Chaos Zero Nightmare

[wooden eagle]

looks like they updated the response keyword to now be attunement

because i remember that saying response before

[thorn spear]

[wooden eagle]

okay see you in 3 months

[lament isle]

That's me with umamusume

[thorn spear]

nah

[fast lodge]

saved prisms

[wooden eagle]

i'm pretty sure this said 34 rescues before on haru banner

[lament isle]

Scammed as hell

Let the Koreans now

[wooden eagle]

i probably misremembered

[sharp patrol]

You can just check history

[wooden eagle]

too lazy you win this round czn devs

[lament isle]

Pog I got her in 40 and won 50-50

Glazing the game works

Now I can save up

I have a j*b though got to wait to play 🛌

[raven dove]

that's not yuuki

[wooden eagle]

you have a j*b though got to pay to play

[craggy patrol]

Lost 50/50 to orlea

Gg

And 4 nia dupes in the first 2 10 pulls

[wooden eagle]

i would like an orlea dupe

[craggy patrol]

Fck u game honestly

[broken lily]

@craggy patrol has leveled up! (77 ➜ 78)

[fast lodge]

[craggy patrol]

Mika Max, nia e5

[lament isle]

Maybe next banner or next next

[craggy patrol]

Its fine guaranteed for chizuru right

Even tho I want both

[lament isle]

Yeah chizuru should be in 3 weeks

I'm pulling for both upcoming heroes tbh so I'll probably need to scrounge up some cash

Unless I win every 50-50

[wary needle]

yukis my fav of the three but if the halo girl is a support i guess ill save

[lament isle]

Jena chat is full of pro ragebaiters om "I don't want yuki but I get 2 of her in a 10 pull I hate gachas"

[craggy patrol]

I hate that I am a luckshitter basically

[lament isle]

Rewarded by lack of self control and still bitching

Or just ragebaiting

[craggy patrol]

Guess I play a reroll acc on the site with yuki to be safe

[wary needle]

the save data info is extremely detailed

big take away is never blindly take monster cards

[lament isle]

👀

[wary needle]

only do it if you got a specific build youre aiming

[sterile snow]

wait it's nia and lucas

🤮

[lament isle]

Upcoming 1 hour on the bike machine playing CZN after work

[sterile snow]

wait hes literally northernlion

[lament isle]

Including the balding part

Damn monster cards 80 points?

Btw the point limit is per character right

[wary needle]

i think so?

it said individually somewhere

either the count for stuff like removing cards is universal or actually character individual

[fast lodge]

[lament isle]

Individual makes sense I think

[wooden eagle]

reading time

it doesnt say anything about replacing cards with basics

i guess if a card isnt saved it just gets converted?

[lament isle]

Probablemente

[peak torrent]

I'm not even convinced yuki is actually good

so far after playing with her in the story missions she seems completely ass

[fast lodge]

I'll judge when I get to make some decks in chaos

cause renoa before getting a decent deck was also giga ass

[peak torrent]

fair

I just think its funny they are doing such a bad job at actually selling the unit

in comparison I thought the haru simulations made her look quite good when she's average

[fast lodge]

Honestly that trial is so fkin bad too

give her some gear goddam

[peak torrent]

yeah honestly so far it just feels painful to use her

im inclined to just slap my own dps in there just so there's some dmg happening

[craggy steeple]

yuki's hella aoe huh

[craggy patrol]

so we run yuki with cassius and mika?

[fast lodge]

yea that works

I'm running cass nia

[mild sky]

WAT

[fast lodge]

same issue

fuck off

[wary needle]

lol

[fast lodge]

I just wanted one more Nia smh

[lament isle]

Next is guaranteed is okayge

[fast lodge]

I didn't expect you could lose 50/50 to her, I thought she'd only show up in standard

[lament isle]

she's in standard pool so she can appear if you lose 50/50 too

[craggy steeple]

anyone else having connection issues

[south marsh]

Bro this system is so ass wtf , monster cards take 80 points (netural is only 20 points btw) so if you get one and remove it your just burdened with worthless extra save size, so just by getting a monster card your save is griefed , this is incredibly bad design

[charred vortex]

u will reinstalled later

when u get bored

[lament isle]

I guess we just dump monster card to a character we know we're not saving

[craggy patrol]

no wonder that monster card cucked my goddeck then

[wary needle]

also have to remove card unique cards before they epiphany

[charred vortex]

SEA problem

[craggy patrol]

lets see how this looks after pulling 50 on the beginner

surely

prolly just play that one and hoard everything i can for chizuru

[charred vortex]

I bet dimi will reinstalled later after the gameplay addiction

uma can't fill this void

[fast lodge]

the fuck is this trial deck doesn't even have subdue

[fast lodge]

mei

[lament isle]

Uma's nice but just too fucking stingy

And has the most tryhard community

[lament isle]

If yuki's trash you can switch back to Mei Lin account

Meis busted anyhow

[craggy patrol]

yea but sometimes i feel like lin and her team is a little bit too straight forward

[wary needle]

bruh i deleted whirlpool and she epiphanied it back

[lament isle]

Oh I never know that can happen

I guess I'll do it at the last camp then

[thorn spear]

stove also uninstalled

[craggy patrol]

what cards do you remove for cassius

i feel like i can never attack LOL wtf

dont have a clue how to play him actually

[mild sky]

remove all his basics its actually useless

that 30% to draw is so ass

better to rely on dice trick and shuffle

or joker

[south marsh]

After reading through all of it, i still dont know if save is considered for full team or individual unit?

