ptb-discussion

[signal eagle]

Almost all of them should've hit XD
It makes playing unsafe tiles very safe and even works on windows, not to mention you can make it even faster with resi

I'm just hoping they fix that before live because it'll be absolutely obnoxious

[fleet lagoon]

should fix finesse along with it

[signal eagle]

I mean the finesse thing is intended, I think

And even if it wasn't, the perk makes vaults so safe that I don't think it'd make a meaningful difference, and it has so many conditions to activate that I'd say it's fine

[hallow chasm]

Just please do something about Conviction and Teamwork: Throw Down.

[hollow delta]

has anyone played Amanda aka The Pig on the PTB

Does she feel nice to play

[signal eagle]

I mean a lot better as far as how she feels, but not really a noticeable difference in performance

[hollow delta]

okay good
I'm having fun with her rn on the live server so its good to know she feels better to play

[buoyant vault]

Just thinking of it like the fog stone in 2v8 i am thinking

You throw the stone down and there fog

But it applys to both survivor and killer in range

[fleet lagoon]

the fog is not as disruptive as the crystal unless they also use the iri addon

[dusty edge]

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[clear mauve]

is ptb over?

[trail grove]

the better choice is just making the fog vial a one time use or have it be charge based

[fleet lagoon]

fog vial cooldown is fine when your average match lasts 10 minutes anyways

[trail grove]

the cooldown is legit the biggest problem with it since if you just use it to escape chases then your basically safe for the whole match since it will regen before the killer finds you again

and having what is basically a free "i escaped the chase" button any time you want is bad for both sides

since survivors have even more boring gameplay and killers now gotta watch as every survivor brings fog vials

[dusty edge]

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[raven flume]

every survivor will not bring a vial that shit is annoying and i refuse to use it

ah yes let me completely blind myself for a few seconds

🙈🙈🙈🙈i would rather shove a pen up my ###### #### have ## ### #### #### #####

[fleet lagoon]

you okay?

[green jackal]

bro thinks this is the roblox chat

anyways

DBDTWT want accessibility for fog vial

(wtf genuinely)

[fleet lagoon]

I need a graphics option to disable the fogs to up my performance frfr!! dropped to 2 fps literally every time I uses them!!

[green jackal]

its worse than you think, they suddently turned into Venom from Marvel and said "the fog vial sound makes people ill."

like???

they could say anything but they said the most nonsense thing they could in years

fog vial is made to make people confused and the sound is not that big deal

[raven flume]

I need a graphics option to disable the fogs to up my performance frfr!! dropped to 2 fps literally every time I uses them!!

[fleet lagoon]

just mute the game ez

[green jackal]

"The accessibility ppl are asking for is literally to mute the sound altogether while in the fog vials range. This isn't "let me hear the sound!!!" It's that it's literally disorienting ppl to the point of making them sick."
"Making people confused is fine, making them physically ill is not. Behavior has already stated they're looking into accessibility options for this so moot point now. Keep being ableist ig tho"

tell me how it makes people "physically" bad

[fleet lagoon]

the muffled sound effects you mean?

[green jackal]

yeah

what DBDTWT should be asking: "nerf the fog vial's iri addon because it stacks and my screen is totally white"
what DBDTWT is actually asking rn: "nerf the fog vial's purpose"

[raven flume]

we should allow freddy's blood warden when used on tht character specifically extend to 3 times

[trail grove]

doesnt mean its not gonna be one of the most used items in the game as soon as it comes out, you need to remember that alot of survivors know how navigate the maps so one fog vial near a loop with high walls and that survivor is just gone and boom chase ended without the killer being able to do anything about it, if a full team brings fog vials then the killer basically cant do anything since your never gonna find anyone since its gonna be chase, escape, recharge, repeat due to how fast it recharges. fog vials 100% need nerfs since their busted as hell

[trail grove]

the thing is both of these need to be changed, the vials itself need a nerf and the ire addon. survivors should not have an infinite use item especially one as powerful as a fog vial, look at the fire crackers, that a free flashbang which is already a powerful item and you only get one use while the fog vial is infinite as long as you dont go near the killer for a minute [which is super easy to do] the fog vials biggest problem is that fact that its infinite, if it was one time use then both of these problems wouldnt matter but its the fact its infinite that makes it a problem

[raven flume]

doesnt mean its not gonna be one of the most used items in the game as soon as it comes out, you need to remember that alot of survivors know how navigate the maps so one fog vial near a loop with high walls and that survivor is just gone and boom chase ended without the killer being able to do anything about it, if a full team brings fog vials then the killer basically cant do anything since your never gonna find anyone since its gonna be chase, escape, recharge, repeat due to how fast it recharges. fog vials 100% need nerfs since their busted as helli love men

[trail grove]

... what?

[raven flume]

what DBDTWT should be asking: "nerf the fog vial's iri addon because it stacks and my screen is totally white"
what DBDTWT is actually asking rn: "nerf the fog vial's purpose" :ClownTransformation:

[trail grove]

i dont get it, whats your point here

your just repeating what was said ealier

[raven flume]

"The accessibility ppl are asking for is literally to mute the sound altogether while in the fog vials range. This isn't "let me hear the sound!!!" It's that it's literally disorienting ppl to the point of making them sick."
"Making people confused is fine, making them physically ill is not. Behavior has already stated they're looking into accessibility options for this so moot point now. Keep being ableist ig tho"

tell me how it makes people "physically" bad

[trail grove]

because the disorienting sound makes people feel sick which can cause vomiting

[raven flume]

the cooldown is legit the biggest problem with it since if you just use it to escape chases then your basically safe for the whole match since it will regen before the killer finds you again

[trail grove]

yeah thats my exact problem, no survivor item should be infinite

[raven flume]

For mediums, the effect applies to fast faults too but the reason this is important to note is because you get the safety of a fast vault even with a medium

[trail grove]

are you talking about infinite loops or just vaulting in general since those have two very different answers

[raven flume]

The vault animation is faster than the default one and can stack with resilience, meaning you can have a base vault speed of .8 (as opposed to the usual 1) with last stand and then stack it with resi to have a vault speed of about .65

[trail grove]

well yeah but thats something that requires a survivor to both be good in chase and also doesnt prevent the killer from killing them

while with fog vials a fresh install has a decent chance of using them effectively and getting away with no skill at all

[raven flume]

I mean last stand as far as the stunning goes is fine considering it's once per match, with that kind of limit it doesn't need to be hard to land. My real issue is that the base vault speed is increased by 15% or so once you have the perk charged

[trail grove]

they are changing the default vault speed? ok now i understand why this is a problem, yeah thats 100% gonna break the game aswell

[raven flume]

Hear Ye, Hear Ye — A Royal Call to Fellowship

By the Will of the Crown and in Accordance with the Peace of the Realm,
Let it be proclaimed henceforth that We are in search of companions of sound age and temperate spirit, to join Us in ventures most convivial and light of heart.

Specifically, We do summon citizens of the European lands, who have reached the age of eighteen years or more, and who bear themselves with the noble calm of those unfazed by petty quarrel or needless haste.

Let none come with rancour, nor with fury in their breast—for this is a gathering of the mild, the mirthful, and the mannerly. If thou art chill of demeanour and hearty in spirit, thou shalt find welcome and good cheer amongst Us.

All who see themselves so called are bid to make themselves known without delay.

Issued under Our Hand and Royal Seal,
With good favour and open arms,
Romz, Lord of the West European Kingdoms, First of His Name,
Saviour of the West

[trail grove]

https://tenor.com/view/makima-huh-chainsaw-man-gif-12761577898382982638

[raven flume]

and your main patrollers are now basically worthless due to how fast their banners spawn

[trail grove]

yeah they need to revert clown and knight

bhvr has a intresting habit of giving killers hard nerfs but buffs that look good so that way it makes people defend the changes

[raven flume]

since due to the banner times being sped up it basically means the survivor just needs to loop the guard once then boom its useless

[trail grove]

I know i play knight, the current banner times are already close enough to breaking him but this is just gutting him

[raven flume]

the dual system always felt so stupid since if you just increase the slow from pink then you would just use pink and now pink got nerfed and yellow got mega buffed its the same story but now you only use yellow

[trail grove]

yeah because bhvr doesnt play their game

they just look at statistics, they should do another stream were mathew plays the game on stream

[raven flume]

honestly that could work since pvz zombies can serve multiple functions it would just require alot of redesigning

[trail grove]

??? what does that have to do with what i said

[raven flume]

to put it simply your anti loop is now your main patroller

[trail grove]

yeah exactly

knight was fine where he was before these changes, the call to arms thing is a good change but then they had to ruin it with the banner times

[raven flume]

this is a plan give em a big buff and rip it away, extracts the most negative emotions, feeding bhvr the entitys top dog

[green jackal]

We're not talking about fog vial itself

We're talking about how twitter wants the vial's purpose gone which is made to make killers confused

Muffled audio is not causing problems at all, if the vial is too op idc, but i know the iri addon is ridiculous

The topic - "remove the muffled audio because im mentally dying"

Wooooo people turned into venom except their weakness are not 4000*hz sounds but confusioness

[wicked wraith]

i dont like what they did with jailor!

[green jackal]

They are nerfing knight to the ground

Btw no one asked for these nerfs

Players dont even hate knight anymore

[wicked wraith]

people on twitter celebrating this like it doesnt just encourage sandwiching even more now :/

[raven flume]

knight mains area already known by tunneling and doing BM, this will only make them worse

[slim night]

how do i access the ptb?

[green jackal]

the ptb is over

HOWEVER

[slim night]

how do i know when a ptb starts?

[green jackal]

if in the future they release a new ptb, to access it through steam:
select dbd in the library, go to properties then select betas

[green jackal]

devs announce it through twitter (i think)
tho if its live you can look at the PTB patch notes at forums.bhvr

[slim night]

do they announce it in the server aswell?

