gameplay-tips

[flint aurora]

i legit am so stuck in c1 its not funny

[unique veldt]

and that's okay 😁

[pine garnet]

he should learn how to adapt in shitty lobbies if he ever wants to get out

[flint aurora]

i played 14 games, won 7 lost 7

[real minnow]

oh

I just played like 10 and lost 9 and won 1

[flint aurora]

I spent longer in silver than diamond lmao

Silver fucked my ass so bad

C1 div 2

[fair warren]

That’s what i am saying

[unique veldt]

i spent longer in diamond than plat lmao

[real minnow]

my team8s are monkeys (boosted diamonds)

[flint aurora]

Peak c2 div 1 but it was a lucky session that day

[real minnow]

I agree w this

I feel like I was in diamond longer than champ ngl

[flint aurora]

I spent like 200 hours in silver because I was playing on 150 ping constantly

After upgrading internet I starting rising

[real minnow]

but I’m back in champ cause rank reset 🫶🫶🫶

[flint aurora]

Diamond went by the quickest

[pine garnet]

what servers you play on?

[real minnow]

use

[fair warren]

Ima go now guys

[flint aurora]

I was in champ then rank reset to diamond then i climbed back up to champ in a session. Got kinda lucky

[real minnow]

😭😭

[fair warren]

Cyall

[unique veldt]

my peak was c1 div 2, but be cause of this season's reset, i was placed in d3 div 1; thus i had to literally get better at the game to get back in champ

[real minnow]

not my teammates.

[flint aurora]

I'm c1 and can air dribble but if you asked me to do a 45 degree flick I would log out

[pine garnet]

not true xD

[flint aurora]

45 degree flick is so tough to figure out on kbm I still dk how to do it

[real minnow]

I need to practice my 45s

[pine garnet]

im gc2 rn and i just had a teammate who did not leave the ground the whole game xD

[unique veldt]

if it were everyone's canonical rank again and the reset didn't happen so harshly, my peak would've probably been c2 div 3

[real minnow]

relatable but I’m high champ rn

[flint aurora]

It was really easy getting back to c1 cause I was just peaking that day

[real minnow]

but also it’s literally every single game

[flint aurora]

Oh and

All three of the times I made it to my c2 promo game I had an afk tm8 lmao

[unique veldt]

d3 is last season's c1

[pine garnet]

big diff between gc2 and c3

[real minnow]

I think I would play better with an afk team8 ngl

[flint aurora]

To this day I'll never know why people queue up ranked to just not play

[real minnow]

yeah im not usually c3 I’m usually like mid high gc1

[flint aurora]

I'm c1 now and I was c1 last season

I just made it back up after the mmr reset and got hardstuck again 💀

[pine garnet]

didnt have a problem getting back after season drop tbh

[real minnow]

I do 😭

[unique veldt]

lmao

[real minnow]

all my team8s make me lose brain cells

[flint aurora]

Keyboard is genuinely so hard

[pine garnet]

i had a few 2v1s in like c3 but happens

[flint aurora]

I've never played controller and it still feels wrong to use kbm

[unique veldt]

buy controller

[real minnow]

idk like I wanna queue comp but every game seems unwinnable

I should’ve saved one of my recent replays

[flint aurora]

I did play on controller for a while actually I lied

Couldn't get out of bronze

[real minnow]

bro couldn’t hit the ball straight

[flint aurora]

Controller is not right for me

[unique veldt]

it is

[real minnow]

😭😭

[pine garnet]

if you save one and send it i can take a look

[unique veldt]

get a ps4 controller

[real minnow]

yeah I might

[pine garnet]

i have never been bronze

[flint aurora]

No I legit can't play controller lol

[real minnow]

I don’t even wanna play comp rn I’m on my second acc

[unique veldt]

you can

[real minnow]

ive lost too many brain cells in like 10 games of playing

[flint aurora]

My fingers are too long to not do claw and I hate claw

And also I'm horrible at controller I have no synergy with it

[unique veldt]

i hate claw

[flint aurora]

I have played kbm on everything my whole life

[unique veldt]

get better

[real minnow]

learn how to dribble good

[unique veldt]

hell nah

[real minnow]

if u were u wouldn’t be okay bbg

[flint aurora]

It's too weird not to play WASD after reaching radiant on val playing for years straight

[unique veldt]

he just needs to learn how to rotate

[real minnow]

not to flex but I’m iron 2 in val

[pine garnet]

insane

[real minnow]

solo plays>

team8s can’t do nun useful until gc2+ I swear

[flint aurora]

I hate Valorant

[unique veldt]

that don't exist homie

[real minnow]

i like it 😩

that’s why ur plat in rl

[unique veldt]

I'm like 99% sure it's bronze, silver, gold, and diamond

[real minnow]

isn’t champion before unreal in fn?

[flint aurora]

I hate every game I'm good at

[real minnow]

relatable

[flint aurora]

Got 300 winstreak on mineman classic 1.8.9 duel and quit

Got Radiant on Val and I want to die

[real minnow]

coach me ;)

[flint aurora]

No cause I would legit just say skill issue 😭

[real minnow]

damn 😞

[unique veldt]

valorant is for losers tbh

[flint aurora]

Real

[real minnow]

agreed

[flint aurora]

I got to Radiant by being scared all the time ingame

It is not fun

[real minnow]

so is rl tho tbh

[flint aurora]

true

[real minnow]

W

[unique veldt]

i don't believe in you

[flint aurora]

If I don't get out of champ by 2000 hours I'll probably quit rocket league

[pine garnet]

agreed, cause damn

then your slow

[unique veldt]

in rocket league? 💀

[flint aurora]

I'm at 1500 hours right now lmao and I'm still champ 1

[pine garnet]

can i spectate

[unique veldt]

but you're plat..

[pine garnet]

damn im at 1200 and im gc2

[flint aurora]

My only excuses are that I never really played consistently til 2023 and that I'm on kbm

[real minnow]

I got like 1500 too

[unique veldt]

and I'm diamond in solo

[real minnow]

damn nice

[flint aurora]

I take like 2 year breaks at a time

[real minnow]

ur free

[unique veldt]

sure 😁

[pine garnet]

used to be my excuse xD i got the game in 2016

[real minnow]

epic?

[flint aurora]

I play on an msi laptop with a trackpad lmao

[real minnow]

I play on a laptop too 😎

[flint aurora]

I use the trackpad for boost and ball cam and the keyboard for everything else

[real minnow]

oh I got warned for asking for your epic

[unique veldt]

how??