[lament isle]

I'm assuming it's individual unit because they allow us to save individually, but we'll see I guess

[south marsh]

Global was insanely sweaty

[craggy patrol]

shouldve seen how sweaty jp top 100 is

[lament isle]

i had 3 more final wins than rednu

[south marsh]

Jp is probably more sweaty now, they were to stupid to even understand what was good in uma for the first year

Honestly czn would have been so ass if most things were bad, this game is fun because its new lack of knowledge and because most things can work and be good

[lament isle]

Meta isn't so stratified currently so it's easy to have fun

[south marsh]

If it was like uma first year it would have been dogshit where 50% of the skills never work including ultimates

[lament isle]

Maybe if leaderboard events have overwhelming rewards then it won't be as fun. But hopefully smilegate has sense

[craggy patrol]

and then u have guys like me buying accounts with different units on them to test them out

[south marsh]

Ill argue most people would agree veronica, mei lin and mike are the 3 meta units

[lament isle]

• Hugo but yes. The others aren't too far behind though

[south marsh]

The rest needs the player to have some thinking to be good

[lament isle]

Except the 2 Luke's ig

[south marsh]

Hugo is target attack only, so even he cant fit everywhere, he also naturally prefers to be with tressa because of 0 cost spam

[craggy patrol]

mei lin doesnt really have a bad start either in a run

for some u have to remove 4 cards to make it less awkward to play

[south marsh]

Universal tenacity break is too strong

[craggy patrol]

3 accounts and on everyone you have to click through the story

and all the handholding

i'm going insane

oh got nia

do i try nia and cassius with yuki too

[hazy nebula]

so is this update

peak

or is it 🤏

[wooden eagle]

there are like 3 chapters of event story

[wooden eagle]

we have most of the rules for save data now

so thats good at leasat

[hazy nebula]

i guess that means koreans are still mad

and want an apology

🤏

[lament isle]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/ChaosZeroNightmare/s/KoyVWn6aL8 seems like it

[wooden eagle]

so dumb

any other gacha game and people would be glazing

[hazy nebula]

holy retroactive rewards

[craggy patrol]

ye i a ton of stuff on my lin acc but not on the new

what was that for

[hazy nebula]

he could have literally left the gacha on

koreans are trying to find the dumbest way to get angry

CEO didnt pay for the next persons dinner

[lament isle]

It's honestly infuriating that they are mad at irrelevant stuffs when they could've channeled it to shit like hoyo endgame

[hazy nebula]

time to cancel him

what is this save data shit

can someone just tell me

im a gacha player

i cant read

[wooden eagle]

certain card types have specific set of points allocated to it

your save data in a run is at a certain tier level depending on how hard it is

removing cards, copying cards, getting monster cards etc

these cost points

if a deck has too many points it starts culling

and thats why you get cards replaced and whatever

the rules arent that hard to read

[hazy nebula]

oh so the speculations were right

apparently another speculation is

if you get an option to remove 3 cards

it counts as 1

or something

in terms of points

[wooden eagle]

possibly I cant remember if the rules said

the cost of removing gets higher the more you do it

the help files tell you the costs

same applies to copying

[hazy nebula]

wait

they changed some of the reasearch shit

[wooden eagle]

thats the correct description apparently

[hazy nebula]

didnt this used to be reduction in time for something

oh damn wtf

[wooden eagle]

it used to be a shop limit increase

but poeple found out its time loop ability shit

[hazy nebula]

smh

i demand 5* selector

and an apology from the CEO

in a bowing position

lost my yuki to rin

still good i guess

i shouldnt be mad

[craggy patrol]

wish i wouldve lost mine to lin

[wooden eagle]

hmm ahh yes I see

very true

[craggy patrol]

when she said card/html.sc i really felt that

[hazy nebula]

hmmm

but what does x + 1 mean

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-cat-meme-ragebait-cat-think-cat-ponder-gif-7034802297606826390

EWWWWWWWWW

[wooden eagle]

[sharp patrol]

I can't do event difficulty 4 without level 50,??

Wtf is this

[hazy nebula]

AHHHHHHHHH

IM EXP BROKE BOY

[lament isle]

I hate exp req so much om

[wooden eagle]

its just a 10% stat boost

[south marsh]

Bro who cooked this trial never let him cook again

[lament isle]

Well I'm waiting for final Yuki review to see if I should LV 50 her

[south marsh]

That has to be the worst trial for yuki

[lament isle]

If not imma save it for bondage raiden shotgun

[south marsh]

I honestly dont care about rate up units ill just keep pulling until the rate up sr units are mlb

But i have a feeling cassius rate up is coming soon

[fast lodge]

im at 0 exp with lvl 40 yuki and I still need to level Nia and Veronica

I wouldn't mind running exp mines if that shit actually gave a decent amount lmao

[hazy nebula]

wtf

im out of energy

and shes not level 50

yuki is taking all my energy

and shes not done

[raven dove]

Time to swipe

[craggy patrol]

[fast lodge]

[craggy patrol]

on that acc now i have the option to run mei, rin, veronica or yuki

thats pretty good

[fast lodge]

yeah veronica with any of them ez

[craggy patrol]

its not a E4 like my own lin but its fine

well lets see what teams they're cooking with yuki

whats veronica for exactly?

[hazy nebula]

best support

in the game

cause she can look for other combatants cards

[craggy patrol]

so you would run her in a yuki team too? or any?

