Advanced; Custom Sandboxing, Port Forward or other

[tame crystal]

In simpler terms, without the need of a secondary server... something like...

Firefox is open source...

Can I copy Firefox application, remove its connecting guts from its source,

Then have it "physically" connect like a mirror to the other firefox-with-internet
Where I choose what information is in/out with the first?

I guess the question is, how do I get the cloned application to act as a mirror to the standard application, and have them connect to each other, simultaneously in real time and have one filter information?

[idle rock]

if you're savvy enough, sure you can modify/add new code stuff to the Firefox codebase.
by the way, the thing you wanted to do can be done using containers or virtual machines.

[tame crystal]

Yeah I have no idea how to do that stuff.
Simultaneously connect a cloned app to the original and filter information while their functions are mirrored?

[idle rock]

"Simultaneously connect a cloned app to the original and filter information while their functions are mirrored? "
what do you mean by this?

windows doesn't have a feature like Android or iPhone, but you can always run a program as a different user

[tame crystal]

Well that'd be what I mean, I don't know how to do that

[idle rock]

I don't understand what you are trying to do. when you say cloned app, I'd imagine feature like Android or iPhone

[tame crystal]

I've already explained it?

[idle rock]

The explanation doesn't make much sense and the only matching feature is available on Android or iPhone that I can think of

[tame crystal]

Well I don't really know how to do that so I can't explain it in any specific way other than in general which I already did

You said it's possible with containers or virtual machine program

App is just application or exe

[pale ridge]

this makes no sense, if you want a forwareded xserver from linux world or a vnc connection, a proxy, or your own vpn

this makes no sense

[tame crystal]

Nevermind

[pale ridge]

bru, just describe what you want

if you wana rip at the internals of chromium you can do that too

[tame crystal]

I don't know really
I don't even know what a container is

[pale ridge]

ye but like explain why youwant this

as in what is should accomplish rather than how

[tame crystal]

I already said everything

[pale ridge]

but why did you want it to be cloned, that makes no sense

do you just wana access on two pcs?

do you wana access internet like your there

[tame crystal]

I don't think you understand

[pale ridge]

do you wana copy config

[pale ridge]

because you didnt explain, you only said how you wanted to do it, not why

[tame crystal]

Network security

Or pc security

[pale ridge]

make your own vpn then

it is cheaper, easier, and uses less network

*network bandwidth

[tame crystal]

VPN is still connected to website etc

Doesn't have specific filters

Only generic

And doesn't really have much quality

[pale ridge]

what dose this mean?

they can forward all network data to another pc

[tame crystal]

It is just a silly function

[pale ridge]

or preferably server running a linux based os

[tame crystal]

In addition my idea is better

[pale ridge]

vpns are literly designed for that

[pale ridge]

HOW, its slower, less efficient, and if you think your gonna stream jpegs with encryption over the internet with any speed, your crazy

but......

https://www.kasmweb.com/community-edition

this is what you wanted......

please dont use this, please just self host a vpn

[pale ridge]

you can set them if you self host

you can do anythign if you self host

[pale ridge]

and how would this make it more secure?

I just think your confused..... can you please anser the questions?

[tame crystal]

Because hacker doesn't know source

[pale ridge]

I wana help, but I dont know what is confusing you

[tame crystal]

They have no direct access

[pale ridge]

who is hacking you? the nsa?

[tame crystal]

As everything is indirect and hidden

Well even bots and spam

[pale ridge]

then a self hosted vpn would work

[pale ridge]

how dose this help bots and spam?

[tame crystal]

Malware etc

Information from network is sent to bogus duplicate copy browser or exe, where primary filters it and sends receives whatever

[pale ridge]

if your scared of malware, your in the wrong server.....
https://www.qubes-os.org/
https://tails.net/ -- if you want to be secure irl, also remove the polarizer layer and make glasses out of it

use tor

[pale ridge]

but how do you plan to do that......

like that is functionaly useless and slower

if you want somthing like that, use vnc

[tame crystal]

Wdym?

[pale ridge]

A. if you want to run it on a diff computer, and steam it, use smth like vnc
B. if you want a os that is fresh every time, use kasm or tails
C. if you want to host it off site and forward data, use vpn
D. if you want to just run everything in a vm and never run anything your self, use https://www.qubes-os.org/
E. who are you thinking you stoping, no one cares abt most people, and I dont think this is the security you should be scared of

[tame crystal]

Anything that has IP addresses in its code is something I don't trust lol unless it's to connect WAN

[pale ridge]

so..... all software is malware

[tame crystal]

? No

[pale ridge]

what isnt then

because almost everything today uses the internet

[tame crystal]

What isn't what

Exactly?

