Shadowverse

[cursive crypt]

So you can chip them down easier

Odin also helps in chipping them down

So you don't really need to otk in 90% of games

[hazy lily]

interesting play

even tho most ppl got rid of orchis in artifact that guy still plays her

prolly too bad to play real artifact

unlucky

[umbral seal]

Hey, I'ma need a couple more of y'all to hit Master already, pls. Abe & I can't solo carry to S++

[umbral seal]

I still think having 2 Orchis is fine in artifacts, personally.

[hazy lily]

i'm on it

[cursive crypt]

I'll be playing to diamond tomorrow

[hazy lily]

i did b3-a3 in a day

i'm almost at my promos

[cursive crypt]

Holy

Mostly sword?

[hazy lily]

yea i'm spamming sword

mostly

[cursive crypt]

Sword has to be the most consistent class, I see everyone playing it both last season and this one

[hazy lily]

feels like that at least

[umbral seal]

Always has been. That's why Sword downplayers have been annoying me

[warped granite]

20k more points

[umbral seal]

Especially @silver tide

[hazy lily]

first promo match ramp dragon

[umbral seal]

Ramp Dragon gets hard if they can safely play Fennie

It's not unwinnable at that point but it's scary

[cursive crypt]

Ye u need to pressure them at all times so they can't play fennie for free

[hazy lily]

i had lethal turn 6

then he played neptune

if he doesnt play anything now he dies to tentacles

[umbral seal]

Unironically, never playing aggro abyss again at this mmr. It's just an instant lose streak

[hazy lily]

any heal*

[umbral seal]

I like ramp dragon, though.

Not as good as sword but it's fairly consistent

[hazy lily]

ok that was free

one more

[umbral seal]

@cursive crypt Are you still a forest main or what?

What hype train did you switch to?

[cursive crypt]

forest is just the most fun class to me i crafted ward haven thouugh cause i got 3 wilbert and 2 aethers from my packs

[silver tide]

sword cannot compete for t1

the japs agree

[cursive crypt]

but im gonna go bald if i play ward haven one more time and they odin my wilbert

i cant do it

[hazy lily]

i crafted the rest for ward for like 9k

played 1 round

[chilly viper]

oh wow, banish doesn't activate last words?

[hazy lily]

thought holy thats boring

and never played it since

[cursive crypt]

yea banish doesnt kill the unit, it makes it disappear

so every time i play wilbert im litearlly giving enemy an extra turn

and taking 4 damage + whatever they had on board

[umbral seal]

Not only are you wrong now, but you were wrong last season as well. Both the "japanese" and my personal rank/mmr results agree.

Anyone saying Sword is weak in any regard is either a bad player or is disingenously downplaying the class.

Probably both.

[chilly viper]

does this mean it works for "cannot be destroyed by abilities"?

damn

[umbral seal]

Banish isn't destruction, technically.

So something that is immune to destruction should be banishable if it can be targeted

[hazy lily]

i'm coming boys

[umbral seal]

[hazy lily]

only 2/3 of my current points left right

[chilly viper]

what does "midrange" mean

[umbral seal]

Pretty much. The grind from AA0 will probably feel the longest because you will get matched with Master players along with AA players.

[cursive crypt]

Means you have finisher on turn 8-9

[chilly viper]

ohh

[hazy lily]

i have like 13 days vacation left

[umbral seal]

Well, not necessarily. Midrange decks can win earlier but usually don't unless the opportunity presents itself

Like midrange sword has the tools to win well before albert on turn 9

[chilly viper]

is this for any elo? aggro abyss is pretty high up but didn't u say it only worked for lower mmr

[cursive crypt]

Control is more like, you have a lot of cards that interact with the board and typically you will not build that big of a board yourself

[umbral seal]

Yes, Sword is consistent at every elo.

I still think aggro abyss is strong but whenever I play it, I run into the most anti aggro shit lol

[cursive crypt]

Yeah midrange also plays for board, but less face damage early

[umbral seal]

So I don't bother

[cursive crypt]

Or in general I guess

[umbral seal]

Ramp Dragon is weird now because it's very clearly a control deck that floods the board like Sword does

[cursive crypt]

Aggro usually has a lot of 1 and 2 drops and some cheap finisher

[hazy lily]

yea lost to ER rune immediately

[chilly viper]

hmm yea. high risk high reward things i guess

[hazy lily]

norman super evo is giga deadge

2 times in a row

[cursive crypt]

Midrange you just play for board and aim to finish them on turn 8-9

[hazy lily]

what a overtuned card that is

gg balancing

[umbral seal]

Yeah, if they double golem with Norman, you basically need Gildaria

[hazy lily]

how do you even clear that other than with gildaria

[umbral seal]

Or it's probably gg

[umbral seal]

You don't

[hazy lily]

yea thats what i thought

[umbral seal]

Well, you could have double bane

So it's not super impossible

But it's difficult

[hazy lily]

yea but that only clears the wards

then norman is still alive with 8 dmg

[umbral seal]

With more roses in the deck, there's the possibility of having 0 cost banes

To open your options for dealing with nonsense like that

I'm not going to tune my deck to include more roses but I still think she's good

Just no room in my list

I guess I could cut the grimnirs for rose but grimnir has been pretty good (also doesn't dilute Amelia pulls)

[silver tide]

ive said two decks have been the best, rune and portal

and ive continued to say that

your four t1 decks

those are the only 2 that dont crutch on DAO

[fiery pulsar]

did ward haven drop like all their healing?

