#Shadowverse
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weekly not till tmr sis
oh u have to pay
ewww
Take Two has never been free but the entry was cheaper in SV1
damn so you would be -400 compared getting 2 packs. Then Two wins "breaks even"
Getting better at aggro 
cant we get take 2 entries in game
if they cost like 500 gold or something i might pass cause id rather save still for next set
i got 40 packs already so im doing ok
The entry for take two is 1k rupies, a ticket or 200 crystals
fuck that then
id rather save i dont wanna spend on new shit if i can avoid it
the way i do things now basically i spend 5 bucks a set for the battle pass and chill
might get weird maybe if next set is big
but 77 cards was hella manageable
I like how as soon as I started playing aggro, I run into SB runes who play Odin for counter lethal 
whenever i think about running aggro i run into haven
does sword aggro even exist anymore?
i feel like they only got mid range support this set
You have midrange lists that run quickblader. Those decks aren't aggro imo
yeah i wouldnt run QB in mid range personally
The kagemitsu aggro sword that one player popularized doesn't really exist on ladder, from what I've seen.
yeah thats what i saying
aggro didnt get any support this time
they prob will next set abyss too hopefully
abyss needs an aggro focused legendary to make that deck like hella good
preferably bat support
i lowkey kinda expect vampy to show up
- It already got bat support | 2. The deck is already very good. Multiple people climb to and stay in diamond master with it, myself included.
Of all the deck archetypes that exist right now, aggro abyss is one of the ones that needs the least amount of help.
draft?
Even I swapped to it. Tired of Rune shitters.
LMAO
yeah
only bat support we got was the spell tbh
gimmie vampy
then we can run nameless demon possibly
The only difference between nameless demon & Vania is that Vania deals damage when a bat comes out. I don't think they're re-printing that
im pre sure vampy is coming at some point be weird if they didnt
rather have her too than like a reprint of mord
just hope abyss get more interesting which it should
also thought about if i crafted rune but then i realized id be running mirrors the whole time basically
all i see is rune and sword even in low rank AA2
It was weird that cygames didn't print another ramp card in this mini-set, despite someone telling me we're "definitely getting ramp"
Never trust cygames to do the logical thing
lowkey seaman and neptune saved dragon this set
without them shit is dead right now

