Yeah, I'll stick with my list until I start running into other portals more
#Shadowverse
blissful olive
i mean how can they lol
they would need targeted removal or something assuming its turn 7
blissful olive
idk who even can deal with this shit
forest can ig with the spell
but then u got the other 2 left
umbral seal
Forest is a very hard match up
I have a negative w/r vs them, currently
Very rare abyss player
blissful olive
this mf is thinking really hard
blissful olive
i am
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blissful olive
i need to fucking draw it tho smh
bros played 2 sandys already
mode might actually play decent into forest but u need armes to win which is a huge issue
this guy cant kill me but i cant do shit neither
its time lmao
i got this guy on like nothing he used all his resources
yaa i win
running it like this rn
umbral seal
mode might actually play decent into forest but u need armes to win which is a h...
In that case, you might need a 3rd copy
blissful olive
most dont run aragavy but hes actually so good rn
umbral seal
Sure, I'm just saying you have some very cuttable cards
blissful olive
aragavy im keeping he does more work then ud think
umbral seal
He has a good fanfare but I would opt for the new drop 5 instead
Like, I'd build mode to be an evo hybrid
blissful olive
the evo ?
blissful olive
this guy?
umbral seal
Yeah
blissful olive
maybe but rn im keeping it
blissful olive
i saw a lot running aggro shit to hit gm quickly
umbral seal
I did a mix of evo forest, discard dragon and then closed it out with crystal rune
Discard Dragon was going crazy but then I dropped to sapphire near the end
blissful olive
yeah discard aggro is pretty strong
if u get fan early its almost 100% a win with how huge u can make stuff
yube buff + sword etc
im running roar now too to deal with forest
umbral seal
Actually, I'ma take a break. Not enough players are similarly rated.
It's what, day 3?
blissful olive
yeah
im gonna play a bunch later tonight cause chest thing maybe
i just wanna get my 100 wins sometime this week
blissful olive
ima have to play another deck tho
mode is WAY 2 slow for that shit
ima try evo i guess ina few mins but i havent seen literally a single person play it so its prob ass
umbral seal
Popularity isn't always equivalent to deck strength. That being said, evo abyss is probably decent, but not t1
blissful olive
mode def feels weird tho
like idk how ur supposed to win without armes
at least in that forest game i couldnt hit them at all b4 turn 10 but i kept clearing and healing
they even dropped 2 sandys on me lol
mystic tartan
i think i change my mind
enhance sword is tier 1
im having too much wins with it vs evo forest
also against other shit is not bad just gotta need ur cards
farming them 
fading echo
this meta is fun portal finally has some free evos 
mystic tartan
these haven wards are starting to annoy me
bro thank god i havent meet them
enhance sword is fucked
against them
thank god people dont like playing ward haven
mystic tartan
fading echo
and the dog letting you cheat costs finally feels like the portalcraft is opening portals to tp followers in
mystic tartan
diamond is mostly evo forest
oh yeah evo portal is fucking retarded
if going 2nd
double cami back to back usually
fading echo
unfeeling axe my GOAT
umbral seal
farming them <:BebelaBusiness:980376810967687178>
Just wait until you start running into more evo portals
Very bad match up for the sword player
mystic tartan
yeah only Noel
umbral seal
I almost always force them to use their evos before albert
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unfeeling axe my GOAT
I don't like this card, because it forces you to play Unshoddy Thing, which is a bad card.
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Cami + Yog -> Cami + Sandy
Sometimes I even have time for Beel to send 15 damage face
mystic tartan
yeah this might be the best boss follower this set
with how insane they synergize
with the other lego
umbral seal
And if you can't clear Cami, you might as well top left, because she auto evolves 5+ cost followers
mystic tartan
fading echo
I don't like this card, because it forces you to play Unshoddy Thing, which is a...
why does it force that?
umbral seal
Because it's bad otherwise.
fading echo
i have shoddys but i'm running them just to drop the dogs early
umbral seal
You can't even puppet + axe with 7 pp because you're wasting the auto evolve part of the card
Just running it for 6 damage is not worth it at all
Currently.
Already at 1690 CR
fading echo
i'm using the evolve because if i shoddy + dog turn 4 turn 7 i can cami + spell on her and then turn 8 i can 4pp cami + ludi then sevo cami and use the spell to deal 6 to something and also evo ludi
Now that's a card.
fading echo
with that line i can get 3 evos turn 7 and then 4 evos turn 8 so it charges chaos/sandal really fast
umbral seal
You make it sound like a lot of evos when it's really not. You could just play substandard puppet back to back on 5.
Evo Forest can literally invoke Sandy on turn 6
I think I've had Sandy fully charged on turn 7 as evo forest
That deck is crazy
fading echo
sub doesn't clear as many things as back to back cami can clear
umbral seal
sub doesn't clear as many things as back to back cami can clear
I'm talking about on 5, not 7.
Different turns.
And on turns where i'd need to clear more than two things, Zwei is there
mystic tartan
And on turns where i'd need to clear more than two things, Zwei is there
never change
blissful olive
letting that hoe attack twice was a mistake
less rights for cardboard women please
umbral seal
letting that hoe attack twice was a mistake
Being behind a wall of wards is the bigger problem.
