Shadowverse

[gritty anvil]

ye thats true

but its still 2 drop

i guess u can run ruby

instead

[blissful olive]

well

3 mummy 3 orth

[gritty anvil]

thing is about phil there is always that option to evo

[blissful olive]

2 bells for me anyways

[gritty anvil]

also sometimes something is hidden behind wards

amalia

for example

[blissful olive]

its never an issue not having him in abyss

[gritty anvil]

i run 3 bellringers

btw i think abyss needs to run 1 cockytus

because games can drag very long

[blissful olive]

ehhh

[gritty anvil]

and u can deck out

[blissful olive]

u can if u want

[umbral seal]

This is a good card but ramp dragon needs more ramp right now. 6 ramp sources is not viable. They need 9 minimum. 12 ideally.

[blissful olive]

but it is not needed

[gritty anvil]

that card alone would be good enough tbh

also dragon have no 5 drop

atm

[umbral seal]

I have nearly 2k ranked wins on dragon in the og, it's really not

They literally just need ramp

[gritty anvil]

5 mana 3/5 ward that can also remove shit on evo and draw 3 is super good every ramp dragon would run that

well they need also ramp

i agree

[umbral seal]

Again, I'm not saying it's a bad card. But not what it needs to not be bottom tier

[gritty anvil]

but this card would help them a lot too

actually it happen quite a lot i run out of cards

or i have to use evo on twilight

drake

which kinda sucks

[blissful olive]

[gritty anvil]

give dragon aeila

3 mana 2/2 last word gain play point

[umbral seal]

https://shadowverse.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon_Summoner

[gritty anvil]

ye this card is also good

[umbral seal]

This, pure hearted singer and draconic fervor was all i needed in the og

In terms of card draw

[gritty anvil]

oh ye dragonic fervor was amazing

it was 5 mana draw 2 and ramp right ?

oh it also healed u

ye that shit was op

and dragon literally have no 5 drop atm

it would be the best card to get rn

we basically got more scuffed version

way worse

3 mana draw 2 and heal on overflow

i hate that card but we kinda forced to run it

because not enough card draw

[umbral seal]

If that 3 mana spell also ramped, it'd solve a lot of problems

Wanna go back to the days where half my deck was over 5 mana but it didn't matter

[blissful olive]

what was that 5 mana card

ramped and healed 3

or am i thinking of another game

[umbral seal]

Sibyl and Draconic Fervor

https://shadowverse.fandom.com/wiki/Draconic_Fervor

[gritty anvil]

wait if something is reanimate 4 it means only 4 get reanimated ?

not less ?

[umbral seal]

https://shadowverse.fandom.com/wiki/Sibyl_of_the_Waterwyrm

[gritty anvil]

i know these cards

i played a lot during it

dragon especially

[umbral seal]

Reanimate 4 means it'll reanimate the highest cost follower up to 4 pp. If there's more than one candidate at 4 pp, it's rng. If there's no 4 pp candidate, it chooses the next highest to reanimate

[gritty anvil]

oh so it cant reanimate 3 cost

or lower

[umbral seal]

If there's already a 4 cost to revive, yes

[gritty anvil]

i want to try cutting mukan and run 2 yuna and 2 ceres on 2 jugglers

[umbral seal]

I've seen someone do the yuna/juggler combo. It's very annoying

[gritty anvil]

ye its a lot of stats

and u get last word from it aswell

mukan reanimted isnt that great

oh bat can screw your cerberus right

hmm

[umbral seal]

The biggest issue with Mukan is if you're running him, you have less shadow fuel for Cerb & Mummy. That's not a good thing

[gritty anvil]

so its better to old it unless u need to heal

hold

[umbral seal]

Just don't play the bat

[gritty anvil]

ye

mukan alone cant even remove orchis

well most stuff cant

tbh

from abysscraft

medusa

[umbral seal]

Well, Abyss already has plenty of ways to efficiently clear Orchis so that's not really an issue imo

[gritty anvil]

thats the thing there isnt much stuff they can remove orchis unless its 2 cards combo

cerb and medusa can

as solo card

man olivia into bat stops any aggro pretty much

its heal for 6

[umbral seal]

Cerb & Medusa are 8 and 7 pp respectively. I don't think it's that big of an issue needing more than 1 card of a lower cost to remove her.

[gritty anvil]

and they need to remove bat

[umbral seal]

It's like the argument of how you need an evo on Phildau to remove an undamaged Anne & Grea, when you're simply trading evos of a 5 pp follower with a 2 pp follower

[blissful olive]

bro just end me

[umbral seal]

That's a tempo win for the Phildau player

[blissful olive]

muligan into worse

games been pretty horse shit 2 day fr

might have 2 play puppets for like an hour

brother

taking like 5 minutes each turn

like you have to think about this shit

took ya almost 2 mins to figure out drawing 2 cards is 3 mana congrats

[gritty anvil]

man abysscraft control is so fun

well midrange

it has also chance vs any deck

its not like u instantly lose

some match ups

[blissful olive]

its only really concerning vs forest and sword

anything else its pretty good

[gritty anvil]

u can still beat it

[blissful olive]

sure

but its ur worst MU's

[gritty anvil]

i dont think so

its still 50/50

[blissful olive]

what

aight sure lol

[gritty anvil]

it is

atleats my decklist

[blissful olive]

ok

[gritty anvil]

it really is

[umbral seal]

It's definitely not 50/50 vs forest, that's a losing match-up, even if your list runs Yuna.

