Shadowverse

[blissful olive]

yeah wilnas doesnt seem that good

[mystic tartan]

wilnas gonna be good

[umbral seal]

No, Wilnas is the best card that's been revealed so far

[mystic tartan]

in take 2

[umbral seal]

7 cost, remove 3, intimidate

I don't think this is enough to make dragon broken but the card, despite being boring, is good

[mystic tartan]

i like the 5 cost spell more Yoink

[blissful olive]

[mystic tartan]

truly dragon is the meme

[umbral seal]

Having banish in Dragon is alright but it's worse than lightning blast

More often than not, you won't have time to play whatever you're stealing in a real game

[mystic tartan]

yeah prob for shit like Vera or Wilbert aka Haven
hate haven

[umbral seal]

Problem is, I'd just rather run Odin to kill them faster

And if you're trying to fit both, you'll run into deck building issues

[mystic tartan]

Dragon

[umbral seal]

If literally any ramp is revealed, Dragon will be saved.

Otherwise, trash tier again

[mystic tartan]

yeah surely the other lego gonna be good

[blissful olive]

vira is probably gonna be annoying

no oguri or direct removal she will be a huge bitch lol

[umbral seal]

I don't know why Vira is in Haven

Could've sworn she was a blood card

[mystic tartan]

Mireille & Risette, Hardship Journey
5-Cost Runecraft Follower

Fanfare: Summon a [Mireille & Risette, Hardship Journey], Earth Rite (2) - Evolve both followers.

[fading plinth]

Could not resolve English data for searches: mireille & risette, hardship journey

[mystic tartan]

Zooey, Friend of the World
5-Cost Dragoncraft Follower

Fanfare: Gain +1 max play point.
Enhance (10) - Gain Storm, change your leader maximum defense to 1, and until the end of your opponent turn "Reduce all damage to your leader to 0"

@umbral seal @warped granite

wtf is this

[red plover]

well it is another ramp card

[mystic tartan]

yeah

[red plover]

very unlikely play but imagine chaining these into each other

at 10

[warped granite]

She was light in the og game I suppose

Anyways that's kinda interesting

Zooey can save 1 turn for setup

Or 3 turns

[red plover]

gonna be nice against rune too

or anything that sets up to kill you in one turn

[mystic tartan]

Vyrn, Beloved Partner
2-Cost Neutral Follower

Fanfare: If you've unlocked super-evolution, evolve this follower.

[brisk adder]

Wow a 2 mana 4/4 turn 6

[umbral seal]

It's actually comical how bad this take is

Zooey will be 3x in every dragon deck

[red plover]

its just a funny play

[umbral seal]

Ramp with a body is very good

The enhance is otk protection

[umbral seal]

I might actually play this set now

[mystic tartan]

[umbral seal]

I was going to skip but Zooey should push dragon to tier 2. Wilnas is also very good even if you don't ramp into him

An early Wilnas is very difficult to remove, though

Most hard removal doesn't come online until t5/t6, and you're often spending your entire turn doing so

Best answer to Wilnas is a counter Wilnas or Odin if they didn't ramp into it

[mystic tartan]

Siete, Leader of the Eternals
4-Cost Swordcraft Follower
Fanfare: Skybound Art - Evolve all unevolved allied followers on the field.
Super Skybound Art: Super-evolve them instead.

[umbral seal]

Obvious synergy with Gildaria on t10 but his viability really depends on how reliable the sba strat is

[mystic tartan]

yeah really need to see more cards

[umbral seal]

The other issue is that the sba strat for sword is much slower than loot. Or even classic midrange.

Spamming strong boards turn after turn is something sword is already inherently good at

Without relying on brickable sba's

[blissful olive]

this tweet about a nerf

got 8m views

shits the most popular fukin thing about SV lmao

[fading echo]

what's the point of reducing the hp to 1 if we can't kill

[fading echo]

pretty sure after the fest disaster this card interacting with crest haven is the reason a bunch of people quit

[red plover]

so that pretty much anything kills them after the effect runs out

[fading echo]

i thought the reduction was only until the end of the turn too

my bad

[gritty anvil]

lol this byitself for just 5 mana is good enough

[blissful olive]

Zooey basically buys u a tur

[gritty anvil]

unconditonal ramp and with solid body for 5

[blissful olive]

Very strong tbh

[fading echo]

i played a deck that did something like that in sv1 iirc but when they play that card they also win the game so it doesn't matter

[gritty anvil]

and that ehnance could be also good in some situations for example if u already dying this give u one more chance

but ye using that from 20 hp would be suicide lol

[red plover]

20 hp might as well be 1 hp against some decks

[gritty anvil]

actually zoey is cracked if u chain her

for 10

that can fuck over roach pretty hard

[red plover]

as long there arent any wards yea

[gritty anvil]

well roach got any wards ?