[green jackal]

yeah, #dbd-announcements last message aswell

[slim night]

thanks

[plucky gulch]

i’m not sure if this is related, but i seen something about them adding keyboard and mouse support to console soon? is this true or false information?

[weak rock]

This is true, when the ptb releases to the live servers, console will have mouse and keyboard compatibility

[plucky gulch]

OH MY GOD IM SO EXCITED

[lone spoke]

Can you not play the ptb anymore?

[lone spoke]

Ohhh, i thought it would be all the way until it releases

dont mind me yall im talking to ghosts

Cant wait to play as michonne and ricky dicky doo dah grimes

[barren viper]

The PTB has closed and is no longer accessible. The full release will be on July 29th.

[elder grove]

Im getting PISSED at the high-level matches in dbd

its barely playable as killer

you join in, commit to a chase and 3 gens will be done in under 1 minute

and i still win most of the matches

but its because i force myself to keep 3-gening the last generators

protecting them like my life depended on it

its so stressfull, it leaves basically no time to chill

and it cant be fun for survivors either right?

cuz instead of having any personality, im forced to play the game with full sweat if i want to have anything resembling a kill

[blazing venture]

just play the game normally dawg, when you sweat back your inflating your mmr and your jsut gonna get sweatier survivors

its ok to lose some games

[elder grove]

thats kind of my point, by playing the game normally you are destined to lose in under 5 minutes

specially if you end up against a SWF gen rush group

[blazing venture]

thats not what i said but go off

[elder grove]

look, honestly i dont even know how matchmaking is made

or how winning or losing affects it

i barely started playing the game

but idk i shouldnt be forced to throw away games just to get people of my skill level playing against me

i dont even know how i endedup playing against these sweats

consistently

[fleet lagoon]

having a personality?

[hallow chasm]

Maybe gens should take 2 minutes, I don't know.

[signal eagle]

I mean it's a pvp game, as long as people can queue together it'll have people that sweat

Changing balance around the 1% of people that sweat won't fix anything, and will make the game overall worse for everyone else

[elder grove]

yeah, not being a bot

[elder grove]

there really isnt balance if people can just do gens that quickly without basically no backlash

not just a matter of sweat, but a matter of how perks and items can be combined to be kinda gamebreaking

[signal eagle]

There also isn't balance if gens took so long that the killer basically won if people played like a top 1% swf constantly

[elder grove]

but there are other ways to balance that than just making gens take longer

not to mention, making gens take longer doesnt mean an astronomical change

[fleet lagoon]

so... you want to do unnessesary actions that resemble your personality and as a result of that, passively throws your game

[elder grove]

yeah

because sometimes letting survivors get away with goofy stuff could be fun

[fleet lagoon]

well i get it that you want to have some fun moments in the game, but they are not going to assume you to be kind like that you know

[signal eagle]

I mean you haven't mentioned anything at all except "gens go too fast" so like

[fleet lagoon]

need to tighten the leash before releasing you know

[elder grove]

yeah but gens go too fast can obviously have varying reasons

[hallow chasm]

I wonder if they'll change Conviction.

[elder grove]

since gen speed can be altered in-game quite easily by players

[elder grove]

there are a lot of survivors that actually try

one started playing music for me once

but for in the instace the game was tight, so i had to just kill him

[signal eagle]

Yeah, but you haven't once offered a solution, rather just ranted about it

[elder grove]

problems dont need a pre-made solution to be pointed out

specially when im not a dev for dbd

[hallow chasm]

Then stop ranting about it if you're just going to complain, complain, and complain, and offer no ideas on how you would fix it.

[elder grove]

what a stupid way of thinking

im a player, and so are you,

we kinda have the right to complain if we think the game may be getting unfun or unbalanced

because when we buy a game, thats what we expect

[hallow chasm]

But if all you do is complain, then it's annoying.

[elder grove]

no, because fixing the issue is up to the devs

[hallow chasm]

That doesn't mean you can't offer your own ideas.

[elder grove]

for once i would suggest nerfing the pig

and then, yknow, making so that gen speed had a maximum which could not be surpassed

[hallow chasm]

What about Pig needs a nerf?

[elder grove]

similar to how regression speed has a maximum

[elder grove]

wouldnt be a devlog without that

[signal eagle]

It is, however, equally stupid to rant about an issue that doesn't have an easy soltuion, and then be absolutely unconstructive about your criticism because you have absolutely no idea how the issue could possibly be resolved

If you're going to complain about something to this extent when it very obviously doesn't have an easy solution, at least have a concept on how it could be resolved

[elder grove]

no, its not, because recognizing an issue is a great step to make people unite to think of a solution

instead of ignoring it which is peak stupidity

[signal eagle]

Literally everyone has recognized the issue, even the devs, and I promise you that ranting in an unrelated ptb discord chat isn't "bringing attention" in any manner

[elder grove]

then why is this chat even a thing?

[hallow chasm]

"I'm just going to complain all the time and sit back refusing to contribute beyond that while I wait for other people"

[elder grove]

close it up, because discussing anything in ptb isnt realistically gonna bring attention

[signal eagle]

Because of the ptb that ended earlier today?? Like someone clearly can't read, no wonder

[elder grove]

I dont even know what PTB is

i just hadnt realized this wasnt the game-discussions chat

[signal eagle]

Soooo you continued to rant in here to the void of absolutely nobody regardless?

[elder grove]

well, i just noticed it

i have not continued to rant at all

but since we are here

[fleet lagoon]

we need gd2 apparently

[elder grove]

yeah, duhh, im making more than you for not even complaining at it at all

[barren viper]

what are we even arguing about

[elder grove]

gen speed

[barren viper]

ok sure, what about it?

[elder grove]

we are arguing about it, like, if its ok or not

[signal eagle]

I don't even know at this point, someone doesn't like gen speed but won't offer anything but a rant about how much they hate it

[barren viper]

Fair enough

[elder grove]

yeah, they think i need to have an eistein solution to it

[fleet lagoon]

game balance... it started from killer player wants to have a chill game

[barren viper]

I've recently been playing setup killers more like Hag and Trapper (mostly for achievements) and yeah it stings feeling 1 or 2 gens go by while you've hardly had any chase progress

But it's something you kinda just have to get over. i've learned to ignore gencount and basically think of it as either "are gens left, or are the gates open" and change my play accordingly

[signal eagle]

Yeah it's a bit rough, though I equally don't know a good way it could be resolved right now tbh, other than regression perks

[hallow chasm]

Bad idea number 1: Repair speed being slower while injured, but not like Thanatophobia where everyone is repairing slower. It would only apply to the injured Survivor.

[fleet lagoon]

the thing is changing anything universal turns out just makes m1 killers suffers more / S tier killers benefit more

[barren viper]

And this would be horribly imbalanced against, say, Plague

[elder grove]

or legion

[barren viper]

right

[elder grove]

but ig legion could get a buff in that sense

[hallow chasm]

Legion's power falls apart thought if Survivors split up and stay far away from each other.

[elder grove]

exactly

in higher skill matches he gets kinda bad

[barren viper]

correct, but the core counterplay to legion is still generally to not waste time healing unless you need to

[fleet lagoon]

you can nerf gen speed but you need to nerf some of the roster together

[elder grove]

i think thats more of a problem with how op S tier killers are

[hallow chasm]

Nerf high tier Killers?

[elder grove]

like, they are just game-breaking

that being said, i like the idea of making generators have a maximum speed

that way it at least would stop people from bringing a set of toolboxes and gen rushing the entire game with some gen perks

[hallow chasm]

What should be the fastest possible to complete a generator?

[barren viper]

Are you talking max everything?

Perks, toolboxes, etc?

[elder grove]

i dont think for example, a toolbox should be affected by gen perks

[elder grove]

didnt get the question

[fleet lagoon]

because you are balancing the core game mechanics with the consideration of how strong 1 specific killer is, so that they cannot abuse the balance changes, and it's harder to do it if you don't also change the killers

[barren viper]

I was asking ECM if they meant "fastest gen speed" as in, toolbox + hyperfocus + stakeout + prove thself + 4 person stack + fast track blah blah

[hallow chasm]

It's not the toolbox though. If I run Resilience, it only gets added to the gen repair speed that is already being added to by the toolbox.

[elder grove]

ig that sums up the problem

basically insta gen

[barren viper]

mind you that type of setup is extremely impractical

and is really only a "look what goofy thing we can setup in customs"

[elder grove]

yeah, but a dedicated SWF can have someone to keep the killer occupied

and like, 2 people for the gen-rush

[hallow chasm]

If you go all for gen speed and nothing else, you're going to be lackluster in every other area of the game. Healing, running the Killer, going for saves, etc.

[barren viper]

All eggs one basket, yeah

[elder grove]

the best builds are focused for only 1 basket

[hallow chasm]

No.

[elder grove]

specially in swf's

its about having different people for different pourposes

[barren viper]

I can see an argument for 'make one build do something really well' but having the entire team do that build is something I NEVER see

I'm more a fan of using your build to cover your weakpoints anyways

Usually if it's a tryhard SWF, you'll have one with the gen build, one with the chase build, one with the flashlight build...

[elder grove]

yeah

and then what would be the go-to? at least for me

to target the gen guy

[barren viper]

makes sense

[elder grove]

which isnt fun for me, nor the gen guy

[barren viper]

he's the weak link in terms of perk and chase utility

but he kinda took up that mantle when he put on only gen perks lol

a grave of their own making, I say

[elder grove]

but should a game be ok being like this?

[barren viper]

I don't see the problem. A player is putting all of their bonuses into 1 portion of gameplay, resulting in their other portions being weaker.