[real minnow]

Why not 😭

[real minnow]

if I’m looking to play I gotta ask in the specific chat 😘😘

[unique veldt]

because my parents are still awake (it's 4 am)

💀💀💀

[real minnow]

oh they must be doin sum.

[unique veldt]

they are... and i have to hear it..

[real minnow]

LMAOOOO

that made my day 😭

[unique veldt]

it's actually not funny tho 😭

it's rather scarring

[flint aurora]

There is no greater torture than playing RL at 30fps on 2G wifi

[unique veldt]

agreed

[real minnow]

30 fps? how r u champ.

get a console please 😭

[unique veldt]

i play at 60fps on 5g 😁

[real minnow]

are you on laptop too lynx?

I got like 120-144

[unique veldt]

nope on my extra phone

[real minnow]

absolutely crazy

[flint aurora]

im missing the spacebar also lmao so to jump i just tap the membrane

[unique veldt]

because my dad got mad at me for being up late and took my other one 😊

[flint aurora]

1500 hrs

2 phone baby keem

[unique veldt]

i bought it myself

[real minnow]

how u got allat money 😭

[unique veldt]

it's like a $50 phone man

[real minnow]

o😭

[pine garnet]

go work xD

[unique veldt]

nope from Walmart

[flint aurora]

i worked at mcdonalds to buy my laptop

[real minnow]

not old enough 😖

[pine garnet]

never been to a walmart or target in my life

[unique veldt]

dear lord that's cheap

[unique veldt]

L?

big L

[real minnow]

only takes 5 minutes to load anything you click 😚

[unique veldt]

for $50 that's a great deal

get good

[pine garnet]

get better

[unique veldt]

😂

[real minnow]

I’m a good person and didn’t say get better frfr

[unique veldt]

I'm dying everyone's just fed up with the plats

[real minnow]

im js gonna say get better to anyone above plat

I hate all ranks plat+

[pine garnet]

sure

look dms

[unique veldt]

lmao gold better

[pine garnet]

if i loose this im going to uninstall the game

[unique veldt]

lose * 😁

[real minnow]

if u lose your gonna get clowned

for the rest of ur life

[unique veldt]

discord emojis are so scuffed 😭

[pine garnet]

:(

[real minnow]

na they better than the ones on twitch atleast 🤷‍♂️

[unique veldt]

fr tho

[real minnow]

twitch emojis make me wanna off myself i swear

they could make ‘em look a little bit better atleast right? 😭

[pine garnet]

yea no way im losing this

[real minnow]

score prediction between me and spikey 1v1?

[unique veldt]

6-1

[real minnow]

and what’s ur peak spikey?

[real minnow]

6-1 ⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️

[pine garnet]

depends what servers i play on

[unique veldt]

you 6

[real minnow]

that hurts my ego

[pine garnet]

like i got high ass ping on na

[real minnow]

oh nvm that boosts my ego

[unique veldt]

😊

[real minnow]

try na first cause ur higher ranked

luv u lynx

[unique veldt]

luv you too homie

[real minnow]

u boosted my ego js for me to go back to losing in c2 later 😖

[unique veldt]

you will get gc

ez

[pine garnet]

bro there goo your ankles xD

[real minnow]

give me good team8 that doesn’t monkey and I will for sureeee

[pine garnet]

i am going ez xD

[unique veldt]

undead gon be dead after that 1v1

[pine garnet]

6-0 with 3 min left rn

[real minnow]

yeah just fake kickoff

book easy

[tawny axle]

Can I post YT videos here

[real minnow]

I can’t spell

[real minnow]

no lol

YouTu.be

[unique veldt]

idk

[real minnow]

💀💀💀💀

[unique veldt]

trust me the youtu.be link is a real one

[real minnow]

yea I should click it frfr

[unique veldt]

honest I'll click it

[real minnow]

I don’t wanna my phone already runs slow enough 😞

[tawny axle]

Great, my video was deleted...

[unique veldt]

darn where'd it go

dm it to me

[real minnow]

u aren’t supposed to post vids here LOL

[tawny axle]

How else am I going to ask a question now 🤔

[unique veldt]

L?

[tawny axle]

I thought showing a video is easier than having to explain the situation in painstaking detail...

[real minnow]

do the second option

it’s more entertaining

[tawny axle]

🐸

[unique veldt]

🐸

[tawdry tide]

uh i want tips on speed flip guys:)

[real minnow]

musty training pack

[tawny axle]

Implement air roll into your speed flips.

[real minnow]

• diagonal flip cancel is what your doing

[unique veldt]

do diagnal flip instead

[tawdry tide]

how to y know

but like is it nessasary like

[tawny axle]

No it's not necessary until you get to about c3 you'll almost always get someone in the opposing team that does a speedflip kickoff

[tawdry tide]

like which air roll there are two types?

[tawny axle]

Depends on which side you speedflip into (the diagonal flip direction)

[tawdry tide]

i am d3 XD

[tawny axle]

Then you need to start learning speedflips now. You won't need them now, but at least start practicing now.

[pine garnet]

aight 19-0 not to bad

[unique veldt]

joystick air roll and directional air roll

[tawdry tide]

i mean that square one or l1

[real minnow]

only 19-0?

I 1v1d a plat the other day and got 25 🥱

[unique veldt]

depends. what's l1 for you

[tawny axle]

Don't use joystick/manual air roll XD unless you're like trying to get an insanely quick air roll power shot

[pine garnet]

i was fucking about and missed 6 open nets xD

[tawdry tide]

uh ok so when should we use airroll

[real minnow]

get better

[pine garnet]

whats your 1s rank?

[tawdry tide]

like at what time

[real minnow]

what your rank u sound smart

[unique veldt]

he's def gc2

[tawny axle]

I'm a hard stuck c1 for 2 years

[real minnow]

o

[unique veldt]

no

[pine garnet]

xD

[tawny axle]

Been very close to c2, but I just don't practice anymore

[unique veldt]

lmao

[real minnow]

not you

[real minnow]

ahhhh

yeah I gotchu after I 1v1 spikey

[tawny axle]

I think I have the mechanical ability and game sense of a champ 3, but the consistency of a diamond 3 lol

[unique veldt]

... 🤨

[tawny axle]

Average that and you get c1-c2

[unique veldt]

no, nobody is diamond 3, it doesn't exist.

you got a friend in me 🤠

nope they don't exist

exactly

d3 sucks fr

you're d3 boy i don't wanna hear clueless

no I'm champ 1 loser

c1 div 3

yeah and i just got better and climed right back up

[fair warren]

@unique veldt

[tawny axle]

I think I stopped practicing because at c1 you can already mechanically do so much that you just want to play and have fun and enjoy doing things, instead of still having to optimize and hone your consistency so you do what you already can do well by 5% or less... It's such a dilemmatic phase in your RL career 🤣

[unique veldt]

i can't rn!!!!!

