Shadowverse

[gritty anvil]

because u have no CR

[umbral seal]

Played it on my way there. Not interested in abyss mirrors.

[gritty anvil]

i kinda like phil

[umbral seal]

I used to not run Odin in this list but I'm getting annoyed by Wilberts in Crest Haven

[gritty anvil]

but not fan of serpents and undeath soldier

crypt kinda make sense

[umbral seal]

Soldier & Serpent is for extra combo damage, especially against Haven

[gritty anvil]

my list is heavier than yours

[umbral seal]

You need to kill them in one turn or you're likely not going to kill them at all

[cursive crypt]

Doesn't Medusa get rid of Wilbert

[gritty anvil]

but i dont know i usually dont struggle survive early games

u just need to mulligan for right cards

[umbral seal]

Correct. Medusa simply gets rid of him. Odin gets rid of him and does 4 damage.

Tell me which is better.

[gritty anvil]

yes

i run both kek

odin and medusa

honestly medusa is mainly for abyss mirrors and norman

or in general rune wide boards

[cursive crypt]

Odin is a 4/2 though and is shit vs rune

Medusa is a lot more playable I feel

[umbral seal]

It's not. It's additional storm damage.

Bad take.

It is very rare that Rune will not have a way to get rid of Medusa.

[cursive crypt]

Well you can get rid of Norman with it

Just more versatile

Medusa will never stick anyway

[umbral seal]

I already don't have issues with Norman with my list. Again, y'all fail to realize that if Rune is pressured, they will not spend Norman on golems

[gritty anvil]

ye no other cards at that cost can deal with norman tbh u would need combinations of cards

[umbral seal]

They will spend it on healing

[gritty anvil]

but even that its rng

[umbral seal]

You need to create situations where they don't feel comfortable using Norman for golems

[gritty anvil]

well sometimes u cant do it lmao

[cursive crypt]

But mode abyss does nothing the first 3-4 turns

Just draw draw

Maybe play a 3/3

[gritty anvil]

ye many times rune played on me

norman double golem

as abyss

[cursive crypt]

Yea it doesn't really go wide until later

Or put enough pressure

[gritty anvil]

im considering even cutting odin completely

adding one more medusa and something

but nah odin can be still goated

vs like haven or forest

u can remove some important shit for them

i just gonna keep playing my version

[cursive crypt]

If I were to play mode abyss I'd just not play odin

[gritty anvil]

and i prolly try it in tourney aswell

[cursive crypt]

Doesn't seem worth it

[gritty anvil]

u would run 3 medusas ?

[cursive crypt]

No

2 at most

[gritty anvil]

what would u add

whats not on that list

i think not playing vuelle is crazy to me

its literally one of the best card from infinity

[cursive crypt]

You could try that or just more cycle cards if there's even any that u aren't running yet

[gritty anvil]

actually i can see

running aragavy still

tthats not bad

[cursive crypt]

Wut

[gritty anvil]

i run vuelle in my list

[cursive crypt]

Ur not running aragavy? That's crazy

[gritty anvil]

i was talking about nba

[umbral seal]

I did that for awhile. Adding Odin was a recent change.

[gritty anvil]

ye

KEKW

ok i might try cutting odin for aragavy

but ye i just realize

cutting aragavy is kinda dumb

[umbral seal]

3x Aragavy is very necessary

[gritty anvil]

well i try only 2

[cursive crypt]

So I'm probably wrong or you play vs too many crest and went mad

[gritty anvil]

i can cut one gilnelise

for 1 aragavy aswell

[cursive crypt]

Just cut one cyclone man

That card ain't that good

[gritty anvil]

no

u want to play every mode card

i agree its not great

but u kinda must play it

[cursive crypt]

I mean you can play anything else man, it's not that needed

Not like you will ever have a hand where u don't have shit with mode on it

[gritty anvil]

well u finishing quest faster

[cursive crypt]

More than half your deck is mode cards

[gritty anvil]

its low cost mode card means on turn with sham u can fit it better

and post sham when cerb or foxes were played

its actually really good

u draw 1 and summon one

[gritty anvil]

yes thats the point

[cursive crypt]

Ye but surely cutting one of that wouldn't make a diff, it's mediocre and you have other cheap options already

Aragavy would just make more impact

[gritty anvil]

i dont think i need to run 3 gilnelise tbh drawing her on 3 doesnt do much

[cursive crypt]

Nah she's good af

It's healing before 10 and it's extra reach after

[umbral seal]

Raio deck

[umbral seal]

Y'all do not understand how top tier Crest Haven is

Even the subreddit is still denying it

Anyone who plays at a high lvl can see Crest Haven is clearly tier 1

Arguably tier 0

[gritty anvil]

ye it feels like it has answer to almost everything

and 5 dmg each turn

is just so strong

also heal for 10

lol

[umbral seal]

Like, I actually just added a 3rd genesis dragon to my deck because the last Haven player brought me to the reaper

I outlasted all his damage but I ran out of damage

Like I said earlier, if you don't combo them down in one turn or kill them early, you probably aren't going to

And if they expect lethal, they have counterplay for that too

[primal isle]

I have not won a game in 15+ matches not counting bots

[umbral seal]

What kind of deck are you looking for?

[primal isle]

I dunno

[umbral seal]

I need something more than that 🙃

[cursive crypt]

bro played 3 alberts 2 sinciro and lost

[umbral seal]

That's a lot of damage. I assume you're playing Control Forest?