[red plover]

I meant in general but yea

[gritty anvil]

but ye againts other decks ye they can stop u with wards

but ye shes very strong card

its the first ramp thats not overcosted and dont need any evo

[red plover]

wonder how common chaining her is at 10 since you wanna use her for ramp

[gritty anvil]

ye i mean u pretty much always want to play her for 5 unless u close to 10 already

but ye its possible to play around her on 5 if u go wider

she can remova only 1

[red plover]

cant wait for people to cry when dragon giga ramps against them

[gritty anvil]

i think shes still pretty balanced

[red plover]

well if you dragonsign into her then thats already trouble

but yea I dont think its busted or anything

just playing against dragon when they are so far ahead is something

[gritty anvil]

yes but remember dragon always gonna be kinda handicapped because super evo not gonna unlock until later

but for like cockytus

it could be strong yes

did they showed

second dragon lego

[red plover]

that was the 2nd one

[gritty anvil]

what was first

[gritty anvil]

eh

thats kind ass

if this was split

it would be really good

split 8 dmg between enemies

i mean sometimes this can technically win the game

if it survive one turn

[red plover]

yea not the easiest card to remove, especially if you play this ramped up but still not great

[gritty anvil]

dragon lacks 7 cost

so thats something

[blissful olive]

ngl dragon mommy is way better than him

[umbral seal]

The enhance is very situational. Her primary purpose will be ramp. Filene can already disrupt combos/some otks if necessary

[umbral seal]

They don't. Neptune is extremely strong at 7 but I'd replace her with Wilnas because Wilnas is more likely to win the game outright if you ramp into him

This isn't the case with Neptune

She's strong but her purpose is recovering/surviving. Not winning the game.

I don't think replacing Merman with Izmir is correct

[gritty anvil]

yes neptune cant really win games she pretty much always gets removed thats very rare case she survived or enough orcas to be dangerous for oponent

shes defensive option and he offensive

forte into him seems pretty strong

even rune would have kinda hard time remove him with storm blast

because if u evo him he has 8 hp

pretty early in game if u ramp

its funny that hes perfect counter for himself

like if u face mirror hes perfect removal

for him

[umbral seal]

I do think he's a boring card but anyone saying he's weak is wrong. Comparing him to Valse is also wrong because most dragon cards are designed with a ramp tax in mind

If he was 6 pp, he would be broken.

Hm, 5 would make more sense than 6 since 6 wouldn't change how early you could play him unless you had double dragon sign going 2nd

[blissful olive]

i hate these dailies man

fuck off cygames lol

[red plover]

could just aggro into the 10 hp npc decks if you really wanted

[blissful olive]

damn lyria pre good

demonic tutor for beilial lol

but still needs turn 8

[mystic tartan]

ye

[gritty anvil]

lyria seems good in dragon

tutoring 1 neptune and one coc

triple lyria

can play hyper coc deck

[umbral seal]

I have no idea why you're so insistent on such a weak version of dragon.

[gritty anvil]

why weak

i mean dragon now got acces to more ramp

lyria and more ramp can make coc dragon more consistent i dont know if its best dragon version tho

[umbral seal]

Zooey is not going to make a cocytus focused dragon deck good unless it's the otk version.

You get your hopes up every set for no reason but feel free to try.

[gritty anvil]

well zooey is there mainly for 5 mana ramp not for 10

i dont know if im even gonna play i have no rupies i didnt play like 3 weeks

[umbral seal]

Stalling with the enhance is actually the best use case in an otk deck. Rather than the aggro version.

[gritty anvil]

i mean ye chaining her is pretty strong but her ramp can be useful too

[umbral seal]

Since 2 neutral golds were revealed here, I'm assuming bahamut is coming.

https://shadowverse-portal.com/card/125041010?lang=en

[mystic tartan]

[mystic tartan]

https://shadowverse-wb.com/en/cards/pack/skybound-dragons/

Out

Only 1 neutral Lego kek

[gritty anvil]

what craft gonna be strongest u think

[mystic tartan]

Honestly

Haven i think

[gritty anvil]

lol

well haven haters not gonna be happy

[mystic tartan]

Both Galleon and Vira is insano lego

[gritty anvil]

well atleast now dragon can more consistently get coc

vs haven

[mystic tartan]

Ye

[gritty anvil]

more ramp and tutor

or fennie

but haven

have even more wards rn ?

correct

haven

they got that 3 mana 5/5 ward

[mystic tartan]

Yes

Well gotta play tomorrow to find out

If sword is good or nah

[gritty anvil]

wtf is that silver haven

4/15 ?

for 6 ?

with ward

thats kinda nuts stat line for that mana

[mystic tartan]

Lmao

[gritty anvil]

but i guess wilbert

is still more

but that card is completely bonkers for take 2

wtf

it has even good evo

i dont even know whats skybound art lol

what it does ?

[blissful olive]

evolve a bunch to activate it = new fanfare stuff

think its 8 evos

[gritty anvil]

wut

8 evos ?

and it needs to be on your hand ?

or during entire game

[red plover]

its 10 for normal skybound art and 15 for super

its the sum from number of turns and evolutions

thats why most things are evolution themed

pretty sure you dont need the card in hand otherwise youre never gonna get it

its probably gonna be a gauge somewhere

[gritty anvil]

wait

does ramping count into it ?

[red plover]

its amount of turns so pretty sure it doesnt

[gritty anvil]

oh its turns

not play ppoints

15 is a lot tho

[red plover]

like when it says turn 5 etc

otherwise ramp would just get it instantly

well a lot of cards give you evos now

so its easier to reach

[gritty anvil]

so basically if some card say 5 mana fanfare skybound art u never gettin that off on 5

pretty much

like katalina

[red plover]

yea, hard to get 3 evos by turn 5

[gritty anvil]

that effect is for later

[red plover]

ramp might though

[gritty anvil]

3 evos ?

u need more no ?

u said u need 10

for normal skybound

in total

that mean 5 turn

• 5 evos

[red plover]

oh yea 10, for some reason I had 8 in my head again because it was said earlier

[gritty anvil]

man that kinda whack mechanic

ngl

basically only slow decks gonna benefit from it

[red plover]

well it should be late game because some of those effects are pretty strong

[gritty anvil]

that one dragon one

super skybound art

8 10 atk

gets storm

but 15 is ridiculous

[red plover]

well thats basically online at around 10 turns though

by then you will have used most evos and probably some free evos from the new cards

