#Motorfest Gameplay Overhaul

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WHY IS THE SUN IN MY EYES!?!?!?
SERIOUSLY!? Who wakes up and says "You know what seems fun? Driving with the sun in my eyes!"
WHY THE F@#$ WOULD YOU ADD THAT!?!?
If I'm being 100% honest whoever decided it was a good idea to add sun glare needs to be removed from your team. Your team literally put time and money to add one of the most anti-fun mechanics you can add to a game. You can root all the way back to 2006 in Battlefield 2 where everyone was complaining about the same thing. SUN GLARE WILL NEVER BE A GOOD IDEA....EVER. NO MATTER WHAT GAME, NO MATTER WHAT GENRE, NO MATTER IF IT'S A GAME OR NOT. SUN GLARE IS JUST NOTHING BUT ANTI-FUN Whomever recommened to add sun glare is not a gamer and does not need to be working on games if that's the case.
Being in a grand race and hitting a parked car because I can't see has made me change games more than anything else. (Right behind it is being smashed into oblivion by some kid that can't drive)
Why don't you let me play you?

  • I like street tier 2 and rally races. Why is there only like 2 races for those and why do I have to put in so much work to play them? Drag racing is stupid. Always will be. Street 1, hyper, and racing cars are fun, but Street 2 and Rally are my favorite. Why can't I play them?

Solution Bring back Crew 2 interface. There is so much wrong with the user interface I can make another essay describing what needs to be fixed on it, so just keep it simple and bring back the Crew 2 interface.
Too much RNG

  • Want to tune a car for grand race? Well too bad. you can't just drive around and test it because of all the cars and weather that keep changing. You're trying to tune a Street 1 car? Better do it in 2 races because it will be hours before you get to try again.
    Solution let me turn cars and weather off when I'm in free play. Honestly just make free play offline.

I have a lot more to say, but I don't want to put the energy into it since this will most likely fall onto deaf ears. If Ubisoft would like to talk to me about what further improvements I have they can contact me. I've been apart of a lot insider programs, they have my info.

Until then, thank you everyone for reading this. I just needed to vent after failing my slalom so many times in a row due to cars it just fed me up enough to write this before I switched games...possibly forever sadly. I see what potential this game has and it truly upsets me to see it be torchered this way; and it makes it harder every time to convince myself to log in again. So many times my buddy logs on and says "I want to play, but I don't know what to do" because the only things there are to do is the things Ubisoft is forcing us to do and we don't want to do that, so we are just simply playing games that let us do what we want.

clever ocean
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To help reiterate why collision is such a problem in grand race. I will link 2 clips I made. One is where I just bully someone so they can't pass me which not only takes them out of the race, but me as well. There is no upside to that playstyle. The second is a video of me sniping my buddy from across the hypotenuse, using him as a break pad, and forcing him to miss the checkpoint taking him out of the race so I can save a few seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNv6iLTpVhw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6MXLSeb-qI

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Grand Race Collisions

Just posting this to show why collision needs to be removed.

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THE CREW™ MOTORFEST 20231115101036
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untold bronze
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Another example of what I stated earlier.

Ubisoft, can you explain the "fun" of this mechanic?

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untold bronze
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Another example of why collision needs to be removed.
Where is the fun in this? Why should I be punished for cornering properly?
Also, all of these clips that I have made have come from games I have played since I started this thread...
It's only been about 5 grand races since I started this thread...

I'm going to step away from this game now. If Y'all decide to remove the Anti fun Mechanics then I'll welcome you back with open arms.
However, until you get your stuff together I'll be playing my new racing game. Have a good one.

This will also be the last time I pre-order from Ubisoft as well.
Could have saved myself and my friends I convinced to buy it a few hundred bucks had I of waited for reviews.