I've been playing aggro abyss and all the runes are hiding
im practicing sword
in 10 match or so
The new tech is putting Charon in aggro abyss
Getting back bats or lilith is pretty good
What you taking out though
I'll post my list after this game
Even in midrange, I only run 2 Charon despite owning 3
Yeah same I think three is overkill
Didn't go on any crazy streaks but it was consistent enough to get me back into diamond after fucking around with Rune & Dragon
i feel like rune can be ok vs aggro running hybrid they have pretty decent early game
as well asn the new 3 cost spell to board wipe early
yeah i won cus i just overwhelmed their board
once
edelweiss it up
edel is nuts
plus he got no aragavy i think
i was thinking of this
I've been seeing this more lately. The enhance effect is very good. Always thought it was good, just don't know what I'd even cut for it in sword
rn i run 2
Mediocre but I run one copy for situations where William would come too late
my sword list is kinda all over the place cause i only have 2 glid
my sword deck is pretty budget
???
Sword has the strongest draw card in the game, Amelia.
u also have the 3 drop enhance which is pre good
and prim giving u a 3/3 in ur hand
lowkey haven needs the most help they on life support
i have 2
ill go live in discord
check mine
its fine
which amalias 
what
Silver Captain - 3x | Luxsteel Paladin - 2x
cant afford a 3rd silver
That's fine but she is extremely important
true cus sword lack drawing
back to topaz playing haven yup
this is by far the worst deck in the game
amulet haven might be better than ward
Pure ward haven is not good. The best variant is probably a hybrid list with storm cards.
yeah my old list used the 4 cost bird
worked ok-ish
i might try amulet they have some neat stuff but it also sucks lol
haven is the deck that needs a win con the most lol
or rather a legendary that can seal the game or something
That used to be Lapis.
Realistically, most win cons for any deck are just storm units
You'll point to albert and say "12 damage on turn 9" but at his core, he's just a storm unit
Even if they re-printed Enstatued Seraph, Haven would not be good
And also, odin-able
i just need further support
like holy saber
that i saw
Still just a storm unit at its core 
https://www.reddit.com/r/Shadowverse/comments/1mgdg7d/the_rage_shadowverse_pro_league_season_1_just/
sword is OP MFs when sword has a negative win rate in pro play
AF Portal 1-0
Aggro Abyss 2-1
Roach Forest 4-3
Midrange Abyss 1-1
Spellboost Rune 2-2
Midrange Sword 4-5
Ward Haven 0-2
Roach Forest W vs L Midrange Sword
Roach Forest W vs L Midrange Sword
Midrange Sword W vs L Midrange Sword
Midrange Sword W vs L Midrange Sword
Midrange Sword W vs L Ward Haven
mostly mirrors and lost to roach forest which is expected
midrange sword so bad it losses to mid range sword
matter of fact its soo bad that at diamond master you barely fight anything else
Spellboost Rune W vs L Spellboost Rune
Midrange Abyss W vs L Spellboost Rune
Spellboost Rune W vs L Ward Haven
same as rune then
only lost to abyss
you just realized thats those are the strongest decks ?
no
forest is stronger
but only for good pilots
sword is low iq required
but also has a low ceiling because its a curve stone deck
SVO prelim tells a better story
most popular 2 decks, but also 2nd/3rd highest conversion rate
forest best deck
totally not broken at all
forest has always been broken it's just repulsive for a lot of players and hard to play
forest is a counter pick still
if you going on the ladder sword is your best chance at winning more
forest's losing matchup is one of the worst decks in the game
seeing forest being picked for counter here doesn’t prove that sword isn’t railing this game ladder
but tbh i agree sword peak might not be as high as rune or forest but it's (relatively) simpler to play
Because its easy
because every troglodyte can curve and the curve is incredible powerful it's so annoying
You just described most midrange game plans
everything sword throw down has a good value
true dirt is aggro deck in disguise
You just also have a higher ceiling with climb too
You also have access to almost every utility in the game
Even not counting king cock deck
Normange
forest is just the best against rune
and decent vs almost everything else
only unfavourable matchups now are aggro abyss and ward haven
the solution to current rune is a roach
ward haven is impossible, not really unfavourable
better just ff on turn 1 if you know its ward haven
roach and aggro abyss fuck rune
roach also kinda beats sword right, I just tried to play but I had good records vs sword and rune
(and losing to everyone else)
nah sword vs forest is 50/50 matchup really
guess i was on the good side of the 50 50 kek
its not one sided
if they spam ward every turn its hard to get anything done unless ur hand is also perfect
like they have no heals and their wards are kinda mid vs let's say ward haven
but ward haven is unbeatable anyways
getting roached feels so much better than fighting rune anyway so its whatever
sword vs roach is like
this is the entire matchup
whats good for roach is that i am seeing lists where this is getting cut to 2
sword going 2nd can be so much pressure man
well yeah
they have a 4 drop
that is only good going 2nd
theyre basically -3 cards going first
sword basically has no good 4 play if they go first which is kind of important for curvestone deck
best would probably be prim + nonja
yeah sword 2nd is super oppressive compared to when they go first
coin prim nonja valse zirconia

i literally just play dog on 3
if he lives 4 to face
omegalul
also can rush on any 1 atk minion
dog is even worse
Running 3 has always been excessive.
Not to mention, a simple wall of wards is not enough to stop roach from otk'ing you, even if you're ward haven
The most problematic thing for roach is Amelia + Magus
i already play yesterday
bruh i droppped form sapp to topaz screwing around with haven lol
but now that im here might well experiment more it cant get any worse
It's not impossible but it's not free.
Gotta earn those wins.
i need edelweiss early
or dead
and anne grea

i dropped to topaz a couple times when trying new decks it is what it is
rank in this game doesnt matter anyways so i dont care 2 much
usually the culprit is when Im trying forest

