Shadowverse

[umbral seal]

I agree. I don't think leaving up 2 barriered golems or a 3/3 and 2/1 shikigami spells the end, though.

If I was playing the deck, I'd only delay izudia if there was a 7/7 or 8/8 Norman on board

That's too much damage to take

[cursive crypt]

It's harder now because they run gilnelise

So even if they play kuon

[umbral seal]

Why does your control forest list look like?

[cursive crypt]

They can climb into gilne

And that is a 17 damage kuon

12+5 from gilne token

So ass

[umbral seal]

Some things you just can't play around.

Also, gilnelise requires both of you to be at 10 pp

[gritty anvil]

get fucked rune cuck

[cursive crypt]

Yea that's not hard vs izudia tho cause that's just the turn before izudia can otk

[umbral seal]

Also, all this yapping but you still ain't show me your control forest list, hurry up.

I might play it later in the season

[cursive crypt]

I'm not home man I'll show and ping you later

[umbral seal]

[cursive crypt]

It's honestly favored vs sword

Bad matchups are dragon and rune

Oh and you lose to roach as well

[umbral seal]

Well, if you keep bouncing the lion, Sword will run out of damage. They have to kill you before you can do that

[cursive crypt]

And if you get to 9pp you just spam the ward

And they concede

[gritty anvil]

he draw glade too late kek

almost 1650

[umbral seal]

Control Forest needs otk protection similar to what Haven got this set. If they got that, it would actually be tier 1

[cursive crypt]

Personally I wouldn't give forest that ability

Just give them more ward units

[umbral seal]

True, because then Roach would try to fit it in the deck

[cursive crypt]

would be so annoying to deal with that

Buff lion to 7pp would also be a nice change

Or give it ward

Or more stats

Anything man

[umbral seal]

I think making him cheaper would shut down aggro too much.

Otk decks need to be vulnerable to aggression (which is why I want Rune nerfs)

[cursive crypt]

That's fair yeah

The reason rune didn't just suck last season was because Norman goes down on turn 6 to deal with aggro decks

[gritty anvil]

lets go

[umbral seal]

Grats, but you'll probably get promoted and demoted several times before stabilizing

Ask me how I know

CR has no rating protection

[gritty anvil]

lmao i met abyss without sham

it was old midrange with some new mode cards

[umbral seal]

I think that sort of list isn't terrible but it's just worse than a proper Mode Abyss

If the Mode Abyss gets faith online by turn 7 (seen it happen more than once), you're cooked

[gritty anvil]

holy shit this game

my hp

this dude is still somehow alive

oh not anymore

lmao this dragon player SEVO 2 ifrit and i still won

he even went genesis face one

once

but i played 3 ginsetsu that game

[umbral seal]

I agree with the dragon lists that cut ifrit for garyu

Comes down a turn earlier and is a stronger board threat

Even in my own testing, garyu has been better

[gritty anvil]

still keeping epic tho

but going 1700 is hard

[umbral seal]

Yeah, you barely getting CR for winning after Epic

But lose a lot for losing

No meme decks from here on out

[gritty anvil]

man my list is actually really strong vs rune i only lose if they literally have coc into astaroth thats the only way kuon never kills me almost

[umbral seal]

So, you actually get a decent chunk if you beat someone higher rated than you

Which is basically what I expect in an ELO system. The game thinks you're supposed to lose.

Pretty much all these players are good so it is definitely going to be hard to hit Beyond

Also, the top player right now is Abyss at 1972. No portal player has above 1900.

Even the top dragon has 1909

[true abyss]

holding on to diamond with jerry coc

but it's almost auto concede vs sword

[primal isle]

someone did that shit to me for the first time 2 tablets then jerry into coc. that was crazy

[umbral seal]

Run lizards

Basic cards are not bad cards, gents. Always remember that.

Ultimate Rune player

[gritty anvil]

lmao i kill this guy with his own cocytus

haven

he was so stupid he could have prevent that

he played coc when i had on board sham

but he saved supervo

[umbral seal]

Well, even the top players aren't immune to misplays

[brisk adder]

Yeah that lion is fucking broken

It heals for 8

[umbral seal]

Y'all use "broken" way too freely

That lion is pretty fair, it costs 9 mana and only heals

In a deck that cannot kill you until turn 10 if they're going second and play izudia on curve

[blissful olive]

im seeing a trend here

[umbral seal]

I swapped devotees out for lizards

I'd highly recommend it

[blissful olive]

oh yeah

the ping was always good

[umbral seal]

It makes the sword match up so much easier

I was going second and had double lizard in hand

It was gg from mulligan

[brisk adder]

I thought the draws is strong

[umbral seal]

Devotee can't draw unless you have flames in hand or galmieux is already online

This is unreliable in my experience and believe me, my earliest lists ran devotee

He doesn't help the sword match up

The deck runs so much storm that you realistically don't need much draw outside of flames and dragonsign on turn 9+

And megalorca tutoring itself on overflow

Storm Dragon is essentially an aggro deck, and aggro decks, by nature, are light on draw power

That's the point

Decklist that's keeping me in 1650+ and will eventually carry me to 1850

[blissful olive]

everyone comes around to genesis eventually

[umbral seal]

Genesis was at 2 copies but I decided to cut my gilnelise's for a 3rd one and 3rd ocean rider

Just running all the damage imaginable

[blissful olive]

gil is pretty good and annoys the fuck outa aggro

[umbral seal]

Gil is good in a vaccuum but the merman package is already enough healing once neptune's crest is online. Doesn't fit in the deck