[silver tide]

no deck is going to be real t1 power level

[fiery pulsar]

i feel like they did the guy i just fought had likke 0

[silver tide]

other than runeportal

until they can also be t1 without the crutches

[umbral seal]

When did they ever have strong healing outside of Salefa & Darkhaven Grace?

I don't even think ward plays darkhaven

[silver tide]

darkhaven is for that

[fiery pulsar]

[silver tide]

mainyu hit face deck

[fiery pulsar]

thats lucky for them then

[silver tide]

you play one of the nun chick that heals 5 maybe

[umbral seal]

Haven is not even the best at healing anymore. It's dragon and rune.

[fiery pulsar]

i just bypass there board with cerb

[silver tide]

just because beta spam is fucking stupid

and still not nerfed

[fiery pulsar]

they even teach you to beta spam in the puzzles

[silver tide]

yeah idk

im starting to belive the whole

"the designers are super attached to the cards they designed so they refuse to nerf shit at the cost of the game balance"

[umbral seal]

That's fine. It's something newer players should learn.

[fiery pulsar]

yea

i just think its funny

[hazy lily]

time to walk my 10k steps and get some jp learning podcast in

after that grind continues

[silver tide]

team5 of all people are way more willing to actually

balance adjust the game

which is crazy considering they cant even fix the fucking game client after 10 years

[chilly viper]

found another tier list from reddit

tfw bottom of the list

[silver tide]

if you want to play S tier

you either play rune or portal

or you craft 3x DAO

pay up

[chilly viper]

):

[silver tide]

remember base set abyss

every high streak abyss deck

3x dao

dao unironically can like

carry a lot of decks up a tier or two

by herself

so honestly its a safeish craft

[fiery pulsar]

Dao?

[chilly viper]

olivia

i like olivia but i wouldn't run 3

[fiery pulsar]

heal and draw is nice

and it plays with the uhh

her

think thats the only reason why people are running 3 of her in control abyss

[cursive crypt]

Wtf

I got nothing for 3 weeks and finally some luck

[chilly viper]

lucky bastard

for me, i get legendary after i crafted the 3rd copy

[hazy lily]

dont worry

you'll hit the 100 packs tomorrow

[cursive crypt]

I will get the 2.5m rupies

[chilly viper]

no mango told me he will get it

[umbral seal]

Liking midrange abyss way more than aggro.

18 legendaries though

[chilly viper]

do you ever +1 on turn 1 to play a 2pp card?

[umbral seal]

That highly depends on what the rest of my hand looks like.

You would think "oh, I have two 2 drops so I should coin out the first one", but that is not always correct. If you have two 2 drops but you don't have playables after that, you should wait so that you can coin out a 5 or 6 drop.

[chilly viper]

ah ok

[umbral seal]

Coining out a 5 drop is usually the stronger play because swing turns happen as soon as evo's unlock

[warped granite]

Bruh this rune downplayer

"Rune is still 2nd tier"

Abyss IS strong tho

[umbral seal]

Rune downplayers are even worse than sword downplayers

Shit makes no sense.

Spellboost has been S tier minimum since day 1

So has sword, but bad players don't want to hear that

[warped granite]

I lost an aggro game to double normal double guardian golem

Norman

[umbral seal]

My problem with Norman is that pure Earth Rite needs him but he shouldn't be in spellboost.

I don't know how I would fix that

[warped granite]

Unlucky, if I had shark though

[warped granite]

The ER cost and economy as a whole probably

It's too easy for SB to get the pittance of ER needed for their shit without stifling their own game plan

[umbral seal]

Yeah, his effect should probably be more expensive. I have seen hybrid lists that run Lilanthim but that's way less common since she's a more expensive investment

[silver tide]

They doubling down on bad design

[warped granite]

As a principle I'd like ER specific cards to give more ER but also cost more so SB can't take advantage of them. The devil is in the implementation though

[silver tide]

Like arti portal and orchis

Also im not kdding about dao crutches

[umbral seal]

Yeah, I agree with the problem analysis here. However, I don't trust cygames to do this correctly

[silver tide]

Outside of arti portal and sb rune

The average DAOs in a deck

Thats listed as S or A tier

Is legit 2.8 or so

Every single one runs minimum 2

There are only 4 decks that dont use dao and 2 are like piss tier

Aggro sword and tempo forest

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FixupX · Jul 19, 2025, 5:15 PM

[silver tide]

I over counted

For t1 and t2 ignoring portal rune which are the real t1s

The decks average dao count is 2.25

[warped granite]

Yeah I don't trust cygames in anything but making money

[silver tide]

https://game8.jp/shadowverse-beyond/694512

O Index = Average number of Odin/Olivia run in that deck pool

Arti Portal and SB Rune have 0 and are excluded from T1

The O Index for T1 and T2 is 2.11, with Roach being the only other deck that runs neither

The O Index if expanded to include T3 is 2.92

[true abyss]

Odin is the best legendary in the set it seems

What are the things beside the vials

[hazy lily]

jesus christ

[true abyss]

Explain

[cursive crypt]

wym explain

that guy had a 22 winstreak

[hazy lily]

prolly tickets or legi tickets

i dont even see the S border we should have for last season

[true abyss]

Accidentally replied, I wanted to reply to my text

@cursive crypt you got the 120 points reward last season right? What was the middle thingy

How does this work?