[cursive crypt]

all of the alberts were enhanced too

[umbral seal]

I'm going to also assume you don't think roach is good in this meta

[cursive crypt]

its good if youre not vs sword

(impossible)

[umbral seal]

Yeah, nearly half of GM is Sword

🙃

[gritty anvil]

i had same thing 3 enhanced albert 1 or 2 sinciro dont remember exactly and i still won as abyss

[cursive crypt]

i had 5 hp on turn 7

[gritty anvil]

do u win sometimes without using izudia ?

i guess that 9 drop can win games

if they dont remove her

[cursive crypt]

vs aggro u doint need izudia

they will just rtun out of cards

[umbral seal]

Type of shit I need to do to win against Crest Haven

Would've lost another game to fatigue if I didn't put Cocytus in

[primal isle]

wait I'm doing it. I'm the emerald warlord

this deck is bretty fun

[umbral seal]

I met like two players playing that at high ranks. It honestly has potential but the cost changing shit just comes online too late

[mystic tartan]

my homie is so handsome

[cursive crypt]

Fuck him another season of sword

[unkempt lava]

5 win streak now using this

i tried out many slower tempo cards like orthrus, gilnelise, vuella, ceres, mukan, 3 undead soilder and medusa

but not to same success

[cursive crypt]

Aren't you just wasting your turns when u play soiree or crypt

[umbral seal]

Btw, if your CR is below epic, there's a setting to change that

@gritty anvil

By default, it's set to hide CR if it's below EPIC (1650)

Was so close and then I started losing

[cursive crypt]

Btw I was watching someone play and u lose so much more CR if you're on a loss streak

[umbral seal]

Yeah, I figured.

[cursive crypt]

He was losing 24 CR because of loss streak

Instead of normal 15-16

[umbral seal]

I was losing so much that the game matched me up with a Jerry Sword deck

[cursive crypt]

At least now we have real ranking of how good players are

[umbral seal]

I'm satisfied, even though I suck.

[unkempt lava]

cerbeus setup

[umbral seal]

Tunnel visioning on faith only is not how you should be playing the deck

Very clear you don't play it when setting up for Cerb is why you run those cards in the first place

[unkempt lava]

zombie is also a bitch to clear

yeah mode abyss power crept agro abyss

by the way i crafted 3 jerry

-10500

[mystic tartan]

i dont even need to craft jerry

already got 2 of him

[umbral seal]

Playing Jerry on curve is fine because it gives you Great Testimony, which is 1 pp - destroy a target

Thought it was bad to have multiples until I realized that

[mystic tartan]

damn jerry is voiced by the goat

https://tenor.com/view/kotomine-kirei-mapo-tofu-heavens-feel-gif-20212277

WTF this guy has 3 albert

in take two

[true abyss]

this is such bs

[mystic tartan]

lol

[true abyss]

got to saph with this

fucking hand

[umbral seal]

Back to winning. Changed the deck from Fennie Ramp to Storm Dragon.

Basically an aggro deck I found on SV wins. Actually used that site for once.

[true abyss]

show deck

[umbral seal]

One sec.

EPIC CR soon

The only difference between this list and the one I found is I traded 1 Garyu for an extra Gilnelise.

[true abyss]

i need 3x feet girl

how does this do vs sowrd, crest and Rune?

[umbral seal]

Stomps Rune pretty easily. Sword is pretty even. Crest is really dependent on how the hands are. Feels slightly unfavored but that's better than trying to out-late game them

Anyway, the person who made this deck is over 1800+ CR

[gritty anvil]

bruh u needed 1 more point rip

[umbral seal]

Eh, that's life. I'm almost back to 1650 again

@gritty anvil

Deck is very good.

[umbral seal]

Probably the only thing I'm gonna play until I hit Beyond.

[gritty anvil]

does this stay ?

or can u lose this ?

[umbral seal]

Of course you can lose it

[gritty anvil]

lol

[umbral seal]

You lose a game, you lose CR

Just don't lose.

[gritty anvil]

i though once u hit epic u already in that bracket

and cant drop below 1650

thats not how it works ?

can u test it ?

if u actually lose it

wait u cut fennie ?

what happen

[umbral seal]

I changed the deck entirely. Fennie, as fun as she is, is too unreliable

[gritty anvil]

ye its highroll card

[umbral seal]

Where did you see that? Because I was not under the impression that it works this way

[gritty anvil]

well i mean if it work like promotion

u should not lose it

im not saying i saw it somewhere

[umbral seal]

There's no "win 2/3 to get to the next tier" type shit. You just gain pts and it's suddenly "promoted"

[gritty anvil]

well if u drop below 1650 again

[umbral seal]

I'm pretty sure your CR can demote

[gritty anvil]

tell me if epic stay or not

[umbral seal]

Well, if I drop below 1650, I'll let you know lol

[gritty anvil]

ok

[umbral seal]

I played another game after and killed a Sword player so

[gritty anvil]

maybe u can reach beyond

[umbral seal]

I dunno why you're capping. I will hit Beyond.

[gritty anvil]

and be like in top 5 beyond dragon players

[umbral seal]

I'm not sure if I'll be top 100. My current CR puts me around top 150 dragon players.

[gritty anvil]

there are only like 5-10 ppl

in beyond

with dragon

[umbral seal]

Well, if they keep winning, I'm sure they'll keep going higher into like 2k+ territory

[gritty anvil]

yes but beyond is peak there is nothing more

im too lazy to grind

these ranks

[umbral seal]

Yeah, but also, you gave up on Dragon

You were supposed to be our Dragon simp

[gritty anvil]

no i still play

[umbral seal]

What happened

[true abyss]

i dont think ill hit GM this season, im still in A2

[gritty anvil]

but not as much

well i want to play other classes aswell

[true abyss]

it will take me an insane amount of games to hit GM this season

[umbral seal]

It's not impossible but you'd have to play a lot. How many ranked wins do you currently have?

Because it takes around 400 ranked wins to hit Master. Should take less than 100 additional wins to hit GM (it's only 20k more pts)

I think I have around 1500 ranked wins at this point. Let me double check

[umbral seal]

JK, I lied.

[true abyss]

i also dropped to topaz for a bit while meming with jerry

[umbral seal]

Yeah, you'd have to get about double the amount here.

[gritty anvil]

ye if u want to climb fast dont play meme shit

[umbral seal]

Assuming you're in sapphire+

[gritty anvil]

i recommend playing sword

for fastest climbing

[true abyss]

that will make me burn out fast, instead ill accept the fact that ill not hit GM tbh

[umbral seal]

Everyone will hit GM eventually, just like everyone will hit Master eventually

Everyone will not hit EPIC CR

[true abyss]

i mean this season

[umbral seal]

Because that's an actual ELO rating

[gritty anvil]

btw did u get anything for hitting epic ?

like sleeve or feats

[umbral seal]

Besides the fancy title next to my name, no

[true abyss]

i dont like playing the most popular deck, since it gives me an out in blaming the meta deck instead of my misplays

[gritty anvil]

its funny there arent any portal in beyond

[umbral seal]

You can still misplay with a tier 1 deck

Tier 1 decks just mean that misplays are less likely to lose you the game

[true abyss]

thats the point, if i play the best deck, i have less of a reason to blame something else and cope

[umbral seal]

Destruction Portal is a slow ass deck. Crest Haven can actually burn you out pretty quickly.

