Chaos Zero Nightmare

[main falcon]

Good idea, send it to CS

[wary needle]

surely it wont take em 1 week of dev time to recreate

it actually looks perfect in the ui

I was thinking of other games and remembered wuwa, although had all the info on one screen which helped remember sets, it was so convoluted with text walls

[hazy nebula]

its great to know that my 2 weeks of just dumping energy into memory fragments

gave me 2 pieces that are just barely usable

(im being picky)

my barely usable pieces

[sterile snow]

i still dont have a good void goblet

[hazy nebula]

so bare that its actually

i forgot about my monthly "free" pulls from the shop

time to do some pulls

[main falcon]

HOLY

Shame i didnt get the epiphany on ballad

[lament isle]

You know the story in lab 0 is actually pretty decent

Too bad they screwed up in the main story so I can't take it seriously anymore

Also I got a mika save data with 3 wanderers

I'm gonna fuck Judas up real soon

[lament isle]

I dont understand renoa yet but grats

[lament isle]

Btw what's Yuki's gear set? 2/2/2 ok?

I'm assuming Chizuru is also 2/2/2

[main falcon]

Yuki is 4 pc Order Set + Cdam/Attack

[lament isle]

https://tenor.com/view/order-speaker-disrupted-the-guardian-gif-14383444

[main falcon]

When you read the Trauma Code, you'd also notice that the stories are quite good.

But then the supposed to be main story writer left

So we are left with this main story slop

[lament isle]

Main story is literally gag anime...

I don't mind gags but they do them too much

[main falcon]

I'm assuming the side stories and trauma code were kept as is but the previous main story was scrapped

[lament isle]

Yeah idk why the main story has totally different vibes vs the rest. Goes without saying I prefer the rest

My conspiracy thinking is the hoyo fanboy CEO wanted to PG-13ify it

Cos they're afraid it won't sell if it's too 'mature'

[main falcon]

That doesnt make sense

Right from the get go it was sold as dark themed

And people were actually praising and hyped because of that

[lament isle]

He probably thought it's too much

Seems to tie in to the general hoyofication of systems too

But yeah it's just conspiratorial

0 proof just like the Koreans

[mild sky]

global schzio with hoyo while korea schizo with owe n

there is no winning

[wooden eagle]

what a scuffed build this run but I won

we call it the BDSM build

[wooden eagle]

i think one more week of potential and gear grinding and my chizuru will be pretty okay

and then I work on tressa

[peak torrent]

Wow I’m so worried about making my game too good for the common people to understand

[raven dove]

https://fxtwitter.com/artemis_epic7/status/1996449383240650970

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[south marsh]

I already main rin she is dupe 3 ill rather have max dupe rin instead of these bums

[south marsh]

But there is in game evidence for hoyo shitification and the director admitting he glazes hoyo (looks up to them)

All my units are e0 except void bums

I probably e4 my rin

[ionic stream]

why never use? are you autistic?

just use whoever is good and fun

[south marsh]

Too much stuff to raise i dont have exp, gear and potential maybe after 3 months ill have time for them, i dont need another void dps

[wooden eagle]

do you not remember his old name

this game is great we're so resource constrained theres no point pulling because you cant play them anyway

just save and work on your existing roster

[craggy steeple]

reorganize shows up a LOT more than gear bag for some reason

yea rushing lvl 25 mist ruins definitely be a priority

[main falcon]

Im actually pissed off

I got like e15 tressa

[craggy steeple]

damn

[main falcon]

Couldnt get my last rei fucking dupe

[craggy steeple]

why cant I get that many tressa before getting chizuru

[craggy steeple]

how many chizurus u got now?

[main falcon]

Just 1

Im on soft pity now

I cant get any further

[craggy steeple]

debating whether i should keep going just to get the dupes

[wary needle]

for tressa?

which dupe r u at

[craggy steeple]

tressa & rei both

tressa like 1 n rei is at 3

[south marsh]

I started from e3 tress and e1 rei, 5 dupes of rei got me 2 chizuru, kayron and 6 tressa unlucky

[sterile snow]

E1 tressa is all u need

e6 rei is nice tho

[wooden eagle]

first time I ever got 100%

[noble quartz]

is e6 tressa even worth it

i have e5

it looks like it has such low impact if im not missing something

maybe in long boss fights with summons i guess

did it anyway, took like 8 pulls

[craggy steeple]

hoooly shit

i haven't seen meilin's move card in like 6 runs

tf is this shit ass luck

bruh cmooon

why'd meilin gotta be the one that go crazy

[main falcon]

i think the one who goes crazy is the one with highest stress bar

according to my experience at least

[craggy steeple]

she literally just got out of mindbroken the turn before

[main falcon]

she could've tanked the hits after she broke out

[craggy steeple]

maybe

[ionic stream]

classic owen

[lament isle]

the robot also gets some action

[south marsh]

They just made labe 0 even more add by adding gate of demise which gives 2 option of fate as reward

Rare event btw

[wary needle]

@south marsh

get to work cant let a bum claim rin as their wife

[raven dove]

Kinda sad there's no other team other than tressa cass mika for 2nd tbh

Just shows how undertuned units are

[wary needle]

Will see, I'd give it a week.

it's funny that they balanced the discard pile to have a graveyard to prevent inf loops

but then have a few charcs with uncapped stacking

wished we could c egos. I'm sure all the 2nd half 5* dps r all maxed lol But would be neat to c if they arnt

[hazy nebula]

that was expected though

mei lin is beyond broken unit

and tressa is broken if you can manage to get the 3-4 upgrade on her

but tressa isnt even a real character if you dont get multiple copies of the upgrade

[vast swallow]

1 or 3?

