Shadowverse

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That's not how that works

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yes i literally just crapped all over a evo forest

but it doesnt matter if im emerald or beyond

this is a high roll deck

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Ramp dragon by nature is a high roll deck and that was universally considered tier 1 last set

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and if u dont draw 1 card there is a strong chance u can lose

this is a fact

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Spellboost, by nature, is a high roll deck

That was tier 1 for the first 3 sets

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spell boost also has a lot of clear

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Being a highroll deck does not disqualify a deck from being tier 1

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abyss doesnt

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You're not listening

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i dont think any deck where ur win is decided by a coin flip can be S tier

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I polymorphed a dragon player's fan and he conceded immediately

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yeah facebook has many frogs

well indo one

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@fading echo Buff portal.

Destruction is actually ass now Evo is the only thing viable, basically.

[fading echo]

i don't think it's that bad you can't play bubs anymore he's too slow

cut all the slow shit and try to kill people turn 7

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@umbral seal

why dont u join this shit

u have a good chance id say

[mystic tartan]

i join

we meme it up

atleast got an emblem if u play

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im joining yeah fuck it

long as im not working or something should be fine its also late at night

[mystic tartan]

its morning for me

[nocturne karma]

@mystic tartan has leveled up! (97 ➜ 98)

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https://x.com/ignideus/status/2029134833990107213

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X · Mar 4, 2026, 10:00 AM

if any1 else wanted

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Tournaments are a completely different beast from ladder but sure.

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i mean might as well

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Definitely bringing evo forest. Unsure about the 2nd deck.

Probably discard dragon.

Or maybe enhance + discard

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Turn 4

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im expecting a bunch of forest n sword

so im prob gonna run abyss and dragon

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I am portal's strongest soldier this set

Killed a loot player on turn 4

Accelerated puppets -> turn 4 yog + puppets = gg

Especially if your opponent just ignores the puppets

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do u get extra shit btw

if ur like ult or beyond etc when season ends

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No, end of month rewards are based on MP gained, not CR

So there is a reason to grind the ladder, but not a reason to be good

If that makes sense

Actually, let me correct that. Your end of month CR determines where you start at in month 2. So if you're 1850+ in month 1, you'll start at ultimate in month 2, but there's no reward

Honestly, most players don't really bother with month 2

Especially if the meta sucks

Btw, I need a quick match. You or @sick oasis

Or @mystic tartan

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this is some bullshit

i stg this only happens to me lol

if u want a quick match u can TP 2 me

@umbral seal u comin ? im leaving park if not

[umbral seal]

My fault

Almost thought you were just passing turns

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my hand not good lol

didnt have any of my2 drops even tho i run like 6

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Definitely should've SEVO'd Vorlalai there imo

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i was thinking about it but having no sevo this early is crazy

itd be rip either way

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lol Probably

gg, although I gotta say

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i want like

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Zwei -> Zwei -> Cami is kinda dumb

lol

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discard this card deal X damage or destroy a follower

that would be lit

also yea zwei evo is oddly really annoying to deal with lol

i used to just be liek go aragavy for that shit or something

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However, people would mald if this card came back

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this is how things usually go if i dont get fucked lol

trying this rn

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5 milteo ina row

everyone is playing this garbage now

feel like xtal rune is easily milteos worst MU since they out aggro u

mf just quit lol

lol

[mystic tartan]

milteoge

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i literally just die lmao

abyss needs better removal

like how is every game not just a coin flip on this deck

[umbral seal]

You just didn't draw deathslash, one of the best removals in the game

That's life

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thats the thing

3/40 lol

we need better shit

i almost otked him too but was 2 PP short

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lol get fucked that Loyal dud

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hes so broken

[mystic tartan]

well he is the only ward follower on enhance

deck

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lowkey makes me wanna play evo even tho it sucks

but at least its consistent lol

leaving it up to chance dont think i can die this turn lol

this cunt gonna have bea or 2 alberts i bet lol

no way lmao

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guess i have to scoop lol

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Feels like I have a 0% winrate against crystal rune

@mystic tartan Assistance pls

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amulet is buns part 2 the bunining

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When I tested the amulet deck, the issue I found was that there's not enough ways to pop the crystallized amulets

Because you can't engage them

[blissful olive]

yeah i noticed that

if u could it would be much stronger

cause that would be a lot more healing + wards on the board constantly

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anyone got a list for portal deck with camiscilla?

i got 3 of her

might as well build the rest

i doint wanna one trick evo forest to gm

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ryu put out a evo puppet deck with a tutorial

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJgBh3AUyVI

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link me then

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pretty poggers deck

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ty

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the twitter post has the same images from the video if you wanna just look at them but he also pilots the deck vs forest and sword on the video as an example https://x.com/darkness_mare/status/2029107659748852135

LVH｜Ryu (@darkness_mare)

BEYONDに到達した進化ネメシスの解説動画を投稿しました！

5弾ではメタ側だったしよく知らない人も多そうなので基礎まとめ
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X · Mar 4, 2026, 8:12 AM

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only missing 2 imaris

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i still need 3 yogs

i was tricked into making shitty milteo instead

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this deck doesnt run it

i dont have any yogs either

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fuck u mean

u not playing eggs

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yog is slow

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huh thought him and cami were godliek togehther

[fading echo]

too shit to use and focused more on accelerate decks this is more puppet evo hybrid

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can i see ur list that doesnt use yog

i have everything else but yogs

[fading echo]

they're not on that deck

like using yogs you either accelerate the 5pp turn 4 and coin yog out

or run shoddys

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both are defensive and slow versus decks like sword and forest that just flood the board and go full face late game

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havent played a single game yet tho so i cant tell u if its any good

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orchis huh

hmm

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with that deck you're playing to win from turn 6 to turn 8

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id use lyria tho

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i also need to read what imari does

[fading echo]

before their bullshit comes out

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she searches cami

[fading echo]

you can search when you make imari boards or with gran

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i mean if u dont run orchis

its 100% of the time to just drop cami

[fading echo]

she's too good to not run

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idk

i dont see anyone else using it

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do u keep imari in mulligan

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no

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ok

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you mulligan for these

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[umbral seal]

Yog isn't slow. The problem with yog is that he's best when you have shoddy plaything in your deck to activate him early.