the lower the ranks the more ward havens too
so i got to switch
lowkey i wanna play forest but i dont wanna craft 2 titanias
forest aggro is fun but i only got 35k rn
Well whenever I drop I can play whatever and go back soon
I can finally use my orchis 
Except forest, I need a training camp for that
Max cerb can do on 8 with an empty board + amulet is 13 so I'm assuming they still had a board for a 14 hp drop.
most she can do is 7 guy either had 2 amulets or trash down
probably uncleared zombies, those guys are annoying
crashing out 
Artifact portal is not much better and it's harder to pilot correctly
If he wants to actually win, he shouldn't be playing portal at all
lowkey true
drop to ruby and you can win with puppets
sometimes its fun playing bad decks just to mess around tho
forsenTricklein
why i was playing haven
puppets just trades well into other boards cause u get free resources
but past like turn 4 its dog water
puppet is basically control board + chip damage into odin orchis orchis
that's how it is
hopefully you get noah for extra damage too
yeah after turn 4 ur only good card is like slyvia other than that u pray orchis is enough
i did well in the weekly tournament with it it's not like it's unplayable
but maybe not in master diamond
i also teched in the NTR/brainwash guy for a surprise 
greedy motherfuckers don't evolve their anne, mine now 
my greatest hit with that shit is kuon taunt
i'm still not sure if he's good, but i am not saving evo anyways so i'm putting him in lieu of zweis
it's more like there are no other 5 drops, if next pack has a good 5 drop he's probably getting replaced stat
but he's fun though
I came to this same conclusion after crafting 3 Zwei's
She sucks, and the reason is because she gives Victoria ward
Puppet portal is already very good at saving evos, and achim's effect is not only unique, but very worth it
Unfortunately, puppets as a whole is not great right now but he's staying in my deck for the forseeable future
I'ma just keep playing aggro abyss until cygames nerfs rune. It's keeping me in diamond masters anyway
i kinda lied i still have 1 zwei because i already crafted her too 
as long as there's rune aggrobyss will be relevant i think
Well, it's not just that. It beats many other decks too
Pretty consistently, unlike face dragon

I wouldn't be playing it if it was inconsistent
I got the storm too in this case btw
Yeah, because Aryll gave it to the bat
I guess it's confirmed he copies every status of the banished unit
He's at the very least fun and he's good sometimes, keeping him for now 
Honestly, the biggest thing puppets need is a way to convert puppets to damage, outside of Orchis. Liam is too slow to be relevant (and also does less damage even in the best case scenario)
Aggro Dragon is weird, I think a lot of top people are having more success with 'aggramp' dragon with ramp and garyu
sometimes ppl use orchis too early like if u have only 1 on hand u should wait for like turn 9 or 10 to combo it with ehnanced puppets
Puppet portal should never orchis on 8 unless they absolutely have to or they're setting up 2 turn lethal (double orchis/odin)
ye
But it's probably a matter of a good player can play any deck
I've barely seen this on ladder.
The most common variant of dragon whenever I see it is fennie
i havent seen aggro dragon in ages
in ranked
like pure aggro dragon
with no ramp
People don't play face dragon because aggro abyss is just better
ye
https://x.com/__nuke_/status/1948438034900550071 something like this
I faced these before
this deck seems like worse aggro dragon no ?
i mean i never played this kind of deck
Personally, I'd run draconic strike over Burnite but I do like the idea of this deck.
i dont think this deck can beat sword
There's no variation of dragon that's favored against sword but at least this list looks like it's less prone to bricking the early game
also there is only 2 card draws in this deck and u playing 6 cards that discard card
I think aggro Dragon damage is very concentrated on forte anyways so having ramp is ok, I can see the idea
It's an aggro deck. Most aggro decks are going to be light on card draw.
That's the point
At best, you could say it's midrange but the curve is low enough that I would say it's definitely leaning toward aggro
i can try this deck on ladder
btw dragon can make strong deck againts sword if u add a lot of aoe cards and good early game
I'm honestly not sure how good the deck is, it might be carried by a good player too
my version of cocktyus deck was doing really well vs sword
But I can see the vision
btw sometimes if u play cockytus at wrong time vs sword it can lose u game even on empty board
especially if u dont hold any aoe
happen to me before 
Yeah he'll amalia
because best removal u can draw is demon right so if they play something with 7 or more hp or they overflood board with wards and u have no other aoe
u fucked
Only rune can coc with impunity
it kinda sucks
that ramping playing againts super evo
it would be so nice to ramp into olivia and super evo before your oponent
or neptune
but maybe that would be too broken
or double ramping into garyu super evo would be powerplay
rune is propably safest to play in tournament right
i want to play ramp dragon but i dont think its good idea
Tried it for a game in ranked. Not super convinced because my rune opponent was playing like an absolute dumbass.
He was going aggro with kuons & his evos 
probably didn't have any card draws and had to go aggro 
Statistically impossible for Rune to have no card draw pre-dclimb. He had normans and chose not to draw cards
🙃
rune have everything card draw engine healing strong af finishers include dclimb have insane removals aswell AG on 5
u can even eliminate weak early game
if u run ER 2 drops
and flame of chaos
they have wards aswell strong aoe
literally no weakness
your weakness is drawing bad but thats hardly happen because u can draw so much
I cant be bothered to do it 
Fuck
I got odined

