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#Shadowverse
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Decks that have high winstreaks are not necessarily good decks
Multiple things I don't like about that list already
blissful olive
yeah it looked like ass but somehow fella went 10-0
for that same reason tho i dont look at like 5 wins or whatever
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@blissful olive has leveled up! (71 ➜ 72)
blissful olive
cuz u can just get lucky too
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This is what I use, and I managed 15 wins in a row while climbing. Understand that win streaking in the first week, before GM, is not that difficult since a lot of people are experimenting and playing sub optimally
blissful olive
even i was on 8 WS earlier today
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If you see people who are already at 1750 CR or above, that's a better metric to follow
blissful olive
id rather run 2 odins then her tbh
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Correct.
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Usually
blissful olive
i really dont like that 4 cost card tho
maybe not at 3 cuz it just turns into a 3 for heal 3 and u might not even need it late game just dead in hand
the few games i played it didnt even show up till i didnt need it anymore
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i really dont like that 4 cost card tho
And yet, Dragon is still tier 1 despite that
Both you, and many other people, don't understand the concept of "ramp tax"
Ramp classes need cards that look bad in a vacuum because ramp changes the way the game works
blissful olive
i think the newt is also lowkey slept on
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Newt is good. Just no room.
blissful olive
easy 2 for 1 or just 1 and ambush
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Newt belongs in a different deck that is not ramp.
If you think there's room for that card in the deck, feel free
But there's a reason it's not played (unless it's evo dragon)
blissful olive
dragon will get support for its mid range or whatever type next set
theres a pattern here
next set mode abyss is gonna get more shit 2 lol
n i was right about dirt coming back
they got a pattern it look like
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Midrange dragon won't be a thing. Classic ramp will just cannibalize the good cards
blissful olive
well more like storm
i suspect they will get another one to rep forte or something in that ball park
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Storm ramp was already a thing. Still abused ramp.
Most people would dislike a forte re-print
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Discard would need a lot of support
In addition to a Neptune and Filene replacement
Both those are gone next
blissful olive
next in what 2 months
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Correct
blissful olive
thats when abyss gonna pop off frfr
we gonna get super cerberus
she gonna have storm
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Your idiotic wishes will never manifest
And yet abyss will continue to be top tier despite that
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Got shit I need to do today. Gym, then air force stuff
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Pretty sure they have the most, yeah
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Nevia will still downplay Abyss
mystic tartan
blissful olive
u just wait
ive been right about everything n i see their pattern
next set abyss will be ass cuz its gonna be mode support
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Mode is still a good deck, they're not losing much from set 2 and they'd still have the power of set 7
Massive dumbass
I've literally seen everything except shakdoh since set 7
blissful olive
theres a handful of good mode cards but mode abyss as a whole package is not good
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No shit. Good mode lists are not pure mode. That's been the case since set 4
Keep up
blissful olive
yeah so its still gonna be ass
but now that we see the release formula we can kinda just tell how things are gonna go
they could also go the other direction
cuz once sham is gone its a dead archetype unless shes replaced
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Sham doesn't leave until 4 months from now and the deck should die, honestly
It doesn't represent any aspect of shadow nor blood
blissful olive
she represents mode without her it cant exist
theyd have 2 replace her with something to keep mode alive or they can just let it go
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Yeah, I'm saying she shouldn't exist
It's a super generic control deck
https://www.reddit.com/r/Shadowverse/comments/1t11mhe/currently_abyss_alone_has_more_beyond_players/
Reddit
blissful olive
herself isnt that terrible tho
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I'm not talking about power level.
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Mode, as a concept, is boring
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I'm climbing at lightning speed
Dragon is tier 1 FOR SURE
It's honestly hilarious. You just ramp and win
blissful olive
dragon also shits all over abyss
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blissful olive
if u ramp they cant play the game
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I played against an aggro portal and an artifact portal
Those fellas coping harder than Sword players
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That's the best deck but there's 3 different portal decks right now
Actually, 4, technically
Eggs, aggro, evo/artifact, artifact/artifact (gundam)
blissful olive
pov you dont ramp
blissful olive
i had 1 zooey on turn 7 lol
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I can tell.
I was experimenting with a 2 gaze list but I realized that even though you can only ramp with it once, finding your ramp on time is way too important
Playing burnite on your first SEVO drastically increases your odds of winning
(assuming the opponent didn't already die to Wilnas)
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lol
Dirt would have to be very lucky to win.