[hazy nebula]

so it can hit your main dps card

cause you always want your main dps to hit more cards

[craggy patrol]

so waifu team with yuki, veronica and nia would work huh

is it personal pref to run cassius instead of nia

[fast lodge]

draw and damage

[craggy patrol]

nia is better at picking specific cards and cassius for a full shuffle right

[main falcon]

This game is not for everyone and that's fine

You could even say it's good to be that way

[craggy patrol]

i think yuki, nia, veronica is something i could really enjoy

[lament isle]

I think eata just asked if Cassius or Nia are more or less interchangeable

[craggy patrol]

exactly

and i havent played both of them

[lament isle]

I also wanna try Nia over Cassius, Cassius is basically a draw engine

[short rune]

Using Yuki on the green planet and fighting the robot that has a lot of shields takes forever

[raven dove]

Nia super garbo without good epi

[main falcon]

A lot of units are garbo without epi but Nia especially needs the specific epis

[mild sky]

bro u need the joker card on cassius to make this character pop off

[fast lodge]

yea the one trial deck that has 2 subdue goes nicely with my double joker cass, I know what to aim for

this bih massive

[long dirge]

wow very lucky pull!

another guarantee ready for next banner

[fast lodge]

[lament isle]

Sereniel waiting room

[fast lodge]

Godwen and his girls

[long dirge]

[lament isle]

Call me Venezia I'm now la serenissima

Sereniel boobas need breathing room they spill over her leotard

[craggy patrol]

3rd time now seeing anika and her god eater weapon

[lament isle]

So outbreak of war is called inspiration now?

[wooden eagle]

you mean initiation

inspiration is yuki's thing

[hazy nebula]

why are the 3 of them together....

[lament isle]

Why do they have to make everything starts with I

[wooden eagle]

for inquisitive individuals

[craggy patrol]

feels so weird to play yuki with cassius and nia holy. i only draw skill cards

[lament isle]

I'll interrogate these idiots

[wooden eagle]

incredible

[sterile snow]

There's initiation and initiative now

[lament isle]

imbecilic

[south marsh]

This design is so. Much better then yuki has some combat gear, has fan service and isn't just completely naked

[lament isle]

Chizuru and sereniel waiting room

[fast lodge]

Nah, Yuki's better. thats just overblown with mecha details

[hazy nebula]

HOLY MOLY

https://tenor.com/view/ultrasad-gif-23310565

look at that giant

jesus

she doesnt even fit on the screen

[fast lodge]

[hazy nebula]

shes taller than the girls shield

[lament isle]

Sensitive?

[hazy nebula]

also

thank god they went back to celestial

heaven sounded so lame

[lament isle]

Im guessing initially they want to blindly reduce word count

But a lot of people told them heaven sound lame lol

Idt we'll get outbreak of war back though that shit is long

[craggy patrol]

ye idk

with that team i'm getting fuuucked

[uncut apex]

1st ten

i heckin love e7 2.0

[lament isle]

My current limit is tier 10 so max should be 1200 but I got this, I guess it was bugged and they didn't remove it?

[craggy steeple]

is she fun? ima be real she dont seem fun after i tried her in the trial

why're standard chars seem to got more depth than her

[fast lodge]

Pretty nice with copied subdues and cassius joker's

at that point its kinda like mei lin lol

the Trial is scuffed to hell and back, she plays better than that but her numbers feel lacking still

[craggy steeple]

[south marsh]

same event and got the same dice roll again

[craggy patrol]

ok mantis on second world kills me with yuki and with rin

unlucky

tested rin the first time now tho, already like her better than yuki

[south marsh]

Save value doesn't matter only the faint memory points matter

[lament isle]

yeah my faint memory is 160 but my max should've been 120 (or even less because i was below tier 10 when i got it)

[south marsh]

Rin = no other dps othr then rei

[south marsh]

I guess you got lucky because it should be 130 to 150 max, their is still somethings we don't knoe

My rin had 130 and they removed the epiphany monster card making it 30 faint memory

[craggy patrol]

I meant 2 different runs

[lament isle]

hmm maybe

i guess they deleted something but i still got more than the so called limit

[craggy patrol]

One was with yuki, vero, nia and the other one with rin, rei and mika

[wooden eagle]

trial doesnt do a good job of showing her strengths

[south marsh]

What was the faint memory of the other 2 units? That gave you this result

[wooden eagle]

if you do the event story battles you'll see her at a good build

[south marsh]

Strange this lab 0 planet isnt order

It makes yuki feel extra shit

But my rin slaps too hard

[wary needle]

haru on standard, fuck the pool is already diluted

[fast lodge]

[charred vortex]

I can tell u will return mr dimer when it has good shit later on

[rustic nova]

yuki might be op

[timber glade]

WHY IM GETTIN COCKS

I just want guitar ussy

[fast lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-10574675557333847745

[timber glade]

HE CANT GET AWAY WITH THIS

https://tenor.com/view/he-cant-keep-getting-away-with-it-gif-19335672

[thorn spear]

Ok

You are wrong though

[hollow barn]

https://tenor.com/view/momoi-gif-16223017375893517699

[timber glade]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/G3p5i1nXQAAuPHz.gif

[main falcon]

save your pity

it seems like she's not that good

[timber glade]

excuse me sir

have you seen her tits

if that aint enough reason to pull then idk

[lament isle]

ok i faced a post nerf dog guy

honestly still scary

especially since for some reason theyre fire in a dark world

[charred vortex]

my prediction never wrong just like I predict lacari league match up

[fast lodge]

maybe koreans can complain about something useful for once and get us buffs

[charred vortex]

