In forest
#Shadowverse
mystic tartan
Then i got that vampire that can become 3
mystic tartan
With the Amulet diadain dragon tthat can dish out 1 damage
gritty anvil
vs golems
mystic tartan
Kek
red plover
wait, what takes priority if an ambush unit gets a ward 
umbral seal
Ambush.
It doesn't protect you until after it's revealed
Seen this situation many times with Amalia & Prim
red plover
I see, makes sense
would have been funny if it didnt allow the enemy to attack at all though 
gritty anvil
anyone for fast weekly ?
blissful olive
i hate it here
fading echo
crest haven so fun and balanced dude
what an amazing design
and then he throws jeanne to top it off if 3 cups 3x 5 damage odins to the face wasn't enough
umbral seal
Not that I think Crest Haven is balanced, but I genuinely wonder what sort of meta would please you fellas
||spoiler: absolutely nothing||
fading echo
one where you can counter things would be nice instead of just getting face rolled by singleplayer decks
umbral seal
What you're hoping for is not possible in shadowverse based on the way it's designed
What you're asking for exists in Magic via counterspells or Yugioh via traps/hand-traps
And even if it was possible, I don't think the devs want to make changes that would slow down the gameplay.
fading echo
that's why i wanna push gm so i can play the shit decks and be out of the cr range of the balanced decks
umbral seal
If you don't want to fight meta shit, stay below 1600
wild gale
Not that I think Crest Haven is balanced, but I genuinely wonder what sort of me...
Meta that doesn't take 10 trillion years 
umbral seal
Meta that doesn't take 10 trillion years <:Deadge:1024899449841000500>
That was the previous two metas. Like I said, y'all only know how to complain.
wild gale
Doesn't take as long as crest haven man
warped granite
That was the previous two metas. Like I said, y'all only know how to complain.
That's just the default state of any card gamer
umbral seal
That's just the default state of any card gamer
Gamers in general tbh
blissful olive
there is no counter play to shit in this game because it is lowkey singleplayer
cant act on opps turn leaves little to no counter play or anything u just take turns clearing boards if u cant then u lose
umbral seal
What you're asking for exists in Magic via counterspells or Yugioh via traps/han...
Like I said earlier, I'm fairly certain the devs have no intention of making sv similar to those games.
Best you could hope for is something like secrets in Hearthstone but even that seems like a longshot imo
umbral seal
If counterspell was real, I'd run that shit in every deck
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Updated Jerry dragon deck
Honestly, swapping decks late is better since there's less of a chance that you pitch Raio before you can play him
Very hard to lose post Raio (outside of Rune otk)
Basically not possible to beat Mode Abyss without swapping if they're not dead before Ginsetsu. Or Cerberus, even
gritty anvil
Updated Jerry dragon deck
u made this list ? or its copied
umbral seal
I didn't make anything, just made adjustments.
mystic tartan
bro Haven Crest is too op man
if i Jerry
kinda need heal heal heal against them
fading echo
i'm free from this climbing hell and can go back to playing portal at the bottom of the ranks 
far away from all the haven players
fading echo
i got bricked hands multiple times on the last few matches before placements and got demoted from sapphire to rubi and then right after that i got to placements
is my account now forever bricked with 1.5 multiplier?
umbral seal
Yup, but why would that matter? Entering gm at diamond starts you at 1600
If you don't want to play against meta shit, you should be happy about that
Whether you start at 1500 or 1600, if you're winning enough, you will face meta decks eventually
cursive crypt
GM is always 1.5 multiplier no matter how u enter it right?
umbral seal
Wait, what "multiplier" are we talking about?
cursive crypt
Class rating is the only one affected by groups
umbral seal
For guild pts?
cursive crypt
For master points
cursive crypt
Pretty sure everyone earnd the same amount, but wins/loss streak affects it
fading echo
GM is always 1.5 multiplier no matter how u enter it right?
oh cool so it doesn't matter
now i can play storm haven dirt rune and portal without worrying about groups 
cursive crypt
<@475790499488202762> You slackin' this set, my boy.
i been playing hollow knight 
after i finish the thing i'll prob get back to sv
im almost ultimate on forest 
btw rating is actually so hard to maintain man
one day u could be 1800 the next day u can be 1500 
umbral seal
Well, everyone above 1650 is playing optimally with optimal deck lists so yeah, it's very difficult.
The more I play Jerry Dragon, the more I realize Jerry is far from the meme card everyone thought he'd be.
Perfect card for any aggro deck that runs no draw.
umbral seal
Nah. He's not broken.
Well, except in Take Two
He's basically auto-win there if you play him on your first evo
cursive crypt
idk i feel like a lot of decks already run it and its winning a lot of games
also i feel like jerry deck is straight up better than egg portal
umbral seal
He's run in aggro decks (forest/dragon) and the otk dragon deck. Jerry Portal also makes sense if you just brick on drawing your eggs.
He's basically a last resort if you see no way to win with your current hand but I wouldn't say he's broken
cursive crypt
well yea i dont think he is frustrating to play against at all, but the fact that he is just a very good plan b for aggro decks might be problematic design wise
umbral seal
Rune needs a nerf before anything else. I do think Crest Haven probably needs to be tuned down a bit but I'm unsure what the problem is. Probably the crest timers need to be nerfed on their new cards (makes it harder to play Benison with no downside) and/or remove the crest timer delay on Torrent of Despair.
cursive crypt
i played crest to epic and i had a much easier time doing so than playing any version of forest lol
umbral seal
Well, it's very clearly tier 1 (said this on day 1) so I'm not surprised
cursive crypt
imo the 5 drop is what breaks it, maybe nerf that one
if you dont draw grimnir on curve your deck is also much weaker
umbral seal
Congregant of Despair is good but I don't think her evo nor fanfare need a nerf.