You can't choose the board position iirc

[cursive crypt]

this is what i got this season

from guild

[true abyss]

Oh, it's a free pack

I ain't getting 1200 points no shot

[cursive crypt]

if you're in master it takes like 20 gaems lol

u get 15x the grp in master or some shitr

[true abyss]

Dayum

[cursive crypt]

some ridiculous number

[true abyss]

Then maybe ig

[hazy lily]

lets see how far i can come today

AA0 fresh

[true abyss]

🤨

[cursive crypt]

2 units on the board. you attack something, the other thing got destroiyed

if theres only one you can attack face

and it will destroy the one on the board

[umbral seal]

I'm over 4k already. The pts gain is insane at Masters

[true abyss]

Basically it shouldn't be played on 1 vs 0 ?

[cursive crypt]

its still face damage

why not

[true abyss]

Ye, also wait it can never be 1 vs 0, you need 2 amulets on board for it to work, so it will always destroy something if i have 2 amulets

[hazy lily]

i just hope i can somehow reach diamond

and climb faster

[true abyss]

Should I craft 2 odins?

I have 1

[hazy lily]

could be pog

if its aggro

just need something to deal with agra

[true abyss]

Grimnir good in that deck?

[hazy lily]

very

grimnir+gildaria can clear so much shit

any other sevo too tho

but gildaria for nasty aoe dmg

[cursive crypt]

forest still good

[true abyss]

I see

[hazy lily]

no you're just good

[cursive crypt]

odin is like the best thing you can craft rn

every single class uses it

if your deck uses odin just craft it tbh

[true abyss]

Okay he's next on the list then, as soon as I get enough vials

[cursive crypt]

can cygames please just let me buy titania leader for 1k gems

why do they hate money

[umbral seal]

No, they obviously love money. Which is why they're making you spend considerably more than 1k gems to get her

[mystic tartan]

wajaja

[cursive crypt]

this ticket bullshit is so bad man

[warped granite]

Ok I won 3 games in a row cos the opponent couldn't put any unit by turn 4 vs face dragon. Last guy even had to coin bullet to kill 1 guy

I think I won just cos they're expecting ramp

[umbral seal]

Ramp is considerably more popular right now. Out of the 100+ games I played since the expansion, I've only seen one face dragon and it was today.

[warped granite]

I don't think face is that bad now, just auto loses vs haven

[umbral seal]

A lot of people are hopping off the Ward Haven train, it seems

Which means people will start returning to forest

[umbral seal]

Sure, but it doesn't consistently beat a lot of the top decks either. It can beat them, but not consistently.

[true abyss]

What's your face dragon list

[warped granite]

Yeah ward haven is such a polarizing deck

[warped granite]

Definitely not, I think abyss is still better. I love the surprise factor though

[cursive crypt]

people are hopping off ward haven because of odin

wad haven is still good tho

A tier at least

[warped granite]

Copied from this guy

You can use fighter in lieu of filene but she's been decently useful for me

Maybe not worth the crafting cost though. I just have her ready

[warped granite]

i do want to play it but so expensive im waiting until an optimized list

[cursive crypt]

the optimized list will likely contain 20 legendaries

im gonna keep opening packs from this set anyway

until i get my titania

surely i will get it

[hazy lily]

[chilly viper]

which part

agnes is my fav card in my deck tbh

if u have 2 amulets, when u attack, she will destroy a follower that isn't her attack target

[hazy lily]

he didnt get albert

and i didnt get lethal either

holy shit

xD

what a clownfiesta

[silver tide]

You know

What happens when its set rotation

And you cant dust non extra playset

You just forced to have set of unplayable in standard cards

[hazy lily]

my beloved duo

[mystic tartan]

fuck i lost cus timeout

BRO THIS ANIMATION SO LONG FUCK

[gritty anvil]

@warped granite i totally forget that haven removal is rng

lmao what was that grapplr play

[warped granite]

never punished

control abyss seems good and plays really smooth

[gritty anvil]

bro

u see his plays

thats some emerald plays

he kill aragavy with reapears

instead of skeleton

dafuq

[hazy lily]

send strimmm

[gritty anvil]

grapplr

but crazy part is he still winning

[hazy lily]

oh that english guy

[gritty anvil]

even with these crazy misplays

yes

[gritty anvil]

i think control abyss really wants 1 coc

because its sometimes akward to end games

[warped granite]

also i think it looks good because he's only facing haven for some reason om

[gritty anvil]

also astaroth synergize with 1 dmg ghost if they have no ward

[warped granite]

can only utilise this combo if you're 2nd though

[gritty anvil]

no i mean even for next turn

doesnt matter

abyss have ways deal 1 dmg

[warped granite]

i suppose yeah

[gritty anvil]

btw hes not running crypt ?

in this deck

or he does

[warped granite]

crypt the artifact? i think he took it out

[gritty anvil]

bro

crypt pulling out is crazy

because its also removal

vs aggro

and can be finisher too

and also for mukan removal

but ye this explain why he is ruby

[nocturne karma]