PS. If you think I'm being too harsh on the game the multiplayer is the most important part for the games repeatability and it's the only multiplayer mode.
I am currently level 38 on a 100 level battle pass and I'm ranked 9,000 for the month. To help put that in perspective i'm 38% of the way through a pass that is 70% of the way completed... and out of the 115,926 players that turned the game on this month only 9,486 people thought it was worth getting this "far" into the main stage.
That means that only 8% of the players deemed it worthy to put in enough effort to reach level 38. The other 92% chose to play something else.
-Also keep in mind this game is only 70 days old and it's struggling to keep an active player base above 10k. So the choice seems pretty obvious to me. Either keep the game the same and watch it die, or do something about. I'm choosing to do something about it. What about you Ubisoft?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqsGLI5LCbc

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Classic Brake Pad
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I only agree with Grand Race collisions. Other topics are just based on personal opinion. For me stuff you mentioned aren't problem. I dont mind rng, i like legend points and legend sets (and yes, you don't need them to be in top 10k when there are less players playing summit then in TC2). Also even in real life you drive a car when sun is shining into your eyes, so... i don't see that as problem.
Traffic in slaloms is fine, only at crossroads they are crazy.

Ps: Well, to be fair, some players don't even care about Legendary rank system, they just drive around or they play only summit. Remember most players don't even need to get legendary rank rewards because they have them from TC2. Also there is no point to get past level 3 anyway, because you only get color title under your name (pointless) or many players have enought legend points from first two months to unlock all that is need for Summit.) I am one of them so until there is something nice in Legend rank as it was first month then i don't bother farming levels.

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# raw trellis I only agree with Grand Race collisions. Other topics are just based on personal...

I like legend points and legend sets
I do too, it's just specifically scorebreaker and skilled I have a problem with. (bended makes motorcycles useless, but I don't like them so that can stay lol)
Scorebreaker: Increase feat score by 200%
Skilled: Increase scoring by 10% (7x)
Legend Skilled: Increase scoring by 10%

So let's say we're both average players. We both get an average score of 5,000 points and it gives us 50,000 points for the live event. We both have max parts, but you built into nitros and I have the legendary scorebreaker set. Because of this even though we did Identical in skill I would get 140,000 points for the Slalom. That is a 90,000 point difference because of the 280% point boost from building into the set. multiply that by 2 for this event and it's a 180,000 point difference. So why did I get so much more than you? because I chose to blindingly grind the same 2 minute course for anywhere from 6 to 12 hours (honestly more for me to get my nitro set for Street 2). It took almost 14 hours to get my last nitro spring, it was the last piece I got. Why would I want to do that again for literally every category? How is that fun? Also, when there is a car for grabs in platinum 180,000 points is the difference between 7,000 and 17,00 so it's a pretty significant amount.

Remember most players don't even need to get legendary rank rewards because they have them from TC2
The only thing that transferred from TC2 was the cars. None of the legend points or anything else. Farming legendary points is probably the most important part of the game right now since you can only get them once a month (other than that like 10 points here and there thing). I have 281 and still need like 150 more. It's such a huge grind. Sure I can just keep switching them around, but that's just annoying.

Also even in real life you drive a car when sun is shining into your eyes, so... i don't see that as problem.
Sure it's tolerable, but is it fun? There is a billion dollar industry in the real world to stop sun glare because of how unpleasant it is. People have payed $100s to stop this mechanic. Ubisoft went out of their way to add it to the game.

Traffic in slaloms is fine, only at crossroads they are crazy.
Sure it's fine, but does it make the game more fun?

The main reason why this matters is because those things required resources and time to be put into the game and they add nothing fun. That could have been resources used for better optimization, more maps, more modes, and so on. But they didn't... instead they put things in the game that just made the overall experience less fun.

** I am one of them so until there is something nice in Legend rank as it was first month then i don't bother farming levels.**
This is exactly my point of this post. You don't see a purpose to play this game because it gives you no purpose. The reason why there is no purpose is because everything is RNG.

So let's say you wanted to grind the set for Alpha GP so you can start getting a free 150k each slalom. You can either

A) Farm 100,000 XP in free play (slalom/style points/ other feats) in that category to unlock the set to be used.

B) Play using the vehicle category you want the parts for which gives you scrap. Use that scrap to buy the parts you want in that category.

C) mindlessly drive on a short lap for an arbitrarily amount of hours while built into luck and play on the hardest difficulty for anywhere between 6 to 15 hours where you will hopefully get the set you need.

You're going to tell me you believe option C was the most fun way to achieve this goal?

** (and yes, you don't need them to be in top 10k when there are less players playing summit then in TC2)**
Also, saying it's easy to get platinum because the 70 day old game is already dead proves my overall point substantially true. Things need to change.