I don't care that she can hit twice, personally
mystic tartan
Wait, is this person trying to say Cami is a bad card?
nah they trying to downplay her
umbral seal
i do because she clears armes
There's already very few answers to Armes as is. I don't mind that.
mystic tartan
Armes is ez i just golden knight
fading echo
not the best exemple because i couldn't keep imari alive there but it's useful on situations like this 
but i see your point
umbral seal
nah they trying to downplay her
So, Althenia is stronger but Cami comes out one turn earlier
Cami is a pretty difficult hand check as well
umbral seal
if cami costs 7 armes should cost 8
This would be very stupid lol.
mystic tartan
cus u can coin and u can summon her twice if there is that other lego spell
mystic tartan
if cami costs 7 armes should cost 8
lol no
umbral seal
not the best exemple because i couldn't keep imari alive there but it's useful o...
Keeping followers alive after the evo stage just doesn't happen, and if it does, you're going to lose
mystic tartan
This would be very stupid lol.
yeah im done with reddit
fading echo
if cami costs 7 armes should cost 8
only if we give Cami the same layers of protection he gets 
umbral seal
That's where we're at in this game lol
mystic tartan
blissful olive
only if we give Cami the same layers of protection he gets <:LULE:96651794263848...
she spawns 2 simps
how woman like
umbral seal
yeah im done with reddit
This person HAS to be trolling
blissful olive
umbral seal
Bait used to be believable
fading echo
4pp cami has some insane lines
blissful olive
cancer
fading echo
like you can use her at 10pp trade the 4/3 and then use this to fill the board again and sevo her to push face with a full evo'd board 
or you can just turn cami into 4pp and ludi into 5pp and do a full board play for 9pp
umbral seal
Myriad Designs is really good at clearing bloomfairies
blissful olive
true
mystic tartan
last set was oluon or egg shenanigans
blissful olive
at least last set i got unkei
mystic tartan
tbh i did abuse oluon
fading echo
this card has some great potential when you put the dog spells
blissful olive
hopefully loot dies next set
blissful olive
it has to die so abyss can live
umbral seal
this card has some great potential when you put the dog spells
My problem with this is that you never want to play it normally. Summoning it via Myriad Designs is better. It's the same reason why I don't like Shoddy Plaything.
Both the accelerate & normal card suck
fading echo
i still see eggs being played i've seen two today
umbral seal
albert rotating out wont matter
It depends if they print a replacement the very next set
They should but this is Cygames
You never know
mystic tartan
well i will be there
blissful olive
yeah theres a small chance sword just becomes shit next set w/o him
blissful olive
unkei is enough
fading echo
i've been using imari just to tutor spells into the hand instead of board flood so i haven't been putting too many spells in the deck to avoid bricks
umbral seal
hopefully loot dies next set
Loot won't die until Heirs rotates because all their cards are from there
mystic tartan
im still using Sinciro lol
fading echo
it's funny because people see imari on the board turn 3 and they freak out waste resources to kill her afraid of board flood coming next turn
umbral seal
it's funny because people see imari on the board turn 3 and they freak out waste...
It's always a threat, even if that threat is not acted upon
So yeah, you have to clear her
fading echo
if you don't run shoddy you only play the dogs turn 7 or do you waste sub puppets early? 
umbral seal
What do you mean "waste"? I always play substandard puppets early to invoke sandy
I'm not holding onto it to combo with yog, that makes no sense to me
fading echo
i mean waste by accelerating them
umbral seal
I never accelerate that card unless it's to combo with cami on t10
fading echo
where are you using the dog to get spells?
umbral seal
Either turn 7 with Zwei or turn 9 with Cami
Sometimes turn 7 if they can't full clear Myriad Designs
I haven't found it necessary to get Yog's spell super early
It's fine to delay it
It's actually funny that the one accelerate card I run, I never want to accelerate
Because the normal version is better
fading echo
i got a winstreak going with my version but i'll test yours when i lose
wanna see how far i can get this one
mystic tartan
ngl there is not much evo portal
but maybe that will change soon
but yeah i take evo forest than portal
blissful olive
if im playing abyss i think so 2
mystic tartan
Bro people really rate armes fucking high huh
blissful olive
armes poses 2 problems
1 when he hits the board and 2 the fact that u have to save sevo to deal with him
umbral seal
Bro people really rate armes fucking high huh <:kek:1092598898490613760>
I think it's a good card, in a vacuum. It's just not OP right now.
Could it be meta later on? Potentially.
mystic tartan
Yeah i don't have much problem against him cus golden knight is just that good on Enhance
blissful olive
strap in
umbral seal
1 when he hits the board and 2 the fact that u have to save sevo to deal with hi...