I was thinking of 1 because some enemies take cards

[raven dove]

3

[hazy nebula]

always move

move > create > whatever

[craggy steeple]

bro istg move just doesnt exist for me anymore, 7 runs now

[hazy nebula]

[raven dove]

dirty mei lin abuser!!!!!!!!!

[hazy nebula]

i gotta get used to instantly checking my gear after farming

the enhancing ui in this game is hot garbage

[wary needle]

1 is the biggest troll

[hazy nebula]

why can i only enhance in this screen

[craggy steeple]

i'm still buildin my other chars

[hazy nebula]

i have to go through my combatants, click a combatant, click memory fragment, click a slot then i can enhance

why cant i click click storage and enhance from there

i guess i have to click this tiny ass orange button

this screen looks like it'll be easier to enhance on

[wary needle]

if this were na devs these interns be gettin 100k for this work

[hazy nebula]

since you'll most likely be looking at all pieces

[wary needle]

starting pay

[hazy nebula]

instead of specific slots

[raven dove]

just use AI

[craggy steeple]

fuck this ballsack

o well

[raven dove]

[hazy nebula]

om

[wary needle]

Whales that unlocked cass' final dupe r bricked out of scoring higher lol

this character is basically benett atp

[lament isle]

Yeah tressa seems broken and she is, but getting to that point is rng hell

I think I have to build her outside lab 0 getting copies in lab 0 are hopeless

[wary needle]

yea

i looked at the current top ones tressa and found tht he farmed at city

which is the easiest one

[lament isle]

I expect next boss to counter her shenanigans

[wary needle]

Yea lookin forward to that

itll prove whether they kno what theyre doing or not

honestly tho

the lazy fix is -95% void dmg

[lament isle]

Even now it's just a gamemode with nothing on the line everyone can do just fine

[wary needle]

wow tressa cant do dmg anymore

[lament isle]

Probably anti agony

[wary needle]

last basin had the inverse of that which tilted me

"inspiration does 50% more dmg"

gee i wonder who benefits from that

[wooden eagle]

the worst part about it is I feel like I have to play it now just cause I like yuki

[hazy nebula]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChaosZeroNightmare/s/iOVYTHH4t7

Check out my chizuru

(I did that)

[lament isle]

https://tenor.com/view/bakushin-sakura-bakushin-o-uma-musame-uma-musume-head-banging-gif-6233409287171606109

[raven dove]

Took him 153 turns to do that dmg

[lament isle]

First time using yuki at lab 0 so far so good (Veronica carried)

I think I get a decent base save data, let's see how it compares to top teams later on

This is the fun part of the game before bullshit grinding

[wooden eagle]

farming save data

its not like uma where save data can be fed back into runs

thats what makes it less fun

and thats why the chaos is the only thing that matters

everything else is just chores to reinforce chaos runs

[split cipher]

eachtime i want to know what element these dogshits are my brain goes POJ cus those are rgb initials

[lament isle]

Isn't uma kinda worse? Literally save data are only used for room matches

They're fun though ngl

[wooden eagle]

yeah but you at least have parents that you can feed back into a career run

so it feels like progression

[lament isle]

Honestly I am kinda burnt out, i still like playing but focus on chaos mostly. Chrono ark waiting

[wooden eagle]

in czn you get the save data and thats it

[lament isle]

Focus on trying characters*

I ain't gonna bother with 4 heal upgrade tresser

[wooden eagle]

same I really dont care about the game to play too much

[lament isle]

That shit is bullshit blazing

[wooden eagle]

i'll do my weeklies get the big shop items and then be done with it

[lament isle]

Thankfully Veronica mei Lin is there to make sure I get all my important rewards

[wooden eagle]

i dont even care enough to get the major rewards

like the basin rewards

honestly the insane resources needed to max out a character is fine for me

its a forced break to not play the game

[wary needle]

upto basin 8 is autoable

just

leave the app open for 30 minutes

[mild sky]

join me resist the basin propaganda

[hazy nebula]

wtf so lucky

[wooden eagle]

wow fuck you i'm gonna pull 10 right now

i got a partner

[lament isle]

Mid as hell

I still dunno where to focus ob

On

[wooden eagle]

mid weapon

putting that armor on a drawer would have been better

maybe rng wasnt in your favor

[lament isle]

Didn't get that card that draws an atk card and give +50%

[wooden eagle]

its an okay card

it exhausts though

[lament isle]

I did get 2 good subdue

In terms of fun she's quite fun

Maybe she'll do better at the order chaos

Now that we can get seasonal decks from there

[hazy nebula]

just focus on whoever you like playing

the tower is only for bragging rights

the rewards is basically the same as just coming last

theres nothing in this game that requires you to play meta

[wooden eagle]

thats why you should all play yuki with wheelchair girl

free yourselves from the shackles of trickery

turn trickery into the single target hit card it deserves to be

[hazy nebula]

hes right

[fast lodge]

[uncut apex]

[south marsh]

[hazy nebula]

its true though

tressa is broken if you get the build

but shes dogshit if you don't

pretty sure she can solo all the simulations on no gear

all level 10

except for the one where you have to aoe

i think thats the basic, heal, shield set one

pretty good considering that shes a free unit and all you need to do is get lucky on getting the build

[lament isle]

This is always what people forget

She's broken in the best case scenario

But will we always get that in chaos?

