Shadowverse

[mystic tartan]

my deck doesnt have it

[true abyss]

Nah they cut foresight long ago

[mystic tartan]

[gritty anvil]

this

[mystic tartan]

yeah fuck foresight

no foresight for me

[true abyss]

No william, troll deck

[gritty anvil]

no

wiliam is brick

well wiliam is ok

[mystic tartan]

william is good

[true abyss]

Ur trolling

[gritty anvil]

if u facing too much sword

[mystic tartan]

against ward haven

thats all

[fading echo]

also the zwei card would be puppets so even when they start cutting cards she would still be in puppet deck since there would be other puppet generators it was infinite value

[true abyss]

Sword is like 40% ladder

[gritty anvil]

i have really good winrate with this list so i dont know u keep flame vs haven

[fading echo]

instead we get AI crab hands kuon for a card they don't even use

[mystic tartan]

bruh flame of chaos is even more bricked

[gritty anvil]

issue about wiliam hes too expensive also hes not spell

[gritty anvil]

u trolling

[mystic tartan]

i experience it

[mystic tartan]

it is bricked

[silver tide]

If i remember correctly

[mystic tartan]

if no spellboost

[silver tide]

Only tournament lists play insight

[mystic tartan]

i draw that card 2 times when early game

[gritty anvil]

well flame is kinda ass early game but its way more playable than wiliam later to mid game

[mystic tartan]

against aggro abyss

ITS BRICKED

[silver tide]

You cant afford insight on ladder

[gritty anvil]

wiliam is even more

[silver tide]

You get your shit kicked in by aggro

[gritty anvil]

lmao

u dead on turn 6

[mystic tartan]

i dont even play william against aggro abyss

[silver tide]

But in tourney you play with and against multiclass

[mystic tartan]

Norman time

i remember i pulled both 2 FoC and 2 William early on

oh no no

its joever

i surrend

[gritty anvil]

if i faced too much sword i would maybe run double flame double wiliam

this art is so ass

AI lookin shit

man kinda pissees me off i didnt even try to get to finale

i mean i had 5 tickets

thats not bad

high chance

copege

[mystic tartan]

bro ur coping

only 100 player chosen over how many lul

from ur team

its slim to none

and u know the Japanese grind it like crazy

[fading echo]

30,160 peak

not that many at least on steam

[gritty anvil]

bruh i would win and zwei would won thanks to me

[mystic tartan]

yeah im playing on mobile

most of the time

[true abyss]

You should have logged on at the correct time then

[fading echo]

i have 40 cards on the deck how it possible to happen every fucking time i mulligan something i get the copy of it again

[gritty anvil]

ye i didnt know its only 30 min

[silver tide]

you can get the exact copy back

its fucking stupid

i know cuz i milled a one of and got it back before

[fading echo]

play rune until it gets nerfed

the event is pretty easy to rig too just like the chest events

they can just pick a bunch of japanese people for the team they want to see winning and pick a bunch of offline gringos for the teams they wanna see losing

and then be like guys the point system just happened to pick the least profitable card to give you for free but don't worry we will sell the other two

[wild gale]

Man I can't be bothered to do shadowverse dailies anymore

This shit feels so exhausting

I'm burnt out fr

Will log in for daily packs only until omen ig

[red plover]

cant you do it against the bot matches too though

or just cant be bothered to play

[wild gale]

Can't be bothered to play

I'm even debating not collecting the pack

[red plover]

I c

[fading echo]

at least jp twitter hates them too

[red plover]

its hard not to hate rune

[fading echo]

another review just hit the steam page

[warped granite]

Lolololololololol

It is bullshit tbh

[red plover]

it was always a possibility

for me it doesnt matter since I dont play any of those classes

[blissful olive]

steam reviews mean nothing to the japanese whales

[gritty anvil]

wait few days for new expansion

[blissful olive]

11 days

[blissful olive]

any1 down for weekly match 1 or 5 idc

[red plover]

I can do a quick one if you still need it

[blissful olive]

sure

i dont think i have u

[red plover]

can just go to the guild right

[blissful olive]

no

[red plover]

oh

well same name here

[blissful olive]

i dont need name

i need ur numbers sir

[red plover]

are you not in the guild at all

[blissful olive]

no

[red plover]

612064298948

[blissful olive]

ok sent

[red plover]

Im here

[blissful olive]

i'll aggro

[red plover]

do you want a real deck or can I suicide

[blissful olive]

die lol

[red plover]

speed run

[blissful olive]

ty

[red plover]

np

[true abyss]

Weekly anyone?

[blissful olive]

pov the game becomes unplayable

@true abyss

i can do weekly

ima just pass

ok hes ded

[fading echo]

5pp 4/4 spell boost the hand 3 times summon 5/5 with ward and rush evolution choose a target to deal 3 damage

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1384399316252233800/1384473531290619984/DINGDONG.gif

[cursive crypt]

[red plover]

fair and balanced

[fading echo]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Shadowverse/comments/1mspzho/the_chinese_servers_arent_run_by_cygames_so/ bruuuuuh

anyone from china can do a solid and send the client?