Additionally, far too often, I'd ramp to 10 pp and not be able to get her token. Meanwhile, my opponent's gilnelise has their token

I'd rather just have genesis dragons

The only aggro decks that really exist right now is Loot Sword & Storm Dragon. Storm Haven is also pretty good imo but hasn't picked up steam on the ladder yet

[blissful olive]

haven is even more of a meme

[umbral seal]

Aggro Abyss didn't get enough new tools to keep it competitive imo

[blissful olive]

now there win con is literally doing nothing lol

[umbral seal]

Crest Haven is pretty clearly tier 1

Downplaying the craft at this point is ignorance

Storm Haven isn't as good but still decent

[blissful olive]

yeah its just funny they went from having no win con

to doing nothing being the win con lol

[umbral seal]

Marwynn's damage stacks up pretty quickly

Plus, they have so many board clears that the 4 pp amulet that deals 4 split damage will always go to face

[blissful olive]

yeah and they have that 1 spell now

3 to all or something can enhance

[umbral seal]

Yeah. Honestly, that spell shouldn't deal 3 damage aoe. It should be 2. Consecration in hearthstone was 4 pp for 2 damage aoe

And it didn't have an enhance on 8

[gritty anvil]

i dont think rune is even that good rn

[blissful olive]

its still really good

[umbral seal]

The 2nd highest rated player in the game right now is Rune, so you're just wrong

[gritty anvil]

i cant climb for shit

with it

[umbral seal]

The only player higher than Rune is an abyss player at 1972

[blissful olive]

it'l be tier 0 until it rotates out which wont be for a long time

[gritty anvil]

maybe my decklist sucks

[umbral seal]

It is also not that easy to pilot at the highest levels

Which is something I've said forever but y'all refuse to listen

Like most of you would not even hit 1650 with Rune, I promise

[gritty anvil]

im 1400 rn lmao

i cant win game with it rn

[umbral seal]

Definitely not tier 0, as that implies it is far and away better than everything else. It's not. But it is top tier.

Crest Haven is closer to tier 0 than Rune is, simply because they have otk protection.

While just slowly burning you out

[blissful olive]

the barrier on leader is lowkey retarded lol

[gritty anvil]

ye

finally starting to win lol

sometimes u just go on lose streak

for no reason

should i kill her or not ?

should i evo ?

i actually dont know

[umbral seal]

No, but obviously hit with golem

No reason to spend evo there

[gritty anvil]

well i evo lol

but it was worth

in the end

i went face

with AG

[umbral seal]

I guess but with cocytus and d climb in hand, it feels like face damage isn't super important unless you don't get astaroth

[gritty anvil]

ye

i just need to survive and i should win

he still have no marwyn turn 7 lmao

this guy is cooked

bro i still lose that game lmao i double climb after coc and 0 astaroth

he had too much wall

i couldnt get through wards

[brisk adder]

You already won

Look at those hands

[gritty anvil]

he had 0 marwyn that game

no

i lost

that was so unlucky

i climbed 2 times

he had massive board and played on it jeanne

[umbral seal]

Climbing twice after cocytus and finding no astaroth is rare but I've had it happen

[gritty anvil]

well my first hand

was big

[umbral seal]

[gritty anvil]

that was problem

but second hand i had only 2 cards left

[cursive crypt]

this new card is actually so nice only card to make it to the roach list

@umbral seal btw this is my izudia list, most people dont run the 6 cost aoe but izudia decks have a hard time clearing boards like garyu, the 5 cost gold from abyss, and norman

so i added him

[umbral seal]

Surprised you don't run godwood to bounce izudia on the turn you play him

There's no guarantee you find the second one after you play him

[cursive crypt]

most of the time u will need the grimnir effect to clear

its just not worth spending 3 cost for no draw

this deck can win even without izudia anyway

vs aggro decks especially u dont need to play him

[umbral seal]

Eh, I disagree but I'd have to look at some other decklists

[cursive crypt]

vs abyss u have all the time in the world

poratal too

if the 2nd izudia is in the bottom 10 and u died before that then it is what it is

i tried adding tablet and it doesnt do shit

u can still be unlucky

and staff is just a waste of turn since u cant combo 3 for 90% of your turns

[gritty anvil]

dont tell him

he had barrier otherwise i would go full ham so i waited one more turn

and super evo to get rid of barrier

[umbral seal]

I would say the purpose is to not draw at all. The purpose would be a 0 cost bounce.

Damn, there's fuck all on sv wins

People really don't play forest

[cursive crypt]

yea except it costs 3

[umbral seal]

Sure, a 3 cost investment early game

You're not wrong

[cursive crypt]

idk ive played a lot of games and the chance where u can bopunce izudia is almost 0, almost as much as playing fennie without ramping

[umbral seal]

So you just drop him and hope for the 2nd one? I don't like that gameplan, personally

[cursive crypt]

yes, u draw a lot anyway

[umbral seal]

Seems the forest players still prefer roach overall

[cursive crypt]

most games u will thin your deck to 13-14

before the spell costs 2

roach is still better as long as u just dont run into sword

its better vs any other decks basicaly

well maybe not crest

i'd say izudia is better vs crest and sword and forest is better vs the rest

[umbral seal]

I do like the idea of tablet, though. Makes it easier to find the 2nd izudia if you have one in hand

Tablet's a pretty good neutral in general

[cursive crypt]

yea tablet is not bad, i tried it but sometimes my 2nd izudia was still almost the last card so i was like "this isnt worth it"

just get luckier

[umbral seal]

That's being a bit too results oriented imo. I'll try it, personally.