[gritty anvil]

if u setup 2 amulets

and cerb on 8

and push some early damage

and that deck also heals a lot

[blissful olive]

oh brother

[umbral seal]

Healing is irrelevant when Forest has several routes to an OTK

Again, that's why some lists run Yuna

[blissful olive]

fuck the otk

u can out pace abyss so fast on forest if u want 2

[gritty anvil]

bro

u dont die at 20 hp

at turn 8

[blissful olive]

at turn 8 ur not 20 hp

[gritty anvil]

yes iam

i have heals

in deck

and apollo

[blissful olive]

oh brother

https://tenor.com/view/look-at-him-efe-omowale-assisted-living-he-look-so-funny-haha-gif-7078505333145405761

[gritty anvil]

what

its def winnable

what u mean

[blissful olive]

who said it isnt

[umbral seal]

Winnable and "50/50" is a massive world of difference, lol.

Yes, the match-up is very winnable. It's still forest favored

[gritty anvil]

ok maybe like 40/60 but thats still good

[blissful olive]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-lol-slam-table-anime-cute-gif-17848238

[gritty anvil]

if u lower on that winrate its skill issues

[blissful olive]

please start ur stand up comedy tour

this is gold man

[gritty anvil]

nevia what mmr are u

[blissful olive]

how tf would i know

[gritty anvil]

what ?

its easy to know

its literally at your name when u ranking up

emerald topaz ruby sapphire diamond

[molten root]

brother forest clear abyss you like win if the opp either messes up or just unlucky

that matchup is so depressing to even play

[blissful olive]

then id be sapp

[gritty anvil]

well in his elo

he can win

[blissful olive]

and mmr doesnt matter here i know u tried to do some dumbass argument lol

[gritty anvil]

well if u facing diamond forest players thats different story but in like ruby sapphire it can be def 40/60

[blissful olive]

forest isnt a bad match up its actually 50/50 wait no more like 40 /60 actually its a skill issue abyss top tier frfr

stop lmao

this is in ur head man lol

next ur gonna say abyss is favored vs sword

[molten root]

i call my abyss deck abysad for a reason

[gritty anvil]

ok so explain me why im beating forest players

in ruby

[blissful olive]

because u can

[gritty anvil]

not always but i do beat them its def feels 50/50

for me

[blissful olive]

what retard take is this

[gritty anvil]

???

why u acting like its impossible

[blissful olive]

just because something is a bad MU doesnt mean u cant win but acting like thats what we said

stop it

ur being stupid lol

[gritty anvil]

i said from start u can win but u kept acting like its not possible

[blissful olive]

i said bad MU u dumbass lol

fuck lmao

[blissful olive]

bad MU means 100% lose rate i guess sorry

slightly unfavored match up

oppsie whoopsie gameplay u can win king

[gritty anvil]

but the way u were saying its like u cant win vs forest

[blissful olive]

stop being retarded

we said

bad match up

not u cant win

u are in ur own head

[gritty anvil]

stop calling me retarded or i tell u mods

[blissful olive]

well stop acting like it

nobody said this

u are making it up in ur fantasy land

[gritty anvil]

u call me retard for no reason if im right

[blissful olive]

right about what theres no argument u idiot

we said bad mu

u said we said u cant win

?????????

[gritty anvil]

just because u are bad at game doesnt mean its not winnable

[blissful olive]

see what i mean

about ur fantasy land

scroll up show me or anyone who said YOU CANNOT WIN VS FOREST

i will send u 1000 dollars rn

if u cant do that stop acting fucking stupid

[gritty anvil]

u dont believe me its 40/60

[blissful olive]

i never even spoke about that the only thing i said is its a bad match up

[molten root]

you both very pretty

now kiss

[blissful olive]

so stop being weird

[gritty anvil]

i though u are cool nevia

well i was wrong

[blissful olive]

are like 12 or what like holy shit lmao

everything u said in last 5 mins is make believe

remember this from a minute ago u cant do it so proceed to be normal thank you

[gritty anvil]

u start laughing at me

when i said its 40/60

match up

[blissful olive]

yes because u were so keen and adamant that its NOT a bad match up

[hazy lily]

i'm down to emerald by playing dirt rune

that much i can tell yall

[gritty anvil]

40/60 is still isnt that terrible if it was like 20/80 or 25/75 30/70 than we can talk its really bad

[blissful olive]

dirt is fine tbh it has good shit in it

but u gotta play hybrid or u trolling

[hazy lily]

its fine early

ramp draw and you get some concedes in

[blissful olive]

are u not running like the other shit 3 grea kuon d shift hades etc

end board should be the same

[hazy lily]

only legi i used was kuon for the most part, but he feels dogshit and too late for that deck

anne works better for me

[blissful olive]

well u run both 100%

[gritty anvil]

also if some ppl play aggresive abysscraft than its really bad match up worse than vs control because that deck have like no heal and dmg their own face

[warped granite]

Alright... Britneys back after topdecking bloody claw with olivia

[molten root]

send that deck skoom

[hazy lily]

why are yall on the abysscraft ship now

[molten root]

i wanna take a look

[hazy lily]

leave my craft alone

[molten root]

always been

[warped granite]