I play a yog list. It's good.

[fading echo]

this is the play order to get 6 evos the fastest

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Also, yog + substandard puppet can blow people out as early as turn 4

[fading echo]

too many forests with too many mirokus to go for a bunch of 1pp followers for me

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what do u think of non yog lists kunc

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Obviously they work if they're hitting beyond. I think it's boring, though

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i mean

what would u rep yog with

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He built that list specifically to not run yog

I'd rebuild it entirely

[blissful olive]

im guessing orchis replaces it

but thats not evo is it then

[fading echo]

don't need yog + something turn 7 if you're gonna kill them turn 8

[fading echo]

pure evo should run yog that one is puppet evo hybrid

plays aggro like puppets with evo stuff on the side

pure evo is too slow for me you just get blown the fuck out by cupi sandal bursts

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cupi?

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Cupitan

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oh the elf bitch

[fading echo]

yeah

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yeah shes aragavy for elfs

actually insane

better even

[fading echo]

i naturally favor more aggressive playstyles tho so i'm just saying based on preference for me it feels better to kill people fast than go for gimmicks when they have a bunch of face damage to finish you from above half hp

the tsubadas + the puppets from lancer are great for trading while keeping your board alive to hit face

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whats the worst MU

guessing forest

[fading echo]

i only played 5 games with it so far i'm 4-1 only lost to sword

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did u make that or find a list

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o copied his list it was pretty close to what i was making but he had stubadas and i didn't

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HCjWSSHakAA8eSj.jpg:large

that's the MU w/l chart he posted

in jp the classes have other names except dragon but they're color coded

this is what i was trying to make work before i saw his twitter post he cut slow stuff like cats and lyrias

the list he made is way more aggro

[blissful olive]

world makes sense

having no draw is rough

[fading echo]

yean and now no one is playing eggs or oguris so world is pretty safe

but still slow ish

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@mystic tartan You know this fella?

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amulet is buns part 258295235

what is this

i dont even see this

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Imari alt art

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oh i see from the vid it looked so weird

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damn 70% of my matches are vs sword

i see nothing changed then when i wasnt playing

sword still most popular by far

[umbral seal]

Sword has also been tier 1 since launch

Enhance Sword also has a great matchup into forest

[fading echo]

enhance looks like old midrange sword from set 2 o 3 i think

that version of sword was fun to play

[cursive crypt]

i think i liked evo sword the most

from the skybound dragons set

sword always top 2 class every set

idk how swoord fared last set tho

i didnt play at all

[fading echo]

it was still good

last set portal was the most played sword was the second most played

[cursive crypt]

so sword reawlly is top 2 class every set xd

[umbral seal]

Pet class.

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Double yid activation seems to happen a little too consistently

[sick oasis]

this might be a doodoo conspiracy theory of mine but i feel like they amped the show up rate of sandy

my two sandy showed up more often in draw/redraw than my three suthanids/althinea

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he always there when u dont want him

so far i never got him on muligan tho

sheeshers

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fuck this card

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Some lists don't even run her

You already know what time it is

[sick oasis]

what's the common cami deck rn

i'm gonna make these people taste their own medicine

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Started the day at 1750. Ending the night at 1761. Ended up falling way too far earlier.

CR is way too volatile.

[mystic tartan]

Lol that deck is weird

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I even started seeing Crystal Runes running Odin

[mystic tartan]

Yes

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Clearly an aggro deck that has a lot of healing

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Just checking.

[sick oasis]

thanks

i might change gran or gil later but we'll see

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Don't.

I was skeptical at the start of this set, but this is absolutely an aggro meta

You need 2 gils in any deck that's not aggro, imo.

The only thing I'd replace Gran & Djeeta with is Eudie, but G&D is better at drawing cards

All the sword pickers basically forced me to run 3 chaos legions. I can't keep up with their boards otherwise

[mystic tartan]

man Crystal is strong against Forest lul

[umbral seal]

Getting there.

Gonna make oatmeal and make the final push.

[blissful olive]

she barely fits into the frame lol

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trying to run her see how it feels

i always liked this card tbh but hard to fit it

stonks?

[sick oasis]

this golden knight is so annoying

like why give it SE instead of just a normal evo

[mystic tartan]

for me

[sick oasis]

i'm 3/4 again and still the same suspect - albert

well it's albert + golden knight

[mystic tartan]

[sick oasis]

not even 100 pulls smh

[mystic tartan]

wtf

i never got that

grrr

[sick oasis]

wajaja

mr dine

show the ultimate enhance sword deck

[mystic tartan]

Xdd

Just follow my goat

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Alberto

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purposely not playing shit

so he cant drain lol

nanny actually doing quite well lol

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sloth being 4 burn damage gg lmao

3/1 i'll take it

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3 forest ina row today is a bad day to play dragon ig

[mystic tartan]

lol u want sword huh

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i have it made dont like playing it tho ngl

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The sword match-up is extremely dragon favored

[mystic tartan]

yeah its awful they just go face

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Evo forest is winnable but it's not exactly favorable

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yeah if u get fan its like ez for sword

but forest for dragon

literally unplayable

this is the best card in the entire set

[mystic tartan]

i got cucked by althania+alfheim

[umbral seal]

The dragon player basically has to win before Althenia

[mystic tartan]

cant albert

[blissful olive]

its insanely hard to do that

because every turn they popping 2-3 wards

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Like in this photo for example, if you had ramped that game, they're dead to Erntz evo