Or are we just talking about victory lap contents

Although fwiw I don't think she's trash without that healing epi

Chizuru also doesn't need tressa to have healing epi so she's a good insurance policy. I fink

[hazy nebula]

people dont care too much how reliable they are in chaos

some people have infinite time to farm out a deck

[lament isle]

Yeah I feel like I'm a bit disconnected from reddit discussions sometimes

Ain't no way I'm farming 4 healing upgrade tresser

My Mei Lin / Vero is also just 'good enough' I feel

[fast lodge]

Honestly I think she’s still alright without that giga broken heal build

[hazy nebula]

mei lin veronica is more broken than tressa

[lament isle]

Agree which is where chizuru comes in, she doesn't really care if tressa gets the broken heal build I think

But tressa is broken that way even if she doesn't get that heal shit she has access to all the draws anyways

[hazy nebula]

i think the biggest problem is that her strongest epiphany makes her play almost completely different

its almost like a whole different character

[lament isle]

She really is an early installment syndrome character

[wary needle]

she reminds me of xiangling lol

[broken lily]

@wary needle has leveled up! (24 ➜ 25)

[wary needle]

ppl tried to enable their dilucs and ganyus only to realize she is crutched by them forced as a sub dps

i tried to poitn that out with hugo

but thats a lesser degree, hugos still great, its more like cass being absolutely enabled by tressa to possibly the fullest

the game modes pretty fun. Granted u have meilin/luke or tressa to actually deal with the mechanic

its a weird dilemma wit hthe ranking rewards being so small. Its meant to help players not focus on wr and focus more on pb. But its so little that ppl arnt even arsed to do it

otherwords, theres no need to feel inclined to get 3+ copy saves. You can make things do with a single copy save as far as claiming all rewards

I see these leaderboard stuff exactly like speedrunning in games

watching wr is fun, but the main focus is just pb

If anything too, if youre focusing pb, you can also ignore meta units and try to just pb with another dps and feel satisfied that way

That said tho I do get and agree chaos is the charm but having all these game modes making players inclined to farm for save data aint it. It makes running chaos an unpleasant experience

[sweet remnant]

big draw deck

[sweet remnant]

chizuru feels pretty op

[ionic stream]

kinda sucks never getting the 100 gems for doing all dates for the male chars given im not gay

devs seem to not have considered the possibility that their non-bisexual players

[raven dove]

Beryl broken too, legit just get her upgrade for cards sitting in hand free dmg

[hazy nebula]

is cassius only good if you have e2

for tressa comp

[hazy nebula]

yes i did

what does she mean by her "horn"

[lament isle]

[hazy nebula]

got unlucky and didnt get enough copies

https://tenor.com/view/dr-disrespect-angry-slam-mad-pissed-gif-11351877

[lament isle]

Still 1 more copy than my best run

[hazy nebula]

excuse me smilegate, i thought there was an update for server stability

im slowly appreciating this card (even though it costs 3 AP to cast)

on tressa cassius

cause 80% of my cards costs 0

[main falcon]

This gear enhancement/management UI pisses me off

Surely it's not just me

[hazy nebula]

tell me about it

ceo mihoyo shill

taking on shitty mihoyo gearing ui

(i actually dont know if mihoyo has the same)

[main falcon]

Why are we stepping down from E7's goated gearing UI

[hazy nebula]

(i just like calling the ceo a mihoyo shill)

[fast lodge]

if they wana copy hoyo so bad why not copy the more recent QoL too

[craggy steeple]

haha

ok devs this shit aint funny anymore where the FUCK is move card

[hazy nebula]

just take 3

create is pretty good too

or are you min maxing now

[craggy steeple]

i aint killing the rainbow wolf with create card bruh

oh, nvm i might

[craggy steeple]

finally

meilin tweaked out as well, thx god i got dps neutrals on veronica

[hazy nebula]

wtf op

[craggy steeple]

2 more of this shit though

tressa pot6 is mid right

i have her pot 5 rn , and rei pot4

10 pulls left for pity

fuck it i'll just get them in stray 4* pulls or something ig

[hazy nebula]

too many shit to farm

ahhhhhhh

i need memory fragments

but the game is saying i need character exp

and character potentials

[lament isle]

the "rational" thing to do is to max pot meilin/veronica/tressa to high heavens but i just wanna play other characters for now they really make it so difficult

[main falcon]

I cant even play chizuru coz i'm building tressa at the same time

Potentials costing a gazillion mats is killing me

[lament isle]

I just remembered how fucking annoying regular chaos is when you fail a run

Now I have to do the previous difficulty again

[hazy nebula]

thats why lab 0 is way better than chaos

it doesnt cost anything to play lab 0

but chaos costs a fortune

zero systems

[wooden eagle]

wow lab 0 is so bad

[lament isle]

Honestly tho regular chaos epiphanies do seem to happen more often

Maybe it's placebo idk

Oh well I just need to rush LV 10

I guess I shouldn't pick nightmare to make it smoother

[lament isle]

Any inhibitless Chizuru user btw?

Also idk if this is mistranslated, my cost didn't get reduced by 1

[sterile snow]

idk about that card but some of her other cards are mistranslated

[lament isle]

So far Chizuru immediately feels better than Yuki

Oooh that karmic flames cost reduction is on enemy with shackle already

I should've copied that fuck

And seems like there are multiple viable builds with Chizuru

[woeful forge]

1st run with her. 4th battle

How the do you use her?

[lament isle]

Hmm this seems okayge? I'm not sure about the tsukuyomi part

[lament isle]

Still testing

Apparently some people do away with the bind stuff and go for full basic attack

Or adding hits to shadow of the moon

Oh this guy said the lead activation is bad fuck it imma go full rng

[woeful forge]

This was it pretty much

Good or nah?

[lament isle]

Seems good but the AP with tsukuyomi is

[wooden eagle]

just play it at the start of the fight before bound

[hazy nebula]

You try to get the +2 hit tsukuyomi epiphany and then copy that until you have 3-4 copies. Oni hunt you want the 180% damage, +60% on next bind card

those 2 are the most important

then you basically just try to spam these 2 cards as much as possible

then you slam the enemy with this

[lament isle]

Apparently people now focus on the basic attack oni hunt build

[hazy nebula]

hmm

i havent really played her yet cause i dont have memory fragments for her

my gear is too scuffed

[lament isle]

Good sign that she has multiple build paths according to what she gets, it's as if this is the point of a roguelike

Not like tresser or mei lin who only has 1 op bullshit and has to reset until they get it

[main falcon]

You mean my Resolve build is viable? Let's go!!

