pvp

[spice hornet]

At least sub wasn’t as obnoxious as it is now

Asssass was annoying though just pve you down with 9x gush

[mortal elm]

Whats the stuff rogue puts

like a circle thing

i think rogue puts it cause everytime i see that yellow circle there is a rogue

[sharp meteor]

Resonator?

[mortal elm]

I dont know

[spice hornet]

Ah yes the trinket designed for rmx

Cosmic gladiators resonator

[mortal elm]

what does it to

do*

[sharp meteor]

Circle on the ground that does damage.

It splits, though, so teammate can hop in and soak it sometimes.

[mortal elm]

alright

im soo tired tho, i think i need to farm gear to progress further, i stuck on a wall

[solar grail]

is there a cloak that unlocks with rating? and at what rating?

[sharp meteor]

I think it's 2100/Duelist.

Although they used the incorrect appearance, I think.

[fiery marsh]

You can't disarm Bladestorm anymore right?

[lucid walrus]

nope

[elder wigeon]

you only could in wrath I'm p sure

[full kiln]

cba playing warrior in wrath

[buoyant shale]

question. says ive completed the great vault quest before but i dont have the lego on this alt. can i somehow get the quest again?

i type in the qust macro and it says ive completed it

[simple rock]

warrior is god tier in wrath lol

[sharp meteor]

No, it'll immune disarms.

[wheat crane]

Farming icc for that armor pen trinket

Think there was a caster one too

[sharp meteor]

Classic 🤢 Maybe when mop rolls around.

[wheat crane]

Wrath isnt too bad, tsgs good all the way through

[simple rock]

wrath gonna be a lot better than sl s3

dear god this season was bad

[fickle forge]

Feel like that's what they always say

But in the end, it was just nostalgia speaking

[simple rock]

people hyping up TBC arena didn't play any pservers or watch modern tbc gameplay

was gonna be bad from the start

wrath fixes several issues with classic arena

ie extremely long games, silence drs, heartbeat, more comp variety

[indigo barn]

Hour long games

+9 rating

[sharp meteor]

People protesting rating locked gear in SL by playing classic with rating locked gear and pve gear.

[simple rock]

oh the gearing is trash in classic and will continue to be

but gameplay will be very fun imo

it is a commitment for sure

[indigo barn]

Don't forget you get less arena points the lower rating you are

[simple rock]

they fixed that in tbc recently

[indigo barn]

Ah

[simple rock]

you get a lot for low rated 5s

anyone can get gear now at a much quicker rate

[indigo barn]

That's good

Dragonflight damage seems far better than now, and there is no vers

[elder wigeon]

I think the crux of the issue is upgradable gear, i think pieces of gear being locked behind x rating isn't that big of a deal

once you get the gladiator gear it's that powerful for everyone no matter what

upgradable pvp gear for pvp is really dumb

I think pvp gear being upgradable to be good/functional in pve is fine

[indigo barn]

Let's hope they cap pve gear far below PvP like in wod

[spice hornet]

Mop gearijg best hearing

[indigo barn]

Yep

Make vers 50% less effective in pvp and give PvP power back

[uncut pollen]

are they removing vers?

[indigo barn]

Nah, gear just doesn't have a meaningful amount yet

So damage is very raw

[elder wigeon]

i would've liked to have seen a -15% dam and healing across the board

[sharp meteor]

Actually, though.

Numbers just so high rn.

Relative to health pools.

[elder wigeon]

yup

[nimble jasper]

@sharp meteor ok this is fried

outlaw if being trained by monke fury

just sit on his healer

and turn on flurry

[sharp meteor]

Hitting outlaw

[nimble jasper]

not very smart

also thorns

[sharp meteor]

Ya psure i just tag somebody and leave

[nimble jasper]

rsham links

when both are at 20%

LOL

[sharp meteor]

I'm not that shit out above gutter mmr

[nimble jasper]

these fury players

are so dumb tho

ngl

[sharp meteor]

ya, me

ook ook

[nimble jasper]

[full quiver]

who here knows how to play monk lol'

are people really tracking spinning crane kick proc + tier set before doing their go

or is it just a that's nice it lined up type deal

[elder wigeon]

you pay attention to sck proc and keefers

keefers and sck is all that matters tbh

[nimble jasper]

yes

ideally

[full quiver]

So you wait for spinning then get 8 stack

[sharp meteor]

So it'll be fish for crane kick proc, keefer's on kill target (personal 1 minute cd), bone dust then a set of images then crane kick into rsk

[full quiver]

Then Incap bone dust legsweep spinning rising kick, fist, swirling dragon right

[sharp meteor]

with para off target into sweep kill usually prior

basically its like 300% of your health every minute if they set up properly

treat it like convoke feral

[full quiver]

Lol

Yeah I can play vs it ok

[sharp meteor]

extend that the dmg doesn't stop insta

[full quiver]

I just boosted a ww

[nimble jasper]

rsk

and sck proc

are your big hitters

@full quiver sck isnt a real channel

so you can cast rsk

in the middle of it

also @sharp meteor you wanna bonedust before you proc keefers

since the window is short

[sharp meteor]

yeah and i imagine fof prior as well so u can whirling punch immediately after the rsk

[nimble jasper]

fof is fairly big dam now with tierset

[sharp meteor]

it's honestly so many globals that feel so long LMAO

yeah and the parry is yuge into cleaves

[nimble jasper]

sck proc-->rsk--->sck proc

is what shreds someones hp

in 1.5 gcds

or so

the r1 ww on eu

plays hit combo and fof dmg conduit

no sck proc

[sharp meteor]

oh that sounds fun

do they go kyrian or necro

[full quiver]

I saw that

Seemed pretty cheese lol

[nimble jasper]

necro

[full quiver]

Do like a 40k fof

[nimble jasper]

i tried it

you can 100-0 rdruids

if they respond late

in first sweep

[full quiver]