Well, the problem is that Armes is actually not threatening unless the Abyss player HAS an SEVO
blissful olive
yeah thats why he works more in mode imo
umbral seal
If they are somehow forced to use their SEVOs before Armes, he is a dead card
blissful olive
cause u have so many resources u dont have to sevo a lot of the time
mystic tartan
i see
blissful olive
unless the paid shuffler wants to tag in again
fading echo
damn lost at 6 wins because i never got any of my early game cards
mystic tartan
I think im done with Reddit lol ๐๐๐ they are so dumb
umbral seal
Most of them are bad players. There's a reason most of them don't make posts about hitting Beyond until late in month 2
Because it's significantly easier to do that, especially on a weaker craft like Forest
Hitting Beyond in week 1 is pretty difficult, primarily because it requires you to play a lot to hit GM0 in the first place
So that you get ahead of everyone else
mystic tartan
umbral seal
Also, I say "weaker craft like Forest", when it instantly went from worst craft to best craft overnight
That being said, Cygames basically brute-forced Evo Forest into being t1
Just look at everything they got
sick oasis
holy crap i haven't met this much ward havens
blissful olive
response to albert prob
well mode is complete dog shit
gonna try evo now which is worse lol
cmon baby
u can do it
ok i win lol
blissful olive
yeah
umbral seal
Like, they'd have to yolo sandy
blissful olive
yea hes a 13/13 theres no way
now if only abyss had a 1 cost spell that gives ward
holy shit
im playing vs roach
i thought these guys went extinct
umbral seal
Roach can actually do well against evo forest because the 3/3 wards don't stop roach lethal
And evo forest can't usually win before the otk unless the roach player has no way to deal with springbloom fairy spam
Like by the time evo forest drops althenia, they could just straight up die
blissful olive
bouta kms
sick oasis
wajaja
umbral seal
I played a bit of Crystal Rune. I think it's solid tier 2.
The problem is that you need to SEVO Shymm before your Calge storm units are actually a threat. The spell from evolving Calge is also hella RNG.
But the deck has insane tempo swings because of how easy it is to get Calge to 0 pp.
umbral seal
Play lyria and pray for belial
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Welp
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Deprived Destroyer is also very good. So is the 3 pp mode card.
A lot of the cards Abyss got are not bad. Some of them are good support for Milteo as well.
blissful olive
yeah the mode card is aight
umbral seal
They just don't make the craft top tier
blissful olive
only reason ppl running milteo is ghost runner
umbral seal
I ran into some people playing the card that let you draw a card on fanfare but has last words: take 1 damage
I'm not entirely sure if that card is worth running, though
umbral seal
It's funny because Ghost Shadow was tier 1 for a long time in SV1 but the thing is, back then, it was online way before turn 6/7
Milteo has to wait too long before you pop off and before that point, you might need to use ghosts on clearing/surviving
The crest is also very restrictive in more ways than it's beneficial imo
Like turn 6/7 was when you were about to die to Ghost Shadow 
blissful olive
ok abyss is literally unplayable unless its milteo smh
maybe next set
i would say mode is ok but all it does is stall and pray armes can win
if mode had a higher pay off it could be good
umbral seal
Mode needs to be the hybrid version with belial, imo
blissful olive
its not enough
umbral seal
Otherwise, their win con is attrition and belial is more reliable at winning the game than armes
blissful olive
its still insanely slow
blissful olive
like modes actual high end mode cards are dog shit u cant in with them
you can only stall
umbral seal
(Probably with Armes, still)
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Both abyss decks get dogwalked by enhance sword, though
blissful olive
yep and struggles vs forest
and literally cant play vs portal
hopefully next set they get a glow up liek forest cause they been ass forever now
umbral seal
Besides deathslash, abyss won't be missing much from classic. They lose cerb but that's only run in midrange
blissful olive
cerb barely matters anymore tbh
umbral seal
Milteo loses Yuna but that's fine because Yuna is often the cause of overdraws
Abyss might be the biggest winner for rotation
blissful olive
i think yuna is repped anyways
sick oasis
The problem is that you need to SEVO Shymm before your Calge storm units are act...
that spell rng is so hilarious tho. i face an albert then i used that spell healed up to 20
usually it's distributed but that one time it only healed me
umbral seal
that spell rng is so hilarious tho. i face an albert then i used that spell heal...
I hit a sword player for 13 with it once
blissful olive
sword also doesnt even need to sevo to beat arms they do it for free
umbral seal
sword also doesnt even need to sevo to beat arms they do it for free
Golden Knight ๐ง๐พโโ๏ธโโก๏ธ
blissful olive
enhance prob dog ass tho next set if they dont get a albert replacement
rn he makes the deck
umbral seal
Ain't no probably. It's the deck's primary wincon
Since winning through board alone in this game is highly suspect
Most of my evo sword wins from last set were with Albert or Oluon RNG
fading echo
chest chores time to stop having fun testing portal decks and switch to forest for easy fast wins
umbral seal
chest chores time to stop having fun testing portal decks and switch to forest f...
Least devoted Portal downplayer. Or do you mean testing non-evo portal decks?
I actually swapped off evo forest because I kept losing the mirror and losing to enhance sword.
I've had way more success with evo portal, and it helps that almost no one else is running it
fading echo
evo portal is too slow to farm chests
and i do have decks for every achetype on portal
umbral seal
evo portal is too slow to farm chests
Don't agree. If you simply cared about speed, you wouldn't be diverting to evo forest. You'd play loot sword or milteo abyss.
