Shadowverse

[cursive crypt]

Pretty much yeah

[fading echo]

And then you catch up with anne kuon etc

[cursive crypt]

They can run 0 spells and get carried by Anne grea and onions to spellboost their hand

[fading echo]

But they still run spells anyway because they're hella cheap

[umbral seal]

Unironically, the next set will determine how long I play this game

I already think the devs are closet Rune mains

[fading echo]

When you look at the other crafts that have two mechanics there's no way you can pull some shit like that on portal

You get orchis and maybe some 2 drops that's it

Or on puppet for puppets all the af stuff is useless

[umbral seal]

At best, artifact puts in 2 Orchis and 2-3 puppeteers.

Puppets can't include any artifacts.

[cursive crypt]

Portal has everything too the only downside is their cards cost pp

And rune doesn't

[fading echo]

But you can't make good hybrid portal decks

Rune hybrid is pretty much the best

[cursive crypt]

Because portal loses a lot when they try to go hybrid at least for now

[umbral seal]

Well, "hybrid portal" has always been there but I've always questioned how many cards from a different archetype you need to truly be "hybrid"

Because it's literally just 5-6 cards

[fading echo]

They need to change the cards to balance all the free hybrid shit boost can do

[umbral seal]

Like my artifact deck right now just has 2 puppeteers and 2 Orchis. Can I really call that hybrid?

Personally, I would say no.

[cursive crypt]

artifact lacks tempo so puppeteer kinda helps the early game

[umbral seal]

I know. Puppeteer is a great card.

But my point is that most "hybrid portals" just include those 2 cards and I don't think that meets the threshold for being called a hybrid deck

[cursive crypt]

Yea wouldn't really consider that a hybrid deck

Portal has great cards but just lacks the consistency

Maybe in the future they will have a card that tutors their win con

[umbral seal]

Flight of Icarus did a lot to help artifact's consistency but I would not like it if they got their own version of Amelia

[fading echo]

Yeah real hybrid would be normal sagelight witches 4pp auto evolve 1pp draw card etc

[umbral seal]

Definitely don't want to see some baphomet + spawn of abyss bullshit again

I would really dislike that.

[fading echo]

For portal that's just throwing cards in there because portal has no early game

Bunch of cards that don't do anything just give you parts

[umbral seal]

https://shadowverse-portal.com/card/104621020?lang=en

https://shadowverse-portal.com/card/105641020?lang=en

Turn 1: Goblin. Turn 2: Tove. Turn 3: Goblin Leader. Turn 4: Alice. Turn 5: Baphomet. Turn 6: Spawn

ggwp

[warped granite]

man I'm going insane from all these highrolls, 2 games, 2 amalias, 2 turns in a row

[warped granite]

and then followed with a win on turn 5 because the swordcraft bricked man this game is a rollercoaster

[fading echo]

I have so many dupes but i don't wanna liquefy since they said there would be compensation for nerfs but where the hell are the nerfs

[red plover]

thought I was done for when he played 3 brambles

[gritty anvil]

rune mirrors be like

[umbral seal]

Only 50k to go

[gritty anvil]

we need about same

[fading echo]

what's that for do you get stuff?

i think the guild i'm in is giga dead because i'm the rank 1 grp and i can't even play all the time

[primal isle]

yea I think you actually get 3.5k vials if the guild is S or higher

which is also why I abandoned my dead guild

[fading echo]

damn this guild is c rank they suck

only 7 people still playing everyone else quit

[umbral seal]

You can join my guild if you'd like.

[wild gale]

I might push to masters with abyss

[fading echo]

what's the guild name?

[wild gale]

Malelovent

Kuncussion's evil aura

[umbral seal]

Yeah, I can make room in a sec

@fading echo Guild ID: 299410508444

[fading echo]

sent my application

i'm the blank

[umbral seal]

Don't see a pending application, you have to wait a bit

There's a cooldown for leaving guilds

[fading echo]

maybe i didn't send it i tried sending again

[fading echo]

[warped granite]

ralmia deserves more art

[brisk adder]

portal needs to be nerfed asap

[true abyss]

*sword

[unkempt lava]

Is dark side worth putting into swordcraft?

[cursive crypt]

no

what do you want dark side for

albert already kills from 12

[untold karma]

https://x.com/svevolve_en/status/1953670382373769444

Shadowverse: Evolve (@svevolve_en)

Let’s welcome back our favorite racers from Umamusume: Pretty Derby who will be returning, featuring a brand-new Super Special card rarity.

#Shadowverse #ShadowverseEvolve #Umamusume

X · Aug 8, 2025, 4:11 AM

[umbral seal]

...

[warped granite]

thats the IRL card

[brisk adder]

cy owns that horse shit right?

[umbral seal]

Correct.

[brisk adder]

maaaaaaaaaan

where's our free shit

they're so cheap

[umbral seal]

He probably saw the reddit post where a guy did 16 with albert by having the coin.

It's just not worth it

Sword right now has so many good cards that some lists have cut hound of war. There's no room for meme shit.

[warped granite]

yeah i wouldnt avoid dark side in take two or something but not gonna put it in constructed decks

[umbral seal]

I don't play Uma but I've heard it's far less f2p friendly than SVWB. Careful what you wish for.

This isn't favoritism. It's the company understanding how much a player needs to stay invested without quitting.

[warped granite]

it is definitely far less f2p friendly than SVWB if you want to play at a similar level

although it does have an extensive "pve" that SVWB doesnt have

[umbral seal]

Everytime I spectate and play against randos in the lobby, I see the most insane misplays imaginable

Big reason why I always assume y'all do

[wild gale]

More kuncussion slander fr

[umbral seal]

I mean, I'm just being honest. I was watching knockout matches and then I was bullying low rank fellas with a bottom tier deck (puppets)

Always amusing when I can steal a super evo'd unit with Achim

[mystic tartan]

it is

timed banner

u cant even reach pity

[brisk adder]

at least in svwb has guaranteed pity.