While playing the long game.

This isn't to say that Destruction Portal is bad. Just very slow.

[umbral seal]

Eh, I think it's fun to learn the nuances of any deck, whether it's OP or not.

[gritty anvil]

yes crest is better slow deck

than destruction

@umbral seal damn i notice your deck have 0 card draws

[umbral seal]

It's basically an aggro deck, that's the point.

[true abyss]

Beyond numbers:
Forest: 5
Sword: 45
Rune: 36
Dragon: 6
Abyss: 16
haven: 28
Portal: 🥚

[gritty anvil]

only 6 dragons ye i was about right

[umbral seal]

Also, not my deck. Lemme credit the fella I got it from

[gritty anvil]

oh i though its yours

[umbral seal]

https://shadowverse-wins.com/?more=10&leader=D&mp=GrandMaster&seasonId=63&format=rotation&group=topaz

He's not quite in Beyond yet but after playing the deck myself, it's definitely good and the card choices make sense.

The only thing I did was I cut 1x Garyu for another Gilnelise

[true abyss]

also highest rating guy is Abyss with 1920 points

[umbral seal]

I wonder if Aggro Abyss made a surprise resurgence

Definitely possible

Because Modal Abyss, while good, is very slow.

[gritty anvil]

rune is kinda safest deck to play

because it can beat anything

no match up is really that horrible

maybe roach

[true abyss]

you have to beat rune, crest and Haven, i think aggro abyss can do that

[true abyss]

roach sucks vs other meta decks

[gritty anvil]

but i was winning with rune

even vs roach

[umbral seal]

Eh... sort of. Even Rune struggles to keep up with Loot Sword's burst damage.

This dragon list also farms Rune

Crest Haven also has that temple card that gives their face barrier, which is OTK protection

[gritty anvil]

is rune really struggling with sword ? i think they should pretty easily heal out of range no ?

[umbral seal]

If you time it correctly, Sinciro + Octrice spell is 12 damage (13 with gilded blade) on 8. Albert is another 12 on turn 9.

If they still have another normal evo, it's another 12 damage with gilded boots

Rune has a lot of healing but their healing is not infinite

[gritty anvil]

thats not enough with one norman played

they would need to be already hurt

[umbral seal]

Sword already doesn't have an issue getting in early chip damage

Like, I think we're pretending Rune has double or even triple Norman every game. They don't.

On average, 1-2.

And Sword can burst through that.

[gritty anvil]

well i mean early game dmg they can heal with sagelight and norman between sinciro and albert

[umbral seal]

Also, keep in mind that playing Norman delays your own win con.

[gritty anvil]

also they can just cocblock albert on turn 9 with anne grea or kuon

[umbral seal]

Like that match up is more Sword favored than it's ever been imo

[gritty anvil]

but i would need to play that match up first

to really tell

[umbral seal]

It is not likely that they will have saved either of those cards before turn 9. You're pretending the Sword player did not pressure the Rune player before that point

[gritty anvil]

how it feel

im gonna play rune eventually

again

but now its boring

they have nothing new

[umbral seal]

I wouldn't say nothing. Some Rune players are running Gilnelise, actually.

For even more healing. That's how Sword favored the match up is now

That they resorted to that

Like, I actually saw multiple GM Runes doing it

[gritty anvil]

ye but overall its really small upgrade

i dont even know

what i would cut

for gilnelise

[umbral seal]

Fuck if I know. I'm a dragon one-trick until I hit Beyond.

[gritty anvil]

but u used to be sword one trick

[umbral seal]

I mained Sword back when everyone thought it was mediocre in Legends Rise (it wasn't)

Had multiple people, even in this channel, acting like it was unfavored against Artifact Portal. Never was.

[gritty anvil]

wait u mained sword in infinite no ?

[umbral seal]

Somewhat. I hit 500 wins and then I started playing other shit. In the end, mained aggro abyss.

Like, you can see my ranked wins has barely went above 500 at this point, because that's how much I've been playing other classes.

I tried out some loot sword on my climb to GM but it felt inconsistent for me. Maybe bad luck.

[gritty anvil]

ye bad luck

because its most succesful deck overall

[warped granite]

I was watching people like spicies and he also didn't breach 70% wr with the deck, it's probably just the reality for aggro

[mystic tartan]

yeah aggro fell off

i do find it easier to kill haven crest than lishenna portal

as a loot

[umbral seal]

Maybe I'm tripping, but I think CR exists even before GM, but it's just hidden

Also think showing CR should be the default option even if you're below EPIC but maybe that's just me

[warped granite]

I mean they still have most people at highest mmr so I wouldn't say that but they're just probably not consistent

[mystic tartan]

yeah cus sword loot the only viable aggro rn

[umbral seal]

Definitely not the only one. Dragon has an abundance of storm right now.

[mystic tartan]

i rarely seen dragon

so many haven crest tho

wtf

i thought this craft is unpopular

[umbral seal]

Popularity is not always equivalent to deck strength. While it may seem counterintuitive, balls-to-the-wall aggression is the best strategy against Crest Haven

Which is why I changed my list. Trying to outlast them with Fennie & Cocytus worked sometimes, but other times, I'd just die to their burn damage.

[mystic tartan]

either way im only playing loot or rune cus i dont havel vials

i gamba in take two

already 0-2 twice

[umbral seal]

I'm not spending a single piece of gold on Take Two until they change the price

If it turns out they're never doing that, then so be it

[mystic tartan]

[gritty anvil]

lol

[mystic tartan]

well its only -800

bro i got 2 fucking Kage shit for my lego

[gritty anvil]

from what

legendary pack ?

oh take two ?