The problem is how easy it is to cap your crests and then play Benison, which basically shuts out most aggro decks except Sword.
cursive crypt
well the 5 drop enables it all unless you just draw everything naturally
maybe nerf the timer on the countdown
umbral seal
I've played a lot of Havens who draw Marwyn without Congregant and Congregant doesn't guarantee a Marwyn pull anyway. It's not a true tutor.
umbral seal
maybe nerf the timer on the countdown
Already said that but the timers on all crests need a nerf, not just hers
cursive crypt
it tutors everything else too so u can draw all the crests you need 
if you dont draw her its very hard to cap your crests
just gonna sit there with 3-4 crests
cursive crypt
the movie? have fun 
mystic tartan
Its okay movie
gritty anvil
bruh
gritty anvil
lost to haven next game no 10 winstreak for me
mystic tartan
https://x.com/shadove_game8/status/1967871320542286195
sadi
cursive crypt
I think midrange abyss is better than mode
umbral seal
Insane that the rewards are so paltry for this
umbral seal
I think midrange abyss is better than mode
It's not, because you can modify mode to include midrange tools for extra burst with cerb. Non-faith midrange has no late game insurance.
gritty anvil
mode abyss have potential to beat anything there is no hard counters but its still isnt top dog like others
i wonder whats hardest match up propably haven but u can still win
even rune isnt that hard to beat with mode abyss
even roach because u can build massive ward wall they cant get through
classic midrange have no chance vs haven not enough late game
but lately they cutting himeka in haven so maybe undeath soldier could be kinda good but i dont know
marwyn spell still banishes
cursive crypt
Well you don't play midrange abyss so u can kill opponent on turn 11
maybe it's just me because I have a way easier time to win vs mode than vs midrange
gritty anvil
well thing is there is version of midrange that runs exella and one that dont i think one with exella could have potentially chance be better in some match ups than mode
what CR ?
cursive crypt
I'm stuck 1650-1730
gritty anvil
tahts where im with portal lol
thats my highest CR rn
portal is honestly pretty good if u not facing haven lol
haven is beatable too but u need to have really good early game and dodge that 4 mana aoe
izudia is also strong vs portal
but im not facing many izudia
cursive crypt
Don't you just play Jerry vs haven and pray
cursive crypt
Why, everyone does it 
gritty anvil
i dont know
but i cant even reach ultimate
so its not very good i assume
my version
not jerry
cursive crypt
Jerry deck is better than fully constructed egg portal anyway
gritty anvil
nah i dont think so
jerry deck is still too rng
like in some match ups yes
but usually u want your egg deck
cursive crypt
Isn't rune hard as well for you
gritty anvil
at first i though it would be but suprisingly im winning quite a lot vs rune
like not always of course
but again this is 1650 - 1750
cursive crypt
I don't see sword all that much anymore I think every sword user resides in higher elo range
gritty anvil
so ye maybe ppl arent that great there
yes
i think most swords
are in higher elo
ultimate +
1750 +
cursive crypt
Oh true haven too I forgot
gritty anvil
even portal
but ye ppl who are in this elo with haven
must be bad lmao
because haven is currently in my opinion strongest
if played well
its so hard to beat
but rune is still strong vs haven but u need coc climb
cursive crypt
Yea I think so too, sword and rune lagging behind a bit
I saw some midrange sword but idk how they even win vs most decks in this meta lol
gritty anvil
lol midrange sword would be so bad into haven
because that deck dont have enough face dmg and they just clear everything u play
even valse is useless
cursive crypt
Yea u just get out valued by everything
gritty anvil
in ambush
yes that deck runs so much removals its ridiculous
- have infinite
removal
basically
in marwyn crest
if some deck needs nerf rn it would be haven i said it
like other decks are also strong but haven rn is just way too consistently strong
gritty anvil
well
between sword rune and haven
is small difference
but i think haven is still slightly above those
abyss is 4th
cursive crypt
Haven just has the best matchup spread among all 3
gritty anvil
and between 4th and 5th is kinda gap but not as big of gap
gritty anvil
Haven just has the best matchup spread among all 3
yes
thing is that deck have such insane card draw engine
its almost impossible to not draw your cards pretty early
what u need
that 5 drop
when u evo
is so stupid
its like 5 card draws
in one card
or 4
cursive crypt
U should watch my games I had games where I didn't draw marwyn until turn 14
gritty anvil
on top of that they have sanctuary and also can turn that aoe into 8 mana that draw u cards
gritty anvil
U should watch my games <:OMEGALUL:641778355737329673> I had games where I didn'...
well thats rare no ?