[elder grove]

yeah but its a hostage situation

where the killer is almost obligated to target them if they really wanna win

[barren viper]

In this example, the gen jockey picked those perks themselves, that's 100% on them. They absolutely could've put on Lithe instead of Prove Thyself

Going for the weak link is smart gameplay in any game

[vapid oyster]

I’m bad with hybrid builds so I usually run with Gen or healing only builds

[barren viper]

In League, you kill the low level enemy jungler to control the map
In Counter Strike, you headshot the guy lowest on their killboard to give you a numbers advantage

[elder grove]

ive heard a guy once say, that the core problem of dbd is that its not meant for communication

because usually yeah, not smart to be a full-on 1 thing build

[signal eagle]

I mean I rarely see games where people sweat to the extent it's an issue with balance and not me just being bad, and even in the rare case where it is something that I'd call unbalanced when stacked, it'd still be bad for the game to have overarching balance changes for what the top 1% of players can do in swfs

[elder grove]

but when you know you will have a dedicated team, its way more assured

[signal eagle]

I can understand the complaint of having a hard time against swfs when you take bad perks, but that still is the nature of pvp games

[barren viper]

True, but that's more just a natural byproduct of being coordinated with your team

[vapid oyster]

Kill the gen rusher cause the others want you to chase them

[fleet lagoon]

you wouldn't know that information, and they could have well just hide until you chase the ones with chase perks

[barren viper]

you can pick up on these things over the course of a game

check who brought the toolbox and flashie. see who is using which exhaustion perks.

[fleet lagoon]

and after they rushed like 4 gens they could come and tank hookstates

[elder grove]

true, but when games are becoming too quick

[signal eagle]

It's pretty easy to find the weak link after just one chase with everyone, and you can usually tell the genjockey by just looking at the item

[vapid oyster]

The gen jockey will be crouching in a bush near the gen. It’s me, the gen jockey I would know 😛

[fleet lagoon]

i guess if you are willing to drop your first hook to go after them

[barren viper]

firsthand report right here

[elder grove]

self-reporting fr

one thing that could be cool

is having comp/casual option

a quick way to direct-off sweats from people who dont wanna sweat that much

[barren viper]

the issue there is, what's stopping me from taking my comp build and mentality to the casual queue to stomp the people trying to relax?

[elder grove]

nothing, but it probably would happen just less

[barren viper]

That would require a good bit of faith in killer players lol

[elder grove]

in all players in general

but i think people usually like an equal-handed challange

[fleet lagoon]

what's stopping bully squads to queue the casual queue to bully?

[elder grove]

again, nothing,

but nothing stops them now from just doing it either way

[barren viper]

people would see the two queues as "easy games or hard games"

and very few people would willingly pick the harder games button

[elder grove]

the ones who would get bored playing the easy one

that 1%

[vapid oyster]

Oh god I’m getting flashbacks of League normal Draft Pick queues

[elder grove]

and bully squads are the proof it kinda works

because they died out on their own

there is a limited ammount of fun one can have by the games being an easy bully piece

[vapid oyster]

I don’t think DBD wants to cater to the comp community they may enjoy it but the game is not meant for it

[signal eagle]

Yeah I don't understand the queue thing, because people would just always play casual unless proper rank incentives were actually added

And yeah, I think the idea competitive dbd is just a mess in general

[elder grove]

they could just make the comp have decent rewards

because normally, dbd rewards are trash

[barren viper]

I don't dislike comp DBD to be clear, I just want to ensure it has SEPARATE space so that people who don't want to play those types of games don't get into them unintentionally

[vapid oyster]

Idk rank reset is always a nice treat

[elder grove]

i dont even know how the anniversary event isnt the standard for bloodpoints

[elder grove]

its like, 1 prestige on a character each month

[signal eagle]

I like comp dbd, I just dislike the idea of it potentially having balance decisions from bhvr themselves because they wouldn't go over well

[barren viper]

You'll have to take my word for it when I say, trust me, feedback from all skill levels is considered.

[vapid oyster]

Idk I quite like the grindy style many games over reward I think DBD actually does quite well

[hallow chasm]

Would it be a bad idea if you cannot crawl out the exit gates?

[elder grove]

i think generally yes, but it should be nice if implemented well

if a killer has downed you in the exit gates, you shouldnt be able to

[signal eagle]

I mean I'm sure it is, but at the same time I just can't see anything comp-related being properly balanced considering how long it takes for the internal process to happen for perks already, and I just don't see it playing out as smoothly as community-ran comp is

[barren viper]

DBD will never be a razor-balanced comp game

That's just the truth of it

Not remotely close

[signal eagle]

I mean that's true, but I just don't see bhvr making decisions without bias of new chaper income, or making balance decisions hastily enough to make for a good competitive enviroment

[elder grove]

my fear is for it to snowball out of comp

when players get faced with harder challanges, they get massively better

that kinda has already happened in dbd over the years,

[fleet lagoon]

the 2v8 gen speed penalty is considerable?

[barren viper]

on the other hand though, I'd also absolutely say that DBD is currently in its best spot ever in terms of overall balance. We have come a LOOOONG way since 0-hook moris and BNPs instantly completing gens.

[fleet lagoon]

could be something to put in 1v4 methinkks

[elder grove]

I kinda agree

i mean, there are something i still dont get, specially as a new player

like how the nurse and the pig are left in the states they are

[hallow chasm]

Nurse, Blight, and Spirit still exist.

[barren viper]

pig is getting major adjustments with the walking dead patch in a couple weeks

[elder grove]

thank god

[hallow chasm]

And Trapper is the main face of DbD while still being the worst Killer in the game still.

[barren viper]

nurse is a difficult topic, yeah

[vapid oyster]

You haven’t met a trapper who traps the middle of goddamn nowhere in coal tower

[elder grove]

trapper and hag can be really op into the hands of a sweat

those placements are wild

[hallow chasm]

I feel the developers use just the stats, just the number for balancing without understanding why the stats are the way they are.

[elder grove]

im absolutely sure of it

for the interviews ive watched they tend to look at overall all-time data

but when a change is made you should look only towards recent data

[vapid oyster]

Well DBD does have the consultant program too

So they have some investments outside of just data

[hallow chasm]

But they don't understand why the data is like that.

They just see Trapper's kill rate as a decent number and say, "Yea, that's acceptable" without understanding why it's like that or the bigger picture behind it.

[elder grove]

just like the flashlights

that were only nerfed in the past because a lead dev was demolished by a bully squad in national television

[hallow chasm]

Trapper's kill rate is only acceptable because he is beginner Killer playing against other beginner players.

[elder grove]

devs rarely play their games, but dbd is a major victim of that

[fleet lagoon]

[hallow chasm]

His add-ons while crippling against a new player, don't do almost anything against an experienced team.

[elder grove]

i think they have been doing a better job

[hallow chasm]

Trapper was simply made for a game that doesn't exist anymore.

[elder grove]

compared to what it used to, but there is room for betterment

[elder grove]

true

[hallow chasm]

It feels like for every 1 Killer buff,

There's like 20 Survivor buffs.

[elder grove]

the major problem about the trapper is that he is a m1 killer

[hallow chasm]

And they haven't nerfed high tier Killers to even the playing field a bit.

[elder grove]

and m1 killers cant afford to lose too much time with their abilities

and trappers abilities take too much time to settle

[hallow chasm]

They can afford to make global changes to help weaker Killers if they're willing to nerf higher tier Killers.

[elder grove]

true

[fleet lagoon]

that's what half the community been saying

why is blight still not nerfed

[elder grove]

buffing mechanics to facilitate m1 killers getting downs would absolutely destroy the balance of higher tier killers

ive heard a theory

that having dbd's strongest killers being consistently non-licensed

[hallow chasm]

For instance, Decisive Strike is a perk devastating to an M1 Killer but not to someone like Blight or Nurse who can catch back up to you immediately.

[elder grove]

is a free-way excuse to say the game isnt p2w

[signal eagle]

I don't disagree, but my point isn't that bad decisions would be made. I moreso just think important balance decisions would take too long to be made, because the process from perks or mechanics being problematic to perks getting changed in the past has been anything from just a few months to years. I would disagree with the idea that bhvr makes bad decisions (for the most part), but at the same time I just can't see a bhvr-ran competitive mode/scene going over too well because the meta would be too stale or consist of problematic things for too long.

[elder grove]

which is an excuse to make licensed killers expensive

[signal eagle]

And again, I also just don't see newly-released content being properly balanced/limited as needed for a competitive enviroment in favor of pushing more sales

[elder grove]

another issue is: imagine killer queues if they had to be split into two gamemodes

[hallow chasm]

A competitive mode for DbD would suck.

[signal eagle]

Yes

[hallow chasm]

And if they tried adding a casual mode, it would also suck.

[elder grove]

in my opinion thats already a thing

[signal eagle]

I mean that's kinda my point, it'd be a cool idea but it has too many issues in practice

[elder grove]

matchmaking takes you there already

u just dont get any better rewards to getting ur ass beaten harder

except yknow, the horrenduous ammount of 1M bloodpoints on the 13th

[hallow chasm]

Maybe they should just release what makes MMR go up or down.

[elder grove]

its probably a complicated ahh math problem

between kill ratios, win ratios, rescue ratios

maybe even match point ratios

and insignias

[signal eagle]

More realistically, they probably don't release it so it's harder to intentionally influence your own mmr. However, we do know for survivors that it's vaguely based on escapes, and for killer that it's vaguely based on kills

[fleet lagoon]

I mean, the current pip system very well tells how much you contributes so unless they're having a seperate measurement to determine your mmr gains and losses

it feels bad when game says you lose mmr with iridescent lightbringer and evader

just because you died

[oak thicket]

any chance PTB is still open for steam ?

[jagged zephyr]

i just checked mine and its gone so 🥲

[oak thicket]

Thanks for the response

[agile sparrow]

When Overwhelming Presence gets reworked, wouldnt it turn Slice of Frank on Pinhead into old Hoarder?

