Shadowverse

[cursive crypt]

But at the same time u need to play them to combo

Fairies also clog your hand

You can try just running full control forest deck without roach and aria

Only wincon being the bramble queen lol

[warped granite]

Now that the dust has settled a bit forest seems to be the real budget deck basically just needs 3 aria

Playing it can make you go bald tho

[umbral seal]

There is, I just lost to it

Earth rite rune

[cursive crypt]

Is that even real

Closest "ward" deck I've seen was havencraft

Just spam the chalice + 7 cost ward

[warped granite]

Earth rite rune seems underrepresented, what do they look like

[cursive crypt]

Idont even know what earth rune does

[umbral seal]

Spamming guardian golems every turn

Literally

[cursive crypt]

Do they get bigger and bigger

[umbral seal]

They can, yes.

[blissful olive]

@umbral seal

so how well does that list ur running fare vs aggro ?

forest and sword

[mystic tartan]

@lone agate

[umbral seal]

Pretty well. However, you should be value trading when the opportunity arises or if you're going second

[unkempt lava]

Lots more midrange decks

[warped granite]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAbu4_aC5IM JP bruvver is rerolling for 100 pulls park chest lmao

[unkempt lava]

Damn. The shadowverse backseaters are different

[warped granite]

[chilly viper]

i'm watching this guy on twitch play havencraft and honestly this is pretty fun

i should've waited

[cursive crypt]

no way this guy is for real

[warped granite]

i followed this guy for a while one of his schtick is rerolling when every random gacha releases

[unkempt lava]

#1383658402005123112 message

[cursive crypt]

why do i see some kinda simulated joystick, is he playing on a tablet

[warped granite]

damn you really riled that guy up with 1 word om

[cursive crypt]

but there is a cursor

[chilly viper]

controller

[warped granite]

you mean like on-screen joysticks on phones? hes using an emulator

[cursive crypt]

oh

not ons team?

is it faster to reroll on emu

[warped granite]

i think so because you dont have to change steam IDs

[cursive crypt]

i see

[chilly viper]

damn that's big brain

[unkempt lava]

Japanese people really love this game right?

Like they can fund this game for 7 years alone love right?

[warped granite]

Yes but I didnt notice they love it this much om

[unkempt lava]

The guy has 700 viewers rerolling

That's impressive

[cursive crypt]

not even reroling packs

bro is rerolling 10 park chest openings

gonna check on him in 10 hours

[wild gale]

Rerolling park chests?

[cursive crypt]

yea he is rerolling for 100x packs from park chest

mental illness

[chilly viper]

all that for like what

10 legendaries?

[wild gale]

100x packs exist???

[cursive crypt]

yes

[narrow berry]

they're also by far the biggest streamers in the category. meanwhile English has baldy, jenazad, grapplr, ignideus, DifferentFight (occassionally), and that's it as far as i know

[wild gale]

I think that has to be rarer than pulling 100 legendaries from 100 packs

[cursive crypt]

probably

[chilly viper]

they hide percentage for a reason

[umbral seal]

Got my diamond back

Also, holy shit, so many haven players

I basically have to play rune now.

[chilly viper]

i got 4th medusa, this account is gone

[mystic tartan]

u can liquify tho

[chilly viper]

for 1200 vials

the rate is so shit

[cursive crypt]

at least she is a cutie

[warped granite]

that rerolling guy hasnt stopped lmao

[wild gale]

[chilly viper]

i'm too lazy to reroll

can i reroll on steam? it's not possible right

i tried the game on emulator and it's laggy as hell

[chilly viper]

man i'm starting to think medusa is not even that good of a card

it only clears the board

[cursive crypt]

its a really good card if she isnt in the abyss class :

[unkempt lava]

If medusa survives she does big damage

[wild gale]

She's good if she doesn't get bodied instantly by a clear

Which almost happens instantaneously since your opponent now has 7 or 8 mana

[umbral seal]

She never does, but that's fine

[wild gale]

[silver tide]

Medusa basically must die

Or you take 18

[umbral seal]

I got one.

Gonna push my luck

[silver tide]

Wtf this dude has the skin

[umbral seal]

Diawl is awful

[chilly viper]

i love wardddddd

[narrow berry]

omg... the moment i make it back to diamond: 3 loss streak. it's like the game's calling me basically hardstuck master 0LP in league terms

[umbral seal]

Everyone is playing optimal shit in diamond A0

And they have the most insane draws

[chilly viper]

i only have 2 legendaries in my whole deck

kinda struggling

[narrow berry]

it's also happening in diamond C2 LMAO

[cursive crypt]

Cheese u have worse luck than me that's amazing

[chilly viper]

in hindsight, i should've chose the havencraft free deck, then in that case i would have 3 legendaries

😬

btw i have 1 jeanne and 1 salefa

it's pretty cursed

and borderline unusable

i pretty much only have enough rupies for one more 10 pull but what are the chances

all my luck is in abysscraft and idk how to use it

[cursive crypt]

There is a lot of aggro versions for abyss but they all require 5 mana legendary, not Medusa or cerb

[chilly viper]

i kinda wanna spend but maybe in july cus i want to know how much powercreep there is

oh the agavy guy whatever his name is

[cursive crypt]

Yea don't spend now imo, not worth it

[chilly viper]

i also only have 1 copy of that

[cursive crypt]

Yea that guy

[chilly viper]

all the decks that i look at, they are all paying aggro

idk if i can play that, it's too risky

on the other hand, i really like amulet havencraft

falcons are op but i guess cucked by ward

[cursive crypt]

If you liquify anything that you can you should be able to craft something no?