[mystic tartan]

from the take two

draw

[gritty anvil]

i mean kage

[mystic tartan]

[gritty anvil]

is not that bad

in take two

[mystic tartan]

so unlucky

i mean 2 of them

[gritty anvil]

its fine

[mystic tartan]

its not fine lmao

Kage is outdated

[gritty anvil]

if they keep returning thats annoying for enemy

he is outdated but still pretty solid in take two

[mystic tartan]

me when i saw my enemy playing Yurius and Kage comeback

[gritty anvil]

lol

[true abyss]

average midrange swordcraft player be like :

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Shadowverse/comments/1n6f6ij/this_game_is_so_stupid/

They made the old decks practically impossible to win against the new decks. I don't enjoy using the new decks that's why I wanted to stick to what I like. This deck that I was using usually gives me 5 to 10 win streaks before the new stupid cards arrived. It's so unbalanced

[red plover]

if he didnt even add any of the new cards to update his old deck then thats completely on him

[mystic tartan]

he doesnt play Rune

thats the problem

[true abyss]

he didn't like the new swordcraft because it isn't as braindead as midrange sword

[silver tide]

https://youtu.be/TJPC7v8Riyc

midrange royal with smaller loot package

no sinc

2-0 vs crest bishop in the vod at least

[umbral seal]

I don't see how classic midrange ever beats Crest Haven, tbh.

I feel like that's a very Haven favored match up without the burst damage from Sinciro

[silver tide]

idk he just slapped the shit outta them

it does take a hot minute to set up 5 crest

and you need to draw marywynn

game 2 bishop had marywynn on 4 and evo on 4

and still lost

marwynn evo on 4 into coin wilbur 5 evo

[umbral seal]

Feels like if Haven doesn't have Marwynn on 4, they have the 5 drop that can potentially pull him

[silver tide]

kinda like

the best possible 4 and 5 for crest i think

[umbral seal]

Depends if they also had Grimnir on 3

Crest order is somewhat important in that regard

[silver tide]

no grim on 3

its a good list if you dont wanna craft too much from this set

he usually plays to keep his board around 3 wide

[mystic tartan]

so far Sinciro is my fav leader

ngl

[silver tide]

i didnt take a close look at the new sword gold

[mystic tartan]

but all of them good

well the ones i got

[silver tide]

but being able to play it on 5 since he gets the +1 atk and rush treasure

makes him basically a early game evo minion without needing actual evo point

4/3 rush deal 3 to random enemy

[umbral seal]

Zirconia is already one of the best 4 drops in the game, and then they released that guy

[silver tide]

i dont like the look of pure loot since its like

gildaria is so powerful

for how little real setup you need if you play a more standard list

it just doesnt seem right to play aroudn sinc and give up gildaria

[umbral seal]

More people are playing Loot Sword for a reason. The extra burst from Sinciro is absolutely worth it

Not to say Gildaria is objectively bad but that extra reach is too good to ignore, even if it requires more set up

[silver tide]

the loot pieces giving them access to healing is kinda wack tbh

feels like every class is becoming a

i can do everything class

[mystic tartan]

lmao i stalled this mofo

bro got no albert

[umbral seal]

For what it's worth, I'm fairly certain the loot cards are the same as they were in SV1

I'd need to double check

Actually, most of the loot cards from SV1 got buffed.

Gilded Necklace lost 1 atk but it gives ward now.

Blade never went face. Goblet could only heal followers and boots didn't give +1 atk.

https://shadowverse.fandom.com/wiki/Remnant_of_Hollowness

Definitely a nerf from the current version, since this got put in your hand automatically from evolving Octrice.

[silver tide]

this crest haven had god curve and rolled 2nd

lets see if it s winnable

[umbral seal]

I'm going to assume you're still playing Sword.

[silver tide]

yeah trying htat list

repose grim marywnn evo in that order 2 3 4

he just

[umbral seal]

Yeah, the only thing that would've been better was turn 1 amulet

[silver tide]

ffed

[umbral seal]

[silver tide]

on 5

[umbral seal]

Were you stomping that hard that early?

Odd.

[silver tide]

he got unlucky on random banish

how do you watch vods

wait i fucking reinstalled windows i dont have recording software

one sec

[umbral seal]

Lower rated players concede too quickly, imo. That card is random for a reason. I doubt it was game-losing.

Actually, the fact that it's non-target banish basically cucks Lilanthim

[mystic tartan]

Lilanthim

i like the design

[umbral seal]

As if Earth Rite needed more indirect nerfs

Also, I think the Raio deck has potential but it needs more cards that alter card costs before t9

Don't think Cygames will ever print a way to get him out earlier

[gritty anvil]

@cursive crypt did u play againts aliastar ?

he played vs someone with titania leader and izudia deck maybe that was u

[umbral seal]

Who?

[gritty anvil]

hes streamer

dragon player

[silver tide]

https://youtu.be/yOWVzJHv78k

replay

[mystic tartan]

bruh i just realized i dont have a single ho-chan

Sadge

im washed

[gritty anvil]

same

[silver tide]

won a duel vs loot

amalia is still the goat

[mystic tartan]

i go 2nd vs rune
i put quickblader
bro doesnt have anything (3 pp draw 2 omegalul)
bro forfeit

[umbral seal]

What variant of Dragon does he play and at what rank?

[cursive crypt]

I'm not even GM yet so unless he's also still in master it couldn't be me

Izudia is more popular than roach currently

Because it has a better chance vs sword

[true abyss]

@gritty anvil @desert sphinx suddenly, Rune has 45 beyonds, that makes it a close 2nd after sword at 50

[mystic tartan]

Fuck this card

[cursive crypt]

diamond tier deck

bro the last guy

was so dumb

he just left izudia on the board and went to hit my face

[lone agate]

I got very quick to master sapphire with this fun to play

[cursive crypt]

so many goofy ass decks now

[lone agate]

having fun vs everything

but heaven crest

[gritty anvil]

wtf my first ho chan

[gritty anvil]

eh coc with tablet but without jery and fennie

[cursive crypt]

really? i woulda thought dragon would struggle a lot more vs sword

but haven is really strong right now yeah

[lone agate]

yeah its the only deck idk what to do

[cursive crypt]

its quite a slow deck tho

so u can prob play fennie for free

[umbral seal]

Playing Fennie is almost never free

Why do you always have goofy ass takes on decks you refuse to play?

