that shit op
#Metaphor: Refantazio
fallen aspen
with the exception of berg that has 3 turn icons synthesis skills I used that on everyone
heavy ether
I probably should have used it on berg for the teamwide magic/phys barrier
fading briar
late game spoilers (do not click! 
compact mountain
fading briar
ok its time to make room for ||bas in my party||
(late game spoilers)
yo, does anyone know if ||almighty damage || scales off of str, mg or both like in smt v?
fallen aspen
yo, does anyone know if ||almighty damage || scales off of str, mg or both like ...
The ||Prince ||archetype|| almighty damage|| skills scale with whatever dmg stat is the highest
the rest from what I'm aware of scale depending if the description states "physical" or "magic"
safe swallow
heavy ether
fading briar
HOLY SHIT
i finally beat ||sogne|| (late game spoilers)
that was a pain in the ass
used up almost all my consumables
sheeeeeeeesh that was fun tho
fading briar
i just noticed this thing in the grand trad
heavy ether
Think they have those as well in the title screen 
fading briar
||the leadup to|| (VERY LATE GAME SPOILERS ⚠️ ) the || prince archetype || was peak
heavy ether
night sand
||the leadup to|| (VERY LATE GAME SPOILERS ⚠️ ) the || prince archetype || was p...
merchant
fading briar
https://tenor.com/view/metaphor-metaphor-refantazio-refantazio-brigitta-metaphor...
i need one more rank til max for bridgette
heavy ether
time to max out courage
night sand
best character
lost prairie
I lost motivation to play after unlocking 3 eye girl 
timid gale
I lost motivation to play after unlocking 3 eye girl <a:Aware:895925222933401600...
get back on it
last phoenix
fading briar
LFFFGGGGG
beat that || fire dragons|| ass
(LATE GAME SPOILERS BEWARE BEWAR\E)
||LOUIS IM COMING FOR YOU||
(late game spoilers)
heavy ether
alright, it really came out pretty fucked up though, gotta admit
last phoenix
I haven't even passed 9/11 
still further than lacari though
heavy ether
no need to rush, just enjoy 
last phoenix
Yeah been loving it and eupha is bae
last phoenix
I have a feeling her JP voice isn't supposed to be that deep but I love her EN voice as it is
||Welsh dragon worshippers though||, I have to tip my hat to the localiser
last phoenix
||because Wales has a dragon in its flag||
heavy ether
makes sense
last phoenix
Yeah all EU voice works except MC and gallica
All UK rather
Not EU anymore technically 
last phoenix
There might be few Irish here and there I can't be sure 100% too but yeah
It's quite good in EN if you wanna do a new game +
Maybe because it's fantasy it's not as jarring to play in English for me
last phoenix
I like that they varied it up a bit so you don't just hear the pompous London accent
Reserved only for Mr Louis
heavy ether
ofc he has that 
idk it will be hard for me to see them with a new VA
the original VA worked out pretty well honestly
last phoenix
More than that I really do enjoy the story and the social commentary so far, it's quite nuanced for Atlus
Bet let's see I still have half the game in front of me
heavy ether
rotund junco
Plain before u finish the game I suggest unlocking as many archetypes for every character as u can cause the MAG needed to learn one is tripled in regicide difficulty
fading briar
Plain before u finish the game I suggest unlocking as many archetypes for every ...
thats very good to know ty
fading briar
i was farming the mimic that drops jewels until i almost maxed out mc and strohl
but quit to do the final dungeon which is where im currently at
i also wasnt able to get to rank 8 and 6 for || bas|| and cath
tho
rotund junco
Just gonna save you some grind for ng+ cuz I started mine yesterday and realized I'm a dumbass lol
fading briar
its locked at regicide so u cant lower the difficulty for ng+ rite?
rotund junco
i also wasnt able to get to rank 8 and 6 for || bas|| and cath
Out of time? That's unlucky, I was cutting it tight cause I had like 1 day left before I challenged the final dungeon lol
If you want to start ng+ it needs to be regicide I'm pretty sure
fading briar
Out of time? That's unlucky, I was cutting it tight cause I had like 1 day left ...
yeeah i kinda got my ass beat fighting the ||trial bosses|| so i had to leave a couple times
rotund junco
yeeah i kinda got my ass beat fighting the ||trial bosses|| so i had to leave a ...