[chilly viper]

maybe but i'm coping that they will revert the liquefy changes

lol

[cursive crypt]

Wouldn't count on it lol. The only thing I can see them doing is making us able to liquify without having to get more than 3 of the cards

And even then it's not likely

[chilly viper]

a man can dream

[fading echo]

i fucking hate abyss so much

and the game keeps matching me with these dragoncucks

2/5 wins to do the stupid vials quest and i played like 30 matches or something

[silver tide]

Hows aggro abyss

Is it just worse than sword

Cuz inhave playset of 5 mana lego

[fading echo]

all the decks i played so far have combos so they feel like they're building up to something on the end game maybe i'm missing cards but abyss feels like builds up to nothing

[chilly viper]

[narrow berry]

i was one match away from getting demoted. thank god my opponent ended up dc'ing. but then again, just him missing his T5 put me in a near-unloseable position

[fading echo]

like this rune deck just did 14 aoe damage on my board reset his hand and play points and did all this other shit you know abyss doesn't really do anything

i think i'm 3/5 on the quest but my only hope is fighting more dragoncucks and praying their hands are bricked

i think there's 0 chance i beat rune/haven/portal with this deck

[unkempt lava]

No identity

Devs too lazy to make 2 classes. So they combined them

1 year? Or was it 2 year delay

[fading echo]

yeah like turn 7-8-9-10 comes around and my legendaries don't kill the other guy like my other decks do

and i have no board clear so it's over

literally all 3 wins i got was versus dragon decks and i'm 100% positive they bricked

oh shit another abyss player finally

i might have chance now

he lost i'm free from this hell

[umbral seal]

I think it's because the devs balanced the class around their 2 mana spell that does 3 face damage. In practice, everyone else has more reliable finishers

[blissful olive]

find this mans address

i just wanna talk to him

[mystic tartan]

just beat gundam using Jeno

MY GOAT

🐐

[lone agate]

surely wont be hard to hit Sapphire now

[mystic tartan]

[lone agate]

so what happens when new set releases? are we fucked because the average income for poors is like 1-2 pack a day

[chilly viper]

if they give a lot of juice when new set comes, i might just start a new account lol

[mystic tartan]

we fucked

[wild gale]

WHATTTTT

WhatTatatatattata

WHATTTTTTTTTT

[warped granite]

We'll just have to see if they give us free packs per new set like usual gachers

[teal rain]

how tf are you getting 2 packs a day? unless ur spamming ranked

are you counting the free one?

[lone agate]

yes

I was like trying to see it in a positive way

[teal rain]

free pack is 100 vials KEKL

[chilly viper]

if they split the gacha into classes, i would have spent

kinda like in duel links

but i'm not gonna spend knowing i might get more dogshit abyss cards

[lone agate]

How much I spent on duel links

dont wanna know

but konami had decent deals on DL

[chilly viper]

yea

[lone agate]

the selection boxes were tho

[teal rain]

i seriously hope they limit the arena mode in this game, I probs spent $400 on hearthstone tickets

[lone agate]

original shadowverse had the extra modes like HS?

[teal rain]

apparently take two is coming out relatively soon

[lone agate]

wtf do you do when Sword has zirconia evo at fucking turn 4

[bright silo]

I think you just lose if you can't clear at least 2

[teal rain]

you run appolo

[bright silo]

@cinder bay

make a guild

actually

nba pip already has one

nvm

[blissful olive]

[bright silo]

is lac aware

it's impossible to win against runecraft

with his deck

[warped granite]

Watt is he online?

[bright silo]

he's playing against jena

https://kick.com/jenazad

like it's legit impossible

here comes the 5 cost board wipe

• dclimb...

only way he wins is by roaching asap

[wild gale]

Why doesn't he play on stream smh

Chat would be sackbeating(coaching)

[warped granite]

He won though

[bright silo]

because jena misplayed

[warped granite]

Rune is broken but without kuon there is a finisher issue

Without kuon super Evo that is

[wild gale]

Cocytus

[lone agate]

[bright silo]

could be worse

[chilly viper]

am i crazy or going 2nd is better

[wild gale]

Good

[wild gale]

Yes

[chilly viper]

u know u get this when you can barely win a game 😂

[wild gale]

Even when I was about to be demoted back to topaz I never saw this

[chilly viper]

my deck is very bad

i should tkae screenshot

after this match

[lone agate]

won, poor runecraft with Isabelle skin

[bright silo]

havencraft is hard cheeze

[chilly viper]

bro i nearly won, he is one off fuckkk

i'm coping

i think it's not hard, i just don't have the cards

my shitty deck

[hazy lily]

15 turns haven vs haven

thats the most cancer mirror there is

[warped granite]

Playing haven so you should be prepared for that shit

[hazy lily]

not only haven

[warped granite]

