is the token a puppet or permanent unit
#Shadowverse
cursive crypt
cursive crypt
its anne grea at home 
cursive crypt
its nice though since puppet is kinda weak turn 3-5
nothing to play
bro i swear if that card is in haven it will require evo point to summon the token 
blissful olive
t3 puppet is when u would if u can
drop eudie
turn 4 idk we dont really have a 4 drop huh
usually turn 4 i end up like using puppet shield to board clear
mystic tartan
hazy lily
thats why he lost
unlucky
imagine playing puppet with orchis as your wincon
but not running her leader
cursive crypt
bro this guy played gundam twice and lost 
wild gale
bro this guy played gundam twice and lost <:OMEGALUL:641778355737329673>
You healed that much?
Sounds like an abyss playrr
cursive crypt
no i was playing haven
lapis > gundam
to be fair that guy was a noob
he only drew one orchis
cursive crypt
it was only 3 turns apart too
he played gundam on turn 13 and 16
he was stalling to get me low but i just drop lapis
and as soon as i dropped her he made the gundam 
chilly viper
someone need to make shadowverse puzzles like chess puzzles
cursive crypt
just play forest
blissful olive
aggro forest
chilly viper
"spot the lethal" exercises
chilly viper
why do u hesitate with that second bounce lol
chilly viper
warped granite
suck it puppet girl
wild gale
suck it puppet girl
Face dragon 
gritty anvil
ye shes nothing crazy just another removal
she can build wall thats pretty good
puppets were missing 5 drop
which is good addition
lizard one shot victoria 
apollo too
wild gale
I was starting to think puppet was underpowrred
Looks like a good addition to make puppet balanced
gritty anvil
but ye zwei isnt even busted at all
which is good thing i guess
also dumping 1/1 puppets now make more sense from hand
if your hand is too full
she make them wards
so u can protect her ass
actually she can kinda snowball but that not gonna happen very often like for example if they have no removal that goes over wards
u can even play puppet to build ward and protect her
but at that point u kinda wasting puppets if your hand isnt full
shes kinda good with these 1 mana 3/3 because those sometimes survive after trade and they stay ward
or puppet shield
i like they didnt give her any evo effect lol they know puppets needs all the evos for late game
gritty anvil
but ye so far haven lookin good ramp dragon
what else
rune is w/e depends what else they got for earth rite
forest got something but its also not that crazy
but i guess cynthia is very good
abyss looking great aswell
mystic tartan
yeah i do kinda want dirt rune to be good
gritty anvil
but ye there is like 0 % chance dirt will be better than spellboost
but could be atleast not worst deck in game 
and playing kuon and anne grea in dirt isnt really playing dirt rune i feel like ppl just cope with it because there arent better cards
umbral seal
Mordecai with aura is pretty good.
umbral seal
Using Kuon, who is one of the best legendaries in the game, as your benchmark is certainly a take
blissful olive
no its not good sir
its the same craft and they will directly compared from SB to dirt
we havent seen the 2nd lego iirc tho so theres still hope
umbral seal
It's always funny hearing these takes from people whom I remember what their week 1 takes were. Specifically for you, claiming that Cerb was not good and Abyss had no good finisher.
I'd love to put money on predictions, honestly.
blissful olive
i still stand by that and im right
cerb doesnt do it by herself she needs set up
not to mention that dirt lego is not good enough to actually just run dirt they need more help than that
umbral seal
A finisher needing set-up does not mean it's a bad finisher. Awful take.
The problem with dirt rune right now is that the current package right now is strong early & mid game, but it falls off a cliff late game. Lilanthim helps that a lot and removing her permanently takes a lot of non-target resources.
Added to the fact that if you kill her, her last word gives her pseudo storm, putting the game on a very short clock similar to the how Lapis does
blissful olive
nah ur missing my point
umbral seal
Except Lilanthim is considerably harder to remove.
blissful olive
cerb by herself does nothing
she needs a target to attack
orchis or anyone else
has storm and hits u and u die
cerb depends on ur opp having a board
umbral seal
she needs a target to attack
A downside alleviated by ghost amulet set up. I've been aware of this downside but this is only really relevant against a deck like spellboost rune, which Abyss is already extremely favored against.
blissful olive
yeah thats just my point with cerb she needs other cards to work and ur opp needs a board everyone else can just slam their boss monster on the table
abyss is the only one that cant
i honestly would like to run dirt but i need to see the other lego
umbral seal
Your point is rather moot, though. Decks will have boards for Cerb to trade into and the ones that don't (forgot about Haven with amulets), Abyss already cooks way before Cerb comes down anyway.
blissful olive
tbh i dont think dirt can be standalone kuon and grea are 2 good
i think its always gonna be a hybrid
even taking away the spell boost from kuon its still good same with grea
umbral seal
I will agree that Dirt Rune will probably run those because they're too good. Just like how artifacts run Orchis for the same reason.
umbral seal
Turn 5 stabilizers are important for slower decks or aggro will just run rampant on ladder
This is the biggest reason why I don't have an issue with cards like Aloutte, Salefa, A&G, etc.
blissful olive
yeah thats why i keep saying havens lifeline is salefa
umbral seal
Now, this is all to say that I don't think Dirt Rune will be top tier. But I do think it'll be A tier, which is what I call any deck that I consider viable for climbing through Master.
