Shadowverse

[fading echo]

people have been replacing supplicant with tsubasa to boost chaos legion but supplicant can clear intimidate tsubasa can't

[umbral seal]

What's your list?

[umbral seal]

Supplicant is not clearing Wilnas, let's be real

[mystic tartan]

+ganryu and gold dragon

[umbral seal]

It can clear Forte, which is irrelevant because Forte already did her job

[mystic tartan]

i just lost cus this guy triple dclimb

[fading echo]

yeah he can i could clear him with supplicant + lishenna spell but i wasted the spell instead of clearing with lishenna herself

if i saved the spell it was just supplicant + evo 4 + lishenna spell 8

especially if people go dragonsign into zoey into wilnas he's gonna be alone on the empty board since zoey is easy to clear

[umbral seal]

I mean, at that point, I'll take that 2 for 1

Mode Abyss is cookin' too

[fading echo]

https://streamable.com/2rxe7o wtf was that

why did he quit

[umbral seal]

I don't really like Ferocious Flame but I've seen people use it. You should definitely cut Beast Absorption, though.

The main banish target that will fuck you is Lilanthim, who has aura

Just an extremely bad card.

I'd also consider 1-2 shark bois because there will be games where you can't close it out due to a wall of bullshit. Mostly against Haven. Sometimes against Rune or Abyss.

[mystic tartan]

its fine it can be clutch also i like the card

cutting it to one tho

honestly could won that game if i can pull Filene

[umbral seal]

I'm struggling to imagine a situation where Beast Absorption can be clutch but suit yourself

[mystic tartan]

i use it once to yoink opponent Wilnas

[umbral seal]

My only issue with that is you spend 5 pp to steal a target, don't develop your own board and gives back tempo to the opponent. It's true that with a stolen Wilnas you can easily steal back tempo but you'll notice a lot of the strongest cards in the game develop a threat and remove threats at the same time

Wilnas does exactly that. So does Odin, Garyu, Sinciro, Ginsetsu, etc.

List goes on.

[mystic tartan]

its fine

only 1 card

i really like the card so

its all about the fun

done triharding with Sword

[umbral seal]

[brisk adder]

because he's not reading how bane works

[fading echo]

missplays like that is why marie is the best sword leader

she just looks so dumb

[fading echo]

chaos legion is so good

[umbral seal]

Feel like playing some games?

[fading echo]

i can play tomorrow a bit earlier i'm gonna go grab dinner now

i actually had fun this session though this was testing chaos legion portal

i think portal is probably not gonna be S tier when people figure out more aggressive meta decks but being able to proactively end games turn 10 makes it at least viable versus the slow decks which is good since this set theme is another slow theme

[brisk adder]

[umbral seal]

I'm honestly confused as to how some fellas make the pure belial deck work

I legit only lose with that shit

[cursive crypt]

my belial deck legit wins most of the time through sandalphon instead of belial lol

[umbral seal]

Post your list.

Against match-ups like evo rune and ward haven, it's difficult to even get sandy to hit face

[cursive crypt]

im ingame

but i agree deck is kinda ass

umm i think ur favored vs haven tho

rune and portal are hard af

[umbral seal]

Yeah, I actually just deleted the deck. Trying to maintain diamond as I get to gm

[umbral seal]

If you can turbo boost your belial, sure. If you don't, it's gg.

The portal match up is better compared to mode abyss

That list is too slow, but evo abyss can, again, turbo boost belial before you die to beel

The only evo deck that I think doesn't suck is ER Rune, honestly.

[cursive crypt]

well thats just how it is, but at least u can stall a lot with heals even if you dont draw it early

im gonna craft evo forest

[umbral seal]

Not really. Unless your list is wildly different from what I've been seeing.

[cursive crypt]

idk mine is pretty standard i think

i play one ginsetsu

i crafted this day 1

i think i should cut supplicant though

[umbral seal]

Most lists aren't running vuella. You definitely should not cut supplicant, though.

Running 2x ginsetsu is probably correct, because there are some boards even belial can't clear

[cursive crypt]

i havent really looked at the lists people play but this was mine

i also didnt wanna craft the last nehan so i kept him at 2 lol

what do they play instead of vuella?

vuella saved me a lot of trouble vs portal and sword

[umbral seal]

Nehan can be a bit awkward but I'd say 3 copies is needed to reliably speed-boost belial

[umbral seal]

More copies of Gilnelise

Probably still trash but I'll playtest in unranked

[mystic tartan]

man without that 5 cost neptune Zirconia is really too strong against Dragon

[unkempt lava]

Haven still busted

[mystic tartan]

fuck i lost to triple vira

[cursive crypt]

Against what? I feel like nothing is way over the top atm

It's way harder for haven to just heal for 10 on turn 7-8 now. Not that anyone still plays benison lol

[mystic tartan]

finally i pulled Filene against haven

Aether

[mystic tartan]

another Aether down to filene

[umbral seal]

All the Havens from the past 2 days seem to be hiding

Wilnas into Garyu is absolutely disgusting

Never had consistent win streaks with dragon in the previous set

[mystic tartan]

Portal is the most popular rn

[umbral seal]

If you're playing dragon, you should be happy about that

[mystic tartan]

oh im happy if they didnt have both Shena-tan and Sylvia in hand

[umbral seal]

Even then, it's a favorable matchup

[mystic tartan]

it is

[gritty anvil]

so puppets are dead again ?

[nocturne karma]

@gritty anvil has leveled up! (90 ➜ 91)

[gritty anvil]

eggs better ?

[umbral seal]

It's fine, just not popular.

A deck being unpopular doesn't always mean that it's bad

[mystic tartan]

its okay

[mystic tartan]

absolutely

[gritty anvil]

so they buffed puppets right before they got better deck

if they used brain they would have buffed artifacts instead

thats the archetype that needed most buff

does beel works with artifacts ? like does face dmg one and aoe one more dmg ?