[red plover]

man, I wish I could play take two 24/7 but its so damn expensive

[blissful olive]

yeah unless ur getting like 5 wins or something each time its not worth

save for packs

[red plover]

the fun it gives me is worth more than packs

[gritty anvil]

remember dont play take two unless u need packs from evolved otherwise its not that worth in my opinion u would need to go consistently really high wins so even old packs dont bother u

*current packs

saying this because u can burn through your rupies real fast and u end up with almost none or 0 rupies before new set with packs u already have tons of cards from u gonna have vials but u not gonna open anything from new packs and there where its all fun

[blissful olive]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1361796918342193243/1406743869256896572/image.png?ex=68a393d2&is=68a24252&hm=b5b3ea727bd94fe470a5cd33f19e64c8411f8d4f5ac79aa9813c00d7eb35e8bd&

hoard everything

[gritty anvil]

ye save this and play take two

with new set

[blissful olive]

fuck u LMAO

30k si 60 packs i'll have maybe 70 by set release

[gritty anvil]

i mean u just need to go 3 wins atleast on average to benefit thats really not hard and u get more value than buying packs from shop

but if u dont enjoy take two

[gritty anvil]

yes but u would likely have more if u play on day 1 new take two and just spam it until u run out

but i get it some ppl want to poen packs instantly

and not just play milion games

[blissful olive]

nah i rather just open my packs day 1

[gritty anvil]

of take two

until they got packs

[blissful olive]

idc about take 2 much

get ready

[gritty anvil]

i think its really smart to play take two this early a lot of ppl gonna be clueless with new cards u can take advantage of it if u actually know what all new cards doing

[blissful olive]

for the 3rd round of chest event

whos hype

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1051298416845672508.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[gritty anvil]

i want to play take two anyways for achivements

[gritty anvil]

when it start ?

i dont mind ranked chests

[blissful olive]

same day as set probably

[gritty anvil]

GP in 2 days

[umbral seal]

Anyone tryna run some games?

[blissful olive]

i can help if u need weekly

[red plover]

now if I only could manage this every time

[red plover]

that I won my last match from this point on was a miracle

[fading echo]

abyss cucked

[mystic tartan]

any weeklies ?

[mystic tartan]

@true abyss help me 1 match

[true abyss]

Not playing now, work

[mystic tartan]

okayeg

later then

[red plover]

actually making some profit

[blissful olive]

the only format haven can win

[red plover]

not completely useless

rare skullfane not being completely irrelevant moment too

I would love to play take two just casually with no rewards, wonder why that isnt a thing

[blissful olive]

no reason to have it

no game does that really

[red plover]

really, first time playing a game like this, thought at least heartstone had it but I also never watched it to know

[warped granite]

Ok the review bombing is funny as hell

The rule has been clear from day 1, should've review bombed back then

[red plover]

surely they are gonna change something

[blissful olive]

u got me fucked up

[red plover]

[warped granite]

Fuck that shit

Don't reward them

[blissful olive]

if it was 500 ok but 1200

are u fucking kidding

[mystic tartan]

i killed a rune player using double silent rider

[blissful olive]

you are a rune player

[mystic tartan]

[blissful olive]

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fgp-rewards-gildaria-sleeves-also-seems-like-gp-ticket-v0-mwtajhxsbrjf1.jpeg%3Fwidth%3D1080%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D480100df6c707cb2c901f403886f2c0527bf59e3

[wild gale]

Least greedy cygames decision

[warped granite]

Thank god for aggrobyss

8 damage ghost I love cygames balancing

[brisk adder]

https://x.com/imagi_101/status/1957086568604164507?t=EIx1VCzBIlZ-EN4qcGt6Rg&s=19

imagi 🐸 comms open (@imagi_101)

Really guys... Im upset about the results as well but was review bombing Shadowverse on steam really necessary 😭

X · Aug 17, 2025, 2:26 PM

[warped granite]

not really but it's funny

[fading echo]

The twitter post drinking slop from the fountain

[silver tide]

everyone posting this under their recent tweets

its not tanoshii

[fading echo]

They hid the results and then kuon won out of nowhere https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/680209827468804199/1407033384873496616/totally_not_rigged_results.jpg

[true abyss]

Spellboost

Dclimb into coc into another dclimb into lethal

[blissful olive]

i wish daria would D climb me

[fading echo]

Dev wallet boost

[blissful olive]

[unkempt lava]

https://youtu.be/phWcchpjHB4

Omens coming out?

Makes sense since this is normal sized card set

[red plover]

people have been saying that because of the silhouette in the roadmap

[blissful olive]

yeah ppl been saying omen

[umbral seal]

Burn Dragon meta, depending on how they re-print Galmieux

[blissful olive]

surely this is the set with ramp

[mystic tartan]

1 game bro

help me

[blissful olive]

wtf

[mystic tartan]

any homie can help for 1 game

[blissful olive]

if ur around in 3 hours when reset sure lol

[mystic tartan]

[umbral seal]

Unlikely.

I expect Galmieux and a lot of support around her (damaging your own followers for effects)

[blissful olive]

surely cygames hates dragon

[fading echo]

They hate everything that isn't rune or sword

[blissful olive]

lowkey true

next set rune getting a card that just says

you win

https://tenor.com/view/shake-my-hand-wadi-panda-alright-shake-on-it-gif-21455170

[fading echo]

Needs 3 other effects to be a rune card

"You win the enemy goes bald and his dog dies"

Now it's a rune card

I love never getting punished because i heal back to 12 from 4 hp balanced gaming

[blissful olive]

past turn 5 your border line jesus

[fading echo]

He tried rushing too that's how i got to 4 hp but the heal card can also just deal 4 damage to everything

[lone agate]

ewwww

why did i get rune stuff in my gifts

did they won the event?