[normal lance]

Are we going to get 2v8 with the patch?

[barren viper]

2v8 returns in mid August per the roadmap

[normal lance]

Ah man, I hope it comes earlier

[hallow chasm]

Will Lights Out ever return?

[native aspen]

We don't know

[slim night]

i have a question about ptb is every killer and survivor unlocked there?

[native aspen]

PTB unlocks new characters for testing, but no, it does not unlock every character that you don't own

[steady ruin]

will they retire rainbow maps? and if so, will we recieve bloodpoints for them and also all the addons which will be removed for maps and keys

[fleet lagoon]

retiring does not refund bps

[steady ruin]

Didn't we get bps back after they retired cypress memento Mori bro what r u on

[idle burrow]

Is the guy with the spiky bat gonna be a skin

I can’t spell his name

[signal eagle]

I think retiring just makes the items you have into whatever the next best rarity is

So rainbow will become whatever the best map there will be is

[hidden dune]

Retiring means the stuff stays in your inventory and is unusable forever

That being said I doubt theyll retire rainbow maps, just make em the best rarity like you said

[willow sleet]

Can’t wait for the p head add on rework

[fleet lagoon]

they ask if there is any compensation for old addons

do you know?

[signal eagle]

Well, there's retiring and there's reworking. This is more like a rework, so while some of the item rarities are getting retired, the items themselves still exist so they'd probably push rarities like they usually do

If it were something like old unusable offerings or mechanics that won't be returning, then yeah those do stick around but remain unusable

[fleet lagoon]

anyways, the devs specifically mentioned they will give a compensation for the yellow mori

not sure if they also compensated for a lot of the old offerings like brown and yellow realm offerings but i guess it's no

nothing specific has been said about retired add-ons

[worn kelp]

is rick's original actor from the show going to do all his own injured grunts whenever the chapter hits live

[drifting canyon]

didnt they just change their rarity?

[hidden dune]

The rainbow map would no longer exist. Theres another map that does, though

[fleet lagoon]

there are in total 4 map rarities after the change though, bloodsense map stays the same, shouldn't rainbow map at least change to one of the new map items

[void needle]

I think so, yes. In the PTB his voice is someone else by means of a placeholder, but for the live release it should be Andrew Lincoln.

[viscid delta]

looking for 1 for customs na dm me

[void needle]

#looking-for-group

[viscid delta]

@void needle lmb

[polar granite]

Can't wait for the new meta 🥲

[river kernel]

What new meta?

[heavy moon]

Why is BHVR making unnecessary changes? I don't get buffing PH because he's already a good killer with a now extremely long power. On top of that they essentially nerfed two already weak killers. The clown change is just going to allow people to now spam the haste bottles instead of the hinder ones which essentially is the same problem that BHVR mentioned before. This is all just so confusing to be releasing a patch that has changes that are mistakes and going to result in it just being reverted.

[native aspen]

Changing PH's addons was a common request for a very long time, as the general opinion was that most addons weren't worth using outside of the range extensions. They've done it before where they adjust basekits to lower the gap between "mandatory" addons and basekit, opening up more options and variety for people who like to play them. It makes him more interesting in the long run, as well as adjusting some other pain points.

It's also called a test build for a reason - they have ideas that they want tested by a wider community and receive feedback from more people. If the feedback is that it doesn't hit the mark, they've shown that they're willing to revert changes and make adjustments accordingly. I'd rather they try something new rather than let things set unchanged.

[spare cedar]

yez

[ember mica]

nah

[dapper saffron]

Ptb

[ember mica]

i liked the old addons much more

actual stat increases

[craggy karma]

old addons were awful, you only realistically took the range ones

[thin ice]

Do you think Trumps latest statements will affect the ptb in the economic factor?

[river kernel]

yw

[willow sleet]

The only good ones were range ones but now he has that base kit in the ptb so his new addons will be fire

[dusty edge]

@raven flume 🚫➡️ Your message content contains flagged text

[supple lynx]

does the ghoul need a nerf?

[crimson jolt]

Yes

[weary merlin]

needs tech fixes

[sonic pewter]

Anyone custom against Nurse? For competitive practice only!

[onyx condor]

Buff my kaneki now

Oh

Did nobody see that

[barren viper]

Please use channels for their intended purpose

[sonic pewter]

Who asked you?

[barren viper]

You did, when you said "anyone" and posted in this public channel

#looking-for-group for LFG posts

[spare cedar]

LOL

[fleet lagoon]

anyone want to 1v1 this humble individual?

[void needle]

of all the roles to be rude to, they had to pick Crew

[raven flume]

pickle Rick?

[glossy zodiac]

this channel is so dead lmao

[rugged needle]

lol

[light meteor]

They need to tweak ricks face a bit but michone and Daryl are spot on

[void needle]

Well yeah, the PTB is over

What were you expecting

[gritty bison]

I definitely think that the fog vial should have 1-2 charges and not be infinite

[proud comet]

dead channel

[hallow jewel]

The map…

[craggy cliff]

d

[frail sand]

I feel like the fog vial gonna get nerfed on release

[tranquil zealot]

I can only hope it will, its just yet another annoying tool people can use

[wraith summit]

skill issue

they need new killers and killer perks to counter it

im surprised there wasnt a zombie type killer for the walking dead release

with sound and visual perks

[tranquil zealot]

Its not the worst. But iy is just yet another tool that people are gonna constantly use. Its really gonna counter spirit players.

[silent musk]

there is a typo in the player survey question 16. watching content creators, says watcing instead of watching

[wanton hare]

What actually is the benefit or use of the fog offerings, they seem so pointless

[tranquil zealot]

The fog offerings can provide like..miniscule amounts of cover, it also sometimes makes certain maps a little harder to see primarily ones with a blueish lighting to them

Fog vial though is a counter to specific killers and a minor hindrance to all killers not the worst but definitely an eye roll

[wanton hare]

Add on? Perk? Offering? What it do

[tranquil zealot]

Fog vials are an item they can bring, Fog offerings increase the Fog or decrease.

Fog is naturally in every trial, Fog Vials work like smoke bombs. They make killers lose line of sight and muffle sounds.

[fleet lagoon]

did you read ptb notes

[wanton hare]

No tbh I’ve not played it and idk how

[fleet lagoon]

there's fog vial new item and key & map rework

[wraith summit]

i didnt even think of that 🥹

[raven flume]

someone’s account got hacked or what

get that shit outta here

[dusty edge]

@jade prawn 🚫➡️ Your message content contains flagged text

[zenith copper]

Which walking dead skin will you all be using?

[iron dust]

Probably michonne hby?

[rich spindle]

What are Rick and michonnes perks

[zenith copper]

Daryl ❤️

Where's the Daryl love ha

[void needle]

https://tenor.com/view/death-stranding-morgan-freeman-morgan-freeman-true-true-morgan-freeman-false-gif-6747578198686333011

day 1 purchase for real

[zenith copper]

For sure!

[spare ibex]

So is that new michonne perk going to work with plot twist?

[stuck jungle]

RIP Franklin

[fierce turtle]

what survivor perks changed

[raven flume]

[vale zephyr]

<@&480465015267262484>

[granite knot]

thanks for the ping!

[loud vessel]

On PTB yes , on live we still don't know , they might make it won't work , but if it's still working just like it was on PTB well rip slugging

[dusty edge]

@slim junco 🚫➡️ Your message content contains flagged text

[livid arrow]

Surprised this channel isn't locked

[valid sail]

Why would it be? Info about the ptb will be passed around anyway

[toxic dirge]

still new, but at least still gonna be active til release day

[vale zephyr]

<@&480465015267262484>

[dusty edge]

@jolly fog 🚫➡️ That user is already banned. You can adjust unban timers with /unban user: ID

[willow sleet]

Is the pig buff good enough she’s worth buying

[meager oracle]

Pig is just fun

[sick vapor]

Pigs fun but not strong idk how her buff is tho

[tranquil zealot]

Im a bit concerned with the "owned" and "unlocked" changes coming to buying characters with cash.

Is it something to genuinely worry over or is it behavior covering their asses if they basically wanna rug pull people?

[signal eagle]

BHVR on their way to suddenly revoke things we own just to sell us more feng skins:

[tranquil zealot]

LMAOOO

[north fiber]

anyone know how i can onto the ptb?

[raven flume]

ptb is over

[north fiber]

ok

[stuck jungle]

im gonna miss franklins demise

it was fun while it lasted

[barren viper]

#game-questions would be the better place to go, this channel is for discussing the recent PTB.

[fierce storm]

Oh my fault, misclicked

[drifting canyon]

theyre just updating things to be in line with general steam policies, nothing effectively changes, theyre just clearing up the language

[tranquil zealot]

Okay good, had me worrying.

[balmy fiber]

<@&480465015267262484>

[dusty edge]

✅➡️ [NO DM] Banned aokijr. with reason compromised account/nsfw invite
(1 ban(s) on record | 4 total logs)

[balmy fiber]

<@&480465015267262484>

[native aspen]

Channel is closed until the next PTB, thank you!

The Walking Dead update is currently slated for July 29th. See you then!

[native aspen]

9.2.0 PTB

Channel has been reopened to discuss the 9.2.0 PTB. Join us today in a few minutes for our Staging event, discussing the PTB!

[raven flume]

Let's go.

[devout obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/dbd-deadbydaylight-nemesis-arrive-nemi-gif-6754835134808418102

[celest hare]

SHE'S GOT SHE'S GOT A WAY

[timid elbow]

Is this just a discussion or is it on YT as well?

[limber tiger]

The ptb preview is only here

[celest hare]

Can't they let you download the ptb like an hour earlier than it's actually open? 💔

[fleet lagoon]

the ptb channel... you've opened it!