[cursive crypt]

well by free i mean u can play fennie vs them compared to something like sword or rune

cause what is haven gonna play on turn 6-7

priobably one unit

vs rune u will be looking at norman/anne grea

its just much easier time

[umbral seal]

While you're less likely to outright lose for playing it, you can still be punished with damage for doing so

Sword is the only craft where I don't keep Fennie in my opening hand

Or rather, I just lose if I do

[cursive crypt]

ye u just cant be greedy vs aggro decks

[cursive crypt]

lets be honest u always expect to take damage after playing fennie

but 6 damage and 3 damage is not the same

[umbral seal]

I'm aware. I actually play the deck 🙃

My version of Fennie nearly hit epic before I went on a wild losing streak

Basically retiring Fennie until dragon gets more ramp

[cursive crypt]

yea i cant imagine playing fennie without ramp

[umbral seal]

(Looking like never at this rate)

[cursive crypt]

its already hard to play her when ur ramped up

[umbral seal]

It wouldn't surprise me if next set is the same thing

[cursive crypt]

honesstly though, if dragon gets another ramp card it has to be the same tier as dragonsign

if its a good ramp card dragon is gonna go wild

if dragon gets to consistently ramp 2x a game i think it's a tier 1 deck

[umbral seal]

Even if the ramp card is mediocre, it can very easily break dragon. It's why the devs just refuse to print ramp at all

[cursive crypt]

if they didnt print neptune it might be fine for dragon to have another ramp card at the moment

but yeah i agree dragon would just soar if they are given another ramp card even if its mediocre

[gritty anvil]

yo my rewards are good today

[gritty anvil]

finally

[umbral seal]

Vials

[gritty anvil]

oh shit 2 beyonds in portal

[gritty anvil]

ye i was crafting a lot of shit

i want to know what they playing

well of course destruction eggs

[umbral seal]

Probably destruction still. Just took longer to get there.

[gritty anvil]

but what list exactly

haven rune sword are all very close

[umbral seal]

Gonna try to hit Ultimate today.

[gritty anvil]

actually its possible those portal players playing classic puppets

doubet its artifacts

[umbral seal]

Really doubt that, because they were already unfavored vs Sword & Rune before. That not only got worse this set but they should also be unfavored against Crest Haven.

Your deck doesn't need to be favored against all of the top 3 but it definitely needs to have a fighting chance.

[gritty anvil]

well portal now got much better draw engine that was issue before in puppets

[umbral seal]

Running the 2 cost amulet in puppets will help with draws. I still don't think it makes them a competitive ladder deck.

[umbral seal]

The issue in puppets is that you often have so many puppets in hand that you cannot afford to draw without milling, outside of cards that cycle like Ruby which will simultaneously reduce your hand size to draw more

[gritty anvil]

i could try something like this

2 pp amulet is so busted

and u have 5 ways to destroy it so its prolly not gonna stay on board

only issue is that this deck have no heal

i would need to run sylvia

well eudie can have heal but thats small

[umbral seal]

@gritty anvil

As I expected, you do not keep your CR

Just gotta keep winning

[gritty anvil]

lol

im at 1575 with abyss

but again im not grinding ranked i just do chests

do u really get new stuff when u reach GM 3 ?

is GM 3 max ?

[umbral seal]

I'm not sure if it's the max but I do know that you get the exclusive GM sleeves for hitting GM3

[gritty anvil]

how much points u need ?

wait GM rank resets when season ends ?

[umbral seal]

Well, I thought it was 50k after hitting GM but I think it might be 60k actually

So 80k in total from season start.

[gritty anvil]

fuck 80k is alot

i dont know if i can reach it

whats most expensive deck currently ?

its abyss right

my list running 19 legos lol

[umbral seal]

Probably. Maybe Crest Haven.

[cursive crypt]

nah crest haven doesnt run as many legos

because they no longer play 3x salefa and jeanne

and himeka is optional

[gritty anvil]

man i wish they did change u can pick any set pack u want from take two as win reward

dragon can be also thicc on legos

but i dont think more than abyss

[gritty anvil]

damn 3 golds

wait 4

im blind

[mystic tartan]

hes a yugioh player

[blissful olive]

clearing the board

[blissful olive]

proof cygames is racist

[gritty anvil]

how is that racist ?

[blissful olive]

yes

[gritty anvil]

explain it

[umbral seal]

Promoted to epic again. Took me all fucking day.

@gritty anvil Maintaining even 1650 is hard as fuck, honestly.

I dunno how these fellas do it

I'ma get to Beyond, but it might take me more than a week.

[gritty anvil]

they just grind harcore i guess and keep making changes to deck i guess depends what they facing most ?

[umbral seal]

This requires more than grinding. It requires never misplaying, even in the mulligan.

Not a case of "everyone will hit high cr eventually"

[gritty anvil]

well its still rng even mulligan can fuck u over its not like mulligan always wins lol

[umbral seal]

Sure, sometimes there's games that you're not meant to win

But you'll maintain higher than a 60% w/r if you always maximize your odds of winning at every step

[gritty anvil]

well ye if u want to be beyond u cant be misplaying at all

[umbral seal]

Tbh, I definitely misplayed a few times today, just didn't get punished.

🙃

Other games I don't think I misplayed once but still lost. That's life.

[gritty anvil]

i misplay too but i dont take it seriously

[umbral seal]

I will say that I have underestimated running 3x Garyu

Reddit propaganda made me think he's a bad card but he's not

[gritty anvil]

im only hard focusing when playing in weekend lobby or GP

or take two i guess

nah garyu is actually good in this meta

i lose games because i had no way to remove him

clears 2 stuff goes face protect your face and its hard to remove

well can clear even 3 but u want to go face usually with ward

interesting is that cerberus can clear him

if 5/4 have shield

[umbral seal]

Yeah, I've been having the most success with my own variation of the deck I found on SV wins.

