Installing windows OS onto new Sata via USB not working | Microsoft Community [Unofficial] | Page 1

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 10:57 AM

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I guess to add more details I want to say that basically I am on a laptop, a Acer Nitro 5, AN515-55, which came with windows 10 and a 256gb m.2 SSD stock, I learned that you can not "migrate" m.2 > sata, only sata > m.2, because regardless of the fact that they were both 4k sector sizes, I guess it's a round hole square peg scenario... So my solution was thought then to completely install windows fresh onto the sata drive

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To do this I had downloaded the windows 10 version media launch installer to a Samsung USB, and then had to disable the Acer nitro 5 secured boot loader, via holding F2 on boot I navigated to make myself a supervisor password in my security, then in the boot options I disabled secure boot, then I removed my password from the supervisor security, and finally I went into the main settings and turned on F12 for boot menu option. I restarted and hold down F12, received the correct boot menu and selected the Samsung USB.

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Windows seems to completely install... And as you can see it gets to the next screen to restart and finalize... But then for no reason I get that blue error

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I'm tempted to yank my OS drive out and try again?

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tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 8:24 PM

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sinful sail Jul 13, 2023, 8:38 PM

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I don't think the process you went through was normally necessary. Secure boot should be on the entire time during your installation process

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 8:39 PM

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hmm

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i'll give it a try ty

tacit slate Jul 13, 2023, 8:41 PM

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was the machine already encrypted beforehand?

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if it was, you probably didn't actually do a full reinstall, you performed an inplace install

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which means the drive is still encrypted, with the old credentials from the old install

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you need the recovery key, or to completely wipe the drive

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 8:43 PM

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what do u mean

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i'm so confused hold on

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so like whats the recovery key

tacit slate Jul 13, 2023, 8:43 PM

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it means you booted up an encrypted drive, then reinstalled windows on it without saving the key anywhere, and then after the next reboot your system is not accessible anymore

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because it's encrypted

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 8:44 PM

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yeah i just tried it again withyout the secured boot off, i re-enabled it and it still doesnt' install

tacit slate Jul 13, 2023, 8:44 PM

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the recovery key is a backdoor key to access the hardware decryption key

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 8:44 PM

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is there a way to wipe it?

tacit slate Jul 13, 2023, 8:44 PM

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yeah

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 8:44 PM

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i mean i feel like i kinda did wipe it formatting it

tacit slate Jul 13, 2023, 8:44 PM

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ah if you are sure you did

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 8:44 PM

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i used mini-tool partition wizard also to "wipe"

tacit slate Jul 13, 2023, 8:45 PM

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then you probably just need to clear the secure boot keys

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or tpm keys

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or whatever they're called

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 8:45 PM

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i'm willing to try anything at this point what do i do

tacit slate Jul 13, 2023, 8:45 PM

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there should be an option next to or near the secure boot option called "factory reset tpm key"

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or something like that

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or just "delete tpm key"

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 8:45 PM

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secure boot option.... hmmm

tacit slate Jul 13, 2023, 8:45 PM

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varies depending on manufacturer

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 8:46 PM

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if u dont mind i'm gonna send some pics for u to look at

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tell me where to go

tacit slate Jul 13, 2023, 8:46 PM

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sure

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 8:47 PM

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tacit slate Jul 13, 2023, 8:47 PM

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security or boot

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 8:47 PM

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tacit slate Jul 13, 2023, 8:48 PM

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there

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in security

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"restore secure boot to factory default"

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but also

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you may need to reinstall again after that

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 8:48 PM

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its not letting me goto that option?

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do i need a password again?

tacit slate Jul 13, 2023, 8:49 PM

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hm

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now that you mention it

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almost that entire page is greyed out?

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 8:49 PM

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that seemed to let me do it

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it was untill i made a supervisor pw

tacit slate Jul 13, 2023, 8:49 PM

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I see, weird

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 8:50 PM

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ok so i hit enter on that, and it asked me if i wanted to restore and i said yes

tacit slate Jul 13, 2023, 8:50 PM

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nice

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that should clear everything out so that you can reinstall from scratch

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but also uhm

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 8:50 PM

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so you think i can try to reinstall?

tacit slate Jul 13, 2023, 8:50 PM

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your second drive there

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did you have data you want to save on it?

