Chaos Zero Nightmare

[lament isle]

Yeah I didn't complete the chaos event last week

It's easier this week tho just twice

[keen hinge]

wait why twice

[lament isle]

They doubled the points per run

[keen hinge]

oh that's nice, i dont know

cause i havent done one yet

lol

[charred vortex]

u aren't going to quit

just like zzz

hsr etc

[wooden eagle]

i didnt say I'll quit

please learn to read

[charred vortex]

hop on Blue archive

[wooden eagle]

not unless theres a way to port my account to steam

without it fucking up like it did last time

[charred vortex]

nexon account?

[wooden eagle]

ya

it doesnt play well with my TFD account

only one can exist

[charred vortex]

oopse

[wooden eagle]

and I'm not switching to my alt steam account just to play blue archive

[charred vortex]

[wooden eagle]

the only other reason to play would be if people were saying the new story arc was good

then I'd go back

but I haven't heard anything so I assume its shit

[charred vortex]

the czn writer who write new story arc

imagine it so good

[wooden eagle]

i dont even know if thats true

people just throw that out there

[charred vortex]

they did say he got poach by Blue archive

after he left

curious tho

[wooden eagle]

yeah but I heard it was for art

so I dont know

dont care

[charred vortex]

well if the story is better, then people will clown on CZN director

more drama

[wooden eagle]

even if he was working as a writer

you dont know how many writers are on blue archive

or which writer wrote what

or if it was collaborative

[charred vortex]

ah ok

but I want some drama and clown on director

[peak torrent]

It’s the one roguelike most people know

[keen hinge]

sts was big and createed many sts like games

[charred vortex]

is it

worth to dupe

also

this chaos event season is ass but I bet after this one will be more better

hopefully

[lament isle]

yeah cos they will be easier to max from the get go

[charred vortex]

are u going to get 2 dupes for sernedia and one partner

I curious how good is the limit partner

[lament isle]

i already got serenial e2

dont think i'll go for partner tho

[charred vortex]

ok

[lament isle]

hmm the story is OK compared to the judas shit

they really did overpromise with the dark atmosphere shit though

man cassius is busted

gonna farm for him agane

[charred vortex]

the director fault tho

I would blame the director because he is the head of the train when u become ego and mihoyo shiller also wuwave

ruined the product

[lament isle]

i dont really care about dark atmosphere but pity for those who do

[charred vortex]

[lament isle]

and yeah hoyoshill director

[charred vortex]

I mean I rather have like limbus and variety

no need to be full dark

even blue archive

have better dark story and good vibe

[lament isle]

i honestly dont really care about dark story anything especially when a gacha does it, it's just sympathy bait for pulling characters anyways

i checked a few sereniel builds at the ranking, seems like there are decent variety

better than tressa era at least

[sweet remnant]

occasionally i imagine a world where we have a non gacha version of genshin

that would be a pretty good game

[charred vortex]

GTA

[charred vortex]

that also true

limbus company have different world

but wizardry also have too

[south marsh]

I came to a realization any game that has characters dressed like whores and wanna suck the main mc dick makes me never wanna bother with rhe story

And when i dont bother with story i usually leave the game quickly

The only exception was counterside where the main cast and story was actually good

[keen hinge]

i rather just read manga for a good story.

[charred vortex]

or this

https://x.com/thealexsylvian/status/2003486228558254204

Sylvian (#1 Skinamarink Fan) (@TheAlexSylvian)

how come we always talk about video game writing and never about book gameplay

X · Dec 23, 2025, 3:21 PM

[upbeat cobalt]

Let me skip this chungus ah story

[charred vortex]

[keen hinge]

idk why there is no skip button

[charred vortex]

the retard director want us to read his favorite slop

not let the writer cooking

so how do u guys beat lvl 11 130 chaos?

farming card efficiency

build

also is the new set good or nah

[south marsh]

Good depending in your saves

[hazy nebula]

why is this garbage gold?

[ionic stream]

holy fuck how do you people find the time to do all the shit in this game

i just did ONE single chaos run and it took hours and that was only 4000/8000 for the weekly bar on the event

i would have to do that twice a week

[hazy nebula]

speedrun it

you can do diff 8 if you want to go faster

its 4k

diff 11 is also 4k

[split cipher]

[wooden eagle]

theres no way one chaos run took hours I refuse to believe that

unless your characters are so undergeared that you have to think hard about each fight

or you're trying to prog highest diff levels

which you dont need to do if you're trying to cap weeklies now

or the real reason which is

the game is boring as shit and everyone should quit

[main falcon]

hours for a chaos run?

🤨

[charred vortex]

don't even try to grind on 11

only do it for clear

shit is aid

and ass

[hazy nebula]

you're supposed to grind 11 for save data

[charred vortex]

u need to max upgrade to survive on grind 11?