[timid elbow]

We came

[undone anvil]

agree

[native aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/hellraiser-pinhead-i-must-be-going-now-leaving-bye-gif-3348130273253642551

[limber tiger]

The ptb channel, you opened it, I came

[toxic dirge]

we need to figure out what ptb stands for

[limber tiger]

We also need to figure out Obama's last name

[celest hare]

Oh my reasoning was that they do the revealing stream an hour before anyway, so leaks shouldn't matter, but they don't talk about the new content so maybe that's why? Idfk lmao

[devout obsidian]

personal travelling bathroom

[limber tiger]

I think that's right

[toxic dirge]

yea thats it

[fleet lagoon]

let me innn

[toxic dirge]

uereka

[undone anvil]

I just dont wanna be having to wait for the download if we could do it while waiting for it to open, feels more efficient but

[celest hare]

Neither, pretty annoying 😔

[raven flume]

SM rework is fine, she finally can chainsaw people now

[ancient narwhal]

game killing patch yay!

[raven flume]

and I have to say, that's is a nice chainsaw, man

[median spruce]

Eyyyy

[fleet lagoon]

a nice what?

[tired burrow]

Say that again..

[raven flume]

chainsaw, man

[fleet lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/denji-gif-14564689118229209765

[celest hare]

Obviously changes will be made yay!

[reef dagger]

Can yall get into the live?

[raven flume]

nope

[tired burrow]

Nope

[sacred surge]

i can't

[raven flume]

not yet

[long slate]

Nope

[reef dagger]

Okie

[granite flax]

is the PTB downloadable now?

[raven flume]

maybe

[ancient narwhal]

in a hr

[reef dagger]

1 hour until ptb launches i think

[sacred surge]

they just tweeted about it

[fleet lagoon]

can join now

[celest hare]

#dbd-announcements message "Sneap" lol

[fleet lagoon]

do you guys know how to hide the voice channel chats for screenshots

[native grove]

please community do sum about myers and anti tunnel rework

[celest hare]

What timezone 11 am? (the stream says it's later than usual, 11 am?)

[vital herald]

Wait i cant download ptb now?

[north ferry]

I have an ebic game theory about the Myers rework
Wanna hear it

[frigid briar]

yooo let's go

[rich nacelle]

Not out yet

[celest hare]

Don't tell me it's not starting in 53 minutes 😐

[gritty flume]

so dark lord got nerfed

[ancient narwhal]

rip myers

[gritty flume]

nice ventilation my guy

[runic anvil]

what this

[rich nacelle]

Tunneling reduction stuff, probably

[celest hare]

Does Myers have a new animation when he activates evil incarnate? Shown in the stream

Or is it a reused old one

[trail perch]

Is the PTB today? (not the preview)

[fleet lagoon]

I just realized we can't slug race anymore after this anti slug patch

everyone is gonna cheat

[sly copper]

You getting blocked from kicking gens for tunneling

[native grove]

yeah in 1 hour im pretttyyy sure

[ionic nexus]

ive never been here for a ptb before, how do we access it when it comes out?

[trail perch]

Thank you kindly. The preview seems... not great. Not a great time to be killer main.

[heady ibex]

It's not

[trail perch]

Right click the Game in Steam and go to Betas, select from the dropdown

[sly copper]

So go on Steam, properties and then you'll see somewhere on the page, beta versions and select from there

[heady ibex]

Just played a game of nem my friends til the end kept going back to someone I already downed and I killed them on 5th hook.

[vital herald]

It will show in 40 mins from now right?

[heady ibex]

Or they were to close to my obsession.

[worldly stag]

[trail perch]

That's what people are saying.

[raven flume]

32 meters?

[heady ibex]

32 bigger than some terror radius

[ionic nexus]

thank you <333

[runic anvil]

killers can see hook states now

[heady ibex]

Wow

[runic anvil]

elusive

[heady ibex]

Going back to the hook bish I'm never leaving the hook.

Better get to how they going to slow down gen rushing if they really want to drag a game out.

[fleet lagoon]

wtf they really just made pop basekit

20% current progress, same effects even it's not even a nerfed version

[heady ibex]

Yeah we need it lol

[gritty flume]

NAHH DONT LET TOP TIER KILLERS HAVE THESE BUFFS

[heady ibex]

Nah let them have it.

[calm wagon]

25 😭😭

[heady ibex]

Wow got 3 gens at 60% I can only pop one oh my

[raven flume]

25% is absolutely wild.

[frigid briar]

THEY DIDN'T LISTEN TO FEEDBACK ON ANTI-TUNNELING LET'S FUCKING GO 6 HOOKS ARE GOING LIVE

ABYSMAL DOGSHIT

[raven flume]

Imagine if you're getting 25% plus using toolboxes and perks such as Prove and Deja Vu.

[heady ibex]

Big changes your fuckin the killers rn

[gritty flume]

W CHANGES EXCEPT NURSE WILL BE GETTING BASEKIT POP BROOOO

[north ferry]

Mfw they didn't
Say this????

[raven axle]

fr

[silent edge]

DRIFTER

[frigid briar]

It's fucking obvious, if they didn't listen to EVERYONE saying this is a terrible idea even BEFORE it went into the PTB - they won't listen after.

[runic anvil]

you do know its just ptb right? live goes in 2 weeks

[fleet lagoon]

i wonder what pop is going to be after the basekit

[runic anvil]

u cant assume its staying

[heady ibex]

Nah what they doing about gen rushing

[dense crown]

or they just want to give us a chance to try it out

[steep wigeon]

Pig and Sadako are dead

[willow kernel]

They just transfer all the players so that they can play on Survs, because Survs have more skins.

[native grove]

every killer below B- is dead

[heady ibex]

If they don't slow down gen rushing then these do nothing to stop how fast game are going but allow survivors to just end game quicker

[frigid briar]

I'm like 99% confident this will go live unchanged, literally everybody knows how awful this is even without playing it and they STILL ignored us

[prime oyster]

Checks out

[loud nova]

could the anti slug/tunneling be just make the recent unhooked survivor be unharmed if they are tunneled for 2 minutes? i think it would work better than all these changes.

[heady ibex]

It's already 4 to 1 mate like come on

[heady ibex]

Until they touch a Gen or do anything to help the team basically making them useless for 2 minutes

[runic musk]

When will be the ptb ready?

[heady ibex]

More buffs for the survivors great

[north ferry]

Yall gotta understand that even if the idea kinda sucks they put work into it and they aren't gonna just
Drop it before people play it
If it doesnt go to live then it's fine
If it goes to live then I see the reason to complain

[willow kernel]

another survs buff, nice surv sided game

[heady ibex]

There a reason you release your plans before you start working on them that's a rookie mistake

Guys we spent a year making this dogshit update give it a try IT LOOKS LIKE ASS SMELLS LIKE ASS ITS PROBABLY ASS!

[north ferry]

You understand that's the point of the player test build though, right?

[heady ibex]

Nah you should legit ask and see what the community thinks first lol. Not make it show it and then test it for the people who said it was bad to see it's bad lol you wasted time.

[serene cargo]

HOW MANY HOURS TILL PTB RELEASES

[arctic light]

Like less than two I think

[heavy compass]

Lowkey excited about some of this, just having changes happen and propel us towards better change will always be good. Rather then nothing happening and things getting stale

[tiny herald]

this shit cannot go through

[idle elm]

its over...

[jolly fog]

26 minutes

[heady ibex]

Need to make smaller changes I would have loved a smaller change that they could work on improving rather than making a huge change that takes longer.

[glacial kayak]

30~ minutes

[sour basin]

???

[distant iris]

whats the devs' time zone?

[hybrid agate]

Some perk changes are unnecessary ngl

[idle elm]

killer's dead

[vernal reef]

revert the update ong ❤️

[rich osprey]

Rest in peace killer role

[jade radish]

25% speed ooooo myyyyyyy goooooood

[dire pike]

we're beyond cooked chat

[hasty sapphire]

So will Hex Ruin still work if someone gets tunneled?

[idle elm]

ring the bells and alert everyone

[heady ibex]

25© aye

[raven flume]

people complaining for everything LOL like why play the game then?

[autumn mirage]

This PTB is the most stupid thing TF, they nerfed BBQ, nerfed pain resonance, eruption and basicly now we get no gen slowdown while they get now genrush

[distant iris]

"11 am" means 25 mintues?

[hybrid agate]

Killers got it bad this update

[glacial kayak]

Its PTB, its being tested

[idle elm]

no

[toxic elm]

Unless you play top 5 killers, just do not even bother playing that role anymore lmao

[raven flume]

yes

[jolly fog]

I believe ET

[tiny herald]

there are some changes which shouldnt make ptb

[gusty socket]

Sadakos cooked

[valid musk]

absolute garbage patch oh my

[dense crown]

what abt survivors who all wear the same cosmetics

[heady ibex]

Mate imma be a survivor main here soon

[lament berry]

25% i say is just too much pippip

[fossil briar]

the antitunnel punishments seem to punish low tier killers + killers with a non hookstate kill mechanic a lot harsher

[weak hedge]

I'm genuinely excited for the update. i dont tunnel or slug, so the killer gets a lot of good basekit stuff and its new player friendly.

[silent ravine]

ptb aint even started yet and everyone is crying lmaooo theyre making the game harder cuz its skill based

[vernal reef]

REVERT THE UPDATE

[proven cradle]

is Oni gutted now?

[autumn mirage]

Well then now lets make it so that survivors cant body block, sabo, blind with flaslight or recover from slugging if you dont like it then why play the game then?

[gleaming wave]

💀 people are self reporting how much they rely on goofy tactics

[arctic light]

Lowkey just reading most of it is weird but most of it is more like: “I have to see it in play in order to make judgement.” Yk? And also just remember guys, this is just a PTB, some of this stuff may or may not go through, so make yalls opinion nice and loud during the PTB runtime

[idle elm]

i play legion and it kinda benefits its playstyle, but the thing is the update just plainly narrows the playstyle of killers down to a very little percentage compared to what we have rn

[silent ravine]

🔥

[hybrid agate]

Killer is gonna be so unplayable omg

[heady ibex]

Right I slug sometimes cause they sabo a hook and the other one is to far

[whole viper]

how do u access ptb gang?