Nice, I only play sword so far

SMOrc

[hazy lily]

better than arti portal

everyone who plays that or spellboost rune has to be in critical condition

mentally

[bright silo]

spellboost rune I understand

because I play ramp dragon

those fuckers can easily match me lategame

I don't always get the cards for play points

[chilly viper]

holy shit i only won once

in all my games

[hazy lily]

dont worry i'm losing most of my games too

even tho i'm a sv1 vet

svwb fucks me completely

[chilly viper]

how are people so good in beginner ranked

it's fucking beginner

[hazy lily]

well

[chilly viper]

these people should be using default decks

[hazy lily]

all the decks are pretty braindead tbh

compared to sv1 decks

[chilly viper]

also why do i earn LP while losing? isn't that gonna fuck me more

[hazy lily]

the only one where you have to have at least a braincell is forest

dragon is curve

sword is curve

[chilly viper]

forest is fun to play man

[hazy lily]

rune is basically WoW deathknight

[chilly viper]

but i don't have any legendary in forest

[warped granite]

the actual MMR is in the emerald/topaz/whatever grouping

[cursive crypt]

I need to play vs more spell boost bro cause that match up is so free when u play forest

[warped granite]

So if you lose you still get LP but MMR doesn't go up

But they're not very transparent about how it works

[bright silo]

yeah

I think you shit on them early

until they get to 5pp

[chilly viper]

i feel like i'm not having fun with my deck as far as f2p goes

[lone agate]

bruh wtf this forestcraft killed me from like 15 hp just with the 3 direct dmg spells and one roach

I hate this

[bright silo]

try sword aggro cheeze

it's f2p friendly

[warped granite]

El clasico forestcraft

[chilly viper]

what does this mean

btw i used up my free deck reward

[hazy lily]

here that sword is very f2p friendly :^)

[bright silo]

you don't need any legendaries

[chilly viper]

on fucking abysscraft

[cursive crypt]

Bro cheeze pulled all the abyss legendaries he's cooked

[bright silo]

this guy enough

[chilly viper]

i'm thinking of rerolling no joke

[bright silo]

for late game

[chilly viper]

i'm losing every game i play

[bright silo]

you play around these cards

[chilly viper]

oh i only have 1 of these

[bright silo]

and the low costs

[lone agate]

promotion to Rank C was a title not a pack

[chilly viper]

and i have no zirconia

[lone agate]

[bright silo]

zirconia a must

[chilly viper]

0 zirconia, 2 jeno

[hazy lily]

very f2p friendly too

[chilly viper]

i can't play any class

[cursive crypt]

Cheeze did u try liquifying cards to see how many vials u can get

[hazy lily]

forest wouldve been the pick you want for f2p prebuilt

cuz forest doesnt need any legi

[hazy lily]

aria is just a nice to have

[bright silo]

yeah go that or try to reroll for portal

[cursive crypt]

Forest deck isn't for everyone I feel :/

[chilly viper]

i genuinely like havencraft

[bright silo]

reroll for haven then

[chilly viper]

can i unlink from steam

[cursive crypt]

Wtf, I swear I got more vials than that

[chilly viper]

or do i reroll on phone

[hazy lily]

haven is pretty cost heavy tho

[cursive crypt]

I got like 9k vials at least after all the freebies

[chilly viper]

maybe because you're day 1 player

i started yesterday

[chilly viper]

how much do you spend brother

[hazy lily]

youll be fine cheeze

just get the 2.5m rupies from rupie galore

and you're set

set untill sv3

[chilly viper]

all that rupies and i will roll all medusa

[hazy lily]

or the 100 pack from the park chest right

[hazy lily]

200 i think

round about

prolly a bit less

[chilly viper]

$200 and your account is that stacked?

that's crazy

[bright silo]

you can get this easily if you reroll

[bright silo]

you get 1 albert for free

[hazy lily]

yepcock

[chilly viper]

what's the reroll strat

can i reroll on pc?

[hazy lily]

hardcore reroll for the 100 pack park chest

[chilly viper]

no man i treasure my time

i don't mind rerolling just to get maybe a few jeannes

or lapis

[hazy lily]

haven is prolly one of the highest cost decks tho

along with sword and abyss

[lone agate]

wtf I played first time scuffed Swordcraft and insta won, what is this magick

[cursive crypt]

Haven and abyss sucks so much without the perfect legos

[hazy lily]

i mean its playable b4 that ofc but yk

the total deck cost is heavy

abyss sucks even with

your wincon is the enemy drawing shit

[chilly viper]

yeai 'm cooked

i kinda don't wanna play swordcraft cus i feel it's boring

[warped granite]

wait jena end stream

where lac stream

[cursive crypt]

Lac said he's gonna stream

When Jena ended

[hazy lily]

pretty bad balancing atm imo. every class has board clear and low cost single target kill cards

that wasnt like that in sv1

and super evo is super scuffed

more dmg fine, but taking no dmg

is just bad

artifact portal can just stall you ass till turn 5

calls board clear

follows with orchid and 10 face dmg

and plays gundam

theres pmuch nothing you can do unless you play haven

or have a god draw on forest

[chilly viper]

i fucking hate

bullet of beyond

or whatever it's called

[lone agate]

its so good

[cursive crypt]

I hate the 1/5 ward artifact actually cucks forest so hard if they play it as it is