As those decks are notably faster
fading echo
i was playing eggs before i saw chest was up
i don't have abyss cards and i don't like loot it never beat my portal decks because it doesn't clear the board enough
umbral seal
Strange argument for a deck that's been tier 1 since its existence
fading echo
i'm not talking about loot since it was released i'm talking about loot right now
umbral seal
Loot is still tier 1. I've been encountering players that just run loot with Yid.
While grinding through diamond master, it wasn't prevalent at all but as soon as I hit GM and started running into Bondy players, it showed up again
There's a honeymoon phase right now and while enhance sword is very strong, I don't think it's better than loot
But we'll see where the meta sits in about a week
umbral seal
I think discard dragon is very good, but probably tier 2.
It's not consistent enough to be tier 1.
Always "not tier 1" doesn't mean it's in the shitter, lol
umbral seal
Although I do agree that abyss is clearly the worst craft right now. Maybe competing with haven.
blissful olive
nobody is running wards its the only reason its good
umbral seal
I mean, it doesn't auto lose to wards, or the evo forest match up would be terrible, but it's not
They have a lot of ways to get past wards
Unless it's an aether board
blissful olive
yeah but its the only reason its doing good rn
like old dragon is better then whatever discard is doing
umbral seal
yeah but its the only reason its doing good rn
Don't agree with this line of arguing. Even if it was more meta, people aren't going to put more wards in their decks because 1. It wouldn't help and 2. It'd suck against other match ups
fading echo
i was looking for sleevs for her deck
umbral seal
like old dragon is better then whatever discard is doing
This, I agree with.
umbral seal
It's the consequence of them deciding on smaller sets.
There's only so much you can do with 76 cards per set
fading echo
fading echo
ralmia sleeves when
blissful olive
i thought we had some
umbral seal
Even if abyss was good, I have a major issue with it being midrange slop instead of being focused on reanimation, last words and necromancy
fading echo
i thought we had some
i don't think so unless it was from a chest event that i missed
or sv1
blissful olive
i screwed up this set for sure making sword abyss and dragon lol
fading echo
oh i guess it could be from purchase bonus on the first set too i don't swipe
blissful olive
if dragon didnt have an issue with clear it would be a lot better
dealing with forest turn 8 is almost impossible
umbral seal
dealing with forest turn 8 is almost impossible
Most decks are having a hard time with Althenia, lol.
This isn't a dragon-only issue.
blissful olive
its worse for them because they have issues with clear in general
like u can use spilling sure but if u dont run raw copies of it u need to wait for ur own tur n 8 and u cant even clear then
umbral seal
I did not find myself needing spilling red before turn 8 so running normal copies of that card is always a mistake.
The only real problem I had with the deck is I always want vorlalai to combo with sagatsu
blissful olive
probably but it solves part of the problem
umbral seal
So I don't have to waste discards
blissful olive
dragon just has no high end clear unless u run burnite but thats another problem
umbral seal
The game should be ending before late game boards are relevant. That's why the JP list you showed me doesn't run the 7 pp board clear.
Why try to solve a problem when you can just win before that problem comes up?
blissful olive
you still need it anyways like ur chances of winning b4 8 are very low vs forest
umbral seal
That has not been my experience at all, lol.
blissful olive
i dont believe that
umbral seal
I had the best win rate vs forest
blissful olive
cause ur storm buddies arnt blowing through a wall of wards
umbral seal
i dont believe that
And my reason for lying would be?
blissful olive
unless they bricking every game theres no way
cause u cant lie to me and say its easy to get around all of the wards while keeping ur damage up
umbral seal
Their wards are not infinite and you do have cards to get around them.
But, I'm already aware of the massive difference in both skill and knowledge here
So there's really no point arguing
blissful olive
like on turn 2-3 if they ave even one of the 3/3s out u are already facing an issue
umbral seal
Okay, buddy.
blissful olive
what u gonna do sloth a 3/3 and end ur turn
like come on be fr
put otohime out and do nothing?
whats the plan here
umbral seal
While I'm working out, I'm going to give you some homework. Look at all the cards in the discard list and tell me how many answers you have for a 3/3 ward
blissful olive
im not talking about that
umbral seal
This is also an issue of you thinking you need to always clear a threat immediately, especially before evos are up
You really don't.
blissful olive
u can get around a singular ward ok but the shit it takes to do it
while u need to keep damage on the board
u not gonna sit there and tell me you out tempoing forest
umbral seal
I can only tell you what I've personally experienced. Whether you choose to believe me or not is entirely up to you.
blissful olive
only 1 card btw can get around a ward early on
and by then it doesnt matter they killed ur otohime already
umbral seal
You don't play otohime for it to stick around
It attacks once, it already did its job
blissful olive
thats their goal to kill ur board
umbral seal
Also, why are you forgetting about sloth?
blissful olive
then u can swing with bane if u want
i mentioned it already
thats not a problem winning by 6 or 7 is
umbral seal
Also doesn't take long to have jellyfish active.
blissful olive
when u keep getting flooded or forced to deal witha board
blissful olive
yeah and if u evo yube it doesnt matter anymore theres plenty of ways
but u specified discard
umbral seal
Having yube absolutely matters, because it lets your orcas 1 for 1 trade into the bloomfairies
They can't otherwise
umbral seal
but u specified discard
I said in the "discard list", not just discard cards
Read what I wrote again. I ain't even edit it
blissful olive
They can't otherwise
thats what i said
but in a week or so this aggro dragon stuff is gonna die down very hard
umbral seal
Probably. I think it'll settle at tier 2, because it can very easily run away with games
I've also thought about the discard card that draws 2 on last words
blissful olive
its a bit worse than sword
umbral seal
Because a major issue I have with the deck is draw consistency
blissful olive
in the fact that if u dont draw fan early u lose
umbral seal
its a bit worse than sword
Enhance Sword is easier than evo forest, imo. They have significantly less protection against storm and they start slow due to the nature of enhance.
