Shadowverse

[wild gale]

Until abyss gets in 13 damage

Then the Odin and serpent strikes

[cursive crypt]

I mean if you have more than 5 hp and play aether vs aggro abyss u prolly win

Unless they have 2 serpents or aragavy +1 serpent

[wild gale]

That sweet sweet beryl drop

[brisk adder]

salefa, wilbert, aether, whos the 8 cost?

[wild gale]

Jeanne

[brisk adder]

oh yeah jeane

[wild gale]

She brings 6 AOE and +2/4 to your I've ward unit

[brisk adder]

best card in haven

[wild gale]

The only way to clear that is with a massive spellboosted William or unholy grail

But the +2 probably killed you already

[red plover]

feels so good when they cant clear and you just keep buffing

[cursive crypt]

And sb current rune doesn't really spellboost that much from hand

The spellboost come from Anne grea and onions lol

[brisk adder]

im playing dragon so hard next set

this is good shit

[blissful olive]

dmg dragon might be good

if i get the dragon leader i will play it lol

[mystic tartan]

sure brother

sure

[blissful olive]

brother have you seen her

BREASTS

[red plover]

another 3-1

[blissful olive]

every fucking time

slow ass mfers

[red plover]

saw some match going to turn 19

[blissful olive]

this is either a ward haven mirror or 2 grandma's

[true abyss]

What's the current SB hybrid deck?

Can someone link?

[fading echo]

nice board lock

how does anyone but rune wipe this board

[red plover]

haven does

[true abyss]

Abyss

With the 5 drop

[fading echo]

the 5 drop only does 7 damage

[red plover]

yea need medusa for that one

[true abyss]

? It clears everything

The one that gives ghosts bane

[fading echo]

oh i thought you were talking about aragavy

[red plover]

thats not even a 5 drop though

[true abyss]

Idr

[fading echo]

havencraft players will say the deck is bad and then shit out boards like that with just 1 evo point wasted on set up

[red plover]

I dont think its bad but everyone here will try you to tell otherwise

[blissful olive]

so far haven still feels like it doesnt know what it wants to be

[red plover]

surely the next set will bring some support for the existing archetypes

[fading echo]

current haven reminds me of hearthstone paladin but everyone thinks it should be hearthstone priest

but hearthstone priest is actually rune

rune is also every other hearhstone class except ranger

[true abyss]

Thank God I didn't take rune to my tournament

Half my lobby is sword

And people say rune is the problem

Okay buddy

[fading echo]

i went 3/2 on the gp and the two losses were rune games

sword doesn't feel as bad because it doesn't heal back to full twice

[red plover]

I won my rune match in the tourney but lost against sword

[true abyss]

8 swords and 1 abyss, i would have gone 2 wins max

With rune

I yolod and qd agro dragon

Still might go 2, but better odds

17 turns

Great, my opponent is roping turn one

[fading echo]

based

[true abyss]

Sword player

As if he needs to think

To play shit on curve

[red plover]

hes just thinking real hard to play that 1drop or not

[true abyss]

Beat him on turn 6

I'm 2-0 rn, pretty happy with the results

1st match was against rune, i board locked him with onions and I hit face with forte

Lost to yurius

His text should be on played minions, why do summoned minions also get marked

[blissful olive]

yeah hes basically if u dont have odin gg

or an evo kill effect but then ur wide open anyways

[true abyss]

Evo kill also gets locked

Because you play and then it gets locked 1st no?

I made my last opponent rage quit

3-1

[blissful olive]

u get locked but u remove him

if u dont u lose anyways

[true abyss]

Yeah it's bs

[blissful olive]

if you kill him the lock should go away imo

[true abyss]

Fan of otohime tokens also get locked, have some interactability with sommoned tokens by on letting them get locked too

That guy lost to roach

Roach won my tournament

[wild gale]

Good for roach player

It's a hard deck to play

[true abyss]

I would have won if the sword didn't draw his only yuris

[red plover]

wish there would have been any forest players in my tourney

[wild gale]

People who can pull it off deserve it

[true abyss]

My last opponent was roach too

I made him rage quit

Maybe i should play roach too

[wild gale]

Aria isn't even roach

[fading echo]

new cards revelaed the other portal card also does nothing for artifact or puppets

dead class

but at least rune got another win con card

since dragon had an exclusive mechanic with ho reducing deck costs that wasn't allowed so rune can reduce the cost of deck too

7pp cocytus to otk before roach kills

[red plover]

isnt the 6drop alright with puppets though

[true abyss]

Rune is unplayable in ladder

I only face abyss and sword

[umbral seal]

Reading these takes give me brain damage sometimes. Not all of these cards are meant to fit into existing archetypes.

[umbral seal]

This doesn't help against roach because that card costs 9

[fading echo]

it fits into nothing the card has no mechanic

[umbral seal]

It doesn't reduce the cocytus otk timer

[fading echo]

Axia, Heir to Destruction
3pp 2/4 Legendary Portalcraft Follower

Ward
Can't be destroyed by abilities.
Super-Evolve: Deal X damage to the enemy leader. X is equal to the number of other allied cards on the field. Then destroy all other allied cards on the field.

literally super evo to wipe your own board

[mystic tartan]

bruh why does set 3 looks mid

most of them

from the reveal

[umbral seal]

Destroying your own followers for a pay-off is the archetype. Or, not destroying followers at all if they're immune to destruction, which Lishenna is

[mystic tartan]

haven are cooked

[umbral seal]

And another card I'm forgetting

[gritty anvil]

@umbral seal honestly i think rune can play one copy of raio in deck propably spellboost

[umbral seal]

Nope.