[fading echo]

Not aoe he just buffs leader damage

I think he's too high cost to work unless you go for triple beta lethal with ralmia but that's a maybe because it's hard to reach turn 10 with just triple betas

If he was cost 7 though that would be a huge buff to artifact and puppets rn he's just easier to play in egg

But cost 7 would make egg broken

[gritty anvil]

imagine if he turned also heals into extra 1

[umbral seal]

He's already extremely good as is, he doesn't need buffs

[brisk adder]

i think egg is the best control deck right now imo

loot sword is still fucking strong af

[umbral seal]

I barely run into sword

[mystic tartan]

yeah people mostly play portal haven or abyss

the one i run into

and sword is midrange

prob cus loot only add zeta and bea

its basically the same

tablet strat

[brisk adder]

i play unga bunga aggro go face sword

[mystic tartan]

xdd

[umbral seal]

Easiest GM run of my life

Definitely a tier 2 deck. Feels like tier 1 if the deck ramps twice.

If the next set adds another ramper, tier 1.

[umbral seal]

@cursive crypt @mystic tartan Made you both sub-leaders. Help me recruit, thanks

[mystic tartan]

[umbral seal]

I'm tempted to play the Wamdus Rune deck, since it looks the closest to the old Daria deck from SV1

[mystic tartan]

yeah its annoying af

that deck

if u dont have answer to it

basically gg

[umbral seal]

Won with an 18 atk wamdus

Turn 7 d climb too

I'm sure my opponent was tilted

[mystic tartan]

won against portal without ramp

cus hes fucking bricked

almost lost tho cus he had lu woh

i take back my words for him

hes annoying af for storm

[fading echo]

I'm gonna make that after i get gm since i pulled her ticket

[umbral seal]

Balanced board.

[umbral seal]

He's a decent tech option but I'm not sure if most portal lists run him

[mystic tartan]

yeah usually sylvia better

[fading echo]

Eggs has a lot of variety rn

Ryu cooked some evolution egg portal maharu is doing traditional egg with bubs and there's chaos legion aggro egg

I made chaos legion with sylvia because she's just too good versus sword

[red plover]

this is basically what the npc fight is against her is like

[umbral seal]

The funny part is that even if he could clear that board, he would still die to a d-climb combo

I think if I went back to abyss, it'd have to be midrange or aggro. Everything else is too slow against portal.

[mystic tartan]

i aint playing portal tho

they are truly the crest haven of this set

[fading echo]

I was so fucking dead this match without 3 sylvias

[mystic tartan]

[fading echo]

If you don't have the guy that just destroys shit it's really hard to clear dragon boards they have a fuck ton of stats to just trade into with your 2 atk shit

[mystic tartan]

yeah basically if Portal got no Sylvia and Shena-tan in hand its joever

[fading echo]

Even lishenna is useless if they have a bunch of 2/2 fish

[umbral seal]

The tier list that stated dragon is tier 3 is super clueless

By far one of the most consistent decks in the meta right now

[fading echo]

Yeah zoey helped the curve

[umbral seal]

Anotha one.

Crazy consistent deck, honestly.

[umbral seal]

Aight, gym time.

[mystic tartan]

my goat playing siete sword

got to epic

[umbral seal]

No idea who "Siete" is. Do you mean Seofon?

[mystic tartan]

yea

Siete in JP

(still ass tho )

[umbral seal]

Yeah, evo sword is just not good. Evo Rune is good. Evo Abyss is allegedly good but I personally have had shit luck with it.

Rune's new 5 drop is insane. 2 evos for the small price of 2 ER.

The main weakness is lack of reach. There's been many ocassions where I ignore their board because I know they don't have significant out-of-hand damage.

[mystic tartan]

Evo abyss is okay

need luck tho

i got cucked by haven barrier once

it hurts

[umbral seal]

The problem with evo abyss is that, even if you have belial in your hand turn 1, it feels like the win con is too slow.

Many instances where I've been 1 turn off lethal before dying to post-beel portal

[mystic tartan]

yeah its awful against portal

evo abyss can heal so much its insane

[umbral seal]

Usually irrelevant. I can storm them down with dragon faster than they can heal.

And stalling alone isn't a win con unless you're against aggro

[fading echo]

Yeah i usually kill abyss right before belial pops

[mystic tartan]

yeah against Dragon either he heals too much or u just kill him

[umbral seal]

With portal's popularity, I surely expected roach forest to be making a return

Even though Lu Woh does counter it

[mystic tartan]

theres Haven Hybrid too

[umbral seal]

All the ward havens are hybrid, pretty sure. They run Marywn and Aether.

[fading echo]

This is the evolution & destruction portal deck i saw haven't tested it yet because i don't have the legendaries for it

[mystic tartan]

lol i have seen Eustace

killing people

they lack critical info

Clash

[umbral seal]

Card game players don't read, obviously

[fading echo]

Should be pretty decent because tsubaki boosts sky thingies without wasting evos on him

And he's 3atk rush to trade into shit

[umbral seal]

3x Lu Woh seems a bit excessive.

The cards are correct but I disagree with certain counts.

You could cut Vyrn entirely, tbh. And add a 3rd Tsubasa.

[fading echo]

That's the one ryu was using if i claim the free portal deck i can make it with two lu ohs 3 tsubasas but I'm not sure if i wanna claim that or rune/abyss

[mystic tartan]

brooo

look at this guy

needs some buff yeah fuck off

[umbral seal]

Hitting GM isn't an accomplishment, especially with a tier 1 deck tbh. But that guy is high.

If anything, artifacts need help. While you can obviously put beel in an artifact deck, the payoff just isn't the same.

[mystic tartan]

yeah Artifact on death bed

[umbral seal]

I also think midrange sword needs help. Playing for the board and only relying on Albert is not reliable anymore.

You need loot-tier damage.

There's too many control decks that shit stomp midrange.