Assuming your list still runs it

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i dont

not in discard

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Prolly should, imo. I like fate of the world for similar reasons. And fate is a one card answer to althenia

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Rather than that discard shit you like

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i dont think so it doesnt fit into an aggro deck

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You'd rather have neptune over erntz or fate? lol ok

[blissful olive]

have this as well but havent played it much

and yes neptune can clear stuff or block for u

[umbral seal]

Little Dragon Nanny was good several sets ago but not really worth it. She mostly helps in a match up you already stomp (sword)

[blissful olive]

ur not making it to turn 10 is the point

shes decent tbh

makes drain un interactable

and can run away with games very easily

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This list also complexes me because you're running Zooey when it would just make more sense to fit in liu feng, as it can be played on 3 or combo'd on 6

[blissful olive]

zooey can stall if u need to thats the only reason

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At one copy in a deck with virtually no draw and only 3 other sources of ramp, I cannot imagine that ever being relevant

[blissful olive]

i could take it out of rsome more aggro i guess

if anything i need removal

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Like your argument would make sense if you were running liu fengs as well, and 2x copies of Zooey. But I wouldn't do that in your list

[blissful olive]

flames might lowkey be good

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I just think zooey doesn't fit in discard at all

[blissful olive]

nah i wouldnt run feng in aggro

lowkey this might be the answer to forest

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Ramping is a very strong mechanic even in an aggro deck. Especially in discard as you ideally want to have 8 or 9 pp when you play sagatsu, rather than 7

[blissful olive]

yep

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Running dragonsign only is unreliable. I know that because that's what I did when I spammed dragon in heirs.

[blissful olive]

but also turn 3 liu isnt good either

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People run dragonsign & liu feng, even in discard, for a reason

[blissful olive]

like turn 3/4 u wanna evo ur otohime and blast them for 4/5

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If you're opting to not run liu feng, you may as well cut dragonsign as that card is always a tempo loss. Liu Feng, on curve, is not

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im debating it yeah

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Not saying I agree with this line of argumentation but that's basically what you're suggesting

[blissful olive]

cause fitting flame could be very helpful

[umbral seal]

Which I think is bad deckbuilding

But you do you

[blissful olive]

rather than just auto losing to forest

[umbral seal]

Discard doesn't auto lose to evo forest. It's slightly unfavorable.

[blissful olive]

slightly is crazy

[umbral seal]

The little bit of discard I played while playing in master, the match-up felt even

[blissful olive]

this thing has better wards than ward haven

[umbral seal]

But apparently, you think I'm lying when I say that

That being said, it's very clear that we both deckbuild & play the game differently

[blissful olive]

u are kinda bullshitting yea

[umbral seal]

If you want, we can play the match-up as many times as you want right now

Either side is fine.

[blissful olive]

like u have to get vry lucky to not get flooded by walls of wards every turn as dragon vs forest

idc what rank u are this happens constantly

[umbral seal]

No, it doesn't. I know it doesn't happen constantly because I play significantly more games than you

[blissful olive]

yes it does

[umbral seal]

Like this set alone I already have hundreds of matches played

Most against evo forest.

[blissful olive]

they have access to so many of these things early

[umbral seal]

this happens constantly

Again, you do not have nearly enough playtime to be saying this, when I'm telling you it does not.

[blissful olive]

like if it wasnt for yube playing vs forest would be insanely more cancer

cause then a tleast ur can 1 for 1 marines

[mystic tartan]

alright Milteo is just tier 1

wtf

because of that 1 lego

[blissful olive]

ur playing sword

[umbral seal]

I agree.

[mystic tartan]

fuck that draw

1pp

[blissful olive]

dont hate the cat

[mystic tartan]

if not for that they will bricked hard

[blissful olive]

abyss needs it

[mystic tartan]

nah fuck off

[umbral seal]

I hate bibatii because it's generic, boring and doesn't fit the theme of abyss at all

I do not care about strength here

[mystic tartan]

yeah

[blissful olive]

if it fit the theme of abyss then it would suck like the rest of abyss

[umbral seal]

It's contributing to the whole game feeling like free evo slop right now

[blissful olive]

well it kinda is no

[umbral seal]

Evo Forest is obviously the biggest offender

[blissful olive]

like this set brought back a handful of evo decks

[umbral seal]

What's more annoying is that accelerate & crystallize are only in portal & haven exclusively. I want to see the mechanic spread around

Mostly accelerate, though

[blissful olive]

lowkey i wish mid range abyss was a thing rn

like running milteo just as himself ina mid range deck is strong

reanimate 4/2 can blow the field

[umbral seal]

It is a thing. It's just not very strong compared to a pure milteo deck.

[blissful olive]

yeah mid range just has no place rn and its not that good u might as well play evo

hopefully next set abyss pops off

[mystic tartan]

playing against milteo is just not fun

[blissful olive]

u would have a worse time vs dragon lowkey

if ur on sword

sometimes vs milteo u can win by dumping loyal guard on the table

[mystic tartan]

i dont care about dragon

its not a slow burn

meanwhile milteo they torture u

[blissful olive]

lowkey that would make abyss way better if we got more removal

im debating putting screaming back in just cause of loyal guard ngl

[mystic tartan]

SHUT THE FUCK UP

[blissful olive]

when i play milteo tho ive been using rank 1 list

sir please

we need it

[mystic tartan]

nah

[blissful olive]

reapers deathlash 2.0

[mystic tartan]

fuck off

[blissful olive]

we need target cya removal

give me that spell forest has

[umbral seal]

Forwarding for emphasis

[mystic tartan]

[umbral seal]

Aight, I'm doing the tournament now

Obviously picked evo forest

[blissful olive]

My run went pre well

2 evo portal 1 forest 1 abyss

I lost to abyss i think

[umbral seal]

Mirror

[blissful olive]

Expected lol

[umbral seal]

Lost to Kruelle SEVO

Classic

[umbral seal]

Damn, I really only lost to the mirror

[mystic tartan]

3-1 ?