Predicting Ward Haven to be S tier is entirely dependent on how reliably Haven can pull off Aether into Jeanne
There are decks that can clear a beefy aura board before Jeanne comes down. Primarily SB rune & Ramp Dragon but Ramp is not a real presence on the ladder right now.
gritty anvil
i have feeling ramp dragon gonna be really good in meta
but maybe thats cope
like neptune and filene are both really good
that aoe spell aswell
we havent seen second dragon lego right
ramp dragon now should not die randomly to early game pressure
thats the biggest problem of current ramp u get roll over early
because u didnt draw enough early game
and they also missing one more ramp thats also kinda issue like good ramp card
umbral seal
but maybe thats cope
They have shown good cards but no ramp, so yes, this is giga cope.
Believe me, I want ramp to be good but the problem is they literally don't have enough ramp
gritty anvil
well there gonna be like 99% some silver or bronze that give orb
umbral seal
I keep saying this because it's absolutely vital for ramp to function
umbral seal
well there gonna be like 99% some silver or bronze that give orb
I'm not assuming this until I see it
gritty anvil
maybe even lego
umbral seal
And you should do the same
umbral seal
Disappointing but unsurprising. I will wait and see
fading echo
man fuck these sword players 1 card fill the entire board with bullshit
i'm gonna play the most control bitch artifact meta possible fuck everyone 
umbral seal
Artifact portal really doesn't beat sword, though. I've played that match-up both ways in Master; it's sword favored. Not by a lot, though.
fading echo
feels like it doesn't beat anyone there's games where every turn anything i play just gets wiped for free
umbral seal
Like the portal player can win but generally, their board wipes can't keep up with sword's board refills
It's going to be more sword favored once Yurius is released.
cursive crypt
Really? Even the list that runs the cannon?
umbral seal
I've been saying Sword doesn't auto-lose to board clears from week 1, literally.
How y'all are still debating this is a mystery.
The cannon list helps, but it's still not Portal favored.
Playing around 3 damage AoE is also not that difficult and the Portal player can only do it so many times without hard dropping their 5 cost artifact, which significantly delays their win con. And their damage potential with Orchis is limited since it's not a full Puppet list with cards like Noah that boost the damage potential of Orchis on turn 8 or Lancer for turn 9 Orchis (11 damage, 12 if the enhanced puppet is buffed)
fading echo
it's so fucking hard to win with artifact now
people just freaked out about it so much everyone and their mom just plays counter decks
cursive crypt
No I'm not saying sword auto loses, I'm just not convinced it's favoured unless u draw 3 amalias or the Amelia+mage combo
umbral seal
people just freaked out about it so much everyone and their mom just plays count...
Correct. Which is why I was telling axanael that complaining about Portal now is just week 1 shit
umbral seal
No I'm not saying sword auto loses, I'm just not convinced it's favoured unless ...
You don't even need that. Also not unlikely you draw into them considering Sword lists run 3 of all of these. And also, Sword in general has a lot of board refills Portal cannot keep up with
fading echo
all the way to turn 10 versus haven and nothing survived to get back to me after my turn
miracle win on a sword player
just have to throw my wincons away to tilt him early
umbral seal
Can't afford to play greedy vs sword
fading echo
can't afford to play for anything beyond the current turn
otherwise they pull the board wipe 12 damage to the face legendary
just play every turn like it's your last
gritty anvil
it's so fucking hard to win with artifact now
im farming artifacts with abyss rn pretty much
i only really lose if they have complete nuts and i brick
i could have had 10 games winstreak if i didnt misplay vs haven well i would prolly still died to second griffon
i was 1 dmg off killing it
fading echo
the power of game launch misinformation everyone going crazy about abyss being bad too
gritty anvil
well abyss wasnt fully explored at start
umbral seal
the power of game launch misinformation everyone going crazy about abyss being b...
Well, I wouldn't say it was misinformation. It was that everyone was trying to play aggro abyss, which is actually bad.