[lament isle]

I just brought my kayron gear over men out

[hazy nebula]

too bad my kayron is using that dogshit 4 piece void exhaust set

[fast lodge]

woah woah woah what with this fingers gesture robo buddy

[mild sky]

LEAVE HER ALOOONEEEE

https://tenor.com/view/super-saiyan-transformation-goku-charged-power-up-gif-14474364

[lament isle]

you think he's just doing it from the front?

im enjoying chizuru a lot

sorry yuki

i think i might have missed something but she's so hard to play

chizuru just hits so hard from the get go

and her animations go hard

[south marsh]

Nah yuki sucks, she is too rng

[lament isle]

https://old.reddit.com/r/ChaosZeroNightmare/comments/1pfj8kr/masters_795k_chizuru_carry_clear_rank_298/ cassius / precision aim abuse lol, impressive though

[wooden eagle]

not geared and not feeding her

applies to both yuki main or yuki/chizuru

having said that, yes she's mid she wont perform as well as others

but even with mid rng you should be able to pull your weight through most of lab 0 with yuki if she's built enough

like outside of yuki generally being not overpowered

i dont get why people say they cant play her

its very simple to execute

the only answer i have is that you may just be trying too hard to farm the perfect save

[lament isle]

i tried to use cassius and veronica in the green chaos zero and they failed miserably

mika works but it takes soooo long

[wooden eagle]

no idea how cassius veronica yuki would work

but I've heard cassius yuki is fine

i think if you're going to only have yuki as dps then you need a dps buffer like rei along with a drawer

[wooden eagle]

another run down with my beloved

[lament isle]

try to draw as many as possible but it cassius cant heal enough

i think the easiest is still mika veronica yuki

[wooden eagle]

one day i'll get veronica

[lament isle]

autoing battle missions while playing another game in the background

or rather it's annoying there are so many of them

[uncut apex]

this keeps happening

[south marsh]

New updates new problems

[sterile snow]

all these broken comps and I still don't have a Cassius for it

[hazy nebula]

No gambler for you

[hazy nebula]

wtf

how come this retard phased

and punched me 3 times for free

the weekly fight

normally its only once or twice

but 3 times?

[sterile snow]

judas?

[hazy nebula]

yeah

[sterile snow]

2nd phase does attack for every 5 stacks

1st phase is big attack next turn if he has more than 5 stacks

[hazy nebula]

weird

cause he phased

and immediately did 3 punches

the moment he transformed

[main falcon]

The transformation? Yeah he had 15+ stacks definitely

[sterile snow]

Yeah cause u prob had 15 stacks

[hazy nebula]

ah ok

i just unga bunga and play all my cards

[sterile snow]

Tressa cheese is to pray you get the imprint card and all ur daggers on 1st phase when he has infinite turns

or when u draw wanderer

[hazy nebula]

1 is super good cause perma morale

but that 0 cost though

[wooden eagle]

i'm too lazy doing the boss just beat him at a lower tier

who needs the mats

[hazy nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-disrespect-angry-slam-mad-pissed-gif-11351877

i couldnt get to a shop to remove whirlpool

and it stole an epiphany upgrade

wtf man

[sweet remnant]

i think the morale and resolve only apply on the turn that you use the card

[hazy nebula]

how do i read this faint memory thing

is the number how much points i have left?

cant be right?

it has to be how much ive used

out of the limit

20/130

cause tressa is at 100/130

and she has a boss card

[fast lodge]

Yeah it how much you used

Goes up the more you add stuff

[hazy nebula]

ah ok

[hazy nebula]

why is this guy attacking

i just dropped 2 daggers on his friend

[hazy nebula]

holy shit my cassius is goated

if only i could get 1 more remove card and removed that 1 cost attack

and the devil dice was 0 coster

3 dice trick

[craggy steeple]

i've yet to try out cassius

[hazy nebula]

all of his quest cards are good

except for maybe the attack + heal one

he has attack scaling quest, draw quest, morale quest, attack+heal quest

3/4 are good

[sweet remnant]

i like the aoe attack dice trick that reduces in cost with each finished quest

dice trick upgrade seems nice too though, expensive but nice

[charred vortex]

so did you guys clear 90+ chaos?

where do u guys farm higher deck?

btw

[hazy nebula]

i just farm on lab 0 difficulty 8

[charred vortex]

ok

did you guys clear 90+ tho

I try to beat the dog and almost kill it

have to kill it faster

[hazy nebula]

nope havent tried

[charred vortex]

ok

[lament isle]

Yeah I cleared all, just reset until easy mod

[main falcon]

I also cleared 11 but not with difficult mods

The shitters there got hands

[charred vortex]

which one

I got this one tho

[lament isle]

yeah that is ez

gangrene is basically free tiers, very manageable

elite + as well

[charred vortex]

still get fuck by the dog

[lament isle]

and money -%

[charred vortex]

which team u run tho

[main falcon]

The easiest mods if you wanna get high tier are gangrene, cant rest in campfires and negative gold acquired

[charred vortex]

ok

[lament isle]

i passed with both meta teams, meilin/veronica/mika, and tressa something2

[charred vortex]

oh right I should switch to mika

still using rika

rei

[south marsh]

No, unless its specified these are permanent buffs, exhaust and upgrades tend to give perma buff

Finally got my vernocia from the selector but no exp

[hazy nebula]

It's permanent unless it specifically states, for 1 turn

Or any other duration

[hazy nebula]

remember to do your great rift

there are weekly cumulative rewards

[wooden eagle]

omgbruh

now i ahve to play this game

[hazy nebula]

i mean you dont have to play it

[wooden eagle]

i HAVE to play the game now

[craggy steeple]

did yall manage to buy this at all

i guess this is for when we max the research stuff

[hazy nebula]

nope, im still upgrading

[craggy steeple]

OWENNNN

[main falcon]

Ah so that's the context

Where is the part where Ow*n cucks us here?