It's a better 3 cost investment than staff

[blissful olive]

where she putting her foot

[cursive crypt]

yes this i agree with

staff is just bad

if you really wanna bounce u can do it with bug alert but that delays otk by one turn

9 cost amalia is honestly a good win con too if you can keep bouncing it

[umbral seal]

Yeah, not worth.

[cursive crypt]

i've won with spamming just 9 cost amalia and then finishing off with gilnelisee + izudia token

cause gilne + izudia is 11 damage

if you dont get 2nd izudia that is

[gritty anvil]

holy shit this game was long i played that game 3 normans 2 sagelights

fuck terrible screenshot

but ye it was sword and almost killed me through all that

[gritty anvil]

bruh i removed gilnelise from rune and started winning more

that cant be coicidence

[fading echo]

every turn you draw gilnelise it's a turn you're not drawing a&g kuon & norman

[cursive crypt]

i said this before but kuon dclimb into gilne is 17 damage

its also healing

actually im gonna try out the gilne list see how it goes

[umbral seal]

The formerly top Rune player doesn't play cocytus. Personally, I don't agree with that. At 1x copy, it's just insurance

Obviously your main method of execution is kuon

I think Gilnelise at 2x is fine

[gritty anvil]

what healing u need to evo kuon

u mean outside of that turn ?

[umbral seal]

He means in the early game

[gritty anvil]

oh

well thing is

there is already so many evo targets

in rune

like gilnelise is literally only vs sword pretty much

in rune

[umbral seal]

Late game, you can gil, dclimb and kuon but you won't have board space to do 16 dmg

It'd be 14, realistically

[gritty anvil]

and again its on evo turn where u coining AG or bergerent anyways

i guess u can coin earlier

[umbral seal]

Depends on the situation.

[gritty anvil]

because u dont need coin on first evo turn

im playing my old list and i was doing better i dont know

[umbral seal]

A&g actually doesn't need evo as much as bergent & gil

Evolving a&g is really if you need the 3 dmg

[gritty anvil]

well if board is floded its important to evo AG

bergent vs sword can remove 3 stuff

but thats too specific

they need to have 2 follower 1 hp

like in for example abyss

gilnelise have massive value

because vuelle

like u can even heal for 9 on 9

[umbral seal]

Gil can also clear boards while healing you. Sometimes you need to delay your spellboost to stay alive

Like there was a game where, before their turn 5, I coined Forte and evolved

He played gil to clear it

[gritty anvil]

im gonna try still 2

[umbral seal]

He delayed his spellboost but staying alive is more important

[gritty anvil]

i kinda need 2 bergents for consistency especially vs haven

so im not exactly sure what to cut for gilnelise

for some reason

i facing so little sword

when i play rune

but when i play abyss

im facing tons of sword

maybe elo diff

like i feel like gilnelise is tech mainly vs sword nothing else pretty much

in rune

on turn 10 u want to do otherstuff

[umbral seal]

I cut bergent to 1, personally. She's good but not essential

[umbral seal]

When sword is half of gm, not including tech cards for it is risky, to say the least

Also, storm dragon is picking up steam

Like I will never cut the lizards from my dragon deck simply because of sword

[gritty anvil]

well in some match ups its so important to have her on curve or fast as possible vs like haven

or mirror

its so much spellboost overtime

if i have only 1 im never gonna draw her

[gritty anvil]

ye lizards are really good

there are many 1 hp targets now

in sword

[umbral seal]

I don't think it's that hard to get your climbs discounted quickly without bergent, personally.

Are we forgetting a&g's fanfare? That being said, I used to run 2 but Rune is running into the sword problem of having too many good cards

[gritty anvil]

AG fanfare is only 3 spellboost where bergent if u play on 5 its 2 on turn played and in total its like what 7 -8

thats big difference

[umbral seal]

only 3

[gritty anvil]

thats basically all u need to beat most decks bergent on curve on climb on starting hand and gg

now u just need to survie early game thats it

but againt

in this meta

only sword is aggresive

really

even dragon is not that aggresive

[umbral seal]

I think we've gotten so used to follower boost that we're forgetting actual spells exist

[gritty anvil]

and u can block it with AG storm turns

well im saying only 3

[umbral seal]

We can play the match up if you want.

[gritty anvil]

compared to AG

i mean bergent

its small amount

nah im done with SV today maybe other day

also gilnelise is sometimes really akward for example they play valse or forte

u cant even heal with her

[umbral seal]

Valse is why lists should run flames or William. Arguably both.

[gritty anvil]

i run 3 flames now

basically i return to old list i useed to play in evolved

and was doing fine

without gilnelise

btw i think i wasnt queing into enough swords with rune to really tell how good gilnelise was

[umbral seal]

150 more to go

[mystic tartan]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Shadowverse/comments/1n7wlyd/im_so_sick_of_loot_swords_degenerate_damage_to/

classic

[warped granite]

I'm surprised it's not that haven player Pendulumzone he was bitching 24/7 last set. Maybe crest haven is also OP so he lays low

[umbral seal]

Crest Haven is definitely tier 1, so I'm sure he's satisfied.

Wouldn't say "OP" as that implies it's unbeatable.

[mystic tartan]

i almost lost against haven crest

but he missplay

aether sevo lul

[mystic tartan]

[mystic tartan]

bruh Ginelise so broken against loot

[mystic tartan]

LIshenna portal so annoying to play bruh

[gritty anvil]

KEKW

i think if dragon had one good ramp it would be out of control strong af they knew what they were doing

[true abyss]

Welcome to the jerry coc club

[umbral seal]

Aight, fellas. Am I hitting ultimate today?