[umbral seal]

Yup.

[mystic tartan]

same

i lost to mirror enhance too

[umbral seal]

Enhance sword actually died on turn 7

I kruelle SEVO'd, kept it in stealth, Sandy next turn

Well, Frieren sevo + sandy

[mystic tartan]

[umbral seal]

Like, that match-up isn't that favored for sword. The sword player can actually just die before albert is relevant

The sword player also needs conquest online asap. The matches where I struggled to pressure them were always because of that card.

[mystic tartan]

yeah that card is broken for enhance

i lost cus of that too

he got double

[fading echo]

[umbral seal]

@fading echo You were right about beel being too slow. Noticed other evo portals dropping him for orchis.

[fading echo]

yeah i like the card because it gives you better lethal but 9pp on most games you're about to die if you don't win

[umbral seal]

Orchis has just been helping me close out games faster. Which is important against Sword.

I can't beat them after double yid

Like, not even talking about albert. The value they get from double yid enhance is too much for anyone except destruction portal to deal with.

Evo/mode abyss can probably deal with double yid

That's about it I think

[fading echo]

going second helps because you get to skip turn 4 and turn 6

[blissful olive]

going 2nd is 2 broken

+1 PP and u evo first

the fuck

[umbral seal]

I honestly prefer going first as evo portal. Especially against forest

[fading echo]

i changed my destro to be a lot more board wipe

1 oguri just for emergency clear instead of pushing face

just gotta be careful with overdraws if you're playing too defensive

but i'm not playing this i'm playing evo

[blissful olive]

dont storm me daddy i cant take anymore

2-Q0U54235TIEWFJ AF

[fading echo]

i'm on a 9 win streak with portal if you count the 4 tourney wins

one of those was playing artifacts

[blissful olive]

artifacts can be annoying

[fading echo]

i don't know if i got lucky but it was pretty decent versus rune

probably would get slaughtered by sword tho

[umbral seal]

They can get double yid activation before you play gundam, so unless you kill them before that point, it's doomed

The only thing that can clear double yid boards is orchis.

Well, no. Destruction portal shenanigans, obviously

But you could slot Orchis in your artifact deck.

Honestly, Cami doesn't even make sense in that artifact list because the point of cami is to combo with sandy. A 4 pp cami doesn't combo with anything in there.

The unfeeling eld axes are also pointless because the main purpose is to charge evos

It's not a good card even in a dedicated evo portal list, which is why I don't run it

Better to ditch that for different two drops, because you only have 3x copies of 2 drops you want to play on curve. You don't always want to play imari on curve (even if you're discarding an artifact gear) and you really don't want to play yog unless you can activate his fanfare.

[blissful olive]

lowkey nobody in artifact can even run gundamn now

its way 2 slow it never happens

[umbral seal]

Yeah, it's generally better to just go for beta spam but the gundam can situationally be relevant.

Even beta spam is too slow and honestly, it's hard to do that when you might need gamma or alpha to stay alive.

Also

The fact that I swipe and this is still the one card I did not find

Dumbass cat.

[blissful olive]

the cat did nothing wrong

[umbral seal]

That cat gives aggro more draw power and clear than they need. Makes it harder to race them.

[blissful olive]

gg

this bitch is so broken lol

[umbral seal]

Having no ramp is what's actually gg there, you can clear the granny

[blissful olive]

sure

but this bitch is way 2 good for a common

[umbral seal]

I agree that she's probably the strongest bronze in the game right now

Can't think of a better bronze

[blissful olive]

this whore too

literally better aragavy for forest

[umbral seal]

Well, no because Cupitan's aoe is conditional, aragavy's isnt.

[blissful olive]

how do u figure conditional

[umbral seal]

It doesn't feel conditional currently because forest has a ton of free evos now

[umbral seal]

There have been occasions where the forest player has to manually evolve it for clear

Aragavy's clear is not conditional

[sick oasis]

you should remove that neptune

[blissful olive]

yeah but forest is gonna have the skybound shit

[umbral seal]

But again, the situations where forest has to manually evolve cupitan are rare

[umbral seal]

I already told him that

He doesn't listen

[sick oasis]

i make it a habit to force dragon players to play neptune so they don't get to play galmieux or fate

[blissful olive]

the neptune is fine

[sick oasis]

then next turn you get cuck blocked by althenia

[blissful olive]

i mean dragon cant stop that anyways

the only way they clear that is beheading or burnite

[sick oasis]

you can if you get 10pp on turn 7 or 9pp at turn 6 as 2nd turn

[blissful olive]

what are u gonna do with that 10 pp tho

u arnt clearing 3 3/3s and a 10/10

[sick oasis]

don't you use erntz on your deck?

you should put at least 2

[blissful olive]

that still doesnt clear

thats 2 at best then u die to elf

[sick oasis]

you don't need to clear tho

if we're talking about a MU against evo forest

[blissful olive]

if they are above 9 life yes you do

lol

[sick oasis]

i'm only referring here against evo forest

of course it's different against other deck

[blissful olive]

no this is evo forest

[sick oasis]

actually nvm

i regret that i even replied

[umbral seal]

Also told him this already

[blissful olive]

why cant u admit ur wrong lol

[sick oasis]

why can't YOU

[blissful olive]

erntz doesnt clear that board in any universe

[umbral seal]

Funny how Sora is new and understands the game better

[blissful olive]

and u cant kill if they have more than 9 life

why are u arguing against that its literal math lol

[umbral seal]

You don't find it odd that your takes rarely, if ever, are agreed with? By more than just me

[blissful olive]

no ur wrong

[umbral seal]

You'd think at some point, you'd have self awareness

[blissful olive]

i am 100% right here dont be stupid

[umbral seal]

You're not, though

[blissful olive]

4 creatures on the board normal erntz kills 2 at best u die to elf after

evo can deal 9 damage

whats the problem

simple math

[umbral seal]

The point of Erntz being in the deck is to finish off opponents hiding behind wards. If you need to play her to clear, it's already gg

[blissful olive]

yes thats the point

[umbral seal]

Which is why more than one person told you to put it in the deck

[blissful olive]

thats what i said

why i said if they have more than 9 life u cant do anything with her there

why was that hard to understand lol

how tf is that a bad take its literally math thats on the card

[umbral seal]

Unless you bricked or the opponent had a god hand, they should be very close to dead anyway. Erntz is insurance.