even if u draw him on like 6
should be still fine
but later it could be problem
cursive crypt
I think playing him on 6 is still considered standard
gritty anvil
thing is vs aggresive decks
cursive crypt
I would say more than half my games I play marwyn on 6 or below
cursive crypt
Because u can't play him
They just all have wide board
Haven doesn't really have a turn 1 or 2 except for the card draw
gritty anvil
but ye i watched today haven mirrors
that shit is so cancer
i wanted to play haven but after seeing haven mirrors i kinda dont want to lol
cursive crypt
Just takes too long man
gritty anvil
but ye if u like winning u should play mainly rune haven or sword
and actually climb out of ultimate
or into ultimate
abyss aswell too
cursive crypt
I really don't like playing rune
gritty anvil
i dont mind playing rune
cursive crypt
If only there's a good spellboost list that doesn't have dirt
gritty anvil
well u can run dirtless spellboost
actually
that could be maybe better vs haven
but i dont know
u propably die
without norman
not sure
cursive crypt
Nah they need to heal a lot vs haven unless the haven plays marwyn on turn 9 lol
gritty anvil
but ye pure spellboost
can have climb discounted
much faster
but u still need to reach turn 10
cursive crypt
Ye quite a problem without Norman
gritty anvil
ppl bitch about norman but i think if they drastically nerf him spellboost would be kinda cooked
but ye i hope next set
they give spellboost another heal but not crazy one like norman
so that we can stop playing norman
i mean dirtless spellboost
but thats so risky
actually
because if they do that
spellboost would run all 3
sagelight norman and that new heal lmao
cursive crypt
But why does every rune legendary had to have everything for no reason
gritty anvil
they would need to nerf norman if they wanted to give spellboost new spell that heals
cursive crypt
Ward, heal, draw, damage for each card
cursive crypt
If raio is in dragon he would be strong af tho
cursive crypt
He's a lot better cause he clears board for free
gritty anvil
but ye i think he would be run in dragon
because gettting aoe
on turn played
is pretty op
but genesis would cost 7
not 5
but ye they knew what they were doing they were scared to give spellboost more shit this set
cursive crypt
Good enough ig, at least your cards can cost 0
gritty anvil
cause if it got actually good stuff
it would be way ahead
of any deck
ye true with fennie stuff cant cost 0
now imagine u play both
lmao
fennie into raio
how is that evn work
fennie makes your genesis 5 and raio makes it 2 ?
cursive crypt
It should work like that yea
cursive crypt
Oh true I forgot 
gritty anvil
but ye this combo isnt possible even in jerry dragon
actually it is but it would need to be like shuffling with ruby
your fennie into jery deck
or dragon strike your fennie
or jery
and play them both at 10 pp
but again thats not dragon deck anymore so ye u have chance for fennie + raio effect but no longer with dragon cards
wait how come there is GP in like 4 days dafuq
if new set not coming out anytime soon
cursive crypt
GP is once a season I think
umbral seal
wait how come there is GP in like 4 days dafuq
Probably the same reason they're giving out a new bp next month.
gritty anvil
i though GP is always at the end of season no ?
umbral seal
i though GP is always at the end of season no ?
It is.
cursive crypt
Season is ending
umbral seal
No, it's not.
gritty anvil
no
cursive crypt
In 2 weeks no?
umbral seal
There's no new set at the end of September
cursive crypt
GP lasts a week
gritty anvil
i heard new set coming out end of october
umbral seal
i heard new set coming out end of october
Correct, which is supposed to be the normal release pace: 2 months.
cursive crypt
Yea ik there's no new set but I thought one season lasts a month even if there's no new set
gritty anvil
man this meta gonna be long af lol
cursive crypt
Guess I was wrong
cursive crypt
Should be doable by the end of the month
gritty anvil
ppl say rune is easy to play but i think its actually pretty hard to pilot
umbral seal
ppl say rune is easy to play but i think its actually pretty hard to pilot
Remind me how long I've been saying this exact thing.
The only people who say Rune is easy have never, and will never get to a good CR with it
gritty anvil
i dont know lol
umbral seal
i dont know lol
Since release.
gritty anvil
This version of Rune *is* easier than D-shift in SV1
i think so
umbral seal
If it was braindead, anyone would be able to get 1850 with it. They cannot. YOU cannot.
Although it has the highest ratio of players above 1850, because it's a tier 1 deck, obviously.
blissful olive
heres the bar
if i can play the deck its brain dead
rating doesnt matter u cant keep using that lol
they do need to nerf it tho
SB should not remain if it gets put back into the deck that is super retarded
umbral seal
rating doesnt matter u cant keep using that lol
How does rating not matter? There is skill floor and skill ceiling, learn the difference.
umbral seal
Skill floor is how easy it is to pilot a deck at a base-line level
blissful olive
'' you coudlnt possible comprehend this decks complicated mechanics unless your 5000 rating''
do this all the time lol
umbral seal
The skill floor of virtually every deck is not high, not including roach
umbral seal
'' you coudlnt possible comprehend this decks complicated mechanics unless your ...
This is a strawman, intentionally misconstruing what I am saying.
blissful olive
but u do say this shit lol
umbral seal
I have repeatedly explained my position more than once, and only you are too ignorant to understand something so simple.
blissful olive
like bruh rune is not hard to pilot u dont have to be 10k rating to understand a deck man
umbral seal
there is skill floor and skill ceiling, learn the difference
blissful olive
but then when anyone says something ur like bruh im 1850 2000 u dont know man rune is 2 hard
umbral seal
We can return to this discussion when you do.
blissful olive
u just gotta stop pretending that games at 2k are vastly different from a regular game lol
umbral seal
And I have also, tirelessly, explained that I evaluate deck difficulty by how many possible decisions you can make per turn. This is the biggest reason why loot sword is considered more difficult than midrange.
umbral seal
Rune, while overpowered, also has several lines of play you can make per turn.
Your hate-boner for it, for some reason, makes you incapable of seeing that
You don't even need to reach 1850. You would struggle to maintain 1650
blissful olive
rune is basically try and maintain control of the board dont die ( norman ) and hold for ur bullshit on turn 10 if kuons not doing it
it doesnt take being 5000 rating to understand that thats my point lol
umbral seal
u just gotta stop pretending that games at 2k are vastly different from a regul...