Spamming 1/5 artifacts

[hazy lily]

with haven for example i have to use every evo just to survive

i cant even attack myself

i have to defend the entire game

[chilly viper]

portal broken

[hazy lily]

tank his gundam and heal back up

otherwise i cant win

and havens wincon is lapis

if you throw a ward at her

which is pretty easy to do since u see when she comes on board

you're fucked

jeanne can work, but not if the enemy card hp is over 6

prolly gonna try earth rite rune for a bit next cuz i like edelweiss

[lone agate]

bruh im at 3 wins in a row in less than 5min with swordcraft, and I just drop cards with 0 brain and face

swordcraft worse

[cursive crypt]

Idk what haven's game plan is tbh all I see them do is spam the chalice amulet and then die

[hazy lily]

so+

throw lapis

[cursive crypt]

They do have a lot of wards

[hazy lily]

prepare

when lapis comes on board throw jeanne

super evo lapis

for 13dmg

yea thats the entire setup

and if they have a ward

it does exactly nothing

[cursive crypt]

[hazy lily]

u have that too

but on turn 8 you're usually busy defending urself

against orchid

x)

those cards -rukina

not a single deck has that amount of card value

and its not like you have to work towards your wincon

gundam is ready by turn 10 anyway

i even had it ready on 7 on one of my games

[chilly viper]

lmao

it's either lapis or griffon but i don't think people play griffon

[cursive crypt]

Imma be honest idc much about these cards except for the 1/5 artifacts and orchis

But orchis is 8 cost so it's bearable

My game rarely goes to turn 10

[hazy lily]

I can only recommend you to just learn forest, cheeze

even rosetta forest is pretty decent imo

uh, rose queen is her name here i think

[chilly viper]

let me show u my forest cards

no amataz no rose queen no bayle

[wild gale]

Cheeze already faltering at emerald

Iron rank smh

[chilly viper]

think i played 10-15 games today and i won only 1

lmao

[wild gale]

I only started getting loss streak after getting into ruby

I'm going to steal kuncussion's deck list soon

[hazy lily]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31RIWw2NR8E

might be interesting for u cheeze

[wild gale]

He's right that once you're in ruby there's no wriggle room

[cursive crypt]

Bru I was playing auto complete dragon deck to topaz 💀

[chilly viper]

yea bro first i need the rose queen first

[silver tide]

still in d2

[chilly viper]

and u probably need more than 1

[wild gale]

Would get nuked in ruby

[silver tide]

[hazy lily]

there are non legendary forest decks too iirc

i dropped all the way down to emerald earlier

[wild gale]

ROACH NATION ASSEMBLE

[hazy lily]

lost 6h straight

[chilly viper]

u can play forest without legendaries? wtfff

[wild gale]

[silver tide]

i think forest is like the cheapest to build

or close

[wild gale]

Is kuncussion the only sapphire player here

[hazy lily]

what are u playing axanael

[chilly viper]

i can't even play roachcraft cus i only have 1 roach

[hazy lily]

rune or portal?

[wild gale]

Craft roach

[cursive crypt]

6 hour straight? 😭

[wild gale]

It's a gold card

[silver tide]

aggro sword

[wild gale]

Bro lost 36 games in a row

[silver tide]

smorc deck

[cursive crypt]

After I just promoted to sapphire I legit lost 7 in a row and did not demote

[wild gale]

I'm playing midrange sword

[hazy lily]

mean that by aggro?

got that flying around

[silver tide]

idk why we have no way to intract with arti

kinda weird

[hazy lily]

i think i have 3 swordcraft decks atm

[cursive crypt]

Ok gonna turn on my PC any1 wanna run some sets, I wanna try this abyss deck that looks super garbage but is apparently winning

[silver tide]

wtf

does bane go through barrier

or did i miss soemthing

[cursive crypt]

Yea

Bane doesn't need to do DMG to kill

[silver tide]

thats fucking retarded

[wild gale]

Ancestral crown in an aggro deck

[hazy lily]

should be in another of my decks

[wild gale]

Amelia player gets wrecked by Orchis

[gritty anvil]

ok its not skill issue aliastar is also hardstuck with ramp draong in ruby / sapphire rank

[wild gale]

Like I said

[silver tide]

yeah ok

that needs to change

there is nor eason bane should kill through barrier

[wild gale]

From ruby everyone is moving with netdecks

[gritty anvil]

i mean it make sense it kills barrier is only vs numbers

[wild gale]

Sapphire is for people who know how to play netdecks

[gritty anvil]

i was in sapphire

but got deranked

i play only ramp tho

[wild gale]

The meta got established

[gritty anvil]

ye

[wild gale]

It's fucking brutal now

[silver tide]

its brutal cuz the balacne is shit

[gritty anvil]

99% matches im againts are sword rune portal

[cursive crypt]

False imma be hitting diamond today with my forest deck

[gritty anvil]

dragon forest abysscraft are extremely rare

forest is most

[wild gale]

Full aggro sword with Shinobi?

[gritty anvil]

that craft is super rare in rank where im

[wild gale]

Playing abysscraft is troll

[gritty anvil]

or just board spam sword

classic

oh haven is also rare

[silver tide]

oiler sword

apparently works

[wild gale]

I'm doing that with midrange sword

But honestly

It's fucking shit

Everyone can board clear my ass

[gritty anvil]

btw i think some super aggresive abysscraft must be actually decent

[hazy lily]

that one is apparently pretty decent according to jp frogs

[gritty anvil]

vs this meta

[silver tide]

cuz ur not playing triple dao and shit probably

you need like infintie gat

gas

to play oiler sword

[wild gale]

Yeah I'm going to play this

[gritty anvil]

actually i beat this deck sometimes

if they dont go too insane early

and i get to my aoes

i can win

but

evo amelia

can cuck me

[wild gale]

Oh do you play havencraft?