[blissful olive]

thank you for agreeing to simple math god damn lol

[umbral seal]

You're arguing a point Sora nor I were contesting

[blissful olive]

not to mention they have potential 8 ways of healing in that deck

so they can very well be out of her threshold

[umbral seal]

Outside of Sandy's invoke, forest has no non-drain sources of healing. Their healing is actually very limited.

A traditional ramp deck has stronger healing

[blissful olive]

yeah but they can do it its honestly good to try for

if ur playing against a burst heavy deck

or like playing out of sandy or something range

[sick oasis]

i think the problem with the arguments most of the time you present is stating a specific circumstance that has little relevance to the main topic

i'm stating a generic advantage of having erntz instead of neptune and you state a scenario where what if they have 9 hp

[blissful olive]

we were talking about dealing with turn 8 and i said erntz cant clear which she cant and on evo she also cant kill if they have more then 9

none of these are false

[sick oasis]

and i never argued against that???

[blissful olive]

you kinda did

cause i didnt say anything else

[umbral seal]

https://x.com/cqcq_sv/status/2029791954155036724 @sick oasis

CQCQ (@cqcq_sv)

今期色々なデッキを使って5クラスでBEYONDだけどこの魔手ウィッチが断トツで強いと思う！！

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X · Mar 6, 2026, 5:31 AM

Like i said a few days ago, this man doesn't play weak decks

It's not an accident that I got stomped by his crystal rune

[blissful olive]

is he rank 1 on rune now

[umbral seal]

Don't know but he thinks it's the best deck and I'm inclined to agree.

[blissful olive]

this is rank 1 abyss apparently as well

[sick oasis]

oh lmao we're using the same deck with only exception to G&D i use gil instead

guess it makes more sense for the draw followers

[blissful olive]

i feel like the trick to beating xtal rune is not playing creatures so they cant drain off you

[umbral seal]

Gil is pointless. Shymm has drain.

[blissful olive]

did that earlier was really funny

[umbral seal]

Wrong, because they'll just kill you instead.

[blissful olive]

i mean

[umbral seal]

You have to create large boards

[blissful olive]

not when ur dragon or abyss

[umbral seal]

So they're not hitting your face

[blissful olive]

i dun told u nanny has stonks

✊

[umbral seal]

Nanny is not a bad card but rune has answers to intimidate followers.

Forte is enough.

[blissful olive]

intimidate unironically fucks xtal

[umbral seal]

We can play that match up right now if you want

[blissful olive]

the only thing ug otta worry about is them being able to drain off you

[umbral seal]

Best of 3

[blissful olive]

no point lol

[sick oasis]

yeah after getting used to the deck i realized it in my later plays

[blissful olive]

like i already proven my point multiple times today with her

[sick oasis]

i fought a mirror xtal rune one time and he put one kuon

he got lucky with it

[umbral seal]

I've seen some run Odin

Crystal decks are still all over the place right now

[blissful olive]

yeah this game i just didnt do fuckign anything and they die lol

[umbral seal]

Grimnir? lol

That's not a serious player

[blissful olive]

it is what it is point is they dropped the drain slut and couldnt make any use of it both times

not this guy the one i killed with nanny

[umbral seal]

My point is that just based off the screenshot, the person is playing a bad list and by extension, is probably a bad player

Crystal should never run Grimnir

[blissful olive]

they have enough trading power and everything they have has rush so yeah

but i get why they would try this meta is kinda aggro centric

[umbral seal]

Crystal Rune would only struggle against abyss after milteo activation. They can clear and heal before that point.

Technically can still heal if the abyss player leaves units otb

[blissful olive]

a lot of people been saying about abyss

u drop a 1/1 then the goblin as 2/2 and its super good but they die and their entire early game is over

like i hit sloth on turn 2 and win on the spot sometimes

[umbral seal]

Even if the abyss player gets zero chip damage before milteo, they can still kill you. That's why it's tier 1

[blissful olive]

i even had a guy running fucking yuna lol

[umbral seal]

Yuna is always the cause of massive overdraws, especially when milteo reanimates her

That's why good lists cut her

[blissful olive]

that deck also has absurd draw already

more often then not u cant even use ur draw spell cause u will over cap

[umbral seal]

Better to have it and not need it than not have it at all

[blissful olive]

yeah the game is very coin flippy

like theres times u will get nothing and be out of gas by turn 3-4 and u just cant win other times ur blasting

[umbral seal]

Cooked up an evo abyss list that works decently well.

[mystic tartan]

evo abyss has so many healing kek

[blissful olive]

only thing it lacks is a proper finisher

[umbral seal]

Aight, let's try this again

Only 3-4 more wins for beyond

[mystic tartan]

man this cat is really carrying milteo abyss

[umbral seal]

Ghost dodger and reverent demon are also very strong bronze cards

Not stronger than the granny, though

[umbral seal]

One more?