I actually do notice people making critical errors all the time from players who are below 1600. Past that, there is not a noticeable difference in the skill level. More so the concentration of higher tier decks at higher CR.
blissful olive
unironically i think more playing mode abyss than i do rune
umbral seal
it doesnt take being 5000 rating to understand that thats my point lol
We have a system now that actually determines skill level, something you were bitching about before this set, yet now, you're dismissing it because you don't understand the difference between skill floor and skill ceiling. Convenient.
blissful olive
well i guess mode does do more rune is just staying alive until u can win
we always had that didnt we
thats what the groups are for
but GM is the only rank where u can lose points now right
umbral seal
Groups were a very vague system and going by the way CR works currently, entering GM at diamond puts you at just 1600
Maintaining 1600 CR isn't that hard
Going above that and maintaining that is hard
blissful olive
you also cant drop they said right if u enter GM at emerald or diamond u stay with it
umbral seal
Entering GM at different groups just determines your starting CR for all classes
If you're good and playing a good deck, your CR will go up
blissful olive
do groups disappear then
umbral seal
do groups disappear then
Correct.
blissful olive
ah i see
mystic tartan
You still do not lose GM points. CR is a separate system.
honestly i like this more
cus im trying different things in ranked
blissful olive
ultimate btw lmao
umbral seal
Gonna stop for tonight. I'll try to push for ultimate tomorrow.
Still have not exceeded my previous peak of 1780. I think I got the correct recipe for Fennie, though.
gritty anvil
ultimate btw lmao
i wasnt there for long kek
umbral seal
mystic tartan
hou-chan densetsu
umbral seal
With Odin in, definitely.
Odin being in the deck means I have more combo potential if I can drop 2 fennie's
Azurifrit + Genesis is 15 damage and gets past ward walls.
Double genesis + evo is 20, obviously
But sometimes you don't get double discounted genesis dragons
gritty anvil
also if u run out of super evos procing barrier is so hard
umbral seal
With the aggro dragon deck, beating Haven basically comes down to having Odin for Wilbert and/or swapping to Jerry as soon as you run out of steam
umbral seal
also if u run out of super evos procing barrier is so hard
That's what azurifrit is for. Also, I almost always save my last evo for Haven, because if they're smart, they will always be as close to 20 hp as possible
Once they recognize the deck they're against
gritty anvil
azuri is so ass without sevo hes only 5/1 its free face dmg for haven pretty much
umbral seal
Azurifrit is pretty good for clearing boards, even without evo. Without him, your only board clear is Filene and Raging Lightning (good, but tricky to use)
Azurifrit basically takes the job of Twilight Dragon, except Twilight Dragon is not necessary in this deck
gritty anvil
i need to try in dragon again otohime amulet
because it kinda make sense
with these 0 cost
umbral seal
I tried the amulet in fennie once because sometimes I just need to empty my hand
The amulet is needed in any aggressive version of dragon just to continue pushing damage, even with a bad hand
I also need to put eyfa back in my aggressive dragon deck. Getting tired of getting gilnelise'd
gritty anvil
but eyfa dies to gilnelise
and usually gonna have something else on board aswell so they heal
mystic tartan
I also need to put eyfa back in my aggressive dragon deck. Getting tired of gett...
same
gilnelise is just everywhere 
im tired boss
literally just got cucked by portal with gilnelise
with sylvia heal on top
red plover
basically the same what half the people in here say
mystic tartan
honestly im fine with rune
Haven tho
too OP
especially that 4 pp amulet
the one that heal 4 and damage 4
umbral seal
but eyfa dies to gilnelise
Dying to gil isnt game losing. Letting her leech is
Eyfa has intimidate after overflow
umbral seal
the one that heal 4 and damage 4
Nah, this amulet is fine. It feels broken because of Haven's overall ability to clear boards, meaning it can reliably go face
A lot of people were saying how ass this amulet is pre-patch because it's split damage technically
mystic tartan
turns out
its especially op against loot sword cus we only have 1 guy usually 
and they can banish or whatever it is
either way
gimme next set already
fading echo
honestly im fine with rune
same most of my decks have the tools from the new cards to just board lock rune with onions and kill them later so it's really not a issue deck anymore
gritty anvil
rune isnt that annoying to play againts i think playing againts haven feels much worse
umbral seal
๐๐พ Ultimate again soon.
This deck is really working out. Only loses to Sword, really.
fading echo
rune isnt that annoying to play againts i think playing againts haven feels much...
just go face all the time
gritty anvil
lol
bro why ppl conceding
at table battle
so dumb
oh wait
it still count ?
if its not me who conceded
cursive crypt
You just can't early concede that's all
fading echo
you can leave after super evo comes online iirc
i do that when i'm doing daily and some dude picks crest haven to do park matches
gritty anvil
haven can kill u relatively fast
if u let them
turn 8
propably
u dead
with jeanne
if they have bunch of shit on board
and u not doing anything
fading echo
dirtpog
umbral seal
haven can kill u relatively fast
They can kill you even faster than that. Grimnir, Marywn, coin Wilbert, 2nd Wilbert
Or the 4 pp amulets once Marwyn is online can burst you rather quickly
All this can happen before turn 8
gritty anvil
i guess ye marwyn alone is 6/6 body
red plover
my guild points finally wont be useless anymore when I make it to masters this weekend 
umbral seal
They upped the requirements for hitting s rank and above
Like I have 20k+ already and I'll need more just to get the guild to s+ again
blissful olive
what is it now? last i checked it was 10k for S
umbral seal
cursive crypt
this guy is about to get +5 for the win
umbral seal
I've seen gains as low as like, +10. Never +5
cursive crypt
i got -8 losing
cursive crypt
idk which forest deck is the best since they all have clear weaknesses
cursive crypt
dude there is no way midrange abyss isnt tier 1
i climbed to 1700 rating in an hour from 1550
blissful olive
nah def not abyss will always be A until something pushes it way over the top
umbral seal
Common Nevia L.
umbral seal
dude there is no way midrange abyss isnt tier 1 <:ICANT:1039599418208428182>
So, I'll admit that I've had way more issues with midrange as dragon. They have too much out of hand damage.