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 8:50 PM

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no

tacit slate Jul 13, 2023, 8:50 PM

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ah ok

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 8:50 PM

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i've already formatted 10x

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tried 100x to get this to work

tacit slate Jul 13, 2023, 8:50 PM

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ok nice then go ahead and try to boot

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 8:51 PM

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ok

tacit slate Jul 13, 2023, 8:51 PM

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if windows doesn't work now, just boot from the USB and do a quick reinstall

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delete all partitions

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select empty space

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then spam next and it should be gucci

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 8:51 PM

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so i can delete the former os drive?

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will that help?

tacit slate Jul 13, 2023, 8:51 PM

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always do that

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that is the proper way to do a reinstall

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if you select the same drive again, it's not going to do a full reinstall

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it's going to do an in-place reinstall

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you need to remove the partition

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preferably all the partitions

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 8:52 PM

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so i format the old drive and then install onto the new drive

tacit slate Jul 13, 2023, 8:52 PM

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yeah delete all partitions on all drives

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 8:52 PM

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understood

tacit slate Jul 13, 2023, 8:52 PM

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so you only have drive 0 empty space and drive 1 empty space

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then pick one of the empty spaces, and windows will automatically partition all the required partitions

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 8:53 PM

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crossing my fingers please work

tacit slate Jul 13, 2023, 8:53 PM

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it should be fine after that :)

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 8:54 PM

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so it gives me an option for delete

tacit slate Jul 13, 2023, 8:54 PM

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it's just bitlocker can be a bit tricky to reset to a blank state if you're not used to it

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yeah delete all of them

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 8:58 PM

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super weird but it re-installed onto the original drive despite my choice

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Or maybe I'm crazy

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No that looks like it's right

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Do I need to go into my boot menu and redirect my drive to boot now?

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It seems like... It worked I think

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But I don't get an option to switch boots

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@tacit slate

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What I will say... Is it did not give me the blue error

tacit slate Jul 13, 2023, 9:01 PM

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tardy dune super weird but it re-installed onto the original drive despite my choice

that's exactly why you need to use the delete button on this screen to clear it completely xd

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 9:02 PM

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I did

tacit slate Jul 13, 2023, 9:02 PM

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it will sometimes go like "oh there's a windows bootloader on this drive and it points to a different partition so let's just overwrite that install instead"

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 9:02 PM

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It became that unallocated

tacit slate Jul 13, 2023, 9:02 PM

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yeah

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installing over unallocated space is the best practice to make sure it selects a fresh install

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 9:03 PM

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Says in that photo drive 2 now has multiple partitions like it ought too

tacit slate Jul 13, 2023, 9:03 PM

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ah that's the 2TB one

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 9:03 PM

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But when the install finished it restarted and brought me back to the USB boot

tacit slate Jul 13, 2023, 9:03 PM

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but why is that also bootable?

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yeah you probably need to set your boot options

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but if you installed on drive 1 unallocated space

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you now have two bootable drives with windows installed on each

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just so you know

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I think probably two separate bootloaders as well

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where one knows about the other and the other doesn't

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 9:05 PM

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so i want to remove physically drive 1

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drive 2 is staying

tacit slate Jul 13, 2023, 9:05 PM

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ah

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 9:05 PM

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and currently drive 1 should be empty unallocated

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its going into a external enclosure

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acting as a usb

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but ive got a m.2 for it's place 2t after this

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i want my os on the sata drive first

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but u helped me get this far... and i believe we maanaged to install windows on to drive 2

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but i do not see drive 2 as a boot option in that last photo i sent

tacit slate Jul 13, 2023, 9:06 PM

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hm

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it might be corrupt

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it might be an install without bootloader

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just try again until it sticks :D

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 9:07 PM

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i will say previously drive 1 had 4 petitions

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and now drive 2 has 3

tacit slate Jul 13, 2023, 9:07 PM

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I'm pretty sure your TPM keys are reset properly at least so you should be good to go once you figure out the install :)

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 9:08 PM

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hmmm....

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so recommended i simply re-install and try again

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yeah same thing again

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its weird

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i don't see the fat32 partition that used to be on the drive 1

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it was tiny

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like a bootloader, i would pressume

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Here I'll find a photo of before

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tacit slate Jul 13, 2023, 9:14 PM

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yeah that's a bootloader

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I think the bitlocker bootloader

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that loads the initial encryption stuff

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at least I think that's how I remember it works

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:D

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 9:15 PM

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How might you suggest I get another lol

tacit slate Jul 13, 2023, 9:15 PM

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just re-enable bitlocker

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 9:15 PM

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?

