pvp

[normal patrol]

alright ty

[sharp meteor]

In a raw target dummy situation I think Mastery is a bit ahead of Haste it's just that Haste in PvP does that thing where it makes everything a little easier/smoother especially when it comes to maintaining Slaughterhouse stacks.

[raw summit]

haste is crack and i am addicted

[wet scarab]

How come

[wheat jay]

Zero defensives in 10.0

Actually zero

And there's three skills that charge you to enemy

So noone will escape, but you dont even have any walls to trade lmao

Only turtle on 3min cd

[spice hornet]

As it should be

survival hunter scum

[wheat jay]

I want every spec to be equal

I dislike unskillful mechanics etc

[uncut robin]

Not a Tom Brady pfp

[wheat jay]

I dont think a spec that's supposedly melee should have zero defensives to trade while being in melee

[spice hornet]

it is never even in melee anymore

[wheat jay]

It will be tho

Cuz most of the talents buff raptor strike dmg

[spice hornet]

Fuuuu

[wheat jay]

And there's three separate skills that charge

So you'll be always in melee

[spice hornet]

Well it should have some sort of defensive other than turtle

[wheat jay]

Ye, i dont care about it too much when im full ranged

But being in melee, having three charge skills, albeit on long cd

There should be something that allowd you to live

Also, no craven

Which is good

[sharp meteor]

People gotta die.

[wheat jay]

But i was expecting something in its place

Like, a small 1min CD wall would be ideal imo

[sharp meteor]

No, just death.

[wheat jay]

Like 20% wall and i dunno, dmg gets changed to a dot so you avoid 100-0 lol

Unless healer is in cc

And turtle wouldn't save you either

So both good and with drawbacks

Oh well

[wheat jay]

But papa holinka, I already died inside

[fickle forge]

What

The

Fuck

[wheat jay]

There's more busted shit for rogue

[elder wigeon]

ass rogue has 4 poisons

[wheat jay]

And double poison application with some talent

As in, they count double

[nimble jasper]

outlaw has an 11yd kick

during flurry

[full quiver]

did you see the one below that

where sub gets vanish to reset cds as well

[raw summit]

[full quiver]

and then below that

where vanish gives big dam

[raw summit]

the famed tripple kidney

[full quiver]

lmao

yeh

followed by 7 point evis

⚖️

[raw summit]

🙏

[elder wigeon]

dragon tempered blades is beyond broken

having wound and deadly poison, mind numbing and crippling is beyond busted

assassination is now the new fury warrior with wound stacking 2x more

[fickle forge]

Isn't mind a lethal?

[elder wigeon]

no

[sharp meteor]

No?

[fickle forge]

Don't ? it

Could easily have been

Smh

[elder wigeon]

i want shockwave to compensate these specs getting the most insane talents known to man

[fickle forge]

Also I think x2 more on Wound is just what assassa has baseline rn

[raw summit]

u gotta ask for 4 things given the gravity of these

[elder wigeon]

ok i want skull banner back too and reck as arms

[fickle forge]

Prep'ing for the inevitable self heal on the general warr tree

[simple rock]

give us second wind in combat

mop second wind

peak gameplay

[elder wigeon]

nah give wrath second wind

depending on how fast DF is, mop second wind is useless

wrath second wind is very good though

[near delta]

What the fuck???

[wheat jay]

Lmao

Fam you're not the special child

You dont get shit

[elder wigeon]

assassination will have MS all the time with 4 poisons

[wheat jay]

You're neither yellow nor blue

[spice hornet]

well if youre dying to rmp, you are not playing mentally well. you need to learn to not overlap

[fickle forge]

Just don't be mentally weak, libtard

[wheat jay]

You need to position better

[spice hornet]

spread out to avoid getting triple crossed

[simple rock]

wrath second wind is exactly the same as tbc second wind

[spice hornet]

get dueled and bomb

[simple rock]

it would be trash in fast meta

[spice hornet]

dueled and 1 shot*

[simple rock]

mop second healed for a lot no?

and fairly quick?