[gritty anvil]

i mean that could technically be better than genesis kinda

right

its only 1 atk less

and its cheaper

• it has also effect on evo

[red plover]

well its more damage for sure

but doubt youre gonna play it on curve with super

[gritty anvil]

no not curve

im saying

genesis cost 10 mana

but on turn 10

u can play this new card for 8

with storm ?

if u spended enough evo

[red plover]

yea

just need one exta evo from something else

[gritty anvil]

well

liu feng

automatically evo in overflow

[red plover]

anything works

that new 5 drop also looks good

ramp into it for 3 aoe and evolve

at least it looks decent to me, with dragon having an easier time to ramp now

[mystic tartan]

ill just play tomorrow

and find out

[red plover]

well first day is gonna be chaos anyway

gonna be fun seeing non crest haven decks since theres some decent cards in there

[mystic tartan]

yeah storm haven might be back

[brisk adder]

How?

Amulet storm?

[mystic tartan]

amulet give free evo

we'll see

im not a haven main

[brisk adder]

I'm thinking of ward btw

[gritty anvil]

haven gonna be crest ward haven hybrid

ye galleon is literally perfect pull with aether

u basically play aether super evo and u get one free evo from galleon at the end of turn and if u dont remove her she gonna keep evolving stuff

[brisk adder]

Yeah she's a must remove

She's gonna be tanky too

The 4 cost card engage give 10 health tho

[gritty anvil]

also that 1 mana remova is nuts now with these tanky ass low cost stuff

u can do 16 dmg into something for 1 mana

well not like u need that much dmg

into one target

but still

its kinda cracked combo with 3 mana 5/5 for 6

if played from hand

[umbral seal]

Bait.

[umbral seal]

Probably not what I'm going to be playing but this is what I would do if I was going for an evolve deck.

[umbral seal]

Definitely playing the storm version instead, without Mugen

Gran & Djeeta is a very good card for aggro decks, though

[mystic tartan]

ngl this self evolve shit is ass

[red plover]

that 3 cost 5/4 sword follower seems insane

[mystic tartan]

its literally gg if u dont have answer to it

[red plover]

and if you do answer it then you also need to answer zirconia, so its 2 checks

[umbral seal]

It's only insane because it's in Sword

Honestly should've been a portal card if anything.

[umbral seal]

It is. I'll post a competitive dragon deck in a bit.

[mystic tartan]

[fading echo]

nonsense portal doesn't get good cards

it should be for anything else

[umbral seal]

https://shadowverse-wb.com/web/Image/deck?hash=2.4.cJSg.cJl6.cJl6.cJl6.ciMG.ciMG.ciMG.cibu.cibu.cibu.cic2.cic2.cic2.cwl-.cwl-.cwl-.cxFE.cxFE.cxFE.d4KU.d4KU.d4KU.d4X8.d4X8.d4X8.d50E.d50E.d50E.dSk-.dSk-.dSk-.dTQu.dTQu.dhqc.dhqc.drrE.drrE.drrO.drrO.drrO&lang=en

Will basically function the same as the previous Storm dragon decks except Zooey means you'll be able to more reliably play Garyu on your 1st super evo turn.

[gritty anvil]

isnt he kinda busted ?

[blissful olive]

not really?

he can do 10 to the board if it can hit leader too than it has potential

[umbral seal]

"random enemy" - yes, this includes the leader.

We have many such examples of this wording.

That said, I still don't think he's good.

[mystic tartan]

Yeah i think its meh

[cursive crypt]

Idk how invoke works exactly

If you have 3 copies still in the deck do they all just come out all at once or one for each of the next 3 turns?

Or only once a game?

[red plover]

only one per turn

[umbral seal]

Invoke on Sandy is pretty worthless because you want him in hand before he's invoked

Since his invoke cost is 6 evos

[red plover]

but his invoke puts him in your hand anyway or what do you mean

[umbral seal]

You need to evolve 6 times before his invoke activates. His ssba timer still needs to be discounted after those 6 evos.

Now, if you're running multiple copies, you can just hope to have one in hand

[red plover]

ah yea, for the ssba effect you want him in hand

[mystic tartan]

server looks fucked

cus the update

lul

yeah man

gege

[umbral seal]

I think I may need to cut Liu Feng from my aggro dragon deck

[mystic tartan]

my sword goat is playing SV1 cus of this

wtf

[umbral seal]

It's up?

[mystic tartan]

MT again

cus server

[umbral seal]

Did everyone fall back to Master?

[mystic tartan]

yeah

saw a JP streamer

from GM3 to Master

[umbral seal]

Noted. Back to the grind then.

[fading echo]

the portal goat is running a bunch of neutral cards because they help more than the new portal cards but at least there's help

[mystic tartan]

loot is just loot with zeta

xdd

Seofon is actually just actually straight garbo

[umbral seal]

Gonna tweak my dragon deck after some playtesting

[mystic tartan]

Siete is good with magus tho

[umbral seal]

Amelia + Magus is better and less conditional

Siete is bait

[mystic tartan]

i mean Siete only good if opponent resource already spent

[gritty anvil]

wait i though that invoke summon him from library to hand no ?

if u evo 6 times no ?

[umbral seal]

Correct, and then you need to discount him again for his ssba

As opposed to having him in hand from the start, his ssba would be discounted faster

I feel like I've explained this point clearly, more than once

Crazy animation

Not bad.