Midrange/control is not.
gritty anvil
also we needed to wait till meta settled down now we know its good
umbral seal
Also, the viable abyss decks are very expensive
That was another contributing factor
gritty anvil
ye
3 olivia 3 medusas 3 cerbs
3 aragavy
well olivia can be 2 but u should run 3
fading echo
yeah i feel the correct tier list it's rune>forest>sword>portal=dragon=abyss=haven
gritty anvil
no
dragon is bottom tier
its the worst deck
not even aggro dragon is really good
its too inconsistent
umbral seal
Rune is definitely not above Forest but it's close.
fading echo
it's just one of those decks either you win or you brick
gritty anvil
forest is all about who piloting it but in general forest should be best
fading echo
that's why i rated it lower than rune
rune gets actually carried by the legendaries
fading echo
i think no because of forest having the brain check
rune it's just get to turn 5 and play legendaries until you win
umbral seal
Again, my own personal tier list:
S+: Forest
S: Midrange Sword, SB Rune, Control/Midrange Abyss
A: Hybrid Artifact, Puppet Portal, Storm Haven, Face Dragon
B: Heal Haven, Ramp Dragon
gritty anvil
forest would be most played deck if it wasnt hard to pilot
because its by far cheapest
gritty anvil
u mean diamond
umbral seal
It's a noob stomper, unironically
gritty anvil
not master
umbral seal
Master rank, regardless of mmr
Whether it's ruby, sapphire or diamond
Portal is not that great
gritty anvil
ye at first portal looked unbeatable but now its really not that hard to beat it
umbral seal
Like it's still a great deck that can roll you over
But it has bad match-ups against everyone I listed above it
fading echo
portal has no board power 90% of the minions are low hp trash that gets wiped every turn
so if your deck has control it just wins
gritty anvil
its about ppl know how to play around 3 aoe dmg artifacts
and if they going too much face u just heal
fading echo
i finally figured out why people run two cannons even though it bricks orchis and ralmia
it's because you get dogshit boards as portal
gritty anvil
but sylvia can save u if u behind
fading echo
not really sometimes she just puts you out of lethal range
she doesn't have storm so my sylvias always die before i can use them on my turn to hit face
zdps
gritty anvil
lol sylvia isnt for hitting face
umbral seal
Sylvia is a great card but if you're using super evo on her to stabilize, you're probably delaying your own means of winning
Evo on her is fine
While her super evo is also good, you ideally don't want to do that unless you have to
fading echo
lol sylvia isnt for hitting face
yeah but she's 6 mana that's gonna eat up your turn and be dead next turn so you gotta deal with whatever they put down and super evolved to kill her
and she's eating your evolves from orchis if you use the supers on her
gritty anvil
thats why u heal and not draw if u dying
fading echo
she's actually bricking you too
umbral seal
Yeah, I'm not on board with downplaying Sylvia, what is this take 
fading echo
i wrote that thinking about the heal
the draw is only an option if you're ahead and if you're already ahead you're not gonna play her anyway
gritty anvil
the thing is artifact doesnt really need to evo orchis to win they can still win through ralmias and gundam
its not like pure puppets
where u must evo orchis or u kinda cooked
but i dont play artifact portal i cant really tell u exactly how good it is or not its just from observing from my games and puppets i played i should try tho i have 3 ralmia 3 orchis all golds
fading echo
ralmia is possible but i don't think gundam is a real wincon
fading echo
it's too tricky to pull off and you gotta survive to turn 10 after people start dropping kuons and roaches
gritty anvil
thats is why u need to know
how to push face with artifacts
u can do it through face dmg ones or orchis
until u get them low enough u kill them with gundam
fading echo
yeah but you can't just go for the face damage ones and let the enemy board go crazy
gritty anvil
of course not
fading echo
80% of the time you're forced to build the aoe to deal with it
gritty anvil
well but u know gundam have also aoe
sometimes its fine to just drop gundam and hit face even if it dont kill and leave them on 1 u finnish them off with double 3 dmg artifacts
for example
gritty anvil
well yes
fading echo
or 3 albertos
gritty anvil
but artifacts can also heal
fading echo
or 3 jeannes
gritty anvil
thats the kill about portal artifact
fading echo
fading echo
it's more about the enemy knowing how to deal with it more than you
gritty anvil
because for example u create artifact u dont need atm
and u fucked
because u didnt created aoe one
instead
fading echo
yeah but even creating them you still gotta wait for the spell or the minion that summons them
if you just drop them there goes the gundam
gritty anvil
u need to observe how they play if they are too aggresive hitting too much face but not going too much wide on board u use healing ones if they going full board control u keep wiping their board and if they are behind u keep pushing them with face dmg ones
umbral seal
ralmia is possible but i don't think gundam is a real wincon
It is a real win con. But it can be played around. Not all the time but it's not a threat you can ignore.
fading echo
that's why the deck sucks too because it's just sylvia, those two 5 cost cards and the 8 cost legendaries
everything else sucks
gritty anvil
artifact portal actually doesnt seem that easy to pilot aswell its def not braindead deck its not like forest but u def need to think about it
about your plays
also never create your artifacts ahead
u need to know what opnent doing first
fading echo
that's why you just auto lose to control decks
gritty anvil
only fuse if your hand is full
or for canon
and wait how oponent plays and based on that u start fusing artifacts u need to beat them
gritty anvil
that's why you just auto lose to control decks
lol thats not always the case
u def dont auto lose
umbral seal
It's not an auto loss but it can be difficult
gritty anvil
ye sure it can
umbral seal
But yeah, every time I play portal in Master, I drop from diamond to ruby
umbral seal
And while I think the deck isn't that hard to pilot, I don't think there are significant improvements to my game that can change that
umbral seal
really ?