[spice hornet]

it kept you above the threshold yes

fairly easily

[fickle forge]

3% per sec while sub-35%

[spice hornet]

could pull off 2v1's with it

[fickle forge]

Would be 2250 HPS alone atm

Omega busted

[sage raptor]

There's a talent for a second charge

[spice hornet]

[wheat jay]

You'd die through it instantly lmao

[elder wigeon]

that's funny considering I get 60-0ed by rets in a second

bypassing the second wind nearly by 2x lmao

[spice hornet]

sub rogue with the 21k evis 17k dup'd evis and 26k resonator all at once

[fickle forge]

[wheat jay]

That's why second wind would be dogshit

[sage raptor]

With the amount of cool shit rogue gets, they gotta give us cool stuff too.

[full quiver]

just accept that gutted shadowlands arms warrior

is gonna be what you get

and reroll outlaw

[fickle forge]

[wheat jay]

If its healing, then wod enraged regen would be best

Press it, heal some insta, heal some over timr

20/20% healing insta and over time would be good

[spice hornet]

lets go back to dot spec arms

[fickle forge]

Stop.

[wheat jay]

Give it like 90s cd or sth

[spice hornet]

rather play slands than bfa, the dot spec was literally 0 fun

also no reason to bring a warr or a dk/ww/rogue in that time

[elder wigeon]

bfa cringe post

[spice hornet]

visions got really annoying to do as well

for the sockets

for cloak level on alts

like fuggg

[wheat jay]

Visions were fun, did 5mask first in my guild, as arms

[spice hornet]

remember if you failed a vision you int'd your progress

lmao

[wheat jay]

Felt like mage tower a bit, at least at the start, once it became a routine it was dogshit

[spice hornet]

that patch was so dogshit with the rng, the bad vision design

[sage raptor]

I just wanna say that all my rogue predictions came true. For my next prediction, all warriors get Shockwave and/or thunderclap and prot warriors will get the thunderclap root pvp talent in their pve talent tree. As well as necro banner or spear.

[spice hornet]

only got ok when the corrupt vendor came out

[wheat jay]

Nah bro

[sage raptor]

Yes

You gotta believe

[wheat jay]

Give warriors more control over their dmg

No more dogshit rng

Survi got dogshit rng

Fucking killshot proc working the same as 4set now

[sage raptor]

You'll see

[wheat jay]

Except the chance is 1/3 of the current 4set xD

[sage raptor]

Nothing I said was rng

[wheat jay]

Dogshit

[wheat jay]

Ye but include "removal of rng" in your post

Thanks

[sage raptor]

Look at unholy tree and you tell me they're taking rng away.

[wheat jay]

Havent checked it too much

I cba unholy

I love Frost tree tho

Might play it some more

[raw summit]

uh tree be like

so either you get full wounds with one fester

[sage raptor]

rolls dice

[raw summit]

or ur gna hit it like 3 times

ok so i have 3 wounds and i need 4 for apoc

oh i fester and overcapped

sad

[nimble jasper]

@fickle forge you forgetting assassination has a new non lethal

that just makes you do 3% less damage

[sage raptor]

I think we might not have pvp talents next expansion. Either that or we'll only have a couple.

[simple rock]

pvp talents are staying in

they will do a "refresh" in 10.1 or so

like in 9,1

[sage raptor]

Oh yeah I remember Mr. PVP Saying that.

[wheat jay]

Roguelinka?

[sage raptor]

Ye

[wheat jay]

Waiting for mage to still have 10s blink

And sheild on it

[nimble jasper]

also unless im high

you can take deeper stratagem on both sub/outlaw and the general rogue trees

7cp cap?

[sage raptor]

Perhaps

[raw summit]

https://twitter.com/BorngoodW/status/1545524763153485826?s=20&t=waQTf_zZqo7qafqoLGxbMA

Borngood_wow (@BorngoodW)

PvP has now died for raid and mythic+ utility, was a fun adventure friends.