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I would honestly have a lot less quarrels with the scorebreaker set if they just simply let us get more than blue gear from multiplayer.
Why am I being punished for playing multiplayer?

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# raw trellis I only agree with Grand Race collisions. Other topics are just based on personal...

Since not everyone has a good time visualizing numbers. I went ahead and made of video of me doing all three slaloms this week for my very first time using a street tier 2 car and using no nitros, and light braking. Just a simple gas N cruise run. I scored 150k on the events...

Also, I added the first 5 minutes of me re rolling my half made set because after all it is fun and satisfying gameplay. Like getting legendary piece in WoW, right? ...right?? ...Right!??? No need to skip me mashing x over and over and over until the words and numbers I want appear for 5 minutes straight. After all it's a fun mechanic.

The reason why this is so detrimental is because it took me 3 minutes to get my slaloms done for the week.... a weeks worth of something to grind dwindled down to 3 minutes of gameplay and for what? To add more time to grind RNG drops? yay....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TXI1F0wRQ8

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Remove Score Breaker and Skilled
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raw trellis
# kindred pendant Since not everyone has a good time visualizing numbers. I went ahead and made of...

Skilled and scorebreaker are almost 5 year in The crew 2 and its fine, just its like you get legendary item i WoW to have advantage over someone who just started playing. Is it fair? No, but do they have chance to be there? Yes they had, it simply need skilled perk. I played first 2 months without scorebreaker with just skilled purple set and still i ended in platinum every week because what i lost in skills i gained in races without nitro chemist anyway. So... More problematic stuff are BoT shortcuts those things remove any skill in races and you can shave almost whole minute just by doing that. Sooner or later anyone will have scorebreaker anyway so whats the problem again? Not having it from day one?

raw trellis
# kindred pendant **I like legend points and legend sets** I do too, it's just specifically __scor...

Yes, more people care about cars/vanity and if they wanted legend point, they farmed it first month (wave to those with 1000 legend rank in one month) so majority of players dont need to get LR againif there isnt good reward.
I have only 213 rank after 2 months and that is enought for all major stuff to unlock while some i can switch easy. And i still play daily because i simply have fun just by playing. You probably didnt play much stuff with RNG if you thing Motorfest is that bad. Go and try Genshin Impact artifact farm to see how bad RNG can be.

And yes, for me its fun to avoid traffic or get blinded by sun, it raise immersion for me.

PS: in comparsion to you few minutes skills - this week summit in TC2 is so easy i finished it under hour and i dont need to play it until next summit. So i take TCM version which is harder anytime.

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# raw trellis Yes, more people care about cars/vanity and if they wanted legend point, they fa...

I played first 2 months without scorebreaker with just skilled purple set and still i ended in platinum
yes, because nobody had it. Why do you keep bringing up platinum anyways? It's easy to get platinum in a dead game no matter how good or bad you are. The problem isn't getting platinum. The problem is the game is dead. It's a struggle to get a game of 28 in grand race now because this game is bad.

Sooner or later anyone will have scorebreaker anyway so whats the problem again?
It servers no purpose in that aspect as well. If everyone has it then why put it in the game? to limit the slots to 1 perk instead of 2? remove versatility? What's even the point of adding a Slalom event to the game at that point if that's your logic behind it. If it's so easy to get max points then it's only purpose is to gate players with less time. What's the purpose of that?

All Scorebreaker does is takes a slalom and makes it valuless. No skill, no effort, and most importantly no fun.

Yes, more people care about cars/vanity and if they wanted legend point, they farmed it first month (wave to those with 1000 legend rank in one month) so majority of players dont need to get LR againif there isnt good reward.
I have only 213 rank after 2 months and that is enought for all major stuff to unlock while some i can switch easy. And i still play daily because i simply have fun just by playing. You probably didnt play much stuff with RNG if you thing Motorfest is that bad. Go and try Genshin Impact artifact farm to see how bad RNG can be.
What is your argument? Why do you keep bringing up legend points? I've literally said nothing about them being a problem the entire time. unless your point is to prove how unfun the game is with this statement. majority of players dont need to get LR againif there isnt good reward. you just said what this whole board is about. Motorfest isn't fun to play. It's all arbatrary and there's no purpose so people are just not playing.