Lololol

[nimble jasper]

i did to 4 rdruids in a row

late trinket tranq

[full quiver]

Can you pre rop tranq

[nimble jasper]

ring tranq

[full quiver]

And kill them

[nimble jasper]

nah did it off the fof

and still had wdp

[full quiver]

Lol

[nimble jasper]

you can do like

13-14k fof ticks tho

while split into 3

@sharp meteor this is also the guy

in all of drainer's s2 ww oneshot clips

doing it

[full quiver]

Lol

[nimble jasper]

dude's kinda troll but

https://www.twitch.tv/tygalways/videos

he's 3.5 on like

4 melee

or something

[lucid walrus]

wtf

[nimble jasper]

been the case forever

you can cast anything that isnt another cast time ability

or expel harm during your sck

[full quiver]

Lol

Probably gonna be a pretty easy 1800

Just practice on target dummy for 10 mins then go in and one shot people for 2 hours

[sharp meteor]

oh yeah you just press it then use another ability like rsk right after

[nimble jasper]

it is

people even above 2k

dont know how to properly respond to keefer's goes

[sharp meteor]

it's part of what adds to that insane burst because it all comes out in like a global or two

and even with wall it can be your entire health bar

need like a hard stop

[nimble jasper]

you go tickle someone else for a bit

then once you have go ready head over

if you accidentally tiger palm wrong person welp you have no go on them for a min

[lucid walrus]

yea i just haven't played in a ww-intensive era

shit's wild

[nimble jasper]

i swear ww is one of the biggest gaps i notice

bad wws dmg is meh

good wws erase you so fast

[full quiver]

Which build you think is better to learn on lol

[nimble jasper]

wdym fof dam or sck?

they both kinda do the same

[full quiver]

I saw people doing some kyrian versions

[clever furnace]

boiz what addon or weak aura can i get to alert me when i'm being cycloned... combusted on or feared or polymorphed? So when someone is doing that the icon pops up on screen? is there an addon like that?

[sharp meteor]

Doesn't exist because unless it has a travel time there's no way to know it's on you.

If you wanna get laughed at for reflecting air as your healer gets bash-cloned behind a pillar then gladiatorlosa

[clever furnace]

i need to know if someone is casting it on me

obviously i wont know if they are focusing/casting

but if they are targetting me

is there a way i can know that?

[nimble jasper]

set focus

and have target of targets on

assuming they arent just arena123 or focus casting it on you

[sharp meteor]

having an air horn go off every time a poly/clone is cast seems like clutter

[elder wigeon]

it is

[sharp meteor]

or a flashing thing somewhere

like if you want a little notification for a coil/bolt or w/e on you, or grapple, cool

[elder wigeon]

you just need to pay attention to who's on DR and who's actually doing something worthy of a sheep

[sharp meteor]

buy honk clone honk poly isn't useful info

yeah you want to be aware of who the sheep is going to go on, or most likely to go on

they have to be careful with their drs

looking at your own dr as well as teammates kind of gives you the timer for when they're looking to setup

[mortal elm]

how to get saddle

for those cool mounts

i want the night elf panther

[knotty tangle]

Do pvp

[mortal elm]

I mean

obviosly

but is it that much rare drop?

alright nvm saw how its obtained

[warped warren]

its not even damage thats the "hard" part of ww

properly kiting is what most people fall on

anyone can stack hit combo and press para brew sweep tiger and fof

[full quiver]

Lol

Yeah I'm gonna be the most annoying monk they've ever played against

Los master

[fluid surge]

You perma use hamstring on killtarget and use Piercing howl when u can't connect 2 meele?

[full quiver]

As arms

I don't hit hamstring as often as fury

[elfin surge]

[fickle forge]

Imagine wanting to kite

Snooze

[warped warren]

ww not kiting 😹

[glad coral]

I want to start playing fury considering it’s been my favourite spec on any class and it’s taken forever to be viable in PvP, what’s the go to twos combo for fury, hpala or priest?

I’m just thinking about the struggle to connect to anyone kiting, Fmage and hunters being my worst enemy 😂

Additionally, what’s the best way to play def? I’m expecting frost mage rogue would be a bit of a horrible comp to play vs. I guess you’d play storm bolt in that situation

[spice hornet]

Fury hpriest, hpal, rdruid all good

[spice hornet]

Run double time and bloodrage talent and don’t waste mobility

[spice hornet]

Fury cant play def it needs to just zug and make the enemy play defensive, mosr mages are fire and you won’t really see frost/rogue 2s , go rogue because fire is an immortal god even 1800 fire mages are annoying to kill

[full quiver]

R u guys Maga supporters

Make arms great again

[wheat crane]

Dragons breath going to 45 sec cd in df?

Love to see it

[sharp meteor]

Curious to see what they get to compensate

[spice hornet]

hopefully nothing because they dont need any compensation KEKW

[spice hornet]

just wanna know why it took all of bfa clownfiesta and slands clownfiesta to increas this cd when people have been begging for it

same reason it took all of BFA to put a cd on gpie i guess for shadowlands

[full quiver]

Love when mages try to sheep gpie and rogur comes out before its finished

So you can just kick them on fire and then their whole go is fucked lol

[spice hornet]

why would the mage stand next to you

lmao

dumb r/m players

definitely one of the easiest 2.4k in 2s comps ever

love fighting one at 2.4k+ looking them up and theyhre hardstuck 2k in 3s

[full quiver]

Talking from stealth

[spice hornet]

ahh

[full quiver]

On hunter or feral

[spice hornet]

I like when they accidentally hardcast a pyro for a sec by mistake while busting or as soon as they bust and u just kick them

and they stand there

best feeling ever

usually very possible when they try casting the tinder fireball

they dont think youll kick them on it

[full quiver]

Lol

Yeah definitely done that before

[spice hornet]

can't wait for that iceblock heal talent to be gone

conduit8

hoping it doesnt become a talent

[sharp meteor]

It almost certainly will be.