[mystic tartan]

[fading echo]

Yeah egg is decent, puppet is a bit lower because less healing and artifact is dead af

But eggs doesn't need anything imo if it had more it would be crest haven set 3 tier

Rn it dies to big stats and aggro boards

but thats fine i don't want the deck to be invincible i just want it to be able to beat some decks like it can right now

[umbral seal]

Calling it decent is underselling it. I don't think any tier list has it lower than tier 1.

Crest Haven wasn't tier 0 last set either but it was very annoying to deal with.

[mystic tartan]

so glad Beningson got killed

[nocturne karma]

@mystic tartan has leveled up! (95 ➜ 96)

[mystic tartan]

fuck that shit

[fading echo]

I can't say its much better because you still only have two sources of eggs at least for the full egg version

I played a match that 0 eggs showed up up to turn 10

It would be insanely better if it got another egg generator to 3x in the deck like dragon got more ramp source

[umbral seal]

With beel, you honestly don't even need eggs early

They can show up late and as soon as beel shows up, the damage accumulation is very fast

[fading echo]

You kinda do to avoid breaking your own tempo to survive a bunch of your cards still want to destroy things to function

Without eggs you gotta use two drops and kill your own board to clear things

It's super scuffed

And you can't bubs low hp because you're just dead to hand bursts

And you're gonnna be low hp without eggs it's a cycle of bricking

[mystic tartan]

im interested in playing dirt rune

[umbral seal]

Not saying it's ideal but portal can manage. If things were literally hopeless if you don't draw one of your 6 cards, the deck would be considered tier 3 at best, which is where dragon was last set

But that's clearly not the case

[fading echo]

More like it's hopeless without eggs the 6 costs just help you survive the 7/8 costs

Mostly sylvia the guy is pretty useless without a board to sacrifice or eggs

Which is why i modified the deck that cut sylvia she's just too good at saving your life

[umbral seal]

Congregant helps you conserve evos, even though you need a board

You can also utilize puppets with congregant

[fading echo]

It's situational but given the new influx of 5hp+ things I've been using puppets more often to clear things earlier

The new clash guy should be pretty funny to use if people still try to bane lishenna they have no idea that clash even exists

[fading echo]

Also I'm down to play today after work if you have time i wanna test some versions of egg versus dragon see if there's a way to deal with it

[umbral seal]

If dragon ramps twice, you might as well concede, honestly

I'm at the gym right now. I'll be done in about 90 mins

[fading echo]

It's chill I'm still at work for another 3 hours ish

[umbral seal]

@gritty anvil Did you quit?

[red plover]

man, the chances of him hitting my face 4 times in a row, while having 3 bodies on the field

[fading echo]

100% just like how the banish spear never misses orchis

[umbral seal]

Deserved, tbh

[mystic tartan]

wajaja

[blissful olive]

but can they do 16 in 1 turn

the answer is no lmao

evoed billy twice so it super sped that shit up

[mystic tartan]

tried Siete sword

its fun

also Grim fucking OP on this one

Gildaria , Golden Knight ,Siete can self super evo

[fading echo]

@umbral seal games?

[umbral seal]

Sure

[mystic tartan]

peak

another one cus that one died

[umbral seal]

ggs

Need to make some changes

[fading echo]

thanks for the matches

[umbral seal]

Definitely need to run 2 genesis for matches like that

Swapping out my shark with azurifrit

[fading echo]

yeah i teched in the wired assault to help dealing with wilnas and it worked out

had to cut vyrn

[mystic tartan]

lmao i triple seofon a mode abyss

he almost won due to billy effect

[mystic tartan]

killed a loot sword with yurius

[umbral seal]

Double epic. I'ma keep grinding tomorrow.

[gritty anvil]

pretty much ye

but maybe i comeback not sure yet

[mystic tartan]

this seofon sword bricked so hard against dragon

cant kill Wilnas xdd

[blissful olive]

so is dragon bad vs haven btw?

considering how much removal they have now

[umbral seal]

No.

Slightly difficult but very winnable. Depends on your list.

[blissful olive]

checked game with and apparently they hate dragon lol

they rated it B no way its that bad

[umbral seal]

It's not. It's tier 2.

Dragon was very consistent on my climb to gm

[blissful olive]

are we dropping to masters every set now i g?

[umbral seal]

Correct.

[mystic tartan]

if u dont pull Filene yeah

but usually u pull her

[blissful olive]

[mystic tartan]

with Galmi crest its ez

[blissful olive]

im not running her

[mystic tartan]

wtf

shes broken

clear

her overflow saved my ass many times

[blissful olive]

idk sister not running her

[mystic tartan]

up to u

[umbral seal]

Not running Filene in dragon is literally trolling.

[mystic tartan]

gonna bricked hard

against Crest Haven

[blissful olive]

what would u take out

to add 3

[mystic tartan]

whats ur list

[blissful olive]

i stole ur old 1 i think when i was being lazy

[umbral seal]

Is this a serious question? What kind of dogshit list are you running?

There is legit no competitive dragon list that

[mystic tartan]

[umbral seal]

that's not running Filene

[mystic tartan]

wait ur running it

[blissful olive]

think u posted this like yesterday

im talking about the other bitch

[mystic tartan]

then thats fine

[blissful olive]

the - cost

[umbral seal]

Lyria?

[mystic tartan]

who

[blissful olive]

no

the other one

feenie or w/e i guess

[mystic tartan]

oh

[umbral seal]

Fennie is way too slow in this meta

That is different from storm dragon

[blissful olive]

yeah thats why i was confused

[mystic tartan]

yeah

like Belial clears fennie hard

also Portal

[blissful olive]

billy been kinda fun

[mystic tartan]

mode abyss running belial too

well its 10 clear

[umbral seal]

They have to, in order to have a hard win condition

[mystic tartan]

[umbral seal]

Some decks you can beat with pure value after Sham Nacha but that's not the case vs control decks

[mystic tartan]

Dirt rune is strong man

this shit Lilanthim is annoying af

[umbral seal]

Only haven can deal with Lilanthim

[mystic tartan]

she can sevo and Sandalphon

[umbral seal]

And the rest of the deck is strong even if you deal with Lilanthim

[mystic tartan]

yeah they adding Raio too

cus haven

[umbral seal]

Spent all day playing Wamdus Rune just to be stuck at 1650

[mystic tartan]

Xdd

[umbral seal]

I'm changing my opinion. Dragon is tier 1.