Like, evo forest is hard, but winnable
Enhance Sword isn't difficult
blissful olive
rn i run this mostly
i have another version i use too
i should take out fates tho
id prefer some sort of mid range -ish version where i can rung puglist but it doesnt seem possible
umbral seal
Fates are fine. However, there's a reason the most popular lists are not running Filene. Also, Liu Feng should be at 3 and having Advent at 3 is weird. It's good, but not that good. Should be at 2.
Some people run beheading, some don't. At 1 copy, I think it's fine
fading echo
look at this shit i only lost one because i missplayed big time
umbral seal
Best deck in the meta, obviously
blissful olive
filene is still a solid 2 drop
not much else u can put in her place unless u wanna run ocean rider maybe idk
fates i say cause it costs 5 there so slow its terrible removal for a deck that wants to end on 7
umbral seal
not much else u can put in her place unless u wanna run ocean rider maybe idk
They run lyria because pulling sagatsu is a priority, especially if you already have vorlalai in hand
Fate is included because Dragon is the best user of the card, since they can ramp to 10
It's also a 1 card answer to Althenia if you ramped fast enough
umbral seal
You have 6 ramp cards (2 less than traditional ramp lists that include Zooey). Unless you brick, you should be at 10 before the opponent
blissful olive
like on turn 5 i should be hitting them in the face for 6 or 7 if i got a decent hand
apparently the guy running this ended on 15 win streak
bro musta high rolled every game are u kidding
umbral seal
So anyone having success with discard dragon (myself included) is either high rolling or lying. 
I still don't like World of Games in dragon, personally
blissful olive
considering its a pure go face deck
u have to have the stars alline a lot of the time
my best with the list i showed u was 8
but i didnt win 8 games ina row because im good at the game i got lucky
umbral seal
I wouldn't say this is a pure "go face" deck. I do find it interesting that this list includes Neptune instead of something like Odin
umbral seal
Some match ups kinda force you to be defensive, so I get it.
blissful olive
i feel like if u gotta play defense with an aggro deck ur already in the shit
what i really want is a mid range list but i dont think u can even play that rn
fading echo
done with chests
3 or 4 games without spawns
i'm playing significantly more than i usually play prob because there's a lot of interesting decks
i think maybe tomorrow i can get gm if i wake up early
umbral seal
@mystic tartan Despite some of the goofy comments, your post was still upvoted so people are in agreement that Cami is OP
It's just that the giant elephant elf in the room is Althenia
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@blissful olive I'm seeing way more milteo abyss around 1750
It might actually be tier 1. I haven't met a forest player in a hot minute. Or maybe they're all 1850+ already.
umbral seal
Getting there
umbral seal
blissful olive
i wish i could refund these cards so i could make 3 yogs lmao
gonna try using sword today i built it but havent touched it
mystic tartan
Its good
blissful olive
ye hopefully i can run portal soon -ish i kinda wana make it
but i needa get a lil lucky or just not run yog
blissful olive
yeah but that sucks lol
mystic tartan
Enhance sword weakness is direct face like discard or aggro abyss
Cus turn 1-2 is very weak
mystic tartan
Aggro Abyss is a problem if they go 2nd imo
They just coin that goblin
Lilith+ that 2/2 goblin if there is 1/1 on board
blissful olive
aggro so ass its not even on the website thats crazy lmao
i was running this
i was debating putting that storm girl in but its prob not gonna be good
umbral seal
@mystic tartan Okay, unfeeling eld axe is good but it's mistranslated
Because it automatically discounts to 0 after playing cami
And as it's written, that shouldn't happen
blissful olive
lowkey i wish we could just buy cards or vials lol
umbral seal
aggro so ass its not even on the website thats crazy lmao
It's not. Half my games are milteo abyss. The other half is forest.
blissful olive
milteo aint aggro thats otk
umbral seal
lol It's definitely an aggro deck. They aren't trying to set up a kill from 20.
They are just dealing damage every turn.
blissful olive
they can try yeah but their end goal is basically same as sword
to blow ur ass out in 1 turn
umbral seal
They don't have a consistent OTK from 20 hp even with 10 pp. Keyword being "consistent"
For enhance sword, it's just double faith + albert + the token
You need a significantly larger number of specific cards to OTK with milteo
blissful olive
yeah thats the main thing i been hearing its not consistent
which puts it with dragon and sword
umbral seal
which puts it with dragon and sword
Both are these decks are still considered tier 1.