[mystic tartan]

[fading echo]

I'm surprised the banners don't go away here

So you could just roll forever until pity

[wild gale]

I lost my 10 win streak with aggro abyss to control abyss

🤢

[fading echo]

Lost to rune satan again

He really deserved that victory

[fading echo]

The game dropped me down to emerald because i played a bunch of portal yesterday it feels so bad to beat emerald players on sword it's like I'm bullying kids

I'm back to topaz shitter though

Rune match so win streak is gone

Wish i had no soul so i could enjoy playing rune

[wild gale]

Play aggro abyss brother

[fading echo]

Look at this balance i sure outplayed that guy

[warped granite]

Someone here said portal needs to be nerfed

[fading echo]

I think I'm missing cards for aggro abyss

My account gets a lot of portal and rune cards so i crafted sword and forest

Unironically i have 5 orchis two of them are premium i didn't liquefy the non premium ones in case the devs are actually nuts and nerf portal

[warped granite]

U just need aragavy Olivia and odin

What type of portal deck do you play though. Portal is not the toppest tier but it's also not that weak

[fading echo]

Artifact

Another classic outplayed gamer

This one even closed the game

[warped granite]

Classic jp mobile card gamers

[fading echo]

I'm just gonna queue rune all day today

If i can't play the class i like because the game sends me 10k rune players back to back then nobody will have fun either

[fading echo]

New tier list seems about right https://gamewith.jp/shadowverse-wb

Gonna try the aggro abyss they have there i do have all the cards @wild gale

[blissful olive]

abyss A tier haven F tier

thats how u know its correct

[red plover]

but its in A tier

[gritty anvil]

sv kinda boring rn its do dailies and gtfo take two is disapoiting

it was mistake they didnt include u can pick any pack for it

[red plover]

I like take 2 more than the normal mode but haven is pretty much unplayable in it

[umbral seal]

Haven isn't unplayable in either mode. It's just not top tier.

[red plover]

most wins Ive ever gotten in it is 2 with haven

[umbral seal]

Well, in Take Two, two of their legendaries do not function properly unless you have a deck properly built around them (aether/rodeo). But they have very potent board clears

And in constructed, storm isn't better at aggro than the best aggro decks and ward loses to everything. Even their best match-up (roach) is not auto lose for Forest.

[red plover]

Im doing fine with ward haven in ranked but take 2 is just pain

still fun though

[umbral seal]

Ward Haven is basically nonexistent at my rank. It was popular for like the 1st three days of the expansion

[red plover]

I usually winstreak into diamond with it and then I face a bunch of abyss and rune and then Im back into sapphire

[umbral seal]

Ward can't beat Rune unless they brick. Storm can beat Rune but I wouldn't say it's a storm favored match up. Ward is also unfavored against every version of abyss except aggro and aggro is even because they have a lot of direct face dmg + haven has less healing compared to dragon & rune.

[gritty anvil]

ward can beat rune but its very unlikely they basically need perfect curve also rune must screw at mulligan phase

[brisk adder]

@cinder bay

[gritty anvil]

u basically must keep flames and wiliams

vs ward haven

[gritty anvil]

i dont think he cares for SV lol

havent played in while

[umbral seal]

He very clearly doesn't.

Not that I'm surprised but it's disappointing still.

[gritty anvil]

its good he quit because he would mald so hard in sv

[umbral seal]

He malds in any pvp game

[gritty anvil]

well but in this it would be extreme evetually he would break and lose his mind

[brisk adder]

because he's bad

[umbral seal]

Uh, no. If he didn't lose his mind in Boshy, this game wouldn't break him.

[gritty anvil]

atleast in league it kinda feels different if u keep losing but here its same cards everyday u losing to

[umbral seal]

Not even close.

There's far more tilting games to play than this.

[brisk adder]

playing league is torture

[gritty anvil]

what u gonna play in tournament ? @umbral seal

[gritty anvil]

i mean league isnt better really but i feel like for him its still tilting

[umbral seal]

Is there another upcoming tournament no one told me about?

[gritty anvil]

less

???

weekend tournament

ingame

[umbral seal]

Oh, that.

Eh, probably abyss.

[gritty anvil]

i think i try rune

[umbral seal]

Most lobby players are weaker than random ranked players but it's still difficult to beat an average rune draw or double zirconia

So I'll just play aggro

[gritty anvil]

oh u gonna play aggro abyss ?

what list

[wild gale]

He played boshy a long long time ago

[gritty anvil]

oh no reapear

[umbral seal]

This is all I play for ranked dailies and it's very consistent

[gritty anvil]

double charon interesting

if u ress beryl with charon thats kinda op

[umbral seal]

Reaper in aggro makes no sense. Most things can be cleared with aragavy, odin, olivia, vuella

[umbral seal]

I don't think it's an op combo but it's very good, especially in the mirror

[gritty anvil]

i always though charon could work in aggro abyss but nobody runs it

well u also get 1 drop with it

with last words

thats pretty good

[brisk adder]

@cinder bay come back quit playing league

[gritty anvil]

or even bat

can be actually good

for healing

[umbral seal]

Tbh, I got the idea because I ran into an aggro player who ran it

And I was like "you know, that's a pretty good idea"

[wild gale]

He's sleeping rn

[gritty anvil]

when charon first time realeesed i actually though its gonna be staple in a ggro

but nobody play it

i guess its 0 face dmg

5 drop

[umbral seal]

This is just a case of most players either being wrong or just netdecking and not experimenting. Same case for why people don't run Achim even though he's good.

[umbral seal]

I mean, sure, but not every card in aggro abyss is face damage. You still need some cards that establish or fight for board, which is why some people run 1-2 apollo

[gritty anvil]

actually super evoing charon and u ress that bat girl or vuella that can be pretty good

[umbral seal]

This is a last resort play. You generally don't want to use super evo on charon.

[gritty anvil]

ye i know

even in control

u really dont want to evo her

[umbral seal]

Although in midrange/control, evo'ing her and getting back zombies is good

[gritty anvil]

https://x.com/kitty_koku2020/status/1953411571931328967/photo/2 i might try this list in tournament

鬼茶 (@kitty_koku2020)

ダイヤモンドマスター帯ナイトメアで18連勝。
リソース尽きた後のカローン→コープスソルジャーが最強すぎる。

X · Aug 7, 2025, 11:03 AM

[umbral seal]

Since they're hard to remove

[gritty anvil]

but this list

gonna lose to aggro

[umbral seal]

8 two drops is insanely greedy lol.