@gritty anvil has leveled up! (87 ➜ 88)

[true abyss]

Someone give me base set legendaries so that I can play other classes

[gritty anvil]

what u mean

u can check in game no

[true abyss]

? I need legendaries

[warped granite]

maybe check with jenazad's oilers

he got funded $500 for kitasan black in horse game

[true abyss]

So lucky

[hazy lily]

jenazad got his pulls in etheria from other guys too

[true abyss]

I should become a gacha streamer too

[gritty anvil]

yes lmao

well forst deck dont need any legos

[true abyss]

TIL bane goes through barriers

[gritty anvil]

but forest deck is bad in lower ranks

because everyone plays ward haven

well lower group

[true abyss]

I don't like Forest

[gritty anvil]

well other decks using legos

a lot of them actually

[true abyss]

I need 3x Strom guy for my SC deck

[gritty anvil]

odin olivia and their class ones aswell

ye jena have oilers

9 games winstreak is insane with these misplays lol

but i guess its ruby

btw ghastly in abyss that bronze 2 mana spell

is so good

one of the best cards abyss got this set

its basically much better bonemancer

and bonemancer was already really good

[warped granite]

like 5 of them are ward haven, i think it's impossible for them to win

[gritty anvil]

its possible but very hard

i dont know how many odins grapplr run

i think greedy haven list

can beat this

if they run like 3 lapises

or grifons for face dmg

i think haven lists can be greedy kinda

because they have a lot of wards

and salefa

honestly abyss got like overall best cards from this set

they got vuella charon ginsetsu 2 mana bronze spell exella

all good cards

[warped granite]

good types for all archetypes

[gritty anvil]

also some really good 1 drops

[warped granite]

well abyss did need them

[gritty anvil]

well abyss was already pretty solid

even before this set

now its almost top tier

it actually might be top tier

[warped granite]

i was looking from aggro view, last patch aggro was sad

aggros are looking more viable this season (still not top top tho)

[wild gale]

Shadowverse saving legends of runeterra streamers

[hazy lily]

and lose streak here we go again

fucking SB rune bullshit

suck my nuts

time to switch it up maybe

[gritty anvil]

aggro is insane now

it can smorc u down so fast

they have all the tools now

[warped granite]

i've been enjoying dragon, i think it's slower than abyss but i always win vs abyss

[gritty anvil]

yes

[warped granite]

more liable to get fucked by rune though

[gritty anvil]

ramp dragon beats abyss and haven

[hazy lily]

RUNE, RUNE, RUNE, RUNE, RUNE, RUNE, RUNE, RUNE, RUNE, RUNE,

[warped granite]

haven we don't need to mention it

[hazy lily]

do ppl play any other deck

[gritty anvil]

portal is also pretty good match up

[warped granite]

oh I meant face dragon

[gritty anvil]

but u gonna struggle vs abyss aggro

oh

[warped granite]

but face dragons do trade well vs abyss aggro

because of the 2 mana spitting dragon

[true abyss]

Hey dude I can't make any other deck

[gritty anvil]

if its build correctyl it can beat aggro abyss yes

if u run apollo

[warped granite]

yep and apollo ofc

[gritty anvil]

also u have lizards

lizard is so good vs aggro

[brisk adder]

any wanna do weeklys?

[warped granite]

odin saves aggro

[chilly viper]

not yet right?

[gritty anvil]

kinda ye

[hazy lily]

you're fine

[gritty anvil]

also that blade amulet

is very good

[hazy lily]

but those ppl have other decks

but choose to play rune which is as difficult

as cataclysm frost dk in wow

[warped granite]

the +1/1 amulet? yeah it's really good

[gritty anvil]

https://x.com/DagekiVMAX/status/1946532374910738624

がド (@DagekiVMAX)

フェイスドラゴンで15連勝！
あまりにもデッキが強い
#シャドバWB

X · Jul 19, 2025, 11:27 AM

list like this

15 games winstreak is insane

in diamond

[hazy lily]

450rp for a win

climbing in dia is so piss easy

but i cant reach it

somehow

[gritty anvil]

well but u facing good players

and good decks too

[warped granite]

ooo i should try his list, looks interesting. the 2 neutral boys fucked me up before

the one I use from tororo has been working well for me so far though

im honestly still on 2 minds whether to cut detective. detective has been working really well for me a lot of times

but merman is also good to stabilize into forte turns

[hazy lily]

welp

lost the game

cuz of norman again

really good card

cygames very good at balancing

[warped granite]

he also doesn't use the buffer. very interesting take on face drag

[hazy lily]

3 dclimb

3 norman

0 gildaria for me

gg

[true abyss]

I can make this deck, just need 3 legos

[gritty anvil]

man grapplr is just misplays after misplays

he reapers 2/2 instead of saving it for jeno turn

there was no reason killing that 2/2

[wild gale]

It's really funny

[cursive crypt]

Maybe it's just me but I would cut one of the 2 drops with the orca

That thing has rush

[jovial anvil]

yo theres a shadowverse channel here too

[true abyss]

He is in the same group as me for a reason

[gritty anvil]

ye but obviously this worked for him

maybe why its good because its also 5 drop

[cursive crypt]

Yeah honestly that amulet is crazy good, and merman too

[gritty anvil]

ye

[cursive crypt]

Dragon got a lot of good cards

[gritty anvil]

merman take board control

and u just go face

yes

they got good stuff for ramp and aggro

[cursive crypt]

No i mean the 2pp orcas

[gritty anvil]

i know with rush

but what would u cut

gold 2 drop ?

thats also 5 drop ?