[hazy nebula]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ov_ioTMb2WU

MASSIVE NEWS

[main falcon]

No drama?

Step it up like wulf pack

[hazy nebula]

sadly no drama

[craggy steeple]

no drama means no freemogems

[hazy nebula]

what are some good chizuru comps

that dont involve mika, tressa, luke or veronica

i guess i can try rei chizuru and furry man

[main falcon]

Try luke

Oh nvm

Try owen

[lament isle]

Wulfpack didn't come over to this game yet so no drama

[main falcon]

Aksually he did

[wooden eagle]

okay the weeklies are done

[hazy nebula]

wtf

he did his weeklies

🛏️

[wooden eagle]

i have no team for rearguard

I have to build a team

[main falcon]

Put owen there and he's gonna watch your rear

[wooden eagle]

wow you're right

[lament isle]

Nice reminder I almost forgor agane

[wooden eagle]

what do you mean again

great rift came out this week

[lament isle]

Judas

[wooden eagle]

oh yeah

[lament isle]

But oops double then

[craggy steeple]

wow i am cheeks

[lament isle]

wow repeat battle from the beginning = from first half

i should've known

[wooden eagle]

you ahve to do each difficulty to get the achieve done

its so dumb

[lament isle]

ok no wonder people all pick tressa

without her it's so difficult to get the prerequisite hit numbers

oh well i'll try a better build next week

same with yuki but it'll be tough to get better than tutor with +1 AP

ok fuck this you also cant kill the adds ahead of time

or the boss will refill

oh wait nvm

i wanderered his first turn that's why

om

[wooden eagle]

my yuki/rei/nia team pretty easily dealt with first half

but i ahve an extreme amount of draw

[lament isle]

in hell? that's nice

i also passed first half but i dont think i get max score

i took like 7 turns

[craggy steeple]

oh, reading helped a bit

and that i had a mid setup that can deal with it ready

[lament isle]

on hard

[wooden eagle]

was 5 or so turns for me i think

[lament isle]

i just need to make sure i got the multi hits on the 2nd half or I guess I can just go tressa cassius lol

[lament isle]

i guess my yuki is dog LOL

[wooden eagle]

yeah I dont really know what I'll do for the 2nd half

[lament isle]

i tried mei lin but mine is so inconsistent

yuki is much more consistent

[wooden eagle]

i've pumped my chizuru so its kind of hard to build anyone else

[lament isle]

im also just gonna use chizuru

[wooden eagle]

i mean I guess she can work as part of the 2nd team since you still need multi hits or whatever

[lament isle]

i see the light i think, she should be fine for 2nd half

[lament isle]

yeh

maybe with hugo even?

[wooden eagle]

dont have hugo

[lament isle]

or whoever with multi hits

[wooden eagle]

i'd ahve to build cassius I think

[lament isle]

tressa rin as usual

yeah or maybe cassius is more comfy i should try too

[wooden eagle]

but thats another week

so yeah I'm not sure

i dunno we'll see

[lament isle]

yeah i'll do it next week too

[wooden eagle]

i think best case is I'll just have to spend more time to get the weeklies done

and then the final week i'll have enough to actually push for an okay score

[lament isle]

fuck judas i'll just play at lower diff

i cba

[wooden eagle]

cause right now I think I get ~170k with the hell diff with a shit rearguard

[south marsh]

I still dont understand the 2nd void boss gimmick imo not using any attack skills till turn 3 seems better but that feels wrong

Do you need to like 21 hits in 3 turns?

[craggy steeple]

best i could do

[main falcon]

Lol yuki is actually really good for R1

Cleared that thing in only around 4 turns

[lament isle]

i knew the reddit people will hunt for 3-4 copies decks it's just a recipe for burning yourself out

[lament isle]

yeah people would be "just use mei lin " but if you don't grind for "usable" decks yuki is better

or more consistent, at least

[fast lodge]

this shitter has been in EVERY chaos this week, rare my fkin ass

[hazy nebula]

My tressa Cassius mika got me 350k

My first team got me 2k

First team is Hugo Rei chizuru

[fast lodge]

I could've had 3 of these if I didn't max out my faint memory

[hazy nebula]

I think I could have gotten more but I misplayed my tressa comp a little

[lament isle]

i need at least 2 heal > dagger Tressa

whats your cassius build?

[fast lodge]

[lament isle]

i think i'll go tressa cassius mika 2nd half too and get this over with

hopefully can get 500k in 1 run that way

i want to use chizuru but it seems that it's so much easier to use the meta team

[wooden eagle]

d-d-dont worry... the NEXT great rift will be best for chizuru

you'll see!

AND yuki

[lament isle]

she's so good to use in chaos im ngl the animations are so satisfying

[wooden eagle]

it'll be a yuki chizuru team

[lament isle]

yuki is at least good here so it's alright

[wooden eagle]

then you'll regret laughing at the recommendation

[lament isle]

someone got top 100 with chizuru so it IS possible but i honestly cba

damn that is a boss cassius

[hazy nebula]

Confiscation is op with Cassius cause you can extend the combo

You pick 0 cost quest

[lament isle]

lucky i love tresser she's my fav 4*

like from the first time she showed up

[hazy nebula]

And if you have dice trick

[lament isle]

little slut

[hazy nebula]

You can pull free morale and draws

[wooden eagle]

rude straggot

[lament isle]

which quest do you take? full house for draw?