I'm not sure if they can beat Crest Haven although Mode Abyss can't either without the Rulenye otk
Abyss, alongside sword, rune and haven, has 4 players with over 2200 rating. Dragon, Forest & Portal do not.
Yet in Nevia's uninformed opinion, despite every tier list stating otherwise, abyss is not top tier.
At least you're committed to being consistently wrong.
cursive crypt
I'm not sure if they can beat Crest Haven although Mode Abyss can't either witho...
if there is no himeka crest is easily beatable so far for me
You have a more sticky board so they can't play marwyn or any of their crest stuff for free
Last night I legit crafted 2 rulenye for midrange abyss, played for 1 and a half hour and hit ultimate with no effort
blissful olive
sorry but u know it too
abyss has nothing pushing it into the realm of S rank nothing in abyss is mickey enough to even consider it
blissful olive
you should at least bring an argument to the table that makes it S
its whole package is quite good but its no where near the levels of broken you claim thats why its A
umbral seal
you should at least bring an argument to the table that makes it S
Yes, because doing this before has proved to be productive. Shoo.
umbral seal
Last night I legit crafted 2 rulenye for midrange abyss, played for 1 and a half...
While I can imagine a decklist based on what I've run into, do you have one?
blissful olive
are you sure you not just going along with what JP says
umbral seal
I mostly have just played mode.
blissful olive
remember that booty ass deck JP came up with 3 vlads and all that in base set claiming that was S lol
but u still said it was S at the time ( not that deck)
umbral seal
are you sure you not just going along with what JP says
The conclusions I come to are on day 1, before JP says anything. Because that is how much I play the game.
blissful olive
yeah but what makes something S for you?
for me its when someone is so over tuned u just get fucked when it happens
abyss has a lot of good stuff in it but nothing on that scale of power
umbral seal
remember that booty ass deck JP came up with 3 vlads and all that in base set cl...
The only time I said abyss was tier 1 was last set, because midrange and aggro were that strong. Only your clown ass would disagree with this. Abyss was underexplored in the beginning of set 1 but that version of midrange abyss was tier 2 at best.
This has always been my position and at no point have I said vlad is a good card
blissful olive
in last set it still had the same problem but its not as bad now
since we got cards like ral now
umbral seal
I have relentlessly defended cerb, which you have said is bad in set 1
blissful olive
no no
cerbs always been good but the way u use her is not great
like albert u slam it on the table and u just win cerb has to play into a board if ur trying to do damage
umbral seal
in last set it still had the same problem but its not as bad now
Problems yet still tier 1? Lol. Like i said before, you're a clown. And if I asked to play you to clap that ass, you wouldn't oblige either.
blissful olive
she cant just end the game by herself the way other decks could
umbral seal
cerbs always been good but the way u use her is not great
A card requiring set play doesn't not change its effective strength in real games
blissful olive
it does ina way
like you cant really compare her power level to something that can just instantly win you the game like albert or satan d shift roach etc
or that new thing forest does with the raio guy
shes good to just throw out even on an empty board but she was never a '' play it and win'' card
do we have a guy named hades in here in game?
i keep getting friend reqs from this guy
umbral seal
You're referring to Izudia, not Raio. Both are worse than Cerb. Cerb absolutely wins the game in a lot of situations. It's why people are always desperate to clear the zombies before she comes down. Rulenye adds to that problem.
blissful olive
yeah rul is good shes an extra threat and can fill the board as well
do u know how many sets it takes btw before they start adding formats?
umbral seal
You don't trust JP but China has similar opinions to what is and isn't top tier. You do not trust my personal anecdotes either, when I improved my diamond percentage from 23% to 50% singlehandedly with aggro abyss.
The only thing you trust is your own ignorance
Which is why it's pointless to argue with you
blissful olive
im just strictly referring to cerb as a solo card shes not as big of a looming threat as someone liek albert a roach combo or d shift satan
thats not even debatable this is a fact
umbral seal
im just strictly referring to cerb as a solo card shes not as big of a looming t...
She absolutely is, and again, it's why you cannot afford to leave even a single unit on abyss's board, or the damage you take tends to be too large to recover from unless you're Haven.
blissful olive
yes but ur missing my point she cant end the game herself on an empty board like others can
thats why shes not as big a threat you can argue rul is more of a threat because you can be hit for 7/8 out of no where
umbral seal
yes but ur missing my point she cant end the game herself on an empty board like...
Sure, and she also comes down earlier than the other cards you're mentioning.
blissful olive
for albert 1 turn yeah unless they went 2nd
umbral seal
It'd be very problematic for an 8 cost card to end the game on an empty board. That's actually part of what made Nep problematic in SV1.
blissful olive
mord was really good yeah but SV1 was more tame so he wasnt super stupid
super evo just causes to many problems
umbral seal
Mord by himself was not good because throwing him down on 8 is no different than throwing Lapis down on 8 by herself.
Imagine if Aether put Lapis on the board along with 3 other units
blissful olive
i was debating trying that deck but i think i only got 1
i only have 37k vials too so i think i just need to wait till next set
gritty anvil
only ? thats quite a lot
umbral seal
It's not a lot when you spend vials on globes
I had over 100k vials before I started buying globes
Still need to gild some cards
blissful olive
i just like to ensure i can make at least any 2 new decks that will come out next set is all
umbral seal
lol spending vials on globes ?