[gritty anvil]

ayo

i cooked this decklist

[mystic tartan]

epic games store

[fading echo]

they're hiding the bots on the leaderboards

https://fixupx.com/shadowversegame/status/1963498643849441565

Shadowverse: Worlds Beyond (@shadowversegame)

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FixupX · Sep 4, 2025, 7:05 AM

because bots were in the top class wins with portal since so many people gave up on playing it

but 220 wins just means the bots will show up again in a couple of days

[umbral seal]

Goofy, unsubstantiated claim. If there's a class that's populated with more bots, it's Sword due to the deck being fast, simpler to play and having less decisions to make overall.

Arguably Storm Dragon as well for the same reasons.

[fading echo]

this is how it looked like before they hid the bots

they could be real people that's true but the random letters for names and no profile customization at all is pretty bot-y

[umbral seal]

I will agree that looks like bot behavior

[gritty anvil]

15 face dmg on hand

ok i was wrong shes busted beryl

[true abyss]

Me meeting portal egg on ladder be like

https://tenor.com/view/food-cooking-breakfast-chef-kitchen-gif-12663585143112431404

[gritty anvil]

what u gonna do this about forest

he actually cleared but hes dead pretty much

lmao

[true abyss]

what kind of psychopath did i face

still won tho, 18 turn game

Bro literally said "gimmi all sword cards"

@gritty anvil "deal X damage split between followers" how does this work? Is it the left to right or right to left

[true abyss]

Also so me your list

Yo what is this forest Rikka guy playing, 2013 rating

[umbral seal]

2 more to go

The epic wall is real

I'ma go to the gym for now

[gritty anvil]

why sword out of any classes

have always zirconia on 4

even double zirconia is not uncommon

[umbral seal]

Most of my sword opponents have not drawn her at all

Nature of card games

[cursive crypt]

Always right to left, unless the card says "random targets"

[umbral seal]

Easiest way to think about it is the oldest follower played takes damage first

That's how I remember it

It's why people wondered why, on launch, glade would target snipe super evo'd Amalia

It's because she always comes first

[true abyss]

And how does it translate to my board

Is it mirrored

[umbral seal]

I don't understand the question

[cursive crypt]

Bro the oldest unit you played will die first

Same with them

[true abyss]

Ment to reply to abe mb, Right to left for my enemy board, and for my board? Idr which direction they go, yeah I get oldest to newest

[cursive crypt]

Left to right if it's your board, since the oldest unit is on your left most side

[umbral seal]

@gritty anvil Think I should buy the Forte alt art? I kind of prefer the default one more

[true abyss]

aight

[umbral seal]

Asking a fellow dragon main.

[true abyss]

Nahhhh the alt art it better

Do you know what the evo looks like for the alt?

[umbral seal]

I don't, actually.

But also, I don't think Forte should be lewded

[true abyss]

Found it

Idk depends on the animation, base looks better otherwise

[umbral seal]

Hmm.

Like, on a fuck-marry-kill list

Fuck: Galmieux (she's psychotic). Marry: Forte (queen). Kill: Filene.

[true abyss]

https://svgdb.me/cards/701441010 why don't we have a site like this for the new game

You can see animated

[umbral seal]

So, this alt art is clearly better imo

[true abyss]

Aura @umbral seal

[umbral seal]

Forte always looks good, tbh

Hard to choose.

I need to animate my fortes

[gritty anvil]

yes

[true abyss]

Do you have her animated? Show us

[gritty anvil]

no

i destroyed all animated

[umbral seal]

I stopped doing that recently, actually

I have so many vials that I just buy globes

[gritty anvil]

i dont because i dont buy BP

and i want to play all decks

so i need every bit of vials

gilnelise in dragon mirrors is so strong

because her effect is active very fast lol

[blissful olive]

yeah this game sucks lmao

[mystic tartan]

lemao

[gritty anvil]

lol

[cursive crypt]

Holy

Are u top 100 yet

There are only 3 classes that still don't have 100 beyond gamers

Portal forest and dragon

Don't remember the exact points tho

[gritty anvil]

top 100 ? what

not even close

i cant even reach that rank thats after epic

lol

[cursive crypt]

Wdym

Top 100 in forest and dragon is legit epic

Lol

These classes are not that good

But tbh I think roach is still good, just dodge all the sword

[gritty anvil]

my dragon deck pretty much auto lose to rach

roach

because coc is my only win con

and thats way too slow for roach

[cursive crypt]

top 100 dragon is only 1734 lol

[gritty anvil]

i was there almost

[cursive crypt]

I'll get gm tomorrow and start climbing

If I maintain diamond for the last 2k of master I'd have a good starting point

[gritty anvil]

portal kekw

[cursive crypt]

It's actually sad how much worse forest dragon and portal are compared to the other 4 classes

The other 4 classes' top 100 are full of beyonds

[gritty anvil]

abyss sword haven ?

rune

[cursive crypt]

Yes

You will need more than 1850 to get beyond in those 4

[mystic tartan]

kik

[mystic tartan]

2k till gm

xdd

[gritty anvil]

lol grapplr just had izudia spell lethal in take two

for 20 dmg

[umbral seal]

I got back to 1700 last night but it's hard

I put shark bois in my deck because too often, Genesis Dragons were getting cock blocked

@gritty anvil Also, the voice lines for Forte's alt art is a bit worse imo

[mystic tartan]

Xdd

[mystic tartan]

i meet a guy that triple neptune heal

almost lose

[cursive crypt]

[mystic tartan]

xdd

[umbral seal]

Round 2 of attempting to hit ultimate

[true abyss]

What's the current abyss mode list?