I never got to ultimate this fast.

Slightly different from before. 2nd genesis & made room for azurifrits.

Lemme see if I can hit Beyond tonight.

Holy.

[fading echo]

fighting dragons is always a boss battle it's pretty fun

[fading echo]

insane 17 damage burst if everything went off and if there was something left on the board for me to hit it would be 19 burst

massive buff from the previous 11 damage the same combo would do if there was something left for axia to kill and ping 1 face

[umbral seal]

Wait, isn't Rikka the forest goat?

Pretty sure he spammed the fuck out of Tempo Forest last set.

Maybe he's just an aggro player

[fading echo]

i think after forest got kinda bad he started just trying to get rank 1 on all classes

[umbral seal]

He's playing aggro abyss (shocker)

I'm cookin' him, though

[fading echo]

there's like a 12 hours crest haven stream on his youtube channel

oh hey he's live

[umbral seal]

This fella healed a lot

[fading echo]

he missplayed the pp count with that 1 pp

[umbral seal]

Absurd healing from that deck.

Probably should've played my Wilnas earlier

[fading echo]

yeah he's not aggro i was watching the stream he's doing evo abyss

he just has 3 pumpkin girls for the face ghosts

it was a nice match though if you top decked a genesis it was gg

[brisk adder]

abyss is the best class

you cant counter the gay card

20 damage to face

[unkempt lava]

Go face and win. The deck lacks wards or heals

[brisk adder]

wards and heals

[umbral seal]

There's several, in fact

Not to mention it's a very slow win con

[brisk adder]

70% of my games are vs abyss

[umbral seal]

This CR is so hard

I'm going to sleep

I'll hit Beyond tomorrow

[brisk adder]

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X · Nov 1, 2025, 4:55 AM

The god pull

[mystic tartan]

Dragonge

just dont let them drain

[umbral seal]

Evo Abyss is super annoying.

[mystic tartan]

absolutely

[umbral seal]

[mystic tartan]

really fucks with aggro

[umbral seal]

So close.

[mystic tartan]

bat bat bat

[umbral seal]

Technically, dragon has the most options to deal with rush/drain in the form of intimidate

But it's still a bit of a difficult match-up

Basically have to ramp quickly and overwhelm them before they get their healing.

[umbral seal]

@fading echo A fennie deck I cooked up if your friend still wants one.

Personally not going to playtest it in ranked, though. Just unranked games.

[umbral seal]

OMFG

My last game was against loot sword and top deck Albert would've been lethal

[mystic tartan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749799445478244393/1283058930787815455/forsenNugget.gif

[fading echo]

[umbral seal]

Holy shit, I just realized my storm deck is 94k vials

Wallet Dragon.

[mystic tartan]

yeah 6 new lego

[red plover]

early ticket this time

[umbral seal]

It's crazy how I can hit beyond and still have shit lords tell me it's a bad deck

Can't fix stupid

@fading echo Does this look correct?

[fading echo]

yeah looks playable

if you're going full aggro you might wanna cut one supplicant and add odin or another bub

[umbral seal]

Funny, I recently did this after playtesting lol

Added a 3rd bub

[unkempt lava]

Do you guys do weekend tournaments?

I forgotten about it

[mystic tartan]

its just bad man

what can u say

[mystic tartan]

last weekend no lobby tourney

https://www.reddit.com/r/Shadowverse/comments/1omv9yv/im_fighting_for_my_life_out_here_man/ this dragon is ass lol just hit golden and save ur shit

[mystic tartan]

of course lose 2 round to sword fucking craft

loot sword is so strong man fuck this

lol i won cus gilnelise

[mystic tartan]

finally GM

i meet sword only lul

[mystic tartan]

my goat did it

using midrange sword lul

[gritty anvil]

dragon finally good

[umbral seal]

Yep, but the subreddit still downplaying how good it is

[mystic tartan]

man tempted to buy bp

someone buy me

[umbral seal]

Begging

[mystic tartan]

man Portal bricked is literally joever

[umbral seal]

I'ma try to hit Beyond with Portal as well but Destruction has been awful. Feels like it wins too slowly until you hit Beel and in the mirror, whoever goes second is basically guaranteed to win since you get Beel off first

Puppet has been much better.

[mystic tartan]

[umbral seal]

I'm cookin'

Also, don't risk playing after hitting Beyond. The guy that was previously rank 1 Dragon fell all the way back down to 1776.

[mystic tartan]

lmao

many loot sword on the rise

[umbral seal]

On the rise? They never left.

Pretty sure Sword has the most Beyond players right now.

[mystic tartan]

nah i mean

they already out

like past few days they playing for fun

like i didnt meet a single loot

last few days

today wow

almost

[umbral seal]

That's just the nature of random match making

I'm sure other people probably play loot sword every other game

But the deck is still very popular.

[mystic tartan]

deck is just S tier

and now they adding Zeta Bea

bricked ?? tablet it up

[umbral seal]

Yeah I haven't seen a single loot sword play Zirconia since this set

Zirconia is just a midrange card now

[mystic tartan]

im a victim of +1 double quickblader

[mystic tartan]

yeah they cut it

shes really strong if enemy dont have answer but

usually they have

[umbral seal]

Zirconia is still a strong card but not with the way loot wants to play

[mystic tartan]

also she need an evo point

[umbral seal]

You'd still play Zirconia in midrange and evo sword for Gildaria's rally

[mystic tartan]

and u dont want to use sevo

on her

as loot

Congregant is just better and now theres Zeta Bea

[umbral seal]

Moot point. She's always worth the evo.