[lament isle]

Grind 8 only no? Idt 11 gives anything different than 8

Or are you talking about regular chaos (save data from there are better anyways)

[hazy nebula]

diff 11 gives you more save data

so you can fit more god epiphanies and copies

[wooden eagle]

i thought that was based on tier not diff

[lament isle]

yeah pretty sure it's tier based - i always go for 13 (14 with nightmare)

i think 15 with nightmare is the max but getting 14 is difficult enough as it is

and sereniel you dont even need that much points

[main falcon]

No you don't need to do 11

The most optimal diff is 8

Then you just hunt for tier 13 and do nightmare

[hazy nebula]

oh does diff 8 roll the same tier as diff 11?

thats why i said diff 11

[lament isle]

Yeah, diff 8 has the same topmost limit as diff 11

Maybe it appears more in diff 11 but you can refresh anyways

I think 9-11 is just for accomplishments sake

Cos they really don't give anything

[hazy nebula]

oh then just do diff 11 for clear rewards

and then just spam 8

[lament isle]

If you do 11 each time then yeah it can take hours esp if you use a khalipe mika team never again

[hazy nebula]

i wonder why people say the on ravage homing laser is better than the move

[lament isle]

maybe but idt the differences are as huge as tressa upgrades

i also think move is the best

[wooden eagle]

since diff 9-11 were added in as a patch early on in the season it makes sense that diff 8 is the highest you have to go

for save data

[hazy nebula]

maybe they like the ravage card cause it saves on your L cards

[lament isle]

i like sproot's sheets but the builds will just stress people out

[hazy nebula]

thats the same for any guide that min maxes

[lament isle]

There should be room for guides that give you 500k weekly

"anything can give you 500k" yes but somehow I'm top 10%

Surely a lot of people don't know

But yeah not his fault really and I only check his epiphany analysis

[wooden eagle]

okay time for the slow equip grind for laser girl

[lament isle]

Don't think I can go back to playing other toons after laser girl

Ofc she's OP that's one thing but also so many draws

Or create rather

@wooden eagle https://old.reddit.com/r/ChaosZeroNightmare/comments/1pwiev1/as_someone_with_absolutely_no_concept_of_this/ oh look another StS player syndrome

This one is innocuous at least

[wooden eagle]

[hazy nebula]

yeah they need to tune her damage down a little

not a huge amount

cause people do enjoy broken characters

but just a slight amount

like maybe 10% less damage

so shes still broken

but not as broken

[lament isle]

Yeah I wouldn't mind that

People will bitch though

[keen hinge]

[split cipher]

or boost her dmg 10%

[charred vortex]

try to beat 11

[lament isle]

You choose the easy mods?

[charred vortex]

-60 credit

that is it

[lament isle]

Cos I ain't going with tyrant 4 for sure

Hmm, well that's the fun part

[charred vortex]

[split cipher]

Strictly Prohibited Topics:

• Racism & Hate Speech
• NSFW Content (including NTR and sexualization of minors)
• Owen Drama/NTR related topics

poor owen

[hazy nebula]

next thing they're going to ask for is

a harder roguelike where you can break the game

OWEN!!!!!!!

Dont you dare

[lament isle]

I think the gacha players will push this game to a bad direction

We just enjoy it before that

[charred vortex]

[charred vortex]

is that czn discord?

[charred vortex]

isn't that how epic 7 community ruined their own game?

I bet learn lesson from epic 7 fiasco

[wooden eagle]

we gacha players truly are the worst

[hazy nebula]

thats what happens when you want to please everyone

instead of pleasing the people who genuinely want the experience

look at wizardry daphne

no one is playing that shit

except for the 50 year old gramps

and the 50 year old gramps are enjoying it

which is why its a decent gacha, given its niche community

[lament isle]

Tbf it's difficult to stand your ground when you're in walking distance from the Korean mob

[hazy nebula]

its simple

[split cipher]

[hazy nebula]

you dont spread yourself thin by trying to please everyone

you just tell them what you want to make

and then ignore the others

then that way you at least get the players you want

instead of everyone bitching

like

some people want broken ass combos

some people say its not good

how do you solve that

some people want gooner characters in the game

some people dont want any gooner characters

cause the game was originally dark

[split cipher]

more tits

[hazy nebula]

how do you solve that

some people dont want males (owen)

some people want more husbandos

[lament isle]

The "dark story" is truly a misstep

[hazy nebula]

just do what brown dust 2 does

people know its a gooner game

so they just make gooner shit

its honestly way better to havea niche community but a more polished/focused game

[split cipher]

no males and furries = good

[hazy nebula]

than a popular but no one knows what is happening game

at least from a players point of view

i guess it makes sense for a business to want everyone to maximize profits

[split cipher]

personaly i dont like gooner shit but i dont like male/furries either

[hazy nebula]

i dont mind either

if it goes gooner or not

[split cipher]

make game for gays and furries instead of making every game gay friendly

[hazy nebula]

cause some non gooner costumes look cool

[lament isle]

that's the post hoyo conundrum

More target market more money

But more money more problems

Now we get the husbando wanters than will never leave

[split cipher]

netflix strat and i hate it

[lament isle]

[split cipher]

every netflix series has gay couple and every ethnecity

[hazy nebula]

e7 doesnt have omega gooner skins or characters

and most of them look pretty cool

the only one is probably setsuka but thats part of her character

maybe lady too

[lament isle]

To the outside world it doesn't look like it tbf

Like I knew E7 firstly because of Luna

[hazy nebula]

pretty sure

sereniel is the most gooner thing they have shown from supercreative

and its not even close

[lament isle]

Just like those trickcal players are weird too in the real world

[hazy nebula]

the next unit after narja is not even on the same level of gooner as sereniel

[lament isle]

Loading screen yes but design wise sereniels not as lewd

[hazy nebula]

yeah, she has exposed under boob in a gym outfit

[upbeat cobalt]

sereniel giving me Cinderella vibes ngl

[charred vortex]

how weird are trickal players are?