You probably didnt play much stuff with RNG
no i don't, bexause it's a bad mechanic. That's why EA star wars died. That's why For Honor died, and many others. RNG is just a lazy mechanic. there are so many better solutions. I 100% avoid RNG games for that specific reason.

PS: in comparsion to you few minutes skills - this week summit in TC2 is so easy i finished it under hour and i dont need to play it until next summit. So i take TCM version which is harder anytime.
and that's why TC2 and TCM are dead. I know FTP phone games with a bigger base than motorfest and crew combined and they are from a powerhouse triple A company. Racing masters has like 10k concurrent players and you've never heard of it before. If that gives you any idea how bad TC is.

And yes, for me its fun to avoid traffic or get blinded by sun, it raise immersion for me.
Well that puts you in the vast minority then, because 92% of the players would rather do things than play this game. If it was fun like you say it is they wouldn't have had to put this dead game on sale every month since release.

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Honestly Racing master is just a better hardcore arcade game than The Crew is. It just doesn't have the triple A funding.

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# raw trellis Yes, more people care about cars/vanity and if they wanted legend point, they fa...

"majority of players don't need to get LR"
That's just flat out wrong as well.
I got American Legend level 100 and only a few players were there. I don't remember exactly, but it was like 10k. Then for Japanese legend it was also about 9k of people who reached level 100 with me. Then for this month less than 9k have hit level 50.

So for the "grinding out LP" argument it would have been maximum 29k players. Which would mean all 29k players were different every month and we know that's just not true.

Besides, even points come from playing the game no matter what you do. So you earn them whether you want to or not as long as you're doing something. Since there's nothing to do in this game because everything in this game is arbitrary nobody is doing anything.

raw trellis
# kindred pendant "majority of players don't need to get LR" That's just flat out wrong as well. I...

Okey, let me wrote it like this - those players who actualy care and play this game to be in Platinum each summit farmed already in first month those levels + those who want to have star on floor with their name also already have max Legend rank. Other players probabky just dont play that much, dont care about Legend rank or the worst case they dont even know about Legend rank or about that the more rank you have the more points you get. Also you still need only 1k of them and that can be done in few days if you macro farm speedtrap or previously escape.

Some simply play red/blue/green until they get LP and then don't play at all. I have many friends in friend list on PS and yet only 2 or 3 actualy have legend rank unlocked and when i ask them, they just said they dont need it. Same with summit, they play only those where they can get rewards they dont have.

Even in TC2 there are not many people with 9999 rank, because it's pointless to have that many, you again need like 1k to unlock cars and then all above those are extra to earn 0.1% more money for each point = not that usefull for most players. I have in TC2 around 600h and yet i am only 2.7k icon rank.

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Sure, for you game is dead yet there is at least 60k players who play Summit only. So there is a lot of players who just play different things and probably dont even care about parts. Why i am still talking about Summit or Legend points? Well because those two things can be see as "Endgame" content. Grandrace is only about meta cars and playlist times don't matter to me.

And you are saying platinum is easy, in way it is, because from what i read players are simply lazy to farm even money to buy cars. Most of them want rewards, yet they refuse to play to get them. That it self is a problem not only in The Crew but in all games where you need at least little bit of grind.
They instead of playing and get better at game start topics on forums to nerf this and that and how unfair it is because they dont have time to play, yet want to enjoy everything. Let me tell you - NOT everyrhing in game is meant to be played or completed by every single player. If you can't accept that, then move to another game. I also play games i can't earn everything. Is it bad? No, its for players who are better or spend more time playing and that is comletely fine, but not for players these days. (Little off topic, i know).

If you think this games are dead, then why do you spend time here? I on another hand will enjoy The Crew Motorfest probably for next few years as i enjoyed The Crew 2.

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Ps: for dead game you spend here a lot of time, so if its not fun or that bad as you are saying, why did you spend this much time playing it?

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# raw trellis Sure, for you game is dead yet there is at least 60k players who play Summit onl...

You keep saying so much stuff that is literally nothing to do with the topic. You're pretty much just ranting saying people need to "get good" when the truth is they just don't care because the game isn't worth the time investment.

Ps. I haven't played other than doing those slaloms to show how unfun everything about that was.
I've barely touched the game because the game is so anti fun.

Just like everyone else quit playing because it's not fun.

If I'm going to play a racing game I want to play one that's based off of skill, not one based off of luck, time played, and is riddled with anti fun mechanics.