[drowsy lava]

https://old.reddit.com/r/ChaosZeroNightmare/comments/1ov3xoc/is_yuki_a_joke_from_devs/

[wooden eagle]

skill issue

[lament isle]

am i getting old or are people getting more hysterical

[timber glade]

[lament isle]

so many sniffers recently

yeah i think there is something funky with monster card discard calculation, this one also gets saved, quite high points

[broken lily]

@lament isle has leveled up! (70 ➜ 71)

[charred vortex]

what difficulty chaos event are u running

[lament isle]

this was a while back, probably 6 or 7

[charred vortex]

ok

ngl 6 and 7 is hard if u don't have good deck at the start

[main falcon]

what the hell is 67 meme? i think i'm too boomer for it

[lament isle]

ok i didnt even want to do the meme im also too boomer for it

like i thought i kept up but i just blanked at 67

[charred vortex]

67 is random

zoomer shit

don't have any meaning

Mr.SUS can explain

[south marsh]

My run also got killed by dog guy but at least this time it took 10 turns of dmg to kill me, its still a fking cringe battle evolved dogs can do 1.2k dmg and only his 1st 3 hit attack is nerfed, the 2nd 3r hit attack still does 1k dmg

I got an omega unlucky draw with no crits

No epihany on rin and no gear on units

Thankfully you get weekly exp on loose

[sweet remnant]

this game is egregious

like, all the time

[lament isle]

bondage raiden shotgun

[wary needle]

i just realized shes just tied

like by default

oh fuck off
took a break and its broken now

i think its the second time using the leave temporarily bugged out on me, its completely not worth

[south marsh]

Ok just did my first level 60 i had way more resources then i thought, i guess its hard to 60 all but should be easy to 60 3 dps

[craggy patrol]

what team are u running on your rin

[south marsh]

Rin rei mika

[craggy patrol]

ah okay

thought maybe your doing the orlea vuln. thingy

looks pretty fun too

[wary needle]

im able to build 3 without the compensated units too

was basically a whale problem of ppl having the luxury to build many combatants smh

[south marsh]

This was honestly better then maxing in wuwa when it launched

Minus the potential locks on weekly

I can get like 65% crit if i upgrade all her potential

[wary needle]

yea i was a bit confused when ppl were crashign out over taking too long to reach 30/40/50. Like isnt this the norm in gachas? With those open world ones taking atleast a month to get the endgame farm areas

[south marsh]

I havent even touched any of the farming other then crystals or gear

[craggy patrol]

had to spam many potential stages to go 16-20 on a new acc

to even be able to continue story

[wary needle]

yea did the same

[timber glade]

iuge ig

[south marsh]

I only farmed potentials from level 30 to 50

You need a fk load of those crystals

[thin gate]

mei lin keeps winning

[craggy patrol]

hows yuki on that lvl

[thin gate]

did a run on wind and one on twin star

aoe heavy singularities tbf

but she did great

I just think the build I did, I bricked w the flash slash epi

otherwise good

the shields were actually giga clutch with ap on a rei/cassius comp

cassius tutoring her cards is great

[craggy patrol]

you kept the shield?

[thin gate]

specially the draw

[thin gate]

I added 2 of the 1ap shield (energy barrier, both giving 2 vuln too)

the basic shield got puked back at the end

unfortunate but she kept every dupe and epi

so I'll take it

the 2 cost basic attack is a huge brick

you remove that asap

1 cost is fine keeping

[lament isle]

Game loop is just too addictive and people want to try it with different units

[craggy patrol]

yeah

thats why i bought different accounts lol

[thin gate]

im really feeling the credits sting now tho

had to farm a shit load to build yuki

[craggy patrol]

but the problem is that u dont really see the units potential on a low lvl acc

[lament isle]

People say just play STS... Sure but I want to play the animations too you know

[thin gate]

i think my plan rn is leveling mei and yuki to 60 (so I have 1 aoe 1st dps)

[split cipher]

if cap is 150 i think thi is 900

[thin gate]

so they can carry whichever chaos they're needed to

[split cipher]

[thin gate]

pretty decent rei too

works for my mei lin and yuki

[lament isle]

Yeah idk I have some that overcaps faint memory limits too, usually they have monster skills

[thin gate]

too bad didnt get the epi for 1 cost or lower

i JUST leveled nia and cassius so they have kinda shit builds

i think both have their pros and cons with yuki tho

joker goes CRAZY with yuki's draw

[craggy patrol]

i'm trying yuki, cassi and veronica atm

[thin gate]

cassi does need the 2nd ego tho

or he cant heal for.shit

nia has a similar issue

[craggy patrol]

yea i have him on e2 fortunately lol

[thin gate]

nia needs E6 tho

which is giga xddd

[craggy patrol]

i have her on e5 on my "main" acc where i tried to pull for yuki

and lost 50/50 to orlea

[thin gate]

(thankfully my yuki pulls had me end with e8 nia e2 lucas before e1 yuki)

god bless this game

i want to try out lucas too

but resourcesss

and I kinda need to build him since I have e1 luke

oh well

just gonna take it slow and easy

game's fun, not gonna make me quit over that

[craggy patrol]

thats my main one atm

so far owen has the whole harem for himself

oh nvm lucas

[craggy patrol]