3 dice trick upgrades are insane tbh

i guess i'll bring him to this week's runs and see what I can get

apparently i already have 2 healing > dagger tressa so less priority

[lament isle]

it's a compliment

https://old.reddit.com/r/ChaosZeroNightmare/comments/1pfj8kr/masters_795k_chizuru_carry_clear_rank_298/
you know I start to think that Cassius is the OP one

[lament isle]

copying xely's build with less confiscation the attack card is actually useless to use with tressa it's a mistake

[woeful forge]

How does your deck saving work again?

[south marsh]

Yuki and chizuru are ideal for the current great rifts their sinply not rhe best for the max dupe no life sweats, the bosses by design promote their gimmick alot

I got 440k without bothering to grind for it and rin on right side with no cass

Left yuki, nia, cass right rin, rei and mika

Mika is must for right side dmg

[craggy steeple]

stayed up all night autoing battle missions and doing my lecture notes

[lament isle]

Hoooooly

[hazy nebula]

wtf god roll

[vapid river]

question

is e1 cassius better than e6 rei for a team comprised of yuki and chizuru

[hazy nebula]

idk i havent tested

but rei is the best damage buffer for 1 cost spammers by far

her e6 is a multiplier i believe

rei also does a very small heal on her first hit of each turn so you can barely scrape by with that and spamming healing egos

[craggy steeple]

does lab0 still dont count as codex runs for the bp quest

also doing the battle missions gave like 400 gold xp cards

gud shit

[lament isle]

Unfortunately my ballista isn't even upgraded

But I think it's whatever I just needed the draws anyways

I also fucked up, I should've gotten the kill -> vulnerable weapon for her

I need to get it on someone else now

[hazy nebula]

dont worry you have infinite attemps at getting a better copy

[lament isle]

Yeah no I leave that for redditors

My copy is 'unusable' according to them and it's alright

But anyways I'm still running her and yuki in lab 0 her for weekly so a man can pray

Seriously though maybe I'm getting old but I find every gacha community kinda whiny

[wooden eagle]

because they are

the moment they make save data more controllable in chaos the game is dead

i even think the 5 retries for buying from the shop is way too much

[lament isle]

Like what are you gonna use the perfect save data for, there's almost nothing

The leaderboard is also inconsequential

500k is 50 gems like not even 1/3 of a pull

And to 9/9 seasonal bosses you don't need perfect saves (and you just need 6/9 anyways)

I think what's missing from a lot of discussions are how easy it is to make a character good enough; I think Chizuru is pretty good with pretty much any build so she's grind friendly

https://tenor.com/view/uma-musume-uma-musume-uma-musume-pretty-derby-ウマ-gif-1688281544402550938

[mild sky]

yeah im finding it harder to do runs for save data now mostly my chaos runs are just 4fun

i get them in like 2 runs

[lament isle]

I run multiple characters that 'need' save data so I just pivot depending on who gets the good procs

[mild sky]

the way u use save data is preety boring af aswell

whenever i get a good one its just kinda meh

they need another mode thats just another chaos mode

[lament isle]

Tru

I think it's just that the fights currently are too exploitable with hyper specific builds

[charred vortex]

it nice u can build many characters

u want to play

imagine have all the characters u had and never touch it

aka

mihoyo and wuwave

[lament isle]

Well they tried their best to do a mihoyo

[charred vortex]

yeah they dumb

that is why people are so angry

reasonable crash out

bro try to turn slay the sprite into mihoyo game

deserved to get truck

but not the owen ones

I didn't the director have the same ego as lacari

bro think he could write better story

bro don't even play limbus only care mihoyo shit

[lament isle]

Actually nvm I got giant ballista I decided to try to get epiphany from the extra boss and got it

Have to reset until I got lvl 13 again now though

[lament isle]

He played wuwa so you know what to expect next

[charred vortex]

yah

I disappoint about wuwave

is

those devs could make different

but they copy paste mihoyo shit meanwhile arknight enfield did more better

[lament isle]

I caught my colleague playing wuwa

[hazy nebula]

why didnt you ask about the wa wa

[charred vortex]

what gear are u guys using for chizururu?

[sterile snow]

why tf this event story so long

https://tenor.com/view/omgbruh-corey-harris-omg-bruh-zoom-court-gif-2693074222613527227

[wooden eagle]

what do you mean long its like 15-20 mins if you actually read it

[sterile snow]

hell no i aint reading

just trying to skip this shit so i can do the pvp battle

but even the skip takes minutes

[lament isle]

When in doubt. 2+2+2

[charred vortex]

ok

[lament isle]

1 point, use the basic atk + on Chizuru she uses a lot of basic atks

And there's also a build that focuses on basics

But regardless of that she still uses more basic atk than other units

[main falcon]

My tressa is basically done but shes using 2/2/2 instead of void exhaust set

🤨

[wooden eagle]

well time to burn my stamina

[lament isle]

Worst part of this game fr fr

[wooden eagle]

its not so bad anymore

yuki solves mostly

but there was one point in time where the auto would stall

and I'd ahve to restart the app

[lament isle]

Worst part is potential grind as NL said above

Cos you have to choose whether to go wide or deep

[wooden eagle]

yah

fuck the stickers who cares

i'll still build tressa though

but this week was meant to be gear farming week

[south marsh]

No with my ass luck the 5 is a necessity

[south marsh]

Their is another achievement for doing 9\9 on all 3 bosses

[main falcon]

Potential farming is dogshit

There are loads of complaints about it in reddit

[craggy steeple]

wth is sands of time

some sorta trickcal altar thing?