Twitter · Jul 8, 2022, 9:46 PM

[elder wigeon]

all we can do is cope and hope we get an even more broken tree to combat these filthy rogues

something like weapon chain passive for arms, shield wall and parry, wrath second wind, recklessness for arms, intervene removing snares/roots

stuff like that

[indigo barn]

I had a look through the rogue talents and baseline abilities.... And I cannot find kidney shot

Is it removed?

[elder wigeon]

no it's not

it's still there they just forgot to add it, wowhead that is

in the original world of warcraft post it's there

and referenced multiple times in the talent trees

[simple rock]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/transfer-cosmic-flux-to-alts-with-new-pouch-of-prodigious-wonders-item-327608

dear lord

finally

[elder wigeon]

now I can finally reroll dk with minimal effort

[simple rock]

kinda it took them this long

but standard blizz I guess

[elder wigeon]

eh whatever

can we get a talent like this but except it's any time we press c smash bladestorm or avatar and it gives us a charge of charge?

pls and thx blizz

[wet scarab]

Man that outlaw offensive cdr talent sounds absolutely broken

They will be even more cancer in both 2s and 3s

[elder wigeon]

i mean sub rogues now have infinite mobility

there's no way it doesn't get nerfed

literally infinite shadow steps

[wet scarab]

Outlaw RMP combust every 30 seconds kekw

[elder wigeon]

step -> teammate -> stealth -> refund -> step back -> dance -> refund -> step -> cheapshot -> step back -> kidney

[wet scarab]

I’m sure it’ll be okay in pvp as this broken shit always is right

Good news though is all the hunters seem mad

I’m not sure why exactly but it makes me happy

[simple rock]

that cdr party buff will not make it to live

unless they go full pepega

[wet scarab]

I imagine it’ll stay but be nerfed somehow

Or have an ICD

It will absolutely make outlaw mandatory in raids, multiple ones too because of this archaic partywide idiocy

[undone pumice]

it will make it to live but something "broken" like warrior being able to have ravager and bladestorm wont

[sharp meteor]

Rogue at Voidlands levels of power

[sage raptor]

Why the doom post?

[sharp meteor]

Did u look at rogue tree LMAO

[obsidian loom]

bro if holinka thinks participation is bad now

theres going to be no healers in 10.0

im convinced arms tree is going to be like: 1) you get 1 charge, OR 2) you get a 2s stormbolt, OR 3) you get intimidating

pick 1

mortal strike baseline, but no heal debuff

[warped warren]

grapple and step for pirates

[elder wigeon]

it's a rogue world, we just live in it

[warped warren]

thats a 2 part talent after mortal

after the 3part cdr talent

[obsidian loom]

[sage raptor]

I did. I thought it was bananas

But as the only real ride or die outlaw main in NA, I liked it.

As anything else, I hate it.

The shit we got baseline made me feel bad for DK and makes me worried for warrior.

[obsidian loom]

Anyone in the rogue discord

I bet they found a single thing to bitch about and are being dramatic while ignoring their god-class annointing

[wet scarab]

im trying out demo lock on my alt who is 4% vers

just randomly winning with no rhyme or reason

dont understand the spec at all

[obsidian loom]

[sage raptor]

They're saying it's too strong actually. The pvp people were when I looked. Idk about spec channels.

They don't like double stratagem and realz said they're thinking (emphasis on the thinking) about capping kidney shot at five combo points.

With this new stratagem thing

That didn't go over well

[obsidian loom]

[nimble jasper]

theres no way the cdr talent goes live

or remains that strong

people complain about windfury totem as is in pve

and thats not as bad

[spice hornet]

[elder wigeon]

windfury totem has counterplay

IE just 1 tap it with any ability

[nimble jasper]

i meant shit's gonna get nerfed

cuz its already problematic in pve

[elder wigeon]

cope

[nimble jasper]

just reducing 4 other people's cds

[elder wigeon]

it won't get nerfed sub rogue will be the first spec in the game with infinite mobility, assassination rogues will outclass warriors in every facet, it's bfa 2.0 the coping can stop

[nimble jasper]

tho tbh pve nerfs they will do

im more concerned sub now has a gajillion ways to kill you in pvp

rotten, cold blood, kyrian lego

[elder wigeon]

kyrian lego?