@south marsh 2 or 3

3rd prolly only if char is built right

no way i have the crit rate to profit on that one

[wooden eagle]

i keep on changing my lineup cause i wanna try out all the mechanics

i need to commit

anyway so now time to try out nia now that I have her

[ionic stream]

blew 10k, got my guarantee and 3 nia dupes

feels bad man

[timber glade]

yall doin new mode or chaos mode

[fast lodge]

new

gata grind dem event points

[peak torrent]

where is owen in the story

[craggy patrol]

owen is busy doin ur mom

oh chizuru has some fucking shaman king type shit arm to carry her sword

well thats enough for me to not pull her

[peak torrent]

grrr this owen guy putting on the moves

[amber totem]

all my eggs in the renoa basket

3rd copy from the yuki banner

now i just need a god Rei run to support her

[south marsh]

Strange i didnt get notification but yeah always pick 2, that epihany of her is absolutely broken i consistently do 2.6k+ dmg just from that card and 3.8k with crit, its si good you dupe it

Thats why her draw card ability that places annihilation on your hand is also best with this one

[south marsh]

Can you show the faint memory of the 2 allies you had for that exceed faint memory build? I have a feeling if allies uses less faint memory then it might let you exceed the cap

[timber glade]

wtf . . .

why 61k on someone that i didnt use upgrades

[south marsh]

Show deck

[south marsh]

Did any epiphany got removed?

[timber glade]

om

[south marsh]

They kinda fked some visuals for the game like cant see dmg number during rin ult and cards that count cards in hand not updating

[raven dove]

Rin up huge with the new chaos tbh

All those draw cards give her big dmg

I mean gear

Gear that gives dmg on card draw

[south marsh]

Yeah rin stocks are super high

[craggy patrol]

no cost morale pretty good

but 1 or less can hit uh

draw attack

[south marsh]

You only consider right if you have dupe 2 rin

[craggy patrol]

what does e2 do

[south marsh]

It gives her a unsheathe card that costs 1 if she was on stance at turn start

[craggy patrol]

have to say tho rin, rei, orlea plays pretty smooth

[south marsh]

Each own card uses increase its dmg and if all attack cards use it will cost 0

It's pretty good

[craggy patrol]

4 card rin kekW

rei*

[south marsh]

Keep the unique card that either upgrades basic attack dmg or makes it 0 cost retain that uses all basic on hand

Also dont remove more then 3 cards

[craggy patrol]

damn

replica core or foggy cystal ball

i think replica outweights that right

could use it on orlea honestly for her creations

lol rei got every basic on that save data

that is criiiinge

so what exactly is the zero system now

[sterile snow]

The main gameplay loop

You should only be doing regular chaos for the first time clear rewards

[craggy patrol]

the first final boss clear basically?

[sweet remnant]

first 5* partner

i didn't spend any crystals on her or her partner either

40 pulls total

for char + partner

[timber glade]

who gonna pair yuki with

[craggy patrol]

apparently cassius and nia

[timber glade]

I Read somewhere idr beryl and nia

[sweet remnant]

cassius and nia was my first idea for a team for them

i got nia at the same time

have to build her up

[craggy patrol]

i tried it with veronica and nia too

wasnt bad either

[sweet remnant]

I bet rei with duped snack time/gear bag is good too

[fast lodge]

Veronica to wheelchair her damage and cassius for joker into subdues

[craggy patrol]

do i prio card removal in runs or epiphany

[raven dove]

Also pretty sure the sets and gear that require a card to be a certain cost work when you lower or raise the cost as long as they aren't like Mei Lin where she makes a 0 cost strike

Was testing with the agony wep that only works on 2 cost cards and was working when it got reduced to 1 or 0

[raven dove]

So don't think the 0 cost 10% crit wep works unless it's a base 0 cost card

[wary needle]

what

which is it lol

the first paragraph u say its dynamic but its being followed up with its not dynamic and that its based off the base cost

the first paragraph makes sense and what it should be, whatever number we see at the moment is the cost of the card and all effects should apply accordingly

I mean I can believe its very much completely unknown with these devs and we will have no idea unless we stress test it case by case

unfortunately when it comes to crit chance its basically impossible to figure out if 10% is applied or not. I think all charc has a base of 5% or something

[raven dove]

It's because mei lin has a card epi that creates them at 0 cost

Not creating a 1 cost and reducing it

The move one works

Just going by what I've used and tested

Or are you asking about the gear set part

[wary needle]

Yea I was thinking about the gear weapon, Im in the middle of a chaos run so was gonna check after

its condition from what i remember was tht it just has to be a 0 cost

[charred vortex]

ngl I hope the fucking director stop trolling

stop

[wary needle]

so whether mei lin creates 0 cost cards or moves 1 cost costs into the hand and -1 costs them, i imagined should apply for that gear in particular

[raven dove]

It doesn't

Because i think it goes off the base cost of the card and when she moves it it gets reduced but almost positive when you have the one that creates strikes they're just 0 cost instead of 1 cost

Was more for the run Gear I was talking about with that not the actual memory stuff

That shit works differently so not sure how it effects it

[fresh storm]

Basically anything that draws a metric ton

[raven dove]

if you're playing Yuki don't be like reddit and use Nia + Cassius need a supportive dps

[south marsh]

Its base 3%

5% base crit is usually standard but crit is extra stingy this game

[wary needle]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-falling-building-fall-woodz-gif-24715383

[south marsh]

27 crit from gear set is also more stingy then other games

[sterile snow]

this is what I have so far with crit on everything

+6% head equipment

But I mean it would be pretty broken if you have 100% crit

[vast swallow]

Elp

It says patching but i dont see the bar

Ive reinstalled it 2 times now

😭

[thorn spear]

🦆 🚬

[timber glade]

maybe install somewhere else? not in c but D idk

how many disks u have

[charred vortex]

ask customer support of stove

[thin gate]

the 2 yuki builds i've been happy wiyh

with*

and this cassius was pretty good, just get draw and dupe jokers

[charred vortex]

wait u also have the same issue for asia and you live in asia right?