[spice hornet]

[sharp meteor]

They love their "quality of life" safety nets.

Stealth shield conduit, heal on shield, heal on block, etc.

[spice hornet]

sooo bad

[sharp meteor]

Because it "feels good" for 99% of people (who don't pvp) because the spec has no sustain

[spice hornet]

probably the only think I enjoy about tbc arena is that rogues/mages can't heal (outside of evo or bandaging or w/e)

but theyre broken there in diff ways so its still unenjoyable

[spice hornet]

so dumb because arms has no sustain unless you count second wind which is unreliable, and arms seems to do just fine?

[wet scarab]

man it's so good playing with MW monk these days in 2s

haven't died to an assa rogue in a few weeks

[spice hornet]

oh ya and theyre eveerywhere now i dont like it

ranged disarm

[wet scarab]

they are very tilting to play against as melee

[spice hornet]

never ooms just stands at pillar max range pve heal

long game

[wet scarab]

had a cheese game against a prot pala and convoke feral where he ported every convoke

was hilarious

[spice hornet]

lmao dumbass convoke ferals

[wet scarab]

yeah it's very satisfying when their cheese is countered so perfectly every time

[spice hornet]

hate how people enjoy playing that

its easier to climb just pve'ing someone down as NL feral

[wet scarab]

apparently it gives people more of a hard-on to pull off those no-skill cheese things

[nimble jasper]

idk

[spice hornet]

they stealth nerfed the desert flute

was using it at the end of s2

[nimble jasper]

feral players

[spice hornet]

now it doesnt work

[nimble jasper]

are weird af

like idk why but feral just attracts so many cringe personalities

[spice hornet]

yeah feral players are weird

cringiest players ive encountered so far

[raw summit]

There is these ferals who rp as cats

[nimble jasper]

most commonly its a

“my spec is harder than rogue” complex

[spice hornet]

sidewinder BiS

[raw summit]

It is one of the complexer ones

Unless convokers

[spice hornet]

why do feral gotta stunlock me like a sub rogue sometimes

[nimble jasper]

ehh debatable

[wet scarab]

yeah it's basically a sense of constant victimhood because it's harder than rogue

[nimble jasper]

also one time i remember in s2 played orc clamps vs a feral

he mental boomed

[spice hornet]

lmao

[nimble jasper]

after seeing his stun reduced to 2secs

[wet scarab]

LOL

[spice hornet]

ever run orc + clamps + sephuz?

I play arms in 2s cause I hate my life and I just can't give up painbringer

[nimble jasper]

pre nerfs ye

[wheat crane]

Feel like DF is gonna be nice, gives them a chance to break apart overloaded class kits

Like i dont envy the pvp interns job trying to balance all the class + spec + covenants at the moment

Like trying to bandaid fix hundreds of combinations

[full quiver]

I hate queueing with and against mw

Lol

[nimble jasper]

pov queueing as melee

other team is outlaw mw

[full quiver]

Lol

[nimble jasper]

i played for fun yesterday and dropped a hunter 60-0 in 2 gcds tho

bte crit into greenskins pistol crit into another bte crit

[wheat crane]

Tptally legit lol

Do you still have to spam roll the bones to get a good buff or they kinda balance em

[full quiver]

Yeah that stuff can hit so hard

[spice hornet]

outlaw mw just afk out

[nimble jasper]

you kind of

roll off energy

or grand melee

rest you can kind of keep but its a cd now

altho im pretty sure in pvp cdr roll trumps all

[mortal elm]

I wish i could play a druid

in pvp

so i could get transmog for them

feral is so hard compared to warrior :(

[full quiver]

Lol it's not really

Just different

[sharp meteor]

Feral is much harder.

Spec also feels awful to be bad at.

[full quiver]

You just do your lil go and then run away

Lol

[spice hornet]

Play rdruid and I’ll help you get 1800 for the log

Mog

Free

[full quiver]

Just play venthyr guardian and go in and blast

Ezpz

[spice hornet]

fought that at like 1800 carrying my potato MM hunter friend who just came back. was on my sepsis assass and had to 1v1 the bear. dropped him 100-0 in like 2 secs

[wheat crane]

Its not very hard, just gotta get the opener down well

Then its smooth sailing from there

Necro draught is pretty fun to play

I hated convoke bite spec

But i think thats dead atm

[nimble jasper]

nah people still play it

feral prob has one of the highest skill ceilings

to play optimally

[wheat crane]

Aight, convoke bite spec is closer to a regular mele spec

If its still decent you might like it better

It is less buttons in general too

[nimble jasper]

also i swear alot of people

dont understand how feral dam works

[wheat crane]

Yea, its the only class that still has snapshot dots

[nimble jasper]

prob because weakauras dont have a dozen airhorns blaring

when feral frenzy popped

[wheat crane]

So unless you played like affi/spriest bleed feral back in the day its not the easiest to pick up

[nimble jasper]

good ferals also just dont let you play the game

as melee

[wheat crane]

The convoke bite is simple tho

[nimble jasper]

yeah

thats why most convoke ferals dont do anything

when convoke is on cd

[wheat crane]

Id play mine more but i like playing all 3 druid specs

And all 3 use dufferent covenants

So cant be bothered lol

[mortal elm]

That would be nice

[lucid walrus]

u can pick up from 60 renown on each @ least

[wheat crane]

Yea true

[mortal elm]

I am a druid main but for only pve, its like i have too many buttons and too many pressure cause of that

Forgetting some buttons to prens like brutal slash even, its about being a noob probably

[wheat crane]

Yea necro is alot of buttons

Could play boomie tho, kyrian boomies pretty simple

Macro everytging into fury of elune and just jump around pveing

[mortal elm]

But I agree it's really fun too

Even In keys

St is awwwful

Tho

Cause feral St tuned on convoke

Kek

[raw summit]

why are you talking about feral in keys

in the warrior pvp channel

[mortal elm]

I mean... check the convo what we talked?