[gritty anvil]

no

ramp dragon

[hazy lily]

well if u find any abyss that works hmu

because i lost almost every game with abyss

[gritty anvil]

there must be some really cheap aggro deck

without any lego

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WavCUYCAoaA something like this

[wild gale]

Once dragon gets to 9 PP they are almost guaranteed a win

[silver tide]

you can probably play sword aggro without albert

[warped granite]

im an aggro sword enjoyer, probably midrange is better but i dont like thinking past turn 8

[silver tide]

its worse but its still playable

[hazy lily]

oh zhiff back in svwb

[gritty anvil]

u cant lol

[silver tide]

you can cope with the 3/3 guy

[wild gale]

Going past turn 8 is topdecking Albert

[silver tide]

[wild gale]

It's actually really easy

[warped granite]

i only have 1 alberto unfortunately kek

i have around 10k vials but im not crafting anything yet

[wild gale]

I need an Olivia

[gritty anvil]

this abysscraft deck only use 6 gold cards

[wild gale]

Please park chest gods

[gritty anvil]

really cheap

[wild gale]

Dead to apollo

Next

[hazy lily]

pls park chest gods gimme the 100 packs

[warped granite]

my deck is still working vs ruby schmucks maybe because the portal players all rank up already but it's fine

[wild gale]

I NEED 10000 PACKS CYGAMES

[hazy lily]

i need some vials for the sword gramps and i'm done with collection all cards

[wild gale]

🫃

I need my Olivia

[gritty anvil]

i have 2

[wild gale]

Or I will dunk my spaghetti with kicap

[hazy lily]

i mean

i'd take the 2.5m rupies over the 100 packs

[wild gale]

100 packs are more likely

[hazy lily]

unlikely for me

[silver tide]

fuck ill take 10 packs

[hazy lily]

i know my gacha luck

[wild gale]

What if I get the 2.5 million rupees though

[hazy lily]

u dont have to ever cash

[wild gale]

Should I spend it on 100 legends rise pack

[hazy lily]

as long as svwb is alive

thats for sure

why not 100 for everyone for release

stingy cygames :^)

[warped granite]

spaghetti are just italian noodles anyway it'll taste fine

[hazy lily]

oiler sword too hard

throw curve

???

profit

[silver tide]

finally done with my cringe ranked wins mission

dont even get bp levels since already capped

[hazy lily]

ranked wins count tho

dont they

that 50, 60, 70 etc

[silver tide]

yeah only those

back to hsbg

[hazy lily]

bless you

[silver tide]

the dragon i played

is fucking smoge

he had to play forte regular evo

and trade into zirconia

and then the chumps killed him anyways

[hazy lily]

pretty playable with portalcraft

that far from every other class

[bright silo]

I'm stuck in saphire

[fiery pulsar]

People do play griffion in saphire and diamond

[gritty anvil]

lol alia playing 3 cockytus dragon thats brick af

[cursive crypt]

i think thats the default mmr to be stuck at

[bright silo]

idk if I'm just unlucky

they always have an answer to every turn

[cursive crypt]

maybe i understand it wrong but sapphire diamond etc is just your mmr, the points is still your real rank

[bright silo]

yeah

[cursive crypt]

eventually u will not win more than you lose so your mmr will be topaz/ruby but ur points is high af

i mean one of these games your opponent will draw brick too

[lone agate]

I cant with how many board clears this game has

feels dogshit

[fiery pulsar]

You just have to play around iy

If you cant recover your board state from a wipe dont play your whole hand

[lone agate]

I feel it happens way to often, and almost all deck can do that
you have to play around and you also have to overcome their board on top of that

its not like they just clear

[umbral seal]

It always surprises me how many players complain about board wipes

[umbral seal]

You gain significantly more pts per win by beating players in sapphire/diamond

[lone agate]

its really not suprising at all, I believe it is a problem

[umbral seal]

A problem if you're an aggro player, perhaps

But in general, no.

[lone agate]

🤔

[bright silo]

problem is not board wipes

it's just when people have them every turn

is what my games feel like

[hazy lily]

the fact that every class has board wipes is still retarded

if you think thats fine you're coping

[lone agate]

[bright silo]

like I never top deck any good cards

rng is just frustrating me

[umbral seal]

I don't struggle vs board wipes. There's genuinely nothing to cope about. This is legit a skill issue

[hazy lily]

the fact that they exist doesnt matter, since every wincon otk's you anyway

[umbral seal]

The only card I truly hate is orchis

[bright silo]

like I had a game

where someone dclimb me 3x

to be fair their deck draws a lot of cards

but it feels like shit

[umbral seal]

Rune high rolling also triggers me but it was worse in og sv

Where you're just dead on the spot after dshift

The deck is designed to draw over half their deck reliably so you have to pressure them. However

[hazy lily]

well they nerfed pmuch every card from og sv

[bright silo]

I have to play portal bro

[hazy lily]

still feels pretty bad if you play against artifact portal for example which has an answer for everything basically

[bright silo]

so many portal players I go against

are so focused on getting gundam

when their 5 cost cards have such insane effects

they legit only lose to me because of greed

is what it feels like

[umbral seal]

[hazy lily]

rune and portal are autopilot

whoever thinks they're some big brain for playing cocy and dshift on turn 10

or kuon

is mentally challenged

[umbral seal]

They are strong but nowhere close to auto pilot. If that was the case, they would all be diamond and they're not

[bright silo]

I don't have enough to build a good rune or portal deck

have to keep coping with dragon and sword

[umbral seal]

If you said that about an aggro deck, sure. But combo decks have to make significantly more decisions that decide games

[hazy lily]

forest does

[umbral seal]

Sword is one of the fastest climbers right now. What's your list?