[gritty anvil]

its too greedy to beat aggro

[umbral seal]

Like I consider 10 (quarter of your deck) to be the bare minimum to not brick in most games.

[gritty anvil]

this deck lose to beryl

basically

also vs sword u prolly gonna lose too

no clue how this got 18 winstreak

[umbral seal]

I also don't agree with that list running only two Cerbs

This list doesn't beat Rune either

Wait, nvm

[gritty anvil]

?

[umbral seal]

I'm blind

[gritty anvil]

there 3

[umbral seal]

There's 1 animated. Didn't see the other one

[gritty anvil]

i mean if u survive early game this deck is very strong vs sword

i feel like

[umbral seal]

Eh. I've played a similar list against Sword. Sword's ability to out-lategame anyone after evos was already strong before Gildaria

And it's even better now.

[brisk adder]

bro i want a fucking albert avatar

[gritty anvil]

just keep pulling

on old packs

[umbral seal]

With the way the meta is right now, control abyss is kind of a meme. You need the midrange version that runs RoS & mummies

Simply because Rune exists

[gritty anvil]

ye

this deck prollly auto lose vs rune

there is not enough reach

no mummy no serpent no exella

also u lose to forest

[umbral seal]

Yeah, need to rush down forest players before they get to 8 pp

[umbral seal]

Gonna do some testing with this midrange list

[brisk adder]

wtf is this group shit

[umbral seal]

MMR (matchmaker rating)

In other words, how good you are compared to people in that rank

[brisk adder]

thats their mmr?

im just bashing shit with sword

[true abyss]

Classic

[umbral seal]

You'll run into better players and more meta decks the further you climb.

[warped granite]

well that and sword is the meta deck

om

[brisk adder]

im sick playing haven

so shit

[umbral seal]

That too, but I don't think Nytro's deck is optimal and you'll run into sub-optimal decks more often at lower ranks

That's almost never the case once you hit AA ranks

[brisk adder]

yeah my shit is sub=optimal

but i can make it optimal

bashhhhh

[brisk adder]

guys

he playin

offline not live

[warped granite]

damn

i thought he flushed this

[umbral seal]

I wonder if the guild he's in is still alive

Someone ask.

[mystic tartan]

wtf

[umbral seal]

Because if his guild is dead, this would be an opportune time to recruit him

[brisk adder]

absorb him

https://tenor.com/view/xdd-xddshaking-gif-970977931528020923

[gritty anvil]

lmao grapplr went 0-2 three times in row

[gritty anvil]

thats steam ?

he pulled for feetline for sure

[brisk adder]

yeah

[gritty anvil]

or for titania

[brisk adder]

he will pull that 100%

[gritty anvil]

it sucks he doesnt stream it

[brisk adder]

he's streaming league

[gritty anvil]

but not rn

[wild gale]

[umbral seal]

Really don't think he pulled for Filene if he doesn't have a single ranked win on dragon. Or maybe that's what he's waiting for.

[blissful olive]

this is where my run dies

fuck forest

[mystic tartan]

wajaja

[blissful olive]

here comes glade

the best card in the fucking game

[true abyss]

Its AnG

[blissful olive]

nah

glade is better

hurry the FUCK UP

last match is sword gg ima go 2-2 lol

somehow im winning

kept out of albert range amazin

alright 3-1 good run

[fading echo]

tried playing on the tournament and the game just gave me a bricked hand

one 2 cost card and everything else 6+ i mulligan the 3 cards that are 6 + and just get them again

skill issue

second match i tried going for the kill and the guy had the card he needed to kill me

literally never works every time i try to stop playing like a pussy and go face they just have enough to kill me from hand

0-2

i just don't know

if i keep just playing the board eventually we're turn 10 they're 20 hp and i'm dying

but my shit never survives for me to hit them face

every round either my board is empty or i have to use it to deal with the enemy board

[red plover]

maybe you need coaching

[fading echo]

look at this

this is me dealing with the enemy board but it doesn't matter i die anyway

now i'm dead to odin or tentacle

odin it is

this is making me think all the matches i win the enemy is just bricked because when they can play on curve there's just nothing i can do

my mistake for picking sword too i should have just picked rune if i wanted to be able to do everything with 1 deck

[fading echo]

the first match the game just telling me to go fuck my self

[warped granite]

https://old.reddit.com/r/Shadowverse/comments/1mlirx8/uh_im_sorry_for_playing_sword/ kekvv

[fading echo]

the second match i could have tetacle'd to heal but i thought "maybe he doesn't have a storm card " and decided to play aggressive = death

i was also out of odin range anyway

[warped granite]

even if you tentacled you're still in a rough spot, the game's gone regardless

[fading echo]

3rd match i guess this is a missplay because i could have gambled for magus with Amelia but i could have just not gotten magus and died anyway

that match i just tried to survive the whole match and got fucked non stop

should have definitely played rune i can already feel the balance coursing through my veins

[mystic tartan]

lol

understandable crashout

i got 3 gildaria when both no evo and sevo

[fading echo]

just gave some guy the combo i call the "balance patch"

portal is op

[blissful olive]

hmm

[fading echo]

non chest event?

[blissful olive]

this is the team based shit

i thought it would last more than 2 days tbh but alright

[gritty anvil]

whats this ?