I didn't do them at first, then I loaded my save from the start of the last month and then just grinded levels for like 2-3 hours lol
I was level 60 or something and couldn't kill shit
marsh crane
last phoenix
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DAq6pk9yG_F/ hmm hulkenberg
Instagram
heavy ether
martira delicacy
timid gale
Eupha
sick briar
wife
timid gale
I just finished the dragon Temple
night sand
that was a pretty good side quest
last phoenix
Canon wife 
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DBmKJwntywd/ ok this one I'm not sure even hulkenberg can eat
Instagram
heavy ether
sick briar
ngl i think its gonna be mid and be used for the DLC or rerelease of this game
bleak pagoda
played some more, beat the island dungeon probably one of my overall favorites so far
doing eupha's side quest right after was annoying though
bleak pagoda
beat ice dragon
man what the hell did they do to this part of the game it feels like they cut content
you get a party member and you don't even get time to try them out before a big boss it feels like there should be a dungeon or something between this
night bane
yeah the academy would've been a perfect dungeon i feel
bleak pagoda
but funnily enough
the boss was really fun
and if there was a dungeon it'd probably be too easy
so silver lining I guess
but I did want a dungeon 
night bane
sick briar
they are busy thinking of a name to rerelease the game with extra content
tulip gust
Metaphor: Kingmaker
bleak pagoda
finally at the point where I can do side content for a month
I was real annoyed before about how they did the story pacing with 2-3 hours of VN story with maybe 5 mins of gameplay and then the actual time management gameplay
but it ended up being better after dragon temple I think
and they really want you to go for the heroic embodiments huh 
doesn't feel like you can spec your party to follow a different path
i guess the game is easy enough that you can do wahtever you want
proud torrent
i guess the game is easy enough that you can do wahtever you want
true, heroic embodiments is a design mistake other than the prince imo, the prince has some "story relevancy" and is somewhat versatile the other embodiments serve to completely box in the characters into a specific role if you grind enough to obtain them, id say they also induce a sense of "you are supposed to do this" so even if you decide to do something else you are (with a bit of hyperbole) guilt-tripped to work towards them
bleak pagoda
yeah, unless the final dungeon is hard so far its all pretty easy even on hard difficulty which is pretty standard for atlus. So it ultimately doesn't matter too much
proud torrent
i thought the very last stretch was somewhat difficult but I didn't do a single battle other than guest/mandatory battles (+ optional bosses in the final dungeon) ever since martira, if you avoid the optional bosses the final bosses might put up some fight even if you´we grinded a little
bleak pagoda
okay finally got around to doing most of the side content. the three towers and the final dungeon are left
and 1 follower event
sick briar
there is some side stuff at the final boss area that weakens the boss dont forget to do those
fading briar
okay finally got around to doing most of the side content. the three towers and ...