Usually cheese a lot of games with Forte

[gritty anvil]

i like your deck but i just dont like u dont have single card draw

u basically rely whole time on topdecks

[umbral seal]

I swapped the dragon chick for devotee, so there isn't zero draw, especially with flames

[gritty anvil]

oh

[umbral seal]

Like, you don't need that much draw in a deck that has a fuck ton of storm

[gritty anvil]

whos dragon chick ?

5 drop ?

[umbral seal]

It's like saying aggro is bad because they run low card draw. That's just the nature of aggro/storm decks.

[gritty anvil]

i mean even sword have card draws tho

and thats aggro deck

[gritty anvil]

oh

this card is so bad vs abyss lol

[umbral seal]

I swapped her out because, far too often, I would need to use flames but it just suicides her and does nothing

Devotee is better

If in overflow, devotee + flames draws you two cards, even

[gritty anvil]

yes

devotee can potentially draw a lot

even 3

[umbral seal]

The orca 2 drop also draws itself in overflow.

So there is some deck thinning

But again, you don't need much because of how much damage is in the deck

[gritty anvil]

i mean previously midrange abyss

had only 3 olivia as card draw

and was usually enough

because soiree was kinda like card draw

[umbral seal]

I ran bellringers in midrange abyss before this, tbh

Soiree is a good card but I can't call that card draw

[gritty anvil]

well its not really card draw but gives u plays

more options

its basically 2 drop into 3 drop

in one card

and u can also fill 1 mana later

with ghost

but in mode abyss

[umbral seal]

Again, I agree it's a good card. Just not card draw. Doesn't help you find answers if you're in a shit situation

[gritty anvil]

that card is just not good

i tested it

[umbral seal]

Well, the problem with running it in Mode Abyss is that, more often than not, your hand is full

So it would be difficult to play soiree

[gritty anvil]

ye

also soiree is still kinda tempo lost aswell because u playing understated stuff 2 mana 1/1 and 3 mana 2/2

[umbral seal]

Like, the only 3 cost spell you run draws itself. Then draws a follower on the last one. Then you have castle. Then there's chaos cyclone, and potentially a copy of bellringer

That deck has a pretty good draw machine

[gritty anvil]

i dont like cyclone but u kinda force to run it

[umbral seal]

Mode Abyss basically powercrept Midrange Abyss.

[gritty anvil]

yes

its better in every way

[umbral seal]

I wouldn't say "forced" but imo, it's only good enough to run as a 1 of

[gritty anvil]

basically

[umbral seal]

Mode Abyss is tier 1 imo but very vulnerable to aggression, because of how much they want to be spending the first few turns drawing cards

You also don't really want to play Sham Nacha for tempo unless forced to, e.g. against sword

[gritty anvil]

nah if u know how to mulligan that deck can survive early aggresion pretty easily

[umbral seal]

Screaming & Loathing and Gilenelise are really what you want to find

But if you don't find those and don't find a 2 drop, an aggressive opponent will basically cook you

[gritty anvil]

also that 3 drop that does aoe

is very good

vs 1 hp stuff

basically better apollo

5 mana 4/4 ward can stop forte turn

[umbral seal]

I only play Forte when I know I can go face with it. Or when I know I won't die from leaving an enemy follower on the board

It's basically forcing your opponent to have an answer or die

[gritty anvil]

and that 4 drop 4/4 deal 3 or heal 2 is insane

[gritty anvil]

i know but u denied their forte turn they basically ramp into it so because thats usually what u want to do if they dont have ward

playing forte face

as soon as possible

if board isnt that threating

if u play ward u kinda make it akward for them what to do at 6 mana vs 2 4/4 wards

also forte at 6 is very strong play vs gilnelise

because they cant heal

[umbral seal]

I've been playing against Mode Abyss and either they didn't draw Congregant or I created situations where it wouldn't have helped them.

Because let's say I play Forte, go face for 7 and you respond with Congregant, there's nothing stopping me from using my next turn to clear and go face again for 7

[gritty anvil]

but ye i like abyss rn because u have actually more options than classic midrange

it feels more clean to play

even for rune dealing with abyss is not easy

but i hate playing vs haven

that match up is aids

i think that must be abysses worst match up

rune

i mean haven

[umbral seal]

I think that match-up is Rune favored unless you're running the zombie cards

[gritty anvil]

they can also banish your shit which feel awful lock your board

[umbral seal]

Crest Haven is annoying for any board based deck because they have what feels like endless board clears and they burn you down while doing it

[gritty anvil]

i only lose vs rune if they do coc combo

vs kuon i almost never lose

as abyss

because i just ward it

do u think this meta is better than previous one ? @umbral seal

[umbral seal]

It's more diverse but Rune still needs adjustments imo.

And when I say adjustments, I don't mean taking away their otk combo, but making it harder to get there, while also dissuading them from running earth rite cards in spellboost

SB Rune without Norman is significantly weaker. I also think D-Climb should cost 20, not 18.

Even that minor adjustment would have a pretty large impact

[blissful olive]

norman is actually the only reason SB is alive

he saves them the game

especially if ur not runnign shit like edel its even worse

[umbral seal]

Just bumping his ER cost to 2 would do a lot, because he usually comes down with evo

[blissful olive]

kinda funny

thing keeping SB alive is an ER card

[gritty anvil]

i think they wanted hybrid rune to be viable

[blissful olive]

of course

[gritty anvil]

there is no way they werent aware of that norman gonna be good in spellboost

[umbral seal]

Yeah, but this wasn't a thing in sv1 and now we see why

[umbral seal]

Tempted to grind to ultimate tonight but I know I'ma start rage queuing if I go on a lose streak

I'll get back to it tomorrow

[umbral seal]

@gritty anvil @cursive crypt Just started a ranked game with sword, you start at 1600 ELO

[mystic tartan]

won against lishenna portal as loot sword

this bitch cant heal faster than my sinciro+alberto combo

[gritty anvil]

lol winning as sword vs portal isnt that hard

[umbral seal]

While loot sword does take more of a brain than midrange, yeah, that's not a hard match-up

[mystic tartan]

shut up

i got fucked 2 times by portal

cleared my board

let me celebrate

[mystic tartan]

Diamondge

[umbral seal]

Why are you not GM yet

[mystic tartan]

busy with Trails after patch on

im climbing now cus i got Sinciro

[unkempt lava]