[cursive crypt]

No the spell

[gritty anvil]

oh

1 mana deal 2 overflow 4 ?

[cursive crypt]

2pp spell summon orca, overflow draw the same spell

[gritty anvil]

i know but for what

u cut what in this deck

for orcas

[jovial anvil]

what the fuck am i watching

this abyss mirror mu

on grapplrs stream

[true abyss]

One is aggro

Enemy is aggro

[jovial anvil]

oh he has the 9cost u right

hes not aggro

[gritty anvil]

obviously lol

[cursive crypt]

Actually it's tough :/ maybe there's a world where you cut the 2pp dragon girl

[jovial anvil]

i went 1-2 yesterday with spellboost

but i played last season spellboost cause i had no normans yet

[gritty anvil]

i think that card is now really good beacuse u can buff it with blade

every turn

[jovial anvil]

so i just died to broken ass beta artifact spam

[gritty anvil]

if it survive

[warped granite]

Ruby slayer

[true abyss]

Oh hi, I helped you in forsen's server

[jovial anvil]

sup bro

finally got a good deck

im never trying to build my own shit ever again

anything i played was auto losing to all decks on ladder

[cursive crypt]

That amulet isn't like the haven amulet, it can only buff once

[gritty anvil]

no

it keep respawning

u buff someone

[cursive crypt]

Yea when your unit dies

[gritty anvil]

and when it dies

yes

oh

well

i mean if it get killed u get it again but its still worth it

to buff

intimidate dragon

[jovial anvil]

i also rolled the dragon leader yesterday but im never playing dragon

it's so bad its funny

[cursive crypt]

Yeah I guess being an intimidate unit is quite valuable

[gritty anvil]

dark haven is obviously much better

[cursive crypt]

Cygames actually need to give me Titania leader

She is so cute

Do you get to choose when you've opened 250 packs

I'm gonna keep opening this set till the end of time with my rupies

[jovial anvil]

i didnt want any leader from the new xpac honestly

unfortunate that i rolled one

[gritty anvil]

oh u really want her ?

[hazy lily]

send list

[warped granite]

titania bedroom eyes man

[jovial anvil]

but i wanted the haven one more than the dragon one

[hazy lily]

i need something that isnt sword for a change of pace

[gritty anvil]

not its random

[warped granite]

hops shared one earlier, im testing that, won 3 out of 3 so far kek

[gritty anvil]

350 u can chose

[cursive crypt]

Titania victory voice line is cute af

[cursive crypt]

[gritty anvil]

u basically at 250 can pass

[chilly viper]

[gritty anvil]

and that mean u dont get lucky chest but 350 gonna be guarantee

so u need to open 100 more packs

[chilly viper]

i just watched an 18 turn game

[jovial anvil]

is this fr

only 1 legendary

[true abyss]

I thought you were f2p

[jovial anvil]

and its a neutral

[cursive crypt]

Holy this is more expensive than ward haven deck

[warped granite]

dos legendarios, forte y odin

[jovial anvil]

is this actually what dragon plays now

[gritty anvil]

aggro deck lol

[chilly viper]

not my deck, i'm watching twitch strimmer

[jovial anvil]

ye i have 0 odins sadly, close to crafting my first

[true abyss]

Grapple?

[cursive crypt]

Also why tf do they run a serpents just go 3 odins

[gritty anvil]

oh wait

[warped granite]

odin is used in almost every deck i wouldn't be very unhappy crafting him

[gritty anvil]

thats abyss control

ye abyss control is expensive af

[jovial anvil]

yea

[gritty anvil]

ramp dragon too

[chilly viper]

no, https://www.twitch.tv/pamela_emuritto

[jovial anvil]

its good in spellboost too

[warped granite]

this is also another deck I used, 12/15 wins was with this deck

it's more traditional face drag

the one hops shared is new

[gritty anvil]

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[jovial anvil]

im curious what dragon legendaries i have

maybe i can make that aggro deck

once i have the odins

[warped granite]

also no, dragons play mostly ramp

face is a minority now, most aggro players play abyss

[jovial anvil]

every ramp i ran into was autowin

i played vs a ramp dragon

that played the halve ur deck cost girl TWICE

and i still won

[gritty anvil]

i think why aggro dragon isnt played that much because there isnt enough forest and rune

[jovial anvil]

[gritty anvil]

which is like best match up

for aggro dragon

[jovial anvil]

ya theres much less rune nowdays

bcs of the insane amount of aggro

[gritty anvil]

but ye aggro dragon should be pretty good vs aggro abyss

but aggro abyss can catch u off guard with healing bats

[cursive crypt]

Dude why is this grapplr guy running Apollo with Charon?

Is he dumb

[gritty anvil]

nah thats fine

[cursive crypt]

Wym

[gritty anvil]

u usually dont want to super evo

charon

tbh

[cursive crypt]

You wanna rez the girl or zombie

[gritty anvil]

but

u dont want to waste

[warped granite]

i think aggrobyss is better vs. rune, dragon has higher risk of running out of steam

[gritty anvil]

suepr evo on charon

u saving it for cerberus

[jovial anvil]

arent u supposed to not play non ghost 1pps in abyss because otherwise you screw your cerb?