[hazy lily]

saying artifact portal is effort is wild when the wincon is ready on turn 7 or 8 without you actively playing for it

[hazy lily]

its harder to decide which cards to suicide in an aggro deck

than playing artifact

[umbral seal]

The win con is only ready on turn 10, or turn 9 going second and if masterwork isn't exact lethal but they play it, they lose. I've had many games where they were forced to do that

[hazy lily]

or they just play orchid

and face dmg with super evo 2 turns in a row

not like mastercraft is their only wincon

[umbral seal]

Orchis is extremely busted. That I agree with.

[hazy lily]

they can start chipping your hp without effort starting at turn 5

when playing haven against portal for example i cant even go into offensive

i have to play chalice every turn or go for salefa evo

because i cant clear the board otherwise

[umbral seal]

Amalia (the gold card) and coachwoman should be cut

[hazy lily]

your only chance is to survive orchid and have enough hp to outheal mastercraft

[bright silo]

do I put that 7 cost

that deals 5 dmg to them

and restore 5 to me

instead of her

[umbral seal]

Haven's best deck is storm, so they can go offensive depending on your list

[umbral seal]

Yes, it's extra reach. I run 2 copies

[hazy lily]

griffon?

thats turn 8

where u have to defend

usually by playing jeanne

[umbral seal]

They have more storm cards than the 8 cost griffon

[hazy lily]

yea

lapis

[gritty anvil]

wtf

[umbral seal]

Holyflame tiger also exists to stave off early aggression

[gritty anvil]

0.9

[hazy lily]

thats not storm

lapis and griffon are

[umbral seal]

I know.

[hazy lily]

yea and thats it

[umbral seal]

They have 3 different sources iirc. That's about 9 copies. Lemme double check

[umbral seal]

How in the world are you not including the amulets

That's 12.

Basic cards, and they aren't bad either. Lost to a few storm havens at diamond A0

This is a deck I was going to run myself, because I noticed how potent it is. But I'm actually lacking golds

[hazy lily]

avian statue barely comes out ever for me

cuz i usually have to clear with dose of holiness

[umbral seal]

Wait, so people have to play ranked to rank up the guild?

Shameless plug. Guild ID: 299410508444

Also, who wants to run some sets at the battle table?

[cursive crypt]

me lets go

i wanna try this abyss deck

come to the guild lounge

[umbral seal]

Hold on, in a match

[cursive crypt]

kk

[umbral seal]

Where you at

Are you mob no.3?

[cursive crypt]

ye

[umbral seal]

Spectators welcome

[lone agate]

holy how much are u playing

[umbral seal]

A lot.

Which is why I disagree with a lot of people in this channel

People are talking low rank nonsense

[lone agate]

we can agree to disagree

[umbral seal]

[cursive crypt]

bruh i drew all the 6 cost cardas 💀

[gritty anvil]

this is my ramp dragon list + cock thats not there showed

only 2 burnite and garyu tho

oh wait cock is there showed

[umbral seal]

Don't tell me your hand

[gritty anvil]

i wonder if i should play 3 twilight dragons

or nah

[umbral seal]

These aren't even the decks I'm using to climb ranked btw @cursive crypt

Go again?

[cursive crypt]

its not wat i use either im trying this one but i know what cards i need to cut now ig

how do i change deck

[umbral seal]

I think you'd have to leave the lobby first

[cursive crypt]

ok sec

[umbral seal]

No rush.

In which game did you brick, both?

[cursive crypt]

nah the 2nd game was fine, i just couldnt get through wards that easily

ok im ready

[umbral seal]

This is the list I'm experimenting with

[cursive crypt]

looks good honestly

[umbral seal]

Well, as "good" as Abyss will get

[gritty anvil]

i think aggro abysscraft actually works pretty well

but u have too heavy top end

but i guess medusa is good for dealing with wards

3 olivia is overkill tho

i like aragavy

i would def play him 3 times in this type of blood

[umbral seal]

I could potentially cut one but for now, I won't. I cut a darkseal instead.

[gritty anvil]

cerberus would be nice for this list

but might be too slow

not sure

[umbral seal]

Cerberus has anti synergy with lilith

Because the dogs and lilith both cost 1 mana

[gritty anvil]

oh ye true

i missing 3 gold cards for aggro blood

rip

[umbral seal]

@cursive crypt Ignoring my apollo was wild.