[mystic tartan]

for what

[umbral seal]

Y'all are bad at card evaluation

[mystic tartan]

hes a meme

[gritty anvil]

i mean u gonna discount shit in your deck and that deck drawing a lot

[mystic tartan]

[gritty anvil]

but its 9

[mystic tartan]

what follower

[gritty anvil]

maybe its garbo

[mystic tartan]

do u want to discount

bro

[gritty anvil]

everything

what u mean

[mystic tartan]

its 9pp

💀

shit already too late

[gritty anvil]

well thing is there isnt even space for spellboost to run this 1 time

[fading echo]

deck so good already they don't even need the new card

[gritty anvil]

actually no i actually realize

u transform random spell

u cant chose

that can fuck u over

[mystic tartan]

Rune just got better legos , no point to runing this deck that can brick

ye

[umbral seal]

Axia is also immune to destruction, like Lishenna. The portal legendaries aren't as bad as some people are making them out to be, but they definitely don't fit in artifacts. Potentially puppets but I personally see a different deck entirely.

[mystic tartan]

imagine he transform dclimb

💀

idk man so far

Dragon might be the biggest W

of the reveal

[gritty anvil]

ye

dragon might be finally good ?

[blissful olive]

the 2/4 ward is good

just the stats is good even and u can swing then blow ur board

[umbral seal]

Evaluating future deck strength is difficult without silvers, since they're the backbone of most decks

[blissful olive]

but compared to orchis shes not good sure

but the card is ok

[mystic tartan]

9 Cost Follower - Raio

Fanfare - Reduce the cost of all followers in your deck by 3. Transform one random spell in your hand into (token). Until the end of your turn, change it's cost to 0.

4 Cost Spell - Token

Increase the cost of all followers in your hand by 1. Destroy all enemy follower.

[fading echo]

at least she costs 3pp

[mystic tartan]

yeah this shit is a meme

[blissful olive]

yeah

[mystic tartan]

@gritty anvil go play him and gamble

[fading echo]

so 3pp ward with 4hp is usable just as a meat shield

[mystic tartan]

will he transform dclimb

or nah

[gritty anvil]

i think puppets gonna run this but its again 6 drop fuck

[fading echo]

3/3

[gritty anvil]

doesnt matter

it dies

anyways

[true abyss]

Its a board clear

[gritty anvil]

oh wait

its all other allies

dies

ok thats even better

so he survive

oh wait he can nuke lishena amulet aswell

thats so good

[fading echo]

i guess it's something that doesn't require evo points

so usable

[gritty anvil]

u trigger with him lishena last word on amulet

[true abyss]

Tbh it's good that they are making new archetypes, less need of old cards

[gritty anvil]

ye ok i think this card is good

[umbral seal]

Because everyone in this chat can't read, reminder that both Axia & Lishenna are immune to destruction

Like i said earlier, likely a new deck

[fading echo]

but where is the face damage for this self wiping archetipe for portal

because you still have no finisher

[true abyss]

Let all cards be shown bro

[umbral seal]

Plenty of cards left to reveal. Not saying this deck will be good but acting like it's already shit is being hyper reactionary

Especially when you're acting like the rune 9 drop is broken

[mystic tartan]

just gonna wait for full reveal

[umbral seal]

I get it. We hate Rune. That's not a reason to have poor evaluations.

[red plover]

I like that everything so far isnt just straight up better than the stuff we already have

[fading echo]

i guess 9 cost is bad when you already have a deck with satan dclimb to win at turn 10 anyway

[umbral seal]

Raio also belongs in a different deck but it's much harder to justify him unless you can discount his cost to drop him before turn 9

Because he's too slow for what he does, in a class that doesn't ramp

Fennie is already slow in a deck that can ramp

Which reminds me, Dragon still needs ramp, in addition to all this Galmieux support

[fading echo]

i've been on that side of portal

[true abyss]

The only card I'm heavily sceptical about rn is the rune 9 mana lego

It just looks shit

[mystic tartan]

thats going to jerry meme deck anyway

[fading echo]

he's gonna be good with the 1pp card that makes him cost 4 and pulls him from the deck to your hand

[mystic tartan]

aint no way u running that

[fading echo]

trust the devs love for rune

[true abyss]

How?

You can't play them in the same turn

[mystic tartan]

jerry change ur deck

well yeah but u can run him later

cus jerry 6 draw

[true abyss]

So wait, you want to play jerry on turn 10?

[mystic tartan]

its for the memes

[true abyss]

[mystic tartan]

no la

Jerry main goal is to deck out

so u can win

i believe ??

[true abyss]

Oh so you're saying you'll get him in one of the draws

[mystic tartan]

ye

[true abyss]

[mystic tartan]

[true abyss]

That's for fucking meme

[mystic tartan]

it is

[umbral seal]

My issue with Jerry is that not only do you need to play him early but you also need that gold amulet otb to draw your deck faster for the victory card.

You need to play Jerry asap

[mystic tartan]

yeah if u dont play him early oh no no

[true abyss]

Jerry needs 13 turns to win after you play him, assuming no card draw

[umbral seal]

Yeah, which is why you need that gold amulet. Ideally, two but that's impossible pre-jerry.

Well, actually not impossible if you get two amulets in hand

But also, a lot of decks will just straight up kill you for playing this slow

[mystic tartan]

gamble it up

[true abyss]

What's the gold amulet?

[umbral seal]

https://imgur.com/a/hLSq8O1

Translation in the link

[mystic tartan]

Tablet of Trials
3pp Gold Neutral Amulet

Fanfare: If there are duplicate cards in your deck, banish those cards until only 1 of each remain.
Engage: Draw a card

yeah u need this

[red plover]

that amulet would be so good with rodeo

[true abyss]

Doesn't jerry give you 1 copy of every card in the set?