[gritty anvil]

every list is slightly different

some but core is always same

u should run pretty much all mode cards and rest are cerbs odins aragavy gilnelise vuelle and 2 drops like bellringers beryl or none u need to pick what to run from these cards

[cursive crypt]

btw i just got gm from sapphire and my cr indeed started at 1550

[gritty anvil]

yes

make sense

i was at 1500

as ruby

so ye differences are very small

@cursive crypt do u know any good tempo forest list ?

[cursive crypt]

There is none

You lose to literally everything except dragon

[gritty anvil]

ye lol

i was losing to tempo forest

as dragon

[cursive crypt]

You need to kill them by turn 7 or you can't win as tempo forest and it's pretty hard to do that unless every board you made just sticks

Sword has like 40 damage from hand so board don't matter as much

Forest just has Odin and roach

[gritty anvil]

dont forest run also dogged one ?

tempo forest

[cursive crypt]

trust me bro the deck is ass

[gritty anvil]

u think control forest is better ?

[cursive crypt]

you either dont have enough damage through opponent's healing, or you get warded to death

i think roach > control >>>>>>>>> tempo

[gritty anvil]

i mean roach i know is best lol

[cursive crypt]

tempo forest is the worst aggro deck you can ever play rn

[gritty anvil]

but its rune they can stabilize

[true abyss]

Show your list

[gritty anvil]

after game

2 hp kek

but they can still play benison and somehow stabilize

of course this moron stabilize omg

i cant kill his gilnelise

[true abyss]

Crest haven match up is pretty difficult for my list

[gritty anvil]

bro thats crazy he actually won

im not sure if i misplayed but actually stabilized from 2 hp

@true abyss

i need to craft sword deck just to have fast deck

[true abyss]

No vuella?

[gritty anvil]

i used to run her but im trying something else

[umbral seal]

ULTIMATE DRAGON

Just 100 more.

Taking a break for today.

[true abyss]

I faced a portal playing some psychotic list in AA diamond

[umbral seal]

Bets on me making beyond?

[true abyss]

Axia, devastating soprano, and Orchic

[umbral seal]

Orchis is bad in the destruction deck

She needs board space

[true abyss]

Yes, idk how he got to diamond

[umbral seal]

Getting to diamond aa is not hard

Getting to diamond master or gm isn't hard

Maintaining epic gm is hard

[true abyss]

I mean it's difficult with a terrible list, like one can't do it with abyss jerry

[gritty anvil]

holy fuck i just played vs fennie dragon and he almost deck out

he was forced to trade

with all genesise

all 3 were trading

[true abyss]

Okay I'm officially out of vials

[umbral seal]

I run a singular copy of cocytus in my Fennie deck because I lost to a deck out vs haven

[gritty anvil]

lol

[true abyss]

I have mode abyss, rune and half a dragon list

[gritty anvil]

i mean it make sense

coc is pretty good in this meta

because its slow

[umbral seal]

Do you want my dragon list?

[true abyss]

I can't make it

No vials

[gritty anvil]

chest farming with abyss is so fucking slow

i really need to craft sword

[true abyss]

Haven is the most cancer deck this season imo

[gritty anvil]

i had active 2 sham effect that game lmao

could chose 3 times

[true abyss]

Sham super evo is so clutch

In certain match ups

In the mirror you just save for their 9 mana lego

[gritty anvil]

is loot sword easy to pilot ?

it should right

[mystic tartan]

[mystic tartan]

Its fairly easy

[gritty anvil]

ye i won one game because i stole their jean and had lethal with 7 drop lol

[mystic tartan]

If u play it a few times

[gritty anvil]

jeanne

[mystic tartan]

I say its easier cus i got diamond more than sapphire

This season

[gritty anvil]

well i think loot sword is still harder than classic midrange sword right

u need to do more math

[mystic tartan]

lol im different

[gritty anvil]

normal midrange is just braindead

[mystic tartan]

I think loot is easier now

[umbral seal]

Wrong.

[mystic tartan]

Bro i played both

For me its easier

Than last season midrange

[umbral seal]

Loot has a low skill floor but you have significantly more decisions to make with the loot tokens

[mystic tartan]

yeah i guess im that kind of guy

[umbral seal]

Most notably, the fact that you can only fuse to a card once per turn

[mystic tartan]

Midrange sword i find it average i often lose

With loot i can 7 to 8 ws

[umbral seal]

How often you win is not the same as how difficult it is to pilot a deck

[mystic tartan]

Its why i play mostly rune and aggro abyss last season

Loot is easier cus i win more with it

[mystic tartan]

Bruh got a non dupe legend rise Lego

And its rodeo

[umbral seal]

Rodeo is not a bad card.

Great card, especially as a one of

[mystic tartan]

F2p need more vials

[umbral seal]

I feel like f2p fellas should play significantly more if they want to keep up, but maybe I'm just obsessed with the game

[umbral seal]

Don't tilt, don't tilt, don't tilt.

Not encountering as much sword so I swapped out lizards.

[umbral seal]

I'ma grind some more tomorrow.

[gritty anvil]

portal is so cooked in this meta only 18 beyond lol

[umbral seal]

Destruction isn't bad, just slow.

[gritty anvil]

lool aliastar is 99

in dragon

remember11 its him

streamer

[umbral seal]

You just need to barely be ultimate to be top 100 right now

Might change overnight.

[gritty anvil]

i was gettin crushed today

againts sword

with abyss

[umbral seal]

What does he run? Storm or Fennie?

[gritty anvil]

i think beryl is just bad vs sword

[gritty anvil]

im not sure

i think fennie

but not sure

i mean fennie still run storms

what u mean

[umbral seal]

Well, not necessarily. You just have to get the evo heal value or you die. Phildau/Bellringer are safer options.