Ok but kinda manage your expectation I doubt it's optimal fits my brainlet playsttle tho

[molten root]

ye i get it mine is like that too

lmao

[blissful olive]

whos ready for bat aggro next week

[molten root]

but i play another deck

wanna try the vision

[blissful olive]

i bet u vampy and ginsex is coming

[blissful olive]

the VA for ginsex is gonna be on that stream apparently

[warped granite]

I netdecked from Jeff hoogland. He's a shite pokemon pocket player but I see the vision with this deck so I use it

[hazy lily]

fuck vampy

[blissful olive]

if u soul pred and it gets a mummy

[hazy lily]

but ginsetsu would be pog

[blissful olive]

does it get storm

err

chaos sorry

[molten root]

[warped granite]

The storm mommy is kinda useful tbh

She's kinda underutilized

[molten root]

i have been doing this

lemme test run yours for few days

[warped granite]

Yours is more midrange the one I use has a more aggro slant

[molten root]

ye

[warped granite]

With no dusa and all

[blissful olive]

@warped granite

if u chaos into a mummy does it get storm or nah

[molten root]

i get bored fast tbf so kinda dont mind playing something else

[molten root]

[warped granite]

Haven't happened and it's one of the things I'm considering to cut tbh

I'll keep an eye out

[gritty anvil]

wow yuna is actually goated

that extra ghost is so strong

with cerb

[hazy lily]

dont tell nevia that shes good

[molten root]

she is good on paper man i tried running her a lot i really just felt like i didnt need her in more situations than i did

[blissful olive]

shes shit

u cant even make an argument for her to be good without saying dont play the bat

[molten root]

i dont see her fitting in for me at least

[gritty anvil]

bat can save ur life vs aggro

olivia into bat

is 6 hp

[warped granite]

I saw a lot of shadowverse wins list starting to use Yuna. Might be worth experimenting for control players

[blissful olive]

if we get bat support and more win cons other than cerb she can be good

[gritty anvil]

or just ealier manual evo

[umbral seal]

At this point, Nevia is the only one arguing that she's bad still. No matter how many times I explain why she isn't.

[blissful olive]

u said

dont play the bat

[umbral seal]

Correct.

[blissful olive]

shit card

next?

[umbral seal]

You're acting like you need to get value out of the bat for her to be good

That is not the case.

Which is why high lvl players run her

You're objectively wrong here

[blissful olive]

yes u need to get value out of cards for them to be good

dont play the bat is insane to say

[umbral seal]

There is more to this one card than the bat. Losing out partial value does not mean you get to ignore the rest of the card

[umbral seal]

It's not. Again, why do you think players, who are better than you, run her?

[blissful olive]

the 1 damage of a ghost isnt worth running this card over a 3rd medusa

[gritty anvil]

ye vs some match ups u dont play bat

so u dont screw your cerberus

[blissful olive]

thats why i said when we get more than 1 win con besides cerb

we can revisit yuna

[umbral seal]

"We" don't need to revisit anything. Again, you are the only one arguing she's bad despite many lists running her now.

[blissful olive]

well those lists suck

[umbral seal]

The only thing that needs to happen is for you to concede this argument, where you're clearly wrong

[warped granite]

https://old.reddit.com/r/Shadowverse/comments/1lu7pbf/jp_players_findings_on_how_the_group_system_works/ might be interesting for y'all btw. No surprising info but just confirming on what we speculated mostly

[blissful olive]

saying dont use half the value of a card is just stupid

[umbral seal]

The bat is not half of the value

Someone else can deal with this dunce

[blissful olive]

yes it is

[umbral seal]

I'm returning to Warframe

[blissful olive]

ghost and a bat

take 1 away thats 50% gone

[molten root]

this deck did well for the most part i just didnt enjoy it as much

[blissful olive]

i would take out soul pred

and yunas for medusas

[molten root]

i dont play this anymore

[molten root]

kinda play this mostly

[gritty anvil]

i really like this list

[blissful olive]

for future tho always run 3 mummy

olivia + mummy is easy 6 damage for free

[gritty anvil]

well but thats more aggresive blood

abyss

they also play razory claw

[blissful olive]

u run that regardless

nothing better than olivia atm anyhow

[molten root]

im not putting cock in my abyss ngl i would actually neck my self before i do that

[gritty anvil]

oh ye i guess i could run mummy and not razory

thats good point

[blissful olive]

yeah hades isnt good

no

u run both

[gritty anvil]

but what to cut out

i have no space

[blissful olive]

mid range aggro w/e u run both

[gritty anvil]

i want to run all these cards

i like mino

[blissful olive]

mino is good u use 3 in almost every list

[gritty anvil]

juggler ?

[blissful olive]

id just cut coc here for sure

and cut soul pred for 3 mummy

[gritty anvil]

nah

soul premodition

i 100% need

i need that card draw engine

[blissful olive]

but i mean i guess it doesnt matter

if thats what u wanna run u dont need deck advice really lol

[gritty anvil]

i mean i do think mummy is good

aswell

[blissful olive]

i will say tho not having mummy is 100% trolling the power of him + olivia is nuts

[gritty anvil]

but i just cant fit it

i could technically cut bellringers

maybe

but again its card draw

and pretty decent evo target aswell

i run cockytus because i dont have 3rd medusa kek

[blissful olive]

u could sub her with

the 6 cost storm card

thats what i did before i got my cards

[molten root]

i agree with the 3 mummy strat

i love them

no matter what happens olivia and mummy clutch it out

[blissful olive]

usually 6 damage for free huge chunk of shit

you fool!