[heady ibex]

Now I get punished for it

[raven flume]

im not the one complaining pookie ❤️ i just play the game

[north ferry]

My face when I can't rely on the same strats to win and I have to try something new
"DEAD GAME AAAHHHH"

[gleaming wave]

Check the steam reviews and everyone has like 100-500 hours git gud then complain

[glacial kayak]

On steam, you change which version you launch

[silent ravine]

its steam only, u can download it in properites

[rich osprey]

yeah youve never played killer before have you

[valid musk]

i got a question, what did yall smoke? Crack?

[whole viper]

thanks

[gleaming wave]

I play killer 50/50 lol

[heady ibex]

Winning tactics

[silent ravine]

have to wait til 11 tho so like 24 mins

[gleaming wave]

and I've been playing this game since 2017

[proven cradle]

not out yet
only available on steam
go to the dbd page
click gear icon
properties
betas
beta participation
select the PTB

[north ferry]

Genuinely toddler behavior

[autumn mirage]

"skill based" remind me where are the things requiring skills for survivors now? oh look they get infinite unbreakable if they feel like doing sabo, oh look now they can purposely abuse the anti tunnel to get 25% infinite repair and i cant regress gen and oh look now any death hook survivor can be a no risk body block or you get punish

[rich osprey]

50 minutes/50 minutes

[gleaming wave]

I wish I didn't have 1200 hours but here we are

[weak hedge]

the game need changed up some, genuinely. every one has whined about something, the killer USE to have mori off first hook i think it should go live and they can balance it out that way shift the meta and change it to help new people.

[silent ravine]

ur talking to a wall

[heady ibex]

25% Gen repair what the fuck

[jade radish]

good luck to fair play vs discord parties bro

[autumn mirage]

100% can no longer snowball and now any time you do any small snowball they build up infinite unbreakable so on mid/end game your power is useless

[heady ibex]

Tell me your lying bro

[whole viper]

that was fucking cray cray tbh

[hasty sapphire]

I think completly changing BBQ Chili is a bad move, should've made the top tier just closer range instead. Basekit being 40m on small maps is not gonna work well

[gleaming wave]

except I can handle an L every once in a while

[heady ibex]

Oh my god we are fucked

[hybrid agate]

This chapter is a hit or miss 💔😭

[tidal harbor]

how do you download the ptb? ive never done it before

[raven flume]

copium

[autumn mirage]

literally, if you wanna nerf slugging then why tf not nerf sabo, flashbang undodgable on lockers or body blocking hook?

[gleaming wave]

google steam beta

[proven cradle]

it would've been balanced imo if he got his full power when hooking a survivor, so he can down, hook, go down, hook, repeat the process

[whole viper]

tbh the 20% kick wasnt needed

[silent ravine]

it comes out in 22 mins, u just go to ur steam game properties, beta, and download ptb

[autumn mirage]

because you are not the one being gutted 💜

[tidal harbor]

i appreciate it tysm

[heady ibex]

They nerfed some of those but like my god not enough

[gleaming wave]

How many hours do you have

[raven flume]

killer mains when they dont get what they want

[fathom bane]

BBQ is essentially basekit now. It would be useless in its current state

[arctic light]

Anyone thinks that the anti tunnel can be abused by survivors just doing matching characters and cosmetics?

[weak hedge]

on steam, click the cog wheel when you're about to click play on DBD, then "properties" then "update/beta" and it should be there. but it's not live yet.

[tidal harbor]

will the new killer/survivor be in the ptb?

[vernal reef]

just remove the killer role altogether

[hybrid agate]

If your on steam click on the games properties and download the ptb when it’s available

[silent ravine]

yall are just showing how u dont play both roles

[heady ibex]

It can easily be abused.

[rich osprey]

100%

[dapper swallow]

Give survivors a sword at this point

[heady ibex]

Mobile killers only people

[dense crown]

new killer stuff?

[tidal harbor]

and a rocket launcher

[silent ravine]

i think so

[desert crown]

it did have a clear hud icon of who you hooked last

[arctic light]

And to make it worse they probably just turn their name off and have all the characters names lol

[autumn mirage]

yep, 25% infinite gen repair if you kill anyone before getting 6 hooks and our reward? 20% base pop (you cant even regress if they sacrifice someone), 10% haste for 10 seconds (only helps mobility killers), they nerfed pain resonance, nerfed BBQ, eruption is no 5%, etc

[desert crown]

so no skin stacking abuse

[proven cradle]

whats the bonuses you get for not tunneling?

[idle elm]

i am a part of this "new people" (ive been playing for a month or so) and honestly even tho this wont change anything for me it's unhealthy for the game and both survivor mains and killer mains should be against this to ensure the game's state doesnt get worse. right now im seeing too many survivor mains supporting this just because it benefits them and when the update goes through as one of the most terrible updates ever and they go forward with this idea from this point on, it'll be because of people supporting the devs on objectively unhealthy changes

[fathom bane]

Killers can now be given individual bonuses for unique hook rewards:

[visual meadow]

Tunneling off hookprevention should have a set timer, like a minute or so?

[autumn mirage]

nah bro you dont get it, you must NOT kill as a kiler 🥀 is just too toxic

[silent ravine]

bbq is base kit cornball

[dense crown]

yeah i was wondering how you counter this

[weak hedge]

you can tell killer mains who tunnel and slug

[sullen crypt]

this is going to be funky

[gleaming wave]

20% pop goes the weasel, 10% haste for 10 seconds, and basekit bbq with some conditions

[heady ibex]

Who cares what it has if they the one I found I can't go after them

[autumn mirage]

a downgrade bbq

[solemn sequoia]

NieR in DBD when

[hallow turret]

10% haste, 20% gen regression on kick, bbq

[hybrid agate]

And? It can be avoided. Are you slow?

[silent ravine]

🔥

[fathom bane]

20% current regression on the next gen kick.
10% haste for 15 seconds.
7 second reveal on all survivors with equal or less hook states to the last hooked person

[proven cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-worthless-gravity-falls-dipper-pines-worthless-gif-25136060

[heady ibex]

Indeed they can this some dogshit

[stiff sleet]

nerf pig

[gleaming wave]

Then run iron maiden?

[native marsh]

I wish we could find out what happens if survivors just sacrifice one of there own to get buffs if we still will be punished as killers

[glacial brook]

"We didn't touch scratched mirror its iconic"
removes tombstone from the game

[brave hound]

onryo is even more in the gutter, no more condemn lol or no regression and 25% gen speed increase

[frigid briar]

We are VERY upset that nobody heard our feedback EVEN BEFORE the PTB dropped - all of us know how broken the anti-slugging and anti-tunneling will be, and NOBODY heard us

[arctic light]

Unless someone showed what it looks like, I haven’t seen anything on what it looks like so correct me if I’m wrong. But I assumed that the UI would be idk, showing the characters face of the last hooked person, if that was the case, then it would be useless if it’s all four players are just the same character

[silent ravine]

ur guys stupidity makes me giggle

[autumn mirage]

Honestly not even worth it, if all they wanna face is blight, nurse and ghoul then is what they will get

[snow zenith]

didn't need to touch hope ngl

[heady ibex]

So I just sit in a corner and go afk ok got it.

[desert crown]

yeah, it just means that you can freely choose to shoot yourself in the foot without confusion 💀

[cerulean granite]

i feel deerstalker is a bit much. my entire build is aura reveal and now i have no reason to run it if i get punished just for running aura reading

[hybrid agate]

Shouldn’t have to run a perk when the devs can fix aura reads

[left token]

this is going to be really fun on sadako. hook, tp to the next survivor and zoom after them

[hallow turret]

tombstone is boring and bad game design

[hybrid agate]

It’s a hit or miss with bbq period

[frozen quiver]

Survivors have PLENTY of Anti Tunnel Perks like isn’t that enough

[supple swallow]

when will be gameplay of the new killer? and perks

[heady ibex]

Like oh my look at this a survivor me the killer can't kill this one nope

[void delta]

just nuke the tunneling changes and nerfing pain res dms etc? WHATTTTTTTTTT

[raven flume]

tombstone is boring, even for the killer

[vernal reef]

GIVE SURVIVORS A BAZOOKA!!!

[proven cradle]

fun and sadako in the same sentance when talking about the PTB

[hybrid agate]

In a few minutes

[untold igloo]

whats everyones opinion on pain res and dms nerf?

[gleaming wave]

Killers when they have to make a new build instead of pain res, grim, corrupt, bbq

[lethal trail]

No they didnt remove tombstone completely i think you can get tombestonenwith tuft of hair

[silent ravine]

can we talk about how cool krasue is gonna be tho <3

[rough plaza]

as if the killer wont still tunnel?

[supple swallow]

oh ok thx

[worthy canopy]

is the pig traps, devour hope etc considered tunnelling?

[hybrid agate]

Shi is unnecessary

[lofty glen]

bro no sneak peak? lmfao

[heady ibex]

Most don't run that stuff the fuck you on

[slim night]

WHERE WAS THE NEW KILLER REVEAL?

[prisma latch]

I want to know the answers to these too

[lofty glen]

scammm

[vernal reef]

yep pyramid head cages asw

[deft crag]

why didnt we see the new killer

[silent sapphire]

Its on their twitter and insta

[hollow wyvern]

The nerf to bonuses for high tiers seems a bit half-baked. I think that just as we have standardized terror radius tiers, and move speed tiers, there should be hook bonus tiers. Killers could be bumped up or down a tier for under or over-performing

[idle elm]

pain res was good all around, i think it was deserved (i entirely play killer)

[gloomy steppe]

survivors when they have to actually think for once

[obsidian dagger]

true tunneling is about as common as no mither bro </3

[dusk moth]

there is a bug in the ptb where lockers arent a killer item for the dredge to help with his map and rng reliance. hopefully this is fixed before it hits live. this has been a recurring bug since the dredges release (3 years)

[glacial kayak]

It was in vc

[frozen quiver]

Basically how often happens that to you?