It's so easy for rune to out value my sword
I fucking lost because I evolved wrong unit
Fuck man
classic
FUCJJKKKKKKKK AGGRO SWORD DREW TOO GOOD
All Shinobi squirrels drawn so only luminous to kill me with rose
This shit so ass
Meanwhile 0 zirconia to pressure

Fuck this shit man
Trash ass weekend tourney as usual
oh ya

I NEED TO DO MY QUEST
nobody wants to play this game
Let's do a quest quick
see u on yugioh
Wait you don't have gildaria
I was thinking that you could put me in a bit of a dangerous situation if you have gildaria

Actually not really

I mean if i have gildaria i already use her lul
She's the most op follower in Sword rn
Nah it was difficult game for me
It's a fucking shame I went 1st against sword aggro
If I went 2nd I would have flushed that mfer with gildaria
How many wins
I got 2 Albert that i can't play against u cus u just Magus kek
I got 2 cuck wins
i mean in tournament
Ramp dragon is troll especially when sword comes
no
my deck is good vs sword
but its terrible vs forest and rune
but i still beat this forest beacuse i high rolled
what u just said u got 4 wins
I would play forest but I have no more brainpower
how u both get 4 wins in same tournament
When weekend tourney first started

I was so lucky
I got 2 wins just now
I only lost against aggro sword because he drew crazy
Otherwise he would have gotten smoked
ok im vs portal i should win this
How did it go
lmao
this guy
he created all dmg ones
to be fair he didnt have allouhette on evo
and i had pretty good hand
last game
no alouette = lose 🏛️
damn forgot about the tourney
random btw
won like 2 in 10 games haven really is the worst deck
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ok this take 2 might be dogshit
entry cost 1k
and look at these rewards
u barely get anything extra for 5 wins
u get 1 pack and rupies back
to go unlimited u have to go always 5 wins
lmao win twice to get your entry worth ?
thats not even true
Its true
1 pack cost 500
Kek
They include that
Who wants to play for Weekly??
@true abyss
idk personally i would play 2pick rather than buying packs straight
its not the best but its not really worse than just buying packs with gold
Yeah but its worth that
Its not about unlimited
you go unlimited if you go 5 wins 2 losses
Its about the worth
but the issue is u only get this one pack so if u want rather new ones
u fucked