[hazy lily]

anyone up for some matches for the weekly

[gritty anvil]

[blissful olive]

amalia inc

[gritty anvil]

who

i was keep resumoning yuna lol

[blissful olive]

LETS GO GREA

RIGHT BEHIND YOU ANNE

[gritty anvil]

is it normal aggro sword plays apollo ?

[blissful olive]

midrange may run it yeah

[gritty anvil]

that wasnt midrange

that was face

i lost because he played apollo on me in face sword

[blissful olive]

please play kuon so i can win

not a good answer gg lol

[warped granite]

You probably already won barring dshift kuon heals

Yepp

[blissful olive]

if u start with

2 puppeteer's in hand

u like shit so hard on almost everything

this man is out of control

u drop ur 2/2 or w/e to hold the board nope it dies to the 2 puppets now u take 4 to face

its just fucked if u cant deal with it early

[wild gale]

I fucking love forestcraft

[blissful olive]

u would

u pixie lover

[wild gale]

Misplayed a million times

[blissful olive]

[wild gale]

Orchis spammed 2 times

Guess what

Didn't mean jack shit

[blissful olive]

ima run forest for a few now that u mention it

aggro forest is funny

[wild gale]

Roached this mfers all the same

I know this guy pissed as hell

[blissful olive]

holy shit

[wild gale]

[blissful olive]

first rowen i see

[wild gale]

ROWEN NATION

[blissful olive]

hes better than fucking galan tho for sure

but i want forte

ATTENTION

we have a pixie orgy

and their mother is watching

MISTER PRESIDENT

2 FANS HAVE HIT THE FIELD

[wild gale]

Bayle my GOAT

[blissful olive]

hes so fucking good lol

[wild gale]

Man this deck fucking shreds the meta decks

I feel so stupid playing sword all this time

[blissful olive]

sir u are the meta deck

[wild gale]

Now that I have a taste for the power of forest

[blissful olive]

[wild gale]

Precisely

Now I stand on equal footing

[blissful olive]

nice garyu

if only you knew that bayle was gonna do to you

[mystic tartan]

Someone help my park quest

Pls

1 game

[chilly viper]

bro u still on this

[mystic tartan]

Ye

[chilly viper]

is this the weekly or what

or daily

[mystic tartan]

Ye for weekly

[chilly viper]

just spectate 5 games

[mystic tartan]

I need the 1 friend game to complete it

[chilly viper]

huh

i see

[mystic tartan]

or else wait till tomorrow and play in the knockout table which is ass

Its always full

[warped granite]

What, Galan is goat

Who doesn't like kungfu

[gritty anvil]

man i really want cerb this abysscraft leader is annoying

[chilly viper]

the twink or the monster

[gritty anvil]

monster

[chilly viper]

bruh diawl is cool wym

[gritty anvil]

twink is also bad lol

[gritty anvil]

lol

[warped granite]

This guy acknowledges his privilege

[blissful olive]

yo nah

hes fucked up

bro standing in the shadows

glasses on

got a candle

nah man

he not to be trusted

[mystic tartan]

Ore no Kung Fu

[warped granite]

Twinks BM is legendary though

[warped granite]

Ofc that's why he's goated

[wild gale]

I play roachcraft to punish runecraft players

I am filled with great evil

[chilly viper]

stop being cringe and play heal haven

[blissful olive]

fuck haven

i would play haven more of she took that ugly ahh mask off

[warped granite]

Roachcraft is the evilest of them all glad you recognize that

[blissful olive]

what she doing with a gas mask

was she ripping ass in church?

[gritty anvil]

forest palyers in ruby are terrible

[mystic tartan]

Only Time I beat forest as Rune is when they bricked af

[warped granite]

She probably is one of those characters that will break fourth wall

[wild gale]

She's huffing something

[warped granite]

If you listen to her voice line and her lore that she's always looking somewhere far

[blissful olive]

fuck does that mean lol

[gritty anvil]

i actually topdeck cerb lol and win

[blissful olive]

girl on the goofy juice

she really loves the lord

[gritty anvil]

man vs sword mukan would be so nice

[blissful olive]

mukan with amu is quite strong

[cursive crypt]

nahh esperanza is a cutie

[blissful olive]

she is

but take the mask off

she does indeed have a pair of

BREASTS

[mystic tartan]

Wut

[warped granite]

Esperanza is loony for sure she wears a gas mask cos she'll gas you when you walk into a room with her

[blissful olive]

when do we get the bikini leaders

[cursive crypt]

i kinda like how haven leaders just have villainy vibes to them

[warped granite]

Cerby is probably the closest one, but she's also loony

[blissful olive]

cerby is hawt

[warped granite]

Actually all sv leaders are kinda not right in the head

[gritty anvil]

okay after playing many games cocktyus is garbage

i didnt play him single time

there is no time

in abysscraft to play him

[blissful olive]

hes good like when ur out of evo points and its late game

[cursive crypt]

i never like coc

[blissful olive]

suck coc

[cursive crypt]