[silent ravine]

i think the only issue would be if the trap explodes im not sure

[small marlin]

ptb stream with no mention of the killer is INSANE

[celest hare]

@vestal flame "PTB 9.2.0 Patch Notes Sneap Peek Discord stage is NOW", "Sneap" 😭

[uneven bough]

What if the same surviour keeps running to you trying to be friendly?

[vale aurora]

Tenacity should not be basekit, increase slug timer to 180 seconds.

[untold igloo]

yeah makes sense

[autumn mirage]

not really, only works on survivors with equal or less hooks so basicly now the death hook person is the strongest survivor on team inmune, can take forever body blocks, you cant slug them or they get infinite unbreakable and can safely trade on hook for a save

[zinc nebula]

Is ptb on i dont understand

[woven spruce]

They never show new stuff like that in sneak peak

[silent ravine]

theyre just teasing they want everything to be a surprise

[weary jackal]

They should change hair bow's 20% stalk speed debuff to not apply after entering evil incarnate at least once, to emulate the original addon better. 20% for the whole game is wack.

[rough plaza]

not saying js for me, but for anyone who plays

[untold igloo]

is dms still worth running with pain res?

[vernal reef]

xx:00 i believe

[delicate remnant]

Did anyone see anything about what happens if you mori with devour hope?

[steel portal]

18 minutes

[balmy ice]

so where's the PTB preview

[lethal trail]

I ignore them tkl I am ready to kill them if im not in a friendly mood

[obsidian dagger]

make it reset and problem is solved, slugging timer being additive is just... dumb

[silent ravine]

17 mins

[raven flume]

will i need to buy krasue during ptb~?

[heady ibex]

Going to happen alot more knowing they got immunity and can give fallout to their team

[sturdy pilot]

MAKE PTB NOT ONLY ON STEAMMMMMMMMMMMM

[void delta]

no

[untold idol]

This boutta be the worst ptb in dbd history 😭

[vernal reef]

it still triggers the thing

[cobalt tendon]

They comented something about Sadako?

[gloomy steppe]

idk they made it sound like they’re on and then yapped on about some feedback

[left token]

ye? shes not the best at tunneling anyways, and early condem kills require an ass enemy team so i see this as a buff
especially since they told us survivors not being rescued doesnt trigger anti tunneling, so my guess is condemn probably doesnt either

[zinc nebula]

Thanks friend it will be my first ptb

[delicate remnant]

Thats munted as fuck

[glacial kayak]

In 18 minutes PTB releases, they did a small vc showcasing the changes before hand, as a sneak peak

[worthy canopy]

i mean that doesn't really make sense imo i understand dying on hook but other stuff should be punishing survivors for not doing exact tasks cleansing etc

[toxic elm]

doing a ptb stream without talking about the new content was definitely a choice

[prisma latch]

They'll be "keeping an eye on her and other killers"

[regal bloom]

how does te ptb work now? are we fonna play a tester before they they realise it?,

[next notch]

im pretty sure not because they usually give out free auric cells so you can test out stuff

[weary jackal]

Pretty much no lmfao

[tidal harbor]

is anyone sure abt if the killer will be in the ptb

[pliant flame]

-in regards to the 6hook penalty, "if you are left on the hook and die, it wont do anything, its only the ACTION of hooking a survivor" does that mean sadako condemned kills/amanda beatrap kills dont trigger the penalty? if thats the case then idrc about it

[silk oyster]

Eruption is dead now

[hollow wyvern]

They'll be "keeping an eye on her" 😫

[cerulean granite]

i feel like the slugging stuff is a bit much. i feel like you should just be able to recover while crawling. everything else feels like a bit much

[autumn mirage]

if you heal under hook, run towards killer to take a protect hit using the endurance from being unhook, stay on the open injured while everyone else hides, etc then dont complain of being tunneled

[idle elm]

anyways enough seething , cya guys on the next update where every bottom of the barrel killer has 0.3% play rate except legion

[old tartan]

How strong do y'all think The Krasue will be in game

[sturdy pilot]

hey brother will you invite me to your steam family please

[calm wagon]

they said September 3rd but who knows atp

[hybrid agate]

Yeah it’s gonna be in this ptb

[silent sapphire]

This will be my first time playing a ptb cause this is actually insane

[obsidian dagger]

sadako gets fucked for playing the game!!

[astral herald]

TO ALL THE SURVIVOR MAINS SAYING JUST DONT TUNNEL:
what if its say a trapper and someone whos been hooked steps in a trap, whats he meant to do, not hook them? or else if he does he'll get punished for a survivor playing bad. what about sadako condemned? too many factors for you idiot survivor mains to use your brains and think. please someone argue against this

[silk oyster]

ERUPTION IS DEAD ITS DEAD

[pallid mango]

The slugging change should not be additive

The Killer hook Haste is not impactful enough to really matter

The fact that Survivors can be rewarded for either sandbagging a teammate or for having one play super aggro is absolutely ridiculous

[uneven bough]

Exactly im all i for being friendly some games but if there being idiots then they wanna be friendly after ive hooked em it pisses me off

[arctic light]

Feels like some of these changes are good, but the way it could possibly been implemented is weird/not really great. One of the changes I don’t get is the delayed unhook notification. How is one as killer supposed to pressure on the team and prevent them from healing and keeping everyone injured???

[vale fulcrum]

Finally killer is dead

[vernal reef]

eruption and bbq are done for

[sturdy pilot]

will u join my steam family plz

[next notch]

I would say A tier but we don't even know the powers yet

[fathom bane]

.... if you have devour hope and mori them that way, it can't trigger the thing, as you have reached the requirement to ignore it

[frozen quiver]

if 4 survs have d-strike against a trapper u already can’t tunnel u will lose gens too fast

[warped jasper]

25% GEN REPAIR SPEED IS WAY TO MUCH, 3 SURVIVORS ON ONE GEN IS 75% REPAIR SPEED AND CAN EASILY FORCE THE KILLER TO LOSE THE GAME

[heady hedge]

They never give a sneak peak of killers powers.... it will release in 15 minutes and you can check it out

[rough plaza]

clearly you dont play survivor enough, because there are people who dont play like that yet the killer will still tunnel them for no exact reason

[vale fulcrum]

Trolling

[hybrid agate]

Survivor mains jumping for joy bc they can’t get punished for bullying killers 😭😭

[next notch]

devour hope triggers at 5 hooks so theres still 1 hook left before the penalties kick in

[unique torrent]

wait so the tunneling and slugging update is out td or just everything plus new killer is just in the ptb today?

[fathom bane]

If 3 survivors are on one gen with 3 survivors alive, you are doing something wrong

[tribal spire]

i dont think were getting krasue

[old tartan]

Honestly I just hope it's fun to play as like Springtrap is for me

[pliant flame]

jeff said "Only the action of hooking a survivor triggers the penalty." which makes me think sadako is gonna be fine? we'll see

[hardy hornet]

They said if a survivor dies on hook purposesly the negative effects don't happen to the killer

[vernal reef]

devour hope is 5 hook stages?

[worthy canopy]

moris shouldn't count as tunnelling except if its a mori from the offering :(

[hollow wyvern]

Devour only needs 5 unhooks

[regal bloom]

HOW DO YOU PLAY IN PTB?

[silent sapphire]

It says kills and sacrifice in the post they made last week... so I'm pretty sure mori/non sacrifice deaths also count

[burnt dust]

They don't give a fck dude, no one. Just accept this game is surv sided now

[silk oyster]

THEY RUINED LEVERAGE AND THE PERK WASNT EVEN THAT GOOD

[gloomy steppe]

there’s been so many games ive seen them do everything to keep their teammates alive including body blocking, flashlight, some other game breaking stuff, 0 punishment

[silent ravine]

the thing that worries me about his update is the situational things </3

[sturdy pilot]

CAN ANYONE JOIN MY STEAM FAMILY I WANNA PLAY PTB PLZZZ

[old tartan]

Good.

[idle elm]

i agree hard on this. i mainly play legion so slugging nor tunneling doesnt affect me but this update will narrow the playstyle and available choices for killers and it will be unhealthy for the game

[glacial kayak]

In steam, change the properties i believe

[silk oyster]

BUFF DMS AGAIN NOO

[fallen fern]

That's the point, if you tunnel someone out, you are ensuring your loss, it's a means to ensure tunneling doesn't happen.

[vestal idol]

So what stops survivors from letting another die early to win matches easier ?

[silent sapphire]

Why

[pliant flame]

i guess we'll see in 15 minutes but if its the case then it sucks

[vernal reef]

nothing!

[sturdy pilot]

so i can play ptb

[astral herald]

thank you, someone with a brain

[tribal spire]

nothing system will be bused

[silk oyster]

if they die on hook nothing happens

[peak saddle]

gang, they said the benefits and penalties only kick in for a death hook. meaning if a survivor dies from sadako condemned or PH chop it won’t trigger

[obsidian dagger]

hopefully? it might be terrible wording but they specifically said "is hooked OR killed before 6 hook states", meaning they thought about moris and still let it apply

[pliant flame]

if they die from being left on the hook it doesnt trigger, youre just meant to not hook someone trying to be a sacrificial lamb

[gloomy steppe]

when are we gonna stop holding the hands of survivor mains/beginners when everyone is just going to abuse the system

[worthy canopy]

rip tombstone myers though 💔

[next notch]

gen speed gets halved the more survivors are on a gen thats probably going to be like 40% ish repair speed or less if you have 3 ppl on it

[fathom bane]

Dying from the second state on hook (and not being unhooked) doesn't trigger the effectz

[novel edge]

I love when I am playing killer in the killing game and I have to close my eyes, turn around, and count to 10 to make sure the everyone has a chance to run away and hide! I wouldn't want to try too hard to kill and win the game!