well yeah thats kinda fair tho
u think they want u to get packs for free easily? 
well it should be atleast 4 wins 5 wins might not be that easy
i think its pretty fair though. could be 4 wins yeah but they prolly think thats too easy and i dont blkame them
trying shaq 2
got complete ass picks
im def not winning shit
sword mirror ofc
bro this retard had gildaria fuck me
maybe
he had crown into gildaria
the rats will do it
u guys had error too ?
game servers being shit yeah
yigoh still maint too
bruh
cant play any card game
i literlaly just got off hsbg
another sword mirror
yep
this is all take 2 gonna be sword is the best draft deck easily
Why are you surprised, I think sword forest and abyss will be top 3
And portal lowkey good as well
its stupid cuz
you can pick class for free
thats retarded as fuck
how is that draft
u crash on ur 2nd ?
yes
its so fucking annoying
i hope we get packs
for it
u too nevia ?
like wins or lose still count but i cant get in after
this
u dont have errors ?
yeah crash again cygames is shit tier
lol so u too
i knew sword gonna be most popular and propably strongest
because they have best stand alone cards
doesnt require any synergy
Yeah why would people pick anything else with the current card pool
Maybe portal's workable...?
yeah they needa make the classes rng too like 3 of the 6 or maybe even 2 of the 6 would be good
this is just gonna be the sword format
im not touching this take 2 until they fixes these errors
yoo zwei from take two pack
noot bad
i still dont have 3 copies
ok i have idea
im gonna start playing take two when new expansion comes out
that way i can get packs i actually want
unironically I think dragon will be the best take two class
bro i have 4 bonemancers in my deck lmao
their bronze and silvers are really strong
not even close
you just think sword will be good because thats all u played
no
dragon would be decent but idk about best
nah dragon generic cards are actually pretty weak
only one is like merman
maybe
who comes to my mind rn
hops are u just trash
?
but u developing nothing
doesnt matter
draft is all about value
calamity breath
allows you to uptrade in value
you think they have 3 odins?
thats bronze storm
Take 2 is ass
thats pretty common card
What's the best class for it so far
sword
i really think you guys are overrating it
if i was to run this again id make something to counter sword
budget wise i dont think so
abyss have some really quality low rarity card
Abyss can pile on aggro that fast?
sword relies on high tempo, i just dont think it works in take two unless you get high roll draft
mummy
like for example, how does sword clear a evolved vastwing dragon
there is bronze hard removal
normally it wouldnt matter
for 4 mana
in constructed
sword spell
ur relying on the 4 22 right
i can find it how its called
Knightly Rending - Legends Rise Card - Shadowverse: Worlds Beyond
and its bronze so very likely they gonna have this atleast once in deck
https://shadowverse.gg/cards/10222310-band-of-battle-princesses/ also insanely good removal
Band of Battle Princesses - Infinity Evolved Card - Shadowverse: Worlds Beyond
thats not vs vastwing but in general
great removal
Yeah I was thinking dragon has better tempo
not even about tempo they have pretty good cheap removal calamity is there
dragonic warrior is busted in draft
basically any deck that can work with minimal resources will be good in take 2
lol
i havent drawn a single legendary in 4 games 
thing is u need to be consistently good with 5 wins atleast otherwise u lose all the rupies before new set
lmao
if u want to spam take two
whats nice about take two u see cards played u prolly never see on ladder
Rage bait used to be believable
i recommend take screenshot of your take two deck and check during game what u have in deck lol
Hops is the most ardent dragon defender here. If he's telling you it's bad, he's probably correct
i wonder if anyone gonna have balls
to play artifact portal
in this
i feel like u must be so lucky on draft
to have functional artifact deck
yeah servers are shit
The key to playing any draft mode is to just pick high value cards, not try to recreate a constructed deck
Unless the stars align
I should have know mb 
Personally, I don't feel like playing shadowverse: unlimited swordcrafts, so I'm probably picking abyss
For good reason, it's the king of consistency
this format is highkey ass tbh
letting us pick our class makes it not even a draft anymore
yeah i think it should be a random 2 of the 6 we have
either way im not running this format unless i get a free entry
not worth 2 packs to enter
yep
500 sure but 1k fuck off lol
beauty of this u actually dont know what to play around
well u can guess but u have no clue
if they even have it in deck
and how many copies
it hard to make something worse than modern Blizzard 
Trying to play around everything can be a detriment. Sometimes you have to yolo.
ye this is especially bad if u hoarding for new expansion
because u can lose it all
if u gonna keep spamming t2
and getting atleast consistently 5 wins is not that easy
some dude pulled on me gildaria with crown on board
it was gg
lol
Well, having crown at all is pretty strong in take two because it'll allow you win almost all trades and you can't really play aggro in take two (usually)

but ye that removal
silver counters it
both
pretty much
i really want to play but 1k is just too much
what were they they thinking with 1k cost
Honestly, I'ma play tomorrow. I'ma go back to watching Frieren