[fair warren]

Dang ok

[unique veldt]

tomorrow!!!!

[fair warren]

kk

[unique veldt]

😭

[fair warren]

Np lol

She helping me get out of silver

Fr?

[tawny axle]

1v1s have been my main focus lately... Before focusing on it I was averaging p2 and sometimes getting lucky into p3 (as a champ 1), now I consistently hit d1

[fair warren]

Silvers these days are so sweaty 🙄

For me they are

[tawny axle]

Depends on the person, not everyone is sweaty

[fair warren]

What is ur user?

Are u saying it’s my skill issue?

Ok thanks 💀

[unique veldt]

driller can't get outta d3 fr

fr

[real minnow]

I beat spikey on na

[unique veldt]

epic

[pine garnet]

i suck but yea

[real minnow]

but ima get bullied on eu

[unique veldt]

y'all i think driller blocked me because mad 💀

waaa

yeah why

ye

[real minnow]

rn?

[unique veldt]

yes.

[pine garnet]

aight asuna and me are even on na it was 9-8 for asuna eu was 7-3 for me

[real minnow]

😭

just put him into his grave

[fair warren]

Srry

Rumble?

Oh ok

Ima play a couple matches

[real minnow]

after my game

[fair warren]

Do yall wanna see a clip i hit in a champ lobby ( i am a silver)

It’s not rlly a clip

[rain apex]

yo

[hazy shell]

Yes

Post it in the gameplay highlights

[fair warren]

Ok

[hazy shell]

What is ur rank?

[tawdry rune]

excuse me does anyone know how to post in looking for group

[vernal bridge]

does anyone have any tips for how to get better at dribbling? im a gold and want to become good at dribbling

[vernal bridge]

with the + you can find congierge or something

[tawdry rune]

oh ok ty

[vernal bridge]

np

[real minnow]

I’m kinda js trollin around cause I have no brain cells rn

and my mechs r not warmed up 😭

[wooden roost]

lol

[nova burrow]

ssl does not mean rlcs

[wooden roost]

Ngl, as much as I love the actual RLCS, the pro scene is scuffed asf

[nova burrow]

its big difference between those

[wooden roost]

@real minnow though if your rank can't be held at your floor then I kinda don't think it is earned?

Like sure, I can play at Champ 1 or 2 when peaking

and be suuuper competitive

[nova burrow]

ok

just saying

[wooden roost]

but I am D1/D2 in 2s because that is my floor

[real minnow]

we in cas and I was just messing around

[wooden roost]

while getting 800 points with a tm8 at literally 70

[real minnow]

sure if I’m PEAKING I could play like a gc3 or sum 🤷‍♂️

but atm my floor is gc1

[wooden roost]

fair, tbh idek how this started

[real minnow]

well my current rank is high c2 cause rank reset and haven’t got back up yet

but I’m workin on the consistency so my floor is my peak ‼️‼️‼️

[wooden roost]

at the end of the day though, idk why people think being higher rank is better within the same rankset. At least, Diamond 1 vs Diamond 3 is literally just identical. MAYBE the D3's are more consistent

[wooden roost]

fair, rank reset scuffed it

[real minnow]

gc1 vs gc3 is completely unfair tho 😭

[wooden roost]

idk how, but I have been having every ballchasing tm8 under the sun

[real minnow]

same w c1 vs c3

[wooden roost]

agreed

C1 vs C3 is in the middle imo

[real minnow]

I agree with this lmao half my team8s monkey

[sick flame]

anyone got any tips to get to d1?

[wooden roost]

its less a skill thing, more a consistency and how much they actually think about the game thing

[real minnow]

kinda depends if they are mechy players or game sense players tbh

[wooden roost]

Literally, just play the game

If you are below Champ, just play the game and don't be dumb

[real minnow]

yeah my SKILL is good enough for ssl but my CONSISTENCY is not there yet

aswell as my game sense it isn’t there yet

[cyan sage]

ballchase

[wooden roost]

this is bad advice

[cyan sage]

nooooooo

[wooden roost]

because then you start whining when tm8s don't carry

because they have 5 saves, the same amount of points and 1/4 the ball touches

[real minnow]

play around team8, learn how to dribble good, be good at defense, rotate, don’t go in the air if u really wanna rank up

tbh if u wanna rank up you don’t need to go in the air til gc 🤷‍♂️

[wooden roost]

Ngl

I think honestly that getting a rank soloq is better

[real minnow]

yeah solo queue is the worst pain ever

getting a rank solo queue helps you more as a player though icl

[wooden roost]

Look at it this way.
Eu vs NA in RLCS. NA don't really change teams that much, while EU does a lot

[real minnow]

cause you play around different types of players

[wooden roost]

EU players have learnt to play different styles and positions

[real minnow]

zen doesn’t need a team he’s js him 🥱

yeah makes sense

[wooden roost]

Anyway, wrong channel

eh

[rancid shell]

any tip to get out of plat??

[old pier]

learn to aim your hits, most plat players just think "i can hit this ball, so i will hit it" and then they just hit it into a wall or worse, a useless hit

[sick flame]

which plat?

[rancid shell]

plat 2 div 4

[sick flame]

thats the same rank im in lol

and div 4

[rancid shell]

i can perform well with diamond friends but i just go monkey see monkey do when im in plat lobbies

u oce?

[sick flame]

oce?