[red plover]

yes

[lone agate]

[fading echo]

Turns out the first part with millions of points was only worth 10% of the final score

And what really mattered was 300 players in a tournament

[lone agate]

[fading echo]

In a rng game that you brick once and lose

[lone agate]

the most ugly art

won

crazy

[fading echo]

It's AI art

His hand is melting

And his other arm is broken+long as fuck

[blissful olive]

i thought so too

it was the most odd out of the 3 of them for sure

[fading echo]

look at it in high ress

100% slop

[umbral seal]

I just saw the strangest thing imaginable. Rune player lost against my aggro abyss, requested a rematch, and proceeded to pass every turn before conceding

???

Ban incoming, I guess

[blissful olive]

yeah ur cooked

pack it up

[unkempt lava]

I take back about filene being trash. I need her solely for the extra card to discard

[gritty anvil]

bro

if u think filene is bad u have problem

its good card in all phases of game is it broken no but she def not trash

filene is just really solid card for legos but not broken tier like orchis for example

zwei for example is even worse than filene that card doesnt do much i dont get why she end up lego i guess rose queen is also lego and shes even worse than zwei

[umbral seal]

Haven mains aren't exactly good at card evaluation.

Hence the class they main.

[gritty anvil]

lol

man i really want to try bald guy forest but i dont have cards for it

and fuck crafting that

i would play in that deck basically every fairy generator

and like 1 rose queen for memes

[unkempt lava]

Filene 2 cost bane. That alone is pretty good

[gritty anvil]

so why u saying shes trash

nice gaslight

[unkempt lava]

But needing to use either super evolve or another card to setup the destroy all damaged is the part that is trash

[gritty anvil]

well but in current dragon

its pretty easy to damage

stuff

because a lot of rushes

[unkempt lava]

My deck doesn't have much aoe

[gritty anvil]

also apollo is just good card in general

[umbral seal]

I will never understand fellas being afraid to use evos. They're a resource.

[unkempt lava]

I don't use apollo

[gritty anvil]

ye i mean 5 mana normal evo destroy entire board

is pretty strong

and leave 2/2 body with bane

[unkempt lava]

Apollo is bait. I tried to use him. But I'll rather have another card that can do either hard removal or kill

[gritty anvil]

4/4

its not on turn 5 play but thats fine

well it can be if u ramp

filene vs aggro abyss can save your life because shes basically only thing that can remove beryl early

also she can kill that 3/3 2 mana ward from sword

[gritty anvil]

apollo isnt bait what u saying

in ramp hes good

[unkempt lava]

Apollo is bait

[gritty anvil]

thats cap

[unkempt lava]

He's bait

I don't want to see apollo when i used the 1/2 cost card

[gritty anvil]

im not saying hes like 3 copies but 2 is not bad

in my current ramp i only run 1

for example

but its because i dont have space

[umbral seal]

Triple Fennie in this meta is bait. I also don't like using Burnite over Draconic Strike.

[unkempt lava]

You don't see apollo when you want him then

[gritty anvil]

oh actually

[unkempt lava]

Burnite super evolve control ramp

[gritty anvil]

u can also combo with divine thunder

[unkempt lava]

That's my deck

[gritty anvil]

i run 1 thunder + 1 apollo

[unkempt lava]

I just use the 3 cost from filene to discard with burnite

[gritty anvil]

burnite super evo doesnt do much unless u about to win in few turns

[unkempt lava]

Or liu feng

Dragonslayer for anne&grea match up

[umbral seal]

Like I do not imagine how that list could maintain above a 55% w/r in master diamond, honestly. Even a more optimized dragon list struggles in that mmr.

[gritty anvil]

dont play that 1 mana drake its shit

i would rather play dragonewt girl

[unkempt lava]

I'm somehow holding sapphire with this list

[gritty anvil]

well because ramp is solid into sword in general u have lots of aoe and heals

[umbral seal]

Maintaining sapphire & maintaining diamond are two entirely different things. I can hold sapphire by constantly deck-swapping.

[gritty anvil]

and on ladder there is a lot of sword

[umbral seal]

That's how much easier it is.

[unkempt lava]

I know

I get diamond then drop in 8 games

[gritty anvil]

only 2 twilight in fennie deck is crazy

[umbral seal]

Depends. If you can survive the early & mid game, Dragon tends to take over.

[unkempt lava]

I have 3 burnite to cover for 1 less twlight

And a divine thunder

[umbral seal]

Twilight is a better card. If anything, you should have 1 less burnite.

[unkempt lava]

Sometimes my hand is full for that super evolve on twlight. Don't want to burn cards

[gritty anvil]

also twilight dragon can kill evo amalia or barrier golems from normans

u should 100% run 3

in this meta

[unkempt lava]

I can divine thunder then half off burnite

[umbral seal]

Super evo twilight is situational and not something you should aim to do.

If your hand is full, just don't super evo him.

I don't understand this take.

[gritty anvil]

true but in fennie deck particually its very powerful after fennie is played if your hand is not full

[umbral seal]

Fennie decks already run so much draw outside of twilight's super evo that you rarely need to do that

[gritty anvil]

ye i mean twilight dragon super evo is still very situational

u should not do it always of course

[umbral seal]

Like, in my list, I run 2x odin, 2x forte, 2 genesis. I quite literally don't want to evo twilight drake unless I have to because I want extra reach

[gritty anvil]

basically if u have small hand and no other card draw and your cards are low value

u evo

[unkempt lava]

I tried using forte. I get ward walled some times

[gritty anvil]

lol i run exactly that

2 2 2

i have no coc no fennie in my deck

and i still run 3 twilight

[umbral seal]

Have not run into that issue. If you're being ward walled, there's usually a better play to do instead of forte

[gritty anvil]

0 burnite tho

if i faced only sword nothing else i would add burnite prolly but prolly still not

[umbral seal]

Fennie I run as a 2 of because when she does go off, she allows you to do things that let you burst down decks like Rune before they can actually heal it off

[unkempt lava]

I run 2 fennie. I don't see her

[gritty anvil]

in a lot of cases draconic strike is enough

vs sword

[unkempt lava]

I ramp then don't see her. It's pain

[umbral seal]

Sometimes you don't want to see her.