Let's put it that way
I've barely seen dirt rune past day 1
And it's not surprising when you see the leaderboards
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Odin doesn't deal with Wilnas if they ramp into him
If they ramp into Wilnas, you better hope they can't kill you next turn.
Or hope that you smashed the dragon player's face in so badly that they die after dropping him
blissful olive
thats only way abyss wins rn
evo does really well tho but if they sevo erntz its kinda over
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Like if you're worried that much about dragon, you honestly just have to run a faster list
Like the list with mummies & fists
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That too
blissful olive
and just go all face or die
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Those builds already exist
I don't think it's more popular than midrange
But it's out there
blissful olive
yeah i tried a few of em
i could prob fit ex into mid range if i really wanted 2 but eh
maybe for shits and giggles
blissful olive
i do think over all evo performs better than mid
but evo cant beat dragon
but its good vs everything else
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They ramp into things you can't deal with, Armes is too slow and Belial gets countered by Zooey
blissful olive
if i can ramp into him early its hard for them to deal with
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tempted 2 just do this lowkey but id have to only use vials for next set
Depends. What do you want to pull?
blissful olive
the ticket? prob adahime
see where im at near the end maybe idk
i got unkei with a random 1 off pack
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Here we go again
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The most annoying part about facing abyss is that it could legitimately be at least 4 different decks
mystic tartan
True
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Updated list. Too much abyss, so I need the promoter.
blissful olive
i saw few people running lighting blast or w/e its called
to deal with all the 1/1s as well
mystic tartan
facts
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i saw few people running lighting blast or w/e its called
Raging lightning. I've run it in the past. Don't like it because it can backfire.
blissful olive
theres that other card roar but it deals to all so not good
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Roar is too dependent on the enemy having a board, and there's several decks that don't (egg, crest, amulet)
At minimum, raging lightning does face damage if your hp is lower
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theres that other card roar but it deals to all so not good
Hitting your own followers is irrelevant because you won't have the board in most situations and if you do, it'll be with something like Wilnas, which roar shouldn't kill in most situations.
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A bibatii nerf is long overdue. That would hit every single abyss deck on the ladder.
I'm not sure it needs anything beyond that
mystic tartan
Yeah bibatii nerf would be pog
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I've seen people complain about the Feline but I don't think it needs a nerf.
mystic tartan
that single card is too cheap with how useful it is
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Consider the fact that Mukan was necromancy (8) and an extra playpoint
Necromancy 6 should definitely happen
Necromancy 8 would be overkill but honestly, Abyss would deserve it
mystic tartan
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I could even see an argument for a double tap nerf. Necromancy 4 -> 6. Cost 3 -> 4
Rodeo also needs a buff. Haven isn't weak but that card definitely is.
mystic tartan
ngl I think I'm just chilling this season, sword is basically not that great against the likes of Milteo, Evo Abyss, Ramp Dragon
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I mean, you say you're a sword one-trick but you do play dragon
I think Sword might be deserving of a buff but that would be controversial since the class has been historically very privileged
mystic tartan
nah I'm bad at Dragon
I need to lock in usually
I mald often
Playing that craft
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You need to be blessed by Kandima to draw your ramp on time
That's the hardest part of playing dragon
mystic tartan
Facto
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No, your pet craft is going to get dumpstered at the end of the month
blissful olive
im fully aware next set will be dookie ass
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You're downplaying Bibatii pretty hard right now. They would not replace the card. They would still run her, because even if she's nerfed, she's still a good card draw option
Loot Sword still had to run returning slash post nerf, for example
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I was just spit balling ideas. I don't think they'll nerf the card that hard
They should hit it, though
blissful olive
ordine
this man need to get wit the times
run the centaur and al your problem solved
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I cut centaur for Odin because centaur is a brick unless it's lethal
blissful olive
horse girl also work
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Biggest problem with Sword right now is if they play aggro, they struggle to close the game but if they go full evo, they get out late gamed by basically everyone
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Trying out a bit of a different build.