Beelzebub ticket too

[mystic tartan]

zamn

nice

[red plover]

but the skybound effects are global meaning you can just use the super effect instantly at turn 15, no matter if he was in your hand or you just drew him

unless you mean something else that is

[mystic tartan]

looks like loot is just still the best for sword

[umbral seal]

Do you think playing for turn 15 is a viable strategy?

Even Crest Haven doesn't do that. It can kill you faster than that.

I'm aware of their baseline timers. If you are playing around that, that is a bad deck.

[red plover]

if the evolves only count when the cards are only in your hand then it makes the whole gimmick worse than I thought

[red plover]

ah strange that the turns always count but the evos only in hand

[umbral seal]

That is exactly how it works

It's like spellboost

[red plover]

yea thats pretty bad then, the turns always counting made me assume the same for the evolves, makes this mechanic way worse then

[fading echo]

super sky whatever is another archetype missing cards

[umbral seal]

Killed a portal player from 20 hp after I evo'd Wilnas

He couldn't clear. 10 + raging lightning + forte = gg

[mystic tartan]

lol

[cursive crypt]

lol

first 20 packs i got one

[mystic tartan]

ill just pray i got Galleon

[blissful olive]

oh shits out huh

guess ima open packs dont think ima play rn tho

[mystic tartan]

i just want galleon and im satisfied

hopefully later

[blissful olive]

the ticket?

[mystic tartan]

yeah

so far not good

just dont give me males

[cursive crypt]

i think belial is cool tho

well better tghan the guy from BP and diawl

[mystic tartan]

i got my love

Cerberus

[umbral seal]

I got Galleon, Lu Woh, Beel

[gritty anvil]

gayge

[gritty anvil]

where are your tickets ?

[mystic tartan]

they got me

got too much

[brisk adder]

any cooks?

[umbral seal]

Think I need to swap to Fennie. Evo Abyss is very strong.

They can kill you with Belial or Sandy while stalling very well

[umbral seal]

For?

[brisk adder]

sword

i can craft the haven deck anytime

i just need sandalphon and galeon 3 of them

[blissful olive]

im ngl

i just opened about 50 packs but i felt so bored doing it lol

[mystic tartan]

yeah evo abyss is strong

[mystic tartan]

sword is just loot

[cursive crypt]

wym if u open that many just skip them

[mystic tartan]

with zeta bea

[fading echo]

The egg goat cut odin from the deck so i assume people are copying him

[brisk adder]

already got a deck

but only for haven

[fading echo]

I'll make one that keeps odin to deal with bullshit that's hard to clear

[mystic tartan]

im still testing too

[brisk adder]

sword got alot of shit

gran card is strong

[mystic tartan]

well if u want midrange

but that its ass

yean gran djeeta is strong

[brisk adder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-X1faCG_ZU

gonna play his deck

he doesnt have vira in his deck

yeah sure bro

[fading echo]

I watched a game where the guy was 4pp and dragon was 8pp already

[brisk adder]

shit is peaking while md is dogshitting

[red plover]

probably the best pack I ever opened

[fading echo]

Nice

[brisk adder]

i always skip

[red plover]

skipping

[fading echo]

I already crafted my egg deck since it's just neutral cards anyway

[mystic tartan]

let me see

[brisk adder]

i see

yeah its kinda buffed because of the 9 cost

[fading echo]

I can post when i go on break can't launch games at work or the boomers will get uppity again

[mystic tartan]

bro dragon is kinda eh

idk what to play

[brisk adder]

dragon is always eh

same shit

ramp go go big guys

[mystic tartan]

its absolute ass

im getting destroyed

[brisk adder]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Shadowverse/comments/1oj434z/evo_portal_is_awful_but_this_made_me_laugh_so/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

bro cant read

[mystic tartan]

i just got 3rd checked

the fucking 5/4 sword

[fading echo]

From what I've seen i think you kinda need to fennie to abuse the better ramp curve

[mystic tartan]

damn

[fading echo]

Cus the people i saw they ramp they play those big ass high cost card and that's about it if you clear the cards the cycle just repeats

I think you gotta play two broken cards with the high cost to push the advantage just one is clearable by a bunch of decks

Just put Zoey in the old fennie dragon deck and it should be good to go or make a ramp storm like pip

[mystic tartan]

I DID IT

ZOOEY THE BEST

[fading echo]

Oguri capu

[mystic tartan]

bro lu woh is ass

lul

[fading echo]

All the portal cards are ass

[mystic tartan]

yeah midrange is great

if u dont put seofon

[fading echo]

Maharu is just running bubs

[mystic tartan]

gran djeeta is actually strong af

everyone running it

[fading echo]

This

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1061742045565308989/1433051531833511956/image.png?ex=690348bd&is=6901f73d&hm=3045fdb4bd76ba1e49beb76a84b36c53c7d801c2d827f66990a0d5c09e8e2ed2&

Is the one maharu is running

[mystic tartan]

[fading echo]

With that lyra will always draw bubs but you don't have odin to clear bullshit

So it's a trade off you're kinda fucked to clear intimidade if you're forced to use the lishenna spells when you drop her

I guess you don't have to bring him if you can save evos to use sylvia to clear bs

[mystic tartan]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/G3kNg3gXMAAVa8b.gif

[fading echo]

Yeah i changed my mind saving evos for sylvia is a decent replacement for odin it's better for the deck to be as trimmed as possible

[mystic tartan]

nvm

midrange sucks ass

no real wincon

[fading echo]

Midrange what

Dragon?