[lament isle]

As in people think they're weird

[hazy nebula]

how the hell does SG always do it

how do they always make the most dogshit packs

30% cheaper than genshin btw

[ionic stream]

well believe it, it just takes time, i tab out, i tab back in, it ends up taking a lot of time man

weeklies in events seems like a super bad idea for this game

[wooden eagle]

why are you tabbing in and out

[ionic stream]

as game designer you absolutely want to be sparing with how much chaos you make players do or else they will just end up quitting from fatigue

[ionic stream]

because i have adhd

need more stimulation

[wooden eagle]

okay

i dont see how thats the games problem

[ionic stream]

so i guess this means you musta been doing the weekly every week to get all event rewards

so that also sucks

yeah these devs are not cooking

[wooden eagle]

i took a break for two weeks and I've got the main stuff in the shop

I think you're just finding an excuse to quit the game

which I'm all for

we should all quit the agme

[ionic stream]

i am not

im not at the point of quitting

yet

just telling it how im seeing it

but yeah im probably at the point of quitting

[wooden eagle]

[hazy nebula]

the thing is

you dont HAVE to do it

you are just in your fomo phase

just clear out the most important items

like pulls

[ionic stream]

at least im actually doing the event story now

holy shit

but all these hot anime chicks test my willpower

[hazy nebula]

theres a lot to do for the story

[south marsh]

Then use the the picture mode for videos while playing the game, you can put the small screen below hp bar and buff on top left it usually doesnt block any important information over there

[lament isle]

I'm ngl every time sereniel talks in the story i feel something mang

[ionic stream]

the first thing i notice when doing the story is SHES SO TALL

[lament isle]

Yeah ||whatever treatment they gave her|| worked too well

Not like it matters whether I spoil or not lmao

[ionic stream]

also her in the story really reminds me of some character from an anime idk which. the whole shtick with "incredibly powerful but inexperienced so could walk into a trap or lose control of her powers"

[lament isle]

Yeah she's 1 step away from corruption independent manga

[ionic stream]

mentally unstable girls they have 2 wolves inside them

[lament isle]

She almost killed the next banner girls too

[ionic stream]

oh i know who she reminds me of. priscilla from claymore (one of few animes ive seen)

(also read the manga and it was big so no hate)

[lament isle]

[ionic stream]

that smug smile she does

[lament isle]

When I stopped autistically playing gachas and roguelikes

I will

[ionic stream]

what a nice smile

surely no psychopathic thoughts

[lament isle]

And they'll pull a wuwa with her and not show her in the next patch

[ionic stream]

of course

gachas - the one great evil mankind created

i really think honk3 was cooking the way they released multiple different versions (battlesuits) of the same characters. that lets you do the gacha thing releasing new chars regularly, without drowning the story with characters that wont get screen time

[lament isle]

I think that's the limbussy way too that's why so many people like it's story

I ain't ever gonna play it tho

[sweet remnant]

i want to play this game but i can't motivate myself to do even 1 chaos anymore

ping me when they make it less time consuming

[ionic stream]

many such cases. sad!

[lament isle]

I'm spamming chaos now cos of sereniel

By 3rd week I'll not gonna do anything but imma LV 30 every planet while I still have my motivation

[craggy steeple]

wonder if we'll ever get another gacha that tries that

wonder if we'll ever get another peak story gacha

[wooden eagle]

just go read a VN

[craggy steeple]

vn's a one and done kinda shit, the shit about gacha is that you can always expect more shit whether it's more shit or not

i aint tryna get invested into chars that i'll only be experiencing at most a week

i think i'll let this game simmer, it's not doing it for me no more sitting on top of 400 pulls, only char i really had fun with was renoa, hope they'll release some more fun/ char soon
never really was into mechs

[wooden eagle]

another one down

everyone else keep quitting

[peak torrent]

Just post a woman outside the office they are terrified of real ones

Limbus truly was goated when they decided to keep the same cast throughout the story

[bold grail]

Just watch someone play it for you

[sweet remnant]

dude

what is this sereniel home screen

it's just porn

[lament isle]

i hate reading people playing it even more

[lament isle]

yes i have to remember to change it before i go outside

[bold grail]

Just play limbus then

[lament isle]

i'm not that desperate to read gacha story

[wooden eagle]

i dont really care if you play limbus I think its funny if you dont

[peak torrent]

The story is quite good for gaming as a medium

[wooden eagle]

but I do think its funnier that you've spent time reading the czn story

[peak torrent]

Although I think games generally have bad story

[lament isle]

the skip is kinda shit and i read quite fast anyways so i more or less know the story

[wooden eagle]

disabling skip actually made someone read

[lament isle]

unfortunately yes

and i kinda was thinking with my dick on sereniel so i read that part

[bold grail]

Limbus not goonable enough for skoomah to make him read

[lament isle]

i did read chrono ark and i wouldnt say theres anyone goonable

i would play first then read the story though i wouldnt play a game just for the story

if that makes sense

[south marsh]

If boss kills gave a select for copy card most people would feel far more motivated to do a run, but if your gonna get something absolutely ass their is 0 motivation to play more

[wooden eagle]

the incentive is to get currency to get pull currency to get your future waifu

and then your next future waifu

and then the next future waifu

and then the next future husbando

[south marsh]

Im doing bare minimum nowadays

[wooden eagle]

and hten your ne- LIMITED LIMITED ITS A LIMITED BANNER PULL NOW NOW NOW NOW

[bold grail]

They should kill them all

[south marsh]

Farming save = disappointment

[south marsh]

The problem is game feels very less rewarding and even doing level 30 exploration on existing planets is boring