Yep. The only thing that brings me back to diamond is sword
Which explains my ratings
gritty anvil
well one thing is for sure artifact portal gonna have even harder time next set
unless they got something nasty
zwei is very mid for portal
its decent card
but far from broken
and its not even artifact card
cursive crypt
bruh this guy was dead 3 turns ago if i drew one of my two lapis
cursive crypt
no im still in it 
all my card draw and lapis on the bottom of the deck
also 0 vessel
umbral seal
Playing ramp ain't even fun because there's just not enough ramp
cursive crypt
the problem with ramp is ur not ramping for anything lol
umbral seal
Well, no, the bigger problem is there's not enough ramp to ramp consistently
If there was enough ramp to ramp consistently, you could just do what dragon used to do before Bahamut existed, which was ramping to an early cocytus
And then eventually, Ramp got access to bigger bombs like Zeus, Israfil, Sahaquiel, etc.
The bombs are not needed first. The ramp is.
Twilight Dragon is almost a better version of Bahamut. Lower stats, one sided board wipe, doesn't get cock blocked by the opponent going wide.
cursive crypt
true i forgot about coc, thats something i suppose
if they can consistently ramp into sevo twilight drake into a coc the deck might actually be B tier
cursive crypt
B is too high for current ramp dargon
its as inconsistent as haven while having less reliable wincon
umbral seal
You can win with it but it's unreliable against good players unless you draw incredibly well.
umbral seal
Again, my own personal tier list:
S+: Forest
S: Midrange Sword, SB Rune, Contro...
Obviously bottom tier but I'm not going to go from A to F even if that's what I think of Ramp Dragon's current strength
Makes no logical sense.
cursive crypt
yeah solid list, i guess mine would just be a bit more nitpicky and spread them out even more cause i would put storm haven and face dragon a tier below and abyss in A
portal is only S tier if they manage to draw 2 orchis every game
umbral seal
I upgraded Abyss from A to S because they have good match ups against everything considered top tier except Forest. Sword is slightly unfavorable for Abyss but not by much.
Portal, for a lot of people, felt S tier in week 1 but that just isn't the case anymore.
I think hybrid rune will be a considerable presence on the ladder next expansion. Hybrid meaning it's mostly dirt with A&G and Kuon in the deck
cursive crypt
portal is just frustrating to play vs at times cause if they draw 2 alouette into orchis or 2 orchis you just die for free and theres almost nothing you can do
umbral seal
I've won games vs back to back Orchis and lost games doing the same. Super evo turns feel like the person to do it first tends to lose, more often than not. Unless you're setting it up for lethal next turn.
cursive crypt
i havent seen any of the neew rune cards
i've only seen the earth gite gold spell and it is trash
umbral seal
Definitely not trash but the actual dirt rite effect is not feasible in a real games. It'll just be 2 mana, draw 1 in most situations
fading echo
I've won games vs back to back Orchis and lost games doing the same. Super evo t...
orchis is less face damage than alberto 
and if they have shit on the table you don't even get full face damage because you gotta clear stuff
cursive crypt
well the only way to win vs back to back orchis is to have a god hand yourself
im not saying its impossible but you would lose 80% of the time to that
umbral seal
orchis is less face damage than alberto <:Shrugeg:854063566058815528>
In a hybrid list, yes. In a puppet list, not always. Also, a lot of y'all vastly underestimate how significant it is if something is 1 mana cheaper
Orchis is also more versatile in what she can do
fading echo
if orchis herself had storm yeah she would be strong but she's just another 8 cost legendary they all do the same stuff
cursive crypt
orfchis with storm is crazy bro
umbral seal
I'm not on the "portal is S tier" train but if you're downplaying Orchis, you are absolutely braindead lol.
What is this argument
cursive crypt
u want me to take 16 damage for free
fading echo
what i mean is all the 8 costs have the same impact
cursive crypt
idk about that
garyu isnt remotely close
cerby without setup is way worse as well
umbral seal
Yeah, all costs definitely do not have the same impact. We can go down the list and dissect each one.