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# raw trellis Okey, let me wrote it like this - those players who actualy care and play this g...

**That it self is a problem not only in The Crew but in all games where you need at least little bit of grind. **
you do know that grinding was invented to lower the skill ceiling, just like RNG. They were implemented to reduce the feeling of diminishing returns for bad players. It's an edge they give older players so they don't get beat by new players and quit playing. That's why all high skill ceiling games have none of that in there.
That is also why predatory phone games absolutely abuse RNG and grinding. Like genshin impact.

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Croden, me boi. I think i get what you are trying to say. Its right that TCM isnt a perfect game, and there are many features that can be absolute nuisances during gameplay. But there are some things you said here that are simply part of what a The Crew game is, and imo there's nothing wrong with it.

The RNG: The Crew has always been a car-focused RPG game, with levels, perks and buffs, to bring that RPG fantasy to the game. Without it, it would be just another forza-like racing game.

The problem with legend points and buffs: This also beats around the bush of the RPG mechanics, and return on investment. Here, there's mechanical incentive for the player to play the game, to better themselves and their game attributes, be it part sets or legend points. If the player plays more, he gets better, its as simple as that.

The world isnt a level playing field: The game's mechanics are RPG-like, but its world is grounded in reality, and its probably the best thing about it. Irl, you can't change the time of the day or the weather, nor keep people from roaming the streets, and you can use sunglasses to fix the sunglare. Its probably better this way, than to gap the world's potential for beauty just because those minor nuisances. (but well, traffic ghosting during feats would sure be nice.)

I have the feeling that for you, the problem with the game is its core identity, as a car-focused RPG, and thus, i think this game just isnt for you, and there's nothing wrong with it, nothing can be enough for everyone.

Also, how do u have 1k hours disliking so much about the game?

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I just started playing this game a few weeks ago. ~around 40-50 hrs

I'm a pretty average player, I don't care for collectables or 100% stuff. I just want to pick up this game and play.

And I have to say, it's a struggle to want to play this game over others.

With the sun in my eyes, the ghost cars vs. real cars throwing me off and pissing me off, the fact that street tier 1 parts are in the same category as street tier 2 and I didn't know it and got rid of my legendary parts.

I don't feel rewarded for anything I do, it just feels like chores.

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# distant onyx Croden, me boi. I think i get what you are trying to say. Its right that TCM isn...

Hard disagree, my man. RNG loot is fucking annoying.

You can have an RPG which main progressions do not depend on RNG loot at all (and there have been multiple big names with this system, in fact). RNG loot in main progression is just a cheap way to make the game longer. And annoying to those who don't want to spend too much extra time on that part of the game.

It's especially more infuriating when you realize just how much of your playtime would be dedicated to getting those right parts. If they want to keep the RNG loot factor, at the very least balance the playtime allocation properly. I ain't spending 95% of my time in this game grinding and farming for the right parts, that's just extremely unacceptable.

This is a racing game, not a damn parts ordering simulator.

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That's a good middle ground. Increase the drop rates, especially for rarer parts. I don't like having my time wasted, and I'm sure many people feel the same.

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Yea, I think the proper way to implement the RNG here is by letting players target farm their stuff, as I said in last month's thread. For now, I just hope they give us some more generous rates in s02

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Imo it's still better to just remove the RNG loot in the first place, since I've seen multiple concerns (and one even from one of the big racing game names) saying that seeing the RNG loot is just an immediate turn off. Logical tbh, since most people don't even want to bother messing with it, but I guess that's too late for this game to do that.

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Also, how do u have 1k hours disliking so much about the game?
Because all the anti fun mechanics slowly built up over time to the point where it just isn't fun to play. Same reason why 92% don't play unless they get bribed enough to get back on. Every person that has defended this game always says "they will come back when theres something worth grinding" yeah...that's the problem. Nobody is playing the game because it's fun. They are playing it for a virtual gold star.