Aggro abyss in particular will just not allow you to play her

[gritty anvil]

not playing odin in ramp

is trolling

[umbral seal]

Against Rune, I will straight up keep Fennie in my mulligan

[unkempt lava]

Vs sword zenova still hitting even if you draconic strike

[umbral seal]

If you have an empty board, sure.

Before draconic strike existed, I often found myself being one turn too late to respond with Burnite against Zirconia

[gritty anvil]

i can see why ppl not playing forte but odin u should play 2-3

[umbral seal]

Which is why Burnite is no longer in my dragon lists

[gritty anvil]

fennie deck 2-3 odin triple genesis

forte u can skip

[unkempt lava]

I tried using odin instead of dragon slayer. But i need the early tempo

Why odin when you can hit force with 9 atk dragon

[gritty anvil]

what

[unkempt lava]

The 4 cost 2/2 removal

[gritty anvil]

its overprize do nothing u just kill something its actually tempo lost

where odin goes face

and it also banishes

thats big difference

and also target amulets

aswell

[unkempt lava]

Dragon slayer for anne&grea

[gritty anvil]

ok u can kill also AG with merman

[unkempt lava]

The big 5/5 wall

[umbral seal]

I wouldn't say slayer is that great of a tempo play because it's just a 2/2. Merman is better despite costing 1 more.

[gritty anvil]

like slayer is not bad card but saying hes better than odin

thats cap

[unkempt lava]

No

Dragon slayer for anne&grea

Other than that. Target for burnite discard or staff

[gritty anvil]

just run divine thunder

actually in a lot of cases

[umbral seal]

Unironically, slayer is literally just Knightly Rending

[gritty anvil]

divine thunder is better

[unkempt lava]

Divine thunder doesn't target anne&grea but the taunt

[gritty anvil]

divine thunder kills even 10/10 from kuon or gundam

and its also great vs 1/1 aggro

[umbral seal]

Assuming they don't evo. They usually do.

[gritty anvil]

lmao

[unkempt lava]

I run 1 of divine thunder

[gritty anvil]

i mean its your deck run what u want

but playing 0 odins in ramp

is trolling

[umbral seal]

Even spellboost rune runs Odin

Running zero copies in any deck is trolling

[unkempt lava]

This is burnite control ramp

[umbral seal]

Straight up

[gritty anvil]

burnite control ?

wtf is that

[unkempt lava]

I cooked it

[gritty anvil]

burnite effect in a lot of times is completely useless

actually burnite would make even more sense if u played more storm cards

but u dont

[umbral seal]

You know, Burnite is not a bad board clear, but she actually goes against the core principle of control decks. Conserving resources while keeping yourself alive for the late game. She fulfills the latter half but she reduces your card advantage.

[gritty anvil]

exactly yes

i completely forget u need to discard aswell

[unkempt lava]

That's why you have filene

[gritty anvil]

[unkempt lava]

I have her just for that extra card to discard

[gritty anvil]

so u saying u do 2-3 aoe

just run draconic strike

without discarding

[umbral seal]

Discarding filene's extra card to do 3 damage aoe when you could use filene's extra card to indiscriminately destroy any board, whether they have stealth, aura

Like what

[gritty anvil]

and u even discount something

[unkempt lava]

Doesn't have a 7/7 or 10/10 with super evolve

[gritty anvil]

well im not gonna say to u what to run but i have like 500 dragon wins this SV

[unkempt lava]

Removal + body. That's a good control card

Draconic strike is bait

[gritty anvil]

ye but sometimes thats not enough

if most of their cards

goes face

also burnite gets odined and they go face

[umbral seal]

Rarely do I agree with Hops but this is just card game basics 101

[unkempt lava]

-1 odin

[gritty anvil]

nah u agree with me bunch of times already not always

[unkempt lava]

I will remain cooking

[umbral seal]

Well, lately, yes.

At the start of launch, no

[gritty anvil]

ye because i wasnt that sure of game yet

[umbral seal]

I'm still trying to understand how Renpa's deck beats Rune with only 2 storm cards

Or do you just hope to never see Rune?

[gritty anvil]

now after playing many games i see whats the problem

yes

its so weird

in fennie deck only 2 storm cards

[unkempt lava]

I do

[gritty anvil]

he really think he can win with just through burnite or what

[unkempt lava]

I have more than enough removal and swarm for rune

[umbral seal]

Like with 3x fennie & double genesis, you basically have to pray for the double genesis otk after fennie

[gritty anvil]

u know u gonna die on turn 10 vs rune

right ?