[autumn mirage]

"for no exact reason" me when i have to choose beetwen hooking people with 0-1 hooks fully heaed or someone on 2 hooks injured i found 😭

[heady ibex]

I'm never friendly mate

[arctic light]

There’s too many ways it seems survivors could abuse these new changes, but then again we won’t know how it really is until the PTB drops

[silent sapphire]

If shes anything like twins then prob ass. Most experimental killers end up being pretty bad.... but hopefully she'll be playable atleast lol

[half breach]

Im sorry, but i actually dont know. Where exactly i should go to see all of what youre talking about? I want to read it too

[hollow wyvern]

Low tiers should get better bonuses, just as high tiers get nerfed bonuses. I want ghostface to get 20% haste on fresh hook.

[pliant flame]

they mightve been referring to the Momento Mori offerings though so... We'll see! We'll see! Oh God We'll see!

[uneven bough]

Fair

[obsidian dagger]

we're gonna be forced to actively ignore stupid survivors

[peak saddle]

they just had a live stream , patch notes will be out soon

[silk oyster]

RIP ERUPTION RIP LEVERAGE

[warped jasper]

except tunneling is a strategy, and this just completely removes the strategy as a whole

[gloomy steppe]

ONG

[ashen gale]

Yes

[heady ibex]

We straight business out here

[fathom bane]

They said with the new systems, they can think about doing this - giving each individual killer seperate bonuses

[pliant flame]

this is hilarious right. punished for killing int he kill people game

[astral herald]

love how no survivor mains are arguing against this

[silent ravine]

so it wouldnt trigger if pig trap explodes right?

[frozen quiver]

nerf d-strike

[autumn mirage]

it was on the live they just did on here, is over try seeing people who got SS of the perk changes but the rest was said by voice

[vernal reef]

nah EVERY kill counts except if they die on hook

[sly cliff]

leverage was never good

[left token]

having one survivor be dead is a 25 to 100% slowdown, depending on how aggressive the killer plays. 25% gen speed just means killing a survivor and not being able to pressure doesnt give you a slowdown anymore

[rocky raptor]

Hello, anyone can try ptb, and if yes, how?

[pliant flame]

source?

[rough plaza]

you're saying that as if killers wont sit and watch you from a window, watch you unhook and target the unhooked survivor

[lean cedar]

.

[gloomy steppe]

yes lmfao that’s the point here and it’s 100% convinced that people just don’t play killer ever

[hybrid agate]

Don’t forget we can’t down toxic survivors/bully squads

[half breach]

Thank you

[silk oyster]

exactly

[idle elm]

agreed, lotta survivor mains and killer mains showing their true selves in the chat with what they think about the update lol

[vernal reef]

they said this on the ptb stage

[silent sapphire]

Yeah, the way they were talking in the preview it does sound like it will count. Which is such a stupid thing. The whole concept is stupid, but I hope that at the very least if it goes live (god forbid) they dont count sadako and similar kills:/

[peak saddle]

based on their wording i don’t think so. but we don’t even know until the PTB

[weary jackal]

I'll say it again, having killers playing by a rulebook is what killed VHS

Tunneling and slugging are necessary evils

[autumn mirage]

"only on death hook" = when they die

[south quiver]

how are we supposed to play as the spirit if we cant hear the grunts, or see claw marks? or did i hear wrong

[frigid briar]

A SWF SACRIFICES ONE GUY ON FIRST HOOK?
LITERALLY ENCOURAGED TO BULLY STACK???
ALL IS FINE, BUT GOD FORBID THE KILLER KILLS

[gleaming wave]

I think the gen blocking part is unneeded and the 6 hook stage thing should be brought down to 5. Essentially if you don't sandwich someones death with other hooks you should be penalized.

[old tartan]

PTB is in ~13 mins right

[fathom bane]

^
The update is seemingly fairly well balanced so far.

[silk oyster]

leverage was never a good perk and now its completely ruined

[vestal idol]

ok so there's a system in place to prevent trolling, that's good at least

[idle elm]

nope you heard right

[frozen quiver]

no they don’t care about spirit sorry

[gleaming wave]

Literally not how it works 💀 '

[next notch]

elusive status is for the survivor that just got unhooked (to prevent tunnel)

[silk oyster]

yes

[fallen fern]

a strategy that makes it so someone is unable to play the game? it's a strategy that's needed to be removed for years, and I'm glad they're finally fixing it

[obsidian dagger]

what species are you

[vernal reef]

the people defending the update have clearly never played killer ong

[gloomy steppe]

nothing in this update was 50/50 fairness every popular dbd streamer ive seen has said this update is the most worst BHVR has ever put out

[finite fiber]

If someone is left on hook it doesn’t hurt the killer.

[hollow wyvern]

I'd rather the bonuses have standardized tiers for simplicity. High, mid, low. And you can see what level a killer has for it in their info tab. It would also make it easier to tweak an under or over-performing killer by bumping them up or down.

[left token]

ig they should remove afk crows to not punish people for hiding and surviving as the survivor role

[silent ravine]

thanks!

[fathom bane]

"If a survivor dies from hook bleedout, the anti-tunnel effects do not trigger"

[silk oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/bro-just-typing-shit-bro-just-typing-shit-gif-18336060238854257551

[peak saddle]

no, it means putting them on the hook when they’ve been hooked twice. they said explicitly that it only happened when the killer did a hook action. if they die some other way it shouldn’t count

[frigid briar]

Can't read between the lines award

[worthy canopy]

at least after someone is unhooked they cant take a protection hit for the unhooker

[dapper saffron]

Unintuitive mechanical bloat is not good design

[autumn mirage]

not even that, they can just heal under hook and now take 2 protective hits for 0 risk since you cant hook them, any protective hit perk now will be meta

[primal whale]

this community has always been horrible and they’re driving the nail further between sides with this😭

[limber tiger]

Killer has to hook action someone to have the penalty
Killing a teammate intentionally does nothing

[true quiver]

when ptb?

[pliant flame]

KC live reaction to everything but 6hook penalty:
-unknown QOL changes are good
-dark lord change is good and balanced
-myers changes are good, even the "dash", because its not a dash its just a long lunge
-"for those of you who love old myers, the Fragrant Tuft Of Hair addon removes your lunge and gives you back your exposed, so its just old myers" thats awesome
-slug changes are still Like Ugh, i still think its a little weird and gay but i dont think i even care that much, the speed incrfease is MINIMAL anyway
-about the changes in general "i saw lots of people think its a little bloated and complicated, its really intuitive when you really get into the game though, i worried about that too."
-the changes for when you get unhooked are good, extra stealth and speed is nice and you cant bodyblock annoyingly either
-killer can see how many hookstates each survivor has via hud, awesome!
-most recent hook visible on hud, awesome!
-hook status obscured is gross and bad, it stays hidden for 10 seconds after unhook - theyre trying to disincentivize going back to hook when someones unhooked but i think thats Lame pershonaley but whatever
-"unique hook" bonus' im not complaining about, i dont REALLY care and i wouldnt impliment it personally but i dont actually care, its nice to have a good reason to rotate hooks anyway
-surv with less or equal hook states, outside of 40m of your most recent hook get their aura shown, thats OK i guess
-The Dash Killers (ghoul, nurse, billy, blight, etc) dont get the bonuses
-why arent we allowed to aura read slugs anymore. like at all

TLDR: mostly good and fine

[toxic dirge]

lets be patient and focus please. this is a PUBLIC TEST BUILD

[limber tiger]

V soon

[modest tree]

There needs to be an indicator above the survivor not just on their portrait if youve hooked them or not cause going again a swf group all rocking the same charms and outfit will be bs

[gleaming wave]

If they kill themselves on hook they don't get the bonus and are now down a player...

[fair lotus]

T minus 13 mins friends we will see soon!

[frigid briar]

Sure fkin HOPE that's gonna work

[frozen quiver]

2/10 rage bait

[pliant flame]

12 minutes

[true quiver]

thx

[vernal reef]

you have to get an extra hook before u can even use devour hope btw lmfao

[weary jackal]

What's frying me is all the basekit perks that killers got this update does nothing for the large majority of the killer roster

[south quiver]

so youd be able to see claw marks and what not when the survivors werent hooked when you hit them once or do we not know?

[sly cliff]

12 mins later

[silent ravine]

theyre bound to make changes before the actual update which is gonna be a few weeks away, this is just a TEST!!! theres nothing wrong with testing out new things in a game

[toxic dirge]

basekit bbq is universally useful

[fleet lagoon]

not really cuz you just start moring anyone you see

[worthy canopy]

💀

[hybrid agate]

Pain res is at 12% I can’t 😭😭 us killers can’t have shi quite literally

[left token]

a coordinated swf is 100% gonna get more value out of the 4th person being alive and productive
also, not rescuing someone doesnt even trigger the tunneling changes anyways

[autumn mirage]

if i am 2 gens away from escape gates with 0 kills and barely hooks i will get a kill why should i have to spread hooks just to loose on that situatin?

[idle elm]

yes, it is by far one of the most unhealthy updates ive ever seen a game get. it narrows the playstyle and the available choices (that work obviously) for killers so much that i can count 25 killers from the top of my head that will be absolutely useless after the update

[obsidian dagger]

they ignored talking about Krasue SO hard, wtf was up with that?

[weary jackal]

That is about the only one yeah

[vernal reef]

if you mori a person with 5 hooks youre cooked gang

[ancient narwhal]

facts, basekit bbq does nothing for low tier killers nor does the 15% haste for unique hooks