[umbral seal]

Correct. You play this before Jerry so you're drawing 1 card extra every turn after Jerry

[true abyss]

I see

[mystic tartan]

oh so u kinda need Jerry in hand too with this

[fading echo]

man just lost to the first other aggro abyss i've seen in days i'm not even mad

[mystic tartan]

either way im not playing

[fading echo]

everyone just plays mid cuck abyss

[umbral seal]

Basically, the amulet makes the Jerry win con one turn earlier than normal

But still very slow

[mystic tartan]

lol yeah aggro is rare rn

i played against midrange more

[true abyss]

I went 3-1 in my tournament with aggro dragon, would have been 4-0 if not for fucking yuris

[mystic tartan]

like when i see that 2 pp spell that give followers (skeli,ghost,zombie)

[mystic tartan]

xdd

[true abyss]

He probably only had one copy of it in his deck too

Unlucky

https://tenor.com/view/forsen-forsenlol-pajlada-nymn-nani-gif-10408902

[mystic tartan]

Cygames pls gimme Sincero or that gurl

for exchange

[gritty anvil]

so far puppets and dragon gettin propably best stuff but we need to see more

abyss also not terrible

but abyss is already strong af

they dont really need that much of support

[gritty anvil]

fuck u your luck is gone

u got so many tickets on rise set

[mystic tartan]

it will be back

only 5 bro

[gritty anvil]

kap

[mystic tartan]

i need more leaders

[gritty anvil]

nah u done buddy

[mystic tartan]

especially sword

[gritty anvil]

u have albert no ?

[mystic tartan]

nah

i got 2 daria 2 cerb 1 orchis

[gritty anvil]

u dont like default sword leader ?

[mystic tartan]

its okay

honestly the best default for me is the haven one

personally

[gritty anvil]

i want to get rid of all male leaders but thats never happening

with my shitty luck

would need dragon forest abyss leader

[mystic tartan]

im satisfied with cerb

she cute

frfr

[gritty anvil]

ye cerb is best

[mystic tartan]

i like the VA too

[gritty anvil]

i eventually gonna get lucky chest

but its gonna be so difficult

to buying old packs

more deep we in

its so ass

that daily

doesnt count into that

that would be so much easier

like holy shit

i would have lucky chest in 2 months basically

[umbral seal]

That is why they don't make it count

They want people to spend money or their precious resources

[gritty anvil]

really good card actually compete with charon

it all depends how good are 2 drops in omen but this should be generally better

[umbral seal]

I mean, a proper Mode Abyss wouldn't be running Charon at all

[cursive crypt]

bruh 5pp 88 rush/ward? thats crazy

[umbral seal]

Because the goal would be to charge faith asap

[gritty anvil]

yep

meanwhile forest gets

[umbral seal]

She's very good even if Sham-Nacha isn't online

[gritty anvil]

9 drop

KEKW

similiar to this

but its 4 mana more expensive

[cursive crypt]

that 9 drop has more stats so naturally more expensive lol

[umbral seal]

Forest gets mediocre cards for a deck that isn't fully realized yet because Roach is already taking up too much of their power budget

[gritty anvil]

u basically paying 4 more mana for just extra rush or ward

that is scam

[umbral seal]

Although Tempo Forest is a thing, despite not seeing much play

[cursive crypt]

this is just a better zwei

and its as gold card

[gritty anvil]

not by much

3 more stats

in total

right

4/6 and 4/5

[cursive crypt]

no it fills the board

[gritty anvil]

what ?

[cursive crypt]

46, 45, 44, 43, 42

[gritty anvil]

what

i read it wrong ?

i though its only 2 bodies

dafuq

wait

u right

ok that is much better

like that might actually be played

i didnt know

it works like that

thats basically scuffed ginsetsu

for forest

actually in some cases it can be better than ginsetsu

[cursive crypt]

yes thats why i said its not even bad

[gritty anvil]

ye i was saying its trash

because i assumed its just 2 bodies

[gritty anvil]

maybe even roach can run it

like 1 or 2

it buys u time

if u havent draw combos yet

but i dont know u should win on turn 9

and usually there gonna be some shit on board

so u dont get full 5 bodies

ye i guess thats cope for roach

[umbral seal]

Even if that 9 drop doesn't see ranked play, it's cracked in Take Two

[gritty anvil]

yes

its super op

for take two

honestly i think some cards

are just aimed mainly for take two

like they made cards sometimes with main intention be for take two

[fading echo]

it's not a fanfare the effect happens when she comes into play so all the clones will trigger too

[gritty anvil]

ye i understand it now

[cursive crypt]

nop by tuirn 9 your opponent is already dead

no point running 9 cost

would be good in control/midrange forest if that archetype is even gonna exist

[cursive crypt]

bruh i was playing haven and this forest is just conceding before turn 1

[true abyss]

Saving time

[warped granite]

Ahh fuck i forgot there's a weekend tourney

[fading echo]

runecraft so balance

guy was dead if norman didn't heal for 8 and put a 7/7 on the field

meanwhile portal needs to play 5 turns to heal for 3 with no board clear

[gritty anvil]

rip free resources

[fading echo]

i'm done

last match killing rune felt good

lucksacked enough on draws to kill him turn 5 so he couldn't heal back to full with norman

[gritty anvil]

u can uninstal now

[umbral seal]

Nope, GM grind next set

[red plover]

grind all the missing points for the clan now

[fading echo]

i think that's when i can finally have fun actually

i heard someone say in master rank you get matched with less sweaty metacucks

[umbral seal]

This is only true if your group is not diamond.

[fading echo]

yeah there's no way i'm getting diamond playing the decks i have fun with

[red plover]

if anything shouldnt there be more meta?

[umbral seal]

Just understand that aggro abyss is a meta deck.