Their decision to make the entry cost expensive is pretty consistent with how greedily they designed the economy of the game
this feels like living again the FateGO live service
It would actually be an anomaly if they made it cheap
JP 
there gonna be ppl to pull it off
consistently having 5 - 7 wins and never lose rupies
but ye
this shit is way more rng than classic ladder
so good luck with that
The only way to make cygames walk back these decisions is for the money to dry up
u think playing around 3 copies of bronze u smart enough but when u see 4th or 5th card of same copy sheeet
Considering there's skill based match making, I'd be hard pressed to believe anyone can go infinite even if they do nothing but pick sword
ye and these decks are highly upredictable aswell
for example i had in my deck 3 centaurs like thats not great but nobody would ever play around 3 centaurs
that was just example
i think its even possible draft 3 gildarias right ?
@cursive crypt how many wins so far
my first run was a 3-2 lol
i died to ginsetsu
better than me
but ye its impossible to play around cards right
cause u just have no clue
what they can have
but thats beauty of it aswell because its like battle for boards
i dont think u play around shit anyway, just plan lethal with w.e u have in hand and pray
and u react based on what they pull on u without knowing exactly what they have
im doing second run and i have 2 gildarias 
yea
the cards offered in the beginning were never good for portal for me
2x i just got offered zwei and some trash
i would be too scared to play portal
well but how u gonna make good artifact portal deck if they keep giving u stuff that dont give u fuse cards or u get puppets ?
their bronze cards that summon 5/1 or 1/5 is crazy
lol thats not really that crazy
i dont think u ever just play for gundam man, you just play the cards and use it for gamma
i think u would rather want to keep crafting aoes ones
or somehow play for gundam
but i feel like gundam
would be impossible
nah its likr 5 cost 5/5 and summon 1/5
thats insane stats on turn 5
oh
that one
i mean ye
u can just pick neutral shit
that doesnt need any synergy
noah too, and also the 6 cost summon 5/1
yeah just pick good tempo cards
they have really good tempo cards
Alright 1 0 as portal lucking out vs sword
I actually fused the wrong cards I wanted to fuse gamma but I fused beta
But I ended up winning because of that
like for example ralmia seems like complete dogshit
for this format
or u would need to summon
wards / rushes
1 orchid 1 alouette 1 abs guy
Yeah
I do have a few of the 2 drops
Anyways it'll probably be a 1 2 but I'm not having a sword mirror

1 drop that give u 2 fuse cards
wait
do we get rewards
based on rank ?
of take two ?
no right
My thinking is tempo with gamma but let's see how the game goes I ended up winning with beta + beta after all
I honestly think rank in this mode is a mistake
But let's see
apology pack lmao
most drafts have rating 2 them
oh shit there are flairs
for ranks
in take two
hmm
i just wait for next season
and spam it
i just dont want these packs anymore
I might be done with shadowverse
it was fun while hope lasted
Okay 2nd sword slain 
Reminder that I've been an Achim defender before it was cool 
Im getting crushed in take two but its fun not playing the same cards over and over 
are you sure
my past ranked games were probably more variety than the 6 sword players I got in take two

ok not bad 
bro two ginsetsu is carrying so hard 
my opponent is just forced to spend evo points to clear
Waow 1150 rp already?
that was my 3rd run i think
Yo where your ass at
I'm in lounge
Be there or be square
yeah wait

alright im done @wild gale
I had one more battle you bum

You know you can queue match from the park and complete the 5 battle quest right
Where's the fun in that
Also I could have killed you immediately if I didn't troll @mystic tartan smh
Anyway this should be proof enough aggro abyss is absolute dogshit trash

nah ur just bad bro
just watch a couple of those master diamond abyss
@umbral seal

and u will see the difference
The skill on display is drawing agaravy and hoping your opponent bricked

Yeah I saw new age agrobyss using this
Aggro abyss is my most consistent deck in master diamond

Wait
Is it because I'm using old age aggroabyss

It's probably that
I prefer the charon tech in aggro abyss. Evolving beryl with no self damage will cook aggro abyss mirrors
i didnt feel aggro coming out of u
Broke boy

I saw some midrange abyss player get wrecked by agrobyss with that card
spend money 
But then again midrange abyss is unfavoured vs aggro
Yeah I was thinking why aggro abyss didn't include charon
Charon is crazy value
they include 1
Especially against this crazy ass meta
Yeah this is why, it's 3 aragavy or bust with aggrobyss