Better against decks like crest, amulet & eggs
All roads lead back to Sandalphon
blissful olive
they right about 1 thing
sword can easily match the tempo
saying it hard to target abyss make no sense cuz all of their early game the same really
mystic tartan
sword can easily match the tempo
it doesnt even matter
cus they gonna heal anyway
Fediel
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sword can easily match the tempo
They can't, though. It's why Sword is struggling at high cr
blissful olive
fidiel is in evo u wont find her in mid range much now
if at all , fellas moved over to ruleneye
you can run fids if u not running hark basically atp u using 2 much necros u cant have em all
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Even without Fediel, which midrange does not run (to my knowledge), Sword cannot keep up with abyss
blissful olive
yeah u have a choice
fids is still very good but if u also running hark u out of gas for macdonalds its 2 much necros
unkempt lava
The new chest system is a good step
blissful olive
its stronger cuz less board wipes for sure
mystic tartan
nah its just these retards abyss cucks player
blissful olive
i agree lets blame sword
mystic tartan
they are like those Haven players
mystic tartan
man fuck them Amulet players
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Shadowverse/comments/1t46xtq/hot_take_abysscraft_is_not...
That sub is a bad take magnet
Cue the people who will be surprised that Amulet Haven will rise to tier 1 if Abyss is nerfed
Also the same people who refuse to accept earth rite is dogshit
mystic tartan
dragon can shit all over abyss
thats why u aggro the fuck out of them
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Dragon loses to Milteo but you're correct that it beats everything else (except non milteo aggro, which is rare)
blissful olive
the only reason is how uninteractive dragon has become
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intimidate moment
I've cut Wilnas because it does nothing against Amulet Haven
blissful olive
abyss cant clear shit so they just die
mystic tartan
yeah Amulet Haven
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That match up is even
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Even with my triple Odin list
mystic tartan
cus its all Abyss or Amulet
Amulet just heal
the fuck out of u
until the turn they Lyan
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gotta be the most boring mirror
Never seen a crest or egg mirror, clearly
blissful olive
i think id rather scoop an egg mirror
blissful olive
shit sounds about as exciting as watching flies fuck
blissful olive
buff to what
mystic tartan
Forest
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Buffs should wait until the end of the month, imo. Takes more time to do correctly.
Nerfs, however, are simpler
mystic tartan
honestly just want Bibatii
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Since problem cards are easy to point out
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to be nerfed af
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Buff forest's problem is that if you don't draw Thestae in time, you lose and you have no way to tutor her
However, even if you get her on time
The deck doesn't just automatically win
It's still mediocre
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Yeah, people seem to think it's only an abyss counter
When that's extremely far from the truth
mystic tartan
if u cant beat them before Lyan its literally joever
blissful olive
i feel like fellas just lying
bro posted getting beyond but the list is this lmao
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It's a real list but I haven't had success with it
My list is more consistent, especially for average players
blissful olive
this list is clearly made to try and deal with early game abyss and nothing else
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Also, despite being dogshit, Sword is still very popular, which is why i run 3 fates
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this list is clearly made to try and deal with early game abyss and nothing else
The list doesn't run Ocean Rider and doesn't run 3 Neptunes
It's not even optimal for that purpose
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3x Neptune is more important because most abyss aren't killing you early game
They take over mid game
Promoter is very good, though
Either way, you can't hit Beyond with any list so who are you to say who's lying or not?
blissful olive
ngl dirt is still cancer nothing can make a board this bullshit to clear lol
blissful olive
i tried running that list and literally nothing can clear
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Dirt is literally ass right now
You have to set up galm
That's always been the case
blissful olive
my only options was like neptune or burnite in this scenario
nep cant clear so i used burnite but u have 2 leave 2 golem alive
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That screenshot isn't even showing your hand
Also, it's not even t6 norman
It's t8
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nep cant clear so i used burnite but u have 2 leave 2 golem alive
This isnt a death sentence because Dirt struggles to close games
This is why you suck
blissful olive
oh brother on the high horse again are we 
did i say i gave up no i just said u cant clear it
which is a fact
i also notice that list dont even have wilnas or odin
the 5 drop newt is pretty good tho he'll prob get more play at some point
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i also notice that list dont even have wilnas or odin
Wilnas just lets you win easy match ups harder. He does nothing against Haven
blissful olive
haven has better or perhaps the best removal in the game so intimidate isnt an issue
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did i say i gave up no i just said u cant clear it
We've had this discussion before. There are many situations where you can't full clear a board. If you're saying you didn't top left, why complain about it?