[red plover]

looks like some choose a team thing and then do different tasks to get points for the team

[blissful olive]

yes

[mystic tartan]

whats the reward

lul

bruh double zirconia

unlucky

sword getting 2nd is very strong

[blissful olive]

we dunno yet

card design and some random shit prob

[mystic tartan]

1-1 rn

fuck i got yuriused

i heal gaming a portal

he almost got me , i literally 1 hp

[gritty anvil]

btw i think puppet portal must always hard mulligan for orchis no matter what

because there is high chance u draw into early game anyways

even if u have already 2 i think u literally keep them in opening hand

could be wrong but i feel like shes is so fucking important for puppets to have even chance

[wild gale]

Damn they hard mulligan into 3 orchis

[gritty anvil]

ok keeping 2 is little bit crazy

but 1 for sure

i might try tomorrow some puppets portal

in tournament

u know what i want format to be in game playing only 1 copy of each card in deck allowed

[warped granite]

oh i matched vs freddybabes in the weekend tourney

[gritty anvil]

lol

what deck u played ?

i watching stream rn

i saw his tournament

[warped granite]

i was rune

[gritty anvil]

ER ?

lool

i was literally watching that game

[warped granite]

i cant believe he didnt have lethal though

i already wrote off the game

cos it's forest vs rune

[gritty anvil]

wahts your name on twitch ?

rtjung ?

oh u didnt type

well ER have actually higher winrate

vs forest

than classic spellboost

[warped granite]

no, im skoomah69420

i didnt watch, i was just checking twitch cos i was sure i heard the name before

[gritty anvil]

ER is actually pretty good vs forest beacuse u putting too much pressure on board

wait

how many wins u got

[warped granite]

3-1

[gritty anvil]

3 ?

oh

what deck was first ?

[warped granite]

abyss

i lost vs the winner

[gritty anvil]

we were watching on screen on freedy stream rune vs abyss but he went into game and we never know how it ended

looks like abyss won that game

it was spellboost ER hybrid vs abyss

i though rune gonna win that game

btw i want to try ER spellboost with storm blasts demonic calls kuons and AG rest just ER

[warped granite]

might be better than full ER

[gritty anvil]

no insight no draw 2 cards

im gonna play tourney tomorrow

i kinda want to try puppets

but its so coin flippy

if u dont draw orchises its gg

[warped granite]

thats puppets, live and die by orchis

i brought puppet last week actually, 3-1

[gritty anvil]

ye i feel like if u run enough draws and cycle u have big chance

getting her before its too late

like ruby eudie sylvia olivia

i hope puppets gets some good 4 drops next set

thats what they missing still

good 4 drop

atm they have nothing

[warped granite]

Yeah their best 4 drop is the neutral swordsman which says a lot lmao

[gritty anvil]

i think this list seems pretty good

if i had third zwei i prolly play her

classic im gonna lose because no orchis

oh shit i won

[warped granite]

[gritty anvil]

i destroyed his staff

with odin

that fuck him over

[warped granite]

Yeah list seems good I actually added bell ringer, idk where I fit those lmao

Maybe the olivia

Olivia useful for you?

[gritty anvil]

i dont like bellringer

[gritty anvil]

pog

[fading echo]

you can still die remember the balance patch combo

[fading echo]

wrong one it was this

[red plover]

game was kind enough to give me a forest match for my rank up to A0

[gritty anvil]

honestly im doing really well with that puppet list

[gritty anvil]

nah i won that game

beatiful lethal

i had lethal even without shield and it was even more dmg lol

14 dmg

[fading echo]

didn't know dragoncraft had a card that just deals 3 damage to everything for free

can't hide behind wards with sword versus dragon

[umbral seal]

6pp isn't free. Draconic Strike is good, but no version of dragon is higher than A tier right now.

Galmieux would give y'all an aneurysm, probably.

https://shadowverse-portal.com/card/110441010?lang=en

Now that I think about it, I'd accept Galmieux as a replacement leader instead of Filene

At least until Forte is available

[gritty anvil]

dailies done finally free

[gritty anvil]

for free lmao

what u smoking

i kinda feel bad for ppl who blowing up all their rupies on take two rn

well if they are not spenders

its really not great idea to do

[red plover]

I like having fun

and going 0-2 but its still fun

[umbral seal]

I see people say "for free" far too often in video games in general, and I'm just like, y'all really do not understand wtf "free" means.

Closest thing to "free" is the onion coming out every turn, and that's after paying 5pp and an evolve.

[red plover]

is dimension climb not more free in that case

not saying its free obviously

[umbral seal]

D-climb is busted but that's not free either. In fact, if you don't draw it by the time you get to 5 pp (a&g or onion girl), it's very unlikely to be 0 pp on turn 10

My rune lists tend to run archivist just to try to fish for it.

[fading echo]

bruuuuh the timer i lost lethal on forest because of the timer

[red plover]

classic forest

[fading echo]

it was literally the final roach hit

do i have to disable the card animations to play this shit or does the timer pause during animations?

[umbral seal]

Experienced forest players I've played against don't even hesitate when they have lethal. They just start playing bounties and I'm like "yeah, he's got it"

[umbral seal]

Timer only pauses during evo but you can disable animations if you want things to play out faster

[fading echo]

i never even played shadowverse 1 i'm not experienced

[umbral seal]

Roach forest was even harder in SV1 for a lot of reasons, even though roach was cheaper (2pp)

They had less tools to survive the early & mid game

[gritty anvil]

can this control haven work ?

[umbral seal]

Relying on lapis in this meta is real funny. This list should also run 3x mainyu to even have a chance against Rune.

[gritty anvil]

there is still coc

in case odin

[red plover]

I mean, lapis wins me most of my games as ward haven

[umbral seal]

CoC is too slow in any deck that's not Rune. That is super unreliable.

It's not even reliable in ramp.

[gritty anvil]

i know

[red plover]

people are too eager to banish my willbert and then cant banish lapis

[gritty anvil]

but just have something to win the game

lol

[umbral seal]

Like in what world can this deck safely drop CoC and then still have enough time to play the apocalypse cards? lol

It's a pipe dream

[gritty anvil]

if they run out of juice i dont know

because if they run out of stuff and i have nothing to finish game

im fucked

[umbral seal]

Sure, but that list doesn't even run Wilbert

Probably should.