You shouldn't have done that

[cursive crypt]

honestly i thought its not worth attacking since i would be ok if you decide to spend evo point on it lol

im starting to not like the revive 6 mana guy

[gritty anvil]

this would be list i would run i think not sure

is chaos cyclone even good card ?

seems mid af

[umbral seal]

gg's, bud

[cursive crypt]

hmm i thin i should cut the 2 mana 3/3

that shit is ass

[umbral seal]

Yes, Beryl is extremely bad

I tried to tell you that

[cursive crypt]

2 mana deal 3 famage to self

[umbral seal]

The 3 mana 4/3 is better b/c it's 1 self damage but still not great

[cursive crypt]

yea that one is garbage too

[umbral seal]

That's why I stopped running him

[cursive crypt]

i dont have agavy so maybe i just give up on this deck lol

[umbral seal]

I always knew Beryl was ass though

[umbral seal]

Honestly, Aragavy is extremely important so yes. He brings back tempo if you lost the board and his evo is actually more damage than normally evolving a follower to go face

[gritty anvil]

beryl always destroyed me

its so strong vs slower match ups

[cursive crypt]

aragavy is the only legendary i have no copies of in abyss

[umbral seal]

I think if you lost to beryl, you were going to lose regardless lol.

Like at that point, anything on curve would've killed you imo

[gritty anvil]

its just that i cant deal with her 2 3/3 is too much stats

this early

no usually 2 mana are 2 hp

[umbral seal]

That's literally only +1/+1 over a 2 mana 2/2

Losing 3 life for that is awful

[gritty anvil]

which i cant trade my 2 drops into

blood dont care

it trying to rush u down

early

[umbral seal]

I mean, they do care. I know they're trying to rush me down, which is why I play the arms race with them.

But also, my ramp dragon is no longer slow

[gritty anvil]

oh

[umbral seal]

I added more storm specifically to race faster decks

[gritty anvil]

well i mean its hard to deal with 3/3 on 2 even if u add early game

[umbral seal]

As dragon? Maybe a bit. Do you not run the lizards?

[gritty anvil]

if they play first and play it on turn 2 its really deadly for ramp dragon

i used to

not now

but u right lizard can technnically deal with it

[umbral seal]

This is the list I was playing against abe just now

[gritty anvil]

if abysscraft was more common

i would def add lizard

[umbral seal]

Things like burnite were cut to make the deck faster. I still run twilight, though

[umbral seal]

Lizard is good against sword & forest as well.

[gritty anvil]

oh u playing storm dragon

[gritty anvil]

forest in my rank is very rare

sword its ok but only sometimes

[umbral seal]

"Playing", I guess lol. I'm not using this on ladder. I just start losing whenever I hop off sword

[umbral seal]

That's interesting because it's actually quite common at my rank

Haven as well

[gritty anvil]

i literally spam only ramp dragon

i like to suffer

[umbral seal]

lol

[gritty anvil]

yes in higher ranks

forest is more common

[umbral seal]

Yeah, I tried doing that and then I got knocked down to ruby like 3 times. So I was like "yeah, I'm playing sword"

[gritty anvil]

even alia cant climb

with ramp dragon

and hes really good player

[teal rain]

im stuck sapphire with ramp dragon

[umbral seal]

Being a good player can only do so much

[teal rain]

cant beat the aggro decks consistently

not enough rune players

[gritty anvil]

i was in sapphire

but i dropped

[umbral seal]

The thing is, at high mmr, almost everyone is making minimal mistakes

So that's when the tier list really matters

[gritty anvil]

its ok

next expansion

dragon def gonna get something that put him in meta

[teal rain]

tbh, ramp dragon is 50% decided by whether u get second or not

[umbral seal]

Dragon was in this same position of season 1 of the OG. It immediately became S tier in rage of bahamut for two reasons

The devs gave them more ramp

[gritty anvil]

dragon want to go second right ?

[umbral seal]

And they gave them bahamut

[umbral seal]

Absolutely not

[gritty anvil]

no ?

[umbral seal]

You will get your ass blasted by aggro if you're going second

You want to go first

[gritty anvil]

oh

well i though second is now pretty good

[teal rain]

i disagree

[gritty anvil]

because of playpoints

i guess not

[teal rain]

dragons break points

[umbral seal]

It's better than it was but it's still a disadvantage to go second

[teal rain]

are all better going second

[umbral seal]

There are certain turns where you can swing tempo back with the extra pt

But personally

I'd rather always go first

[teal rain]

there are no plays for dragon on first

ur always chasing tempi anways

[umbral seal]

You don't need plays on the first

[teal rain]

second provides more necessary benefits

[gritty anvil]

well any type of aggro def want to go first

like storm dragon sword abysscraft

[umbral seal]

You're really not, though

[gritty anvil]

slower decks prefer second i think

[umbral seal]

You want first so the opponent, who more than likely is playing an aggressive list, doesn't have insane tempo from the jump

[teal rain]

yes u are, u almost never have board control, if you do, ur playing against rune or ur hand is fucked

[umbral seal]

🤦🏾‍♂️ I don't know why I'm arguing with low rank players. You got it, bud.

[teal rain]

how tf does rank matter in this game?

its literally play time

[gritty anvil]

well it doesnt have to do anything with rank if we are hardstuck ramp dragon

its just class

not us

and those who are at higher ranks

playing only ramp

propably grinded the shit out of it

[teal rain]

I wish they show winrate in this game

[gritty anvil]

they propably figured out decently balanced ramp decklist vs their meta

[teal rain]

so people cant talk out of their ass

[gritty anvil]

btw this shows how dragon isnt popular at all

[cursive crypt]

dw today imma hit 20k diamond

[gritty anvil]

oh it using my language but u guys know what it mean

[umbral seal]

You could have all the time in the world and not be diamond A0, lil' homie.