YES

@fading echo

[fading echo]

congrats

[umbral seal]

That being said, this shit is the definition of a tier 2 deck

[umbral seal]

Thanks 😊

[mystic tartan]

milteo makes me hate abyss ngl

[umbral seal]

You should hate abyss anyway because Nevia downplays the fuck out of it every set

[mystic tartan]

i dare say abyss is the strongest right now

for tier 1

its good against everything

well milteo abyss

[umbral seal]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Shadowverse/comments/1rnq1nk/beyond_gm_w_evo_portal_extensive_guide/

Long ass post, fair warning

[mystic tartan]

Nice la

[umbral seal]

@mystic tartan You're in charge of carrying the guild to S++ now. I'm tired.

[mystic tartan]

well i will go for gm3

both first and 2nd half

[red plover]

shadowverse has been dead to me ever since slay the spire 2 released, so Im not much of a help anymore

[umbral seal]

I might have to check it out myself, I've been hearing great things.

[red plover]

well sts1 was pretty much known as the roguelike deck builder, so if you liked that one and then you will love sts2

[umbral seal]

Didn't play the first one.

[blissful olive]

whoever invented DST needs to be shot

[blissful olive]

nice try sister lol

[blissful olive]

damn i prob lose right here lol

[mystic tartan]

deserved

[blissful olive]

i never seen to have reaper when i need it

paid shuffler strikes again

its ok i bullied a poor rune main

[blissful olive]

well glad i got GM at least lowkey i just wanted the 3 packs from it lol

[blissful olive]

lowkey really wanna try n fit aragavy into milteo he would do wonders vs almost every MU

satan in the big 2026?

[mystic tartan]

why milteo abyss emoting on enhance sword

bruh

i swear these abyss players

fucking retarded

[blissful olive]

tell me how u really feel

[mystic tartan]

i feel fucking awful cus u can do nothing

[blissful olive]

when milteo high rolls its kinda insane lol

them and dragon are crazy if u get the drops u need early

mf really said fuck this LOL

[umbral seal]

Just gonna park here for a bit

[blissful olive]

need you in top 8

[umbral seal]

Nah, I'ma play other fun shit besides portal

[blissful olive]

LEMAO

fucking idiottt

[umbral seal]

@sick oasis Crystal Rune with Odin OTK alt win con

Pretty easy to filter the runecraft followers in your deck (there's only 8)

[blissful olive]

i have seen that once yeah just a twitter clip

last resort type shit

how has that done for you vs forest btw?

do u have to win before 8 as well or close to it

[umbral seal]

Loses to Kruelle SEVO

[blissful olive]

oh i guess it does yeah

only reason abyss doesnt is cause the evo happens before the minus

[blissful olive]

winning with billy in the big 2026

actually insane lol

[umbral seal]

[blissful olive]

i raised that boy

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-the-office-sad-face-broken-heart-gif-17974804086126007967

[umbral seal]

You ain't raise shit.

Last two games were against enhance & milteo

Both conceded after Orchis, funnily enough

She's putting in work one last time

[blissful olive]

o ye shes gone 2

i dont see myself ever playing unlimited unless there exclusive rewards

JP changing it up

sword not T1 no more but rune moved up

[umbral seal]

It's almost like both CQCQ and I have been saying Crystal Rune is tier 1 for several days now

But according to you, it's "nothing crazy"

🤡

[blissful olive]

it hasnt been

at least against what i play

dragon and abyss i feel dont have a big problem with it

[umbral seal]

You don't play against good pilots, no shit.

[blissful olive]

if im playing abyss ive started trying to starve them too if i can by not putting anything on the board so they cant drain

[umbral seal]

Dragon is good into it because before they get Calga's spell, they only have drain as a source of healing.

But most of the ladder is not dragon - it's decks that Crystal Rune will have targets to drain from

And as you said, abyss playing around their healing is very dependent on your hand. It's not as reliable as dragon.

[blissful olive]

yeah i can get away with it sometimes on abyss cause ghosts but usually its not a problem

i need 2 shymms to finish xtal rune so i might run it but im not crafting stuff anymore

its up to luck now

[umbral seal]

I don't agree with Enhance Sword being knocked down, though. Most decks can't kill them before they snowball out of control with value.

[blissful olive]

yeah if i have a slow start on abyss i usually cant win

oh btw

u said u get more packs and stuff for going GM 1-3?

[umbral seal]

You get slightly more rewards, but if you're expecting a lot, don't bother lol.

[blissful olive]

i mean do u get packs?

like GM 0 gives u 3

[umbral seal]

I think so, I don't remember

[blissful olive]

ye if so i think its worth at least for me

[umbral seal]

I wouldn't bother with GM3 unless you want the animated sleeves.

[blissful olive]

we also have that battle fest thing too in a week or so right

i might we'll see how it goes

[umbral seal]

Uhh... I do not think battlefest is in a week, but I'm not certain.

[mystic tartan]

honestly Loot is weaker than Enhance just cus the fact if u dont get Octrice turn 3-5 its basically joever

[umbral seal]

Enhance also has good healing via Noel & Golden Knight. Noel is more problematic because loot can only nuke the board a certain amount of times

If the opponent isn't dead after those nukes, it's gg

[sick oasis]

oh yeah i've used that one before

but i'm having more fun with my current deck rn

i've already gambled too much

@mystic tartan albert up

[mystic tartan]

wait

5 min

[mystic tartan]

go lounge

[sick oasis]

wait lemme finish this one

[mystic tartan]

https://cdn.betterttv.net/emote/6944f31aea513e258087f90b/3x.webp

[sick oasis]

6 7

[mystic tartan]

[sick oasis]

guess it's time to run your hated deck

[mystic tartan]

[sick oasis]

i would've expected that at higher rank the matches would be faster

holy crap these people are so petty

they know they already lost and they will giga stall waiting each of their turn to clock out

[mystic tartan]

i did that to abyss

atleast they stuck with me

after emoting

i hate that cat

[sick oasis]

yeah i'd do that too if they emoted me that's understandable

[mystic tartan]

lol this guy emote i waste my time on him

and hes playing fucking dragon double forte

[sick oasis]

lmao

i might buy the bp

the more i see sagatsumatsu the more i see her so hot

[mystic tartan]

[blissful olive]

[umbral seal]

My time is too valuable to be wasting more time simply because of BM.