[red plover]

yea, just saying lapis is still very worth it

even with the threat of it getting banished

[gritty anvil]

maybe i cut coc and just run triple lapis

[umbral seal]

Lapis can work but if it gets odin'd, you just lose on the spot

Because the tempo disadvantage is too great at that point

[red plover]

if they have 2 odins then yea, they deserve that win I guess

[gritty anvil]

this deck auto lose to rune tho

and roach

[umbral seal]

Even SB Rune is running Odin right now

Just too risky

And that was the one deck I used to say shouldn't run Odin but lo and behold

[gritty anvil]

ye fuck coc

i just play 3 lapis

[red plover]

yea lapis is better than coc or at least way more playable in haven

wins you the mirror easily if they dont run lapis for some reason

[umbral seal]

IMO, the best version of Haven right now is Storm

Storm > Ward > Control

Hybrid storm/ward is decent as well

[red plover]

Ive been having way more success with ward than storm

with storm it just always felt like I was getting outpaced every time and then couldnt recover or hit for game in time

ward at least gives me a chance against aggro if I make it to 5pp with enough hp

[umbral seal]

I'm curious as to what your storm deck looks like

[fading echo]

wooooo lethal

[red plover]

not good, because nobody is running it for me to copy it

[fading echo]

that one was nice

against a whale too

[umbral seal]

I have a storm list but I can modify it to include Wilbert

I think Wilbert needs to be in any deck that has Lapis

[red plover]

Ive tried storm with willbert as well but it felt not good enough

[umbral seal]

Just for banish bait

[red plover]

yea basically

they cant resist not banishing him

my storm list didnt have lapis though

[umbral seal]

Not sure there's room for Lapis in storm since the bird is better

[red plover]

yea pretty much

lapis only makes sense in the slower decks

then you actually get the value from her

damn animated cards make it so the deck doesnt fit in the picture

[gritty anvil]

how good is that 2 mana amulet restore 4 ?

kinda garbage right

i dont get why engange cost 1

[red plover]

this was my storm list +3 jeanne, but I was trying so much so its probably a bit jank

[umbral seal]

Some people run that just to have a persistent amulet for Collette and Agnes

I think it's bad, though

[gritty anvil]

ye i think literally that 3 mana one is better

[umbral seal]

The 1pp storm amulet is bad. Abe & I came to that conclusion last season

[gritty anvil]

deal 4

[red plover]

yea it is, but it helps agnes at least a little bit was my thinking

[gritty anvil]

i guess it fits into curve

on collette

[red plover]

and if you ever survive till jeanne it at least had some value

[gritty anvil]

but thats about it

[umbral seal]

I'd also only run Grimnir if you're ward Haven or if you're going for the ronavero cheese

[red plover]

I think my main reason for using him was that I wanted to use ward haven instead but couldnt because it was too expensive for me

[red plover]

dose feels so much better than the healing one

actually deleting something on the board and healing 1

[gritty anvil]

i think agnes might be worth playing even in control haven

if u have enough persistent

amulets

[umbral seal]

Like this is what I currently have for storm, although I haven't tested it much.

[gritty anvil]

oh fuck i forget rodeo

thats actually really good card for control

hes actually perfect for my deck

[umbral seal]

For me, Rodeo is just additional card draw

[red plover]

yea, Ive seen plenty of lists similar to that

rodeo always just felt like getting trash out of your deck and then dying because you have no ward

[gritty anvil]

well my deck have 0 super evo value

but i have only 1 rodeo

not gonna craft more

[red plover]

dont need more than 1 tbh

[gritty anvil]

i would run 2 if i had

[red plover]

also the discard is annoying

why does he have that

I might revist storm haven in the next set since ward haven just feels so much more fun to play for me right now

[mystic tartan]

Puppet portal is unplayable

If u don't draw Orchis

I literally stalled my fucking game until i got her in at turn 15

[umbral seal]

Yeah, I don't think Rodeo should discard either. The card wouldn't even be OP without the discard.

[umbral seal]

Wouldn't shock me if Cygames gave Portal their own version of Baphomet

[mystic tartan]

[umbral seal]

https://shadowverse-portal.com/card/104621020?lang=en

[red plover]

yea for a 7 cost thats just sad that he has to discard

[mystic tartan]

Damn wtf lmao

[umbral seal]

That card actually got nerfed because Neutral Blood was dominating the ladder at the time.

[red plover]

is nerfing even a thing in this game

or only very rarely

or rather was it even common in the last one

[umbral seal]

Cygames has balanced SV1 plenty of times but it wasn't less than 2 months after the release of it.

This game has barely been out.

[red plover]

[umbral seal]

Even though I think they should nerf Rune, they probably won't because its play rate & win rate on ladder isn't dominant enough despite being meta-warping.

https://shadowverse.com/news/important/news-0139

If anything has anywhere close to a 38% play rate with a 56% win rate on ladder, it would actually be Sword, not Rune.

[red plover]

would be cool if they actually posted some stats

[umbral seal]

If they choose to have a balance patch soon, they probably will.

[red plover]

it would be nice if not nearly every rune match ended with getting blasted by coc though

[umbral seal]

Personally, I would just change Astaroth's Reckoning to set the opponent's life to 2, not 1. This still keeps the Kuon OTK but that OTK has more counterplay because you can ward against it with a ward that has more than 6 hp or multiple wards.

The only way to stop the CoC OTK is by having a ward with more than 13 hp or having no board at all

And if you have no board, you're just giving the Rune player more time to eventually kill you

Rune also needs to have significantly less healing. Dshift in SV1 never had healing in the time that I played it.

[red plover]

this is the only way for me to kill rune players, just need the casual 20 face damage

[umbral seal]

22 cards left in the deck and no onion crest up. I wonder what he played up to that point.

[brisk adder]

aaaaaaaaaaaand they wilbert

[red plover]

they played 2 kuons, 1 norman, 1 duo and 1 edelweiss at this point, seems like the normal rune stuff to me but not sure

[red plover]

but Im the haven player

[umbral seal]

Nytro seems confused.

I think he means dclimb + CoC but it's not Rune's turn and you have lethal on board

[red plover]

probably

also funny how it seems like they can always save up that super evolve for the coc d shift

[umbral seal]

Depends. There are decks like Sword and Aggro Abyss that can force them to spend evos to survive.