If I already have every card, why would I not?
gritty anvil
do u play everything ?
blissful olive
hes a whale it doesnt matter 2 him lol
gritty anvil
every craft
umbral seal
I have every card on day 1
blissful olive
bro just dumped 500 on getting the full dragussy set
blissful olive
he just wanted the leader set for dragon
cursive crypt
While I can imagine a decklist based on what I've run into, do you have one?
pretty standard list. i started running 2 medusa because half my games are vs abyss and rune
if you run into more havens just run 3 odin and one medusa
played midrange abyss for less than 2 hours and its already as high rated as forest
gritty anvil
why mino ?
gritty anvil
thats too weak
4 mana removal
that cant even go past wards
i would personally run orthus or phil
2/1 is so ass vs certain match ups
sword forest
portal
if reapears were in deck or exella that would make sense
i started running 2 cocs i was tired when my single coc was at bottom of deck
cursive crypt
i would personally run orthus or phil
gives u a free skeleton next turn so its not so bad honestl;y
gritty anvil
well i havent played classic midrange in this meta yet so i cant tell that much but seeing forest swords sometimes portal i would prefer 2 hp but vs certain crafts 1 hp doenst matter like rune haven dragon
actually vs dragon it can
i need to try midrange abyss with exella and crypts
i think it could be pretty good in this meta
but i would def not run 3 crypts
max 2
exella also only 2
gritty anvil
and try fit one crypt
for cerb and exella
u could run only 2 serpents
u dont want to draw them early
mummy can also be only 2 copies
give me your izudia list
i think im gonna craft it
well ican literally craft everything now
even sword and haven
cursive crypt
give me your izudia list
i dont think mine is the best tbh i dont use it much
u can cut 9 drop to 2
gritty anvil
i want decks that are good vs haven
and izudia is one of them
its also good vs sword
what izudia forest only terrible match up rune ?
cursive crypt
u really need one glade vs shit like abys and haven
it loses to roach and dragon
and rune yea
cursive crypt
noi ward
gritty anvil
its too slow for dragon
cursive crypt
they just hit u in the face
gritty anvil
i mean 9 drop have ward
but thats too late
but atleast grimnir is there
aerin is also ward
there are some wards
btw if i use titania in this deck ?
im gonna overdraw a lot ?
cursive crypt
grimnir is too small, aerin is too late and dies to odin lol
u can try
dunno why u want a fairy every turn t
gritty anvil
no
its not for fairy
its for turning someone into fairy
like wilbert
or for cerb
krull is important right
3 copies
cursive crypt
yea she is aoe and heal
gritty anvil
like tempo forest propably concede
cursive crypt
stealth is kinda good vs haven too cause it absorbs the crest damage
cursive crypt
as long as they dont otk you yeah
gritty anvil
how is abyss match up for this deck
cursive crypt
mode is not a hard matchup but midrange is
i dunno what beats midrange abyss man all my decks struggle vs it
its why i crafted it
cursive crypt
u only lose to himeka thats it lol
otherwise so beatable
look im playing vs one rn
gritty anvil
well haven is good vs anything u have never guarantee u beat haven not even roach or rune or forest like imagine if u forced to use all evos vs haven right and they play barrier u never gonna be able to pop it
as forest
and your izudia spell would be completely useless only way how could u proc it would be double izudia spell
but thats using 2 evos
oh no actually i forget gilnelise spell can proc barrier
gritty anvil
look im playing vs one rn
well if they banish your zombies with marwyn it can be rough
not in this case
but in general
honestly haven can tech
priest
vs abyss
if facing too much abyss
some run salefa
umbral seal
priest
This is so obviously never going to happen that it's silly to suggest it.
This wouldn't even happen in a tournament format
Marwyn's banish is also not targeted removal. Even if it feels that way sometimes.
blissful olive
cursive crypt
not tier 1 im breezing through playing like a monkey
also, after losing a fair bit with this deck, i would say mode abyss is the hardest matchup followed by izudia forest
mode abyss can stall pretty easily vs you and u will lose on turn 9 ginsetsu
same with izudia and the 9 drop gold card
only difference is ginsetsu heals
umbral seal
Well if you're getting to 1850 that fast, yeah I can't argue with results
Getting 1850 on dragon has been incredibly difficult
Experimenting with a tablet list right now.
cursive crypt
yea and i started becoming a mode abyss believer along the way even tho i still think midrange just has a much better matchup spread than mode
well, dragon is not a very good class
i played hundreds of forest games too and i didnt get 1850 once
meanwhile i started playing abyss from 70k master points and 10k mp later its already 1850 
umbral seal
My issue with dragon is that it only feels broken after playing Fennie but even slow decks will punish you with a lot of damage for playing her
Ramping is already a tempo loss and playing an 8 pp 4/4 is a massive tempo loss
Her effect makes up for that only if you don't die
cursive crypt
i feel like if you dont draw dragonsign its just doomed, fennie or not
umbral seal
meanwhile i started playing abyss from 70k master points and 10k mp later its al...
Meanwhile, Nevia will continue to claim Abyss is not OP
cursive crypt
liu feng is worse than dragon sign and that says something about the card
i consistently beat rune and crest haven with midrange, not sure if thats the case as welll with mode
sword is a toss up but gilnelise helps a ton in that matchup
most of my losses are to other midrange abyss or mode
gritty anvil
did u add exella or nah
cursive crypt
did u add exella or nah
this was my final list for the past 10 games
i actually really like mino since u dont really mind drawing her on turn 7 or something
its a 4pp kill 1 unit
i would tilt if i draw a phildau on turn 7
dont really need him in this deck i feel like
i think i would lose a lot more to rune if rune players still play william
gritty anvil
sword ?
fading echo
i went 3-1 with puppets lost to a haven cunt
blissful olive
bro wtf are these ranks lol
it sounds like they just making shit up
legendary ultimate lol
umbral seal
it sounds like they just making shit up
All ranks are "made up"
gritty anvil
first time in epic with rune well i wasnt playing it much this meta yet i was doing dailiies with recently
gritty anvil
this was my final list for the past 10 games
only scary thing about this deck is that draw engine is almost non existant its actually even less than previous meta mid abyss that abyss used to run triple olivia u could run third olivia but u end up having 10 7 drops and thats kinda insane but ye it obviously works even without card draw
umbral seal
Midrange & aggro decks will always be light on card draw in order to fit in more damage.