[thorn spear]

huh?

when did I say those

I don't play anymore

[craggy steeple]

does she fucks dog guy

i imagine she does with all the aoe

anyone can confirm?

[wary needle]

id hope so

Tho It is a piece of shit fight even for aoe cus the bitch spawns more in between turns

[charred vortex]

ah ok

[mild sky]

omgBruh

at least make it morale

[raven dove]

wtf this is dog shit!!!!!!

every 4 cards so you can get 2 at most

i guess for 1 cost not that terrible

[wooden eagle]

bro went from dog shit to not that terrible

[peak torrent]

its like 1 cost gear bag

[raven dove]

pretty sure this card is mis worded too, it only draws Rin's cards still

[craggy steeple]

indi

[peak torrent]

holy

[raven dove]

i mean they deserve it if they're using Cass + Nia

[lament isle]

That's what jena did so that's what the rabble did

What's the most effective Yuki build so far though

[raven dove]

who the fk would use 2 sups and a single dps

shit wouldn't work with any unit

[sterile snow]

Me with my kayron

[peak torrent]

need veronica to fix her shit st dmg

[peak torrent]

prob vero/yuki/ w/e supp u can get 50 gear bags on

[sterile snow]

But I was watching yesterday

And Jena is kinda right kayron can do everything Yuki can but better

[wooden eagle]

yeah but does kayron have gigantic titties

exactly

checkmate

[lament isle]

Idk man that shoulder kinda broad 🏳️‍🌈

[wary needle]

they showed their true colors with this therapy feature

[peak torrent]

yep kayron has way better scaling

I don't think anyone is saying yuki is SSS tier like kayron though

honestly her biggest problem is khalipe does similar dmg while shielding and not requiring card draw

[mild sky]

yeah you need vero with her

[sweet remnant]

why is this rated 48k

[mild sky]

she thins the deck with her upgrades so it helps the draws with her draw skill

[craggy steeple]

um

[lament isle]

This is veronicas world

[mild sky]

wrong my favorite streamer said vero was bad

[raven dove]

you copied her ult card

[sweet remnant]

its worth that much?

[raven dove]

yea look at the save data thing in game

[lament isle]

They said it's shock but if Korean incels choose the first option, she'll barely notice

[sweet remnant]

why is this one worth so much less then

[main falcon]

🤏

[main falcon]

Not much epiphanies

[peak torrent]

no epi

[sweet remnant]

? it has 6 epiphanies and one divine

[main falcon]

Normal epiphanies dont cost much

[raven dove]

u have your basic cards

[peak torrent]

u also didn't remove any cards

[sweet remnant]

card removal is high value too then i suppose

[main falcon]

Oh yeah basic cards dont cost much

[sweet remnant]

I did remove them but it didn't save

[lament isle]

I don't get the points too tbh my most effective Kayron is just 35k

[peak torrent]

and ur gear is shit

[raven dove]

no if you remove them your tb goes up

[main falcon]

Card removal is especially high cost if it's basics

[peak torrent]

card removal is highest cost tbh

those and monster cards

[sweet remnant]

tb is a cost?

[main falcon]

We dont really look at tb

[peak torrent]

tb is an approximation of how much it costs

[main falcon]

It's faint memory we focus on now

[peak torrent]

but now it straight up tells you

it costs 50 points to do ur thing

that's less than 1 monster card

[sweet remnant]

yeah 50 points is max at my difficulty as far as i understand

i can't do higher difficulties yet

[peak torrent]

copying 2 cards is only 10 points iirc

[wooden eagle]

well tb is just a score of your total save

[wooden eagle]

equips and all

[peak torrent]

there u go

removing 3 basics costs 5 trillion points

[sweet remnant]

ah i see

i'm at tier 5 right now

i guess 70 is max but i never saw it

nvm i got 80 points once

[lament isle]

So I'm checking yuki from the story, inspiration seems to activate if ANY card is drawn right

Not just the attack card itself?

Oh NVM seems like just the attack card

[wooden eagle]

correct

[lament isle]

Story translation also wasn't bad at the beginning but it gets worse and worse

I think there's an ok story in between my inability to comprehend anything

[wooden eagle]

[craggy steeple]

what if i post this to them and give them ur discord id

[upbeat cobalt]

https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/01K920RZ7QHTGVX4TAP987QMB3/4x.avif

[wary needle]

hate that it looks so natural, usually this shit uncanny

[mild sky]

does anyone get how her ego skill works

does it move it from the graveyard or does it have to be in the drawpile

[raven dove]

ego skill is the skills on the left side

what u mean

oooooooo

yuki thing

puts the cards on top of the deck

why gold better than purple

[wooden eagle]

what do you mean

orange is for one attack card

purple is for attack cards

[lament isle]

Pog finally I'm LV 50

[raven dove]

yeah but it procs once so what if you draw 1 attack card

[lament isle]

Regular pull got nothing but 20 pull closer to selector at least

I think I'll get Veronica to 60 she's like used in every team

[wooden eagle]

then for that turn you get the 35% dmg buff on your own attack cards

[raven dove]

should only do 55 tbh

[lament isle]