If your deck is too slow, it's pretty easy for them to conserve evos

[red plover]

Id like to go wide and pressure them but with all their card draw it always feels like they have the 6 drop to nuke me anyway

[umbral seal]

Gotta force them to have it without overextending. Of course, if they all their board wipes at the right time, there's not much you can do if you don't have enough storm/face damage in hand

[red plover]

at this point it feels just better to quit and go next to climb faster than try to play a match with like a 10% winrate

[red plover]

I remember losing like that once because I just didnt have space to do shit

[gritty anvil]

lmao

he concede

no odin

[red plover]

like I said, lapis getting banished doesnt actually happen that often

[gritty anvil]

i still lost

lol

[red plover]

well, youre playing control

[umbral seal]

15 cards in, no Odin, yeah it's possible. Sword tends to run 2 (maybe 3?)

[gritty anvil]

he had big gildarria turn and i couldnt sac my 5/7

[red plover]

not so many decks run 3 I think

[umbral seal]

Any aggro deck and puppet does. Mine does, at least.

[red plover]

well yea, mainly just the aggro ones

why doesnt this game allow you to see the opponents hand when watching replays, I want to learn

[fading echo]

dunno why i even bother playing anything but rune

[brisk adder]

gimme deck

[gritty anvil]

but playing both is kinda dumb

honestly

dont do it

[brisk adder]

gimme deck

[umbral seal]

Not sure why you want to play Haven unless you're that bored with Sword

[gritty anvil]

[fading echo]

i actually lost a game with rune no way

i got every card in the deck and satan was literally the last one

it was versus ward haven spamming 10+ hp wards though pretty sure any other deck would have lost anyway

even without getting satan

🏛️ 🦆 🚬

[gritty anvil]

btw what if that amulet that give rush is good with lapis

or is that cope

[fading echo]

outskilled

[gritty anvil]

because with it u can crash it into sometihing without evo it

[umbral seal]

What amulet are you talking about? Also, this requires an enemy follower with at least 6 atk on the board, that's not reliable

[gritty anvil]

no

its neutral

u dont need any enemy follower on board

honestly this would be actually really good in my control haven deck

im just playing shitty deck i dropped to ruby kek

[umbral seal]

When you said "crash into", I thought your intention was to suicide it so it gets storm value before Odin

That card is probably fine in your control deck but control haven is weak regardless.

[fading echo]

satan didn't hide at the end of the deck this time

[gritty anvil]

ruby is funny

that one lapis have rush

from amulet

[brisk adder]

gimme deck @gritty anvil

[gritty anvil]

no it sucks

[umbral seal]

Even if it sucks, I don't see the harm in sharing it

(still have no idea why he wants it, tbh)

[gritty anvil]

i keep changing it

no point

nah that deck is complete shit im almost topaz with it

cant win shit with it

this deck is actually pretty decent saw temoki playing it

1 skullfane is kinda spicy lol

[unkempt lava]

Damn this real?

[primal isle]

skullfane is a bretty crazy tech choice even at 1. Though I wonder if it does have better utility cause it's at least a body on board

[gritty anvil]

i mean if u set him up he can get really good value

like when u draw these 1 mana amuelt birds later it take so long until they pop out so if u play them before u play skullfane can be really good value

[umbral seal]

Need skullfane if you're going to run winged statues

[gritty anvil]

ye i think 1 is fine

[umbral seal]

The only problem with skullfane is the anti synergy with darkhaven

Considering there's no Jeannes in the deck, I'd personally run 2 fanes in that list just for draw consistency

[unkempt lava]

Use this deck for haven

It's final version

Just need to use every single evolution early game for sword and abyss matchup

If you don't use u die

[mystic tartan]

[unkempt lava]

Can replace unholy for feather fall. I have vessel for runecraft barrier and swordcraft barrier combo

[gritty anvil]

brick haven

[cursive crypt]

3 Odin is too much for ward haven in my experience

[gritty anvil]

ye i dont know why ward haven even needs that

[cursive crypt]

It's still a good finisher but u don't really want that many

Maybe one or two

Feels like that deck just auto lose to rune

[gritty anvil]

well not auto but most likely yes

rune needs to fuck up at mulligan

and haven needs to draw well

[brisk adder]

1 grimnir

so useless

[umbral seal]

rune needs to fuck up

If part of your strategy is hoping your opponent is incompetent, that's how you know the deck is mid.

[cursive crypt]

Honestly after playing for a bit I don't mind lapis in ward haven cause aether/Wilbert will buy you time to play her

And lapis is win con vs rune

[unkempt lava]

Griffin requires too much setup

[cursive crypt]

Play lapis

[gritty anvil]

i played vs dragon

[unkempt lava]

Some matchups you don't have a turn to play griffin

[gritty anvil]

he banish my darkhaven and vessel

and he had third

for lapis

lmao

[unkempt lava]

That's why you run tirple odin

[cursive crypt]

I mean that means ur Wilbert don't get odined

And Wilbert is annoying as fuck with Jeanne

[gritty anvil]

lmao thats not how it work

its all rng anways how u draw u and how they draw their odins

i saw that too that game

my lapis got banished

he wasted odins on something else

[cursive crypt]

Ramp dragon is already not a favored matchup but if they drew all 3 and kill you with just odins it is what it is

[gritty anvil]

yes

ramp dragon is horrible match up

[cursive crypt]

I just hate taking 10+ damage just from odins no matter what deck I play

Play vs sword be at 20 HP suddenly Odin odin Albert lol

[gritty anvil]

there are so many decks that runs odin its so cringe

only really rune feels kinda safe vs odins

because they can recorver from these face damages

they play odin super evo it u play norman and heal one more

honestly i feel like 20 hp is too little for this game

should be like 25

but that would be huge nerf

for some decks

i feel like

like aggro would be kinda fucked

[cursive crypt]

20 HP is fine if they don't just make cards that do face damage for free for no reason

[gritty anvil]

facing 25 hp

[umbral seal]

I agree that they should buff leader HP but that would have to come with many additional changes.

So they're probably not going to do it.

[unkempt lava]

Shit i board clogged vs forestcraft. I had lethal if i didn't clog

[nocturne karma]

@unkempt lava has leveled up! (11 ➜ 12)

[unkempt lava]

[gritty anvil]

ye nah that would be way too drastic change they not gonna do it

[umbral seal]

It's not. It was fine in the first game but that game did not have super evo. Also, they're going to continue designing cards that deal a lot of face dmg, you must be unfamiliar with cygames.