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Plz details

tacit slate Jul 13, 2023, 9:15 PM

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bitlocker is a full drive encryption system

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it encrypts your entire drive

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plus encrypts your bootloader

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and replaces it with a different encrypted bootloader

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it is what the old install had

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 9:16 PM

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Ok so I need it

tacit slate Jul 13, 2023, 9:16 PM

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I dunno

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do you need it?

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 9:16 PM

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Umm... Where do I go?

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I assume I do?

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If that's how I had it

tacit slate Jul 13, 2023, 9:17 PM

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it's encryption

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so that nobody can access your data if they steal your laptop

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it's entirely optional, but it's a great feature to enable if you ever need it

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you enable it inside windows though

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 9:18 PM

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I mean I was happy with my laptop exactly the way it was, If you think I had it already then I presume that's what I need at this point to get it to work

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Inside windows?

tacit slate Jul 13, 2023, 9:19 PM

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oh

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it's not working yet?

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 9:19 PM

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No

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I can't get drive 2 to boot still

tacit slate Jul 13, 2023, 9:19 PM

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reinstall it again

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I don't think you ever reinstalled on drive 2

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since you cleared the tpm keys

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 9:19 PM

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You helped me however I believe install 95% of windows successfully

tacit slate Jul 13, 2023, 9:19 PM

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just unplug the 256GB drive if you're not gonna use it

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and reinstall again on the 2TB one

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 9:20 PM

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Ok I'll do that give me 5-10

tacit slate Jul 13, 2023, 9:20 PM

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make sure it's reinstalled on unallocated space

tardy dune Jul 13, 2023, 9:39 PM

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So it installed... (I hope) but it restarts... And immediately jumps back to the USB install boot screen

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I restarted manually and hold F12, to try to change my boot

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But drive is not there

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I'm gonna do it again to get a picture of the install 100%

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But I think it's that missing fat32 partition

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Still

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Yeah I'm convinced it's the bootloader

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No idea how to proceed

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So should I be trying to clear my tpm or something

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i've gotta run out for a few hours but i promise i will return. please help

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i tried to do something i saw on youtube where u unplug ur pc or restart ur pc over and over and over until it goes into a diagnostic check, and u can open a troubleshooting comand prompt, but it seems to me that is only possible for people who have access to the drive... because the prompt itself is selected to a drive... and i can't seem to get that menu to even come up

tardy dune Jul 14, 2023, 12:00 AM

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@tacit slate

sinful sail Jul 14, 2023, 12:42 AM

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tardy dune So should I be trying to clear my tpm or something

I don't feel like this is necessary, although if it's a new install I can't imagine how it could possibly hurt

tardy dune Jul 14, 2023, 12:50 AM

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ive gotta run out for dinner but i will be back later... still unresolved

tardy dune Jul 14, 2023, 8:56 PM

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in the end this discord community tried very hard to help me. i will say that nobody was able too... unfortunately the end result was cmdrkeene.com pretty much telling me i was wrong about everything, and judged my hardware....yet i was happy to show him a photo of so many extra drives and usb's from samsung already owned that i had to ask...will buying more of these top shelf drives really help...if i already own 3 or more? it will not... i've managed to install windows os onto a m.2 drive, but nobody on God's great green and blue earth could tell me why i can't install windows os onto a samsung 870 evo 2.5" sata drive... and so i say this was a complete waste of my time... every nerd on earth is less then my capability and understanding, microsoft/apple i'm here, working for amazon if u need me.

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i would close this, but i refuse to lie (religious purposes) and so no.... it was not solved. enjoy keeping this open... i wish i saw a "Unresolved and Closed" option. Fact of the matter is NO it's not solved, and yes i'm ready to wipe my os drive at a moments notice if someone comes along and knows how to setup my sata (afterall i do have a handful of backup drives)... this ticket to remain open indefinetly.

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windows has no problem installing a bootloader onto an m.2 drive, but it refuses to do so on a sata drive... and cmdrkeene wants me to know i was unable to do what 2billion people could do... lmfao

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useless

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and for the record, that exact same usb media windowsOS 10 installer that would not work, is the one that did work to the m.2

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so the usb, the installation files, all worked... perfectly

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i can acess the sata drive no sweat!, its JUST THAT 100mb FAT32 Partition BOOTLOADER i kept screaming about

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i'm 100% positive u simps will read this and say, oh his problem is fixed. let me remind you, again you are wrong

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hmu anytime u think u know the solution! i'm not scared

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