[mystic tartan]

sword

loot is just better

tablet is just so much better

[fading echo]

Tablet is the goat

[gritty anvil]

lol abyss strong again

[cursive crypt]

i beat the shit outtta abyss with earth rune

lilanthim is the goat

[fading echo]

When you settle with a fennie deck can you post here my noob friend wants to play dragon

[mystic tartan]

yeah evo abyss is legit

alright this shit is strong

[blissful olive]

really?

whats ur list look like i havent touched the game since this morning

and are u talking about belial ?

[mystic tartan]

yes belial

bruh i bricked

nvm u can lose

[cursive crypt]

i havent lost a single time to belial

[mystic tartan]

lyra is very good to fish belial

Vira is annoying af

bruh

[blissful olive]

yep

no oguri or direct removal and its like gg

[mystic tartan]

i have to 2 sandalphon

and i got lucky

honestly bane works too

man i think im adding more Mukan

[blissful olive]

can u show me the list ur using

[mystic tartan]

alright after this

just got an insane mukan run

MY GOAT

my least played card is Olivia lmao

Lyria is so good here

u can fish Belial or Fediel

https://www.reddit.com/r/Shadowverse/comments/1oja5ic/when_you_want_to_draw_the_victory_card_but_the/

@umbral seal

brooo

[fading echo]

Aggro abyss

[mystic tartan]

meet an izudia forest

[blissful olive]

isnt aggro abyss dead

[fading echo]

Dunno you can definitely make use of the free evo cards for aggro abyss though

[mystic tartan]

bruh haven got more toxic

[blissful olive]

vira?

how many times have u won off belial btw

[mystic tartan]

2 times

[blissful olive]

jesus

so does the deck just suck or is he not really needed?

[mystic tartan]

he needed

to clear board

like Haven ward

Aether

[blissful olive]

right

but hmm

so whats ur other win con cause hes def inconsistent

[mystic tartan]

Sandalphon

[blissful olive]

what

that sounds very concerning

[mystic tartan]

also u heal so much

u need to overrun the board

like evo so much

that ur opponent just cant deal

[blissful olive]

how easy is that lol

[mystic tartan]

its not that bad

its really fun just evo evo xdd

[mystic tartan]

dirt rune is legit now

[mystic tartan]

alright dirt rune shits on belial

[umbral seal]

I just got off work. Gimme 30 mins.

[mystic tartan]

nvm belial is ass

💀

i tried

[cursive crypt]

who up for some games

[fading echo]

same usual dogshit rng turn 7 i get the egg generator

[umbral seal]

Sure.

[cursive crypt]

gimme 5min ill be at the lounge

[fading echo]

still won

i thought bubs was gonna be dogshit but the fact you can just draw him with lyra is great

lyra will help a lot of bad decks draw the win con if you just don't run other cards that go beyond 7 cost

[cursive crypt]

nvm gimme more time this rune guy just healed for 12

[fading echo]

https://streamable.com/k1xxp2 full egg match (no eggs until turn 8 vs mode abyss)

[cursive crypt]

aite im here i'll wait for ur game

[red plover]

they really need to stop reverting the redraw amount every take 2 season

especially after removing all basic cards, which removed havens best storm cards , wonder what they were cooking with that one

[umbral seal]

ggs @cursive crypt

[cursive crypt]

ggs

[umbral seal]

Artifact portal is still ass imo

The first game, I just high rolled

[cursive crypt]

yeah artifact is still too ass

yea u got 10pp on turn 6 or something

[fading echo]

my account is so fucking portal seeded actually can't make this shit up

📈 funds

[umbral seal]

Ramp once, play Wilnas, watch your opponent panic

Habitual bad-take haver @blissful olive actually called this a bad card.

[blissful olive]

which

wilnas? he kinda is like the only thing he does is have intimidate

[umbral seal]

🤦🏾‍♂️

[blissful olive]

u needa relax sis lol

[umbral seal]

I'm perfectly relaxed. I just find this comical.

[blissful olive]

here we go again lol

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn-nine-nine-chelsea-peretti-gina-linetti-clip-clop-horse-gif-3936119

[umbral seal]

I was actually struggling earlier so I checked SV wins for dragon decks. Every single one is running 3 copies of Wilnas.

Bad card, though.

[blissful olive]

hes a fine card man

but hes not breaking the game

[umbral seal]

No one said he's breaking the game? You're changing your argument now.

I've said he's a good card. You said he was a bad card. Now he's fine?

[blissful olive]

no im not u needa stop taking everything everyone says literally

im sorry im not playing ur weird mental gymnastics game today im doing other shit lol

[umbral seal]

Yes, I do expect people to actually mean what they say when they type. That's a reasonable expectation

And it's an expectation I have of everyone.

[umbral seal]

Fought someone who had an insane Wamdus high roll

18/20 with a turn 7 dclimb

[blissful olive]

how did you let this happen lmao

[unkempt lava]

Is dragon good now?

[umbral seal]

Tier 2, imo.

Zooey alone makes every dragon deck significantly more consistent.

Ramping into Wilnas is basically guaranteed damage against most classes. Not all, though.

Gran & Djeeta is super good for any aggro deck.

[blissful olive]

i have seen zooey save lives

[fading echo]

man i watched a youtube of some guy and he swiped to get every single leader in the new pack 🐳

[blissful olive]

amazin

[unkempt lava]

How much free shit will come once half anniversary comes?

[umbral seal]

It's Cygames. How much free shit have they given in this game so far?