[warped granite]

the refined lists have been doing fine vs rune though but it's not autowin, maybe 60-40?

[jovial anvil]

or idk i dont play abyss

[cursive crypt]

Cerby only needs one

[gritty anvil]

btw abe bonemancer isnt played anymore

[cursive crypt]

You don't wanna sevo cerby twice

[gritty anvil]

but u can draw 2

[cursive crypt]

Yea cause there are better alternatives

[gritty anvil]

that 2 mana spell

is better bonemancer

[jovial anvil]

cant cerb summon bats and get screwed

[gritty anvil]

pretty much

[jovial anvil]

[gritty anvil]

that bronze spell is so cracked

[cursive crypt]

The 2nd one is too rng to sevo

[gritty anvil]

its really not great play

to super evo

charon

trust me

u really dont want to do it

unless u must

[cursive crypt]

It's a nice setup for cerby if you're winning

[gritty anvil]

ok example is if she survive right

after playing her

u super evo face

now its value

but if u super evoing just to trade its not great

its not after cerb tho

cerb is one turn after

wait

[cursive crypt]

It's countdown 3 or 2?

[gritty anvil]

when super evo unlocks

its 6 or 7

[gritty anvil]

2

[cursive crypt]

The crest lasts 2 turns that's like 4 extra damage for cerby

[gritty anvil]

btw apollos is cuttable

u can add instead 2/2 ward girl

[cursive crypt]

It's dog shit bruh

[gritty anvil]

or orthus

but that thing that respawn from charon

cant attack

when its spawn

so u cant even setup lethal

with it

honestly charon only gonna get better with more expansions

[cursive crypt]

I forgot it it spawns on your turn start or end

[gritty anvil]

its start of your turn

[cursive crypt]

Turn start right

[gritty anvil]

yes

[cursive crypt]

Yeah ig it's not that useful

[gritty anvil]

ye charon super evo atm isnt as worth rn

but it might get much better later

imagine they realease some storm 3 drop

now she become busted

[cursive crypt]

The only good unit to rez is the 2/4 girl with rush

If you wanna setup lethal with ghost

[gritty anvil]

ye 2/4 girl is really good to

resurect

imagine turn u res her right

u play olivia turn after

with mummy

lol

[cursive crypt]

Yeah

[gritty anvil]

8 face dmg that turn

[cursive crypt]

I saw someone play 2 of that and a ghost on the same turn

8 face damage lol

[gritty anvil]

btw crumpy played on tournament really good midrange abyss deck it wasnt aggro it was midrange and got 3 wins

it wasnt also control even was true midrange deck with a lot of face dmg

[cursive crypt]

Does he run one drops

[gritty anvil]

noo

skeletons for charon

as 1 drop

btw resing phil

is really op with charon

because u can instantly evo him

orthus is also really good

but orthus already have ward

mino is ok aswell

u get free skeleton

dingding free card draw

[warped granite]

any of you is shrigmamale in grapplr's chat?

[cursive crypt]

I don't like mino when you have mukan

[gritty anvil]

why

well his deck had no mukan

[warped granite]

cos i hope not

[gritty anvil]

no ceres no mukan

[cursive crypt]

Oh then it's not bad ig

[gritty anvil]

why its bad

[cursive crypt]

Skeletons are quite op

[gritty anvil]

mino with mukan

i dont get it

[cursive crypt]

1 HP unit

Oh

Idk why would you run a mediocre 2 drop

[gritty anvil]

if anything its synergy

because u get skeleton

[cursive crypt]

Whose sole purpose is for removal

[gritty anvil]

and mukan give it bane

well mino is 2 2/1 which is bad

but u get free skeleton and shes also removal at 4

shes not bad

[cursive crypt]

At 4 just play mukan

I would run soiree with mukan

Instead of mino

[gritty anvil]

but mukan needs manual evo

if u dont have shadows

mino just kills stuff

without needing evo

u usually dont have 8 shadows on 4 well u can but propably not

[cursive crypt]

Not really but u don't wanna play mini to remove a shitty unit like phildau on turn 4 anyway

[gritty anvil]

oh also

mino

give u skeleton

for exella

which is really valuable

[gritty anvil]

ye i mean my control list runs only 1 mino

[cursive crypt]

Well I said you either run mukan or mino not both

[gritty anvil]

and 2 mukans

and crumpy ones were playing 3 minos i think and 0 mukan

so make sense

which make even more sense because he played 2 exella

[gritty anvil]

i really dont think its that bad run both

[cursive crypt]

Maybe I should try mino in aggro abyss as well

[gritty anvil]

depends on type of deck

u play

[true abyss]

May have considered saving him for the ER legendary

[gritty anvil]

yes u should try her in abyss

[true abyss]

How new is grapplr

[gritty anvil]

aggro abyss

[cursive crypt]

Redundant imo, u don't really need that much removal in midrange and control already runs medusas and ginsetsu

[gritty anvil]

hes not that new

he know game well

he just doing misplays a lot

[true abyss]

Wait, there is a no evo challenge?