Pointless bitching about a low tier deck
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the 5 drop newt is pretty good tho he'll prob get more play at some point
He's good but fits more in a dedicated evo list like the one you shared
You can't just splash him in a normal ramp deck
The evo list can't fit Odin, which is why I don't like it
And amulet haven is going to keep ramping up in popularity, especially if abyss is nerfed
blissful olive
lowkey abyss not getting touched
i might try new milteo i see fellas just basically running dogged one now
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lowkey abyss not getting touched
If there's no news this week, probably
blissful olive
i was scammed
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Pretty good considering you only used 6 keys
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Madman
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Sword is extremely bottom tier.
mystic tartan
lol sword is so relying on the enemy doesnt have answer to their stuffs now
Amulet has it all tho
if they dont bricked
mystic tartan
its extremely tier 1
beside abyss
what do u wanna say
like people playing Amulet doesnt say anything rn
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Anyone who's not blind knows Amulet is very strong. It's not just a counter to Abyss.
In fact, if Abyss is nerfed, Amulet Haven will be even more popular
blissful olive
not with that attitude its not
make u a deal
abyss gets nerfed but ordine never gets to play albert again
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abyss gets nerfed but ordine never gets to play albert again
This is already the case in rotation
Besides, there were more broken things than Albert
mystic tartan
just waiting for another him
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I would take that deal because again, Sword has had access to broken shit, not named Albert
Despite Albert having like 3 re-prints
blissful olive
albert function is still albert
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What, attacking twice? That's never been exclusive to Albert
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They're never giving blood wolf back to Abyss. In fact, the 2 pp storm unit that just got printed went to Forest
Because it's hard for them to abuse it
blissful olive
doesn it need combo 3
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mystic tartan
that card is too op
also all 3 play her
i literally rant about Bibatii only here
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my only grip is Bibatii
I can see arguments for an Adahime nerf.
Nerfing fists is pointless because nerfing Bibatii already hurts Milteo's early game
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Feline has high stats because he doesn't draw 2. He's pretty similar to the sword silver.
Maybe -1/-1
But I haven't had issues with Feline
mystic tartan
Either way we'll see cus I rather take Abyss honestly
Against Haven
haven is so annoying
unkempt lava
Intro card packs are stupid. Should've just copied the hearthstone returning player system
mystic tartan
lol
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The game makes it extremely clear in-game that they're pauper cards too
Absolutely terrible
blissful olive
yeah intro packs are trash
just give out real packs cygames greed knows no bounds
mystic tartan
my goat with me 
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I doubt that. I don't run Gil
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I do run Noel, though
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My issue with evo sword is always trying to find seofon in time
Keeping him in the mulligan is too risky
blissful olive
centaur up
mystic tartan
centaur is not that great
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He isn't, but I still decided to put him in over Yurius
mystic tartan
elnosabe
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@blissful olive Your turn to hit Beyond, lil' homie
blissful olive
i might not even hit GM this set
theres so much shit out rn
this set d4 expansion im still doing EX farms
i hit GM or w/e the beyond equivalent is in yugioh good enough lol
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You're talking about Master Duel, I assume?
Apparently, there's a rating system after Master 1. I assume that also means a leaderboard
blissful olive
i dunno what they added i havent played since new exodia cards
blissful olive
Well maybe if I get bored now
I'm visiting my folks for mother's day I'll be here for like a week but their tablet can run the game it's pretty much the only thing I can play out here
NGL playing on tablet has been kind of annoying
red plover
I only play crest, dont look at me 
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this rotation of dragoncraft bricks a lot.
No, it doesn't.
I really don't know why people keep saying this.
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Genuine skill issue.
If dragoncraft auto lost to abyss, there wouldn't be a single dragon player at beyond
blissful olive
The early game can be rough
If you get through that without much issue u just win usually
I might deadass put juggular or tear i abyss lacks removal pretty hard rn
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The early game can be rough
Well, it's a ramp deck. Taking damage in the early game is a given.
If you can ramp while taking no damage, it's super gg
At beyond, I haven't seen a single midrange abyss lately. It's either milteo or evo
Evo forest has also been on the rise
blissful olive
Evo abyss is hot ass dragon tho
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There's barely any evo abyss in Beyond right now
I'm caught between the evo forest & milteo abyss cucks
Milteo abyss in particular has been fucking me over
Very annoying.