Congregant & Zirconia do two different things. Congregant clears the board. Zirconia creates a threatening board

[mystic tartan]

yeah if late game shes basically useless cus loot spend their evo very fast

like when using tablet ur bricking urself by adding her

u need to draw clutch

[umbral seal]

I've basically retired from Sword after set 3.

Noob class, tbh.

Commanders got deleted from the game

[mystic tartan]

honestly beyond loot sword mirror is just intense af

very engaging

need use brain very well

[umbral seal]

The person going 2nd should basically always be favored since you get super evo first

I don't think having turn 1 quickblader going first can overcome that

[mystic tartan]

i also finally run into a roach forest

[umbral seal]

Playing beel in puppet portal has been surprisingly good. Insane upgrade in reach if you save Orchis post beel

[mystic tartan]

they are almost extinct

[umbral seal]

Roach has always been unpopular. It's just even less popular now because of how strong ward haven is this set.

Even in set 1, when it was the best deck, it wasn't that popular. But it was around

[mystic tartan]

forest evo is just not that good

honestly weakest class rn

[umbral seal]

Roach has good match ups into destruction portal, evo abyss and evo rune since their win cons are pretty slow.

[umbral seal]

Every version of Forest that isn't Roach is not good

Tempo, Izudia, Rose Queen

Rose Queen is actually the most viable of the non-roach decks imo.

[mystic tartan]

just got double zirconiad

fucking god its strong against ur deck lul

also didnt have filene ready

[umbral seal]

You're playing my exact list?

[mystic tartan]

ye

[umbral seal]

Well, double Zirconia is hard for anyone to beat

Shit happens

[fading echo]

10 damage gilnelise after 2 debuffs

1 turn before belial crest too

[umbral seal]

Any gamers?

One quick match?

[mystic tartan]

im in match lul

[umbral seal]

Hurry up

[mystic tartan]

done

[umbral seal]

Shit, I ended up queuing again

My fault

[mystic tartan]

lol

[red plover]

[umbral seal]

Aight, I'm done, fr fr

[mystic tartan]

ye

[umbral seal]

Thanks.

[mystic tartan]

no problemo

[fading echo]

af video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5dgKb2O5yI

[fading echo]

wtf was this match

sword players are fucking weird man

[red plover]

if you brick, you brick

[fading echo]

he didn't brick though he could clear that with evo

[red plover]

well dont know what else he had on hand

[fading echo]

portal is so fun

when they know it's over

the buff from bubs was so huge for destruction deck

kinda wish forest was better though roach was fun too

[umbral seal]

Show CR

[fading echo]

last season was low i barely played

this season i'm still climbing out of master

[red plover]

I hate the mode matchup turn 18

[umbral seal]

Bout to hit Beyond on Portal too

Not destruction, though. Trash. I was dropping to 1400 with that shit

Had to climb back up hard

[fading echo]

i can't really spam games at work anymore because i have a bunch of stuff to do so the climb has been slow

[umbral seal]

I can't even play at work. I've been off work for like 6 days. I go back on Wednesday.

But yeah, I'm changing my tier ranking. Puppet Portal: S+. Destruction Portal: S, if you can find eggs. B, if you can't.

Also the mirror match up with destruction is horrible. The person going 2nd just wins if they find Beel on 8.

[fading echo]

i don't have any complaints from this season so far though the matches don't feel unwinnable anymore now that you can actually end games with portal when people are over 10 hp

[umbral seal]

Beel just gives a lot of extra finishing power if they're not dead to the first Orchis.

Great card for both puppets and destruction.

My portal deck is 58k. Not cheap but significantly cheaper than Dragon.

[fading echo]

i haven't played puppets at all i've been trying to get better at eggs but i'll probably play some after gm

[umbral seal]

There's honestly not much "getting better" when it comes to eggs

It's hard to get good at drawing at least 2 of your 6 cards in order to win

1 egg is not enough. 2 is workable and 3 is ideal.

[fading echo]

puppets have more straightforward lethals than eggs with eggs you can really do some shit especially when it comes to controlling egg colors for later turns

[umbral seal]

Still hate playing it, though

Perhaps. I just don't see the point of playing a harder deck when it doesn't have better performance on average.

It's not like Roach Forest imo.

[fading echo]

it's just fun doing small puzzles here and there with eggs it's like artifact but with less commitment since you can't uncraft artifacts

but a third egg generator would be great getting eggs now is still the same as ramping before zoey

also i like that eggs have a lot of healing potential because you can sometimes just tank all sword evos

dunno how puppets deal with current loot though since i didn't play them yet

[umbral seal]

A 3rd egg generator would just be dead later on in the game's life. It makes more sense to make a card that fishes for spells.

[fading echo]

yeah axia fanfare should have been drawing a low cost spell

that way there would be more incentive to drop her early

[mystic tartan]

Just cuckblocked a dude with evo abyss

Using Zooey kek

[cursive crypt]

Part of why the game feels so much better is because u don't lose to cock climb anymore tbh

I would be chillin and having a blast and suddenly I lose to cock climb and my mood went down

Even if it only happened 1 in 20 games it would feel super bad

[fading echo]

for me that was just fighting crest haven getting them low hp and then they just heal 10 hp for 2 mana with no crest to punish later

[cursive crypt]

True that as well lol

Haven doesn't heal all that much anymore

And imo rune has toned down on the healing as well

[warped granite]

So meta good boys?

[cursive crypt]

For now

Midrange decks are more viable now than last season

Aggro is still ass cause we have ward haven

[umbral seal]

Define good. I played through every set so far.

If you play this set enough, you'll just get annoyed by the next new thing, imo.

[warped granite]

Shorter games than last patch?

[umbral seal]

Storm sword and loot sword are aggro decks

And very viable

[umbral seal]

That is entirely dependent on what you're playing

[warped granite]

Is crest haven still alive?