10pp do nothing turn

[blissful olive]

only reason hes in rune is cause u play him for free basically

[cursive crypt]

yeah

if coc isnt in rune haven would beat that deck 8/10 times actually

[blissful olive]

yeah

[gritty anvil]

i though there gonna be time to play him but never was

[blissful olive]

rune and haven are both slow starts

but rune just wins cause coc d climb

ur done lol

[gritty anvil]

medusa would be milion times better

than him

[cursive crypt]

well the thing is jeanne just counters kuon too hard for haven to do anything

[blissful olive]

they draw the purg demon or the 1 hp shit u just lose as well as the storm card

[cursive crypt]

ye pretty much

[blissful olive]

im honestly dummy tempted to craft 3 kuon rn

but ima wait i only got 30k vials i dont wanna fk myself

[gritty anvil]

cockytus is trully only for dragon and rune

others are way too slow

to play him

[blissful olive]

he can win ya the odd game but its in the same ball park as like

not clearing medusa kinda shit

[gritty anvil]

im tempted to craft third medusa

i really hope abyss gets reanimate 7

that would be funny

6 times medusa

[blissful olive]

if ur low on resources or not sure what to do going into next set

just stick with what u got for now imo

[gritty anvil]

ye im not crafting her

[fiery pulsar]

you dont run 3 med

sadly

[gritty anvil]

i do

well i would

in control / midrange abyss

shes great in portal sword match up

YEES

bro this forest player was weird

he didnt play single roach

entire game

dafuq

and it was like turn 11

or 12

[warped granite]

People are the same everywhere om

[hazy lily]

well tbf

playing against haven takes ages too

swordcraft is boring to play against

and forest is 50/50

[warped granite]

Anyways my dupe anngrea is waiting cygames, nerf them if you must

[hazy lily]

oh and portal we dont even need to mention

shouldve killed the skeletons

pepelaugh

"what can he possible do with those 4 1/1 on his board"

[gritty anvil]

lol met ramp dragon on ladder

[blissful olive]

im about to say slurs

i will no longer say slurs

[gritty anvil]

ok i think i need to play 3 times mukan

3 times yuna and 3 times mukan

is that crazy ?

they have actually synergy

[blissful olive]

u can if u want since u run ghost juggler

[gritty anvil]

holy

[blissful olive]

im guessing they are pure puppet

[gritty anvil]

yes pure puppets

i topdeck cerb lol

my hand was so shit after that

i would actually still lose

he healed back to 12

but i topdeck cerb

[blissful olive]

i had a feeling

cause hybrid shouldnt be having that much trouble

we need to fix this tho

[gritty anvil]

man these ghosts from yuna are so op actually

[blissful olive]

get his man off the screen

[gritty anvil]

i cant

im not whale

[blissful olive]

lowkey id spend 10 bucks to not have him lmao

[gritty anvil]

and i got orchis

as only leader

[blissful olive]

i did that with forest

[gritty anvil]

nah fuck that twink

[blissful olive]

i agree

thats why i got arisa

[gritty anvil]

can i win ?

holy he got demolished

[wild gale]

Diawl my GOAT

I know you guys are not out here slandering

[blissful olive]

i am

fuck him

cerby nation

[gritty anvil]

lol i timed out during trading and still won well it wasnt that bad i cleared most on board

[wild gale]

I want to try shadycraft

[gritty anvil]

another sword down

[wild gale]

Damn I'm out here in c2

[unkempt lava]

Gamers

Help me with the weekly missions

[hazy lily]

havent seen a single dclimb

[wild gale]

Runecraft player L

[hazy lily]

bro

i have every card and i play every deck

[gritty anvil]

ended up with 8 lost to rune

apollo value omegalul

[mystic tartan]

Wut

[mystic tartan]

That Guy play forest

Arguably the most broken deck if u know how to play it

With the right cards

[gritty anvil]

nah i was just saiyng if abyss gets some reanimate card 7 medusa can be op af

imagine dealing with 6 medusas

[mystic tartan]

[cursive crypt]

wdym she can be op af

she already is

i guarantee you if abyss is S tier everyone will complain about medusa

[warped granite]

Medusa is actually broken just wait til they give abyss some more cards

[unkempt lava]

Is it just me or does forest suck

When i play it

[warped granite]

Just need practice

[unkempt lava]

I been hardstuck ruby for a while

[warped granite]

By the way A diamond is infested with aggro sword

I don't think I should play abyss

[gritty anvil]

medusa is great vs rune portal sword pretty much

rest not so much

but they are all meta

[cursive crypt]

huh i just found out you instantly die when you draw an empty deck

[blissful olive]

aint nobody gonna complain about medusa

next week chances are abyss isnt gonna get much stronger my money is were just getting bat support and bat aggro might be a thing

and ginsex MAYBE

[gritty anvil]

lmao i played bat by accident

and summon him and i still won

cerb summon 2 bats lol

[gritty anvil]

how do i beat 3 valses in row

[blissful olive]

i know a way

LETS GO GREA

RIGHT BEHIND YOU ANNE

[gritty anvil]

[mystic tartan]

Diamond cus Sword

[blissful olive]

sword carried by magus and amalia change my mind

[gritty anvil]

i drop back to ruby

[umbral seal]

Told y'all very early on that maintaining diamond isn't easy at higher ranks

[mystic tartan]

LOL NO

ITS CARRIED BY 2ND TURN

TRUE OR TRUE

cus u dont need 5 point

ziconia is 4

[umbral seal]

Magus is nowhere close to being one of the strongest cards in Sword. It is a great card, however.