Save ass, resources minimal, exploration rewards also super rng

Foretold ruin is so aids to get level 30 exploration

[wooden eagle]

just quit

[lament isle]

yeah if youre not having fun just drop it

[ionic stream]

this game's flaws seem quite apparent

i think its all just down to the director meddling too much and not letting people cook

[wooden eagle]

its more that people take the game too seriously during season 1

i mean i personally dont think the 8000 weekly points is a big deal with the update

but thegreat rift was the real backbreaker

once the leaderboard came in everyone went ape shit

uma-tier grinding

without the self control to just not do it

[ionic stream]

im speaking more generally ofc

[wooden eagle]

i am too

[ionic stream]

well, issues like character builds being shallow isnt really tied to "people taking the game too seriously during season 1"

[wooden eagle]

it amplifies it

no one cared before because there was no meta to try to reach for

except 'beat chaos dungeon at high tier diff'

[ionic stream]

well, it could also be that putting stress on the game system makes people realize this flaw exists

[wooden eagle]

well thats what I was saying

[ionic stream]

it doesnt mean the flaw doesnt exist if you just play casually, just that you dont notice it as much

well, i guess it doesnt matter

im sure if you play sts super hardcore then that game also boils down to a few meta builds

its very difficult to design game systems that dont ever break down

[sweet remnant]

80 cost for every non character card was a huge blunder

[ionic stream]

why is that, mr. ent

[sweet remnant]

can't use any of them

it's just gear bags and character cards

monster cards are fun

but not 80 points worth of fun

[lament isle]

100%

will also give some variations to the builds

i think there's only 1 monster card that is super strong, the kefyx or whatever

as it is I only use monster card when pushing for diff 11 for the first time clear

[sweet remnant]

there are some upgrade and exhaust epiphanies that would probably see more use if we didnt ruin the entire characters dynamic by thinning out the deck

monster cards could be interesting if we could use them

[lament isle]

yeah honestly there have been some baffling decisions

im grinding the game as is but it is one of the most "what could have been" gachas

but i think it's just smilegate's trademark to deliver scuffed ass products

[keen hinge]

the point limit is the game killer for me

cant make a fun deck

[ionic stream]

[keen hinge]

remove 1 cost 10 remove another cost idk what the fuck

i dont wanna play this while opening calculator and shit

[ionic stream]

maybe if you need calculator its a sign youre putting too much effort into a silly gacha game

[short rune]

I don't even reach 8000 points since I'm too lazy/don't have time sometimes

I wish they'd put all the other planets on the season chaos tho, doing lab zero is

[peak torrent]

It’s rly dogshit balance

This kinda what u expect from sg though

Poorly thought out balance decisions

Until recently they didn’t even understand meta in e7

[charred vortex]

ok I clear

11

[lament isle]

yeah thats what im doing now (2 lab 0s now), then im done for now

also i can only finish first half hell boss in 10 turns so tanky

i think i have to build cheese ass tressa

[hazy nebula]

cant believe there are still people saying that tressa cassius shouldnt be nerfed

their reasoning is, I spent time farming save data on it

like no shit you spent 5 days farming it

you know that combo is a cheat comp

if it was a decent comp that did decent damage you wouldnt have spent 5 days farming it

abuse cheat comp = surprised its getting changed

[charred vortex]

just a bunch of retard

who love cheating

and easy game

don't want to use brain

[lament isle]

lol never underestimate gacha brain

they want to grind, but not grind at the same time

id say we have a pretty good mileage with tressa cassius

im still gonna farm for a (relatively) broken tressa even knowing the nerf

[lament isle]

but honestly though idk how to pass the first half of hell boss without a broken tressa. mei lin maybe? but also needs to farm

[hazy nebula]

funny how some people want an auto chaos button

where you sweep a chaos run

[charred vortex]

gacha brain rott

[hazy nebula]

why are they even playing the game

[charred vortex]

I only want sweep on farming mats and gear

[hazy nebula]

they said there wont be a sweep for simulation

[charred vortex]

[hazy nebula]

but you do 1 stage that will equal 3 stages

[charred vortex]

ok

[lament isle]

this is stella sora, and i don't mind those kinds of games too but if czn becomes that - gacha gamers and roguelikes can never coexist for sure

[lament isle]

yeahh this is so annoying to do rn. at least the time will be cut super short

[sweet remnant]

i would love a single route version of chaos where i can just turn my brain off and make decisions as the game gives them to me

instead of trying to jenga through every route

[mild sky]

chaos is the only fun thing in this game people actually play this for basin

[lament isle]

i even forgot last time

[mild sky]

smh

daemon corrupting u

[lament isle]

what i feel is they shouldn't mandate clear every week like they do rn, that just causes burnout

i know for myself sometimes im running through a million chaos in 1 day but won't do anything for the rest of the week (or the next)

oh and they also force us to do lab zero too which doesn't work i think, they should change it next season to allow all chaos to contribute points

[hazy nebula]

you dont have to do lab 0

you can do zero systems

but zero systems cost credits to reroll

unless you are using those chaos currency

[lament isle]

for the weekly points i think only lab 0 give them

[hazy nebula]

oh

i havent tried zero systems ever since they added lab 0

is it only seasonal data thats shared

[lament isle]

seasonal data can be gotten from zero systems now yeah - as long as you go into the forbidden portal i think (i never not go into those so havent tested)

but the points are only from lab 0. yes they have to give incentive to run lab 0 - but i would've run it anyways if it isn't so dogshit in terms of copying skills

[keen hinge]

i always enter the portal. guess it is bad huh

[wooden eagle]

the dimension portal is good you should go in all the time

[lament isle]

I always do

I meant I think if you don't enter the portal in non-lab0, you can't use the save data for seasonal, but why won't you

I just typed in a stream of consciousness so mightve been unclear 😓

The encounters inside are also on the easy side so it's a good place to mindbreak + recover

[keen hinge]

ah

ok ok

[split cipher]

i opened a tier14 lab0 and i cant see a single fucking event in the tunnel only mobs

no clue what to do not sure if its a bug or im very unlucky past 5 runs

any knowers?