[main falcon]

The thing that you use when you wanna undo a move/turn

[craggy steeple]

oh

kinda mid upgrade

[hazy nebula]

everything just takes too much energy to farm

reliably

i guess they just want to sell energy so thats why

that upgrade is really good

cause you use most of your sands of time on rerolling the dice

because adding dice to the game is fun for the player

[lament isle]

E7 classique

[hazy nebula]

i think they copied mihoyos energy system

cause if i remember correctly

in genshin they make you use a lot of energy

but they dont sell you a lot of energy

its limited by day?

i think korea is anti mihoyo gacha system slop

thats one of their biggest riots

besides owen

[craggy steeple]

wait

you want giga rally cards for judas

why'd it take me this long to figure that out

[wooden eagle]

not a mid upgrade

you can dice reroll in events too

[craggy steeple]

well, mid for me, i dont play the game enough to go through it all

[wooden eagle]

its actually the best for you

because you can use all your rerolls on events that give good shit in one run

and then until it resets the next day

[craggy steeple]

apparently i dont have anyone with giga rallies, guess i'm farming for one

[main falcon]

The reason that I quit HSR is the gearing system. The fact that I cant use the character right away because BiS set also releases with the new character killed it for me

This kind of gearing is more burning out than chaos itself

Also, since they copied hoyo 1:1 means the RNG is just as shit

This main stat elemental bonus damage is also not it

[lament isle]

At least so far the new sets are shit, but once they figure out how to make good ones we are screwed

[hazy nebula]

what?!?!?!

you mean you DON'T like farming new sets every character?

[lament isle]

wrt potentials etc. I can't wait for the grace system from ebin seven

[hazy nebula]

thats why im perma just farming 2 2 2

not even worth my mentals to farm specific 4 piece sets

unless its generic like the 4 piece 2-cost crit

[lament isle]

They're quite clever though they don't put the 2 costs in the same stage

[lament isle]

I've been reasonably lucky today I got my Vero and Rei built decently. Mika's turn

[south marsh]

Rally imo is the best neutral card for supports

[lament isle]

ok i think i can try more (very unoptimised) but i'll leave it up to next week my yuki also still took 6 turns somehow, I need to beef her up

what's yuki's (non mika/cass) best support?

warning: don't play on phone with tressa team

[south marsh]

Veronica

Nia as well good for her but nia as a healer sucks

They actually buffed lillian so that it works like how yuki subdue does

Now all they need to fix is the fking 0 on drawpile the fact that it doesn't auto shuffle when draw pile is zero is so stupid

[lament isle]

yeah I use Veronica, just need a 3rd

I use Rei but i think it's kinda cope

[wooden eagle]

nia cause draw, just go do a diff 8 run with a decent tier and fish for draws

you dont need too many but once you get a decent nia draw you can just slot it in to fuel yuki

if you already have draw

then eitehr chizuru or rei has worked for me

just cause morale/dmg buff + multi hit benefits yuki

or chizuru's ap reduction is always good and can just prep to do a single target hit when you're ready

[lament isle]

chizuru is an interesting choice

[wooden eagle]

chizuru works with most people that arent AP batteries

thats how good her bound upgrade is

it fits yuki just because single target dps can be good and you can make her a subdps that does literally nothing but support or prep for her ult

but if you make chizuru a focus then it kind of falls apart

too much AP req

but i did only try it because everyone made fun of that team line up during the livestream

[lament isle]

you contrarian

[wooden eagle]

thats also the only reason why I mained yuki

otherwise I would have been trying to force vanguard defense teams

[lament isle]

i think mostly i just need better cards on her

[wooden eagle]

or owen meme teams

the thing about yuki with nia or I assume cassius is that

its really not that hard to build a decent yuki

like subdue is a good draw card

but if you dont have copies or the two draw inspiration

its not the end of the world

just free flow it

the equip as always is more important

its the same reason why I got the wheelchair even though its technically worse dps

it just helps for consistency across runs

[lament isle]

like this is the most whatever deck in the world

[wooden eagle]

i dont need to force trickery as an inspiration granter

[lament isle]

i wonder if this is better

[wooden eagle]

i would prefer bottom

sadism is okay I guess but I would prefer it on a rei

energy barrier feels not so useful even though it gives ap

rapid slash is a dead card get rid of that shit if you can

unlses you have someone else that can reduce the cost

i havent found a way to make flash slash retain decent either but could work

even though I have dead cards this build I made early on has been my best so far

the trickery weakness with inspiration is just too good

with a decently geared yuki she'll be viable with a build like this

you dont ahve to be perfect and you'll just do decent damage

[lament isle]

yeah that's literally my first deck when i was fucking around but i think it's pretty good

if I don't get a better one I'll try with it next week

damn mine IS actually dogshit

alright lv 60

[wooden eagle]

bricked

plan successful

[lament isle]

are you using the crit damage % set?

[wooden eagle]

yeah

[lament isle]

actually yeah i'll get a few potentials on crit damage and i should be able to 5 turn

[wooden eagle]

my sub stats are dog

[lament isle]

ah yeah makes sense, im using the order set, idk if that's good even

[wooden eagle]

i have some crit chance sub stats but its not optimized at all

i use order as well

but to be honest i dont play it well

i forget about the set

[lament isle]

i think order is a brick set, i just use it because i have it lying around and i feel it's wasted

but maybe i should've not thought about it and went 2+2+2

[wooden eagle]

could be

[lament isle]

but it's too late anyways

[wooden eagle]

just use what you got

the whole point of yuki is to not give a shit and just try your best

even more so now that chizuru is here

go fish your +hit to sword epi and then pump it as you draw or something i dunno

yuki will do the grunt work

or play meta and not worry about that

or maybe do and reset heaps to get a good run

[lament isle]

yeah should be close

i was just 1 turn from 5 turn so if I played better i probably got it

and you right that 2 mana single target is ass

[wooden eagle]

anyway i'm done ranting about yuki

pick your waifus its a waifu game, mind break them

[lament isle]

i like using yuki on this boss she's the most effortless; fuck mei lin i aint farming your deck

the characters where you either have to get 1 epiphany or nothing is really a huge design flaw