[umbral seal]

You don't have more swarm than every other ramp list I've seen, mine included. If you did, you'd be running Garyu

[gritty anvil]

and they can keep warding

they can always cuck your 10 mana genesis

unless u miracle draw into your 2 copies genesis

after playing fennie

[umbral seal]

Removal is always important but that's not the key to beating Rune

[unkempt lava]

3/4 w/l vs runes looking at my replays

With the deck

2/6 with abyss. Wrost match up

3/6 vs sword

[gritty anvil]

btw when i played coc dragon without single storm card only way i won if i ramped my ass out and play coc fast enough but even if i did that i still lose to rune sometimes

i basically needed to highroll vs rune

otherwise i had no chance

also your deck gonna lose to forest

[unkempt lava]

That why you run 3 fennie

[gritty anvil]

omega hard

2 genesis is not enough to run down forest

[unkempt lava]

Draw make cards 1-3 cost then play entire deck

[gritty anvil]

actually in my current ramp i even play double garyu

i bring him back

but hes def cuttable

[unkempt lava]

I also like to have the 3 coet draw 2 in mulligan. Card draw is always nice

[gritty anvil]

i basically run 2 forte 2 odin 2 genesis 2 garyu as storm cards

in mullian ?

mulligan ?

naah u troll

[unkempt lava]

It's good

Trust

[gritty anvil]

u literally should never keep that

[unkempt lava]

I do

[gritty anvil]

mistake

[unkempt lava]

I get some wins with it

[gritty anvil]

???

i dont win because of that

*u

[unkempt lava]

1 more card less that isn't fennie. Or 1 more card that is fennie

[gritty anvil]

[unkempt lava]

I am ramp god

[gritty anvil]

hookay buddy

i just got baited

[unkempt lava]

I am one with the ramp

You guys aren't all in the casino dragon wagon

[gritty anvil]

actually u know what card is good for discarding for burnite dragonsign late game

if i hated sword i would play something like this but im gonna lose to rune and forest in like 80% cases

but ye even in deck like this not running odin is kinda trolling

its kinda funny because even if u dont care for face dmg from odin its still really strong control cards in deck because its only thing that can target amulets

[gritty anvil]

hes keep growing

[blissful olive]

imagine u do that and a random divine thunder comes out

[fading echo]

Imagine leaving karula alive to go face

[fading echo]

Not only i got the win i also roped this match because fuck rune

[gritty anvil]

that would be crazy in sword lol but it was ruby

could happen

[fading echo]

He's so pissed instant alt f4 when I'm out of odin and albert range

Griefing people is awesome

[blissful olive]

yeah fuck you forest

[fading echo]

balanced turn 6

sword mirrors is all about who has more zicornias

[fading echo]

puppet making a come back

[cursive crypt]

lol

what are the chances

[unkempt lava]

I don't see many runes now

Huh

[fading echo]

that happens to me so much when i'm bricked it's crazy

[umbral seal]

Improved from 23% to 39%

The goal next season will be to stay above 50%

[fading echo]

win streak gone game decided to throw me a rune match and they got to turn 10 after healing for 12

great balance

fuck these group ranks actually if i'm not playing aggro abyss i'm just gonna skip rune games

2 rune games back to back on portal i switch to abyss and now i get sword and then dragon

matchmaking not rigged

[umbral seal]

Sword is difficult but it's not unwinnable. Neither is dragon, that's actually aggro abyss favored

However, your list is not optimized so your results won't be the same even if you're mulliganing and piloting perfectly.

[fading echo]

yeah but the game spams me with rune when i'm on portal and they're gone the moment i switch to the counter

[umbral seal]

Aggro abyss isn't a counter match up. It's 60/40 at best.

If you wanted an actual Rune counter, you'd be playing Roach.

Because you can't outheal an otk and Roach has several otk routes that come online before turn 10

[fading echo]

roach is too stressful

[umbral seal]

Perhaps. I'm just telling you what you should be playing if you truly wanted to counter Rune.

[fading echo]

i have roach but i feel when i'm playing roach the game just puts me versus all the ward havens in the game

[umbral seal]

The only time I see Haven more than once every 100 games is in ruby mmr

It barely exists above that

[fading echo]

yeah but i keep wanting to play portal so i keep dropping to topaz

then i get mad at how shitty the balance is and climb back with sword

then i play portal again and go back down

the cycle never ends

like it works but

no roach you lose

[umbral seal]

Roach's draw engine is literally on par with Rune, it's less than a 5% chance to not have one roach by the time you should have lethal, assuming an average draw or better

And if you're somehow that scared of bricking, despite a draw engine that, once again, is on par with Rune, you can tech in grasshopper

Most people consider it top 3 for a reason

[fading echo]

so you always keep the godwin on mulligan?

[umbral seal]

I don't play Roach but if I did, I would always keep one

The best time to play it is on curve

I've seen multiple diamond master forest players coin it out

That's how important it is

[fading echo]

true it feels kinda like dragonsign

i guess you can break through norman shield golem if you hold 2 pixies a may and a bug alert

and it's all 1 cost so helps with combo

[fading echo]

i just lost to two runes on roach not sure if i'm not seeing lethal or if i'm making the wrong combos or if i just don't have it

[umbral seal]

Post the replays and post the decklist

[fading echo]

the damage was so low i didn't try to bounce the roach twice at the end

[umbral seal]

I'm only on turn 4 and I already see several lines of play I don't agree with

[fading echo]

i think i posted the same one twice

i don't really know what to do i never watched a roach guide i just watched people play

[umbral seal]

Firstly, I don't understand why you'd play garden's allure over fairy fencer on turn 4. Despite Rune's healing, early chip damage still matters. Not to mention, I typically see people play garden's allure to reduce their hand size via fusion before drawing cards.

Secondly, using lily on a 2/2 is a massive misplay

You had May in your hand

What do you think the main purpose of lily is? Getting through large hp targets.