[umbral seal]

Yes.

The nerf didn't kill it. They still run benison

They're just easier to deal with

[warped granite]

That's better already in my book

[mystic tartan]

not many people playing it

its not super broken anymore

[cursive crypt]

Loot sword is loot sword it's in a league of it own among aggro decks

[mystic tartan]

lol yeah its just S+ tier

[cursive crypt]

Storm sword is kinda ass

I do play it though lol

It's still better than Evo sword at least

[mystic tartan]

Storm sword is handchek ing people if they got answer or not

[cursive crypt]

Yeah u do a lot of praying when u play storm sword lol

[mystic tartan]

that 2 drop is annoying tho Mordred

[cursive crypt]

The 3/2?

I've been playing Evo forest and wamdus

[umbral seal]

It's not.

[mystic tartan]

well usually i see both

[cursive crypt]

Evo forest is so ass

[mystic tartan]

the 2/1 and 3/2

[cursive crypt]

Mordred is 3 drop

[umbral seal]

Okay, but it's still an aggro deck. Sword having the only viable aggro decks doesn't change what they are.

[mystic tartan]

oh

nvm

Loot is just more insane cus Zeta Bea man

now they got something to do in 6pp

[cursive crypt]

How if opponent can clear your board for the first 3 turns it's mostly gg

[mystic tartan]

yep

like that 5/4 if its dead

my opponent just surrender

[cursive crypt]

Cause they cannot clear board lol

[mystic tartan]

i killed it twice even

using valse

[cursive crypt]

They can't afford to answer a board

[mystic tartan]

oh nvm

green djeeta

my goat

[cursive crypt]

Only with valse yea

[mystic tartan]

5 damage random

and it delete his 5/4

i was lucky

1/3 chance

[cursive crypt]

I would ff as well it's over already anyway

What have u been playing Mr ordine

[mystic tartan]

im playing mostly Dragon

with few Abyss or Dirt Rune

[cursive crypt]

Smh always hopping on tier 1 decks

[mystic tartan]

well aint no way im playing Forest

[cursive crypt]

Tbh abyss felt ass to me too idk

[mystic tartan]

also im already overdosed

on Loot Sword

[cursive crypt]

Try Evo sword

[mystic tartan]

yeah evo abyss is okayeg

its good against loot tho

cus u just heal heal heal

while they waste resources

[cursive crypt]

Wdym just don't play minions

[mystic tartan]

[cursive crypt]

[mystic tartan]

i already did

its ass

[umbral seal]

Dragon is not tier 1, are you high?

It can feel that way but it's not consistent enough to be tier 1.

[cursive crypt]

Just don't play the 4pp Lego and it'll be good

[mystic tartan]

thats where the fun is tho

ESPADA GALAXIA

[umbral seal]

Evo Sword is not good even if you cut Seofon

[cursive crypt]

I think it's up there if not tier 1 then it's the closest to tier1

[umbral seal]

You don't play the deck and I've played Dragon more than anyone here. Across both games.

It's tier 2, because it gets dumpstered by aggro.

Even non aggro decks can play aggressively to punish you for ramping.

If you do ramp, you can blow out opponents before they can get going. Not guaranteed. If you don't ramp, it's usually a loss.

[cursive crypt]

Just draw your 2 drops

I mean ramping once a game is basically guaranteed nowadays

I haven't checked what people think about the tiers so far tho

[mystic tartan]

just lost to Mode Abyss

[cursive crypt]

I think it's safe to say loot sword and earth rune is tier tho

Puppet and dragon tier 2

[umbral seal]

More likely but no

[cursive crypt]

I mean before Zoey got introduced I would say it was normal to not have a ramp but now if you don't have one before turn 6 I think u just bricked

[umbral seal]

Going from 6 to 9 is an improvement but not enough to ensure ramp. The magic number has always been 12

[mystic tartan]

dragon is so ass

against sword

[mystic tartan]

i beat a loot sword using dragon

[umbral seal]

Can be difficult if you can't out-race them.

[mystic tartan]

bro i was hella lucky

Gilne saved my ass

i didnt ramp a single time

[umbral seal]

Winning with no ramp is very lucky.

[mystic tartan]

yeah luckily i got 2nd

so i can +pp genesis

if not im cooked

[umbral seal]

Even against something like sword, you tend to want liu feng since she's not a tempo loss. Dragon sign is.

[mystic tartan]

also im adding raging lightning again

so many aggro bs

[umbral seal]

I like raging lightning, and it was in an earlier version of the deck, but I'm not sure what you plan on cutting.

[mystic tartan]

i cut lyra

also genesis only 1

my only draw mechanic is gran djeeta now

[umbral seal]

Don't agree but you do you

Destruction portal, evo abyss and evo rune are the reasons why my list runs 2 genesis

[cursive crypt]

Not many ward units so genesis is honestly pretty good rn

Can hit face vs most classes cause they don't run many ward units

[mystic tartan]

1 is enough for me

[cursive crypt]

Idk I actually really like genesis since u get to 10pp fast enough most games

[mystic tartan]

all i see is a sea of sword

[cursive crypt]

I only played a bit of the meta dragon deck tho and dropped to oblivion trying Evo dragon

I'm chilling below 1500 with Evo forest

[mystic tartan]

i also finally meet storm sword

god its strong against dragon

[cursive crypt]

Ye dragons weakness is dying before turn 6

[mystic tartan]

yep

[umbral seal]

Why not just play Roach? Decent against a lot of these control/midrange decks

Just dodge haven

[mystic tartan]

this class is ass against people that just hit face

[umbral seal]

Do you think I dodged sword players during my climb to beyond?