[lament isle]

Yeah happens sometimes

I got them twice in a row

Five in a row is super unlucky tho

[hazy nebula]

you should always go into the portal

also you should always take the action to unlock the extra boss in the portal

but on the credit version not the epiphany one

they buffed the extra boss

[split cipher]

i had a tier 14 i fucked it up by finishing my run without knowing i didnt open discords last boss

i got another tier14 i didnt see a single event so far on that one previous one i didnt see a single mob on exterior

kinda weird

[hazy nebula]

it usually happens in the inner for me

[wooden eagle]

the game play structure for these story quests are dumb

you go into a dungeon

get epiphanies and shit

but theres no boss at the end

like they separate the boss to its own stage

so all the epiphanies are meaningless

[hazy nebula]

i think its to just give you a feel of the character

in certain premade comps

[wooden eagle]

i'm just saying

you can do that within the stage where you go into the chaos dungeon

i dunno it makes more sense to me

that you fight the boss in the dungeon as you get stuff

as a game

instead of separating it as its own stage with presets

[lament isle]

yeh i thought haku would be the boss in the roguelike

[hazy nebula]

its probably to get a feel for clearing the floor

and then get a feel for beating a boss

[lament isle]

i guess they don't want people fucking up and then can't clear

[hazy nebula]

cause if you somehow manage to fail at the boss

then you fail the stage

(gacha players might actually lose)

[lament isle]

and yes people can and do fuck up

[wooden eagle]

[lament isle]

there must be a more elegant way tho

like if you cant beat him then allow the option of the premade builds

[wooden eagle]

just do some bullshit time loop shit

thats what the power is there for

[lament isle]

baaaat chrono ark all koreans know how to do is time loop

[woeful forge]

I failed every single 50/50 for the banners i pulled for

5th Veronica

[wooden eagle]

holy shit

[lament isle]

zamn

[lament isle]

praise be to hoyo

[wooden eagle]

so how does this greatrift work now

[woeful forge]

I'm going to uninstall this dogshit like how it was with diene and epic 7. Diene was the 1st limited unit and i didn't get her

The cycle repeats

[lament isle]

Use Tressa or mei Lin on 1st half and sereniel for the 2nd

Except first half seems tanky as hell

Or maybe I'm just under geared

[hazy nebula]

how did you uninstall for diene

shes a RGB

you have infinite RGB pulls

and moonlight units didnt even exist back then

i guess there wasnt pity back then

actually

wasnt there already pity back then

how did you not get her

did you not save or something

[woeful forge]

I had holy Trinity

[hazy nebula]

oh

you wasted all your pulls on 3*

[woeful forge]

And i pulled for the black knight lancer girl

And epic 7 was pretty much my 1st gacha that i acknowledged

Which mean i was complete newbie

[wooden eagle]

yeah seems somewhat tanky

[hazy nebula]

i see

this monetization is way worse than e7

sadly

you can legit just get every unit in e7 for free

with the exception of the moonlights

you get minimum 4 moonlight units a year on average

for starters, they shouldnt have even followed hoyos split banners of combatant/partner

and made it 1 banner so you could get lucky with hitting the partner

[wooden eagle]

okay I guess I'll try to farm a tressa build next week if I feel like it

[hazy nebula]

but they wanted to double dip the pulls

[lament isle]

Ok I managed to deal with it with a god tressa

[wooden eagle]

i ahve to play tressa

chizuru should be enough why cant she be enough

[lament isle]

I have to show it off

[lament isle]

That's why redditors who are against nerfs are retarded

Tressa (and Cassius) blocks so many design spaces

I fucked up a lot and I scored decently Okayge, I think I have to build Serena if I want to get a higher score, might as well

Unemployed fighting hard

[main falcon]

Idk why

Base crit rate is friggin 3%

[hazy nebula]

cause they brainstormed that 50% chance to crit is good

lets build gear that has a chance of working

[south marsh]

Im pretty sure some people were rerolling for ml ken and arbiterer vildred during launch

[south marsh]

Why is the extra boss worth getting every time now?

I have noticed that daily and doing chaos for exploration is aight but grinding on chaos and the rift mode is unbearable i deadass prefer basin over rift

[lament isle]

1 mil with this garbage deck now I just need to actually gear up Cassius lol I missed so much points from his shit gear

Maybe actually use Serena too

Time to actually level Serena up now that there's a good reason other than her bunny outfit

[main falcon]

Because it's another chance to get a mythic equipment on top of another dellang shop and procing epiphanies

It's so good now

[lament isle]

I still farm copies outside lab zero I think it's better for my blood pressure

[main falcon]

I accidentally got a decent chizuru save while farming for sereniel

[lament isle]

You love to see it

Personally I always farm for 2/3 characters and pivot depending on first copy

I'd be so pissed if I farm only for Tressa let's say

[hazy nebula]

I love it when I have to run +3 pieces cause I literally can't enhance

Amazing gearing system SG

Keep copying mihoyo slop

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-monkey-dancing-monkey-vibing-monkey-jumping-monkey-vibe-check-gif-27025323

[main falcon]

I still have a decent amount

Might change once I try to build Hugo though

Actually losing so much damage from missing E6

[wooden eagle]

I kinda wanna get the 2nd dupe off serenial

i got lucky with my first dupe I feel like I may as well cash it in

[median trench]

back to this game, got new char and khalipe, who do I use her with?