Even if you didn't play fencer on turn 2, which you should've, invocation + fairy still activates may

[fading echo]

i didn't wanna drop may and then not draw another one and get norman blocked

[wild gale]

Wasting lily on a 2/2 is fucking bonkers

Wtf was that play

[umbral seal]

You have multiple ways to get through Norman without May, this is terrible logic

To the point that I almost think you're trolling

[wild gale]

If the rune dropped an Anne and grea

That would have been omega value

[umbral seal]

Lily is far more important of a card than May

[umbral seal]

It is

The fact that Quiet can't see something so obvious tells me he makes misplays every turn

Like I said, I'm only on turn 4

And I already see 2 major misplays

[fading echo]

okay makes sense but how would i get though double norman golem without may?

[umbral seal]

With lily evo? You have fairies to pop the barriers

Lilly evo by herself kills Norman even if he's behind golems

Which is the most important thing, not necessarily killing everything otb if you cannot

[wild gale]

Drop fairies use lily to Evo kill Norman then slam into a golem

[umbral seal]

The fact that even Mango sees something so obvious

Should tell you that you're objectively wrong

[wild gale]

I'm a roach player

[umbral seal]

I don't even play roach, I just play against good roach players

And what I'm seeing right now is bad

[fading echo]

wouldn't that still leave one golem?

i guess it's good that it kills norman + 1

[umbral seal]

Most classes cannot fully clear Norman + 2 golems

The most important part is not taking 7 or 8 to the face

Not sure why you cannot see that

[fading echo]

i never watched a guide on it never played sv1 i'm just winging it on combo decks

[wild gale]

They wasted their Norman and now you have a 3/2 on board with a card draw

[umbral seal]

I don't watch guides period. This is just a basic card game concept, regardless of what deck you're playing

Just because a play is not perfect does not mean it's not the best play available

Understanding 1 pp -> 3 damage is less useful than 2 pp -> reduce any hp to 1

Is also something you don't need a guide to understand

Understanding early tempo is why you shouldn't have played allure over fencer on turn 2

Is also something you don't need a guide to understand

[wild gale]

You need to push damage against rune since they are evil and can heal gazillion

You know

I watched past turn 4

And my jaw nearly dropped

Wtf

[fading echo]

[wild gale]

You gotta look up how the JP people play forest

No wonder you're on a losing streak

[umbral seal]

That and getting even 2 dmg chip against Rune can lull them into a false sense of security

Now you don't need to full otk, you just need 18, which is very doable on turn 8

It's funny, even in sv1, I never watched a roach guide

And that version was harder despite roach being 2 pp

[wild gale]

They nerfed it because haven roach was too good

Turn 5 OTK

[warped granite]

I had my worst tilt loss streak yesterday 12 losses in a row

im pretty sure there were some misplays in those games but when youre tilted you didnt see it

[wild gale]

This is why I play aggro abyss

[warped granite]

all 12 were aggro abyss

last game was against 4/5/6/7/8 alouette - aloutte - garula - garula - ralmia - ralmia though so that one was nothing I could do

anyways I started winning again after I took a break so it's probably the tilt

[wild gale]

Iwould have won

[warped granite]

youre welcome to push through 24 points of healing

[wild gale]

I would have aragavy evolved

Aragavy evolved

Olivia super evolved

Olivia super evolve

Ginjetsu

Ginjetsu again

And won

[warped granite]

damn wish i couldve thought of that

[wild gale]

I know

Bit of a skill issue on your part

[cursive crypt]

Broo u coulda just bounced lambent 3x and have 3 0 cost by turn 8

Also u don't care about overdrawing cause u have all the combo pieces already in hand

Used 0 cost for no reason

[wild gale]

Rune is actually braindead class

Fought a sapphire master

He actually let his Anne and grea hit my 1/1 after I misplayed

[wild gale]

I fought against 4 rune matches with aggro abyss

Holy dogshit draws

Didn't have any 1 or 2 drops throughout

When I started 1st

Meanwhile rune drawing all their sagelight Normans kuons Anne and grea

[fading echo]

This is the list lhv rikka was showing on stream but he's not playing it he's playing ward

[mystic tartan]

bruh i fucking missclick my sevo

[fading echo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1061742045565308989/1407691903536730183/image.png?ex=68a706bf&is=68a5b53f&hm=ba45ce62694fdbd9be0980cc09c925c9f4e1ffad09dc80586edfa3c2f63bdd3c&

[fading echo]

I did that once now i evo by clicking the card

[mystic tartan]

i lost cus of that

[fading echo]

[mystic tartan]

[mystic tartan]

i threw so much in grand prix

all 3 attempt

3-2

[fading echo]

I did it guys i actually used my brain instead of playing like a bald retard

20 damage through norman with 1 golem

I didn't know you could keep fusing bad cards into that 2 cost draw 2 to get rid of bricks

Do portal gears also work like that?

[blissful olive]

yes u can fuse into nothing

[wild gale]

Good you are now playing better than lacari

[cursive crypt]

ye but u can only fuse once a turn

its like a convenient trash can

[warped granite]

I had to rune it up for 4 1

[blissful olive]

if rune is still dumb af next set i might make it lol

i got 70 packs and 50k vials atm ready

but i want daria man

[umbral seal]

Kaori is better

And I've been a massive Daria fan since sv1

[blissful olive]

i'll take daria anyday

[fading echo]

The last match the guy threw so hard he had lethal but he didn't super evo and skipped the turn

[gritty anvil]

there is no really point playing after u qualify right ?

there actually isnt even any grand prix related achivements

[fading echo]

Yeah if you're already on group A you can't get anything better

Not sure if you can get chests after qualifying though

There's the chest reward after the qualifying runs

I got two packs and some gold

[gritty anvil]

im pretty sure u still get reward chests

but value from it is really low

u got 2 packs for 4 wins ?