[rancid shell]

oceania

[sick flame]

oh, bo

[old pier]

things that plats don't think about: sometimes you don't have to hit the ball, and sometimes it's better to wait until the ball falls down instead of jumping in the air for it (if there are no opponents around)

[sick flame]

ty for the advice

[rancid shell]

ill try this in games but ty for the advice

[old pier]

also: practice more defense (nobody does that). Plat players are not very good at shooting, so if you improve your defense a little you will save a lot of shots.

the most important "defense/rotation" advice is: circle back. Having someone in the back is good, so be that someone.
The best position to be is behind the ball, so:
You missed the ball? circle back into a better position
You hit the ball away from you? circle back into a better position
You just did a 50-50? circle back into a better position
You don't have a shot? circle back into a better position
You just circled back into a better position? circle back into a better position

[real minnow]

also learn how to dribble decent lol

[old pier]

and so on 🙂
The entire point of the whole complicated "rotation" talk is "having a player in the back is good", so you continuously send players to the back and call it "rotation". And if your teammates will not go back (they won't), then you have to go back more.

[rancid shell]

thanks!

[real minnow]

what’s your rank?

js wanna see if u can give me good advice for game sense n stuff

[old pier]

[reef bough]

how to jump?

[dusk meadow]

a

[real minnow]

ahhh

[dusk meadow]

[real minnow]

dms

[reef bough]

cas only gang

[dusk meadow]

whats your mmr in cas?

[reef bough]

varies, highest i think is around 1920 or something

[dusk meadow]

rank??

[reef bough]

peaked gc2 in like season 9 or something then stopped playing ranked lol

[dusk meadow]

what about 3s im tryna get a team goin for scrims and tournys

[reef bough]

also 3s main 😂

[dusk meadow]

thats a bet

[neon dirge]

whats ur rank

[dusk meadow]

1460 Gc2 last season in 3s

[grizzled herald]

can anyone like coach me am stuck in gold 3 and i might need some help 😅

[stuck basalt]

opponent scored 6 goals in 1s and 3 of those were kickoff goals thats incredible

why do i never get a possesion after kickoff or a kickoff goal?

my opponents must be some kickoff gods

[empty dawn]

What’s your kickoff

[sly fable]

Hitting the ball with power.

[sly fable]

Or it might be your kickoffs that is weak.

[stable hatch]

like spinning thing

[umbral belfry]

how long you been playing

before that

20-19 what

days, hours ?

oh my goodness gracious

[sly fable]

Lmao 🤣

[rugged needle]

if any plat+ wants help send me a dm or @ me here with your issue. I dont mind helping people that need it

[umbral belfry]

plat don’t need your help they the best

[summer quail]

actually diamond midnset

[hazy shell]

What’s ur rank?

[umbral belfry]

epic

you’re just bad

get gud

no

[elder quartz]

Open ur eyes wtf

[hazy shell]

Can’t say that. Whenever u feel like it’s ur teammates fault think abt what you could have done better in the situation. Doesn’t make sense to drop a whole rank just cause of ur teammates

[umbral belfry]

they are like golds

[hazy shell]

U get mad at yourself for having the most points?

That’s not the point sir.

[stuck basalt]

I love bullying gc1s

[serene bone]

@solid path

[umbral belfry]

ain’t talking to you. was talking to shiesty

[hazy shell]

Read the damn message

[umbral belfry]

what’s your one’s rank?

☹️🙁😕😐🙂😀😄😁😈suuuureeeee

but later

LilBoatyAlt

no.

[hazy shell]

No

[hazy shell]

Read this

[umbral belfry]

completely agree

c1 solo queue is easy af

[hazy shell]

Fr

[umbral belfry]

fr

c1? 💀💀💀

he thought i was saying he was bad but i was saying you is

C1??

solo queue easy

[elder quartz]

Yikes all these low ranks...

[umbral belfry]

!!!

because c2 is faster?

and i ain’t there yet? what you think?

[elder quartz]

Gc3 in 1s atm 👼

[umbral belfry]

c1 is literally the most fun and easiest rank

c2 is hard, stupid

[hazy badge]

@hallow dagger

[umbral belfry]

c1 is easy. that’s why i’m v1

[elder quartz]

Yikes

[stuck basalt]

I peaked ssl

[umbral belfry]

you think? obviously it’s easy for you, and i don’t see why it wouldn’t be.

[elder quartz]

Boat has depression thats why they cant get higher

[stuck basalt]

every mode

[umbral belfry]

you are a gc and i am a champ. i am champ 1 and i can confirm that champ 2 is a harder rank to play in for me. okay?

yeah cuz he lost c1 in solo queue somehow

[stuck basalt]

are you talking about 1s

[umbral belfry]

noooooooo wtf i’m only d1 in ones

nah but he d2

bro they playin like diamonds you just gotta adapt to it fr

when i get on later today i’ll try to help you but i can’t play atm

[hazy shell]

Then just stay behind the play

[umbral belfry]

listen to this man

[clever bolt]

cam someone coach me in 1s please im p3

[umbral belfry]

no eww plat go away

[clever bolt]

bro shush ur only d1

in 1s lol

fr

[umbral belfry]

yeah so?

[ebon kelp]

Anyone got a decent training pack for diamonds ?

[umbral belfry]

i’m better than a plat

[clever bolt]

okay i tell u wht 1v1 me i reckon im higher mthn plat tbf

[umbral belfry]

diamond may training pack

[umbral belfry]

what are you in 1’s?

[clever bolt]

p3 but lets 1v1

[umbral belfry]

fr he is

[umbral belfry]

okay later

i can’t play rn

[clever bolt]

no now u trash talk to lets go

[ebon kelp]

Lol you’re on the spot now

[umbral belfry]

bro. i literally cannot play rn my sister is playing.

[clever bolt]

lol

[clever bolt]

yh yh lol

[umbral belfry]

i’m not gonna kick my own sister off the game hoe

[clever bolt]

this is defo a girl

[hazy shell]

Y’all needa stop hating on Boat

[ebon kelp]

Alright ‘de/pressed’

[umbral belfry]

heheh

gold is the best rank ong

just stay there

[ebon kelp]

Get a good teammate from lfg

[umbral belfry]

nah bro gold is the best trust

[umbral belfry]

ty

[stuck basalt]

💀

[clever bolt]

anyways anyone able to coach me in 1s?

[umbral belfry]

no

[clever bolt]

didnt ask for ur opinion

[umbral belfry]

it’s not an opinion it’s a fact

[clever bolt]

ur trash wouldnt want u to anyways lol

[umbral belfry]

good

[clever bolt]

ik rt

[umbral belfry]

fr

[clever bolt]

very good lol

[ebon kelp]

I suck ass at 1s

[umbral belfry]

same

but at least i’m not plat right?