That's the nature of the archetype.
gritty anvil
ye u used to run also storm dragon with literally 0 card draws
and it was still winning
gritty anvil
just be good at topdecks
cursive crypt
only scary thing about this deck is that draw engine is almost non existant its ...
Game will end before you run out of cards anyway
gritty anvil
but ye mulligan in these types of decks is even more important than ever one mistake in mulligan can lose u game
cursive crypt
I actually been keeping the 4 cost on mulligan
gritty anvil
yes
cursive crypt
Not sure if it's correct
gritty anvil
that card is op
its good both going first or second
but i dont know if i would keep it if i had no other low cost on hand
cursive crypt
your units being 4hp is so good vs haven
If you have vuella and 4 cost on the board you are guaranteed to push damage
cursive crypt
Only good turn to play beryl is on the coin on turn 1
cursive crypt
i guess so
but most classes got new cards to deal with early aggression
so i dont think gilne would be the only problem
red plover
finally made it to master, only took nearly 400 wins
gritty anvil
does haven mulligan differently vs mode or midrange ?
or its same
i think vs midrange they need that 3 dmg aoe
blissful olive
yippie
blissful olive
apparently this is a pros abyss list
but i dont like not running rul or the copy girl
cursive crypt
i think vs midrange they need that 3 dmg aoe
That spell sucks cause ur units have 4hp
And it's hard to play marwyn on mid abyss's board without taking 8 damage
cursive crypt
Yea Im not a fan of this one either, rulenye and 5pp 8/8 are too broken
blissful olive
i might get BP for her then actually
blissful olive
ore no kungfuck
umbral seal
Slowly climbing out the pits of hell again
mystic tartan
cursive crypt
Still hasn't given up on dragon
umbral seal
Dragon is my original main. I had nearly 2k ranked wins on it across 7 sets.
cursive crypt
I don't even know what dragon players are doing now I haven't seen them in almost a week
Mostly rune and abyss on ladder
Oh and haven
The fotm tempo forest players died out too when they find out they can just put Jerry in their favorite crafts' decks
umbral seal
I don't even know what dragon players are doing now I haven't seen them in almos...
Fennie is the most reliable against everything except midrange abyss and sword.
But aggro dragon doesn't beat midrange abyss either in my experience.
Sword is a coin flip.
cursive crypt
Fennie is the most reliable against everything except midrange abyss and sword.
With the otk or just normal deck with genesis
At this point I'm convinced mid abyss is just the best deck it loses to mode abyss but it's either favored or 50/50 vs other decks
Im just stuck at 1900cr now with it tho 
maybe the deck can't carry me further than that
umbral seal
With the otk or just normal deck with genesis
Any fennie deck that isn't running Satan otk or Genesis otk is not viable.
Also, azurifrit just sucks. Even in Fennie, Garyu is better
umbral seal
Im just stuck at 1900cr now with it tho <:lacHmm:1250492587085664339> maybe the ...
Any deck that can reach 1850 can continue higher than that
cursive crypt
Any fennie deck that isn't running Satan otk or Genesis otk is not viable.
Well ye there are only 2 types, I was just wondering if the Satan type is even viable
I feel like if you're not running azur ifrit for extra damage it's not worth it
U have plenty board clear with galmieux and filene already
cursive crypt
Any deck that can reach 1850 can continue higher than that
Yea but winning isn't that easy I still need over 150 more CR to get beyond and that is so hard
That's like 11 net wins minimum
umbral seal
Well ye there are only 2 types, I was just wondering if the Satan type is even v...
The problem with the satan list is that it's inflexible. You have no real way to win without the combo.
You don't need double Genesis to win with the other variant.
I've won a lot of games with Raging Lightning tbh
umbral seal
I feel like if you're not running azur ifrit for extra damage it's not worth it
More often than not, Garyu is more damage while coming out a turn earlier. If you play him on your first super evo, most opponents cannot full clear him. Medusa is the cleanest answer.
umbral seal
Finally Now, do I fall back to 1500 or get back to ultimate? 
cursive crypt
The problem with the satan list is that it's inflexible. You have no real way to...
yea that's the problem, just only relying on one card to win
cursive crypt
More often than not, Garyu is more damage while coming out a turn earlier. If yo...
Yeah true, so it's just pointless to run it then
Since u don't really need extra board clear
umbral seal
yea that's the problem, just only relying on one card to win <:Deadge:1024899449...
3 cards. Must play Fennie. Fennie has to, at minimum, discount cocytus. Then you have to have cocytus & jerry in hand.
The only way to win without relying on the combo is ramping into an early cocytus. Preferably after a burnite super evo so that astaroth's is an instant kill.
But even then, I don't like that variant
gritty anvil
if something gets nerfed we get full 3500 vials back right ?
if we liquify it
actually no we cant because 3 copies restriction
maybe they unlock it
red plover
they said they would give you the full amount but yea, not sure how thats gonna work with the restriction, wouldnt make sense if they kept the restriction though
actually, no need to liquifiy it, you just get the amount, at least thats what they used to say
umbral seal
Also, it's entirely possible that non-legendary cards are nerfed.
red plover
yea, doubt that many legendaries will be hit if at all
umbral seal
I could potentially see benison nerfed to 3 pp. However, every problematic card in Rune is legendary
Excluding Bergent
red plover
cant wait for everyone to be disappointed by the nerfs 
umbral seal
Well, I'm used to cygames balancing. They can sometimes hit the mark.