[umbral seal]

Fennie Ramp runs Genesis dragons and a lot of draw for high rolls

They don't run nearly as much storm as my list

[gritty anvil]

man i want to know what first portal playing

[gritty anvil]

its hard to have evo value

[umbral seal]

Probably the same thing as everyone else, he's just better

[gritty anvil]

u cant just evo beryl

because they have wider board

usually

u need to play something that can kill multiple stuff

like gilnelise that 4 drop

[umbral seal]

Well, if you don't have aragavy's you're kinda cooked regardless

[gritty anvil]

well i run now 2

[umbral seal]

Congregant isn't as clean of an answer to Zirconia

[gritty anvil]

but i might start running 3 again

[umbral seal]

You should

[gritty anvil]

in tournament im gonna be tech vs sword

3 gilnelise 3 vuelle 3 aragavy

and if i still lose

its cooked

[umbral seal]

You don't really need 3 vuella when screaming and loathing exists

You're better off with the abyss apollo card

To handle wide boards more consistently

[gritty anvil]

i tried odins in mode abyss and they just rarely good but i still want atleast one copy and also 1 medusa im scared of norman double golem

[umbral seal]

I still see some classic midrange abyss that don't play faith. Vuella is fine there.

Any deck that doesn't have an otk or isn't crest haven should run at least 2 odins imo.

[gritty anvil]

vuelle is good in any abyss in my opinion

shes is just too good

[cursive crypt]

idk vuellla aint that good unless u have a bunch of ghosts, excella or mummy

[gritty anvil]

no againts sword

[umbral seal]

Vuella is good but the 3 drop slot is already pretty hotly contested in mode abyss. You're sacrificing too many other good cards to keep her in Mode Abyss.

[gritty anvil]

or heal for extra with gilnelise

[umbral seal]

I think Vuella is good in any abyss except mode

[gritty anvil]

also u can even buff her

with amulet

[cursive crypt]

you would rather play the 3 cost gold spell than vuella, or the apollo

[gritty anvil]

which is nice

[umbral seal]

I literally just told him this

Fella doesn't listen

[gritty anvil]

3 gold cost ?

[umbral seal]

Screaming & Loathing

[gritty anvil]

u talking about normal abyss ?

[umbral seal]

That shit is busted

[gritty anvil]

not mode

[cursive crypt]

u should run the 6 drop that thing is lowkey busted in this meta

even in mode abys

[gritty anvil]

i mean screaming and loathing is good of course

[cursive crypt]

6 drop zombies

[umbral seal]

The zombie? Yeah, it's a good set up for Cerberus

[gritty anvil]

yes vs himeka

[umbral seal]

Against crest haven, it's difficult to ever have a board

[cursive crypt]

most lists only run one himeka ur good

[gritty anvil]

i just want list

that have best chance againts sword

thats it

[umbral seal]

More than 1 himeka is just asking to brick

[gritty anvil]

and i still want to play mode abyss

[umbral seal]

Same with lists that run more than 2 benison

[gritty anvil]

i played today many games

vs sword and with beryl i keep dying

[umbral seal]

Just cut the beryl's

It's honestly that easy

[gritty anvil]

ye but thing is in some games

[cursive crypt]

2 benisons is fine if you run the barrier amulet yeah

[gritty anvil]

like rune or haven

she can solo win

its hard man

because if beryl stick on board

[umbral seal]

Okay, so you're sacrificing one advantage for another disadvantage

Pick a struggle

[gritty anvil]

and u start buffing her

its ova

but friend got almost 1800 rating

with beryl in deck

so i dont know

maybe hes dodging sword

[umbral seal]

Being 1800+ doesn't mean that list is objectively the best list

Anyone who's anywhere close to 1800+ right now is mostly due to min-maxing their mulligan and minimizing mistakes in-game

Everyone in epic+ is already running optimal lists, with flex slots like beryl vs bellringer/phildau

[gritty anvil]

i like more than bellringer that 2/2 ward

neutral

thats 2/5 later

phil is interesting choice but never tried

[umbral seal]

Bellringer is just for more consistent draw in case you somehow don't draw a single copy of S&L or castle before evos unlock

[gritty anvil]

2/5 later can actually save your ass

vs albert

played from hand

[cursive crypt]

bellringer just makes ur chaos cyclone a lot better

cause u summon her

[umbral seal]

Loot Sword can straight up kill you before turn 9 happens

[gritty anvil]

but shes still 0 atk she cant trade into anything

unless u buff her

[umbral seal]

You don't need her to trade into anything

Mode Abyss is already insane at board control

[gritty anvil]

well 70% games vs sword

i lose board

control

and they overwhelm with zirconia

and gg

[cursive crypt]

its some protection saves you 2 hp

[gritty anvil]

they can do really sneaky trades with loot cards

[cursive crypt]

u can just clear with 3 cost gold spell or the 4 drop next turn

or the apollo

[gritty anvil]

or that 4 drop guy that clears anything almost

[cursive crypt]

so many ways to regain board

[gritty anvil]

ok look

they play that 2 drop

that gives rush

and u use 4 dmg removal

on 1/1

and i lose the game

thts 3 drop spell is good

but if they have bunch of 1/2 or 1/1 its such low value

removal

and u cant even pick

its gamba

lets say they have on board 2/1 and play octrice

and your removal hit 2/1 u cooked

[cursive crypt]

honestly bro if they have lancer into octrice into zirconia every game u are just the unluckiest person ever