[raw summit]

no

[mortal elm]

[warped warren]

no

[lucid walrus]

no

[full quiver]

Yeah just tf rake berserk ff as rip or whatever the order is

Then run away and do ff goes off stun dr

Lol

[fickle burrow]

yo

Necro or kyrian as fury in 2's with a Hpriest?

[sharp meteor]

they both fine

[fickle burrow]

also, would you even recommend Fury for 2's?

or should I just go arms

[sharp meteor]

fury ya

although kyrian arms with rdroo probs dece

[fickle burrow]

Playing with a friend who's playing Hpriest

So guess we'll stick to what we're doing

[sharp meteor]

conq banner feels nicer when against bad players because they aren't comfortable enough to peel it reliably and you just brute force through them

then you queue into the wall of rogues who just shut down all your shit

[fickle burrow]

yeah it's mostly rogue/mage or rogue/hunter or rogue/healer atm

[nimble jasper]

rogue hunter is kinda mid

in 2s

[full quiver]

Still remember last week at like 2300 mmr on dh

Accidentally left on rele and queued into rogue hunter

Still won lol

[lavish ember]

Thought sv hunter was the most difficult spec these days.

[nimble jasper]

lol no

its close but the bare minimum

is way lower now

feral you can usually tell how good they are in the first 2mins of the game

cant tell the difference between a 1600 and 2200 bm hunter tho

[full quiver]

😂

[nimble jasper]

and fury warrior this ssn

is basically bm hunter

people think they’re mud and insta trink the first disarm

[sharp meteor]

kind of have to LMAO

[full quiver]

Imagine not trinketing the first disarm smh

[nimble jasper]

feel like it depends

if its a team that can smoke you for not having trink

sketchy

[paper oracle]

thats why we play kyrain fury

[full quiver]

Just play dh and glimpse off your disarm during CT proc

[hasty crane]

Will season 4 have a new gladiator mount

[lucid walrus]

ya

[sharp meteor]

Presumably the bronze one.

[fickle burrow]

How do you play against Fmage/spriest

[sharp meteor]

mage is bait beat the shit out of the priest

fire is peel bust, frost is run on veins/deathborn

[nimble jasper]

feel like most spriest x comps

the plan is beat the shit out of the priest

cuz good sps control games so much

[lavish ember]

Is it me or is every game at the championship right now Rogue/X

[elder wigeon]

no it's just you watching a special version

[wheat jay]

There was one arms game

Looked stronger than fury against rmp

[elder wigeon]

idk why you'd play a warrior comp into rmp

[wheat jay]

Cuz they were playing mostly tsg

Could have had turbo

And spriest warr iirc, not sure

Tsg seemed best, and they won against them as tsg before

And blizo is THE gladiator warrior

[glad coral]

Thanks mate appreciate the tips

[elder wigeon]

yea i mean I'd prefer arms over fury into rmp but arms is worse into everything else imo so it's a bit more viable in that regard if you're not blind picking

one nice thing about fury over arms is bloodrage into rmp

I think fury WPS is the best warrior comp into rmp tho

[wheat jay]

Okay so wowhead has shown weapons from questing, dungeons, and raids

Does that mean

That these are pvp only weapons?

[spice hornet]

Too early to tell, they often put in weapon models that they don’t end up using

Or that they’ll use later on

[spice hornet]

Definitely looks like@pvp gear though

[wheat jay]

It really does

[simple rock]

I like these

nothing like a good bone weap

[full kiln]

very bad

bro

warrior needs so much pve gear in wotlk

cba playing it

[nimble jasper]

yeah thats oldschool wow

you must be new

[wheat jay]

In oldschool wow

You play everything

[full kiln]

ye

[wheat jay]

It is what it is

[full kiln]

u gotta make alts

u gotta raid alot

i mean

[wheat jay]

Ye that's how it was

[full kiln]

id play wotlk with alts and everything but how do i know they wont make cataclysm classic

[wheat jay]

You also need shadowmourne to pvp

[full kiln]

and delete my progress

[wheat jay]

Meaning you have to raid A LOT

[wheat jay]

So like when every expansion comes out?

[full kiln]

yeah like raid with alts collect DKP or whatever

ye i dont want classic cata man

i want it to stop

at wotlk

[wheat jay]

Ok

But who

[full kiln]

?

[wheat jay]

Who asked

Gottem

For real tho, old expansions make you appreciate new ones more

Raids are better, dungeons are better, classes are for the most part better, lfg systems are better, content separation is much better

Its just nostalgia that makes people play classic

[lucid walrus]

i miss old graphics

[full kiln]

maybe game gets better with new talent trees?

[lucid walrus]

less borrowed power is a good sign

whether it'll matter idk

[full kiln]

by less borrowed power you mean like

mage healing

?

[elder wigeon]

lol

that's not borrowed power really

[sharp meteor]

Conduits kind of are, and that's most of the healing, no?

Well, used to be. Now I guess it's just the uh, blazing barrier and short cd on it.

I'm not sure how mages died in Sinful.

[elder wigeon]

no it's not

[lucid walrus]

the short answer is anything other than talents nd stats from gear

azerite, essences, artifact power etc

[simple rock]

they didn't

[sharp meteor]

The ones I pulled out of LFG managed to find a way

[hasty crane]

Is Necro fury still the best in 2s

[sharp meteor]

Both covenants are nice

[mortal elm]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/cloth-pvp-armor-models-in-dragonflight-327814?webhook

why there is seperate cloth pvp armor

while there is tier armor already

[spice hornet]

means they were too lazy

get wrekjt

[mortal elm]

oh, right

historically pvp and pve armor is seperate right?

[spice hornet]

yeah lately

[sharp meteor]

Uh it has varied. I think until...wod? Wod s2-3 it was unique?

Then it swapped back to unique with warfronts

then to shared again

[mortal elm]

so it was less unique, more recolors historically?