I don't think that'll last for dragon
But it will for Sword
Milteo is the most popular deck even at high CR right now
I don't think I saw other players at beyond right now (besides forest, obviously) except for abyss
blissful olive
nah im saying its the same boat
no fan no majestic no milteo good luck
u gotta draw ur shit
umbral seal
I mean, sure, but unlike dragon & sword, the milteo deck has a fuck ton of card draw
Which puts it in a better position
Of course, if you draw half your deck and still can't find milteo, that's just bad luck
mystic tartan
I mean, sure, but unlike dragon & sword, the milteo deck has a fuck ton of card ...
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mystic tartan
Enhance is so bad against aggro man
umbral seal
I don't agree with abyss being that low.
blissful olive
i believe this is on matches played
umbral seal
Oh
blissful olive
man enhance is rough
if u dont get ur shit early lowkey this feels worse than dragon
mystic tartan
enhance is so bad against face
blissful olive
yeah no healing
might need to adapt lowkey
only thing u got is loyal guard to defend
mystic tartan
my goat adding loot shit to his enhance kek
blissful olive
the worst draws imaginable
no yid or rose to search her was basically playing shitty normal sword
no majestic either
blissful olive
this feels weird dood
like vs forest i didnt even have an opening where i could evo yid for the buff
might also need to put gil in here somehow to deal with early aggression
umbral seal
I've definitely seen lists that run Gil
blissful olive
i think u have to honestly
like if u run into dragon ur fucked especially if they have fan abyss can be rough too if they flood board early
i put 2 in just now
mystic tartan
<@729570331747942480> abyss jumpscare
blissful olive
hmm
well after dismantling that noel im 1k off making evo portal if i want
hrmge
blissful olive
last 2 games i played people not reading armes lol
@mystic tartan why emalia btw
like he draws cards but it cant be for the barrier
mystic tartan
see what loot splash feels like
Nah Noel is ass in that
blissful olive
its just what i saw posted
i havent seen any other loot enhance list or w/e
im also lowkey debating making 3 milteo and running it
umbral seal
Finally got top 1% commenter on the sub reddit
blissful olive
wtf lol
umbral seal
Nah Noel is ass in that <:kek:1092598898490613760>
New loot literally just runs Yid
mystic tartan
yeah
umbral seal
But honestly, loot with no new cards is still tier 1
mystic tartan
and that enhance draw
umbral seal
last 2 games i played people not reading armes lol
Gotta say, Armes has the best animation from this set
Comparable to Erntz
mystic tartan
yeah kinda like Erntz or Getenou
mystic tartan
11 ws using enhance sword from my goat
red plover
giving sword players a taste of their own medicine feels nice 
umbral seal
I've seen dragon players use it too
blissful olive
pov u dont draw fan or literally anything with storm
difference between fan
like holy shit
@mystic tartan gonna try ur goats list lol
blissful olive
@mystic tartan
whats the purpose of putting this in when ur not running loot btw
mystic tartan
whats the purpose of putting this in when ur not running loot btw
heal
or ward
or delete 1/1 follower
blissful olive
oh i see i kinda figured but just on paper i cant see how it would be super impactful
maybe i'll see as i run it more it just feels odd rn
he thinks he safe
not running bea feels weird tho ngl
mystic tartan
not running bea feels weird tho ngl
bea is not great here cus ur plan will be 2
1.board the flood with shit ton of beefy followers so they cant clear
2.albert
blissful olive
just got dicked by milteo
nothing i could do even super evo drain guy from noel didnt matter
mystic tartan
its happen
blissful olive
why i feel like i wanna run gil but idk if she even matters there
umbral seal
Milteo Abyss feels like loot sword in the sense that, depending on their draws, there's nothing you can do
Sometimes they just draw the nuts, and the odds of them not having milteo on 6 is unlikely
Because the deck has strong draw power for an aggro deck
mystic tartan
blissful olive
lowkey the best thing abyss got this set
is the cat
shes gonna be used in like every deck now going forward imo
umbral seal
And it's actually extremely easy to have 4 shadows by turn 4. Don't even need her active on turn 3
Can turn 4 cat + draw at the same time
blissful olive
can i get an albert please
for the love of god
well i got another golden and they outa points
i think i win no matter what eventually
well thats interesting
bruh lol
well i could make xtal rune but now lowkey
but i dont really think i wanna do that lol
i could make evo portal now tho hmm
blissful olive
yeha i dont think i would
im missing 2 shyms or w/e her name is but
if i was spending vials id be making portal
umbral seal
its so dependend on pulling cards
I've been getting crushed by crystal rune lately
blissful olive
im just debating if i wanna save or not or spend 10k for portal rn
umbral seal
It's a good deck
blissful olive
albert bouta come in hot
mystic tartan
I've been getting crushed by crystal rune lately
i always crush them cus its rare they are lucky
milteo abyss is so much worse against enhance for me
blissful olive
yeah u cant defend against a bunch of ghosts
no wards very low healing
u just gotta pray
umbral seal
i always crush them cus its rare they are lucky
Tier 1 deck crushes tier 2 deck. This does not mean it's a bad deck.