[gritty anvil]

well today was unlucky

[cursive crypt]

u also have to assume u have the eprfect hand when they do that

[gritty anvil]

i was losing into these perfect hands

because yesterday

i wasnt losing this much to sword

its just one of those days

u cant win for shit

vs certain craft

[umbral seal]

If you're trying to grind CR, close the game if you lose 2 in a row

Take a break, go outside, lift some weights

And then come back

[gritty anvil]

only 2 games ?

in row

losing

[umbral seal]

Losing 2 games in a row, at high CR, can be close to -40

So yes, I'm taking a break if I lose two in a row

Really depends on the CR of your opponent

In an ideal world, all your opponents would be higher rated, because then losing isn't as harsh

[cursive crypt]

im still in the 1600s and all i see is sword

[umbral seal]

I encountered like one sword player today

Fellas still trying to play roach and I just rush that ass down

I don't think I've lost a single game to roach as storm dragon

[gritty anvil]

bro there is someone on shadowverse wins who runs 3 reapers

in mode abyss

wtf

i understand thats for beryl

i mean bellringer

but still 3 seems too much

[umbral seal]

Reaper?

What card are you talking about?

[gritty anvil]

ye 1 mana removal

u sac your own stuff

[umbral seal]

Oh, deathslash

[gritty anvil]

yes

[umbral seal]

Deathslash in mode abyss is trolling

Don't always trust sv wins

What's their cr?

[gritty anvil]

honestly cant be sometimes these wins trolled ?

they can be switching decks

and say it was only with abyss

[umbral seal]

I mean, I think most of the people on SV wins are probably not lying/cheating

[gritty anvil]

because winstreaks carry over

classes

[umbral seal]

But 3x deathslash in mode abyss makes no sense

imo

[gritty anvil]

ye because that deck have almost no 1/1

just belringers

u gonna be sacrificing value targets which make no sense

[cursive crypt]

well u technically have 6 bellringers

[umbral seal]

Like if they're running soirees and zombies, you can maybe justify 2

But even then, I still would not do it

[cursive crypt]

i would try it tbh see if it feels good, doesnt sound like the best idea but u never know

[umbral seal]

Sure, but I've never really felt that mode abyss is lacking removal. They are vulnerable to early aggression because they run a small amount of 2 drops and they aren't favored against otk decks unless they can speedrun faith and start overwhelming the opponent with value.

[cursive crypt]

ye the only time i lose to abyss when i played roach was when they completed faith on turn 6 and then play congregant 2 turns in a row

[gritty anvil]

ye winning vs roach is hard as mode abyss

[umbral seal]

Well, as always, Roach is not popular

[gritty anvil]

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X · Sep 5, 2025, 9:44 AM

[umbral seal]

Even when it was the best deck, it wasn't

[gritty anvil]

aggro abyss

[umbral seal]

Hiding CR

That is bait

[gritty anvil]

it literally say hes top 20

no ?

[umbral seal]

"Master Ranking" is just how many points you have

[gritty anvil]

wait let me see his name if hes on ladder

[umbral seal]

That is not indicative of skill. CR is.

[gritty anvil]

oh

thats not for CR ?

[umbral seal]

Correct.

[cursive crypt]

brop he could be 1600 cr in abyss winstreaking

[gritty anvil]

oh i know what u mean

because he grind a lot

hes in GM 2

so hes high in master rank

[cursive crypt]

he prolly plays other classes to a high level already

[gritty anvil]

ye abyss aggro seems ass

there is too much healing

[umbral seal]

Also, 70k to get GM 2. I guess you actually need 100k to hit GM3

Not 80k

So it's literally the same grind as beginner to master

||I'm going to do it anyway but ugh||

[umbral seal]

Yeah, castle & rulenye are good inclusions but if you're not loot sword or storm dragon, trying to play aggro is kinda shit imo

At least in the tweet, he says his w/r is about 50%

Coin beryl into turn 2 castle can definitely be back-breaking

[gritty anvil]

i faced bunch of abyss aggro in ranked and always beat it in this new meta

because gilnelise evo turn

they are cooked

and if she survive

they need to kill her aswell

btw i think octrice isnt even that insane lego but turns out 1 mana 4 face dmg is pretty good

but i dont think shes like broken

[umbral seal]

She shouldn't be a 3/3 considering how good her fanfare is

[gritty anvil]

sinciro is better

[umbral seal]

She's not broken because sword is already filled with insane value cards

[gritty anvil]

ye

true

when i see zwei as lego

kek

she just feel like regular 5 drop

she should be just silver or gold

[cursive crypt]

wtf are these puny ass gains

i was never on more than a 2 loss streak

[cursive crypt]

merman is better than zwei

[umbral seal]

You need to beat people closely rated or higher. +12 means that person was significantly lower rated

If you lost, it'd be like 15-20

[cursive crypt]

i wanted to get epic today but i only went slightly positive

[fading echo]

what kind of animal plays this shit

[mystic tartan]

take two players

[fading echo]

he had lethal next turn with izudia but he didn't heal this turn so he died

he played 2 or 3 lions this match i must have done 30+ damage

[fading echo]

onion bricking is so fun he lost

[mystic tartan]

kik

yay tanoshii

[umbral seal]

That's just how it is some days. I was hard stuck at the 1650-1700 range for a bit before making ultimate.

Always take a break if you feel tilted and/or start losing.

[umbral seal]

Average control deck

[umbral seal]

Going to attempt to hit Beyond today

[umbral seal]

https://shadowverse-portal.com/card/101631050?lang=en

Nerfed version of her.