[mystic tartan]

yeah i agree

but rarely i can play it

need 8 cost too with amelia

also many banes

it is strong against rune tho

[umbral seal]

The strongest sword specific cards are Zirconia, Albert (the class is not playable without him), Amelia & Jeno.

[cursive crypt]

standard midrange sword has no turn 1 or turn 4

[umbral seal]

Amalia doesn't clear super evo'd units as cleanly as Jeno does

[mystic tartan]

Zirconia is insane

[cursive crypt]

but if they go 2nd everything is fixed

[mystic tartan]

i literally kill this mofo dragon cus bro doesnt have board clear

[cursive crypt]

there is a super aggro sword list floating around tho

i think that one is better personally

[mystic tartan]

Zirconia is the reason people play Apollo

[cursive crypt]

u get fucked more by rune though

[umbral seal]

Quickblader lists have a turn 1. Most crafts don't have a good turn 1. Also, not having a turn 1 is irrelevant for overall deck success.

The quickblader lists will feel like they're better when you get rolled by them but they're not.

[gritty anvil]

u basically need to spam top tier decks to stay in diamond consistently rune sword forest portal

[umbral seal]

Yes, I know. Again, I basically said this 1 week in

[gritty anvil]

face dragon i dont think its consistent enough to stay in diamond playing only that deck but i dont know

[cursive crypt]

yeah when i play vs forest 4x in a row i cant play haven anymore its too tilting

[umbral seal]

The #1 face dragon player is not diamond most of the time, so that is correct

[gritty anvil]

i havent been in diamond in forever becasue i dont play these above mention LUL

[gritty anvil]

ah make sense

[umbral seal]

The deck is inherently not consistent

Just fast for climbing

[mystic tartan]

ye

[blissful olive]

face dragon is like just go face win or lose go next ur getting more games in then u normally would

[cursive crypt]

nah i'd say like half and half, but sword's turn 4 is garbage as fuck when you go 1st cause u cant evo zirconia on curve

[gritty anvil]

abyss can catch ppl off guard but once they adapt to it its hard to win i dont know how i get 8 winstreak tho

i hate how face dragon plays

in this game

[cursive crypt]

turn 4 play valse or just play zirconia as 4/4

[gritty anvil]

also face dragon really needs 1 drop

[umbral seal]

Most crafts don't have a good turn 4 when going first, that's not exclusive to sword. There are times when I play nothing turn 4 even if I have playables. Sometimes I just drop fighter or zironia if I have more than one in hand.

[cursive crypt]

only portal and sword the rest of them have an actual card to play on turn 4

[gritty anvil]

funny enough abyss have decent turn 4 play if u evo manually mukan

but its also kinda bad

phil is propably better because it goes always through ward

but its only 2 drop

[cursive crypt]

actually portal has a card to play on turn 4 anyway, portal decks has insane curve

they have a card for every turn

turn 4 coin alouette is just too broken not to do

[mystic tartan]

i rarely meet alouette rn

cus so many portal puppet

its crazy

[cursive crypt]

i only see hybrid deck

[gritty anvil]

puppets pure is garbage kinda ngl

[umbral seal]

Still complaining about portal 3 weeks in is rather weird to me. I don't find them problematic at my rank/mmr.

[gritty anvil]

u need to really highroll

to get win

u need to do orchis into orchis

or u cant win

1 orchis alone doesnt win u game

[cursive crypt]

yeah it feels really bad when they draw 2 orchis whichever archetype they play

[mystic tartan]

2 orchis

[umbral seal]

This is the case in hybrid because they don't run nearly as much draw/cycle. Puppet lists not only have more draw but they run rubies to cycle through their deck.

[mystic tartan]

i also got 2 cereb by some guy

it was awful

[umbral seal]

I also said a week ago that puppets is better than hybrid but y'all don't wanna hear that either.

[gritty anvil]

thats true but their high end power is way lower

[blissful olive]

kek

w

[mystic tartan]

medusa into cereb into cereb

[mystic tartan]

[gritty anvil]

3 ralmia gundam orchis is hard to beat if they keep chaining it

[cursive crypt]

nah hybrid is def better, cause if you draw one orchis you can literally play it and put them on lethal range for the ultimate gundam lol

[gritty anvil]

but ye my abyss doing pretty well vs portal

ngl

[blissful olive]

abyss is good vs portal and rune

[gritty anvil]

i really hope ramp dragon is good next set i would love to play it and have decent winrate

[gritty anvil]

rune depends

[blissful olive]

ramp has support already

chances are its discard

[cursive crypt]

honestly i kinda struggle vs abyss as forest when they coin bonemancer into another bonemancer

too hard to clear

otherwise its free af tho

[gritty anvil]

burnite + otohime discard dragon would be lit

lux is complete garbage

fuck that card

[gritty anvil]

they are more aggresive lists or not

3 razory claws ?