A lot of y'all, including people on the subreddit, think anything that's not tier 1 sucks
This is a horrible way to look at the game.
blissful olive
im just careful on what i make cause my resources limited rn
ive got what 2 months tops maybe bit less to rack up vials and shit again
i am strongly debating making evo portal rn tho
i could also make milteos hrm
mystic tartan
honestly milteo it up
blissful olive
but if people start running like more wards and shit doesnt this deck stop working
its only doing so well rn cause no1 running shit against it besides like fukin ward haven
umbral seal
but if people start running like more wards and shit doesnt this deck stop worki...
People can't just "run more wards". That's not how deck building works, because you will just get crushed by everything else if you try to include too many tech cards for one match up
blissful olive
yeah but i also expect people to adapt in some way to not just whoops i lose when milteo shows up
umbral seal
People can afford to run 2 gils max to survive against milteo, and milteo can still kill you in spite of that
blissful olive
same thing with discard rn too we just have very little amounts of people running defense
that u just blow through shit
whatever this meta is called rn its feels very shakey and bursty
umbral seal
yeah but i also expect people to adapt in some way to not just whoops i lose whe...
Well, there's not much you can do if they draw the nuts. Running more wards doesn't even stop you from dying to milteo. The best defense against milteo is a stronger offense, because Tyrannical Fists is unplayable if you pressure them first
Which Evo Portal can do, depending on draws
blissful olive
yeah ur only hope is like cami i guess
cause the only way they clear her is milteo sevo or if they can kill the alarm clock and go face somehow
umbral seal
Unless your deck is built for attrition, your goal against milteo should be to race them
Not outlast them
umbral seal
cause the only way they clear her is milteo sevo or if they can kill the alarm ...
They can clear her without milteo, and I make sure not to drop Cami if I know milteo is coming
They have to use quite a bit of resources to clear her, or kill you past her, but it's not that difficult
Also, the deck runs 3x deathslash, and it realistically only takes three 1/1's to kill cami herself. Another 2 1/1's to kill the ward, assuming you don't have bibatii
Or ghost runner
blissful olive
when she comes down lowkey i think u go face and kill or lose on the spot
cause theres nothing they can do to clear that huge stat line
unless u count reapers then sure
blissful olive
ive had that happen a few times lol
this is my fear of running milteo dont draw = die
fuq it lets try it
im an abyss main anyways
first game worst MU i think the game just hates me
lol they scooped
blissful olive
oh mai
blissful olive
might a terrible hand 2 keep
mystic tartan
its terrible
blissful olive
but ima see what happens lol
mystic tartan
lol
blissful olive
ward haven at least beats the hell outa milteo
and slows dragon down a bit
i won lol
wasnt a mirror they playing shitty evo
mystic tartan
nvm forest too strong against ward haven
lol i meet crystal rune
bro cant do nothing
blissful olive
yeah vs any aggro centric deck
ward have is really annoying
they should print this lowkey lol
sick oasis
<a:NOWAYING:1120799446733705277>
mooooots!!
am i the only one playing crystal here...
umbral seal
I played it a bit but I'm not using it to climb
The crystal spells also make pure spellboost better
And you honestly kind of need it with all the aggro abyss everywhere
umbral seal
Finally a meta where forest is top tier and popular, yet @cursive crypt is MIA 
sick oasis
need to advertise it to him more
unkempt lava
mystic tartan
Forest is gigagood
cursive crypt
Finally a meta where forest is top tier *and* popular, yet <@475790499488202762>...
Wym I'm playing rn
I wanna make another deck but dunno what yet
I started this season at emerald master cause I didn't play for a while
mystic tartan
mystic tartan
Lol
sick oasis
they really should've made him a sword imo
mystic tartan
That elf is voice by Lelouch
mystic tartan
got to ultimate wicked
umbral seal
Yeah, I keep encountering more roach players now
umbral seal
Reminder that Sword has had at least one tier 1 deck every set
Sword players have no right to complain about anything
At this point, every craft has had their shine in the sun. Some way more than others.
umbral seal
Sword has had more broken cards than Albert in SV1. And the loot package is still potent even without Albert
Complaining before seeing what the next set has makes no sense
mystic tartan
Reminder that Sword has had at least one tier 1 deck every set
now we have 2
do i make post in FB to recruit more shadoba
to guild ?
umbral seal
Sure. 
mystic tartan
blissful olive
but what about
mystic tartan
blissful olive
it seems pretty good
but i wouldnt say its insane or anything
i would guess it does very well into sword or dragon
umbral seal
CQCQ is a dedicated loot sword main. I'll let you think about his assessement of deck strength.
Yeah, lost again. Deck is being underrated by bad players.
The only thing Crystal Rune really loses to is Kruelle SEVO. It has a surprising amount of healing and damage.
umbral seal
4 drop Forest card.
umbral seal
It's why every evo forest list runs it now. It cucks a lot of decks, not just crystal rune.
blissful olive
yeah it kills abyss and rune for sure
mystic tartan
i hate that card
umbral seal
Kruelle was never a bad card - it's just the decks that would want to play her were bad.
Like Izudia Forest, for example.
@mystic tartan You know of any streamers who play evo portal?