have fun
bleak pagoda
final dungeon is an exp mine just progressing through it
bleak pagoda
okay nevermind what I thought was the final dungeon was not the final dungeon. typical jrpg
night bane
i got baited too
bleak pagoda
well I'll go do the rest some other time
bleak pagoda
fuck lvl 88 teeth
bleak pagoda
i really shouldn't have grinded in the last area to unlock things
should have just headed straight to the boss
got my MC to 100% archetype and even that was boring
gonna pull a lacari and touch this game in a month just to beat final boss
rotund junco
yea if u grinded for a 100% mc ur gonna be bored af by the end of it
bleak pagoda
yeah I'm burnt out a bit I don't really want to touch the game to get it over with
i'll go play something else and come back later
fading briar
ye good to take a break
night bane
good ass break and then clean it up
bleak pagoda
I can tell if I finish it off now I'll tune out the story and just skip through it
bleak pagoda
okay finally got around to beating it. honestly the break didnt change much I was tapped out by the end
most of the game was okay
i think I'd prefer playing persona over metaphor honestly
a harder version of persona would be top
last phoenix
you reminded me i need to continue this game, was distracted by the saga-world
last phoenix
after rs2 remake i finished saga frontier, i didn't get the game as a kid but i enjoyed it this time around
playing scarlet grace now so far so good
bleak pagoda
nice
last phoenix
after rs2 remake i finished saga frontier, i didn't get the game as a kid but i ...
and still replaying because the game has like 6? characters so i replay it with a different character
bleak pagoda
i think having beaten metaphor now I don't think the game would ever deserve game of the year I feel like thats just prior reputation of the studio
last phoenix
i think I'd prefer playing persona over metaphor honestly
what's +- of persona vs. metaphor you think?
bleak pagoda
its still good just not great
persona has a better concept of mixing the time management mechanics of your daily life with the overall story
it doesnt really fit well at all in metaphor and feels like it was just added in just because thats the style of their past games. having said that, metaphor is much better at doing the time management
metaphors time management felt balanced enough and comparable to persona 3
last phoenix
ah yeah the teleportation ship is too much of an asspull for me as a story device
bleak pagoda
in terms of battle metaphor is better than most persona games
last phoenix
idk if there are more lore on it in the 2nd half of the game
bleak pagoda
if persona had the press turn combat system I think I'd be pretty happy with the series
as it is now persona 3 is the only one I think really does the idea of living one year of your life combined with battling in a dungeon well
4 and 5 are just 'we took 3 and made it easier and more bearable so therefore its good'
in terms of combat I mean
last phoenix
yeah i remember p3 has a more realistic party system like sometimes your party members aren't up for it and you can't pick them etc.
bleak pagoda
i think metaphor should have had a romance system I think it would ahve been fine and honestly it felt like they actually did have one but then decided to remove it for some reason
i think archetypes were novel but kind of a jank system especially in the last third of the game
having demons feels better
social links dont offer enough level to level
sometimes you'll just have levels where you get some bonus you really dont care about or cant even take advantage of
whereas in persona you always benefited because it gave an exp bonus
so yeah I think a game that was a combination of persona 3 and some parts of metaphor probably would be my ideal version
last phoenix
metaphor (smt lite) combat system should stay i think it's sick
bleak pagoda
yeah that part I liked
persona's combat system sucks honestly, 3's only worked because of all the stuff around it
not because of it specifically
last phoenix
haven't finished all links but the ones I did finish tbh I feel didn't have much depth like Strohl or Hulk idk
bleak pagoda
and they havent figured out how to balance the game so that the difficulty continues after the first 20% of the game
there were only a few boss fights in metaphor that I felt were fun and challenging
last phoenix
I honestly just can't get over the teleporting ship ig
bleak pagoda
yeah its dumb
again its a 'we need to explain how you can play the game like its persona but in this new fantasy world'
last phoenix
and they havent figured out how to balance the game so that the difficulty conti...
classig atlus
bleak pagoda
so overall, pretty good game, not great. not game of the year material and the pacing sucked in the second half
best dungeon was the dragon temple in the island area
and maybe the cathedral was okay
last phoenix
so game's downhill after dragon temple? that isn't promising 
bleak pagoda
its not downhill its just paced weird
bleak pagoda
my favorite fight was a while after the dragon temple
because it was actually challenging for that point
but overall its paced like they ran out of budget
but i mean if they had done it wellt hen the game would have been way too long
because its long enough as it is
so its a hard problem
i don't think I'll ever play metaphor again even if there was an expansion, but I dunno we'll see.