In fact, groups are literally not playtime

[gritty anvil]

pretty sure there are ramp dragons in diamond

[umbral seal]

Correct, and I roll them

[gritty anvil]

but question is do they really only play ramp dragon

[umbral seal]

All the dragons I see at my rank are storm

I'm not kidding

[gritty anvil]

thing is ramp dragon can beat portal or rune even sword if its not too aggresive

but its like

never consistent

ramp dragon dont have really oh i win this match up

[umbral seal]

@teal rain

Pls show me where you're at in 60 hrs

[teal rain]

no life

kinda sad

[umbral seal]

I enjoy the game

[teal rain]

its been out 4 days

[umbral seal]

I'm aware.

[teal rain]

15 hrs a day is so degenerate

[gritty anvil]

that doesnt say much u can have also SV on background running its not always playtime im not saying u doing that just saying

[umbral seal]

This is true. It also runs if you don't close it correctly

I learned this the hard way

That being said, most of these hrs are grinding ldder

[unkempt lava]

What happened to jenazad vod

[gritty anvil]

what

bingo missions arent time limited?

its there forever ?

pog second balto more stuff for aggro abyss

12 left

all f2p

[pastel spoke]

Anyone wanna play soccer

[umbral seal]

That's a thing?

[pastel spoke]

Yeah

[umbral seal]

Also, whip, you in my guild, right?

[pastel spoke]

no

I’m in a Hawaiian guild

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-gif-17757829955793531760

[umbral seal]

Join mine

[pastel spoke]

I have Hawaiian homies

[warped granite]

swordverse

[unkempt lava]

Ok note to self. If you draw 5 but have 4 in deck you lose to deck out

[pastel spoke]

Lmao

[warped granite]

oh there is still deckout i see

[unkempt lava]

My kuon was at the bottom of my deck and coctyus

And i had exactly 4 cards remaining

Unlucky

[warped granite]

so streamer got addicted to SV and didn't start stream?

[cursive crypt]

he's practising offstream so he can show up tomorrow to still be bad

[unkempt lava]

Lacari i know you lurk here. Fix your fucking deck first

[lone agate]

maybe he deranked, cant stream until he recovers

[umbral seal]

I could help him out but I doubt he'd let me

[unkempt lava]

You need to be professional lolicraft 1 trick

[warped granite]

I got my housemate addicted too - "nice to have a toilet game" he has been playing since 4 hours ago

[cursive crypt]

lacari is too stubborn he thinks he can make a deck

[warped granite]

also i was grinding the CPU decks for gold that took a loong time

at least i got another olivia out of it

[umbral seal]

I'm not the best roach player but I did play a fair bit of it in SV1

Only differences now are your bounce sources and the fact that roach costs 3 instead of 2 now

But you always have to calculate and plan ahead for lethal

[wild gale]

2 cost roaches annihilate

[unkempt lava]

Math yes

[wild gale]

But tbf in SV1 a lot of other bullshit existed too

[umbral seal]

If you have 2 roaches in hand, it's not uncommon to just die to aggro

[unkempt lava]

The bullshit comes a lot later in this game right

[cursive crypt]

u dont need math bro

just play all ur cards

[pastel spoke]

Hi lacari

[pastel spoke]

This is what I do and I have a 20% wr

Kinda bummed that there’s no vania leader

[warped granite]

vania was also not in the OG in the first SV

so we have hope they will follow precedence

....right?

[umbral seal]

Also, I already knew abe was wrong about phildau but the more I play

The more I realize this card is also the goat

In addition to Jeno

[cursive crypt]

2 mana do nothing

[umbral seal]

2 mana 2/2 on curve is already fine. On evo, he gets through a lot of shit very efficiently for 2 mana

[pastel spoke]

I’m scared of what they’ll do
After I peeped the shop

[cursive crypt]

no need for math just play your whole hand

[umbral seal]

Doing things efficiently turn after turn will slowly but surely build your advantage until you win

[umbral seal]

This was good, but you definitely did at least a bit of calculating to make sure you had enough mana for this.

[cursive crypt]

my thought process was
I have 9 mana and a roach he gotta be dead

proceeds to card him to death

[umbral seal]

Well, if he wasn't, you definitely were next turn

Kinda had to go all in

[cursive crypt]

yeah there was nothing else to do

lacari would have roped that turn and missed it though

[hazy lily]

one day

my medusa will survive

and hit face 3 times

i'm certain

dunno what to take to climb tbh

have every card in the game except one legi

but theres not really a class i enjoy as much as blood in sv1

tbh

[cursive crypt]

didnt u spend money just play artifact with orchis

[hazy lily]

i dont wanna play arti

doko desuka

abyss feels so weak

i wanna play it, cuz you wont run into any mirror matches ever

but it feels so awful

[cursive crypt]

it is yeah

[hazy lily]

maybe need to think a bit more about how to play it

[bright silo]

just climb with abyss

or portal

[cursive crypt]

no finishers and abys's cheap cards are too bad

so getting a board is not easy

[hazy lily]

and once you have it

artifact y

[bright silo]

you have cerberus

[cursive crypt]

if abyss's units have 4 hp instead of 3 it'd be ok vs arti

cerb is so bad

[hazy lily]

whats our trihard playing