Edited my deck to the point where I only run 2 new cards now.
blissful olive
Damn dragon suk
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Their turn 4 was bibatii and drawing 2 in the same turn
Also, milteo will just never reanimate dodger now
Unless you want to hold off on bibatii til he's played. Usually a bad idea for tempo
Pretty important interaction since milteo has less damage without LR cards
So they need every ghost
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Small changes do make a difference when analyzing match ups, i.e. dragon
My current win rate is only slightly below 50% despite it being a bad match up
Small nerfs do tilt these match ups the other way
Just like the sathanid nerf did
blissful olive
I guess? Lol dragon alrwady shits on anyss if u can ramp or make it to turn5 withiut bleeding
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Dragon does not shit on milteo
It's slightly favorable against midrange and very favorable against evo
blissful olive
Well.milteo is diff sure they dont care about ur board
Abyss only peoblem is clearing
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Even when you break it down by archetype, milteo is still on top
Be grateful they're not getting nerfed harder
What actually needs buffs is Sword & Rune
Although Sword is debatable because all they need is another Albert level finisher and loot will rise from the dead
blissful olive
Sword is always going to basically be one storm away from being broken
Next set they're probably going to be insane it's just a given
Which should be what the end of June I guess
blissful olive
Pre nerf loot b4 next set
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No point. The returning slash nerf was already enough to delete loot sword from ranked even though albert was still available.
A good storm finisher would bring loot back into the meta but it'd be tier 2 at best.
Pre nerf loot sword was the only aggro deck besides milteo that had a good balance of damage and healing (goblet spam)
blissful olive
I agree abyss needs buffs
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@mystic tartan Can't play right now, how's the post patch meta?
mystic tartan
i barely played this week
but yeah Abyss is decreasing for sure
i meet many Dragon
or Amulet Haven
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Exactly what I predicted.
So many people thought Amulet is only good against abyss
Like no, it's clearly t1
A lot of decks can't kill before lyanthoth and very few decks can outheal it
Most portal builds can cuck their card draw, though
mystic tartan
yeah even with Dragon
u need good hand
like real ramp into real damage
that 2pp 2 draw 2 all damage 2 heal is so annoying
especially with the 4pp amulet destroy
honestly i hope Cygames print more banish shit
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that 2pp 2 draw 2 all damage 2 heal is so annoying
I run 3 odins for a reason
mystic tartan
yeah Odin is great
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I have a positive w/r vs amulets
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honestly i hope Cygames print more banish shit <:kek:1092598898490613760>
Well, Odin rotates so if they don't, we're cooked
The 4 pp banish is not good
mystic tartan
yep
red plover
love using them against eggs though 
blissful olive
Im glad this hit milteo most boring deck
blissful olive
Lowkey im just happy with feee 10k vials either way
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Globe fund for me
Already got fully animated dragon, sword and forest
Don't think I'll ever fully animate haven
Maybe portal next
blissful olive
I don't even want to bother playing Portal until we get something other than eggs
Which probably won't be for a year maybe
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Evo Portal & Artifact Portal are not bad decks
Are they better than eggs? No
But they're not bad
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@sick oasis Done with SV? 
Or just bored of the game?
blissful olive
Lowkey i want riftbound to get an online platform been wanting to try that
unkempt lava
If cardfight vanguard had a mobile port like duel links / mtg arena i rather be playing that
sick oasis
<@704927885583974410> Done with SV? <a:Thinkge:978090588920508456> Or just bored...
nah was just bored a bit. and it was a busy tax season last month so didn't have much time to play anyway
i might start playing again next week tho. i feel like anniv is coming soon
blissful olive
didnt this game come out around January ?
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No. It came out last June.
blissful olive
well if so then anni would be like end of june to do something with new set ig
blissful olive
alberto
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No.
blissful olive
blissful olive
le mao
mystic tartan
bbbbbroooookeeeen
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I always like when dumb redditors try to tell me the amulet haven match up is bad for dragon
mystic tartan
I always like when dumb redditors try to tell me the amulet haven match up is ba...
bad if u dont ramp and u dont pull odin and u dont get burnite 
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Yeah, you basically have to get unlucky if you're running the right list
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Sword is in a weird spot right now.
Playing the deck, you can tell it just needs a better finisher than Sandalphon. Sandy is basically a Forest card with how fast they charge it compared to everyone else
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I swap off to play Sword around 1700 and it's an army of dragon players 
It ain't even like this at Beyond
blissful olive
yeah rune got some neat stuff but its not enough
next set is more than likely spellboost support
mystic tartan
ordine is traitor
I don't like evo sword that much
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Yeah, he prefers loot but loot is literally dead
mystic tartan
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Getting better (sort of)
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Well, my issue with Rune right now is that I don't enjoy Earth Rite
And spellboost is only playable in unlimited right now
Even Crystal Rune largely relied on spellboost cards, which is why it's dead in rotation.