[nimble jasper]

the rogue kyrian ability

is on the tree too

[elder wigeon]

to a lesser extent but yes

[nimble jasper]

and the lego effect charging more than 1 pt

[elder wigeon]

not quire

[spice hornet]

You warriors had all of shadowlands being s tier stfu and let rogues be king for once

[elder wigeon]

that talent charges 2 more pts, the lego charges 3 pts for 4

lol

[nimble jasper]

pretty close

[robust geyser]

No.

[nimble jasper]

esp with that dumb thing that gives you one too

first dance giving you 4cp on your dance use and rotten making a shadowstrike fill your entire bar

[elder wigeon]

as if sub rogue hasn't been S all of shadowlands including this season as well

[nimble jasper]

its gonna be p disgust imo

only "nerf" i can see

[elder wigeon]

and will continue to be the best it's ever been

[nimble jasper]

is you only get 1s off dance per cp spent now

instead of the current 1.5

[elder wigeon]

it's easier to get combo points in DF

and sub rogue has access to the outlaw 3 yard extend

which is sickening

[nimble jasper]

if you can actually take deeper strata on both trees

and they dont cap kidney stun at 5 combo points

oh lord

[elder wigeon]

I'll likely reroll to assassination rogue for all of DF if arms doesn't get wall + parry, wrath second wind, shockwave and stormbolt

at the minimum

[nimble jasper]

personally I feel sub will be stronger

unless assassination is straight

unhealable

[elder wigeon]

not for cleaves

i'll play ret rogue

[nimble jasper]

ret rogue is usually sub ret

isnt it

[elder wigeon]

unless they gut ret completely like they usually do

nah

depends on what's good, last time ret rouge was good, sub was a completely different spec

sub used to function more like assassination does

[nimble jasper]

yeh

s1 it could work but meh

rps was more of an assa comp imo

[elder wigeon]

RPS will likely be nuts

sp tree is really really good

[near delta]

P O S I T I O N I N G

[ancient spindle]

Anyone running some ppv and got room for a nub?

[low cobalt]

i can't wait for warrior talent tree preview 🙏

[near delta]

Ayyy https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/my-alt-needs-cosmic-flux/1273108/4

[near delta]

I have hopium that it's gonna be good

[raw summit]

Mf names his lock ndogofury

DOWN HORRENDOUS

[grand scaffold]

lmao

[paper oracle]

never too late to start the season

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/489432034519941166/995180096501592175/unknown.png

[grand scaffold]

grats

[silver karma]

Should I play kyr or necro fury atm?

[paper oracle]

kyrian fury feels really good

but i'm playing kitty

mainly because right now sometimes your best defensive is running away

[spice hornet]

God one shot meme build assass pushes my shit on my alt lock

Literally die through dark pact UR at 100

I’m afflic not demo

[frail badge]

should i ever use disarm over some other honor talent as fury warrior?

[raw summit]

It all depends on what you face

[frail badge]

thanks what are the honor talent that i should moslty be using then? i have endruing rage. disarm and slaughterhouse i am currently using

and i am 1799 in 2s and 1723 in 3s, if my goal is 2.1 before the season end if possible which bracket should i stick with iyo?

[elder wigeon]

dks rogues and warriors are what you take disarm against, i would say dh but they play glimpse and get out of it

[frail badge]

thanks which honor talent should i replace to use disarm in that situtation?

[elder wigeon]

can play cookie cutter battle trance enduring rage slaughterhouse

some comps you give up enduring rage for bloodrage

mostly root heavy comps like mage lock or survival jungle

i personally think battle trance > enduring rage especially when uptime is an issue

or if you're getting targeted

[frail badge]

thanks ill try the trance rage and house, which should i replace with disarm of the three if i need too?

[elder wigeon]

depends on the comp usually enduring rage though, but that's just my opinion

[frail badge]

ok thanks that what i thought too

and use double time plus the root charge againt mages right?