But it's not a guarantee.
gritty anvil
@cursive crypt fuck deck sucks
gritty anvil
holy now i beat mode
lmao this guy
he left my 2 5/3 on board
group A first free entry try lmao
gritty anvil
He literally said midrange loses to mode. You're on a time limit.
i guess i missed that but ye if they dont have that 3 mana removal they are kinda cooked
but that guy i lost to had perfect answers for everything i did
gritty anvil
nasty hand
umbral seal
Easiest advancement to Group A ever
But somehow, @blissful olive will continue to say midrange abyss is not tier 1 despite literally everyone else not only saying otherwise, but also showing results contrary to his dumbass position
umbral seal
This is the same person who thinks a "win condition" needs to be a one card nuke like Albert, nothing else.
gritty anvil
Easiest advancement to Group A ever
wtf happen why u playing abyss i though u dragon cuck
umbral seal
wtf happen why u playing abyss i though u dragon cuck
This is just for the grand prix. I already spent 4 tries yesterday trying literally everything else.
gritty anvil
oh
umbral seal
So me try-harding is playing midrange abyss.
gritty anvil
i went in straight up with mid abyss
i even skip yesterday lol
i havent even try and today i first try qualify
blissful olive
yeah i went 4-1 in mine with abyss too
gritty anvil
if u hate haven play mid abyss
umbral seal
here comes the only cr 10000 rank can truly understand tier 1 abyss
Uh, no. Literally anyone who wants to climb understands. You're being hyperbolic when you can see the class ratings for everyone and see that abyss is way up there
And a lot of those players are not mode
blissful olive
yeah i actually havent lost to crest haven on mid
gritty anvil
lmao this sword player
he saw i have 10 hp
and instantly played albert
but i had 2 cocos on board
he was like he played it instantly and stop
blissful olive
bro got trigger happy
gritty anvil
nice crests
honestly that was some weird ass mix between ward haven and crest
i had no clue what that was
lmao some guy rematch me as mode abyss and lost 2 times
bro just met sword with random centaur
in deck
exacth lethal
cursive crypt
honestly that was some weird ass mix between ward haven and crest
I'm playing this deck rn actually since I plateaued on mid abyss already
At this point I'd be 1850 on haven too but not forest
You also gonna do the no effort climbing to ultimate with mid abyss
Truly broken deck
gritty anvil
I'm playing this deck rn actually since I plateaued on mid abyss already <:LULE:...
ye haven starting tech
againts abyss
i saw crest now running tigers
to deal with 4 hp stuff
and these amulets
3 mana deal 4
gritty anvil
Truly broken deck
look this guy somehow still win the game lmao
he was so lucky
he played double benison
and stabilized
and i lost in late game
but that extreme case usually they just lose
i kinda fucked up this game
i should have played earlier
zombies
they were dead on hand
cursive crypt
i saw crest now running tigers
yeah the tiger on turn 2 makes the matchup harder, the 3pp amulet is whatever
gritty anvil
this dude
was running that tiger
zombie is kinda garbage later in game
u pretty much must played early as possible
cursive crypt
i see more and more running tiger actually
gritty anvil
ye
its good vs mid abyss
well but they can still lose
it doesnt guarantee them wins
cursive crypt
yeah just makes the matchup more manageable for them
gritty anvil
i hit ultimate and dip
cursive crypt
buys them time to actually play their crests
gritty anvil
i had 8 games winstreak today
earlier
and 6 later
u did any changes to your deck ?
i still dont know how to feel about mino
cursive crypt
im seeing more haven than rune now so i now just have 3 odins and 1 medusa
gritty anvil
oh
u add third odin
make sense
ye vs haven odin is so good
there is so many targets
gritty anvil
i actually lost to bunch of runes today
but ye forest nowhere to be found lol
i still see quite a lot swords
but this deck is still really good into sword
cursive crypt
almost 1950
gritty anvil
so u only switched odins and medusa numbers
how dogged one working ?
just 1 copy of dogged one ?
thats so random
cursive crypt
its a 3 cost unit so at worst when u dont draw shit u can play it lol
gritty anvil
u propably not gonna even draw it on their evo turn
cursive crypt
i mean i dont wanna run 3 serpents
gritty anvil
i mean serpents can still be removal
cursive crypt
so either i run 3 serpents or some random card
gritty anvil
serpent is good vs grimnir
on curve
u could honestly cut one mummy u dont want to draw mummy too early
cursive crypt
dogged one does the same thing but doesnt damage you idk how i feel about it yet but it hasnt been so bad
gritty anvil
but shit is too good
with gilnelise
because u can buff it
on turn 8 it can be 9 dmg mummy
mummy vuelle gilnelise
gritty anvil
dogged one does the same thing but doesnt damage you <:Shrugeg:85406356605881552...
well it cost 1 more
cursive crypt
yea im not cutting mummy he is mvp in most of my games
gritty anvil
that can be akward
cursive crypt
might end up cutting it but im just trying it out idk
reaper did win me games a lot tho
gritty anvil
ye
and with minos
and soiree
it makes a lot of sense
to run
on turn 8 odin can get through 2 wards aswell
but ye 1 is enough
i would not run 2 reapers
cause it can brick your hand aswell
too valuable followers on hand and u end up with 2 reapers
on hand
but ye that 4 drop in abyss
is ridiculous
thats propably one of the best cards
in omen for abyss
abyss just keep winning they always have meta viable deck
only other craft that was consistently good was what
rune
rune and abyss
cursive crypt
sword