3 mummy ?

im testing now darkseal demon

but i dont know if hes any good

[cursive crypt]

no just standard midrange abyss but if they play the bonemancer that spawns 2 skellies when it dies on turn 2 and 3

its kinda doomed honestly

[gritty anvil]

ye bonemancer is so important early

for abyss

its also 3 shadows

[cursive crypt]

if they play it on turn 3 and 4 its w.e i can deal with it

but on turn 2 and 3 with the coin its doomed

too annoying to clear

[blissful olive]

having 2 and 3 drops on curve is like a must or pack it up

amulet bone mancer orthurs

FIGHT BACK

[mystic tartan]

yo lets play

nevia

1 game bro

[blissful olive]

no lol

[mystic tartan]

2 min

just kill me

for the quest

[blissful olive]

im just not going 2 the park rn

[mystic tartan]

@warped granite bro help me

tf is this avatar

[blissful olive]

only problem with face

run into ward u instantly lose lol

[mystic tartan]

ye thats why people run that 1 detective

[blissful olive]

haven heals 2 much tbh

makes aggro not possible

[warped granite]

Lol sorry I was in the toilet and I'm out

[mystic tartan]

[warped granite]

Wait I still logged in there?

I was logged out 10 mins ago or so

[blissful olive]

yeah like once u get healing u cant win anymore

[warped granite]

Also im proud of my bald avatar

[mystic tartan]

alright just kill me

1 min

Skoomah

[warped granite]

Fine give me 1 min

[mystic tartan]

just search my name

[warped granite]

Warp to me

[mystic tartan]

kill my ass

alright ty

[warped granite]

Np

[mystic tartan]

got nothing from chest

[chilly viper]

ordine finally did weekly

[mystic tartan]

[chilly viper]

i usually can do it on mondays that's when we did it last time

but i had to go to office this week

[mystic tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/tribe-nine-zero-mad-angry-slam-gif-8428952360967702684

[blissful olive]

i just do it on reset usually

[warped granite]

Face dragon: they draw taunt you lose, simple as

Phildau mitigates it to some degree

But yeah haven got run over if they don't draw feet girl

If they do they can still get run over but 50 50

[blissful olive]

yeah its literally a

[warped granite]

I usually try to make a big intimidate dragon vs haven. Not always possible of course

[blissful olive]

i win or i lose deck

[warped granite]

And sometimes they have 2 feet girls it is what it is

[mystic tartan]

phildau fucking talk so much if he meet another mask

[blissful olive]

pov i dont draw forte

[warped granite]

Phildau do have a yapper face

[blissful olive]

chances are i lose its turn 7 lol

[warped granite]

Oh I thought you're playing face nvm

[blissful olive]

u know what face dragon needs

burn

if it had burn

holy shit

im not talking 8 mana shark shit i mean like

2-4 cost in ur face fuck u kinda burn

[chilly viper]

wow i didn't know this

[warped granite]

Let's see in 2 days what they have for us

[blissful olive]

my guess is

abyss gets bats dragon gets discard rune gets dirt

fuck haven

portal gets puppets

fuck artifacts

sword gets an even better amalia because why not

you dirty slut

[mystic tartan]

wajaja

[warped granite]

I'd drink the water she's in right now

[blissful olive]

id drown her in it

[warped granite]

But honestly playing face dragon does make you angry at how many bs each class have

[blissful olive]

real lol

[warped granite]

I had to (try) to be zen af

[blissful olive]

the true aggro exp

aggro is actually really dog shit in this game without the extra bullshit like spawning more dudes or giving everything rush and storm

[warped granite]

Kinda, aggro basically = wait until your finisher hits for half hp from bench

Or you're sword

[blissful olive]

pov u play ramp

LETS GO GREA

RIGHT BEHIND YOU ANNE

lmao

[gritty anvil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGsN-jKrPQQ

[blissful olive]

buff abyss

its actually crazy how ugly shit used to be

compared to how good it is now

even just the turn counter

[gritty anvil]

yes

it was so outdated

[gritty anvil]

@umbral seal can haven keep diamond ?

haven only

[umbral seal]

No.

Every time I play Haven, my win rate tanks. Used many different lists, including the one abe posted

Too many bad match ups in diamond master

[cursive crypt]

quite hard to keep diamond if you vs forest 3/5 games

[umbral seal]

Sword is also a hard match-up. Your board clears just don't keep up with their board refills

Which is also why I said, very early on (this is a recurring theme)

That sword does not auto lose to board wipes

[gritty anvil]

is diamond mostly forest ?

[umbral seal]

I don't know about "mostly" but there's a high concentration of forest players at high mmr master.

It's the best deck after all.

Still not gonna play it, personally

[wild gale]

Sword loses to not going 2nd

[umbral seal]

You could say that to basically any deck. Going 2nd needs to not get two coins.

Pretty easy fix

[cursive crypt]

honestly face dragon is only viable because it has favorable matchup vs rune and forest

which are literally what you will face 70% of the time

[hazy lily]

i just wish they'd get rid of super evo personally

dont see the problem with 1st 2 evo, 2nd 3 evo

[warped granite]

https://old.reddit.com/r/Shadowverse/comments/1lu38sd/kagemitsu_aggro_sword_vs_roach_forest_20_game/ sword seems to have better win rate going first in tempo matchups

[hazy lily]

i play dirt, sb mix atm

pretty good for aggro matchups due to sagelight aoe clear

for 3 sigils

[gritty anvil]

face dragon can beat anything but its just very inconsistent because that deck has no draws also no 1 drops it heavily rely on topdecks pretty much

actually it losing more cards than it draws

[brisk adder]

is baldo still playing?