[clever bolt]

atleast ur not plat but get beat by a plat pahahaa

[umbral belfry]

since when 💀💀💀

[clever bolt]

just accept ur bad n thts why ur toxic af

[umbral belfry]

i’m not toxic i’m honest

there a big diff

[clever bolt]

na ur one toxic girl

[elder quartz]

If you think you need coaching at plat3, then you have a severe lack of getting your ass in game and grinding for experience

[umbral belfry]

honest*

[ebon kelp]

I could do casual

[umbral belfry]

why you still talking to me frfr?

[clever bolt]

no..... lol

[ebon kelp]

My casual rank ain’t great tbf

[hazy shell]

Ain’t nothing wrong with asking for a coach in plat

[umbral belfry]

true

[clever bolt]

i dont but ur non relevant replys to my questions arent needed

[umbral belfry]

mad?

[clever bolt]

cry

[umbral belfry]

wooooowwww

[ebon kelp]

He’s got a point tho it’s just practice at this rank

[umbral belfry]

i will

[clever bolt]

fr

[clever bolt]

ur problem

[umbral belfry]

it’s not a problem but ok

[ebon kelp]

This chat always turns into an argument lmao

[sterile nacelle]

lol

[umbral belfry]

yessir

[clever bolt]

yh when u get little kids who are bad at the game and try to be told different they cry abt it

[elder quartz]

I guess if you arent applying yourself properly then sure, but asking for a coach at such a low point in development is kind of a waste

[sterile nacelle]

^

[clever bolt]

not really

people might need to know what kind of plays they need to do to help rank up etc

[sterile nacelle]

plat is such a low rank taht they havent really learned the fundamentals, if your plat with 500+ hours then sure, coaching could work

[hazy shell]

That’s true however if you really feel like u struggling then there’s nothing wrong with asking for a coach at plat

[umbral belfry]

what we talking about again?

[sterile nacelle]

idek

[umbral belfry]

same

[sterile nacelle]

i just got here lmao

[umbral belfry]

can you confirm that gc sucks

[sterile nacelle]

it does

[umbral belfry]

thank you.

[clever bolt]

im quite mechanical n got abit of game sense im c1 in 2s but 1s is just a no go lol

[sterile nacelle]

im hardstuck 1500 in 2s, i get out at the end of the season to around 1650-1700

[sterile nacelle]

i just got gc1 in 1s because its so much better for me than 2s, cant cope with my tm8s

[umbral belfry]

see ball hit ball trust me

[ebon kelp]

Learn to half flip in plat 1s and you’ll slap them all

[sterile nacelle]

tru

[austere nexus]

i keep winning against my friend in 1v1 but he's plat 3 and im plat 2 in 2v2s and when we party up we lose most matches. whats wrong?

[patent nymph]

?

[clever bolt]

i can tho

[patent nymph]

Wassup

[sterile nacelle]

this is because you guys have bad chemistry and play styles dont work well, especially in plat

try just letting him go for the ball and chill, you and your tm8 dont need to be on the ball at the same time

[ebon kelp]

Consistsantly?

[clever bolt]

yh but half of the time i dont need to

[austere nexus]

alright thanks

[cyan sage]

hi

[mossy pawn]

back too was i was saying so i need a coach too help me get better mechanics if possible

[sterile nacelle]

I gotchu man :)

[cyan sage]

i need some1 to coach me in 1s

im plat 2 in ones

[hazy shell]

U d2 u don’t need mechanics

[sterile nacelle]

Not true

Every rank you need mechanics

Some ranks require more advanced mechs than others

[cyan sage]

yh my peak rank rn is d1 and the people in my 2s game use mechs and im down like 100mmr or sum because of my rusty mechs

[hazy shell]

Ok only need basic mechs in d2

[mossy pawn]

ye but if you wanna go for certain plays and you play it in your mind but cant apply it in game then your just gonna screw up if you try it

[cyan sage]

nah airdribbles and double taps and air dribble bumps mostly

[mossy pawn]

you get what i mean

[elder quartz]

At plat? Work on the fundamentals really hard. shot accuracy, aerial control, recoveries, defensive position to name a few. Just mastering the basics puts you above most gcs

[sterile nacelle]

Def don’t need air dribbles till c1/2

[shy crystal]

can someone coach me for free pls im c1 USE

[cyan sage]

in my d1 games ppl air dribbl

tbh new ssn ive seen three gcs in my plat3 3s games

new ssn wildin

[sterile nacelle]

That’s because they only focus on mechs and nothing else, that’s why they’re Diamond

[mossy pawn]

rn im jus tryna get back too c1

[cyan sage]

so i needa coach for 2s then ??

[flint plaza]

you are talking about 1s when you both are playing 2s...

I think you both need to learn how to rotate and play as a team instead of trying to be faster but cut each other in the process

do you find yourself as a 1st man cutting your tm8's rotation after your play/shot when he is about to boom the ball or defend the net instead of you rotating back around him and letting him get to the ball and score ?
(sry for the long question)

[shy crystal]

bruh someone pls

[mossy pawn]

wait so who's down too coach me

[cyan sage]

breh im d1 bouta go back to plat MAN

[mossy pawn]

sorry lowkey forgot

[sterile nacelle]

I’m down rn

[mossy pawn]

bet

add me

[cyan sage]

need some1 to coach me in ones

[sterile nacelle]

Whatever he needs

[mossy pawn]

u wanna go in a vc real quick or nah

[sterile nacelle]

im in a vc in the RL discord

[mossy pawn]

k

[austere nexus]

the problem is that i used to know how to rotate and be a good teammate but i keep forgetting during matches

and when i do backpost rotations my opponents seem to notice and boom the ball to the net

before i catch up

[toxic nest]

hi, any tipps for a c1 player in 1s ?

[elder quartz]

Youre rotating too wide then. You can rotate backpost without going super wide. And you dont wanna go wide in 2s

[austere nexus]

hmmm

what about if they kick the ball the same side (vertical half) as i am? I see to stuggle getting around that

[flint plaza]

aha ic
you are setting backpost and your opponent is booming the ball near post and u can't reach it

if so then make sure you're moving forward towards near post just before the shot
so you already have momentum to save a shot near post
and if they shoot back post you can easily slow down and reach it

this is definitely smth you should practice

[austere nexus]

how do i practice it?

[flint plaza]

just play more and watch your replays more

[austere nexus]

is there a training pack?