[fading echo]

i got 2 in total i think the 4 wins was 1 pack

i also got 1 when i failed the first try

third zwei from the daily

puppet buffs

[blissful olive]

killing myself after this match frfr

[gritty anvil]

thats a lot of face dmg

its actually lethal if u manage to evo all face and survive and they dont heal

[blissful olive]

yeah fuck that

not worth playing out lmao

[gritty anvil]

lol i havent seen artifact portal players in while

[blissful olive]

brick city today

love it here

[gritty anvil]

honestly dont play 3 serpents

in mid shadow

[blissful olive]

nah its fine

[gritty anvil]

2 is actually perfect number because u dont want to draw it early

[blissful olive]

its still removal its fine

[gritty anvil]

well vs aggro its removal that killing u so even if u remove beryl with it u still took damage

[blissful olive]

thats the best turn 2 u could do vs aggro actually lol

[gritty anvil]

its basically like that beryl still attacked once for 2

i wish there was no own face dmg

if u cast it on follower

but i guess that would be kinda op

[blissful olive]

[umbral seal]

Beat Rune as aggro abyss after 2x Norman, double sagelight & a dclimb

[gritty anvil]

what how

how did u not run out of cards

[umbral seal]

I run 3 olivia's for a reason

Every single card in my deck is an intentional choice.

[blissful olive]

i mean

what lmao

[umbral seal]

This is probably the only deck where I haven't swapped cards every few games

[umbral seal]

Do you think running 3x olivia is incorrect for some reason? If so, we can gladly run some games

Not running Olivia is operating under the assumption that you win on turn 7 or lose

[blissful olive]

i mean i intentionally put cards in my deck too

[umbral seal]

The deck has enough room to include insurances

Personally hope aggro abyss doesn't get more support because even though I crush mirrors, I'd rather not face mirrors more often.

[blissful olive]

it'l prob get a little something

if this is a big set its 2 be expected

[umbral seal]

If anything, control needs the most help and not just by nerfing Rune.

[blissful olive]

the only thing aggro lacks is a legendary tbh

[umbral seal]

I'm going to assume you mean a legendary that is specifically aggro only. Technically, that card is already Aragavy

It's just that his fanfare is so good that every abyss list runs him

[blissful olive]

yeah gavy is there but u know what i mean lol

[umbral seal]

Midrange or control don't evo him that often

Aggro always will.

[blissful olive]

yeah i rarely do in general

unless i high roll really hard

[umbral seal]

The only thing I would want, if they're not going to reintroduce Vengeance/Wrath as a mechanic, is to reinclude it with legendary cards

Aggro Abyss is already there, but right now, they're self damaging for no reason.

[blissful olive]

with how aggro focused this game is right now we would need broken AF vengeance cards to even make it work out

[umbral seal]

If there's an early game card that sets you to 10 life, aggro abyss would barely care about that since most decks aren't even in counter lethal range until turns 6-7, if at all

Which is where aggro abyss is usually winning the game anyway

I also want blood wolf back but that's definitely not happening. Aggro Abyss would be tier 0 off that alone.

[blissful olive]

honestly feel like super evo's are the problem in this game

[umbral seal]

They are but I don't think cygames is going to nerf super evo

They should, but won't

[blissful olive]

its 2 late for that now

if it was up to me id give us 1 sevo not 2 but were 2 late in the game for this shit

[fading echo]

sevo not taking contact damage really ruins defensive plays

[blissful olive]

yeah

ur immortal

[warped granite]

Sword will be even more powerful at this stage

Gildaria free sevo

[mystic tartan]

alright sword is just too op

i tried rune 5 times no luck

meanwhile sword

1 try and im in group A

sword is just more consistent against random bs

[gritty anvil]

what u didnt qualify 5 times ?

with rune

[mystic tartan]

i threw and mald q

it happens

[gritty anvil]

lol

btw what list u play

rune

[mystic tartan]

hybrid

[gritty anvil]

i know

but show list

[mystic tartan]

its the same as u except i dont run foresight

[gritty anvil]

thats mistake

u know for example

without foresight u cant do into storm blast

[mystic tartan]

nah its not that important

[gritty anvil]

and cant kill berly

beryl

it is

and its cycle

1 mana spellboost and cycle

[mystic tartan]

nah i will die on that foresight is bad

i rather quit

if i have to play foresight

[gritty anvil]

i mean its not that great overall card but u kinda forced to run it

because there is no replecement for it

[mystic tartan]

my hate to it is unmeasurable

[gritty anvil]

but why

because it won ?

[mystic tartan]

nah

i already hate that shit before the fest

its just unlucky gaming and i threw

i go 3-2 for 4 times straight

[gritty anvil]

but ye i guarantee u if u run it in your list u propably qualify with it

[mystic tartan]

also i could fucking won that last game against sword

[gritty anvil]

lol

[mystic tartan]

but my dshift fucking gone

from deck

[gritty anvil]

oh also vs sword ye if they coin 2 drop into 3/3 ward it literally save your life foresight into storm blast

[gritty anvil]

wait what u mean gone

u already played all 3 ?