I think i gotten tirple premium gold cards from chests

[mystic tartan]

alright Loot sword is retarded

[mystic tartan]

SINCIRO DESTINY DRAW 🗣️

[gritty anvil]

bro i think playing 1 drops in abyss is so ass

in mode abyss

bro thinks wards save him

valse is main reason i run still 3 aragavy

that 4 drop clears it too but u basically lose heal for 4

i can already play loot sword too if i wanted

i have enough to craft 3 sinciro

[mystic tartan]

yeah i got fucked by one guy running aragavy

i still have 40k vials

maybe ill try mode abyss

[gritty anvil]

if u have vials

u should craft crest haven

its stronger than mode abyss

but ye abyss overall isnt bad at all its like 4th best deck

1. sword 2. rune 3. haven 4. abyss 5. dragon 6. portal thats how i see it

but first 3 are very close

to each other

[cursive crypt]

I think it might depend on what group you entered GM with, not sure though

[silver tide]

man

the 3/3 loot lego is legit dead weight

if you dont draw it early

in midsword

[umbral seal]

I guess I would need someone to confirm.

[umbral seal]

Octrice isn't really a loot card unless you evolve her. Personally don't think she should be in the hybrid list at all

[silver tide]

it was a 1 of

i put 2 cuz i had 2

its probably going back to 1

or even 0

[umbral seal]

I'd cut it to 0. If you need her early to not be deadweight, you run more copies for consistency, not less

Midrange sword is already blessed with very strong 3's, and there are better, actual loot cards to complement it

[mystic tartan]

Bruh i got triple gilnese by some dude

He heal so much

My aggro

[gritty anvil]

thats how i save my ass againts sword

when i play vuelle + gilenelise

and heal for 7

[cursive crypt]

This guy entered GM from emerald and his CR started at 1k lol

1.1k sorry

[umbral seal]

Hm, well I guess that would make sense. I entered at diamond.

[cursive crypt]

I was watching his video and he was saying he kept matching the same guy over and over because nobody else probably entered GM from emerald

[umbral seal]

So starting from Ruby should put you around... 1400?

[cursive crypt]

Yes should be

He was complaining because it takes him like 10min just to find a match

Just to be matched with the same 3 people

His rating is literally rarer than beyond

[red plover]

heard that when you go below 3 digits thats its nearly impossible to find any games right now

[umbral seal]

Yeah, because most players aren't that bad

Or intentionally lose that much

I find matches fairly quickly at 1650

[cursive crypt]

It's quite wild cause 1600 is literally diamond tier last season right

So you need to be way better than that

To climb to 1800+

[umbral seal]

Yeah, it's been difficult. I've been dropping in & out of 1650 with dragon but I'll get there

The storm list is legit

[cursive crypt]

Yea I've played quite a bit vs storm dragon and it's just not an easy matchup for any version of forest

[umbral seal]

I don't even wait for my opponent to use evos. I just smash face, usually.

Because I know they have the big heal on turn 9

Roach just dies

[cursive crypt]

I was playing roach again after getting matched with rune 2 out of 5 games, I don't mind losing to any other class but losing to coc dclimb astaroth is just too boring

I've been playing some crest haven too because I pulled all the cards from packs but it's a bit boring to play

[cursive crypt]

Yea cause we got no wards

Or much healing for that matter

[red plover]

just use the cards with wards then

[umbral seal]

Forest technically has the cards, Roach just doesn't run them

Control Forest still loses to storm dragon

But they have a better chance

[cursive crypt]

they are just bad izudia is forced to run lions but I just wish lion has ward

[gritty anvil]

i started at 1500

with ruby

[cursive crypt]

Wait rly

[gritty anvil]

so ye it looks like what u enter into GM

[cursive crypt]

That doesn't add up

[gritty anvil]

u get that Elo

why

[umbral seal]

I thought Sapphire would be 1500

So is it 1550 then?

[gritty anvil]

ye looks like

[cursive crypt]

I see

[gritty anvil]

topaz is propably like what 1250 ?

[umbral seal]

Sapphire being so close to Diamond doesn't make sense imo

[cursive crypt]

So the gap widens from Ruby downwards

[gritty anvil]

u started at 1600 right

@umbral seal

[umbral seal]

Yep

[gritty anvil]

ye maybe at higher groups that gap is way smaller

[red plover]

like 3 wins apart

[gritty anvil]

wait if i start new class

it shows me that elo right

first ranked game

[cursive crypt]

Not sure

I'm still only halfway to gm I might play rune a bit

[umbral seal]

I changed my setting to alway show ELO below epic. A class technically doesn't have a rating until your first game

[cursive crypt]

If I wanna speed run to gm I could prolly just spam crest haven

[gritty anvil]

should i add gilnelise in rune ?

[umbral seal]

And then it shows the starting point

[gritty anvil]

most SV wins decks plays her

[cursive crypt]

Yes

It's useful for both kuon lethal and for barrier proc

[mystic tartan]

I'm halfway too

[red plover]

crest haven and "speedrun"

[mystic tartan]

loot sword is so good

Well unless they heal

Xdd

[cursive crypt]

I only played like 20 games of crest haven and my winrate with that is over 70%

Rune isn't even that bad of a matchup

[umbral seal]

Loot Sword can burst through a lot of healing. It's why Rune runs Gilnelise

[red plover]

20 crest haven games is like 60 with any other class

[umbral seal]

Even Norman and Sagelight is not enough

[mystic tartan]

Yep

[gritty anvil]

ok ye its 1500

[cursive crypt]

True games take way too long

[gritty anvil]

when i start new class

i auto concede lol

[cursive crypt]

That's why I said it's a bit boring to play

[mystic tartan]

Haven Crest mirror

[red plover]

I dont mind the slow play but its annoying that you basically get punished in terms of points for playing slow decks

[umbral seal]

If y'all are around 1600, I might queue into some of you

[cursive crypt]

But you don't tho

Once you reach GM you just need to win for CR points

Unless you care about MP which imo matters a lot less

[red plover]

you still play more games overall though with other classes

which could be more points if you dont lose more obviously

[cursive crypt]

Yeah that's why sword is broken fast games and op

[gritty anvil]

like this ?