[flint plaza]

training packs always puts you in the perfect position

they don't train you to position yourself in different situations

[shell scroll]

then use bakkesmod

you can turn on a setting that makes it vary

[austere nexus]

I have it but wdym

[shell scroll]

i replied to his message

[flint plaza]

I hope that's ok with him

because it's the best way to make things easier

[shell scroll]

“training packs always put you in a perfect position”

[flint plaza]

use freeplay checkpoint plugin

[elder quartz]

Explain better

[flint plaza]

I think he just means
they hit the ball behind him
and/or above him

I hope that I got it right

[flint plaza]

send me a clip of you missing it if you need further help

[stiff patrol]

@cyan sage

[elder quartz]

Thats a mechanical issue then, not a positional

[austere nexus]

one sec

[flint plaza]

u mean he is jumping too early and he should instead break a little then jump so he will be flying up but not far away

is that what you mean?

[austere nexus]

https://imgur.com/a/tBvhYGW

how do i save that?

[shell scroll]

shadow defense

yknow that training pack

practice that

[elder quartz]

Yeah be facing your net, and the cut into the ball

When youre watching your opponents do things and your teamate is on the ball, you almost always want to be facing your own net

[austere nexus]

i cant catch up sometimes

oooh wait i understand

[elder quartz]

Thats what facing your net fixes :)

[austere nexus]

oooooh

is there shadow defence but where i start facing the opposite net

[vivid gulch]

Guys is it worth using my controller paddles ?

[shell scroll]

yes but no

i use them, but they’re not allowed in competition, like rlcs

[crude nimbus]

yes they are lmao

[vivid gulch]

Oh they’re not ?

[shell scroll]

from what my friend told me

no

[vivid gulch]

Dang

Alright thanks for letting me know

[shell scroll]

he’s that type of guy who hangs out with pros so i’d assume he’s right

[crude nimbus]

they are allowed, paddles arent macro or boosted

fairy peak used the razor raiju

and the elite series 2 is also popular

just because most pros came from ps4 is why most use the ps4/ps5 controller

[vivid gulch]

Ah sick

[crude nimbus]

having paddles does not give any more advantage than playing claw, its the same thing just easier.

[vivid gulch]

I was looking through the rlcs rules on google and it didn’t have anything on it they should probably make a section for it

[crude nimbus]

its not an extra button, its a button that remaps to another button, essentially two of one button

[vivid gulch]

that makes sense

[crude nimbus]

but its not macro that if you click the botton it will stall reset on command

that, is illegal like the steam one button stall

[vivid gulch]

Yeah

man when they gonna get this dang bot back up

I’m tryna get my roles 🙄

[crude nimbus]

hes wrong lol

[strong heart]

Hello, im currently ranking up to diamond, but i am absolutely trash at aerial (i'm getting really confused what should i do when im up) and at shooting, how can i master them? 😄

[crude nimbus]

practice lil bro

no secret

[vivid gulch]

LIL BRO 😭

[strong heart]

lmaoooo xd

[vivid gulch]

He’s right tho

[crude nimbus]

youre diamond, so im assuming like 500-600 hours on the high end

you still got 6000 hours to go to be considered good at the game

[strong heart]

damn

[vivid gulch]

Im very nervous im going from ps4 to Xbox series x from DualShock 4 to a elite series 2

[still mirage]

Im looking for someone who is c3/gc1 level and wants to play to hit clips and just joke around in 2s

[crude nimbus]

elite series 2 is trash

[vivid gulch]

I know 😭

[crude nimbus]

the A button doesnt work lmao

[vivid gulch]

Fr

U serious

[crude nimbus]

or any face button for thatmatter i tried. returned it 2 days later

[shell scroll]

hell nah

i’ve had mine for years

works like a dream too

[vivid gulch]

Aight should I get a thrust master e swap pro ?

[crude nimbus]

eh. never tried it but ive heard mixed reviews

[shell scroll]

^

my friends have told me it’s good

[crude nimbus]

my buddy used it and didnt like it

[vivid gulch]

Ppl do say they break after like 6 months

[shell scroll]

and if it gets stuck drift just get it warrantied

[vivid gulch]

Don’t tell me it’s the same rlcs paddles friend

[crude nimbus]

and the customer support is errible

[shell scroll]

no

[vivid gulch]

😂😂😂😂

Thank god

[shell scroll]

well what can i say

dude was like 1900 in 2s

he knows a lot of people

[crude nimbus]

you never know whos associated in the RLCS scene more than others. saying your friend might know pros kinda useless

[vivid gulch]

Fr

[shell scroll]

no i know he knows pros

[crude nimbus]

and irrelevant for that matter

[vivid gulch]

Bro my grandma was friends with trumps ex wife doesn’t mean ima be president 😂

[crude nimbus]

you could be talking to a pro on a burner and not have any idea

just saying

[vivid gulch]

How would you guys recommend improving

[crude nimbus]

training packs, workshops, freeplay

[vivid gulch]

Cause I love this game but I’m tryna hit some stinkyyyy clips

[shell scroll]

do i care

[vivid gulch]

On Xbox can I get workshops

[crude nimbus]

if ur just tryna freestyle grind mechs

[shell scroll]

no

[crude nimbus]

your touches are the most important part

[vivid gulch]

Dang

Yeah

I have unrealistic goals tho 😭

Im 14 and I want to be gc by the time I’m 17

[mortal quail]

Only 3 years, that's doable

[crude nimbus]

i work 40 hours and go two college and flight school and still managed to hit 1650 with 3.5k hours in the game since free to play nothings unrealistic

i hit GC in 1-2

[vivid gulch]

Jeez

[vivid gulch]

Yeah

[mortal quail]

From gold 3 to gc1 was a year and a half for me

About 800+ hrs

[vivid gulch]

How does getting to the pro scene in irl

[vivid gulch]

DAYUM

[crude nimbus]

are you NA or EU

[vivid gulch]

Eu *

[mortal quail]

Just being good I guess, play 6mans and ranked

If your good you'll end up being noticed

[crude nimbus]

then if you wanted to hit the pro scene you gotta be a bubble player by the time youre 16-17-18

[vivid gulch]

what’s a bubble player

😭😭

[crude nimbus]

unsigned pro caliber players

Rank A rank X

[vivid gulch]

Oh right

[mortal quail]

Player who is just below pro

Aka semi pro

[vivid gulch]

Alr

[crude nimbus]

connections also help

[dapper bay]

how do i join someones lfg

[crude nimbus]

but thats more an NA thing NA gatekeeps friendships

[vivid gulch]