[warped granite]

Probablemente no

[cursive crypt]

wym bro, just get forte and otohime in your opening hand every gaem

u dont really need draw anyway

u just need the fan

[umbral seal]

ML 5

Cygames needs to put Grandmaster back in the game

[untold karma]

[hazy lily]

face dragon is actually so fucking boring to play against

i fucking sleep

[umbral seal]

Watching a random game. This face dragon player missed lethal and this abyss player hardcore misplayed. A0 vs C2

Losing my mind right now

[hazy lily]

bro

portalcraft player taunting b4 dropping his mecha

those people deserve to die irl

and their whole family too

pisslow elo and he thinks he just won the grand finals of sv cup

against my t4 deck

decent start i'd say

got even better

[cursive crypt]

classic haven tbh

[hazy lily]

thats just classic me tbh

he double orchid

and i havent drawn

a single

monster card

i'm done with this rng shit

fucking artifact incel wasting my time

fusing every round for 1 minute

[umbral seal]

That's just how it is sometimes

[blissful olive]

not bad

[lone agate]

slowly accepting 50 vials as not bad
tolerance is increasing

[blissful olive]

fuck that

thats 250 look again !

[primal isle]

use a globe to boost the dust even more

[blissful olive]

i have 5 gold ones and 2 legos

but i kinda wanna use em on cards i like maybe depending on whats in new set

[cursive crypt]

this dude is already dead on my screen

[umbral seal]

Ravening saves him actually. Two amulets is 15 with super evo. He could heal to 16.

Sack the 1/1 and play Amalia also saves him, I believe.

All of these kind of delay the inevitable, though

[blissful olive]

and then amalia comes down

[umbral seal]

Amalia just delays death, Abe is still very far ahead

[blissful olive]

yeha it buys a turn

nothing else he can do

only answer here is ward up

[umbral seal]

Well, no. Like I said earlier, Ravening would also save him

But it's the same thing, it only buys 1 turn.

[blissful olive]

magus emelia would be cancer here

[umbral seal]

Slightly, but he has Cerb + super evo with deathslash to kill Amelia. If he couldn't clear any of the 2/2's, that would set up lethal for the Sword player, actually.

[cursive crypt]

i coul;d just proc the barrier with 1 crypth and kill him with the other

[blissful olive]

ud need all 4 it would get fucky

either way it buys a turn not a big deal

[umbral seal]

Amelia combos is just one of many reasons why I'd always run 3 medusas, though

[blissful olive]

yeah abyss doesnt have mass removal to begin with shes the best we have

i would love a card that gives all followers minus/ minus

thatd be crazy

[cursive crypt]

dragon has it

[umbral seal]

She is the mass removal. Arguably better than something like unholy vessel because she demands immediate removal or else she threatens lethal.

[blissful olive]

dragon ha s twilight dragon sure

[umbral seal]

Twilight is a good card, held back by the fact that dragon doesn't have enough ramp

[blissful olive]

yeah i wish aragavy did that

• instead of damage

[umbral seal]

Aragavy is a great card. His evo included, since it deals 3 for a normal evo opposed to 2 if you evo'd to go face.

[blissful olive]

yeah hes lit i just want a - card

[umbral seal]

The self damage would be even better if Bloody Mary ever gets reprinted

https://shadowverse.fandom.com/wiki/Bloody_Mary

[blissful olive]

oh her

yeah

[umbral seal]

Bm + dire bond + razory claw was 11 dmg on turn 10. Quite a lot considering how much damage bloodcraft had

Even control blood had a lot of damage

[blissful olive]

shed be good but hard to use

like a lot of the time u gotta drop aragavy to clear or die

[umbral seal]

Personally, after I drop Aragavy on curve, I don't feel a need to drop another one unless I need to save Medusa for bigger threats

Since 7 dmg split is more situational than remove 3 targets

[gritty anvil]

is grand prix up ?

[umbral seal]

Considering it just turned midnight July 9th on the east coast, I'd say no. No idea what time it is in Japan

[blissful olive]

it is the 9th at least

1pm ovr there prob 2 nite

[warped granite]

I need any source of packs to reach 250 pulls

[blissful olive]

whats pity at atm

mines 30 but im not gonna hit that id be such a waste

[cursive crypt]

That page isn't gonna go away for a long time anyway

You can still buy them 1 year from now most likely

[blissful olive]

i mean i aint buying base set cards ever again

only leaders i want now are daria and forte when she come

[warped granite]

20 pulls left for me

[umbral seal]

Kaori clears Daria, tbh

However, Cygames is going to put Forte in the shop for 1k gems again

And I'm probably going to buy it anyway because Forte is my queen

[blissful olive]

if fortes 1k gems im good with that

buy her + BP

depending what the next set look like maybe drop 100 bucks call it a day

[warped granite]

Kaori + her stage + bgm is just peak. I think cygames hit the mark with rune design

Like the bgm is super tense and captures the sense of the inevitability of runecraft turn 10