[mystic tartan]

weekend tourney in an hour or so

[mystic tartan]

surely i dont get 0-2

[gritty anvil]

oh shit tourney started right

[mystic tartan]

bruh i almost lose

cus i run out of cards

luckily my opponent is a newb

[mystic tartan]

bruh there is one guy turn 17

bruh turn 20

[gritty anvil]

gonna play tourney tomorrow

[mystic tartan]

bruh jerry in forest

[umbral seal]

Everyone who enters the lobby isn't try harding, although Jerry forest is weird

[mystic tartan]

3-1

not bad

i got fucked by rune

[gritty anvil]

[mystic tartan]

its just rune being rune

plus he got 2nd

[mystic tartan]

BROOOOOOO

is it time to try DRAGON

[gritty anvil]

bro u are not real

how the fuck

[mystic tartan]

idk bro

my account stacked

[gritty anvil]

your luck is so retarded

[mystic tartan]

[gritty anvil]

im blocking u

[mystic tartan]

[gritty anvil]

[umbral seal]

It's a good deck if you can afford it. Already posted my list earlier.

[mystic tartan]

alright ill try

damn is ganryu that good ?

[umbral seal]

Do you think I'd be able to maintain 1700+ rating if Garyu was bad?

He's in the deck for a reason

Never believe reddit scrubs

They're bad at the game

[mystic tartan]

[umbral seal]

The thing about the deck is that you just need to ramp once and an early garyu/neptune is very hard for most decks to deal with

I'm 3-0 in the lobby tournament right now with this deck as well

Lost to a tempo forest. Man curved out of his mind

[mystic tartan]

[gritty anvil]

ye tempo forest

is bane of dragon lol

if it was roach u win

tempo forest actually 4-0

thats kinda suprising

[umbral seal]

Well, not exactly. My first match was a tempo forest.

The last one just had an insane curve

Could've won if my list was running lizards, tbh

Oh well.

[gritty anvil]

tehre was 2 tempo forest ?

in your lobby?

[umbral seal]

Yup.

[gritty anvil]

lol

what u said u not cutting lizards from your list

why uremove them

[umbral seal]

Because I'm not encountering enough swords to warrant it anymore

[gritty anvil]

really ? i face sword most

in ranked

maybe migher mmr is different

[umbral seal]

It's just rng. However

[gritty anvil]

also lizards not doing anything vs abyss

actually u can trade into beryl

i guess

u can ping her

[mystic tartan]

bro crest haven is so annoying to play against

[umbral seal]

There's still some swords

But not a huge amount

[gritty anvil]

vs haven or rune lizards not doing anything pretty much

but vs forest or sword

they are very good

[gritty anvil]

1800 ?

[umbral seal]

1780 right now

Going to try to push for Beyond today

[mystic tartan]

Beyondge

[red plover]

is that the highest rank or is there more

[mystic tartan]

its the highest cr

[red plover]

probably gonna be way easier to reach once more players get to grandmaster

[gritty anvil]

beyond is 1850 ?

[umbral seal]

1850 and you have to be in the top 100 of your class

If you're not in the top 100, 1850 is legendary, not beyond

[umbral seal]

No, that's irrelevant

Beyond is actually the easiest right now

While there aren't that many players close to the top 100

[red plover]

yea I didnt know about the top 100 part, that changes things

[cursive crypt]

There's a list of tempo forest that runs 3 jerries

It's like a plan B when u run out of cards or if your hand is bad

Strangely enough it's the best tempo list

[gritty anvil]

that sounds so bad

when u run out of cards thats too late for jerry no ?

also u most likely out of normal evos aswell u need to super evo him

some decks running jery just for that 1 pp removal lol

[cursive crypt]

Well if your hand is good enough for you to play all of them you should win

The hard part is deciding if you should Jerry or when you should do it

[umbral seal]

You can also just play him for his token

You don't need to evolve him

[cursive crypt]

Yea his token isnt bad as well

It's the list of tempo that I've had most success with

[mystic tartan]

oh i run into one of them

[umbral seal]

I feel like evolving him in tempo forest is never correct

I'm almost positive it's just for the token

Cheap, helps with combos

[cursive crypt]

No you actually evolve him if your hand is not good enough, but it's not that often

But the token alone is helpful yes

[umbral seal]

If you're going to ever make that decision, it needs to be on the first evo

[cursive crypt]

Nope

[umbral seal]

You're just not going to win if you evolve him late

[cursive crypt]

U can do it on turn 7 if your opponent decides to heal for 12 for example

[umbral seal]

Unless you get insane rng on the deck

[cursive crypt]

I mean ur not winning with your hand or deck by turn 8 anyway

[umbral seal]

At that point, you're likely going to lose regardless

[cursive crypt]

Yes but you have a better chance with Jerry deck unironically

Plus since you are playing aggro deck your opponent most likely also spends all his Evo points

[fading echo]

dogshit fucking game

go first lose because going first doesn't get evo first

[red plover]

another tourney another 3-1, never 4-0

[fading echo]

[true abyss]

Went 3-1 again

Lost in mirror because opponent deck was more greedy and i had teched for haven

Mode abyss btw

[true abyss]

show

Abyss was the most common class in my tournament

What do you guys think about side board

[true abyss]

I think I'm missing 1x aria and 1x bald guy

[cursive crypt]

u can try to fit in titania if you like

glade and bug alert are cuttable

since ur "draw" will just be jerry

[primal isle]

I'm stoopid. I was grinding chests but I apparently got the emblem and sleeve already

[gritty anvil]

its still worth it

actually this event have high chance give u one lego per day

[red plover]

per day he says

[gritty anvil]

i mean chance is high