[fading echo]

i don't think so makes sense you would see more meta right before the max rank because of all the people trying to climb

[fading echo]

i was playing it but not because i actually like it

i liked that either i win fast or lose fast so i don't have to stay in these matches past 6pp and deal with all the broken cards

what i actually have fun with is portal

i did like bloodcraft when i tried sv1 recently but the current abyss cards are not enough like bloodcraft in sv1

[mystic tartan]

anyone want weekly in guild lounge

[fading echo]

they need to make wrath abyss and make all the wrath cards cute vampire girls

[cursive crypt]

the higer the mmr the sweatier they are, this is just true in every rank

even when u just go down a tier below diamond u will see way more variety in the decks you face

bro rank 1 plays only aggro abyss thats how he can get 1m master points

each game l;asts 3mins

[red plover]

doesnt he have like double the wins or something

[fading echo]

yeah the best part of the deck is that it's fast

[umbral seal]

Wrath probably isn't coming back because it was too hard to balance. Although, I don't think Cygames has gotten better at making a balanced meta.

[fading echo]

i don't hate playing it i have a perfect rune deck but i don't wanna play that because i fucking hate rune

[umbral seal]

He has over 6k wins on abyss.

[fading echo]

i'm cool with all the other classes none feel beyond broken

[umbral seal]

Dude's name is Noba

To put things into perspective, I have over 8k total wins on SV1 and I played 'til like the 7th set before quitting

He plays a lot

[cursive crypt]

well ye when you can play 3 games in the span of 10mins u just get to play way more games than others

[red plover]

well yea, but still funny

[cursive crypt]

one game of ward haven lasts 10mins, u play 1 game and hes already on his 4th game

[umbral seal]

Even if he wasn't playing aggro, he would still have considerably more games than a lot of people.

Noted by the fact that he has over 700 wins on forest, in addition to his 6k abyss wins

[cursive crypt]

i mean yea im not saying hes not playing a lot, but he just uses his time more efficiently

[gritty anvil]

does lobby chest can still give Rise cards ?

and packs

or nah

oh wait it can give

rise card

i just got roach from chest

[true abyss]

Weeklys anyone?

[fading echo]

me smile

[true abyss]

Guild

[gritty anvil]

@cursive crypt my first ligma

[fading echo]

yeah i think people report when they see win trading on the open lobby

[gritty anvil]

do they report ?

thats dumbest thing i heard

[true abyss]

What do they even report for?

[cursive crypt]

i have like 30 keys saved up

[gritty anvil]

why would anyone care

[fading echo]

[gritty anvil]

if someone wintrading

[cursive crypt]

there is no way

[gritty anvil]

im using them because i still want higher chance gettin older packs toward lucky chests

but im not spending any rupies anymore on older packs

[true abyss]

Is the no name guy you? @fading echo

[gritty anvil]

those goes all for new ones

[cursive crypt]

i already crafted my missing cards so i could play rune and sword

[fading echo]

i can rush you

[cursive crypt]

crafting 3 kuons was painful af

i only had to craft 1 amelia for sword

[gritty anvil]

oh u just craft them recently ?

[cursive crypt]

yea i was missing 3 kuons and 1 dclimb for rune

i said fuck it

[gritty anvil]

i mean that worth it

[cursive crypt]

i had 60k vials anyway

[gritty anvil]

its strong deck

and spellboost still stay revelanvt

nothing really changes

[true abyss]

Not with ladder filled with sword and abyss, fr fr

[gritty anvil]

even if spellboost not gonna play any new card

[true abyss]

[gritty anvil]

it can still beat any new decks

[cursive crypt]

im not a fan of it cause of all the dirt though, but i will play pure spellboost next set

would be way more fun

[fading echo]

i think dirt rune cooks abyss

[gritty anvil]

what

rune can still beat those

[true abyss]

Can

[gritty anvil]

bro

its not even favored

[true abyss]

Very bad matchups

[gritty anvil]

no its not

at worst its like 50/50

[true abyss]

60/40 at best

[gritty anvil]

skill issues

[true abyss]

Its just the truth

[gritty anvil]

i dont know i can beat those 2 classes pretty consistently like sure they beat me too but its def doesnt seem favored for them

abyss aggro maybe can be slightly

favored but not midrange

[true abyss]

What's your deck

[gritty anvil]

spellboost rune

what u mean

u want to see list ?

[cursive crypt]

pretty sure rune is favored against sword

[true abyss]

Ye show

[gritty anvil]

ye see

[cursive crypt]

unelss u just dont draw any of your 5 cost

[gritty anvil]

even abe knows

also u can make it more againts sword

adding like wiliams

or more early game

spellboost deck can always be changed slightly depend on meta

if u facing too much sword u add 1 or 2 wiliams

or ward haven

[cursive crypt]

some lists cut foresights for arcane explosion

[gritty anvil]

ye u can do that too

[cursive crypt]

they only play 1 or two foresight

[gritty anvil]

i still like 3 tho personally

[umbral seal]

I have not seen a single high-ranked Rune player use arcane explosion, myself included

I also don't agree with cutting William

[cursive crypt]

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FixupX · Aug 24, 2025, 9:17 AM

i like one william at leasst yeah

1 wiliam and maybe 2 flames

[gritty anvil]

honestly im thinking cutting one onion

is that bad ?

for wiliam

[cursive crypt]

its bad

your deck relies on onions and anne grea to spellboost

[gritty anvil]

or i can cut one flame for wiliam

or forsight

[umbral seal]

Impressive stats, tbh

[gritty anvil]

btw i beat even forest sometimes with rune

because if u keep playing shit on board

they can deal with

[fading echo]

https://shadowverse.fandom.com/wiki/Maisha,_Hero_of_Purgation if they add this card the self destroying deck becomes goated

[gritty anvil]

demonic calls

kuons AG

also u can easily heal from any chip dmg

[true abyss]

I'll try this list, but I still feel it'll have a 60/40 match up against abyss and sword

[gritty anvil]

they need to otk u otherwise they cant really kill u

[fading echo]

wait @true abyss

it didn't count as the park

[gritty anvil]

well i dont know i never felt like sword was favored againts me its back and forward

[true abyss]

Bro read again, it's spectate

That's a different one

[gritty anvil]

lol

[fading echo]

oooh yeah

[gritty anvil]

again u can change some thing to make it better againts sword

add 2 drop pascale

[gritty anvil]

or wiliam

[true abyss]

@umbral seal what has your experience been vs Sword and Abyss as rune?