Lapis, while a great 8 drop, is sometimes hard to play safely.
cursive crypt
yeah lapis almost always require an evolve point just to play
fading echo
i mean in puppet she's op because all the trash puppets they get to spam
cursive crypt
shes op in artifact as well because she sets up lethal for gundam lol
fading echo
but just by herself she's not even that crazy because she doesn't get to wipe the board and go face at the same time, if you hit the board you deal 0 damage and if you go face you deal just 8 damage pretty much the same a good played kuon/jeanne/cerberus and alberto can do
cursive crypt
not every deck is a sword deck man, they dont go wide that often
most of the time its 7 damage without any extra 0 cost puppet in hand
umbral seal
I don't have the patience to explain why every craft should not have access to the same tools
fading echo
they do though it's just different
for forest it's bayle roach combos
for rune it's william
i guess dragon is fucked but i don't play it
cursive crypt
If forest plays a bayle you are most likely already dead though so that doesn't matter
With William u still push 8 damage 🤷♂️
fading echo
switched to my puppet deck and i'm making a artifact guy suffer the pain of fighting puppet 
lil bro super evolved the 2/2
missplayed because i didn't know this guy needed evolve i thought it was just fanfare effect and still won anyway even though 2 orchis and 1 ralmia 
blissful olive
2 cannons is evil
umbral seal
He didn't even draw Sylvia. Somehow
Tell me what's wrong with this picture
Compare card advantage
That's his 3rd Ralmia btw
blissful olive
They having a bad day lol
blissful olive
How do you think sword is going to go versus the ward deck next week?
umbral seal
Hard to say. I think Ward Haven will be very good and Sword doesn't have a clean answer to Wilbert -> Aether
However, Sword does put down significant board pressure much earlier than Haven
If the Haven player has Salefa, Wilbert, Aether, Jeanne all in a row, it will be an uphill battle for Sword.
Or any deck, really
wild gale
How do you think sword is going to go versus the ward deck next week?
We r fucked
umbral seal
Nah, that's being hyperbolic
wild gale
I think we use Olivia
umbral seal
The deck will be strong but it's hard to tell if it'll be favored against Sword
I already use Olivia
I said day 1 that she'd see play in a lot of decks
umbral seal
Well, not necessarily. Jeanne is strong but we have Amelia combos for that (which does get countered by vessel).
And letting Jeanne buff one follower is not an instant loss
umbral seal
But if she gets too much value, it is
warped granite
Man I'm still (reasonably) enjoying the meta, first expansion might have come too soon
blissful olive
Well u got 4 days lol
warped granite
I'm not really thinking any new decks though
blissful olive
Im still in the same.voat i think
warped granite
Saving my brainpower juice
blissful olive
Wardbert abyss maybe dragon
warped granite
Or I'll just netdeck
blissful olive
Yeah
warped granite
First craft is 3 Odins for face drag
blissful olive
I net deck for an example then i tweak it
warped granite
blissful olive
I'm just praying to God I get lucky on my packs I have like 40 to open
warped granite
I just learnt someone played face dragon and hanging out on masters diamond guy's insane
Can't even stay diamond though, the deck has limits
blissful olive
Face Dragon also needs a good amount of luck
So far doesn't look like there's more discard support though
warped granite
Probably one of the best times to play face now with forests running around
cursive crypt
Idk as strong as forest is I just don't see them that often
blissful olive
I might start running holy Shield Maiden next week
blissful olive
The deck I see the most now at least at my rank mid-range sword
warped granite
Idk as strong as forest is I just don't see them that often
Pretenders in A rank like to play forest whenever I touch diamond they're all I face
That, or aggro sword
umbral seal
Forest players, at this point, are in the highest ranks
blissful olive
Forest is fun but I don't ever see myself maining it
warped granite
Sucks to play on phone ngl
blissful olive
Yeah i dont play on phone at all
cursive crypt
Wdym I'm just hanging out in sapphire diamond and I really don't see that many of them
blissful olive
In master he mean ig
warped granite
Maybe it's the timing too
warped granite
I'm testing the earth rune splash version of rune, slightly better vs aggro methinks
cursive crypt
Yeah before Anne grea u can just do 10 damage to them unless their hand is perfect
blissful olive
It is
Dirt has some good stuff just it enough on its own
Not
That 1 girl that evo for 2 rites is hella good
And the one that makea guardians golems
warped granite
The Ruby + 1 draw earth rite girl is p good
She won me my last game by giving me Satan kek
blissful olive
Ye
cursive crypt
no spellboost no play
warped granite
All of these discussions are irrelevant in 4 days though excited but we all know there will be cancers
umbral seal
Cancer is just anything a card game player doesn't like in that moment
Could be a low tier deck they thought was fun in the previous patch. Soon as it's popular, it's "cancer"
wild gale
Did grand prix final stage open yet
warped granite
Could be a low tier deck they thought was fun in the previous patch. Soon as it'...