[cursive crypt]

I mean his opponent is just as bad

This rune player is cosplaying puppet players

[gritty anvil]

btw ghastly spell is ridiculous good

[true abyss]

Saving evos for Shadowverse 3

[gritty anvil]

abe u remember how u were complaining how bonemancer is good ?

well this spell is even better bonemancer

[cursive crypt]

She was op yeah but the 3 cost zombie is better

[gritty anvil]

because u get on hand better bonemancer + skeleton + ghost lol

[cursive crypt]

Also gives Skelly and ghost

[gritty anvil]

ye

broken card

[cursive crypt]

Skelly is also op

[gritty anvil]

i think if someone play abyss and not using that card they trolling

vuella and that bronze spell should be in every abyss deck

basically

oh ye i forgot

charon can ressurect coco or mimi

after cerberus is played

thats really op

[chilly viper]

https://tv.supa.sh/logs?c=grapplr&u=shrigmamale982&d=2025-07

[gritty anvil]

i should really craft 2 extra charon lol

shes too good

[chilly viper]

nothing out of the ordinary

why

[cursive crypt]

Yea, I ran into someone that kept resurrecting the 2/1 doggo

Actually so annoying I took 4 damage for no reason

[gritty anvil]

also double ward mean she can survive aswell

charon is like one of the safest chars i feel like

that card gonna be used for long ass time

*crafts

because her value only gonna increase

with every set

if they release some ridiculous 2 drop with last word

or even 1 drop

[cursive crypt]

Yea maybe she won't be ass in aggro in the future

[gritty anvil]

why is she isnt played in aggro

even now

i dont get it

its 3 bodies for exella

[jovial anvil]

anyone got a good abyss aggro list? trying to find a deck for my friend, i found this one but i remember abyss aggro runs cerb no?

[gritty anvil]

also there is chance she might survive

and u can go face

[cursive crypt]

It's 5 cost do nothing lol

You would rather push more damage face

Than play for board at that point

[gritty anvil]

well yes but not all cards push dmg

in abyss

u need to play them first

but i dont know maybe there is just no space

if there was space shes played in aggro

i feel like

[cursive crypt]

No she is just not that good in aggro

I would rather play ghost +excella and Evo on turn 5

Than Charon

Or aragavy evo

[gritty anvil]

cerb usually isnt run in aggro

its too late

[cursive crypt]

Why would u run cerby

To summon Lilith?

Bats?

[gritty anvil]

ye lol

its bad

u would need to have board

to play her

to get value

but u most likely not gonna have board

turn 7

*8

and by turn 8 they supposed to be dead already

[cursive crypt]

Why does that list run soul predation as well

So bad

[gritty anvil]

ye that deck dont need card draw

[true abyss]

Grapple just used evo on a skeleton to clear a 2/2, ok bruh

[silver tide]

click jp stream

abyss

its turn 6

hand is dao dao odin gravy

this really is the wallet class

[umbral seal]

@warped granite Whenever @primal isle sends the guild application, mind taking care of it for me? Going to sleep

[umbral seal]

Do you think this is a bad play?

[true abyss]

He is at full, has a lot of heal, felt like it was not needed

[silver tide]

is apollo back on the menu

for the bat terrorists

[umbral seal]

Playing for board is usually correct. Also depends on what the evo count was looking like between players

[silver tide]

bruh this game is so cringe

abyss t6 dragon t7 abyss t7 was literally

dao + 2drop super evo

back and forth

[warped granite]

sure thing

[umbral seal]

[blissful olive]

[warped granite]

we might need to kick soemone who havent been online for 10 days, i'll check

[umbral seal]

I already took care of that

There's a few fellas who haven't logged in for over a week but I'm not kicking them yet. Only if I need to make space.

[warped granite]

oh yeah nvm I saw. alright @primal isle let me know your name when you apply so I know it's you

anyways i've been watching grapplr and my conclusion is he's still better than most of his chat

[warped granite]

not these days, they want to end early

[umbral seal]

He's AA2 sapphire iirc and most players are not around that level

Or you have the classic "diamond C0" player boasting about it on reddit like it's an accomplishment

This is why I continue to say skill is more important than the inherent luck factor in card games. Because there is almost always more than one line of play to consider every single turn no matter what your deck is

And bad players think these considerations are pointless so it must be "luck"

Chat saying "olivia" like it's the obvious correct play

[red plover]

basically like poker, the noob can get lucky and win but the pro will win more overall

[hazy lily]

i'm back to ruby

fml

scripted

i'll reach master without ever touching diamond

telling yall

[blissful olive]

i mean

ive already seen a topaz master

[umbral seal]

Nothing wrong with that.

[blissful olive]

most of my games are ruby-sapp too

[hazy lily]

sucks

70% winrate down to 40%

or smth

alotta rune that fuck me

and artifact portal

friend says artifact is 80/20 for sword

that sounds like bullshit

if you ask me

big time

[fossil holly]

im almost master and im like emerald lol

[silver tide]

he finally flash full decklist

rank72 master

[fossil holly]

[umbral seal]

So, that match-up is closer than many people seem to suggest but it's definitely not this favorable for sword.