[pale ridge]

I dont know how you expect this to work, windows has ip addresses hard coded, it even spys on you, but you are still here

wana boot linux; build it from source?

[tame crystal]

I'm not on pc

I've already explained this is going in circles

[pale ridge]

so..... android? macos?
google - apple - microsoft

they are all the same, at least google copied the linux source code, but still the os you run is not open

(android is, but most roms that are preapplied are not)

[pale ridge]

your talking about is nonsense, and you refuse to explain, and if your not on windows then what did you mean by: App is just application or exe today? you cant run exe on anything but windows (we arnt talking about wine here)

and what do you want to filter?

firefox would still need internet to clone the other, but it would just be slower....

what are you trying to prevent

if you want data to not be related to you, just use tor, its based on firefox (the browser tor, not cli)

[tame crystal]

I'm not on my pc right now is what I meant
It was the other person who mentioned they only know of android or other os to have a feature like I've explained, and I said app meant exe

Clearly I don't want third party.
I want my own way

[pale ridge]

so.... you wana have firefox, running on windows, connect to another device, running windows, who will forward the (what exactly) over the internet to your computer

because I still dont see how a vpn or vnc wont solve this

or how this is secure even, its still almost exactly the same

[tame crystal]

The cloned application is a filter that also retrieves and sends, while the other that doesn't connect acts as a physical firewall while it's functions are mirrored virtually

Anything that goes into the "physical barrier/firewall" stays there and can't do anything

There's nowhere for it to go and nothing it can do

[pale ridge]

what would if filter?

how would it forward stuff?

what would go to the first computer????

you know this would add a lot of extra time between interactions and stuff right.....

[tame crystal]

Like I said there's more to it

Like blocking ram access in ways, etc

[pale ridge]

ok, but how do you think you can do that.....

[tame crystal]

Wdym?

That's what I was asking
How to copy an app, and attach it to another etc

[pale ridge]

you cant stop sophisticated attacks, even if you think

[pale ridge]

I mean how do you expect to do it?

I feal like you dont know how this works / how data would have to forwarded

[tame crystal]

Well it could be port forwarding but I'd have to know how what I want is done first

[pale ridge]

well, did you wana run the html / js on your computer or on proxy (middle server)
did you wana forward images from the other
did you wana forward html / css / run js on proxy?

how should the filter work?

how do you think you can "block ram access"? what dose that mean?

[tame crystal]

I don't know yet

[pale ridge]

if you dont know the answer to any of those, I cant help you, no one can

you dont have what you even want, you just want somthing that you think could work

[tame crystal]

Uh I never said I did

[pale ridge]

if you wana use somthing like I said, it still wont be safe if you are using a normal network card, and booting windows; it will still talk to the internet, so you wana use somthing else / make your own network card / mod the kernal of linux to disable wifi execpt a exact wifi address

[tame crystal]

If nothing is safe, then how is anything safe?

[pale ridge]

it isnt, cybersecurity is not about making everything safe, its about trying to secure things and recovering when you inevitably fail

[tame crystal]

Yeah but if you hide apps from windows it can't be read

[pale ridge]

windows is running in the kernal, you cant hide things from it; you have to make your own kernal for that

there is no hiding things

[tame crystal]

How do you hide a network from wifi 😑 then say well How do I hide an app?

Only people with knowledge of it have access

[pale ridge]

what?

you cant do nearly any of what you want, and anything can still be "hacked" if its at all connected to the internet or has people with access

[tame crystal]

There's connecting to the internet, then there's connecting to a domain that's untrusted

That's different

.??

[pale ridge]

A domain is just a ip
an ip is just a number that the computer talks to over (gerneraly) ipv4
if you have internet you can connect to ip addresses and use tcp (generaly ig you could filter certain ones, but if smth is on that pc, or somthing pretends to be said device, then your screwed)

[tame crystal]

Huh? Wha?

Isn't that what I mean?

[pale ridge]

I dont know, you make no sense, your messages are crazy......

with internet someone could access a domain

[tame crystal]

Yup
So if I only want to retrieve certain information I'd filter the rest out

[pale ridge]

yes, but any software level filter would not work

it could be bypassed

[tame crystal]

Nah

[pale ridge]

yea

[tame crystal]

Nah.

How do you think it would

[pale ridge]

you could intercept the tcp packet and respond with a fake response, man in the middleing it

there is no good option, I dont think you get that

[tame crystal]

That's manual effort

[pale ridge]

so.....

I am getting tierd, but if you just run a vm with everything like cubes dose, then your fine for the most part

[tame crystal]

Ok