The problem with legend points and buffs: This also beats around the bush of the RPG mechanics, and return on investment. Here, there's mechanical incentive for the player to play the game, to better themselves and their game attributes, be it part sets or legend points. If the player plays more, he gets better, its as simple as that.
The reason people should get on a game is because the game is fun, not because they get a sticker for completing an annoying task. Racing games give you so much of an advantage from just playing the game. Map knowledge, car tunes, car knowledge, just an overall better understanding of the physics engine. All of those cut off way more time than points ever will. Also, like I have said multiple times, I don't have a problem with the mechanics, just how the mechanics are done. Don't make them RNG, make them something you build into. Turn it from Arbatrary grinding to purposeful grinding. Make them specific to the legendary perk. Unlock Nitros set by Using Nos, stuff like that. Think of it like unlocking pro perks in call of Duty.

score breaker and skilled need to be removed. They make Slaloms for live events pointless. They bring nothing of value to the game and only take value from the game. And for what? bad players to not get good in a competitive event? That's a ridiculous reason.
I did one half hearted attempt at the 3 slaloms and got max points. What's the point in that? where is the fun in that?

The world isnt a level playing field: The game's mechanics are RPG-like, but its world is grounded in reality, and its probably the best thing about it. Irl, you can't change the time of the day or the weather, nor keep people from roaming the streets, and you can use sunglasses to fix the sunglare. Its probably better this way, than to gap the world's potential for beauty just because those minor nuisances. (but well, traffic ghosting during feats would sure be nice.)
I know the world isn't a level playing field. That why I play games. To create a fair PvP experience. If you want realism go outside.

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@raw trellis speak for yourself

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I’d like to mention the dead zone filter problem. Although it’s only present on Xbox and PlayStation, it makes cruising very difficult. While I understand that this is not a cruising game, I think the ability to make minute adjustments while trying to obey the law and just go for a drive with friends is very important.

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RNG ist the Problem why you dont have Platin lol. I am everytime Platin even without legendary Set i was good enough. You Talk about the First 2k Players Here. But Platin ist Till 10k. RNG legendary ist Just Importamt for 2-3 races If you are lucky Rest depends in Ur driving in maxed pointed Car. Unless MP you wont have any benefit of it

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way to miss the point bozo

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Also, I love how mods won't give me an upvote for people to react to, but gave a 😐 for people to react to. I guess that's one way to try and suppress the truth.

I would love to have a thumbs up and thumbs down to see if I'm in the minority so I know if I'm wasting my time or not.

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Before you go further on a smoothbrained tangent, the mods do not control what people react with. If they did, they would then be suppressing the truth. Whatever reactions you got were from the community itself, with no outside interference.

You likely got that reaction because of your complete inability to compress your feedback into easily comprehensible points.

Since y'know, it's hard to agree on (or even read) something so all over the place.

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# atomic finch Before you go further on a smoothbrained tangent, the mods do not control what p...

Before you go further on a smoothbrained tangent, the mods do not control what people react with. If they did, they would then be suppressing the truth. Whatever reactions you got were from the community itself, with no outside interference.

You do realize me and most of the people in here don't have the authority to add reactions to the forum. Only the mods aka people who like the game as it is get the ability to add reactions. Until someone reacts with an upvote, then nobody else can upvote

atomic finch
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It takes just one people who can vote for the others to follow suit. So yeah, people do have the authority to add reactions to this.
And it really doesn't take much activity to be able to vote, you just aren't active enough.

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yeah, mods. The people I posted the comment to

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what's your argument?

atomic finch
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I can add reactions. I'm not a mod.

kindred pendant
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you can create one?

atomic finch
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Yes, I can.

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and I can't

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like the others that also agreed in this chat

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aka sensorship

atomic finch
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lmao no, just be more active, the limit to add reactions really isn't that high

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Why would I want to be more active in a bad game?

atomic finch
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in this server, not the game.

kindred pendant
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Why would I want to be more active in a server of a bad game?

atomic finch
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Also, if you don't believe me, click on the reaction I added.
Even if you cannot add reactions, you CAN bypass the restriction as long as someone have added something beforehand.
And they won't add the same reactions if they don't also feel the same about your post, so honestly you're just coping with these CeNsOrShIp talk.

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as long as someone have added something beforehand
aka censorship

but you clearly haven't read the new update since like 70% of the stuff I brought up is getting fixed

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but obviously nobody agrees lol

atomic finch
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as if the stuff getting fixed is relevant to this censorship talk but ok

kindred pendant
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since you don't know the meaning

atomic finch
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oh, by the way, WHEN THERE ARE NO REACTIONS, the feedback posts default to an upvote that is available for everyone to select.
So your post garnered that reaction before it gets even a single upvote. Go reflect that, I'm done here.