[cursive crypt]

I never complained about having only 20 HP before Odin was introduced but right now it's too easy to put someone in lethal range while also interacting with board state

Not every deck can afford to run heals because most heal cards aren't rune cards

They do one specific thing that is to heal

And that's garbage

[gritty anvil]

ye old SV had also only max 2-3 evos here u have 4 always and 2 of them are +1+1 more and deal face dmg on killing something well SV had tons of cards that regen evos or not waste them but not early realease game

[umbral seal]

https://shadowverse-portal.com/card/900242010?lang=en

Would like a card similar to this to return, personally

[gritty anvil]

u would play this card they odin it

and u lose the game

[cursive crypt]

Sword thrives in this meta cause they don't give a shit about Odin(among other things). They go wide every turn and Odin is useless

[gritty anvil]

ye sword is good at stoping odin

with wards

[umbral seal]

Well, no, because that card comes with Roland, who's a 5/5 ward. So do you odin the follower or the amulet?

Also, control swords back then ran at least 2 copies

[gritty anvil]

wait

roland summon this ?

[umbral seal]

https://shadowverse-portal.com/card/104241010?lang=en

[gritty anvil]

oh ye this card

i remember now

ye thats not terrible thats def playable with that body

ramp dragons would mald over this card lol

[umbral seal]

She's not coming next set, unfortunately

[gritty anvil]

for example puppets

would not give a shit

about durandal

well atleast in terms of face dmg

[umbral seal]

https://shadowverse-portal.com/card/123241020?lang=en

Sword is getting some version of this chick next set

[gritty anvil]

oh ye octrice was really good

[umbral seal]

The first version of Octrice was stealing only last words

This version is way more busted

[gritty anvil]

she was so cheap for that effect lmao

this card would be nightmare for abyss lol

[cursive crypt]

Is sword the only class that has the free evolution mechanic with rally

In og sv

[umbral seal]

Rally is a sword only mechanic until further notice

And I don't think any other class had rally in SV1

[cursive crypt]

Well I mean the free evolution specifically

[umbral seal]

Well, no, other classes in SV1 could evo for free

But not with rally

https://shadowverse-portal.com/card/122741020?lang=en

One popular example.

[cursive crypt]

Oh I forgot mukan existed

But gildaria is a super evo

[umbral seal]

The question is will we get more "free super evos"

I think the answer to that is yes but I don't like it

[gritty anvil]

ramp dragon also free evo

4 drop

at overflow

theres many cards that free evo

edelwise

[umbral seal]

Out of all those, only dragon's 4 drop is truly "free", since edel costs 2 sigils and mukan costs 8 shadows (kind of a lot)

[cursive crypt]

liu feng is so shit if you play him before overflow

[gritty anvil]

lol this card is busted af

[cursive crypt]

I hate that unit

[gritty anvil]

evolve everyone for 0 cost spell ?

[umbral seal]

To be fair, you only get that spell with her enhance effect at 8 pp

But yeah, it was strong

[gritty anvil]

oh ye true its only 8 but still

[cursive crypt]

It's turn 8 so most decks probably have an answer

[umbral seal]

A lot of decks would just end the game by that point.

[brisk adder]

1-4 again

https://tenor.com/view/dr-disrespect-desk-slap-slam-mad-gif-18781961

[umbral seal]

Hm, should've stuck with my plan of playing aggro abyss. Only went 3-1 with Rune.

Probably saw the worst Forest player ever. Man refused to hold onto his evos and kept trying to chip me down with Roach.

All he had to do was wait and he could OTK.

[wild gale]

Ah goddamn it

[wild gale]

Evos are free super evos are too good to waste

Imma play some aggro abyss for you kunc

[gritty anvil]

went 2-2 in tourney deadge

i omega brick vs dragon

look at that hand

and sword just swarmed board and i had no sage light

[unkempt lava]

Runecraft players deserve bricks

Best deck alongside sword for the 5 next expansions

[fading echo]

hand trap that instantly kills the enemy if they play 3 spells on the same turn

[unkempt lava]

Runecraft is easily the less fun matchup

Stall stall stall

Flood board with dimension climb or otk

Also fuck runecraft for stalling in tournaments

[red plover]

feels so good when you beat their bs though

[gritty anvil]

i never brick like this literally

this was first time

and i brick even vs good match up

[unkempt lava]

Nah fuck runecraft

Haven is just shitter runecraft

[red plover]

ntr'ed

[unkempt lava]

Doesn't heal as well, doesn't flood as well, doesn't cheat out cards as well, doesn't win the agro matchup as well

[gritty anvil]

haven got fuck over by odin hard

[red plover]

haven would easily be S tier without odin

at least ward would be

[gritty anvil]

i dont know aboutu that

if S tier

but would be better for sure

[unkempt lava]

Like why does runecraft shit have more immune to targeting than haven

[gritty anvil]

what ?

thats barrier

not immune targeting

[unkempt lava]

The earthrune revive for 2 is just lapis shit but immune to targeting

[gritty anvil]

u mean that 8 drop ?

[unkempt lava]

Yes

[gritty anvil]

lol thats just one card

what u mean

[unkempt lava]

Really

[gritty anvil]

yes

[unkempt lava]

The amulet IS ALSO IMMUNE

The earthrune

[gritty anvil]

lmao

because it needs to be

[red plover]

yea but thats kinda their mechanic

[gritty anvil]

ye

[red plover]

if it wasnt you couldnt play it with odin around

[gritty anvil]

imagine someone literally banish your 10 stacked sigil

[unkempt lava]

Yes

Let it happen

That's a change i want

[gritty anvil]

honestly even if odin target that odin would use it on something else

in 99% cases

anyways

[unkempt lava]

The sigil thing should be targetable by odin

I don't understand

[gritty anvil]

lol

it doesnt even matter much

would not change much

[unkempt lava]

Runecraft is devs favorite

That's all i can say

[gritty anvil]

u guys complain about rune but i think sword is even worse

like better

[unkempt lava]

Runecraft can win any matchup if you go late

Draw power of runecraft is op

[gritty anvil]

sword is by far most consistent least bricky deck

[unkempt lava]