Devs wasted all of set 3 giving Rune garbage.
Forest is going to be stuck with garbage except Evo Forest due to lack of foresight from the devs too.
I'd enjoy Earth Rite more if we went back to how it was in SV1, which was relying on burn damage to win, instead of the neutral evo win con
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I swapped to loot @mystic tartan
mystic tartan
I've been meeting milteo abyss and hate them 
blissful olive
milteo is prob the best deck rn unironically for abyss
mystic tartan
they using the girl that can use storm if enemy evolve
mystic tartan
hopefully more balance change
blissful olive
lol gl
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hopefully more balance change
Buffs, probably. I'm not expecting a milteo double tap
mystic tartan
blissful olive
sword nerfs soon dw
mystic tartan
lol no way
blissful olive
yeah but its payback time
mystic tartan
bruh Artifact is actually back
mystic tartan
fading echo
The artifact buffs are pretty nice
mystic tartan
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Also, I'm pissed. I barely missed top 1k. I was nearly 130k MP
🤦🏾♂️
And that's despite traveling to NYC and VA the past two weeks
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Sword will never be tier 1 without an adequate finisher and the reason is decks like egg, crest & dragon
Praying that control decks don't have an appropriate board clear is not a viable strategy
Like I always say, winning via board is a meme
mystic tartan
Sword will never be tier 1 without an adequate finisher and the reason is decks ...
facto
sandal is too slow
u already dead
blissful olive
milteo is dead
thank god honestly i did not enjoy playing that shit
X
artifact buff is kinda decent ngl
@umbral seal @mystic tartan
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milteo is dead
No, it's not. Arguably t2 now, but not dead.
Also, you're late
Milteo might be dead next set because they're losing 6 ghost generators
So unless they get more, it's rough
blissful olive
having him be 7 i think its just gonna ruin it
like ur getting it so late into the game now
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It kills the deck's ability to clear boards before sevo unlock, that is definitely true.
It doesn't change being able to play him for the sevo whether you're going first or second
Although you're no longer able to throw down an extra 1 cost on curve
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Gotta say, I don't think I've seen a single Milteo today
It's all been midrange, except for one oddball evo abyss.
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milteo is dead
https://www.reddit.com/r/Shadowverse/comments/1tqu26x/milteo_got_nerf_in_one_day_and_then_back_to_s/
Reddit
Mild shock.
Like I said, the cost increase only hurts some interactions
Their early pressure is the same, their reach is the same
blissful olive
yeah early game dont change but its still quite a hit
you basically dont even need to run it now
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Run what? Milteo? No, you still do.
If you're not running milteo, just play midrange or evo
blissful olive
i mean u can still do fine without him
theres nothing else better 2 run for 7 iirc so yeah sure
but by turn 7 u if u didnt draw complete ass u probably already in a winning position ( if they arnt healing alot )
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lol
No, anything that is even remotely meta is beating a Milteo deck that doesn't draw him. 9 times out of 10
Suggesting otherwise is hilariously divorced from reality
Ways you could win without Milteo would have to involve high-rolling or getting Charon to hit face for 6 because she's hiding behind Raz
And even then, it's unlikely without Milteo to close the game out
blissful olive
thats another thing
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This was more realistic with Rage of Serpents. The deck lacks significant reach without Milteo. Dragon, both Haven decks & even Evo Forest have enough healing and/or wards to stabilize after the early onslaught
blissful olive
seeing charon in a '' milteo'' deck is wild
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To the point where Milteo is needed to close the game
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seeing charon in a '' milteo'' deck is wild
Not really, and it gained popularity after cqcq went 8-0 with it in ocs (Osaka championship series)
The guy only plays strong decks, which i also stated last set when he got on the crystal rune hype train very early
Charon's utility, even if she doesn't hit face, is generating more tokens (preferably ghosts) to fuel milteo
The deck building makes sense if you take 5 seconds to think about it
blissful olive
if she can bring back raz its really good yeah
atp tho this deck is more just aggro not really ''milteo''
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Even if Charon doesn't, it's still a good inclusion. Raz just makes it harder to kill Charon without specific answers
Milteo has always been aggro first, combo later
Pure aggro would run mummies & exella
No one runs that
blissful olive
exella is pretty good 2 but its hard 2 fit