[wooden eagle]

you spam a lot of attacks with her so dmg buffers work well like rei

serena seems to work well with her with the mark mechanic

[median trench]

need to get lvl40

[wooden eagle]

other people probably have better combos

[median trench]

how much exp is event gives

[wooden eagle]

i had a good time using chizuru with her

because some of serenniels moves take a decent amount of AP

or you could swap with mika

[median trench]

[wooden eagle]

and she also ravages really easily so it lessens the ap issue

[lament isle]

Anyone really sereniel is busted

[lament isle]

My favourite is indeed sereniel Chizuru rei too bad they aren't the most powerful because Cassius exists

[median trench]

[wooden eagle]

k i'm getting that dupe

she deserves it

[main falcon]

Seems like the best time to use omega code

I feel like omega codes will be given out generously from time to time possibly even on off seasons

Just like in E7

And it will be a good practice to just use them on limiteds

[sweet remnant]

i forgot about omega code

should i use it to get e1 sereniel

[lament isle]

id say so, even better if e2

i mean yall are on the verge of quitting so why not use it now

(also why i never make long term plans in gacha)

[sweet remnant]

I did quit

I came back to pull new character and see if my apathy towards the game subsided

[main falcon]

Get busy with other games. Idk why ppl keep grinding ts

[sweet remnant]

i've been playing smt 5

really enjoying it

[wooden eagle]

i used my pity pull currency to get the limited dupe from the shop

my omega code is for yuki one day years from now

[main falcon]

I've also been playing BG3

[wooden eagle]

the better game

[main falcon]

And honestly not playing this game constantly makes the burnout non existent

[wooden eagle]

i was replaying potionomics for a bit

this hard mode better be good

otherwise I'll be disappointed again for atelier-like gameplay

[median trench]

is it possible to clear up shop in 16d?

[wooden eagle]

how many shops we talking

you should at least be able to get all the high cost ones I think

assuming you do everything

[median trench]

[lament isle]

whatever you do dont buy the small currency to upgrade weapon you cant convert it for god knows what reason

[median trench]

[median trench]

early

[fast lodge]

Dude, 500 cap is so fkin stupid

[remote pagoda]

that is way too low

specially how shit grinding those are

[fast lodge]

I should've expected it from E7 devs

[remote pagoda]

not every korean game company is project moon

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-sad-depressed-devastated-gif-18189898943098101552

[fast lodge]

altho finally got em all

[south marsh]

With so much of the blue currency from abyss and also of craft gear currency i built 2 unit 6 gears without farming gear stages

[south marsh]

Lost 50/50 and got reona e2

And I'm done , what a disappointment this game was

[charred vortex]

[hazy nebula]

🦆 🚬

[wooden eagle]

that will have to do

[wooden eagle]

senmetsu senmetsu senmetsu senmetsu senmetsu senmetsu senmetsu senmetsu senmetsu senmetsu senmetsu senmetsu senmetsu senmetsu senmetsu

it was okay

i shouldn't have taken that prop virus that was dumb

[hazy nebula]

yeah

i think all the neutrals are dogshit

with the exception of some card draw ones

i think gear bag is kinda dogshit too

takes up a slot of copy

[main falcon]

Yeah i stopped buying gear bags and reorganize

Farming = skip them
Winning a run = buy them

[wooden eagle]

i'm pretty sure I could have made a sereniel deck that would have been good enough to set me for the rest of the game

if I didnt get that neutral

oh well

still does crazy amounts of damage

[hazy nebula]

even if you want to win

you can just dodge it

do you can chance a good copy on the first boss

i guess on inner you can pick up some gear bags

[lament isle]

For sereniel just take the 0 cost ones they're alright. But also kinda filler

Really you don't need that many points for sereniel, mine is 80 and kinda baller (just need the same one with cube)

I think every epi is fine but the shining core upgrade is far too good

[hazy nebula]

yeah you need the upgrade or sereniel doesnt really work

[wooden eagle]

yeah

[hazy nebula]

cant keep the chain going

[wooden eagle]

its actually too good they should nerf it

[hazy nebula]

nah

she has no way to reliably generate Ls

and all her cards work off Ls

not the non-Ls

they will need to buff the other epiphanies to generate Ls

if they want to nerf that upgrade

but that upgrade is basically mandatory

so its in a weird spot

maybe keep it as a base effect?

so then you dont need to always get it

[lament isle]

Best case scenario is you copy shining core and get 1 upgrade and 1 skill (or both the different upgrades Ig)

But even jus the upgrade is good

[hazy nebula]

then change the epiphanies to something else

its like the tressa upgrade

where you always want it

it should have just been a base effect

[lament isle]

I mean to clear chaos you don't need it so it's okay but yeah it's the one epi that's they're dropping the ball again

[hazy nebula]

then change the epiphanies to something else

[lament isle]

The base effect shd be the generation on break and epiphanies do different things, I suppose