I either just emote back or concede in a doomed game.

[mystic tartan]

lol usually im like that

but if its against dragon or miteo abyss then

if they emote

i dont care

[blissful olive]

i always emote on cerby she has best emotes

[blissful olive]

mf what taking u so long

bro thinking for like an hour just to die anyways

[umbral seal]

Clowns.

[umbral seal]

Says the aggro player.

Yes, turns take time when you're being aggressed on. Also, the turn timer in this game is a lot lower than SV1. Pointless bitching.

[blissful olive]

i mean it was a troll deck to begin with

[umbral seal]

Sure, and with a lower tier deck, turns take even more time if you're being aggressed on.

The guy playing a meme deck does not contradict my point.

[mystic tartan]

lol so many crystal rune

[blissful olive]

i wonder how many ppl actually check game with for lists and shit

like did people see its considered top 1 and just go well JP said so ! lol

[umbral seal]

Crystal Rune was already extremely popular before Gamewith said it's tier 1

Tier lists don't determine popularity. Actual deck performance does.

Crystal Rune only took slightly longer (about 48 hrs after patch) to take off, compared to Evo Forest & Enhance Sword. I know this because I played non-stop since the patch.

Tournament performance will highly depend on how many evo forests there are.

[blissful olive]

im more curious about how serious people actually take GW on shit

[umbral seal]

A tier list is simply an opinion. I don't know if the people who run the site consistently hit ultimate or above, but I doubt that would matter to you.

[mystic tartan]

all i have to know is not a single haven deck on tier 1

[umbral seal]

I wouldn't rate any haven deck at tier 2 either

This is probably the worst haven has been

[mystic tartan]

well i tried Crest its playable

if u have cards

[umbral seal]

Like literally, for the entire first week, to be in the top 100 for Haven, you only had to be above 1700

Even Portal was not that bad

[blissful olive]

unironically the best haven doesnt use any of the new cards lol

[mystic tartan]

that boss lego is bad with 9pp cost

[blissful olive]

haven can do decent amount of healing and shit but u never really feel threatened by them

[umbral seal]

It's honestly pretty easy to finish your quest before 9 pp, so it probably needs a discount

Kandima also shouldn't be SEVO

[mystic tartan]

oh yeah Kandima

[umbral seal]

It'd make it so amulet decks don't need to run Salefa

[mystic tartan]

i expect more ngl

yeah for a sevo its not that good

[umbral seal]

Well, I wouldn't use this line of argumentation. Because that's the same logic @fading echo used when he tried to say Imari was bad before release. "sevo to draw 2 cards?!"

The problem is that the effect is stabilization

And haven needs to stabilize much earlier than their SEVO turn

When the playstyle of the deck is giving up tempo for the first 3-4 turns

[blissful olive]

lowkey im fine with imari

i want that spell nerfed instead

[umbral seal]

Portal took the 2nd longest to fill up their top 100, if Sincerity didn't get nerfed last set, it's not getting nerfed now

Destruction basically disappeared from the meta and evo portal is a fringe deck.

[fading echo]

yeah i didn't know they would give good 1pp spells

the spells we had at the time were basically worthless

[umbral seal]

For evo portal in particular, sincerity is their only source of hard removal

[fading echo]

4pp 3pp 2pp

nothing that would build a board with her effect

[umbral seal]

Sure, and the argument I was giving at the time was to wait for the rest of the set to check for synergies. Evaluating cards without everything accounted for is why people underrated crest haven & odd haven (not tier 1, but better than people expected).

[fading echo]

it was for sure beyond expectations

the spells before imari

not only did they give 3 1pp spells but they're all good and not artifact exclusive

[blissful olive]

[umbral seal]

I don't think Test of Worth is good. Like, it saw play but barely in puppets and rarely in Destruction.

It's too rng.

[fading echo]

i like it

if you use it early and burn a 0pp puppet you will always get extra value

it will give back either 2pps or puppets

it makes good fodder for the spell itself and imari

[umbral seal]

I understand the situations where it can be decent but when I'm trying to min-max any portal deck, Test of Worth is very easy to exclude

[fading echo]

it's the worst out of the 3

but if you were playing imari based before portal fell off a cliff in variety this set it was good to run 1 or 2 of

just to push aggro

[blissful olive]

hmmmmmm

im tempted 2 make xtal rune rn i can craft 2 shymms

[fading echo]

i've gotten zweis and victorias out of that thing

with vics you could do some crazy 10pp +1 orchis turns

she gets storm from orchis

it's not a goal but just random shit that the spell can provide i did it once

[blissful olive]

@umbral seal is the general point of xtal rune to just rush down while u can and finish with the 10 drop forget its name but thats the normal gameplan i assume?

[umbral seal]

Wrong. Your goal should be controlling the board first, evolving Shymm, and then ending the game with Calga

This also means you shouldn't be recklessly using evos to push damage to spawns

You can spare one evo early game if necessary. Your 1st super evo should always be shymm.