[elder wigeon]

you have to take 9.2k+ dps for enduring rage to be better in mitigation/healing over battle trance IF enrage is to fall

that's before any mortal strike however

depends on your comp whether or not you give up stormbolt for mobility or heals

[raw summit]

he who is good with the numbers 🧠

[elder wigeon]

if you're getting sharpened with battle trance over enduring rage, enduring is better you have to be taking 4.6k+ DPS WHEN enrage isn't up for it to be better, then you have to consider how much dmg you're taking when enrage is up vs not in that case

it's very convoluted, but from a defensive standpoint battle trance is usually better in every case

if you're considering warpaint uptime from enrage

[frail badge]

thanks that helps a lot

[elder wigeon]

if you're not concerned about being a target in a matchup, enduring rage is one of the best dmg pvp talents

[frail badge]

which bracket should i stick with if you dont mind me asking to try and get 2.1 before season ends? 2s im 1799 and 3s i am 1723

[elder wigeon]

battle trance can definitely look good on paper when you're taking chip damage from cleave and it's padding the heal meters with very casual healing

I'd only take battle trance IF you're the kill target, otherwise enduring rage will serve you much better

but when you're the kill target it's roughly equivocal to 920HPS + 1 rage per second which adds up over a game

[elder wigeon]

3v3 is more inflated

2v2 doesn't favor warriors that much in this meta as well, warriors perform better in 3's, that's also something to consider

[raw summit]

If you dont have 1800 gear

[frail badge]

thanks ill try 3s then some more, i like 3s more anyway is its one more person to play with from a social point of view

[raw summit]

Get the win in 2s

[frail badge]

i have 1800 gear

[raw summit]

Then ignore 2s and go 3s if you want

[frail badge]

i peaked at 1850 in 2s then lost a bunch

should i always make my own lfg listing or is joining other groups ok iyo?

[elder wigeon]

both are fine

[frail badge]

ok thanks thats what i thought

[frail badge]

rogues are better in 2s then i take then warriros are? i have rogue too, so when if i feel like im not making any progress on warr i switch that for a try maybe

[elder wigeon]

absolutely rogues are better than warrior in 2's

most specifically outlaw

outlaw is like +400cr relative to your skill in 2's

[frail badge]

what does that mean? like it would perform better even if im not great you mean?

[elder wigeon]

when I play against 2500 outlaws they play like a 2.1kcr anything else

[frail badge]

oh ok i understand now thanks

i did not know outlaw was good in 2s also as i thought it was only a 3s thing

[elder wigeon]

outlaw rogue really shits on warrior though

[warm urchin]

Outlaw rdruid in 2s is fun to play as a warrior. You might aswell tab out and watch something you wont get to play the game anyways

[full kiln]

ret war vs ele/demo

its hard to win

[clear wharf]

is it crit > vers for pvp arms ?

[raw summit]

All ur items have vers anyways

[clear wharf]

im not max level

im a lower level gamer

dont have shadowlqands

[sharp meteor]

then don't even bother looking at stats

[clear wharf]

okay haha

<some dirt level 20

[nimble jasper]

pvping at non max level

[clear wharf]

lol twinking

NGL not gonna pay for a game i dont have time for

[fickle forge]

then don't even bother looking at stats

[nimble jasper]

twinking’s a dead meme

if you dont have time idk why you’re playing

[sharp meteor]

one of my healers is on less than an hour a week

doesn't take too long to get most stuff done

[warped warren]

then don't even bother looking at stats

[scarlet barn]

then don't even bother looking at stats

[lucid walrus]

then don’t even bother looking at stats

[full kiln]

are feral and fury good comp

[sharp meteor]

Yeah.

Well, okayish.