[hazy nebula]

cause sereniel attack spamming is what people are probably playing her for

besides her being broken as a standalone character

If they don't want attack spammers then they shouldn't make epiphanies that generate attack cards that cost 0 ap

Looking at kayron

[main falcon]

🪵

[hazy nebula]

Owena

😳

[lament isle]

Man I hate how regular chaos don't give me points

I don't want to go to lab 0 I need card copies

And yeah lab 0 card copy sucks monkey cock

[wooden eagle]

great so now its a woman cucking me instead

the koreans were right FUCK women

[charred vortex]

🤏

[lament isle]

Turned into a woman and immediately doing the cuck sign

[hazy nebula]

get me out!!!!

i keep accidently clicking on the story

[lament isle]

[median trench]

do you lvl this

[hazy nebula]

you only need to level unique

and get the last node on the top right

and crit and crit dam

and the big node in the middle

its quite cheap for that

[median trench]

[lament isle]

damn sereniel is so broken

i fucked up and broke link before the boss and she 2-turned it anyways

[hazy nebula]

Yeah she's super broken

It's cause she does too much damage per card

So it quickly snowball

I think having her spam that many lasers is fine if the damage wasn't so high

[main falcon]

I think they should delete sereniel

[sweet remnant]

I'm gonna be so real right now

delete sereniel's leotard

[lament isle]

i will never understand leotard non-enjoyer

[median trench]

is confiscation good

[wooden eagle]

it can be

its a free draw

[median trench]

have 2 gear bags already

[wooden eagle]

better if you have a forbidden card obviously

if you have a team that gets benefits from drawing then why not get it

otherwise its just neutral

at the cost of save data points

and wastes an action count

[median trench]

[lament isle]

god confiscation

and yes id say its one of the better neutral esp. if you're using other DPS forbidden cards (or even eternal hunger)

[median trench]

save brought back basic cards and deleted 1 snack

how does it work

[lament isle]

deck thinning at worst too

[wooden eagle]

theres a tutorial that tells you

[lament isle]

well, there are points allocated to actions that you do

[wooden eagle]

basically you have a save data points cap

and if you go over, it starts removing stuff/adding back basics

until the points balance out

no way to predict its just random until points are equal

[median trench]

[wooden eagle]

just read the tutorial it'll tell you exactly what points get added for which deck building actions

and in the run it'll show you the count if you check your party status

[median trench]

[lament isle]

i made this calculator for myself when they hadn't added the data points cap in the menu, it's some nerd shit

[main falcon]

basically since you're doing Lab 0, rush to difficulty 8 as fast as you can\

that's where you farm your save data

since it provides the percect balance of max faint memory and it's pretty doable

[median trench]

what is chaos orbs

[main falcon]

chaos orbs are the blue thingy, used for upgrading your zero system

[median trench]

[main falcon]

yeah it's overwhelming at first

[median trench]

ig, can save omega code for later

[wooden eagle]

2 dupe is all you need anyway that shit is good

[median trench]

standard

[charred vortex]

how to get core discord in lab 0

[median trench]

what 3rd one does?

[lament isle]

Will lead you to another boss room after the wolf boss

You have two chances to pick the void option, if this is the first room id suggest pick the epiphany and choose that option in the more mid choices like gold or stress reduction

[median trench]

[median trench]

monster cards = bad, right?

[median trench]

got this

[raven dove]

Those don't take data

Monster cards you get from elites

Good for run not for deck saving

[hazy nebula]

i didnt do the ego part so i failed it

https://tenor.com/view/omgbruh-corey-harris-omg-bruh-zoom-court-gif-2693074222613527227

i know all her secrets

[main falcon]

6.6k HP

🤨

[hazy nebula]

thats the story mission

for the event

[lament isle]

(again) they did a bad job demonstrating her kit, ive been too conditioned to use her ult after i got enough lasers

[main falcon]

That's even worse

How do you mindbreak in story mission

[lament isle]

they auto mindbreak you

[hazy nebula]

yeah

you start off mindbroken

[main falcon]

I dont remember it

[hazy nebula]

its the event

day 7

just need 1 more piece, blease give me the piece

[charred vortex]

when the event and update up?

drop rate and stimulation

[hazy nebula]

idk

probably new years day

[charred vortex]

ok

[raven dove]

Noob!

@hazy nebula

[hazy nebula]

wtf!!!

[main falcon]

hesNoob

[hazy nebula]

idk which one is better

1 for double draw

or 3 for straight damage

[charred vortex]

depend

if you have other cards able to draw more horning laser could it for damage

or tenacity damage

or straight up damage

[hazy nebula]

i just grabbed the more damage

[hazy nebula]

did they nerf confiscation neutral card chance or something

[lament isle]

Both pretty good but yeah I'd pick the laser one too it can pop off

[hazy nebula]

i havent seen that card in a long ass time

[sweet remnant]

almost good sereniel deck

honestly probably good enough

[hazy nebula]

should try to get rid of the basics

cause they clog up the deck for more overpowered cards like the homing laser

or pale shooting star

actually all her unique cards are broken

[sweet remnant]

is it worth cloning the upgrade

[hazy nebula]

you cant

its unique

[sweet remnant]

oh i see

[hazy nebula]

you want to close homing lasers with the on ravage or at the start of the turn

[sweet remnant]

recycling lasers upgrade is pretty OP after a couple of rounds

[hazy nebula]

the reason why that homing laser is good is cause it pulls it into your hand so instead of 5 cards a turn, you start with 6 or 7 or 8 or 9

also since its not an exhaust homing laser, it means you can have more uses out of your homing laser Ls since you can't spamming them more

[sweet remnant]

I should also farm her memory fragment set right

the 50% damage on ravaged

[hazy nebula]

the only bad thing about it is that its only 1 afterglow

yeah the ravage set is good

222 is also good

i like the on ravage or start of turn homing laser

or move all from graveyard

[sweet remnant]

do higher difficulties of memory fragment stages increase drop rate?