I'm at that point where I'm getting somewhat desperate and sv wins isn't helping b/c everyone abandoned portal
mystic tartan
lol i dont know
umbral seal
You know, I should actually add Lu-Woh to my deck
It would cuck Crystal Rune super hard
blissful olive
lol
sick oasis
The fact that CQCQ is playing crystal rune should tell you something
eyyy i didn't falter
maxed out the deck day 1
tho i'm trying different decks rn
ez dodge
blissful olive
lowkey milteo was a mistake lol this deck is not good
blissful olive
no way u have less than 3k
umbral seal
Remember that grp is gimped below master
Having 3k before master rank is a lot
He'll probably be master in a week, but I dunno if he can hit GM3 this month as well
It's possible
blissful olive
depends on free time ig
umbral seal
Also, I dislike fighting milteo abyss. Every match feels like a coin flip.
umbral seal
Uh, no. It's still tier 1.
blissful olive
no you cant
umbral seal
Oluon was coin flipping games on t7 and yet it was used in every sword deck
umbral seal
you have to high roll so hard
You kinda don't.
umbral seal
Also, I can count on one hand the amount of times an abyss played missed milteo on 6
blissful olive
milteo is not random
umbral seal
And I've been running into a lot of abyss
blissful olive
sure its popular but its high roll
umbral seal
milteo is not random
That's not what I mean. What I mean is that it doesn't usually feel like I'm in control of the outcome
blissful olive
thats how milteo is
umbral seal
Similar to loot sword, sometimes you're just dead no matter what
umbral seal
Unless I was playing a deck meant to just heal constantly. I ran into some stall crest havens
But I can just otk them with my deck
blissful olive
yeah lowkey the best haven right now is probably ward
because believe it or not this is a bit of an aggro meta rn
umbral seal
So, there's loot sword, aggro abyss (not milteo), milteo abyss and crystal rune
blissful olive
dragon too
umbral seal
Hmm, yeah, discard dragon is aggro as well
That's more aggro decks than I remember from any other set
Honestly
blissful olive
lowkey i hope next set mode abyss becomes good
they are like 1-2 decent supports from being amazing
umbral seal
Mode Abyss was already good in Heirs. I'd rather it not be good again.
umbral seal
Running pure mode with no belial is a dumb decision
Any ranked viable mode deck has belial
blissful olive
like rn armes is the best finisher in abyss and thats not good
mode needs like a higher pay off card
umbral seal
Armes is significantly less reliable because the best deck in the meta has a 1 card answer to armes (golden knight)
Belial is far more reliable
blissful olive
the only 2 things it has is val and gin but thats not even like crazy
umbral seal
Your issue is that you want a "mode card" to be a win con, that is not needed when the deck has access to non-mode win cons
If you want to run a mode deck without using the tools available to you, that's on you
blissful olive
every archetype should have its own big card or boss monster
something ur aiming for
umbral seal
Don't agree because that'd be boring
blissful olive
well its already the case now
except for abyss
every other deck has a boss monster that plays into the archetype
umbral seal
Armes & Belial are not "big cards" to you?
blissful olive
billy still needs 4 turns to go 3 if ur lucky
armes is not as powerful as we thought
and he needs 2 be in hand early 2
umbral seal
You're stating the flaws in the cards, but they still count as "big cards". Or are we changing definitions now?
I agree that they are flawed, that doesn't change what they are.
blissful olive
discord?
umbral seal
Discord bugging out, I had to resend my messages twice lol
blissful olive
problem with armes too is we pray to god it doesnt die
whereas other decks dont care if their boss monster dies it did its job the turn it came down
umbral seal
problem with armes too is we pray to god it doesnt die
Based on everything I've seen in the meta right now, Armes dies to Althenia & Golden Knight. Which is why a deck with Armes should still run Belial
If there's ever a meta where most decks don't have a 1 card answer naturally built in their optimal decklist, he'll probably shine more but probably never as a main win con
Just an alternative
blissful olive
long as we get like 2 decent decks out of next set im happy
its this far in and were still incomplete
or rather maybe we are complete but it just sucks
cursive crypt
armes is the guy that is hard to kill without a super evo yes?
blissful olive
yeah the 13/13
cursive crypt
that card is too slow fr
blissful olive
its because it has to live for 1 turn and it needs to be sevo
its just not very good
cursive crypt
can u banish it?
cursive crypt
rly? iirc it didnt have aura
cursive crypt
i just made a mistake of attacking it with some shitters without knowing it destroys on clash
the first time i played vs it
cursive crypt
basically it dies to marwyn's banish and shit that can attack 2x with sevo
thats a pretty hard card to get rid of now that i think about it
still too slow though
blissful olive
ngl
i think i need to take out some draw power in milteo
u over draw so often in this deck
umbral seal
i think i need to take out some draw power in milteo
You say that until you get games where you don't draw enough
blissful olive
both happen
like this game right here for example is unwinnable
didnt really get anything
for milteo going 1st also really fucks u
like look at this shit this impossible to win lol
umbral seal
Exactly why you shouldn't cut any draw
blissful olive
draw wasnt the problem here
but this is also like the worst mu
this is why this deck cant be tier 1
this is just drawing milteo or not
umbral seal
this is why this deck cant be tier 1
I take the opinion of the ladder monsters over your topaz opinion
Milteo is good into evo forest and enhance sword. It's why I see it way more often than both those decks.
Tier 1 =/= "no bad match ups"