[sharp meteor]

When I say unique i mean a completely new set for that class

stopped at end of wod where they started recoloring raid gear, which they did for legion

Idk we'll have to see if they do class pvp sets or if its just armor type or whatever

[nimble jasper]

wod s2

was same gear as mythic

[sharp meteor]

Yes, that's when it started, I think. Every season prior had unique gear.

Well, minus tbc which used recolors of tier gear, I guess.

[mortal elm]

having pvp and pve gear seperate transmog is very cool

[indigo barn]

They should go to progression based mogs, where each season builds on the last

[hexed ermine]

are any of "A New Deal" trinkets good for Fury?

[spice hornet]

Just aegis

[elder wigeon]

lol dks just delete aeghis by existing in 2 seconds flat

[simple rock]

bm feels much more consistent than aegis

aegis is just a tiny buffer in 3s

[hexed ermine]

i lol'd at "by existing"

[elder wigeon]

i didn't know how good I had it in season 2 when I escaped dk from season 1 and not knowing how many of them there was going to be in s3

[simple rock]

unholy is actually a disgusting spec

auto gameplay spec

[elder wigeon]

same with demo tbh

self play spec

dh and outlaw are also self play status

[nimble jasper]

why do you think its so popular

altho where the outlaw rmps at

[elder wigeon]

because it's very broken and very easy lol

[nimble jasper]

actually i think the big thing with outlaw rmp

is alot of mages cant function

on non sub variant

[elder wigeon]

the fire mage has to know how to pve

[nimble jasper]

yeye

you watch tourney mages

top dam

average duelist fire mage?

with the healer

on dam

[hexed ermine]

watching Xaryu fire mage is magical

[nimble jasper]

i swear average shitter mage

does 0 dam

outside bust

[hexed ermine]

yeah fire has to reset between burst pretty much

[nimble jasper]

xaryu lol

[earnest oasis]

Id love to see xaryu try play a warrior in this meta

[nimble jasper]

xaryu doesnt even make top 5 mages on NA

hell idk if top 10

ceralium is the best mage on NA and its not even close

[hexed ermine]

hell being top 100 is a feat in itself, idc if hes top 5 or not hes good and fun to watch

[nimble jasper]

he only started streaming wow again

cuz his lost fart content lost steam

[lucid walrus]

lost cause

[nimble jasper]

hes a good guy prob but

his mage bias

is hilarious

[hexed ermine]

well yeah many streamers go play the new hot thing. everyones lost ark content lost steam lol

outside of the ones who have cult following

[nimble jasper]

he has a decent following

not pika making 6 figures killing 1500 players

all day

[sharp meteor]

Living the dream

[nimble jasper]

@sharp meteor yeah dont matter if they cant win a single tourney series

cuz streaming money

[earnest oasis]

thats what I mean, he's completely privileged by rmp

[nimble jasper]

ok

let's not pretend ret war

requires a phd to play

[earnest oasis]

well i don't play ret war but nice assumption, i mostly wmp

[nimble jasper]

i mean war's fine

its just outlaw

is the best melee in the game

[earnest oasis]

war is not fine

its been getting progressively worse all expansion

[nimble jasper]

[earnest oasis]

nerfed over and over

[nimble jasper]

because s1 was balanced

uhh...

sinful ssn war

was borderline dh levels of braindead

class is fine now just because its not broken like rogue atm

doesnt mean its bad

[elder wigeon]

warrior is pretty unfun rn

[nimble jasper]

can we

nerf fury

buff arms

ty

[sharp meteor]

My fucking hands burn.

[nimble jasper]

fury is like assa rogue

0 brain

[earnest oasis]

there was skillful things to do on war in sinful like intervene reflect and every1 played aoe reflect

[nimble jasper]

w key do damage

ook ook

[simple rock]

he's also a really sore loser lmao

[sharp meteor]

Nah, even Assa ain't this ook ook.

You also have actual defensives as Assa.

[simple rock]

tries to hide it but he gets mad salty when he loses high rated games on stream

[nimble jasper]

its funny how

assa comparatively is considered

"bad"

vs the other two

rn

[earnest oasis]

how is the entire ladder dks demos and rogues

so miserable

[lucid walrus]

reroll o’clock

[earnest oasis]

theres no point of me playing this game if not playing warrior

we need the dragonflight talents to come out immediately

bout to just quit shadowlands i cant believe how hard wars have been shafted

[sharp meteor]

Quick and easy to setup a char now if you're a ranked player

It's like hey demo is nutty as is unh and everybody rerolls

[elder wigeon]

i have not found a single ounce of a difference between any of the dks/demos

[lucid walrus]

difference how?

[elder wigeon]

how they play, their performance, efficacy

[nimble jasper]

im surprised wws arent having a field day

perma 5 stacks of sck

[elder wigeon]

WW just gets slammed

every WW I play into I just murder

[nimble jasper]

i feel ww is just one of those specs

you have to be good at

cuz yeah you just die

[elder wigeon]

you have to be a god WW to make it in this meta

[earnest oasis]

yeah its the one thing i actually like queuing into on my war

[nimble jasper]

to anyone looking at you funny

[elder wigeon]

i hate WW's but they're not very good

[nimble jasper]

its prob

[elder wigeon]

DK's are just immortal gods that abuse hpriest modifiers

[nimble jasper]

one of the higher skillcapped melee yeah

dk you just passively live

[elder wigeon]

i swear to god dk is made good by hpriest modifier otherwise they'd just fall over

[nimble jasper]

would imagine outlaw thug

just eats dks though

with all their phys damage

[elder wigeon]

fury warriors murder dk's except the part where they spam 40K death strikes through 40% ms with guardian

[nimble jasper]

TRUE

[lucid walrus]

200k death strike funny moments

swear to christ i’ve seen it that high in a screencap somewhere

[elder wigeon]

it's really annoying I wanna kill the dk in demo dk but you have to go demo because that spec is more egregious somehow

[lucid walrus]

the way mirrors do and should treat dks in demo/dk is equal parts hilarious and disgusting

[elder wigeon]

if the tyrant isn't killed kicked or cced on abomb limb you just die through every cd in the game it's fucked

[sharp meteor]

It's like ranged retwarr that you can't even run away from.