[cursive crypt]

Nah I got bored of roach already also bad matchup vs dragon, sword, and puppets

[umbral seal]

It's winnable

[mystic tartan]

like if u dont get whale its literally joever

[cursive crypt]

Oh yea haven too

[mystic tartan]

difficult

of course winnable but its hard

[cursive crypt]

If I'm mostly playing vs rune and abyss I would prolly be drowned in CR with roach

[mystic tartan]

Zeta Bea too is so cringe

its actually so good 4pp when playing 1st turn

[cursive crypt]

It's pretty good if you coin it too

[mystic tartan]

of course

[cursive crypt]

Is the standard loot sword list cutting zirconia completely now?

Sword has so many good cards they cut one of the best 4 drop in the game

[mystic tartan]

yeah

Zirconia is just cus u got better cards to use

Zeta Bea , Congregant

Tablet

atleast 2 tablet

also 2 tentacle bite

personally

[cursive crypt]

I played loot sword only to 1850 last season hut already kinda tired of it

[mystic tartan]

reached beyond with it and gm3

im already overdosed

[cursive crypt]

Tablet makes that deck so good

Without it it's actually trash lol

[mystic tartan]

yeah lmao

its actually insane

[cursive crypt]

Crazy how sword only needs one of each card

To win

Cause each card does a bazillion face damage

[mystic tartan]

its already good

now the addition with Zeta Bea

yeah man

holy

[cursive crypt]

One new card is all it needed

[mystic tartan]

bruh i just meet a triple zooey

enhance

i won cus i got triple norman cockblock

[cursive crypt]

That's not funny bro

I felt his pain

[mystic tartan]

bro me too

literally lose to norman cus i cant clear golems

[mystic tartan]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Shadowverse/comments/1oo10ax/i_cant_with_this_new_expansion_need_your_help_guys/

forest

[brisk adder]

Roach?

[mystic tartan]

nah i dont think its roach

kek

[brisk adder]

What?

[mystic tartan]

prob evo forest

(its ass)

[mystic tartan]

Wilnas my goat

[fading echo]

puppet is better at dealing with sword because you can rush back and kill them

also you do a board like this and the sword players just leave

good shesh today only lost the portal mirror because i was playing egg and the other guy was playing puppet

[mystic tartan]

man Sword is my nemesis

this set

[mystic tartan]

Zoeey Cinema

[mystic tartan]

my goat miss lethal using sword

[brisk adder]

https://youtu.be/2-sOjUwRwDM?si=FWrJ_6IMsScNU9s3

[fading echo]

I like this youtube channel but sometimes they put lists i wouldn't use like puppet without wired assault or egg without wired/stone breaker

You get farmed by board floods

Especially before sylvia gets online

[mystic tartan]

my wr against sword is so bad

[fading echo]

Are you on dragon

[umbral seal]

You really don't need wired assault

If anything, you should be running divine thunder so you don't lose to stealth valse

I've been bouncing between epic and ultimate with puppets but the deck is busted right now

Stone breaker is alright but not mandatory

Also, these aren't his lists. They're literally from beyond players

If you think yours is better, hit Beyond and share with the class

Although the core of certain decks is so strong that, assuming you play optimally most of the time, you can still hit Beyond even with questionable tech options

[umbral seal]

Ain't this a livestreamer?

[red plover]

people stream this game?

[fading echo]

+1 complainer about portal being broken even though it was all gilnelise

[umbral seal]

Dragon is tier 2. So is Mode. Not sure what the Minecraft photo means.

Would probably push Roach down to tier 3 at this point. Still powerful in the hands of a skilled player in a tournament but there's too many bad match ups on ladder

[mystic tartan]

man fuck Sword

[umbral seal]

Loot Sword might need a small nerf but I'm not sure where.

Increasing Sinciro's cost, maybe.

Would give decks like dragon one extra turn, which is a lot

[mystic tartan]

me when my hp is 12

and theres Octrice crest

with Sinciro in hand

[umbral seal]

It's why I run two Gil's. I don't run more defense than that because Zooey also buys you time

While still dealing damage

People have asked me about including Neptune or cutting Forte/Odin, not understanding the power of redundancy.

You want all the storm units in the deck because it makes your gameplan more consistent

You don't win most games by being reactive, unless you're a potent control deck like haven.

[mystic tartan]

yeah i rarely pulled Gil got 2 in deck
honestly if not for Zeta Bea my wr prob will increase against Sword

that unit is just insane

[mystic tartan]

@umbral seal

bro

this Dragon guy

[red plover]

haven most likely wont even be S tier this season

[mystic tartan]

yeah

[red plover]

already switched from ward hybrid back to crests because it just feels better to play

[mystic tartan]

aether got too many counter

[umbral seal]

Bad players alwayas have shit opinions.

[mystic tartan]

well he is master sapphire

[umbral seal]

IMO, updated rankings:

S++: Loot Sword, Puppet Portal (not tier 0, just clearly a cut above the rest)
S+: Evo Abyss, Evo Rune, Crest/Ward Haven, Midrange Abyss
S: Storm Dragon, Storm Sword, Destruction Portal, Hybrid Spellboost, Roach Forest
A: Wamdus Rune, Evo/Midrange Sword, Aggro Abyss
B: Evo Forest, Fennie/Evo Dragon
Deadge: Storm Haven, Artifact Portal, every other Forest deck

[mystic tartan]

Evo Rune is really annoying

they are the best for Sandalphon

like u can clear board with low cost pp

and then Sandalphon

[umbral seal]

Evo Rune has the most consistent auto evolves since 6 of their cards require earth sigils

So you can get sba's and ssba's online very quickly

[mystic tartan]

Edel is so good now

cus shes only 2pp if enhance

[umbral seal]

Even though it's annoying, I find it fair to fight, especially as Dragon.

[mystic tartan]

oh yeah its a close matchup

unlike Dragon vs Sword

unless its Evo Sword which is trash

[umbral seal]

Honestly, I think Evo Sword has potential. That deck plays like a control deck but they need better control tools like Roland.

https://shadowverse-portal.com/card/104241010?lang=en

The new 7 drop they got is very powerful. So is Seofon.

But since their gameplan is slower, they need cards to actually help them live longer.