[full kiln]

or ele and lock cuz op

[nimble jasper]

yeah thing is

most eles are bad and cant play

without another caster

goes for most caster players just mages have to learn to play with a melee since rmp is so broken

@sharp meteor imaginr if 8s kidney in DF

+hunter wailing arrow silence

rip casters a new one

[lucid walrus]

reading "rogues get group utility in dragonflight" made me retch violently

[nimble jasper]

its a pve thing

arguably a meh class in raid

[lucid walrus]

yeah i figured

[wheat jay]

Until its best cuz of pure dps

Happened few fimes

[nimble jasper]

basically

if its not highest of pure dps

its benchworthy

cuz you dont bring anything to raid

[wheat jay]

Or if it cheeses a mechanic

Like zul in uldir

[nimble jasper]

just different in pvp and m+

because cc matters

in those 2 forms of content

[wheat jay]

Fucking 10 rogues on a boss lmao

[nimble jasper]

thing is

that mechanic existed

all of legion

[wheat jay]

I hope their utility wont be some wack buffs to smoke bomb or something lol

[nimble jasper]

they just realized its good in bfa cuz they designed a boss you can abuse it on

funny thing is

that passive was 10% in legion

cut to 5% in bfa beta

then rebuffed to 8

as it was about to go live

then removed after zul

sin has a passive 3.6% dmg reduction

but still wont beat outlaw cdr for 4 people

[wheat jay]

Speaking of pve, i hope we get old sweeping strikes talent again

From bfa or legion

[nimble jasper]

cutting at least 30 secs off 4 peoples cds

every 2mins

is just broken

[lucid walrus]

their talent tree highlight blueposts talked abt how they intend to keep "need-to-have" utility for classes that have it

ergo brez, presumably shout, etc. the stuff you'd bring a spec for basically

[nimble jasper]

i literally called all 3 specs

getting gouge and garrote silence

when i saw the spec crossover shit

[wheat jay]

Every spec is three expansions behind rogue and frost dk right now

In terms of talents

Priest maybe two

[nimble jasper]

sin and outlaw getting dance

as a talent is so weird

[wheat jay]

Ye

Meanwhile my survi got dicked

Everything is just a 3 points talent with %dmg buff to a skill

[nimble jasper]

outlaw 11 yd range

gonna be something

[wheat jay]

Ye fuck that

I get 3 yards

For 3 talent points

[nimble jasper]

did not expect you could have

both feint dr and cheat death

[wheat jay]

Ohh i lost explosive traptoo

Which was my favourite trap

With high risk/reward

[nimble jasper]

weird to me they kept vanish cdr

but only for sub

and it only has 2 charges cuz why not

[lucid walrus]

gotta wonder which cabal of devs orchestrates rogues literally always being good

[nimble jasper]

balancing pve and pvp together

is just a mess imo

bosses cant be cced

players can

mage and rogue are 2 class archetypes in most rpgs that are intended to be glass cannons

instead they’re just cannons in wow

[lucid walrus]

titanium cannons

[nimble jasper]

i feel its a weird balance

cuz bad rogues and mages still flop

since you need to press buttons to be immortal

which 1600 players dont do

[full kiln]

are warrior talents op

@nimble jasper

[lucid walrus]

we don't have them yet

did u hack silmarilen's pc to take a look

[full kiln]

whan is warrior being released?

[lucid walrus]

dunno

6 days or earlier probably

[full kiln]

they will make arms good again

for sure

[nimble jasper]

again?

it is technically good

just fury busted

[full kiln]

protection pvp in dragonflight

[raw summit]

bin

[lucid walrus]

bin

[clear wharf]

what is the bnnest warrior music?

best*

if i wanna be like a sick warrior

[nimble jasper]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vVtm-jtzCxs

[clear wharf]

i wantr to make a video soon

is videos hard?

[nimble jasper]

i mean takes awhile

if you dont have a good editor

[clear wharf]

<total beginner

im quite good i just dont stream or video or w.e im casual but im really good

ty for tips mich

[nimble jasper]

x to doubt

if you dont have an experienced editor its not gonna come out that nice

[grand scaffold]

hahaha

[clear wharf]

this is cell phone recoprding of a potato

lol

i need new shoes , thiking abouit some es'

[nimble jasper]

yeah idk if you got potato quality

no one’s gonna watch

[clear wharf]

MT wrong channel

worst like 480 ?