last phoenix
I genuinely believe they should do away with social links in next metaphor iteration, I guess that's my pet topic
bleak pagoda
i could get behind that
i dont really think you need the persona mechanics
it was just an obligation they felt like they had to do
unless they change the style of metaphor to literally be living in a fantasy city
but if you're going on a typical hero adventure then I think they're better off thinking of new mechanics instead of just doing fantasy persona
or adapt it to that sort of game
i honestly would rather just play OG P3 again
heavy ether
its not downhill its just paced weird
Ngl I did feel the same way after dragon temple. My guess is budget or time constraints.
Ah you mention it when I scrolled down lol
bleak pagoda
fringe mortar
i think archetypes were novel but kind of a jank system especially in the last t...
nah isn't it only jank cuz of the stupid requirements for some archetypes?
like I think the system would be fine if you didn't need LVL 20 KNIGHT LVL 20 WIZARD LVL 20 ASSASSIN for every lategame class
or like the jank ass unlock system where u literally can't get some classes like tycoon until after they completely fell off
would like to see unlock quests tied to level for classes
2nd half pacing was off yeah
felt like it peaked at the operahouse
then imo was downhill from there
bleak pagoda
nah isn't it only jank cuz of the stupid requirements for some archetypes?
yes to those points, which is already a lot, but also the fact that royal types basically hard lock your characters to specific types of classes rather than letting you try different builds in the last third of the game. like the option is there so technically you could still do it but the moment you realize that you have royal types its kind of useless right? why even waste your time doing it.
everything else I typed in that still applies to archetypes, a demon system means you could allow an exp bonus from leveling your social links (like in persona) whereas a lvl 20 cap makes it harder to justify that without seeming overpowered
fringe mortar
yes to those points, which is already a lot, but also the fact that royal types ...
yeah I really dislike the royal classes and think they shouldn't be specific character bound
but I think the system works well if they're removed from teh game
instead of having persona with no weaknesses, archetypes are forced into mitigating only some of their weaknesses
admittedly, you don't actually need any of the busted personas to complete the game except for maybe the super boss?
but it's still way easier to completely break the game
bleak pagoda
but it's still way easier to completely break the game
yeah but thats because the combat system in persona is easy not because of the personas themselves.
fringe mortar
nah I mean u can also make way more broken shit
like the all reflect heat riser buffbot
iirc you could only patch like 1/2 weakness in metaphor and then to do so you're giving up pretty significant dmg
it's been a hot minute since I played
bleak pagoda
iirc you could only patch like 1/2 weakness in metaphor and then to do so you're...
but I mean at that point you could also just get the half turn cost synergy accessory or the end round if miss stuff as well. There's a lot of exploitable stuff in metaphor as well
I'm really more focused on archetypes in general I just think the way they did it in the game wasn't as good as everyone was saying and as it could have been
if it was a hybrid I would probably be more fine with it
also its dumb to me that in the game you're encouraged to unlock an archetype and then pump it with exp so you don't get a stat loss when changing jobs
rather than just instantly changing to it and benefiting from it
heavy ether
Monk chanting intensifies
compact mountain
X
fading briar
sick briar
I have to reinstall the game 
timid gale
Yeah it's so stupid
stone mango
@upper pecan 💀
upper pecan
This channel alone has more messages than all of yours combined
You're like a slug, late, slow, boring, and useless
last phoenix
I haven't finished it all this time
fading briar
I haven't finished it all this time <:TrollDespair:898626002006208523>
it has a || nice ending ||
last phoenix
I'll finish it after I get my new laptop or PC
timid gale
here comes the 70 dollar extended content version of the game
last phoenix
They said they weren't gonna do it but if they do I'm gonna laugh
compact mountain
i forgot how to play this game
same man, I stopped playing it just before the last boss
Now I can't remember how to play to kill the damn thing and finish the game