[blissful olive]

what are you a comedian ?

[umbral seal]

I'm helping him answer his own question.

Comedy is irrelevant here.

[gritty anvil]

bro

grapplr got 2 tickets in one pack

and they were same

lmao

[unkempt lava]

Havencraft still good?

[gritty anvil]

pretty sure yes

but i think its now hybrid

ward + crest

[unkempt lava]

I'm return

Ok 3 legendary packs 0 new legendary

I have no gold

To pull packs

[mystic tartan]

LeMao

[unkempt lava]

How about dragoncraft? New playpoint gainer zooey?

[mystic tartan]

ye

[unkempt lava]

3 of?

You also need galm chick?

[mystic tartan]

i cut galmieux

but yeah u can still use her

[unkempt lava]

I have 0 copies of galmieux

Was asking if she was a worthy craft. I have 10k vials now

I need more boardwipe?

This should work?

Now havencraft then abyss

[mystic tartan]

nah shes not that important

especially for Fennie deck

my streamer list

tablet op

[unkempt lava]

Isn't wilnas a weaker odin?

[mystic tartan]

no

hes an absolute annoying board

if enemy dont have

removal

[unkempt lava]

If wilnas had banish he compete with odin

Also this expansion feels 10x stronger than previous

[gritty anvil]

depends but usually yes

because odin atleast hit your face wilnas gets removed he doesnt do anything really

he just remove stuff on board which odin can do too

u just need to pray they have no removal for him

[umbral seal]

Bad idea, imo. Needed for ward Haven

[mystic tartan]

I'm adding her already

Cutting that marine guy

And adding djeeta and gran

[umbral seal]

Bad way to look at him. I've had many situations where my opponent could not clear him and he also clears more targets

Every competitive dragon list I've seen runs 3

[mystic tartan]

Yeah i just won a game with 2 wilnas in board

Opponent cant clear

He play midrange sword

[umbral seal]

@unkempt lava

[blissful olive]

sword has no removal yeah

they basically need the board

maybe since vira and wilsnatch are a thing now

phil might make a come back

[umbral seal]

The only problem with Phil is that a lot of decks right now are running into the issue of "too many good cards for a 40 card deck"

Vira is very annoying, though.

[blissful olive]

yeah its very limiting you gotta fit everything perfectly

[mystic tartan]

yeah either banish or bane for vira

[umbral seal]

[mystic tartan]

or continous damage like Sanda

also i add that 5 banish spell

can be clutch

[umbral seal]

Slowly getting closer to a fully animated deck

I think I animate filene or garyu next

Probably filene.

[mystic tartan]

and yeah beningson is ripbozo

[umbral seal]

It's just too expensive now

[mystic tartan]

yep

awkward

but prob for the better as a loot sword

player

getting cucked by it feels worse than coc+dclimb combo

[fading echo]

portal has otk now

[mystic tartan]

portal is legit now

[blissful olive]

portal do look fun

i might make that later still have 100k vial i can prob make 3-4 decks

[mystic tartan]

i already make abyss and dragon

sword is just adding beta zea

lul

[fading echo]

yeah i have all the portal cards already gonna craft the sword deck i think since it's the cheapest

i didn't even pick one of the free decks yet gonna wait to see if any fun decks show up that use one of those legendaries

[blissful olive]

whats the portal otk btw?

u use bubs im guessing then hit with something?

[fading echo]

https://streamable.com/ien2xi

[blissful olive]

oh egg set up

[fading echo]

it looks hard but if you think about chaos legion like it's dclimb it's not that hard

weird it didn't show thumbnail for me let me post again

yep site is bricked

[blissful olive]

ya

[fading echo]

also chaos legion was 2 damage overkill so you can do it with less

like a gilnelise spell if you do it one turn later

[blissful olive]

was this after bubs btw

[fading echo]

just one

[blissful olive]

kk

[fading echo]

so it's doable turn 10 if you setup turn 8 for it

the hardest part is stacking chaos legion tbh requires some lucky gran drops

but it existing as a viable play means you can't get stalled forever by decks that have a milion heals

[blissful olive]

ima play for a lil bit gonna just steal some deck lists

lowkey wanna get back to DNA game is great

hows haven been btw?

they mainly got vira and galleon ya

[mystic tartan]

not S tier for sure

many can kill them

also lacks finisher

they basically dead against portal

[umbral seal]

I'm not complaining but why are her tits so massive?

[mystic tartan]

unless of course portal bricked

[blissful olive]

sounds like havens old problems

no way to close a game out / weak win con

oh were back to masters huh im prob not grinding this shit again lol

[mystic tartan]

i aint playing till gm3

it sucks

[blissful olive]

gonna try a few games of billy and then portal

i made haven but idk if ima like it i played crest even tho its good

it was just so fukin boring

[mystic tartan]

so far Dragon is the most fun

[blissful olive]

i have like

40k vials left i can prob make it

need 3 wil and zooey i think thats it

[fading echo]

just came up with another way to do that otk without stacking chaos legion

4 black eggs on the turn you drop bubs that's 8 damage on your turn you drop the 4pp guy to turn the white eggs black again then 1pp lishenna spell to break him into axia super evo

[mystic tartan]

also Zooey hardcounter izudia and belial

im a victim

[blissful olive]

should change billys to

''lose the game''

[mystic tartan]

and thats because i cant kill Wilnas

he just deal so much damage

[fading echo]

also i tried doing the ruby thing where you jerry and throw coc into the deck with ruby and she pulled him out

confirmed she just pulls the exact same card

[blissful olive]

billy deck def seems whack

[mystic tartan]

yeah fuck Ruby

[blissful olive]

honestly the play might be fuck billy

and just run mid range with the extra evo shit idk

[fading echo]

the card that drops 2 zombies followed up by the free evo guy next turn is hella strong

basically nobody clears that card unless they have a full board already

[blissful olive]

u mean 2 bats right?