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it literally doesn't

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where's my button? @atomic finch

atomic finch
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try reading my message again.

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ah, so i'm right. got it

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or do you just think it's normal for people to run from a conversation their winning? lol

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I edited my last post because you still can't read. Hopefully that's clear enough now.

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No, I'm running away because I'm tired of arguing with you. You keep dismissing my arguments just to pursue your irrelevant ones.

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ok, then where is my button?

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@atomic finch

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ah, alright, so I was wrong on this.
What does that contribute to the original topic (your post garnering a lot of bad reactions)? Precisely nothing.

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When you post more feedbacks, please keep it more concise, I'm fairly sure people are dogpiling you because your feedback is 98% walls of texts and 2% actual points.

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or is there someone else who has been bolding text, bolding comments before replies that I just don't see

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Try putting yourself in a developer's shoes and imagine having to read a small essay's worth of feedback.

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also, i'm not a journalist and this isn't that important to me. So sorry that making things convient for you isn't high on my priority list

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You'd just click off and find some other ones. And read this one last. If you didn't forget.

distant onyx
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Your feedback is not only overly long, but it's also full with clutter. You're just making the developers' lives harder. Y'know, the very people these are aimed for.

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This is essentially like you being a recruiter and reading a candidate's resume that's full of irrelevant experiences.

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Not to mention Hueitor's point above. Your feedback is not only full of clutter, but some of these clutters are insulting. Angering the very people holding the ability to change the product is not the way to go.

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but some of these clutters are insulting
reskinning Crew 2, removing features, and downgrading the UI as well as adding overwhelming anti fun mechanics isn't insulting?

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Angering the very people holding the ability to change the product is not the way to go.
And angering the people that pay their bills is even worse. Or did you forget 92% of the pople have quit playing already?

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only like 3,500 people have played enough to get to level 100 this month and it's almost over. If the game was fun it would be WAYYYYY higher

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oh, you're one of those people. I guess unclear, rage-filled feedbacks that ended up being a big waste everyone's time is the way to go for you.

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What's unclear? Literally everything I stated I stated with a solution

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or are you just going for generic criticism since you don't have a point

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Even the bolded texts are cluttered too.

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my post was 1200 words. That's an average of a 4 minute read.....

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if that's what you consider a lot.... I don't really know what to tell you

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4 minutes is A LOT for the dev team's community representatives.

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not when your community is dead

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Not to mention they have to note down the points of these feedbacks too. 4 minutes is just purely reading.

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oh, I guess we're going back to the raging. I'll get back here once you've calmed down, okay?

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so, you're just going to ignore the fact that only like 3 threads have been touched since I made this

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where is the rest of this feedback at? It took me way too long to find this place to post it. They literally don't promote communication anywhere

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@atomic finch oh, and one more thing. That "high road" you're trying to take only works when you're not the one starting slander btw...

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I don't see how they let players win the same car over and over again like let's say a player wins the same car 3 times and another player missed out on the car 3 times how does the players get the chance to win that car

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# lunar wharf Looks pretty tho

Oh yeah lol. It really satisfies that itch of wanting to look into a lamp every hour. I didn't know how I was able to manage before.

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HAH

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coward

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Might have something to do with the fact that I went to sleep right after he posted that.
But yes, I'm in the wrong here, and I suppose an apology is in order, so I'm sorry for instigating all this drama.

That being said, my original point still stands - deliver your points more concisely if you want people to agree. Nobody is going to read all that, this isn't college.

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# atomic finch Might have something to do with the fact that I went to sleep right after he pos...

Yeah, this isn't college. I'm also not a journalist, publisher, or writer. Nor am I getting paid to help them fix their game. So no, I'm not going to put more time/effort into making it more convenient for them. It makes no difference to me if they don't want the advice. I'm not the one that's going to be out of work at the end of the day.

My post did exactly what it was supposed to do, so I see no reason to change it.

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Also, no need to apologize. I honestly don't care. It takes more than words to make me upset. Thank you though

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Well, you seem to be rather hellbent on making your feedback as verbose as possible, so I suppose there's no changing that. Oh well, don't say I didn't warn you.

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Because bro took the time to list a bunch of actual issues that are mad annoying