2600 unh dks with gnaw on auto cast

[indigo barn]

Season 4 will fix it promise guys

Legit what specific adjustments would you guys like to see for S4 if blizzard bothers to let the eager intern to do some tuning for once

And not just "nerf fury, buff arms"

[nimble jasper]

honestly its kinda fried

how most of the mages just stopped playing

after mage lock got nerfed

even tho they still have an s tier comp

[elder wigeon]

I unironically had a healer ask me if I was disarming the unh dk on his abomb limb

does less than disarming a ret on wings lmfao

[spice hornet]

Even if you disarm that first limb the DKs just hold trinket for that since they can ibf ams lich Kekw

[earnest oasis]

what a moron healer he clearly has no clue

[elder wigeon]

they can still do everything they need to do while disarmed except death strike

[earnest oasis]

yep

no way to peel a dk

fear = lichborne

bolt = ibf

disarm = they can use every ability still

leap away

gripped instantly

[nimble jasper]

hope hes bad and doesnt cancel lichborne

and gets shackle undead

[earnest oasis]

wish there was some kind of counterplay into dks as war

[nimble jasper]

teammates

basically

[earnest oasis]

disarm used to actually mean something

[elder wigeon]

they just need to make more things require a weapon tbh

for dk's, monks, ferals, outlaw rogue, ret

frost gets owned pretty hard by disarm, unh dk just ignores it lmao

[nimble jasper]

outlaw it stops everything

besides the 2 gun abilities

[elder wigeon]

disarmed, still has their gun

[indigo barn]

Can you festering strike while disarmed?

[elder wigeon]

you don't play festering strike

everyone's playing clawing shadows

[indigo barn]

Clawing replayed scourge?

[nimble jasper]

yeah i mean

[indigo barn]

Not festering?

[nimble jasper]

disarming outlaw basically stops

all of their control

i guess it means something?

[elder wigeon]

sorta

[nimble jasper]

feral ig doesnt make sense

[elder wigeon]

they're still pistol shotting the shit out of you

[nimble jasper]

since that class doesnt use a wep

[earnest oasis]

wow 6 seconds of reprieve from infinite cc

[nimble jasper]

pistol shot hits like a noodle

[earnest oasis]

its irrelevant into outlaw

[nimble jasper]

tbf

if not greenskin's

[elder wigeon]

can still kill totems, psyfiend etc while disarmed as outlaw

and build combo points

big problem

[nimble jasper]

i guess

altho inefficient

and better off just feinting and waiting it out

[elder wigeon]

not inefficient if you need pts out of the disarm

[nimble jasper]

🤷

[elder wigeon]

ok so it looks like you can't festering strike or clawing shadows while disarmed

[indigo barn]

Can you apoc?

[elder wigeon]

pick your poison though, stop a menial amount of dmg for 6 seconds on their 20 second burst or stop their healing for 6 seconds on your cds lmao

apoc requires weapon

[lucid walrus]

appalling how giving rogue disarm kind of just affected us, mm hunters & other rogues

[nimble jasper]

does it not affect surv

ik you cant killshot while disarmed but idk about rest of kit

i've always found it strange how survival seems to fulfill the "beastmaster" theme more than bm

[lucid walrus]

blizz has never known what to do with surv

also idk about disarm efficacy on them

[simple rock]

the counterplay is to run like a bitch then kill them in 2 goes

dk gets absolutely destroyed by fury

[elder wigeon]

only when you aint got a bitchass demo crankin you

[earnest oasis]

every game i q into a dk its with a demo lock so then what genius

[elder wigeon]

lmfao

i beat every demo dk until the dk's figured out you just ape me and use every cd and i just die through every cd lmao

leap reflect the death grip but can't avoid the limb grips

[simple rock]

do everything you can to stop demo dmg with cc on the zoo then start running behind pillar

trade every cd still because this game sucks ass

[obsidian loom]

I feel like the IQ of LFG healers has dropped to refrigerator levels this season

"WHY DIDNT YOU WALL" brother I did it's 30%

[sharp meteor]

Why would a good healer be in lfg unless they were bored and drunk on an alt or something

[obsidian loom]

[elder wigeon]

lmfao

[lucid walrus]

great point

i simply don’t have an answer

[obsidian loom]

Yeah I didn't think of that tbh

[elder wigeon]

yea i got flamed a bit about a game where I legit trinketed coil kicked a tyrant cast on their dreadstalkers, walled and aeghised at 70%, got axe tossed out of the axe toss feared the tyrant and dk, then proceeded to die and I got flamed

[obsidian loom]

If you're an LFG healer you have no friends

[sharp meteor]

even a 1700 fotm healer is going to collect btags like they're candy

[obsidian loom]

"just fear the lock lol"

As if I can roll cast fear

[lucid walrus]

i hope the guys with white crosses on their role have an easier time next season

i can’t blame healers rn

[elder wigeon]

healing is extreme aids this season for sure

[sharp meteor]

ya watch teammate die from 80% through wall in a second and a half

dmg (and healing) is just too high for these tiny hp pools

[lucid walrus]

it just doesn’t seem like it’d be fun the whole xpac

damp metas mentally draining, burst metas infuriating

rare to have a season somewhere in between in the game’s current iteration

[elder wigeon]

i mean this meta is pretty damp if everything is traded perfectly

[sharp meteor]

ya lov 10 min games

[elder wigeon]

the problem is the nuclear arms race between healing and dmg

[sharp meteor]

knife fight 🔪 anybody slips up dies insta

[lucid walrus]

haven’t played at a high enough level this ssn to see perfect trading tbh

[elder wigeon]

healing and dmg has gone up pretty much proportionally and the problem is everything's a glass cannon

i had an rsham at 9% top himself through 40% ms without ascendance

[lucid walrus]

most i’ve seen is 5-7m usually if we’re excluding crosskill grudge matches

[elder wigeon]

like in what world is that okay lmao

or hpallies topping their entire team with 1 wog

[lucid walrus]

tbf 9% is probably apeshit mastery for rsham but no ascend on it is wild

[elder wigeon]

or hpriest shitting the bed guardian raying and pressing both chargest of serenity and being essentially bubbled