I’ve got like 8 hours a day weekdays and 14 hours a day weekends to play

[mortal quail]

Hopefully that changes with the coming season

[crude nimbus]

its gotta change if they want to compete with these french kids

[vivid gulch]

Who’s this zen kid that everyone hyped up aswell

[mortal quail]

Player who doesn't lose

[crude nimbus]

a RLCS smurf

[mortal quail]

Basically

[vivid gulch]

damn so he’s just that guy

[sly fable]

16 yrs old goat

[mortal quail]

He is him

[vivid gulch]

Dayum

[crude nimbus]

4/4 in the split in his rookie season? bro already has made more than most pros

[vivid gulch]

BRUH

[mortal quail]

He hasn't lost a 3s tourney yet

Including 3rd party ones

[vivid gulch]

😳

He got the sauce

[crude nimbus]

if he wins worlds hes a RL legend for as long as the games alive

hell be up there with kronovi

[mortal quail]

Only thing he doesn't have atm is longevity

But give it a few years lol

[crude nimbus]

i still dont think hes hit his prime

[mortal quail]

He has a lan win, regional win, dominate split/season, 1s history

[abstract pine]

any tips for being ssl/

[crude nimbus]

see ball, hit ball

and dont do what seikoo did

[shell scroll]

zen made rlcs better tbh

[vivid gulch]

W advice

[crude nimbus]

if u cant hit ball, practice til u can

[primal furnace]

Any tips for being diamond 1 almost diamond 2 and knowing that you should be a higher rank

[abstract pine]

If you should be a higher rank you would be so ur not

[crude nimbus]

grind 1s and you shouldnt be a higher rank, youre at your rank

[vivid gulch]

First fix ur mentality

[abstract pine]

fr

[primal furnace]

The only reason I am at my rank is because of my teammates I solo q

[crude nimbus]

accept that you suck and practice

[abstract pine]

no.

[crude nimbus]

nope, not your tm8s fault I solo qed to gc2.

[primal furnace]

I don't suck though

[abstract pine]

thats an excuse for u not having good team8

[vivid gulch]

L mindset

[crude nimbus]

youre diamond. youre trash at the game

[vivid gulch]

Exactly

[abstract pine]

thats an excuse for not having good team work*

[primal furnace]

You don't have to be toxic just because I think the only reason I am at the rank I am is because of my tm8s

[abstract pine]

you need to beable to read, rotate, not hesitate

[crude nimbus]

and youre wrong

[abstract pine]

thats not the case though.

[vivid gulch]

It’s not toxic bro u asked for advice

[crude nimbus]

if you want to improve get out of that mindset

[vivid gulch]

U can’t take it then u will be diamond forever

[shell scroll]

wait you guys know how to rotate?

[abstract pine]

Im ngl I was the same blaming team8s until I realised it was me cause I was ball chasing. here I am in champ. BE LIKE ME

[crude nimbus]

whats rotatin?

[vivid gulch]

What is that

[primal furnace]

I don't ball chase though I am a passive aggressive player

[crude nimbus]

bros champ asking tips to be ssl

[vivid gulch]

did u make a new mechanic star wars

[crude nimbus]

you probably ball chase.

[abstract pine]

joke

[shell scroll]

?

[abstract pine]

Diverx_sity

[crude nimbus]

nah i think that was a W

[vivid gulch]

What’s rotating

[abstract pine]

how about we hope in call and see what ur doing wrong

[shell scroll]

idk

[abstract pine]

u play 2s I watch.

[primal furnace]

Ok

[crude nimbus]

u got it ion do that for free

i wouldnt

[shell scroll]

why

[crude nimbus]

time is money, simple

[shell scroll]

helping people is fun

[vivid gulch]

Nah

Do we look like mr beast

[crude nimbus]

i help ppl who are serious enough to invest in themselves

[shell scroll]

which is like high gc3s

[crude nimbus]

theres younger players who want to grind the game.

[shell scroll]

i just help for fun

[crude nimbus]

nah theres money to be made

[shell scroll]

greedy ass

[crude nimbus]

no, just a different target audience

and a different process.

my coaching lasts a week long at times

[shell scroll]

can you coach mechs

[crude nimbus]

yep

[shell scroll]

up to what

[crude nimbus]

but thats not what most players that come to me asking to rank up need.

[shell scroll]

like what can you hit

[mortal quail]

Charging for coaching is wild ngl

"Coaching"

[crude nimbus]

any quality coach will charge you, i have connections that make my information and my sessions valuable

[shell scroll]

bro same

i have connections too

[mortal quail]

Not when 90% of coaches who charge are horrible

[shell scroll]

do you know the nape

[crude nimbus]

ive made a plat 3 to gc in 6 months

[mortal quail]

Just cause you charge doesn't mean it's quality

[crude nimbus]

i got the evidence

[shell scroll]

tbh i completely forget people play video games for money

[crude nimbus]

Plat 3 to GC in 6 months, gc2 - high gc3 in 3 months and gold to diamond in 4 months, etc

never qed a single ranked match with them only cas.

their ranking up was soley based on them

[shell scroll]

ok…..

[crude nimbus]

with the information and coaching i gave them

[shell scroll]

but that wasn’t really my original question

what mechs can you teach

[upper niche]

@tough forge ]

[crude nimbus]

Power shots, dribbling, flicks, resets, double taps, reads off wall, speed flipping in the air, all the essentials and i have freestylers if they wanna learn the fancy shit

[fast gate]

Lol I've seen your FS

[crude nimbus]

but again, freestyling is not my target audience

[shell scroll]

hi

[abstract pine]

have u seen mine

🙂

[abstract pine]

can they do a quad 360 maktuf into jakze musty?