[south marsh]

This is pretty good except the retain on the 2 cost card, imo free ap and draw is the most valuable things regardless of being dps or support

[south marsh]

Rapid slash is her strongest single target dmg with rei buff its value only increases

[wooden eagle]

no epi it is

with epi it isnt

trickery with inspi is much better

0 cost higher single target + inspi proc

better than having to spend 2 AP to do some shitty damage

if I have to divide my AP between the yuki attack cards I've drawn you bet your ass I'm going to prioritize rapid slash last

if i have to decide what to prioritize rei buffs on my yuki cards

you bet your ass i'm putting it on ice cleave

you will never convince me rapid slash is good

[south marsh]

I just like trickery as a bandage for her jankess

[wooden eagle]

wheelchair girl is QoL and better than the min max dps brains know

once you've got even half a built deck you will rarely use trickery to save a card

and if you do you can just wheelchair it

or nia adagio + draw it

and in return you can get a free higher single target dps card with trickery

relative to AP use

[lament isle]

all this CZN talk making me do 1 more chaos before i sleep

[south marsh]

Wheelchair is the only solution, adagio is a super rng solution the whole reason trickery is a good bandage is because it has retain so it can be used whenever you get bad start draw

Retain is just too good

[wooden eagle]

i can count many times where I had trickery retained, looked at my cards and decided I didnt need to play trickery

either because there was no reason to

or because it was overall better to do something else

and it just stayed there

for multiple turns

taking up card slot space

[lament isle]

CZN while on 2000s pop playlist

[wooden eagle]

consider that once you've got a draw engine going on, depending on the characters you bring

the amount of attack cards for yuki you draw

fills up the AP you have

to the point that the non inspiration card you might have likely will never be used anyway

so whats the point of spending that 1 ap on trickery to buff it

[lament isle]

whats trickery again

[wooden eagle]

original card is a retain 1ap cost card

grants inspiration to a random card

and deals some what weak damage

or mid damage

[lament isle]

oh yeah which one you choose with that

[wooden eagle]

i choose the epi that changes it to have inspiration: -1 ap

whicih gives it a damage buff

[lament isle]

yeah i think leaving the functionality as is is good enough

oh nvm i see you are going for pure damage

yeah i almost never got non inspiration in my previous run

the retrieve is naughty though

[peak torrent]

yeah but is it actually good enough for the 15-20 mins investment it takes

[lament isle]

ok I got a better Yuki deck and you can immediately tell the difference

you really need her tutor card duped

[south marsh]

Tutor card?

[peak torrent]

A Tutor is a card which searches your library for another specific card.

it's a mtg term

[charred vortex]

when will there be another patch make this game better?

[south marsh]

Whenever devs decide to drop a patch

Hopefully next season revamps the gear to e7 system cuz holy this set system is ass

[raven dove]

I mean e7 not any better with sets

[hazy nebula]

i think its better since its more generic

"forcing" your players to farm a new set specifically for that character is cringe

(if you want to do more damage)

the only real problem with e7 gearing is that people chased speed

[raven dove]

Yeah so only 2 sets were really used cdmg or speed

Same with here, half the sets literal trash

[hazy nebula]

i guess if you're talking about 4 pieces

speed, cdam, counter are the only 4 pieces that were used, lifesteal kinda fell off

but for 2 pieces, torrent, pen, health and immunity is still good, maybe effectiveness if you really need it

the biggest thing is that the sets are easily usable between each character

thats why i only farm 2 2 2 attack set, crit damage set, fill set

just so i can avoid needing to farm new sets every character patch

4 pieces in this game are garbage except for maybe the 1-cost crit dam and 2-cost crit chance and the bullet set (order)

they feel way too situational to activate compared to just getting stats straight up

not saying e7 gear system is perfect for this game

but i think its definitely better than mihoyos system for this type of game

[raven dove]

Was going more along the lines of the 4 piece sets because those were used by everything

[peak torrent]

4pc sets are bad because they're way undertuned

not because 4pc is inherently bad

if they made it so that u got huge buffs for fulfilling the conditions everyone would use them

[lament isle]

I guess technically yuki's card is not tutor, but specific enough

[sterile snow]

Its more like the conditions are too specific

4 pc cdam for 1 cost cards is doodoo

and a set for each element

And people will always go for future proof unconditional sets

Only one worth it is passion set for veronica

cause it's perma uptime

if they made that the standard everyone would be using that

[hazy nebula]

they fixed that

its no longer permanent

it counts down

[peak torrent]

no it could potentially be good

the issue is you can get 2 unconditional set bonuses

for the same number of pieces

like do u want 12% atk and 25% cd unconditional

or do u want 35% cd

the 12% atk 25% cd probably does more dmg overall btw

or u can take the 2 pc agony shit which is kind of conditional but if u have tressa just procs 24/7

and that prob does the same dmg if not more too

[sterile snow]

WHAT

they nerfed it wtf

shitgate....

[peak torrent]

like there's no 4pc set in the game where 12% atk 25% cd isn't equivalent

if not better

[sterile snow]

I mean there needs to be some math nerds to calculate it

Cause we are still not 100% cc

[peak torrent]

idk or they can do it the way e7 does it

and make 4pc and 2pc not have stat overlaps

what if instead of 25cd it was like 10 cc or something

[sterile snow]

I can see why we don't have a cc set tho

It's giga broken to crit

[peak torrent]

ya I understand why they dont have it but even with it you can't get too far over 80 cc

[hazy nebula]

i think the 4 cost 1-cost crit is good

its free crit chance for those 1 cost spammers

but the problem with that set is