[fading echo]

if they add that card i'll take back all the curses

[gritty anvil]

oh divine thunder

[fading echo]

https://tenor.com/view/i-kneel-bejita-vegeta-dragon-ball-z-dbs-gif-9873872880292680534

[gritty anvil]

is actually not terrible aswell

good vs aggro abyss

sometimes sword too

[umbral seal]

This makes way more sense in a puppet deck, where Maisha is just a turn 10 otk, assuming your opponent has no ward.

[true abyss]

Also a quick tip, you don't have to spectate the whole match, get in and exit asap, it counts as +1

[fading echo]

yeah i do that

[fading echo]

if the self destroying is a new archetype for portal she's gotta be in as the wincon

or something like that

[umbral seal]

I barely play Rune on ladder because I don't think it's as consistent as sword or abyss. Both midrange & aggro abyss are slightly favored. Sword is also slightly favored due to their ability to consistently board flood.

[fading echo]

but if the deck doesn't have enough support in the expansion the self destroying cards still function with puppet + themselves

[umbral seal]

Not really. Like I said, the two legendaries that were revealed straight-up have "cannot be destroyed by abilities". It's far more likely that they will print more cards that have that same line of text.

I don't see them re-printing any variation of Maisha this set, personally

Could be wrong, of course.

[true abyss]

Yeah, I don't feel like taking it to tournaments

[umbral seal]

The only very bad match up is Roach, but Rune can consistently beat everything else, even the decks that are slightly favored against it.

Anyone in the guild lounge?

[true abyss]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Shadowverse/comments/1myv8qe/new_portal_legendary/ waste super evo to deal 4

Ngl chip damage portal might be interesting

[cursive crypt]

its a premium card just because of the stats alone tbh

2/4 ward and cant be destroyed by abilities

[gritty anvil]

it def gonna be thing

and lishenna can be played in both artifact or puppets

[true abyss]

How much have you guys saved?

I'm at 15k gold, 35k vails

[umbral seal]

Lishenna in artifacts makes no sense. Not only does artifact portal need the board space but she's not a gear generator.

[fading echo]

still dies to a lot of shit and there's not a lot of abilities that kill her on curve but it's usable just for the ward

[umbral seal]

She could see play in puppets.

[fading echo]

abilities=/=damage so all the raw damage from hand stuff still kills her

[umbral seal]

You're expecting a bit too much from a 3 drop. Some of y'all see legendary and think it should win the game on the spot, regardless of the cost.

[fading echo]

it's just both cards don't do anything for artifact

[umbral seal]

I agree. They're not artifact cards.

Now that I think about it, Lishenna wouldn't see play in puppets either because Orchis needs the board space

[red plover]

4k rubies and 24k vials

[umbral seal]

Especially for 9pp combos.

So yeah, both Lishenna & Axia would be part of an entirely new deck

I'm just not sure if that deck will be good, based on what I've seen so far.

[cursive crypt]

I'm just concerned with all the new cards cause most of them require evo point

[true abyss]

So you're buying the pass with the shitty leader?

[red plover]

what pass Im f2p

[cursive crypt]

Haven already has it bad with all the evo points that you need to spend and the new cards need them as well

[umbral seal]

I think Axia is good without her s-evo, because honestly, her s-evo effect is not worth it, imo.

[cursive crypt]

Portal is going in the same direction

[umbral seal]

Lishenna's evo makes sense in the context of a deck that doesn't care about self destruction.

[true abyss]

Inb4 we get a evo point restoration unit

[red plover]

if I only play one class then I can just craft everything I need anyway

[true abyss]

[umbral seal]

This and free evos were something that became much more common in the later stages of SV1

So it wouldn't be unprecedented

[cursive crypt]

Haven needs it

Salefa and Wilbert is already 2 evos gone and the new cards need more evo

Class is doomed

[umbral seal]

Wilbert probably would not see play in this new archetype that Cygames is trying to create

Salefa probably would because you tend to die if you don't have a strong turn 5 stabilizer

[cursive crypt]

The new 4 cost needs Evo, new 5 cost gold card needs Evo for crest

That's 2 gone and u will need to play salefa most games

[red plover]

surely the silvers and bronzes will make crests without evos

[umbral seal]

I'd prefer not having more onion-tier cards.

[red plover]

well with the haven new crests they apparently remembered that they can give them countdowns

[fading echo]

that's why i said she's bad

[cursive crypt]

3 cost gold card with crest fanfare restore 1hp each turn

Countdown 4 or something

[fading echo]

you drop her and pray they odin the amulet if you wanna drop orchis

[umbral seal]

You're saying she's bad because you are only thinking in the context of decks that currently exist.

I'm saying it's too early to tell

Soon as I see the rest of the cards, it'd help me better determine how good this new deck will be.

[fading echo]

you're not wrong but i'm just saying if they don't give portal another finisher you're still gonna be relying on orchis and ralmia and both need board space so the new cards are awkward with them

[umbral seal]

Yeah, if I don't see cards that give this new archetype adequate reach, then I'd be willing to say the entire concept is DoA.

Axia's s-evo is definitely not adequate reach, she only does 5 damage in the best case scenario.