From the limited cards we saw, ward haven is geared up to be the next 'cancer'
But it'll be different when we see the full list I bet
umbral seal
My prediction of Ward Haven being S tier is entirely dependent on how much SB rune & ramp dragon is on the ladder
warped granite
Cancer is just anything a card game player doesn't like in that moment
I didn't remember HS community this 'vocal' back in the days ngl, maybe I was looking with rose tinted glasses
umbral seal
Because they have clean answers to wilbert -> aether
wild gale
What's the best way to counter ward haven?
warped granite
Last 2 games I played, SV and pokemon pocket both have very let's say cathartic release Reddit posts
umbral seal
What's the best way to counter ward haven?
You're asking that way too early
warped granite
What's the best way to counter ward haven?
See how later lor
umbral seal
If Dragon gets more ramp, I will play it on season start
If not, I'm not even bothering
Wanna go back to the days of every neutral legendary being a dragon legendary
cursive crypt
they arent revealing any discard cards for dragon so im sure ramp will get more support
fiery pulsar
umbral seal
He drew over half his deck. He was not winning that game.
mystic tartan
Not another lloyd
Heartfelt Bond
6-Cost Portalcraft Spell
Summon a copy of Lloyd and Victoria
///
Victoria
Puppetry (Token)
Rush
Follower Strike: Deal X damage to the opposing follower, X is this follower attack.
cursive crypt
wait lloyd doesnt have bane without orchis right?
if so then this card is kinda meh
chilly viper
don't think he has bane
wild gale
Victoria is the scary one
cursive crypt
I mean, Apollo clears her
wild gale
She can sacrifice herself to kill 2 wards before she goes though
I think that's how portal players will use her against decks that run apollo
cursive crypt
She can attack twice?
wild gale
cursive crypt
How she gonna clear 2
Again though, that card is probably gonna be played because it doesn't require evo and puppet portal kinda lacks cards to play on turn 4-7
gritty anvil
hmm taht spell prolly gonna be run in puppets
man if victoria survive it slam your face for 6
umbral seal
Followers almost never survive a turn while evos are on the table
true abyss
Any helpers, use aggro and kill me 5 times asap
mystic tartan
Yo
Lets do it
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true abyss
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mystic tartan
@true abyss just kill me
mystic tartan
ok u hit me
true abyss
Okay logging in, 2 mins
mystic tartan
I was making food for costumer kek
cursive crypt
i can help u before i log out if u need a couple more games
true abyss
<@355071343005532160> bro I got to go
It's aight ty
true abyss
i can help u before i log out if u need a couple more games
Ye, I need 2 more
cursive crypt
Ye, I need 2 more
gimme id
cursive crypt
wait u can finish daily quests wintrading with friends wtf
true abyss
wait u can finish daily quests wintrading with friends wtf
Also 1 min, game lagging, restarting
cursive crypt
@true abyss ok
bruih how did this guy get into my game
i set it for just friends
warped granite
I was making food for costumer kek
You're the weeb version of meatball seller playing mobile legend
true abyss
Gg thanks @cursive crypt
cursive crypt
np bro
true abyss
Holy shit the worst pack ever
mystic tartan
Holy shit the worst pack ever
Classic
gritty anvil
so far puppets got 2 really good removals which is nice i guess
blissful olive
bruh
gritty anvil
lol
gritty anvil
thats crazy u actually had time to play rose queen without dying
cursive crypt
some puppet players are obsessed with doing nothing but clearing
gritty anvil
lol
primal isle
fun in topaz
gritty anvil
ye in diamond or sapphire
cursive crypt
he prolly did nothing and so he can drop queen for free
mystic tartan
Kik
gritty anvil
u propably would never had chance to play her
gritty anvil
well
lapis is one turn earlier
also haven is more defensive
naturally
more heals wards
cursive crypt
maybe he runs that 8pp lion
gritty anvil
lmao
cursive crypt
that heals for 9
gritty anvil
that thing is really bad
cursive crypt
gritty anvil
actually lapis might be even more viable in ward haven than before but it really depends if odin is all over the meta shes not really playable
its possible to still kill her off with your vesel or sacing her with normal evo
blissful olive
ppl will run at least 1 in every deck i bet
blissful olive
wat
cursive crypt
forest lego that turns something to fairy
cursive crypt
odin is kinda good vs vessel too
gritty anvil
odin is kinda good vs vessel too
true
its good trade off
6 cost for 7 cost
and u create body aswell
also wilbert
deadge
odin is super good vs haven in general
blissful olive
ye
gritty anvil
honestly even destroy dark haven
is not terrible
but
its cheap amulet
4/4 falcon destroying is ok value
if oponent really needs card draw u can even banish that
do u think odin is worth using on crypt ?
or bonemacner
cursive crypt
blocks 6 damage so why not
blissful olive
if its on the field turn 7 then yes
gritty anvil
btw how puppets deal with aether ?
they just fucked no ?
they cant even play orchis
on that turn
silvia cant
u just need bunch of 1 3/3 puppets
zwei + 2 3/3 puppets
warped granite
Yeah bane and storm is from orchis
mystic tartan
Hnikar and Jafnhar, Thunder and Flame
2-Cost Neutral Follower
Enhance (5) - Evolve this follower.