[spice hornet]

A lot of warriors QQing about rouges when warr had s1-s4 slands of being king, let rouge shine for once

[clear wharf]

BRO is it me or is thjere like 5400000000 healkers on this weekend

[nimble jasper]

480p

[clear wharf]

woodwork kids

[nimble jasper]

what the hell

thats like

2010

or worse

[clear wharf]

mich its bad

hunters queing 5 man with3 healers

thats how gross

[nimble jasper]

i mean

twinking is a meme

always has been

used to be fun

but still a meme

[clear wharf]

yeah totes

max level best

[nimble jasper]

i mean gonna be honest

[clear wharf]

but this is al i got so yolo lol

[nimble jasper]

people who play twink pvp

and dont do xpoff premades

got issues

[clear wharf]

i used to

inlegion

[nimble jasper]

🤷‍♂️

[clear wharf]

its fun but wauy to try hard

[nimble jasper]

twinking been dead for years

[clear wharf]

ndl its hella fun

[nimble jasper]

wdym tryhard

[clear wharf]

mop twinking was lit

[nimble jasper]

you’re not a real twink player

if you dont have several lucky fishing hats

and agms

to your name

[clear wharf]

brb homies coming over

[sharp meteor]

cata 70s were fun

[nimble jasper]

grab borean tundra int buff

take someones hp to half with one holy shock

hahahaha

[simple rock]

2 vanishes pog!

we tbc now

[elder wigeon]

if we're giving rogues this insane toolkit I'm gonna need shockwave back blizz thanks

[spice hornet]

I miss shockwave

[elder wigeon]

I suppose they're just gonna make rogues and locks deity tier and it'll be cata 2.0

[scarlet barn]

best i can do is nerfing dstance again

[elder wigeon]

someone say 30/5?

[lucid walrus]

1/1

[undone pumice]

5/5

[warped warren]

guys

your defensive spell

is gonna be for 10% dr

enjoy

[spice hornet]

A lot of warriors QQing about rouges when warr had s1-s4 slands of being king, let rouge shine for once

[undone pumice]

[sage raptor]

No

Let dks shine for once

Rogue poopy

[elder wigeon]

s1-4 lmao

yes RMP hasn't been the best comp all expansion

[sage raptor]

Since 2006

[elder wigeon]

RMP has had moments where it hasn't been the best definitely

[sage raptor]

But it was still good

[elder wigeon]

sure

[spice hornet]

I’d I could go back in time to when I started playing wow when I was 12 years in classic

I’d main rogue

And just play rmp every season

All 30 of them

[raw summit]

and youd be the new mes with all glad dragons

[elder wigeon]

if I could go back in time I would've tried way harder in mop

[twilit flax]

Play wow with us join the sheeeeeeeeep. Consume😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫 take our yearssssss

[elder wigeon]

what

[spice hornet]

I would just play to rival every season cause I always had to run the game on the lowest settings until bfa s4 when I graduated college and got a good job to get good OC

Missed out

[raw summit]

if i could i woulda started before sl

[wheat jay]

S1 wod

For the set

[raw summit]

also for the cms

[wheat jay]

Metal power ranger unicorn

[sharp meteor]

Wishing they'd make sets with unique animated parts ever again.

😭

[wheat jay]

Next season looks good

And good base for animated stuff

[spice hornet]

I have that I never know whether to wear that or ruthless elite

[sharp meteor]

Ruthless rarer but looks like booty.

[hazy isle]

i wish i played wow during wod....

[sharp meteor]

You say that but Wod was an actual pit of despair where sentiment was actually that the game was going to die.

[spice hornet]

Sadly I have the dk elite ruthless boots because they were itemized for warr so I can’t fully match

[frozen meadow]

Hey all. I’m gonna be using my 60 boost on a human arms warrior to do mostly pvp soon. anyone know a pvp guild I can join? DM me pls so I know what realm to do it on.

[undone pumice]

pvp guilda dont exist

[frozen meadow]

I’ve been mostly pve oriented, but always get my seasonal mount, ending at about 1700 -1800 every season, but want to get more serious and less pugging.