Honestly, considering the effect, it shouldn't be an s-evo

Still a well-statted follower regardless

[gritty anvil]

get rekt stinky rune

double ginsetsu was mvp in that game

[unkempt lava]

I have 65

[umbral seal]

I'm nearing 100 keys

[true abyss]

Got 4 gold cards out of the keys today

Not bad at all

[gritty anvil]

sword going second with double zirconia is most retarded thing

impossible to beat

[blissful olive]

we only brick here

[gritty anvil]

i hate midrange abyss mirrors

its basically who draw better because that deck have almost no draw engine

very rng almost no skill

only skill is mulligan but thats obvious

[blissful olive]

abyss mirrors be like whoever super evo first loses

[gritty anvil]

well its not just that abyss can actually brick on early game

[blissful olive]

prime example

[gritty anvil]

also look i just lost

because my charon

didnt res orthus

wait actually i didnt even had shadows for it

[blissful olive]

yeah reani is rng

[gritty anvil]

hmm maybe better play was just coin olivia there

but he had enough dmg from hand to just kill me anyways

at 9 hp

actually i misplayed that i should play olivia i didnt even notice i have no shadows for orthus

[umbral seal]

This is the case in a lot of scenarios. If your last super evo is not lethal, there's a good chance you're going to lose after your opponent steals back tempo

[blissful olive]

yeah its one of the gripes i have with this game currently because super evo is such a problem

take turns clearing board cant clear? ok gg

sv1 was better imo cause it was more tame

even like control or mid range decks are very aggro in this game

its wild how broken this card is

basically stun locks most decks probably gg

yeah thats not worth playing lol

[umbral seal]

You hold yourself back by conceding games that are far from unwinnable. No changing your mind, clearly.

[blissful olive]

nothing i can do here for several turns

by the time gavy comes down im dead

what was i gonna do play cerb early

take maybe 10 damage and agavy assuming im not dead?

some games are winnable but am i playing out a 1% chance who has time for that

[umbral seal]

If I didn't draw something playable on turn 4 and zirconia is coming down, then yeah, I'd probably concede

I wouldn't concede before seeing what I draw, though

[blissful olive]

i think ppl underestimate how fucked up a 3/3 bane ward is this early

especially on turn 2

if u can deal with it early ur basically said same deal with beryl

[umbral seal]

I'm very aware of how strong it is if you have to 2 for 1 into it or evo into it

It's not a concede angle automatically

[blissful olive]

if my hand wasnt garbage yeah

[gritty anvil]

im gonna reach 20k rupies before new exp maybe

im close

that gonna be tons of take two runs

[blissful olive]

thats 40 packs decent

[gritty anvil]

more

if i play take two

[blissful olive]

this is when abyss feels super bad

[umbral seal]

?

[blissful olive]

look at all the shit in my hand and on the board

still cant do a fukin thing to end it anyways

good thing i can count cause fuck me that was awful

[gritty anvil]

classic

again lost againts sword going second

double zirconia

i had even good curve doesnt help

[blissful olive]

yeah going 2nd is a big problem cygames doesnt know how to balance mechanics or make them good in general

[gritty anvil]

look at this abyss mirror so dumb look at his cards and mine

i was just lucky my cards value was higher

he had no cerb

on 8

unlucky

[umbral seal]

Taking away the second coin wouldn't stop zirconia from being dumb. Her baseline stats should be nerfed, honestly

[blissful olive]

they might make her a 3/3 but honestly i dont expect it to get nerfed

it should be a 3/3 but idk if cygames can recognize this kinda shit

ngl the forest version might be better than her but since sword is already that strong

[umbral seal]

I'd make her a 2/2, personally. Is that excessive? Probably but she's too good with evo

[cursive crypt]

That's garbage tbh, I don't mind 3/3 zirc but I don't think nerfing her is even necessary

[umbral seal]

It absolutely is, and I've played more Sword than anyone in here

Gildaria & Zirconia both deserve nerfs

Wouldn't even bother me.

[cursive crypt]

I played vs sword a lot and I don't think zirconia is even that problematic

Gildaria and Amelia are the 2 I would look into

The outliers

[blissful olive]

shes a 4/4 that if u cant clear u lose the next turn

usually u can clear it but that kind of power level that early is insane

or if u play her into an existing board gg

[wild gale]

They are perfectly fair and balanced

[umbral seal]

You play vs Sword with a deck that has clean answers to even a double Zirconia play

[wild gale]

[blissful olive]

shes like fake cerb for sword

[umbral seal]

I don't think Amelia nor Amalia needs nerfs. If Amelia were to get hit, I'd predict less play points

[cursive crypt]

Nah double zirconia is always a pain with any deck but that's just a highroll so it's whatever

One zirc is always manageable especially if you have shit on the board that they need to trade the zirconia into

Yeah Amelia 6 cost draw 2 restore 3pp not problematic frfr

4/4 body with Evo ability

That is one insane card

[wild gale]

Not that problematic tbh

[cursive crypt]

[wild gale]

Recover 3 pp isn't even that important

[cursive crypt]

Ok bro

[wild gale]

Her best function is to draw 2 followers

No one has ever complained that Amelia is OP

[red plover]

because the other cards are even more busted

[cursive crypt]

Which other class has a better card for draw than Amelia? Yea nobody

[blissful olive]

norman

[cursive crypt]

She is the sole reason sword doesn't run out of cards by turn 7 when they have perfect curve

That's 6 cost draw 3, Amelia is still better cause she technically costs 3

Unless you wanna draw 6 with that garbage

[blissful olive]

out of spite

[gritty anvil]

@umbral seal well our guild not gonna reach S++

its too hardcore

ppl would need to play more

we need still 23k points

lol

[fading echo]

how often do you guys play to get so much

i played a lot and i barely have anything

[gritty anvil]

i need to reduce my playing honestly i just sometimes play too much for no reason its just addicting

[umbral seal]

Because pts gain is accelerated in master rank

Every other rank is worthless

[fading echo]

i see

4 days ago it was on 412 wins and my win rate only got better when i started playing abyss

so i'd say it was at least 300 matches in 4 days

[umbral seal]

I've played a lot less this set

[blissful olive]

ive only done dailies

[umbral seal]

Still have 13k

[fading echo]

but it was probably from not being master that my point gain was so shit

[blissful olive]

this game aint like ina super fun spot rn to just play imo

[umbral seal]

I still enjoy the game, personally. But a lot of you should quit while you're ahead

If you're expecting a balanced game

That's not gonna happen

[blissful olive]

i just dont find any deck rn in particular fun

but like i said before this game ona fundamental level is somewhat lacking

the entire game is take turns clearing board if you cant? die

[cursive crypt]

yea u get like 12x as much grp in master

[umbral seal]

Sv1 was less swingy, I agree.