[hazy nebula]

idk

probably not

its probably just more money

[sweet remnant]

fragments too

im just gonna do it for that

[lament isle]

bruh my lab zero run ended with 4 skills not epiphanied

fuck this place

i did my 2 for the week and not going back there again

[hazy nebula]

you got scammed

[median trench]

oh, removing mutant card doesn't cost faint memory

[hazy nebula]

which mutant card

mutant sample?

[median trench]

yeah, I think

you convert into it

[hazy nebula]

you dont need to remove it

mutant sample doesnt get saved into your save data

you want to convert your basic cards with it

cause convert is cheaper than remove on a basic

[median trench]

it doesn't cost with convert either

[hazy nebula]

yeah but removal of a basic costs like 30 or something

compared to removing a unique card

[median trench]

it's 20 on first

[hazy nebula]

or rare

[median trench]

100 on all

[hazy nebula]

its +20 if its a basic card

or a card with an epiphany

so first removal is

0 + 20 if its a basic

if its not a basic card, its just 0

or is it epiphany as in non-basics

all i know is that removing a basic card is more expensive than removing a non-basic card

i think people converted basic cards into a neutral

and then removed the neutral to be slightly cheaper than straight removing the basic

but mutant sample doesnt save so its extra efficient

[median trench]

[hazy nebula]

i think epiphany card in this case is just the unique cards from the character (non-neutral cards)

[lament isle]

i got a high score with this anyways, imagine if i got epiphanies for all skills

i think my nia team hits a wall, no choice but to use serena to push higher

[median trench]

🫡

[hoary sluice]

Boy or girl

[median trench]

I need his dupes

[median trench]

[lament isle]

kinda goodge i suppose

i never used him

[median trench]

he'd be benched for a long time

[lament isle]

since sereniel came out i havent used any other dps

[median trench]

I need to get giga mei lin for 2 team content shit

[lament isle]

giga mei lin and tressa and you'll be able to handle anything (tressa's nerfed soon tho)

[median trench]

she's at 0 dupes

[median trench]

this should be fine, should've removed mei ult mb

[ionic stream]

yeah renoa shouldnt quit her day job to become a poet

better stick to shooting stuff with her gun, shes much better at that

[sweet remnant]

I felt an urge to tell a video game character to shut up when I read that

[lament isle]

sorry renoa im taken by sereniel you can have Ow*n

[ionic stream]

loyal to his wife

[median trench]

:Cooked:

removed epiphany on quick shelling

[hazy nebula]

no 2x for trash????

https://tenor.com/view/dr-disrespect-angry-slam-mad-pissed-gif-11351877

[raven dove]

bro you can only run it 6x

so dumb

why not infinite

[hazy nebula]

doesnt matter

dont have infinite tears

probably only limited it so you have to log in tomorrow

[raven dove]

i mean that's so ass when do i spend the tears then

[hazy nebula]

yeah

it seems like theres no purpose in saving tears

[sweet remnant]

I'm really not sure what to use this on other than exp mats

those seem to be the hardest to get

[hazy nebula]

exp mats are whatever

its potential

you can play the game on level 50

60 is just icing on the cake

potentials is the "hardest"

cause you need to grind so much

[sweet remnant]

don't you want 55 for the last potential unlock

[hazy nebula]

each character probably needs like 2-3 weeks worth of energy in potential farming

they do have events/shops for each new character that drops so it might be a bit less idk

the last node is usually important yeah

[sweet remnant]

even 55 is super annoying compared to 50

[hazy nebula]

but the unique/crit/crit dam nodes

are usually more important

[sweet remnant]

yeah

[hazy nebula]

like if you just take serenial for example

+10 on the unique card upgrade is +20%

while the last node is +10% if you have 30%+ crit

[sweet remnant]

+20% if you have 60% crit iirc

[hazy nebula]

15%

10%+5%

[sweet remnant]

ah

still not insignificant for a single node

[hazy nebula]

it is good

but if you had to prioritize then i would just get the unique one first

[sweet remnant]

i usually end up finishing the 10/10 nodes first anyway because they're so much faster to do

[hazy nebula]

cause to get the last node, you have to level cap break, then level up to 55 so thats even more mats

and then you have to unlock the node

unique is already unlocked

[upbeat cobalt]

Who should I pick, Veronica or Mei?

When I hit pity.

[hazy nebula]

veronica has infinite more value at e0

luke is only good if you get e4 or something

and even then, you can just use any other dps

[upbeat cobalt]

Is Veronica the one that makes it easier to build save data

[hazy nebula]

veronica is hard to replace as a support

idk

but veronica is the one that is broken as a support

cause she cycles through your deck

and gets your main dps attack cards

[upbeat cobalt]

Yea I knew it was either mei or veronica that was broken just wasn't sure.

[hazy nebula]

thats why some people do 0 card decks

2 0 card decks

[upbeat cobalt]

I'll get Veronica when I hit pity

[hazy nebula]

and 1 main dps deck

that way the deck is smaller and you only pull your dps cards

[upbeat cobalt]