[fading echo]

no the 6pp one

[blissful olive]

oh

undead soldier

bubs works vs vira which is cool

since he makes them a normal mob

this si bullying lmao

vira is so good

the banish part of her removal is especially good

[mystic tartan]

is that dirt rune

[blissful olive]

lol

yeah

they were doing the ars magnum shit

[mystic tartan]

yeah he aint beating u

[blissful olive]

is regular old SB still just the play for them?

[mystic tartan]

ive seen many dirt rune

not SB

[blissful olive]

is it actually good tho

[mystic tartan]

also Aether cucks lilanthim

[blissful olive]

or is it good but haven shits on it

[mystic tartan]

its good against belial

atleast

when i played against it

[blissful olive]

i sued marns fucking

banish spell for her lol

[mystic tartan]

[blissful olive]

haven having multiple banish cards now is pre good

and its random target so aura dont matter

i might have fun with this set tbh so far seems alright

it might get cancer later tho who knows

[mystic tartan]

its why people using Raio now

in Dirt Rune

[blissful olive]

lololol

lets go billy

so far portal been most fun for me

[umbral seal]

Gonna be playing abyss myself. Tired of the ward cucks.

[blissful olive]

belial dealing 10 the board is already amazing in of itself

and u can search him easy enough

i also did a play with lyra where i drop her search billy but drop a bunch of smalls on the board then nehan

[umbral seal]

The list I'm running is a mode shell with belial

There are versions that are more all-in on the evo gameplan

[blissful olive]

thats what im doing ye

feels fine so far but im not playing long rn wanna get back to dna

[fading echo]

Yeah the first couple of days are the best then people figure out the new bitch deck and all copy it into making the game boring

Right now is fun though

[blissful olive]

yep

did puppet get any help btw

or is it dead and u just run bubsy3D

[fading echo]

I think puppet runs the new spells to conserve evo points

And bubs for orchis setup

[blissful olive]

right figured ya

u can prob otk or close to it if u have

bubs orchis + cat

[mystic tartan]

because of this set

[fading echo]

Puppet doesn't seem that bad

[mystic tartan]

its so easy to reach turn 10 ngl

cus how much slow

[fading echo]

I'd take chaos legion having no 6 damage upgrade and just costing 4 pp though

[blissful olive]

never seen this before

wtf is that lol

[fading echo]

I've seen people cut eudie from the deck and use that 3pp spell that's like little aragavy

[blissful olive]

bros tryna figure out how to win now lol

seofon seems pre strong

hows forest been so far?

[mystic tartan]

lol hell nah

hes a meme

[blissful olive]

really how ?

he does what nehan does but for 4

[mystic tartan]

he needs skybound art bruh

[blissful olive]

oh rip

nvm he ass

[mystic tartan]

loot sword is just better anyway

[blissful olive]

prob not touching sword this set yeah

[fading echo]

I'm gonna play egg and loot

Later when there's a agreed upon broken rune deck I'll make that too just to keep it updated

Could play puppet too if i come up with a consistent otk setup with lyria+bubs+orchis

[umbral seal]

Bait.

Zeta is very strong, though.

[blissful olive]

yeah egg is pretty fun

[fading echo]

Without lyria it would be super dead but the fact you can fish bubs out of the deck 100% of the time saves the deck

[umbral seal]

I should probably play some portal considering I pulled two beel tickets

[blissful olive]

yeah lyria is super strong

[fading echo]

You could even run her to fish albert out turn 10

[blissful olive]

u cant right

cause hes in the deck as a5 cost

not his enchance

[fading echo]

Oh yeah true

She would just pull odin

Can use her in the og rune to pull satan and kuon out though

Norman dodges her range

[blissful olive]

for kuon yeah tbh pre good

[fading echo]

Can use her to pull cerbies consistently if you cut the 9pp on abyss

[umbral seal]

Building too much around lyria is incorrect unless it occurs naturally (portal)

Dragon doesn't cut any of its high costs while still running lyria

Cutting ginsetsu just to help lyria pull Belial is also incorrect because you'd also have to cut fediel

Reducing her consistency is usually better to not compromise the rest of your deck

[fading echo]

I was thinking more about a last words abyss deck that only runs cerbs for high cost

And lyrias to pull cerb

[umbral seal]

Sounds too memey but feel free to try it

[fading echo]

I'll save that for gm memes i wanna try getting gm diamond this time

[umbral seal]

I'd like to keep playing dragon but Ward Haven has been tilting me

Would have to play Fennie to counter it

[brisk adder]

Any good sword list thats not loot

[umbral seal]

No. You want to play evo sword?

[brisk adder]

lemme see

[umbral seal]

It's playable but I wouldn't call it good

[brisk adder]

i have 3 of the 4 cost legendary

[umbral seal]

Midrange sword is also still alive

But loot is still the best sword deck

[brisk adder]

ill try that too

[brisk adder]

yeah its so good early to late

it will kill you mid game

[fading echo]

[warped granite]

Spell rune unmoved since first patch

[umbral seal]

I think mode is going to move up in a few days and ward haven is going to move down.