Your last 2 evos should be on calga or a storm spawn if the 6 pp spell gets you close to lethal

[blissful olive]

what are their answers to things like elf turn 8 or any a large body board in general

since the xtal's are 2/1s at best

there is rune portal i guess but i havent seen any1 running it really

[umbral seal]

CQCQ's list runs rune portal

Playing the deck properly is also understanding when not to use wind blast

Some lists also run the 3 pp dirt spell, forgetting the name

[blissful olive]

it would depend on what im playing against like prob save it vs dragon if i can help it

hmm

flames of chaos?

oh nvm thats not dirt

i mean sage light? but idk

u would need dirt generator or i feel its 2 slow cause ud only get use out of ur 2nd one

[mystic tartan]

Bruh i did 15 damage

With my eld spell lmao

[umbral seal]

Lists that run sagelight run flare as well

It's honestly not hard to fit, my current list runs both

[blissful olive]

yeah cause wouldnt xtal run into the same issues as abyss does

where u get a fat body in front of u using loyal guard as an example slamming a 7/7 down turn 4 how would xtal rune reliably deal with that

without extra removal i mean why i asked

[umbral seal]

The deck has a lot of draw to get your removal, my list even runs 2 divine thunders

[blissful olive]

i have seen that yeah

[umbral seal]

If you're losing to loyal guard, I don't know what to tell you

[blissful olive]

im just using him as an example

like for abyss if u dont have reapers in hand hes a problem

why i also fit aragavy in he does wonders on that turn

yeah flare is really good

and it can burn

ive actually won a handful of games as dragon from sloth burn

[blissful olive]

@umbral seal

do u have cq's list?

i wish we could like right click on the rankings and check deck lists

[umbral seal]

https://x.com/cqcq_sv/status/2029791954155036724/photo/1

CQCQ (@cqcq_sv)

今期色々なデッキを使って5クラスでBEYONDだけどこの魔手ウィッチが断トツで強いと思う！！

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X · Mar 6, 2026, 5:31 AM

[blissful olive]

thanks

also wtf is the point of this thing btw?

[umbral seal]

No idea

[blissful olive]

like u hit it and only see 2 decks here

id be more inclined to make this if i had a good rune leader

[mystic tartan]

Wamdussy

[blissful olive]

lmaooo

i woulda bought issa but 20 bucks for her is crazy

cmon amulet

do something

https://tenor.com/view/do-something-comeon-stickman-bored-gif-22722853

[mystic tartan]

alright crystal rune is not balanced

[sick oasis]

it's balanced

[blissful olive]

u started playing it now?

[mystic tartan]

loot is pretty good against milteo

[umbral seal]

Think that match up is heavily dependent on who goes second

If loot already has the 12 dmg burst ready on their SEVO turn, I don't think milteo can come back from that unless they dominated the early game

[blissful olive]

if milteo goes 2nd they already in a strong position

sevo first makes all the diff on him

[mystic tartan]

not really

[blissful olive]

it kinda do especially in the mirror

[mystic tartan]

u just need octrice turn 3-5

with sinciro 12 damage

sevo first doesnt matter cus Milteo sevo is weak on loot doesnt really do shit

[umbral seal]

I agree with nevia for once. If milteo goes second, you do your burst after they activate milteo

If they are not dead that turn

[blissful olive]

getting the crest is what im talking about

[umbral seal]

You can be dead after

[blissful olive]

not what milteo does on board

[mystic tartan]

yeah but u have ur shit too

aka ward loot just hope they dont have deathslash

my goat did that

the milteo need to beat sinciro 8/10

[blissful olive]

well the only thing thats a problem in sword is really loyal guard if u can get around him the rest isnt an issue

[umbral seal]

Don't hope they have 1 outta 3 cards in a deck with strong draw power

[mystic tartan]

i really hate that people put aragavy

fuck him

[blissful olive]

i did too

[mystic tartan]

hes the reason i got so many lost

[blissful olive]

hes just 2 good

[umbral seal]

I don't think that match up is super favorable for loot but loot can beat anything with a decent draw

i.e. slightly above average

[mystic tartan]

Loot is very good yeah if u got ur cards

destroy evo forest too

unless they put gilne

of course

to heal

[umbral seal]

Rotates next set too

[blissful olive]

yerp

i wonder what gonna happen to sword if no albert replacement drops

[mystic tartan]

loot is ass against enhance sword and xtal rune tho

not enough board clear

u just hope sinciro and congregant are enough

[umbral seal]

Crystal Rune has a lot of healing. Especially the dirt variant.

[blissful olive]

lowkey if fellas can fitting band of princess in would do wonders

[mystic tartan]

yeah

[umbral seal]

Loot is just going to run outta damage

[blissful olive]

that card is hella good

[mystic tartan]

this set is really funny

Crystal rune also lose to milteo

i saw Atom

got demolished

from 20hp

omegalul

[blissful olive]

if milteo high rolls u are getting ur ass blasted really hard lol

[mystic tartan]

yeah

cus no ward

to protect ur ass

[blissful olive]

xtal rune cant keep up with that shit

[umbral seal]

Dead, unironically. Loot won't be dead but it won't be tier 1 anymore.

Winning through board is a meme

[blissful olive]

yeah

[umbral seal]

You need out of hand damage

[mystic tartan]

they will print another Albert

[blissful olive]

yes

[umbral seal]

It depends on how many ghost generators they draw. If milteo draws all of them, you're probably getting otk'd after milteo

But not every game goes that way

[mystic tartan]

yeah they also have that grave amulet

and 1 sevo

[blissful olive]

ye and early on u always evo ghosts to just go face

[mystic tartan]

so 3 ghost = 9
1+4 = 5
2 bull = 6

[umbral seal]

Shadowcrypt nerfs your otk potential unless you can sack the extra 1/1

[blissful olive]

yeah u can pop it early if u want to set up for the turn after etc

ive seen some use it to clear as well not ideal but its an option

next set lowkey i hope mid range is hella good

my fav kinda deck

milteo just on his own is a really strong card in of itself

[mystic tartan]

lol i hate bibatii and aragavy more

than milteo

[blissful olive]

u think the reason xtal has an issue with milteo more is cause ur removal spells become dead cards for the most part

[blissful olive]

@mystic tartan PTSD

bro just said fuck this

[mystic tartan]

bet hes playing enhance

kek