She's also ataya

Ayaya

55? Okayge

[raven dove]

or else you will have nothing after

[lament isle]

I guess there are diminishing returns

[raven dove]

50-60 is the same as 1-50

mat wise

[hoary sluice]

Hop on epic seven

[main falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-d-crouch-grab-get-serious-dr-disrespect-2time-back-to-back-gif-16886108

Hop on deez

[timber glade]

she does noddle dmg but she is hot

[mild sky]

is this a good save

i feel like her draw skill is littearlly the best one

[timber glade]

i got LACARIED

[raven dove]

other than that added iron wall yeah looks good

[lament isle]

wajaja

[raven dove]

+1 ap on draw too

[mild sky]

iron wall is upgrade so its fine

[peak torrent]

iron wall is good its just not good for basin

[mild sky]

😔

[peak torrent]

if it wasn't turn limited iron wall would actually be SSS tier card

gives you insane survivability

[lament isle]

Surely they'll move away from basin as their main end game right

[peak torrent]

unfortunately even in the boss stage

there's a risk that puts you on time limit

for fun

[wary needle]

wheres the nia L2D

[native jackal]

waiting till new banner paid off

[wary needle]

yea didnt expect to get the character this soon

if this was blue archive theres no chance youre getting it until fes

man idk who to lvl 60 besides my two dps

either build a third dps, a subdps or rei/cass to help sustain in that core

[raven dove]

this new chaos seem like cheeks me thinksd

atleast just did an entire run with 3 epi

lmao

[wooden eagle]

wheres the amir L2D

[raven dove]

[lament isle]

The annoying thing is no zero system buff I am spoiled by free shop refreshes

[short rune]

[lament isle]

om

[main falcon]

[craggy steeple]

in what situation would that card ever be good

[wooden eagle]

future finale character

[main falcon]

Retain decks

Maybe you manipulate your top deck card with a retain then use this

But it's too gimmicky

[short rune]

yeah it's such a specific use case

this card is pretty good

it seems like only the increase dmg amount inspiration stacks

kinda wished it could stack for the +1 hit

[wary needle]

+ 1

basin 9 more tankier than 10

[woeful forge]

The first time I've gotten 2 5* in czn

I've hear scarlet is good for rin

But i only have mei lin as my 5* striker and haru

[woeful forge]

Ayo

All this in 1 day

[south marsh]

for the first time this rare enemy had the chance to kille me because of the most aids buff possible but i still won even after every cost increase was on my rin unclucky

[hazy nebula]

ahhhhhhh

more lucas dupes

they're going to call me the lucas guy soon

[craggy patrol]

now go play luke, lucas

[lament isle]

The only Japanese player posting

[hazy nebula]

they're not called owners

yeah cause they're having fun

a

the only people complaining about yuki being absolutely garbage are global players

like jenazad has just been saying yuki is bad or someone else is doing more damage every 1 minute

im sure hes not the only content creator that is non stop saying that

[craggy patrol]

imagine being in that powercreep mindset where every new character has to be better than any release before

cringe

[lament isle]

Jena is actually influential, I'm p sure redditors are just parroting him

[hazy nebula]

i mean they're not wrong that she doesnt do that much damage

but when your content is just about constantly saying that yuki is bad for the whole stream

[lament isle]

Got to forgive them they're hoyo gamers and are used to honkee starbucks

[hazy nebula]

they just need to add a few more % onto her kit and she will be good

maybe like 80% more damage onto all her skills

[craggy patrol]

imagine you couldnt skip a banner because u will need every new unit.... oh wait

aware

[hazy nebula]

the problem is that the strongest carries in this game are broken

in a sense that they can cheat out free damage

while yuki has to spend a lot of AP

Mei Lin can literally pull out free punches

for 0 AP

[craggy patrol]

ive seen a hella fun tressa build

with infinite agony

and that shit keeps popping for 20sec

thats what makes the game fun for me

not mei lin being "play 6 0 punches, do your kick and crit for 10k"

i really like mei but her playstyle sometimes is a bit too straight forward

[hazy nebula]

Renoa can generate dirge bullets by just drawing cards with cassius or something and then full discard for like 1 AP

or able to clone her upgrade for free bullets every turn

[craggy patrol]

i really enjoyed the runs with rin and orlea personally

that was hella fun

[hazy nebula]

Yuki doesnt have any cheat free cards or free damage in her kit

[craggy patrol]

sturdie is so fucking good for sustain especially if you take the weaken epi

amir still one of my favs tho

but the team with magna, amir, mari on low lvl chaos

is so fucking clunky

its insane

xD

will prolly spend the day on that acc tho to progress

and see how it goes later

[hoary sluice]

Look I didn’t want to say it but rim is fucking ass

Her skills are way too conditional

[craggy patrol]

i think its fine

[woeful forge]

Doesn't he talk to devs or something

[craggy patrol]

almost everything gets u into stance at some point

[mild sky]

the only thing i hate about rin is that she uses so many clocks if you auto pilot

[lament isle]

As content creator yeah

[short rune]

so close

[thin gate]

she can have 2 but its not great lol

flash slash has a -2 cost epi and her basic 1pp slash

idk why people were expecting haru tiers of damage on an aoe focused char

"but haru has aoe too" yeah but its 1 card and no one in their right mind are duping/building aoe haru