[umbral seal]

MP matters for the rewards once you hit GM3 but it's only CR that matters for bragging rights

[red plover]

just give haven double the points then its even

[cursive crypt]

I feel like if you played enough to reach 1850 elo you are most likely already GM3

[umbral seal]

I wouldn't even run Edel, personally. I'd run a 3rd Gilnelise with and cut Penelope for a 3rd chaos

[cursive crypt]

Unless you have like, 100% winrate

[gritty anvil]

but edel is kill 2 without evo

i kinda like her

she can also snipe valse

[umbral seal]

Technically, climbing from 1650 to 1850 doesn't take that many games. Even though your opposition will be tough

[gritty anvil]

unevolved

[cursive crypt]

GM3 is 80k right? 100?

[red plover]

getting to gm3 takes way longer

[cursive crypt]

You'd be surprised bro

[umbral seal]

Yeah, which is why I'd run the 3rd flames, duh

[red plover]

like the guy I watch for haven is still in gm1 and hes been hovering around 1.8k

and he plays like hours daily

[umbral seal]

Yeah, abe is just wrong here

A lot of the guys that are beyond right now aren't gm3

[cursive crypt]

Actually I stopped looking at how much mp you win per game

[red plover]

pretty sure its the same

[cursive crypt]

But I thought GM3 was just 60k or 80

[red plover]

around 200

gm2 starts at 70k I think

[umbral seal]

So, it's 20k from master to hit GM0. An additional 20k for every other gm rank

So it's 80k total from master

Next season, when people start at gm, it'll be 60k for gm3

[red plover]

basically its a massive grind

[umbral seal]

It's faster than the release grind, technically

But yeah, you do have to play a lot

[cursive crypt]

Ah I see, so yes you could technically get to 1850 elo winning only 30 games at 100% winrate

[red plover]

30 game winstreak incoming

[cursive crypt]

I don't think most people will reach that tho,most people will be 1500 probably

Maybe less

Like 1400

[umbral seal]

Well, we both know that's not realistic. A more realistic scenario of even a 55-60% winrate from 1650 will get you to 1850

In less games than it'll take to hit gm3

[cursive crypt]

Yeah that's true

You get matched according to your CR points as well right?

[umbral seal]

Generally. All depends on availability as well

[red plover]

would be pointless if you didnt

[cursive crypt]

Well last season sapphire could match with someone that's been in diamond for 20 years

[umbral seal]

Like the game will try to give me a proper match but if that doesn't happen, the search widens, to an extent

[cursive crypt]

Yeah that's understandable

But it's for sure a better rating system than just groups

[red plover]

well right now people cant find games if they lose too much so it is working as intended

[cursive crypt]

That's gonna be me when im playing raio once I reach GM

I got 2 copies of him

[red plover]

Ill be happy if I even manage to reach gm at all

[umbral seal]

I think Raio has potential but in a craft like Rune, they need a way to cheat him out on turn 6

Similar to how Fennie can come down early via ramp

That might be a bit more problematic for Raio because he's a 9/9 that has a 0 cost board nuke

So maybe they don't ever intend for him to drop earlier than turn 9 (8 with coin)

[umbral seal]

Just play more

I don't even watch streamers because I'm almost always in a game instead

[red plover]

Im trying, shit takes forever

and I only haven so it takes forever x2

[umbral seal]

To be honest, getting Marwynn down on curve can make games end pretty quickly

Especially with the 4 cost amulet that does 4 split damage (4 to face if used properly)

It only takes forever against crafts that can outheal your damage

[cursive crypt]

I just watch videos and memes, i don't really watch streamers

Yeah but getting marwyn and 5 cost draw on curve is a super high roll already

[umbral seal]

If there's a high rated dragon streamer, maybe I'll watch him but dragon players are already quite rare

[cursive crypt]

Gilnelise tokens also helps a lot in making lethal faster

[umbral seal]

Speaking of Gilnelise, I actually cut her from my storm dragon list.

Feels like I never have the opportunity to use her token and I don't really need the healing when I have Neptune's crest

[cursive crypt]

I'm surprised you even had her in the deck, dragon doesn't really have problem with healing or damage

The only thing they lack is consistency

[umbral seal]

I was following a fella who ran her as a 1 of and he hit 1800 with that list

Also, fire lizard makes a return specifically because of sword cucks

[cursive crypt]

Yea I'm looking at that list and there are already many ways for you to brick your hand

[umbral seal]

Helps my w/r against sword a lot

[umbral seal]

The one on SV wins or mine? My list rarely bricks.

[cursive crypt]

Ah ye turn 1 quick blade

[umbral seal]

Lancetrooper's officer. The 2/1 loot card.

A lot of good targets

Even forest cucks

I've been running into more lately

I feel like forest mains always go into hiding on the first few days to decide what to play

And then they just start popping up

Happened last set too

It's unfortunate that the disdain package outside of Galmieux & Ferocious Flame sucks though

Even Azurifrit is not good enough.

[cursive crypt]

They're just like me prolly, they lose to dclimb astaroth once and they start playing roach again

Too frustrating to lose to that garbage

And it only takes one loss

[umbral seal]

Tbh, if you're going second, Izudia is a turn 10 kill with carbuncle

Turn 11 going first

I don't think the Rune match-up is that bad, unless Rune always has the otk on turn 10 (feels that way even though it's not reality)

[cursive crypt]

Yea you can definitely win vs rune, but in no way you're favored

Because just like them, it's not guaranteed you have izudia on curve

Or even able to play it

Because they might have Norman board

Or kuon

[umbral seal]

I would definitely play Izudia into a Kuon board, you can clear the most dangerous units with him. If it's a evo'd Norman that took no damage, I probably wouldn't izudia into that

But unless I'm scared of just dying to Kuon before I can heal up

I would likely play Izudia every time

[cursive crypt]

You basically need to have grimnir crest to play him into kuon/Norman board

But still you need to draw him too

[umbral seal]

I just don't think there's an urgent need to full clear Rune's board if it means delaying your own win con

[cursive crypt]

Well you don't wanna die to turn 10 kuon

Basically need to play around 1-2 demons and kuon