[silver tide]

another +5 to the o index

on the bright side this is like actually affordable deck

[true abyss]

They should make football permanent in lobby

[hazy lily]

yea i mean he says control and aggro abyss have 80% same cards too

so i pay him no attention

[umbral seal]

That's just factually incorrect lol. Sounds like dude just be chirpin'

[hazy lily]

yea

[blissful olive]

they all run lesser mummy

100% same deck

[hazy lily]

dont see any benefit in playing aggro other than the rounds are usually faster than normal

[blissful olive]

hmmm well its better vs a few MU

like rune is the best example especially if its SB rune

control abyss vs rune is not good cause the eventual coc

[gritty anvil]

reason why aggro is good it has way less chance to brick compared to other decks so that also mean higher chance winning

[blissful olive]

as well as forest and sword

both favored vs abyss mid/control

[umbral seal]

I think the forest match-up is dependent on not dying before you get to ginsetsu

I would agree sword is favored but not by much.

[hazy lily]

BROS

PRAY

FILENE FEET PLS

N OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

OMG

[mystic tartan]

[hazy lily]

i got aether

the fucking worst one

[mystic tartan]

wajaja

[hazy lily]

i kms

and then that

you motherfucking

[gritty anvil]

u got ticket ?

[hazy lily]

yea

[gritty anvil]

if i got aether i would propably craft haven legos lol

[hazy lily]

i'm pissed

[gritty anvil]

and play storm haven

[warped granite]

i would still throw myself into her bosom

[hazy lily]

default haven leader is better tho

thats the problem

if it was for forest or dragon i wouldnt mind

but i dont need a haven leader

we want the waifu wall

that means dragon and forest need to get out

[umbral seal]

Esperanza's emote game is too funny

[lone agate]

I discovered the joy of playing puppets

[hazy lily]

rune sb topdeck william with exactly enough dmg to kill my yurius

thats my life

[blissful olive]

haven leader is great

my head canon is she needs the mask cause shes constantly ripping ass in church

[lone agate]

[hazy lily]

exactly lethal on hand again

i hate rune players

they all can die

in gta

[lone agate]

I thought I was dead because he dropped yurious before I could play orchis

I top deck odin

ezy

[hazy lily]

yea theres just no way i win against artifact

havent won a single match

against that archetype

[cursive crypt]

Just pray they don't draw 4 alouettes into ralmia

[wild gale]

They will draw Sylvia instead of aloulette

Artifact fair and balanced

[gritty anvil]

hmm i actually misplayed i would have 3 wins

with control abyss

2-1 still solid

bro 3 wins only gets like 200 vials more and 1 pack

compared to 2 wins

thats such joke

losing purpose of tryharding in this

[jovial anvil]

I would trade

I wanted the haven one and I got feet

[chilly viper]

feet leader calls

[red plover]

when you draw 3 odins and win because of it

[gritty anvil]

vs haven ?

[red plover]

nah it was portal, but Im low ranked so most people I play against dont seem that good

[hazy lily]

anytime

[hazy lily]

puppet, puppet, puppet, puppet, puppet

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1325310511998439454/1334408784055107624/IMG_8813.gif

[chilly viper]

me but grea->grea->kuon->kuon

[warped granite]

Damn topdeck odin into lethal always feel so cringe (no, it feels so good)

[fiery pulsar]

i some how won this game with this bricked ass hand BTW ****

[fading echo]

i knew i was right to hate the cannon

portal guy put it in his deck and the win rate went to hell

[fiery pulsar]

oh rune cuck

time to blow up da board

[umbral seal]

Going first with a 3 drop isn't a brick. Even if you skip your turn 2, this hand is fine depending on draws

[fiery pulsar]

i didnt show my next 2 draws were another cerb and another odin

it was rough that game

but i still won

[warped granite]

koyori is at it again, still AA diamond with sword

[wild gale]

Rune cucks getting ass blasted by abyss control love to see it

[gritty anvil]

https://shadowverse-wb.com/ja/deck/detail/?hash=2.3.cH1g.cH1g.cH1g.cH3E.cH3E.cH3E.cYqu.cfTu.cfTu.cfTu.cfgE.cfgE.cfgE.cfgY.cfgY.cfgY.cfjM.cfjM.cfjM.cfy-.cfy-.cfy-.cfz8.cfz8.cfz8.cg9U.cg9U.cg9U.cg9e.cg9e.cg9e.cgCc.cgCc.cgCc.cxFE.cxFE.d1r6.d1r6.d2a8.d2a8 this is what chappy playing

[gritty anvil]

@umbral seal i got first gildaria from pack

honestly if i get some sword lego later i might pick sword free deck

[gritty anvil]

daily pack

oh shit weekly reset

[umbral seal]

You make it sound like you're still missing a lot of cards

[gritty anvil]

yes

2 more right

exella is so busted man

[primal isle]

applied to guild

[nocturne karma]

@primal isle has leveled up! (11 ➜ 12)

[gritty anvil]

4 mana 5/3 storm is stupid

[blissful olive]

shes good but u need the board

[gritty anvil]

thats easy af

in abyss

u just hold skeletons

and ghosts

or use crypt

that 2 mana new bronze spell is perfect for it

and mino give u skeleton aswell

[blissful olive]

u cant do that turn 4 tho

[gritty anvil]

with crypt u can

coin mino

[blissful olive]

ur not dropping crpt turn 3 in aggro

or playing mino lol

[gritty anvil]

next turn taht 2 mana spell turn 3 crypt

crypt can be used for trading

why not