Last Words: If this follower is evolved, deal 4 damage to a random enemy follower.
mystic tartan
Fennie, Magnificent Phoenix
8-Cost Dragoncraft Follower
Fanfare: Halve the cost of all cards in your deck.
@umbral seal good ??
wild gale
Fennie, Magnificent Phoenix
8-Cost Dragoncraft Follower
Fanfare: Halve the cost...
Mein gottem
mystic tartan
kik
wild gale
This card is
Kinda mid
There's no way for dragoncraft to redraw their deck like runecraft
+weak stat lines against other stronger classes
It's supposed to be paired with that cost subtracting card
But I low key feel like you can just setup for cock
gritty anvil
Fennie, Magnificent Phoenix
8-Cost Dragoncraft Follower
Fanfare: Halve the cost...
that could be potentially cracked af
but its 8 pp do nothing
gritty anvil
u also need to draw a lot after u play this to get value
well maybe its actually going to be viable who knows
lone agate
Fennie, Magnificent Phoenix
8-Cost Dragoncraft Follower
Fanfare: Halve the cost...
isnt this kinda late
its cool but the point of ramp is getting that ramp extra mana earlier than turn 8
or im getting the deck wrong 
did they reveal any other ramp card
cursive crypt
3 cost 3/3 ward with an upside? Bruh
gritty anvil
ye
that evo effect
is also pretty damn strong
high chance u draw your greas and kuons
or even cockytus
cursive crypt
That's legit Sylvia tier if not better
gritty anvil
surely spellboost needs more stuff
clueless
well there gonna be some cases where this does nothing
if u remove it with spell
but on 3
cursive crypt
Guaranteed William/kuon/grea
gritty anvil
not many decks can do it
haven
actually no
there is many decks
valse
may
portal removal
cursive crypt
Spellboost procs on clash so it might spellboost twice
gritty anvil
ye but it might just spellboost 0 or once
or 3 times
kek
or more
on average this spellboost 1 times
atleast
gritty anvil
lol
well just wait
till we see more shit
i actually like that 8 cost 4/4 that halve your deck
i can see it working actually
u do neptune at 7
cursive crypt
Nah that's garbage
gritty anvil
make huge board
cursive crypt
Highroll card
cursive crypt
Dragon doesn't even have that much card draws to use it effectively
gritty anvil
its less bricky than cockytus deck
cursive crypt
U gonna sevo twilight drake?
gritty anvil
Dragon doesn't even have that much card draws to use it effectively
3 olivia 3 that spell forget name
twilight dragons
u can run maybe seraphic but i dont know
dingdongs
cursive crypt
Need at least one more ramp card though
cursive crypt
Or it's still gonna mean nothing
gritty anvil
i hope they get one more ramp card
good one
but dragon is now highly unpredictable
u can do some crazy combos
depends what u draw
double genesis
lmao
cursive crypt
If there's a shitty ramp card that draws or is cheap enough with shit stats it'd be ok
gritty anvil
olivia is now super value in dragon its like 2 cost now if u halved her
play for 4 restore 2
and u draw into more cheap shit
cursive crypt
U still might just die or have a hard time playing the 8pp card
gritty anvil
but again u still need early game
cursive crypt
Even after ramping
gritty anvil
U still might just die or have a hard time playing the 8pp card <:Shrugeg:854063...