[hazy nebula]

because people got spoilt on how broken mei lin and renoa is

both of those characters are busted

[wooden eagle]

the only 1pp yuki needs is mine

[hazy nebula]

like if mei lin got nerfed then people will cry

the only way that they can win is if they make yuki stronger

to match how broken the release characters are

[thin gate]

saw some reddit post like

[hazy nebula]

if they made 2 new bosses for this season that isnt a single target boss

it would be better

[thin gate]

"yuki is so bad, i've been using her alongside khalipe and mika"

and I'm like

dude

look at the fucking team too

how is she proccing any draws

this one

[hazy nebula]

also i think one big problem with yuki is that her inspiration playstyle is super bad if you draw it for the turn

i think they should remove that restriction

i think it should apply if you draw it at any time

cause the damage isnt that great, inspiration is meant to buff it

but then if thats the case then its just base and inspiration isnt doing anything

[main falcon]

The technique is having strategic starting point at the start of the turn with god epiphany and being lucky that yuki's ego skill is in the first rotation to put her cards back to the deck and at the same time be lucky enough to have draw cards on your first hand

[hazy nebula]

yuki bad cause she cant do this much damage

smh

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChaosZeroNightmare/comments/1oqxeb6/mei_lin_overkill_170k_damage_judas_in_one_turn/

[thin gate]

yuki too fair and interactive for people to use

[short rune]

I feel like you should be able to stack inspiration effects with Trickery Strike, kinda like how orlea's retain skills work

that's honestly my only complain

[hazy nebula]

i feel like they should do something about first turn draw for inspiration at least

cause it feels really ass

that you get a "bad" hand

by drawing yukis attack cards

[short rune]

locked behind c2

[hazy nebula]

yeah p2w skill issue i guess

[short rune]

[craggy patrol]

feel like magna, amir, mika is better but 3 vanguards is so funny

the amount of counter hits they do is satisfying af to watch

[short rune]

i ran 3 vanguards during the beta

it was so fun

[craggy patrol]

yea i bet

[short rune]

never die

and just infinite counters

[craggy patrol]

but idk how viable that is for zero system

since u dont have heal

and less ap cuz mika is missing

but i have magna e3 on that acc

[short rune]

if u have khalipe she's pretty ap friendly, maybe you can try doing a celestial team with amir

[craggy patrol]

sadly not. the acc is pretty empty except magna

bought it just for her tho

[short rune]

i want magna

[craggy patrol]

i love her VA

[short rune]

might use my standard selector for her

i had e2 magna during the beta

[craggy patrol]

reminds me of delta from eminence in the shadow

which i liked alot too

https://tenor.com/view/delta-gif-27675977

bro that furry rabbit has to be the most pulled 4* partner

[craggy steeple]

i dont got that furry rabbit

therefore factually false just bc i dont have it

[craggy patrol]

i had it on every acc i rolled on

bro is it me trippin or

does amir when she does her ego

sound like

https://tenor.com/view/fate-series-fate-grand-order-quetzalcoatl-fate-anime-gif-19907358

quetzal from fgo

[sterile snow]

somewhat salvageable if you get that purple equipment that lets you discard 3 at the start

found out that if you have 2 of them the other procs right after

[thin gate]

i checked yuki's VA

why is she immensively more popular voicing male chars

i know its not unheard of just funny the ratio

of roles

[lament isle]

So she voices either man character or man eater

[main falcon]

Isn't it common for females to voice young version of males?

[thin gate]

ye it is

pretty sure she voices child thorfinn

since it was listed on va works but I know adult/teen thorfinn is voiced by someone else

[thin gate]

she voices fucking bruno from jojo p5

oh and barou (i think young barou too tho)

ok i think its just a bunch of flashback voice overs, idr bruno or barou having any scenes like that

and i didnt watch the other popular shows

as for girls she voices shimoneta MC, which is fitting af lol

also stella from rakudai kishi which was some LN slop with 1 season show

[lament isle]

Hmm well she did a good job here

[craggy patrol]

those mfers swapped my second gearbag with normal attack

i hate that

as if that deck takes that much pts

wait it took the epi from gear bag too

..

[lament isle]

Honestly with a better and actually understandable story this game is goat

The gameplay loop lends itself well for lore shit

Unfortunate what happened

[wooden eagle]

yeah they fucked up

they should just shut the game down

[hazy nebula]

wrong

the devs need to kneel down and apologize first

[main falcon]

Devs need to send the players actual girlfriends

Ow*n traumatized everyone

[craggy patrol]

owen in my walls

[craggy patrol]

funny that the reroll andies went pretty quite after first day of yuki releae

on epicnpc

[fast lodge]

you're still in lower tiers it is what it is

dam so close, might break open the pots

[craggy patrol]

yeah still sucks that u cant save a good run though

but yeah is what it is

[craggy patrol]

pls game

dont let that be fucked

frost charge kinda whack epi but

overall so solid for a low lvl run

[fast lodge]

[sweet remnant]

the AI will do anything other than use anchor shot with haru huh?

[craggy patrol]

watch ai using orlea for maximum waytoodank

[sweet remnant]

I feel like they could win an award for worst AI

wow

it actually managed to die with mika in the party

people must be hitting for like 6k with haru built

[craggy patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDnyUaw7d5Q

lisara with new juice

[sweet remnant]

step 1: get e2 orlea with an insane deck

[craggy patrol]

i mean

at least hes orlea enjoyer

and i dont think her e2 matters

it didnt matter for his rin build vid either

[wooden eagle]

i just need one more then