[cursive crypt]

some big multipiier

[blissful olive]

i think the game is good for what it is but sv1 id say was better for sure

super evo brings to many problems

and being super evoled in general is fucking broken

cant die to bane ur immortal on ur turn etc who designed that lol

as far as card games go in general id put this as my 3rd in number of idk likeness

1. MTG 2. LoR. 3. SV

lor is a shame tho that game is just fukin ded

[gritty anvil]

we still missing one ticket leader no ?

wasnt shown

[fading echo]

we got spoiled by chinese and korean mobile games having so much active development when you go back to japanese games you remember the dark ages

[gritty anvil]

from omen

[gritty anvil]

its still more fun than sv 1

in my opinion

[blissful olive]

if the next set doesnt like drastically mix up the game i might drop it we'll see

[gritty anvil]

nevia really ?

[blissful olive]

sure if im not enjoying it ofc

[gritty anvil]

i like that slower decks are actually viable in this game

[blissful olive]

this game is 2 swing heavy like i dont think ppl understand how bad super evo is really

[gritty anvil]

i mean thats true

i feel like odin was mistake

that card should never be like this

if odin was just one class only it would be fine but because its neutral its kinda aids everyone playing that shit

[blissful olive]

u know what i hate to say it but

[gritty anvil]

like in forest or portal odin would not be this opressive

[blissful olive]

i think this game could really benefit from a limited/ban list

[gritty anvil]

still strong

but not as crazy

u mean

banning class ?

on ladder ?

[blissful olive]

no

like yugioh

roughly

[gritty anvil]

i never played yuhioh

explain

yugioh

[blissful olive]

they have a limited/ ban list

[gritty anvil]

for cards ?

[blissful olive]

its that simple really some cards are 2 strong to have 3 of

[gritty anvil]

u just cant use those cards ?

[blissful olive]

limit to 1-2 for some

some cards are straight banned

[gritty anvil]

oh

well i think odin would need to be reduced to like 1

i mean that could happen maybe

but its just weird

[blissful olive]

it wont

[gritty anvil]

because if u craft card

and they banned it ?

[blissful olive]

if it didnt in sv 1 it wont in 2

[gritty anvil]

u get vials back ?

or what

[blissful olive]

yeah u get vials if nerf

[gritty anvil]

but thats not nerf

its ban

[blissful olive]

same thing

vials

[gritty anvil]

well is that ban permanent ?

if yes

u should get vials

[blissful olive]

in ygo? depends

some times cards come back depends on on many things

[gritty anvil]

they would also need to return globes

u spend on them no ?

as premium

[blissful olive]

maybe but dont expect that 2happen

they arnt banning anything in sv anyways

[gritty anvil]

well not now

well

banns propably not

but nerfs come

sooner or later

[blissful olive]

yeah u just get vials

[gritty anvil]

well just vials isnt enough

they need to get back orbs aswell

because u cant craft premium cards

[blissful olive]

bruh lol

[gritty anvil]

u need orb for that

[blissful olive]

they dont care

u get vials

[gritty anvil]

lol

well rip ppl

who premium cards that gets nerfed

well they can still be playable

i guess

imagine they nerfed AG to spellboost only twice

or evo effect only 2 dmg

she would still be played

[umbral seal]

A&G should boost once on fanfare and again if evolved. That'd be consistent with the 2 drop that no one runs anymore

I also don't think any card in sv right now is worth a ban/limit. Nerfs usually do the job.

Yugioh/mtg have ban & limit lists because they don't nerf

It'd be hard to do that with real life cards

[blissful olive]

yeah SV is strictly digital evolve is another thing

[gritty anvil]

i honestly think this game is pretty fun

but just dont play it that much

or u get burned out

[gritty anvil]

and still deal 3 dmg ?

on evo

thats actually fair

[umbral seal]

Yup.

[true abyss]

Advanced to group B finals

When is it btw?

26-28

[blissful olive]

thought it said in arena no ?

[true abyss]

Yeah it's 26-28

I can't wait for the new set

I wana play other classes!

[blissful olive]

i just really hope this set mixes the game up

if its more of the same im really disappointed

[true abyss]

You can just switch to poe 2

[blissful olive]

i mean

im playing poe 2 over everything tf lol

3rd league looks so lit

[true abyss]

[blissful olive]

i was gonna play a bunch of set 3 day 1

then hop on poe 2

[umbral seal]

Unarmed monk is the only reason why I'm not skipping

[blissful olive]

i think it'l be good until its not kinda thing

like i talked about this before a bit but like when i was running warrior last league

i did the normal attack herald of ice/ash shit with the chill ring

1 tap explode the screen while being insanely tanky

whats monks plan basically ?

even the supposed best monk players were mapping with storm wave cause going into melee is so risky so at that point wtf are we doing

the ppl thats talked about it apparently have said if u wanna do unarmed dont do monk at all

some have said ritualist cause no wep but 3rd ring others said huntress cause crit cap would be very easy

[umbral seal]

I'm sure those fellas are correct when they say monk probably isn't optimal

But that's what I'm doing anyway

[blissful olive]

yeah but what i was talking about before

i know warrior is slower sure but 1 normal attack exploding the screen monk cant do anything even remotely close to this they just get fucked

it makes me wonder wtf the design philosophy is here

they might be able to but u would need a bunch of str to even use herald of ash but at that point ehh idk

its weird

if im being honest its def neat that u can do whatever on pre much any class BUT i feel like another class doing whats designed for monk but better

i feel like something is off there

[umbral seal]

Perhaps.