[mystic tartan]

yeah i tried it

its fun but really lacking something

so ill just wait

Finally

Cus no sword

[umbral seal]

You need to beat sword in order to maintain high cr

[mystic tartan]

yeah aint beating it consistently

unless they bricked which rarely happens

either way im content just chilling

[umbral seal]

I have decided my new goal is rank 1 portal.

[fading echo]

haven player with no board clear got absolutely high rolled on

[red plover]

thats why you play crests instead, such a better matchup against both portal decks

[umbral seal]

Despite shit tier reddit opinions, Haven is not in that great of a spot

[nocturne karma]

@umbral seal has leveled up! (101 ➜ 102)

[umbral seal]

It's a noob stomper

I've started seeing less of them and, coincidentally, more Roach shows up

I'd expect Roach to still be a popular tournament deck since it should be great into evo rune and evo abyss

[mystic tartan]

lol facing puppet he lyra

and fished bub instead of Orchis or Odin

got no pp to summon him

so cant clear my Wilnas

[umbral seal]

I run Sylvia & Lu Woh, personally

[mystic tartan]

yeah prob no Lu Woh

he kinda bricked

[umbral seal]

Lu Woh should only be a 1 of, imo. He's a reactive card that doesn't further puppets' gameplan

But he shuts down Orchis in the mirror

[mystic tartan]

man Dragon is really strong if u somehow survive while ramping

tho this deck really sucks against double Zirco especially if ur 1st

[umbral seal]

Sibyl in sv1 was a ramp body that also healed for 3

[mystic tartan]

damn

[umbral seal]

But I don't think they'll re-print her

[mystic tartan]

[umbral seal]

Personally, I think the devs are over balancing Dragon but I'm biased.

[mystic tartan]

[mystic tartan]

wamdus rune is funny man

lol

[brisk adder]

survive sword

[mystic tartan]

[umbral seal]

Portal mirrors everywhere

[blissful olive]

i wanna try new rune

but i cant because its all anyone plays rune and haven

[umbral seal]

"can't" - other people playing a meta deck does not physically stop you from doing the same.

Haven has already fallen off a cliff, in terms of popularity

ER Rune is still going strong, however.

[blissful olive]

nah man

[umbral seal]

This is probably the most diverse the meta has been, outside of Forest probably needing a buff. If you don't like this meta, I don't think there's a meta you will like.

[blissful olive]

mirror matches are cringe af

[umbral seal]

Mirror matches are interesting, and I encounter them frequently as I'm playing Portal.

Just like any other match up, there are small nuances that need to be learned in order to improve your w/r

[blissful olive]

[umbral seal]

If you truly wanted to avoid mirrors, you'd play Forest, as they're virtually extinct right now. Dragon is unpopular, mostly because the best deck is absurdly expensive.

Every other class sees a moderate amount of play.

Portal, Rune & Sword being at the top of that list, with midrange/evo abyss not being far behind at all.

[blissful olive]

i heard someone say that izuda is the worst card in the izuda deck now lol

[mystic tartan]

just play Dragon nevia

its somewhat decent now

[umbral seal]

"just", assuming he can make the deck.

[mystic tartan]

well except against Loot Sword

[umbral seal]

Mine is 94k vials

[mystic tartan]

[blissful olive]

i have everything

[mystic tartan]

dragon can handle it all

[blissful olive]

to craft the cards from this set only took like 14k vials for dragon

was missing garyu and zooey

[umbral seal]

Surprised you didn't pull at least 1 zooey from what you saved

[blissful olive]

noe but i got wilnas instead so its fine

[umbral seal]

Also, I'm sure people will be wanting loot sword to see nerfs but I don't think people realize it's the only aggro deck that's meta. Midrange abyss is the next best thing since pure aggro abyss doesn't have enough firepower (no cerb)

Like loot sword is what's keeping greedier decks in check, and IMO, that's a good thing even though I do think it's slightly overtuned

[blissful olive]

aggro basically hasnt changed

its not good enough anymore

[umbral seal]

Aggro abyss got a new 3 drop that's also good in mode

But it's not enough to make it better than tier 3

It can steamroll dragon and maybe haven if they can kill them before they build their wall.

It's pretty bad against evo rune, evo abyss, can't outrace loot sword nor midrange abyss and might have a chance against mode

However, abyss is the only class that has 3 different archetypes seeing a moderate amount of play at the highest levels. Portal has 2. Rune technically has 2. Hybrid spellboost fell off in popularity but it's honestly not a bad deck in this meta.

[blissful olive]

oh btw

is this just a meme deck

this vas shit i seen ppl trying to play?

[mystic tartan]

what vas

[blissful olive]

vaseraga

[mystic tartan]

thats meme

its not that great

[umbral seal]

It's not.

[mystic tartan]

it is

i played against it

its a meme

not even that great

[umbral seal]

You're objectively wrong, though. It's a personal choice between undead soldier & vaseraga in the 6 slot. Both can be better or worse depending on the situation.

[mystic tartan]

yeah im not a believer

[umbral seal]

Undead soldier doesn't auto lose to Odin but it's not that hard to clear either

Vaseraga is significantly harder to remove if you don't have odin or beel.

[blissful olive]

i def need to change this shit lol decks 2 old

gonna look around for something else on that 1site

[mystic tartan]

cut the shark

[blissful olive]

for what lol

[mystic tartan]

u need azurifirit

and genesis

[blissful olive]

huh

[umbral seal]

Nope.

I've ran the shark for awhile. It's good in certain match ups.

Just because it wasn't in my beyond list doesn't mean it's a bad card

[mystic tartan]

idk i cut it

and i dont feel the change

in my deck

[blissful olive]

shark wins clutch sometimes thats the only reason its there

[umbral seal]

I wouldn't say you're a good deck builder either

[blissful olive]

liek running tentacles in sword

[umbral seal]

Also, several midrange abyss lists with Vas have hit beyond

Just saying