Dimension climb + cocytus

What's counterplay

[gritty anvil]

yes but thats turn 10

u can die before u can even do that

stop saying like rune is unbeatable if its not true

[unkempt lava]

What's the earthrune 6 drop that can draw, heal or summon barrier ward

No way you dying

[gritty anvil]

rune is among top tier yes but is it unbeatable heck no

[unkempt lava]

Yeah and it's going to be top tier for a while

Next 3 expansions easy

[gritty anvil]

well rune was always kinda favorite of cygames

it was hystorically always good

[red plover]

there isnt a way to see your highest win streak right

[gritty anvil]

i dont think so

unless u screenshot it

[red plover]

I see, just gotta remember I guess

[gritty anvil]

my friend had 20 winstreak with rune

[wild gale]

Just got cucked by a swordcraft with vayle spam and zirconia

You just can't compete with busted ass swordcraft cards

Fucking 3-1

I just saw this forest player eat pain with roach in bottom 10 of deck

[mystic tartan]

yeah

i saw it too

deserved

fck roach

[true abyss]

I think I can make this, do I? I just need to craft 2x roach

I don't have 2nd copy of titania tho

[gritty anvil]

roach not great in ranked tbh

but do as u want

i only missing second lymaga for this list

[red plover]

guess this is the highest win streak I have with ward haven then

[blissful olive]

any1 wanna do the weekly in 2 mina ?

[fading echo]

sure

[warped granite]

damn ward haven player won svo

[blissful olive]

whats ur ID

dont have u i think

@fading echo u good?

[fading echo]

are you in the guild?

[blissful olive]

no

need ur id

[fading echo]

sure 455936551889

[blissful olive]

sent

1 or 5?

[fading echo]

we can do them all

[blissful olive]

kk i'll aggro just pass

[fading echo]

k

[blissful olive]

ty

[fading echo]

np

had to go turn off the oven at the end there

[unkempt lava]

Any haven doubters

[red plover]

what is that and where can I see it

[umbral seal]

You're not a good pilot if you think this a brick. Having 3 Norman's in hand is a bit clunky but you can navigate that. Also, you ended your turn with 9 cards in hand. This is almost always avoidable.

[true abyss]

Weekly anyone?

[umbral seal]

No, it wouldn't because it was nowhere close to S tier last patch.

The devs could delete Odin today and every version of Haven would not go up a tier.

I would bet money on that.

[true abyss]

@umbral seal can we kick 1 week + off members for active ones

[red plover]

I think it still would, at least for ward haven but Im still just a nab

[umbral seal]

I kick when we need to make room for someone who wants to join. Is there someone I missed?

[true abyss]

Nah, i thought active players may apply if there is space, ie from guild search in game

[umbral seal]

Most of the times I've beat Ward Haven (which is almost always), I did not Odin a Wilbert or Lapis. You're also ignoring the fact that removing Odin would hurt them as well.

[umbral seal]

Not interested in randos unless it's master players applying. Anyone below that gives a negligible amount of grp.

[red plover]

not having to deal with odin seems better to me than not having odin

[blissful olive]

[red plover]

feels like I mostly odin when the opponent odins me as well

[umbral seal]

Your argument implies that Haven does well if their opponent never plays Odin and this isn't true

They still lose those games

[blissful olive]

haven still sucks ass but a tleast they can play wilbert lol

[umbral seal]

Getting a 6 or 8 drop that has a powerful last words, Odin'd, means they're definitely losing but they get out tempo'd/out late gamed by so many decks regardless

[blissful olive]

next set like they have to add a win con for haven or its just cooked

[gritty anvil]

skull fane lmao

[red plover]

I dunno, if people are able to stay in in diamond in masters then its a good deck to me

[blissful olive]

its a good bad deck

on paper it slaps in practice holy shit lol

[red plover]

well Im still only in A0 but Ive not been having too many issues with it

[umbral seal]

I'm not of the opinion that storm or ward are unplayable, there are worse decks. But there are also objectively better decks.

[red plover]

well Im just saying that people make it seem way worse than it actually is

[blissful olive]

it kinda is

there win con is praying to god they cant clear ur board

[red plover]

not really been my experience but maybe the lower ranks are just that much easier

[nocturne karma]

@red plover has leveled up! (15 ➜ 16)

[umbral seal]

I've said this since day 3 of the release and other people have slowly noticed.

It's why being diamond at any rank below master is worthless.

Although, being diamond master now isn't that rare either. I do find it impressive when people have over half their pts gain be in just diamond, however.

[blissful olive]

people really do be posting shit all the time like

hey guys hit diamond with abyss

looks at see its b rank like ok lol

[umbral seal]

I made a post on reddit, after the game was out for a week.

Probably will make another one when they release GM rank and I speedrun that too

Assuming I don't hate set 3

[blissful olive]

i have big hopes for set 3 but if its just a mini set

i dont expect it 2 change the game much

GM i think is the only rank that matters too rn master and all that is meaningless

GM is where u actually can lose rp iirc and theres rewards

[umbral seal]

Set 3 is definitely not going to be a mini set

That's already confirmed.

[blissful olive]

why i started saving hella early i kinda got lucky on my packs tho ig

but i have 50 packs atm ready

[umbral seal]

Well, no because in SV1, you could lose RP at any rank. It would be nice if GM brought that back but I'm not hopeful.

[blissful olive]

thats why i said masters and etc dont mean much cause everyone gets it

[umbral seal]

And I've seen no news stating that GM will be that way when they release it

[blissful olive]

they did mention MP rewards based on how much u got

but when its coming idk

seasonal

back up to 40k vials i do wanna blow em on shit but if set 3 is 140 cards or w/e i might need to play safe

[gritty anvil]

ppl who blowing up all their rupies on take two gonna regret

if new set have 140 cards

well i guess they gonna have shit tons of vials

[red plover]

I went into this set with like no resources and still was able to make ward haven a few weeks in

[unkempt lava]

Runecraft cuck really let me do this

[umbral seal]

Very losable still.

[unkempt lava]

I have discard nothing summon 2/2

back to 8k vials

[brisk adder]

ANY WANNA

DO WEEKLYS?