[sharp meteor]

my brain is just fried from seeing health bars go from 19% to 92% in a global from an instant

on a target with ms

[elder wigeon]

i love it

[sharp meteor]

its like he's dead here

oh he's topped

coo

[elder wigeon]

that was lovely last season rdruids topping through 50% damp and sharpen

[sharp meteor]

oh the rogue is fried he dr'd his kkidney

sike still have to trinket

[lucid walrus]

for some reason my brain didn’t wrap around your “nerf damage and healing” rhetoric the first few times you’d mentioned it enu

i get that you’re referring to volatility though

[sharp meteor]

its just too high relative to health pools

bfa was too low

[elder wigeon]

it's too easy to 1 shot and top people through everything

that's what I'm saying

[lucid walrus]

yea for sure

[sharp meteor]

have games swing in a war stomp because people just get banged insta

which is particularly bad at low mmr because newbies all quit

[elder wigeon]

more so an issue with certain specs than others but overall it's a problem

[lucid walrus]

what sucks is the “just trade defensives” part that new guys don’t get isn’t even something that’d save them in a lot of cases

like yeah they need to press their buttons but it literally wouldn’t matter in some circumstances

[elder wigeon]

I took a 2300 ret and 2400 hpriest to 2800 mmr and 2.7 cr in like 2 hours just by guiding the ret, didn't really have to say much to the priest

ret war is pretty damn stupid

[earnest oasis]

ive been struggling into rsham teams too it seems like they have way too much throughput

[elder wigeon]

sorta

they have a lot of instant/passive throughput but a purge comp or high output comp with a lot of cc makes rshams struggle

like rshams are essentially dead weight against ret war

@cerulean vapor wyd

i saw you

[lucid walrus]

many lurkers

[sharp meteor]

👀

[nimble jasper]

@sharp meteor i got hit

by 1s kidney

[lucid walrus]

when the rogue hits u with the dollar store kidney

[sharp meteor]

Maximum panic.

[nimble jasper]

well

i played orc sephuz pirate into him

he must have not

had a good time

also is there a demo build

that lowers fel dom cd

cuz this mf fast rez his pet

4x

in 3mins

[sharp meteor]

Are you sure he didn't just despawn it

I don't remember anything that'd give him fast rez that frequently but it is on a short cd at max rank conduit

[elder wigeon]

fel domination is a 96 second cd

[nimble jasper]

he def rezzed it

more than that

really fast

[elder wigeon]

odd

[full quiver]

Lol outplayed

[sharp meteor]

Haven't seen that.

[sharp meteor]

So the way I believe eye of killrogg works is that it despawns your active demon

then it'll pop back out whenever you cancel it

and it can be used to save your pet

[nimble jasper]

ik

[lucid walrus]

doesn’t it port back to you as well

[nimble jasper]

but this man was trying to cast summon wrathguard

[lucid walrus]

bc it’s a resummon

[nimble jasper]

so the dumb mf 100% let it die

generally i've noticed best strat into warlocks is unload your burst into healer

cuz healers who play with locks are often giga bad

@sharp meteor https://twitter.com/RMazrigos/status/1544456735276023810

RAT-MAZRIGOS (@RMazrigos)

fucking love sub rogue

just killed a dh through predark blur after i misscliked kidney into fleshcraft

thats the move baby

def not a complete retard spec

Twitter · Jul 5, 2022, 11:02 PM

[sharp meteor]

wooo -cracks claw-

[nimble jasper]

https://twitter.com/RMazrigos/status/1545900797245915136

RAT-MAZRIGOS (@RMazrigos)

https://t.co/vwEYa5M5C9

Twitter · Jul 9, 2022, 10:40 PM

[brisk haven]

is it ever worth pressing bloodthirst

[sharp meteor]

Yep.

It's just usually you're cranking between rampage and raging/crushing.

[brisk haven]

what do you do when getting trained

[elder wigeon]

worthwhile if you're far from a rampage and you have no enrage up

[sharp meteor]

Stay calm and don't drag dps onto your healer which'll set you further behind.

Also as Enu says its good during downtime or to get the ball rolling again, like if you get cc'd or kited on a rampage and can't build back up immediately with raging blows.

There's also of course bloodthirsting during enraged regen to not explode.

[brisk haven]

how do you guys set up ur intervene macros

[elder wigeon]

just with /cast [@player] intervene

i have two binds for healer and dps

[simple rock]

#showtooltip Intervene
/cancelaura Bladestorm
/cast [nomod,target=playername] intervene
/cast [nomod,target=playername] intervene

one macro for heals one for dps

[elder wigeon]

i have it on scroll wheel up and down

gets spammed like a mf

[brisk haven]

ah nice

speaking of bladestorm

is it a good proc at the start of the game

when u press reck

[simple rock]

man I should change my vene macro to scroll up scroll down since I don't need target party on warr

yea cuz it delays the disarm

so you can desync your big cd from their disarm

[sharp meteor]

cancelaura bladestorm, intervene party 1 and then another for 2

[brisk haven]

ah i see

[sharp meteor]

well, actually i use @names now to avoid inting the first match, although sortgroup should also fix that

[brisk haven]

do you ever start the fight with bladestorm?

[sharp meteor]

i always queue with the same people so that's fine but party 12 is ideal i think

storming opener feels very bad as fury

[brisk haven]

yea

which is why i find it awk when i recklessness

[sharp meteor]

unless it's going to dodge a bolt coil or you know it'll let you disarm the rogue or whatever

[brisk haven]

and it puts me into bladestorm

[simple rock]

I queue with diff healers and they have different group sorting setups so it'd be weird to use party 1 and 2

[brisk haven]

is fury good in 2v2?