ye thats the problem
if they go too wide
u cant really play it
cursive crypt
Even right now playing lapis is so hard, some games u just need to stabilize super hard before getting to play her
And almost always require evo or sevo
cursive crypt
Just to trade with whatever unit they have
cursive crypt
That aoe spell kinda sucks too lol, it doesn't clear shit man
gritty anvil
holy shit
u play one second one is for 4
u play that one and everything gonna cost like 1-3 in entire deck max
cursive crypt
I'm telling you that spell does nothing most games lol
cursive crypt
6 cost 3 aoe
cursive crypt
Vs abyss it doesn't clear bonemancers or any evolved unit
gritty anvil
but ye they can play around it
it does if u make filene 0 cost
and play her with it
but u discounting filene and not that 8 cost
and u prolly not gonna be in overflow aswell maybe
that would suck ass
cursive crypt
I'm just not impressed with the mana reduction package dragon got, I think it's weak or too high roll dependent
gritty anvil
well i mean if nothing filene and neptune are good cards
cursive crypt
Yeah those 2 are way more playable
You would see 3 aoe just doesn't do shit after turn 5 unless u are vs sword
cursive crypt
Forest don't care if you clear their 1/1 fairies lol
wild gale
Damn the one thing runecraft is lacking are good cards
gritty anvil
u cant let them go face
wild gale
This will help balance it out
cursive crypt
Even with feather fall I need to trade the bird into something to help clear 90% of the time
true abyss
Yo my rune deck is getting new cards pog
wild gale
I love rune can now draw more Anne and kuons
cursive crypt
Imo roach will go down a tier or two next patch
true abyss
Damn the one thing runecraft is lacking are good cards
Drew, most of the time I don't think I get proper evo targets
gritty anvil
maybe ye
true abyss
cursive crypt
Cause of wards and more wide boards
gritty anvil
Imo roach will go down a tier or two next patch
they might still get some nutty card
cursive crypt
Forest has a hard time dealing with wide boards without evolving glade
gritty anvil
like i said what if they get follower or spell that turns everyone hp to 1
cursive crypt
Or spending bayles
true abyss
Saw this roach game today
cursive crypt
Yea that ain't happening
wild gale
Roach gets fucked by the new swordcraft card
cursive crypt
Saw this roach game today <:KEK:831007857204789278>
What a noob he drew whole deck vs afk ramp and didn't kill them
true abyss
What a noob he drew whole deck vs afk ramp and didn't kill them
The ramper also fucked up alot
wild gale
The ramper also fucked up alot <:KEK:831007857204789278>
We can tell by the fact that he needed to draw all his cards smh
Roach lies in lethal potential it can't keep up otherwise
cursive crypt
Not killing by turn 9 is crazy bro especially when ur opponent does nothing
This card is broken no?
Probably suits storm haven better but lapis is dead
hazy lily
anyone up for a match for weekly
gritty anvil
This card is broken no?
i dont think its broken
but roach is completely unplayable now
vs haven
i feel like
now roach cant even chip down haven
realistically
if they gonna be too low they play this
and they stabilize over these 2 turns
and build wall
chilly viper
roach downfall needs to be studied
gritty anvil
Probably suits storm haven better but lapis is dead
oh u mean storm haven completely gonna ignore face dmg of oponent and just keep going face and heal back with this ?
hazy lily
@chilly viper one match onegai
hazy lily
yeah sure
chilly viper
u bring sword?
chilly viper
pass and slap
hazy lily
instead of a real match
chilly viper
i will skip
chilly viper
yeh
yoroshiku
wait what the
is this the new set?
why i have never heard of penelope before
hazy lily
lmao because no one except me plays dirt
hazy lily
i would never
chilly viper
u had lethal with evo man
hazy lily
ik
hazy lily
one more?
chilly viper
suree
hazy lily
that was unsatisfying
chilly viper
yea i need to revamp my deck
it's too shit
what are these cards that you play, i have never heard of them
apprentice astrologer
hazy lily
inb4 chalice
chilly viper
good game lol
chilly viper
i didn't know durt was good
hazy lily
it isnt
its dogshit
maybe works against late game focused decks if you're lucky
but thats it
chilly viper
hmm
hazy lily
vials 💯
chilly viper
i guess it's alright, i don't play any of the race there
chilly viper
cooked
hazy lily
if they dont curve good you can stall till salefa at least
that can fuck sword pretty good
chilly viper
stalling till salefa means i have to endure 3-4 rounds of torture
very rare that they don't do anything turn 3
chilly viper
that turn 4 in our first game, i played a second darkhaven grace to heal
i don't even know what to do
hazy lily
he dead
missed lethal
i'm dumb
shouldve used the amulet before playing jeanne
how do i have enough IQ to breathe
chilly viper
yea sometimes i forget that it gives +2 as well
chilly viper
man
@cursive crypt this is what i meant when i say i run winged statue
this guy tricked me into removing winged statue
hazy lily
oh no sword now
2nd
thats big
welp lost
bad draw
no aoe clears
luminous mage is too broken
without aoe removal
lost a game because some cold call andy was on my door
fffs
umbral seal
<@267522380904136716> good ??
Giga meme.
It's an improvement over this, but still bad.
mystic tartan
hazy lily
was fun tho
ppl just playing boring meta decks
hanged man was fun af
roost was
eternal whale was
true abyss
https://shadowverse-portal.com/card/101432020?lang=en
Let me pay 5 mana to help my opponent
true abyss
Rune vs my rune, i mulligan everything trying to get 1 of my 3 dclimbs, i get 0, enemy had 2 gg
Fun mirror
hazy lily
I CANNOT
puppet portal is unwinable for me
i win against everything else
except puppet