Anyway, anyone up for a game?

[blissful olive]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/774380589825523752/895792260896129094/unknown.png?ex=68acdc8e&is=68ab8b0e&hm=d3887d95f5ae8d0a4beee2bc0fd8aeeb53a273ba400141138feb11a8ea31c5c6&

[primal isle]

this set is looking bretty ass to me aside from the treasure sword deck and the neutral victory deck

[blissful olive]

yeah this set is make or break it for me if it doesnt mix shit up i might just call it

[primal isle]

ye unfortunate looks like rune coc will just dominate still

[umbral seal]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Shadowverse/comments/1mzffhw/famitsus_heirs_of_the_omen_reveal_neutral_gold/

Not a bad card, but I'm not sure if it's good enough to see ranked play, outside of a Jerry deck. Decent in take-two.

[blissful olive]

what is jerry honestly i didnt play long enough to see him come out in sv1

[umbral seal]

https://shadowverse-portal.com/card/110041010?lang=en

The original.

No one types out his whole name, they just call him Jerry.

[blissful olive]

doesnt sound that good

no dupes is already bad and effect only works if u have 1 body thats not screaming strong to me

[umbral seal]

This version of him was actually decent in dragon.

Which was considerably stronger in SV1.

[blissful olive]

do u think hes gonna actually be good here or nah

[umbral seal]

The version we have now is substantially worse due to a lack of reliability post-jerry.

Surviving for 10 turns with a highlander deck of every card in this set, in an attempt to get the victory card, seems like a meme to me

I think the best shot of it somewhat working would be in dragon again, because I don't think cards that have an overflow tag work outside of Dragon, unless I'm mistaken.

[blissful olive]

does the victory card do what it sounds like

play and u win ?

[umbral seal]

Pretty much.

I don't even think you have to play it. I think it replaces the reaper card at the bottom of your deck, which is an auto loss

So you just draw the victory card and win

[blissful olive]

would that be good in rune considering their draw power

[umbral seal]

Rune's draw power is irrelevant because they don't have a mechanic, not tied to their constructed decks, that lets them draw more

They lose virtually all of that after Jerry is played. If they try to stack on card draw before Jerry, that's not only delaying your win con but it also doesn't matter outside of the turn Jerry is played, because your hand gets discarded anyway

And the most important thing in a Jerry deck is playing him asap

[blissful olive]

hmm im ngl

it sounds like a meme deck

[umbral seal]

It is.

But for some people, it's a break away from the boring meta shit

I might play it in lobbies but not ranked.

[blissful olive]

yeah i get it

i like interesting decks with fun mechanics

this game kinda lacks that ina way since crafts focus on 1 thing generally opposed to like MTG

[wild gale]

which card will this replace in aggro abyss

[umbral seal]

This is too reactive for aggro abyss.

Like I said, I don't think it's strong enough for ranked play.

[blissful olive]

so its a 3/1 rush if someone evos

idk man

[gritty anvil]

its good

what

its 3/1 rush always no ?

and storm if enemy super evo

[blissful olive]

i thought it said rush on evo

unless translate is whack

[gritty anvil]

oh its on evo ?

[blissful olive]

if it was storm it would be nuts

[gritty anvil]

rush is perma

[umbral seal]

In a vacuum, it's not a bad card but most ranked decks are already very picky with the cards they include. This won't make the cut in most of them.

[gritty anvil]

also giving rush on evo doesnt make sense

well ye its hard to fit it

but its def not bad

crazy take 2 card tho

[umbral seal]

Yeah, I said that earlier. In take two, a card like that is fine.

[blissful olive]

says rush

[gritty anvil]

u always keep this in opening hand

[blissful olive]

so yeah i dont think its gonna be good

[umbral seal]

Bad translation.

[blissful olive]

or good enough rather

[gritty anvil]

its perma rush

[umbral seal]

It gets storm when the enemy super evos

[gritty anvil]

yes

[blissful olive]

on super evo? oh

[gritty anvil]

so in worst case

[blissful olive]

honestly eh nah

[gritty anvil]

its 3/1 rush

for 3

that not terrible

still removal

[blissful olive]

we'll see

right now a card like that isnt really making anyone scratch their heads

[gritty anvil]

i think sword might run this card

tbh

like aggro sword

[blissful olive]

idk i think were tied up enough on what goes in sword already

[gritty anvil]

honestly its good in puppets aswell

i would run it

i think forest

would play her aswell

we need to ask abe

but pretty sure

its good in roach

[umbral seal]

No.

Sword has some of the best 3 drops in the game already. That slot is very stacked.

[primal isle]

storm haven support

[umbral seal]

It would be bad deck building to replace any of their 3's with that card

[warped granite]

That 3 drop sword princess is low-mid key busted

[umbral seal]

It's not "low key" at this point. She's very strong. Sword has a lot of strong removal options that don't require an evo.

Hound of War is also still a very strong card, but got cut because Sword's overall card quality is too high

[warped granite]

Removal + deck thinning, awesome

[umbral seal]

Yet Hops is trying to tell me a vanilla 3/1 that turns into storm after an opponent uses s-evo (reactive) will see play? lol no

Combo Roach would not play this card either. Tempo Forest? Maybe

The question of "will this card see play" isn't really a matter of if a card is good in a vacuum. It's "is this card better than what it'd be replacing"

Aggro Abyss could potentially play this over the bat girl but the bat girl is better on curve. Worse after s-evo is used.

[unkempt lava]

I know for sure I'm not spending money on this game anymore

[gritty anvil]

mark my word we gonna see it