[simple rock]

yeah

gets farmed by rogues though

[brisk haven]

ah

what should i play with

[simple rock]

any healer is fine if you're just starting out

rdruid/mw/hpriest best though imo

queue with feral, ret, or enh if you wanna get freaky though

[brisk haven]

k

[sharp meteor]

honestly any healer is fine although i know mine laments playing hpal into hunters

and half your queues are into hunters

[simple rock]

playing with rsham or hpal past 2300-2400 was suffering for me

but any highrated 2s is suffering to be fair

[lucid walrus]

ng+ mode

[simple rock]

2s turbo seems really solid

but it's probably autoloss into subrogue

[brisk haven]

how do you play vs rogue mage

[nimble jasper]

bonk rogue

if you're not playing with a priest killing mage is prob not an option even

[brisk haven]

why is my dmg lower than my ret pally

we have similar gear

[elder wigeon]

rets do more dmg than warriors

[brisk haven]

ah bet

we just gotta keep the ms up then?

[elder wigeon]

well yeah regardless

[brisk haven]

what trinkets are yall running

[nimble jasper]

depends on matchup

[elder wigeon]

badge or aegis pretty much

bm vs something like thug

or jungle if i really need it

[brisk haven]

yikes i just got shit on by ele destro

how do you play vs casters

[nimble jasper]

depends on your comp

and theirs

[brisk haven]

playing with hpriest

and vs ele destro

[nimble jasper]

thats just a

run ele down

angle

[simple rock]

bm seems strictly better into sub rogue

[elder wigeon]

aegis is still good into sub

cuz of resonator and shadow dmg

[simple rock]

if you aegis low you can still die

during duel or something

that's the main issue I have with it

[nimble jasper]

if he gets rng procs

you die anyway

lmao

[simple rock]

bm will save you

[elder wigeon]

i mean you shouldn't aegis low, either pre aegis or pair with trinket

[simple rock]

yea but sometimes you can't

bm just seems more consistent

[nimble jasper]

@simple rock https://twitter.com/RMazrigos/status/1532353816103878657

RAT-MAZRIGOS (@RMazrigos)

"at least i don't play outlaw"

sub rogue :

https://t.co/BLmJUGuk2y

Twitter · Jun 2, 2022, 1:29 PM

[elder wigeon]

rare that there's sub rogue without mage

[nimble jasper]

die through 94% ros

[simple rock]

into rmp i always wear bm

[nimble jasper]

shit like this is why i cant take people complaining about sepsis of all things

serious

[simple rock]

before nerf aegis for sure

[brisk haven]

as in angle the bolts?

[simple rock]

but its always felt lackluster after

[nimble jasper]

no

just fuck up the ele

run on cds

[brisk haven]

ah

[simple rock]

[nimble jasper]

YE

die to just badge kyrian

ros 94%

[simple rock]

i mean

he dies anyway with aegis

sub rogue burst is half magic dmg right?

[nimble jasper]

psure i was talking with some eu r1 mage and he said

[elder wigeon]

yeah i mean i could kill a hunter 100-0 with a 6 second stun through ros as a warrior

but that's the thing, I'm a warrior lol

[nimble jasper]

"idk why but NA rmps just mental boom if you cuck their go"

and forget how to play teh game

[simple rock]

eu ladder players are straight up better than NA

ngl

[nimble jasper]

he did say he doesnt understand

why na rmps dont just

send a kidney

and do dam

[simple rock]

i'm gonna learn sub next xpac

enough is enough

[elder wigeon]

if fatality is unnerfed in pvp, unless arms is made of paper then it will be season 12 tier

IE you'll get nuked from orbit

[viscid bluff]

Is it bad to start pvp now

[lucid walrus]

depends what you want

[elder wigeon]

if you have absolutely zero gear it's gonna take you most of the rest of the season to gear up, and then you'll have to gear up all over again pretty much immediately, though, you'll be gearing up with everyone else with season 4, it's up to you

[lucid walrus]

if he’s in this late i assume it’s just for the set. doesn’t make the grind less of a pain in the ass tbf

[sharp meteor]

Honor gear next season is duelist gear now

So play is probs to chill, farm 15k for new season in 2 weeks

[lean burrow]

should I ever kick smite/holy fire casts?

feels bad to just let them farm stun back

[solar grail]

so what all appearances are different when upgraded to 2100? i randomly got a different cloak now too

so weapons

cloak

what else?

[raw summit]

everything that's upgraded 8/9 goes into elite color

even offset conq gear

[fickle forge]

It's not a top prio, but if you do you still lock them out of their healing spells

[solar grail]

oh i thought the elite set's mog was just unlocked at the rating

[raw summit]

our is unlocked at 1800

[solar grail]

our?

[raw summit]

but this item is a paladin off piece

and only turns elite color for 2100

[solar grail]

oh i thought the elite color was the grey and green

[raw summit]

warriors is

paladins and dks have this darker tone

[halcyon socket]

Elite s4 set are differents ?

[raw summit]

no

[halcyon socket]

Aah lazy blizz

[raw summit]

but you can get the other offset stuff

[raw summit]

eu posers man

[lucid walrus]

ew yellow class

[stuck karma]

[wheat jay]

Nah that's him

Man's rerolling to the best class in the game

Especially for Dragonflight

[obsidian loom]

Finally hit duelist for the season, I've never faced so many rogues in my life

What are you doing with those daggers stepsis

[raw summit]

mud would never go maghar

[wheat jay]

He can't read

He thought its normal orc

[raw summit]

fair

[lean burrow]

mud is rogue now?

[wheat jay]

Yes

[raw summit]

Mudhar orc too

[indigo barn]

And Australian?

[hasty crane]

I know many warriors who swapped to rogue this season