[fast gate]

Nah only him cuz he posts to game play highlight like every day

[shell scroll]

i mean yeah

if i grinded for a min it’d be pretty easy

but it isn’t really a good shot

[abstract pine]

send me a clip doing 4 360 maktufs into a jakze into a musty

[fast gate]

Rip

[shell scroll]

i haven’t hit that

i can send a bad reset chain i hit recently

[stuck basalt]

is it just me or gc1s are trash

[shell scroll]

ye they are

[abstract pine]

quad = 4 I say quad 360 maktuf

[mortal quail]

Gc1s are bad yes

[shell scroll]

look #gameplay-highlights

[stuck basalt]

like gc2s are wayyy better

[abstract pine]

ehh clean except that double at the end

yea that double touch was 100% luck

[crude nimbus]

gc1 has gotten worse imo

[shell scroll]

i sent two

[primal furnace]

Can anyone watch my gameplay in a bit and tell me what I am doing wrong

[shell scroll]

and a duplicate of the first one

[stuck basalt]

they need to make gc1 1500+

[shell scroll]

it was back then

[crude nimbus]

they lowered the rank thresholds and then try to fix the inflated ranks

by resetting you 200 MMR lower

[stuck basalt]

is it good that they did that

[limpid plank]

2s mmr was a bit inflated so yeah probably

[abstract pine]

maktuf heli jackze :/ not 4 maktuifs 🤦‍♂️🤣

[stuck basalt]

i wonder why

[limpid plank]

cuz people play 2s more than any other playlist

[shell scroll]

i don’t find you very funny

[stuck basalt]

not only that

[shell scroll]

plus that’s the most boring shot

[stuck basalt]

boosted players/alt accounts

[limpid plank]

ay i'm finally practicing double resets, any tips?

[crude nimbus]

smurfing will forever be an issue due to the free to play nature of the game

[stuck basalt]

they can make it so you can play ranked only if you pay money

[shell scroll]

are you going for stalls or rapids?

[limpid plank]

honestly idk the difference lmfao

hold up i'll upload a clip of my last attempt'

[crude nimbus]

then the game isnt free to play. its putting the game behind a paywall

[shell scroll]

rapids are diagonal flips, stalls are stalls

[stuck basalt]

you can play casual

[crude nimbus]

casual and ranked are not the same game

[limpid plank]

i think rapids then

[crude nimbus]

they could set it to a certain hour threshold of casual games played but then itll just be instant suite auto q while they have something moving the controller so they don’t idle kick

[fresh kestrel]

they are

you still have a casual mmr, ranked jus shows your "rank"

technically they the exact same

[crude nimbus]

casual is no where near as competitive as ranked, people play game to play ranked. putting a paywall on ranked will put a paywall on 90% of players

it would tank their numbers

[fresh kestrel]

wut yall even talking abt

im hearin a paywall on ranked?

[crude nimbus]

i was responding to lima

[stuck basalt]

yeah will be added soon

[crude nimbus]

^

thats a terrible business move they would never

[fresh kestrel]

if thats so whats the point of the game being f2p

[crude nimbus]

exactly

[primal furnace]

Can anyone that is a higher rank than diamond hop on a call with me and tell me what I am doing wrong

[mortal quail]

They won't add a paywall to ranked lmao

[stuck basalt]

make it so you need specific level

[fresh kestrel]

you need to be level 10 to play ranked

[mortal quail]

Not really, you can queue if someone else is over that level

[stuck basalt]

yeah

at least fix that

[fresh kestrel]

i mean i dont see the issue anyway

[mortal quail]

Make it to where you have to play an X amount of casual games

[crude nimbus]

even then level 10 is like 3 hours of cas

[mortal quail]

And can't queue ranked till

[crude nimbus]

again, instant suite is a thing

[stuck basalt]

other games have much better smurf protection

[fresh kestrel]

making someone commit an extra hr or 2 isnt rlly gonna decrease smurfing

[mortal quail]

Yet have a much worse smurf problem

[stuck basalt]

like valorant for example

[mortal quail]

Val is horrible with smurfs

[crude nimbus]

nope especially if they have ppl paying them

[mortal quail]

Far worse than RL

Has an avid val player

[crude nimbus]

any F2P game will have problem with smurfs

[mortal quail]

RL has a boosted problem

Not really a smurf one

[fresh kestrel]

theres no real way to fix it

[mortal quail]

Ya there is, no one likes it tho

[fresh kestrel]

as theres no way to proof someone is smurfing in ranks like champ+

unless they say it

[mortal quail]

Smurfing can't be fixed, boosting can be

[stuck basalt]

what does val do against boosted players?

[limpid plank]

they could enforce MAC bans

you can still get around em but at least it'll make it more annoying

[mortal quail]

Make you get to lvl 20, play 5 placements that go off performance over winning/losing

[fresh kestrel]

boosting doesnt benefit the player, so i dont see how its even a big issue

[mortal quail]

In val it's hard to boost as it's a 5v5

[fresh kestrel]

if u wanna boost then ok, but that js means u aint mean nothin to the rank u "got"

[mortal quail]

Rl is 2v2, a gc can 2v1 into gc with anyone

[mortal quail]

Because they play ranked and ruin the experience of the other players

[fresh kestrel]

i mean theres still 1s

[mortal quail]

It was an HUGE issue few seasons ago

[fresh kestrel]

wouldnt it be better to make this channel into a thread/post channel

i js think that personally tho

[stuck basalt]

maybe

[young mist]

Any tips for hardstuck ssl?

[shell scroll]

win more than you lose

[fresh kestrel]

how is this an issue

dukes is hardstuck on the highes rank obtainable

[dark vault]

Sitting around 1400 hours, and am not seeing as much improvement as I'd hoped. Ended last season c3 d2 as my peak. Advice for pushing gc?

[fresh kestrel]

consistency

[dark vault]

touches, dt's, and other general mechanics?

[signal lintel]

Yes but that would be way less fun

[fresh kestrel]

not even mechanics

sum of yall js inconsistent with the basics

[dark vault]

Consistency, I've found, is a little tougher with solo q-ing

[fresh kestrel]

like actuall good power shots, when to powershot, how to powershot, and simply js having synergy with your teammate

my biggest and constant advice is when your solo-q, you should adjust towards your tm8s playstyle

and play to benefit them

[royal meadow]

What kind of adjustments do you make? Currently C1 but feel like I'm at a wall

[fresh kestrel]

like sometimes u gotta think like ur tm8, your going up a wall n u like "oh if i was my tm8, i would like a pretty nice backboard center"

you js gotta be more of a team-adjusted person

putting your tm8 in good situations

[dark vault]

Is the season reset harder this season?|

Dropped to c1 after reset and am finding it hard to climb again

[stuck basalt]

yes

[royal meadow]

To me it is, I usually solo 3'sd (don't ask why) and it does not feel like my teammates or opponents are their rank

Then again Champ is my peak so I can't talk much

[dark vault]

Guess I'll hop on a grind these next few days ;)

[fresh kestrel]

i mean they could wonder that to you aswell