[mystic tartan]

no dshift till i turn 10

plus no kuon and no anne and grea

that makes me insta mald q

[gritty anvil]

was it discounted enough

to play climb that turn ?

[mystic tartan]

NO I DIDNT GET A SINGLE DCLIMB UNTIL THE GAME IS OVER

[gritty anvil]

i sometimes play climb pre 10

and it can save u

[mystic tartan]

i have 19 cards left

[gritty anvil]

oh

[mystic tartan]

[gritty anvil]

well

vs sword i dont think u shold even keep

climb

[mystic tartan]

also no draw cards too like that 3 gold

[gritty anvil]

anyways

actually maybe yes

depends

what rest u have on hand

vs sword

[mystic tartan]

its literally joever i only have coc

[gritty anvil]

sageligght is super important

and AG

[mystic tartan]

[gritty anvil]

im talking about muligan

[mystic tartan]

either way sword is just more consistent

[gritty anvil]

i mean yes

[mystic tartan]

literally breeze throught with it

[gritty anvil]

because sword

[mystic tartan]

5-0

[gritty anvil]

cant really brick

sword is kinda anti brick

[mystic tartan]

shouldve just play sword

[gritty anvil]

u wasted so much gold

well

not that much

[mystic tartan]

not really

[gritty anvil]

entry cost 500 right ?

[mystic tartan]

it paid off with that sword win

750

[gritty anvil]

oh ye

whats your sword list ?

i actually need to play more sword

i only played little bit of it

not much

[mystic tartan]

only 2 amalia

i might just discard the quickblader

ravening saved my ass against abyss

[gritty anvil]

honestly i feel like quickblade is really good

because hes good even late game

[mystic tartan]

yeah he is good

[gritty anvil]

or mid game

and early on if they dont have removal for him

he can do a lot of dmg

[mystic tartan]

but sometimes i dont kinda need him

[gritty anvil]

https://x.com/1nCRzIHzQnImV95/status/1958219107939332585/photo/2 i might try this list

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#シャドバWB

X · Aug 20, 2025, 5:26 PM

i actually kinda like only 2 alberts

this is basically less aggresive sword list

more midrange

no quickbladers and 2 alberts

[gritty anvil]

but ye sword consistency is insane

[mystic tartan]

[gritty anvil]

so easy to hit diamond with sword

[unkempt lava]

When is next card set

[wild gale]

I played aggro abyss and got decimated by sword

Looks like I will stick to sword

[gritty anvil]

ye sword is just impossible to brick

i played like 20 games rn and i never brick always something on curve

well not always but usually only waste like 1 mana max

[gritty anvil]

lmao beat mirror

with still 3 gildaria on hand

and they would all super evo it was late game

[mystic tartan]

forsen

[mystic tartan]

watchin stream

xdd

[warped granite]

Oh today stream yeah

[mystic tartan]

where is my ticket

[gritty anvil]

lmao forest had almost turn 8 lethal but i outsmorc him as rune

thats funny

perfect hand vs sword

[mystic tartan]

omens

heirs

[warped granite]

Yoo screenshot them

[mystic tartan]

idk i watch this guy

[warped granite]

Streamer within streamer

[mystic tartan]

nah its 1 streamer

swordcraft legendary

Loot

what is that

damn sword is more good

Galmieux

who

[fading echo]

damn finally portal gets a 4pp drop

[brisk adder]

wtf is going on

[fading echo]

card reveal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3qs30WpgSo

[brisk adder]

yeah i hate it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQD0E3OE1k0

he's the one only has the script

[fading echo]

wow so the abyss cards lets you trigger all the fanfare effects at once when there's choices

[mystic tartan]

too handsome

sword heckin love male

[brisk adder]

everything is fucked

[cursive crypt]

@umbral seal rejoice, gilmeaux is one of the leaders available for the next set

[brisk adder]

no new shit?

[cursive crypt]

I'm surprised dragon got leaders 2x in a row tho

[brisk adder]

whats the bp leader?

[cursive crypt]

Not announced yet

[brisk adder]

the sword bp is mid i didnt buy

the abyss bp is a ..... i didnt buy

[cursive crypt]

The BP leaders have been meh

[brisk adder]

yeah

[mystic tartan]

yeah its all male

where female

i might buy

[brisk adder]

the first one?

[mystic tartan]

thats male

[brisk adder]

[mystic tartan]

femboy

[cursive crypt]

4 damage max?

Might be a fraud card

[mystic tartan]

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#ShadowverseWB

X · Aug 21, 2025, 11:12 AM

[cursive crypt]

8 with sevo ig

Not bad

[brisk adder]

[mystic tartan]

WTF YOINK

[cursive crypt]

Galmieux crest would be crazy with Neptune

[mystic tartan]

Gildaria

mine now

[brisk adder]

i saw the neutral omen in the trailer

he's the highlander guy right?

[mystic tartan]

MALE AGAIN

[brisk adder]

BP is snoop dog

[mystic tartan]

he mid af

[brisk adder]

and he's rune

fuck offffffffffff

fuck off rune players

[gritty anvil]

isnt galmiouex kinda busted ?

[mystic tartan]

she gonna save dragon

frfr

[cursive crypt]

No haven and no forest reveals

[gritty anvil]

what portal got ?

[cursive crypt]

Btw is this set gonna be half or full set?

[brisk adder]

[mystic tartan]

nerfs incoming

[brisk adder]

something is gonna be nerfed

[mystic tartan]

ye

might be norman

ngl

[cursive crypt]

It has to be Norman

[brisk adder]

nerf rune

nerf abyss