Ward Haven stomps midrange & can win against aggro but loses hard against control

[brisk adder]

yeah true

rune fucks me all the time

roach cant never win against ward

unless ward is unlucky

[fading echo]

Unless they just changed it i went there to check decks and rune is a tier with cag s tier

[brisk adder]

nerf loot

holyshit its so strong every parts of the game

[umbral seal]

Loot, in theory, has a weak late game. The problem is that you're usually dead before the game gets to that point

[umbral seal]

Disagree. The placement is correct.

Evo Rune is strong, but hybrid spellboost or pure spellboost with Wamdus is better

[fading echo]

Unthinkable

[fading echo]

[umbral seal]

Wouldn't put too much stock in day 1 tier lists anyway. They shift very quickly.

But in my experience so far, spellboost is still better

I'm honestly struggling to beat portal with abyss. Not sure what I can do to improve the match up. I end up dying to beel stacks before belial can go off

Don't know if Sandolph would improve the match up

[fading echo]

Portal struggles to clear wide boards before 6 so you could try to play for more board early

The abyss i played was just dropping one/two followers so i just lived until bubs turn for free pretty much

If you play some portal it can help coming up with counters

I've seen some egg variants running zwei just to clear wide boards turn 4

[umbral seal]

Mode Abyss literally cannot do that. I'd have to play midrange or aggro.

[fading echo]

Yeah i guess mode it's countered by egg now that bubs helps eggs do damage

[umbral seal]

Belial: "let's climax together"

Diabolical voiceline

[fading echo]

The s tier egg they have on that website is more aggro than the one I'm using

[umbral seal]

Yeah, in my limited playtesting, mode abyss only loses to portal

I've been beating every evo rune easily

[umbral seal]

Triple Zooey'd a rune player

[red plover]

quality hand

[red plover]

how often u been getting to double or triple zooey

[umbral seal]

Not too often. Her primary purpose is ramp.

You should be ramping with her before even thinking about saving her for 10.

[red plover]

figures

[fading echo]

no 2pp heal 10 anymore

i got a bunch of connection errors in that match is this happening to you guys?

[red plover]

Ive had that sometimes but it seems to happen randomly

forgot again that you actually have to visit the guild to get the season rewards

[fading echo]

please abyss mommy

that's okay too

[red plover]

literally the opposite

[fading echo]

just went all match without drawing a single egg or a single lishenna

that's how you beat egg

die haven scum

[umbral seal]

Back to my rightful place 😤

The extra copy of genesis dragon is swappable with an extra sharkboy if you're running into a lot of ward haven.

2x Genesis is better in match-ups that aren't ward heavy

[brisk adder]

yeah kick the inactive ones

[fading echo]

outhealed loot sword burst

[brisk adder]

you're purging? @umbral seal

[umbral seal]

To make room for more active fellas. I'ma make a guild recruitment post on reddit.

[cursive crypt]

how often do you ramp 2x a game now?

i might craft aproper dragon deck finally

im missing filenes and wilnas

[umbral seal]

Semi-often. You only need to ramp once, though.

Since that allows you to play Garyu on your first super evo. Anything beyond that is awesome but unnecessary.

Ramping into Wilnas means most opponents are either going to take a lot of damage next turn or use premium resources to get rid of him

Without ramping into Wilnas, opponents can simply Odin it

Also, there are no substitutes for a competitive dragon deck. Filene is absolutely mandatory. You could technically replace Wilnas with Neptune but Neptune does not create checkmate situations like Wilnas does. She is reactive.

Last set, everyone was running Neptune. Now, a lot of lists have cut her.

[mystic tartan]

so many portal

[mystic tartan]

BROOO

its all portal

💀

[brisk adder]

💀 WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT

first time being fucking lucky

[cursive crypt]

thats true, u prob ramp once almost every game now ye?

yea i havent seen much neptune

[umbral seal]

Beel helps a lot. It's funny, though, because I actually farm the fuck out of Portal with dragon

Portal is the one deck I don't want to see when I'm playing abyss

They seem to get their beel off before I can get my belial off

[mystic tartan]

yeah Dragon can really fuck Portal

i got unlucky tho he has Sylvia for my Ganryuu

[umbral seal]

Like if I ramp into Wilnas, they literally have to spend Congregant to remove it

[fading echo]

the stream basically confirmed portal is the most popular class iirc

[umbral seal]

If they don't congregant, they're dead

[fading echo]

it wasn't played set 3 because it was absolute garbage though

[umbral seal]

Portal popularity spiked after the puppet buffs, which were significant

[fading echo]

fellow bricked bro

[umbral seal]

Although that doesn't really matter now

[fading echo]

makes sense though the first thing you see is eudie and dreizehn

at least for the people that this is their first shadowverse

[mystic tartan]

man Dragon sucks 1st turn

[umbral seal]

You have to get used to taking damage in order to ramp

If you know you have a turn that lets you swing back the board harder if you ramp, compared to if you didn't, you should

[mystic tartan]

i aint beating a +1 pp turn midrange sword

into zirconia

[umbral seal]

Well, Sword is a hard match up but you can still win if you ramp hard enough

Because you have invincibility on turn 10

Or if you ramp into Wilnas, you can literally otk if he isn't removed

[fading echo]

yeah i forgot about him and lost to a dragon once because i wasted the lishenna spell

[umbral seal]

Like I said earlier, people will literally spend congregant just to remove him

And they should, because if you take 8+ damage from him, it's usually gg

Since dragon has so much storm coming after

[mystic tartan]

yeah man i bricked too cus i got no Filene

and this boi Amelia+Magus