[raw summit]

Pvp guilds isnt really a thing

You just queue with friends

[frozen meadow]

All my friends are ded! 🙂 (or don’t do pvp or stopped playing)

[undone pumice]

make new friends

[frozen meadow]

That’s why I’m here! :p

https://tenor.com/view/friend-spongebob-smile-want-gif-23862635

[undone pumice]

i am not your friend

i do not associate with sheets of metal

[frozen meadow]

Well I’m not your friend either buddy!

[undone pumice]

good

[frozen meadow]

I won’t even be your buddy, pal!

[undone pumice]

good

[frozen meadow]

Won’t even be your pal, comrade!

[undone pumice]

splendid

[frozen meadow]

Ragnametal leaves warrior discord and logs onto rogue discord

[frozen meadow]

Cries in warrior

We all still agree that human is best ally race right? And best covenant for arena? Necro?

[void pulsar]

I have a question. I'm very close to a weapon. Should I buy main pieces and continue rocking the honor weps?

[raw summit]

weapon and 4p are your main priority

[frozen meadow]

Jailer HC kill only costs 110k now. That’s a nice chance for a big weapon.

[sharp meteor]

or just get the pvp one

[lean burrow]

is there any point in breaking heal stream totem if it's standing for 5+ seconds?

like if it got placed and i got cced

[nimble jasper]

yeah but why not just play orc

[fiery marsh]

whats the best covenant for fury war guys?

[sharp meteor]

mmm necro or kyrian depending on what u queuing

[sage raptor]

Because orcs are for booger eaters

[lucid walrus]

rogue just straight up doesn't have kidney on df talent tree

i don't see it baseline anywhere either

[sharp meteor]

It's baseline.

[lucid walrus]

talents on this page mention it but it doesn't show up here

[raw summit]

It's mentioned like everywhere they prolly just missed it in the writeup

[sage raptor]

Is that all the baseline abilities?

[raw summit]

It's baseline

[sage raptor]

Plus the KS ofc

[simple rock]

A lot of warriors QQing about rouges when warr had s1-s4 slands of being king, let rouge shine for once

[sage raptor]

A lot of warriors QQing about rouges when warr had s1-s4 slands of being king, let rouge shine for once

[undone pumice]

I don't think you understand how hard it is to play Fury Warrior. All this talk that we are "busted" and "constantly complaining for more buffs" just doesnt make sense. We are one of the few classes that FINALLY get to shine after all these years (looking at you MAGES ). Rotationally, its very complex for what we have to do to do "good" damage. Not only do we have to put Slaughterhouse on a lot of targets, we ALSO have to make sure our Crushing Blow is mashed AND our Winbringer is in the perfect angle to do ANY damage. We lose everything if enemies move at all. Classes like Mage and Hunter don't have to worry about enemies being smart like WE do. On top of all of this, the apm it takes to play Fury is more than any other class has ever been. We are constantly getting FLOODED with Crushing Blow charges and if we ever overcap, its gg (that means good game). When I'm playing fury, I'm never not pressing a button while mages get to sit there and hard cast Pyroblast (3 [three] second cast btw [by the way]). I'd like to see other people even try and compete with me as a Fury Warrior because they would crumble under the weight of all the responsibility, apm, and mental pressure it takes to pull off what I can do. Whatever, I'm out, I gotta go do some high queues now, pushing for that 2k (2,000 [two thousand]) rating, later nerds.

[raw summit]

https://c.tenor.com/pbgPwSDR3j4AAAAC/im-losing-my-fucking-mind-im-losing-my-mind.gif

[warped warren]

s4 🤓

[sage raptor]

Rouge

[graceful ginkgo]

Just got back, can you upgrade pvp Armor that you have turned into a Tier Set item?

[simple rock]

yea

[graceful ginkgo]

Kk thx

[nimble jasper]

never take anyone’s opinion serious

who spells it rouge

[raw summit]

rogue is the clown makeup for rogue apogists

[graceful ginkgo]

Never take anything serious

[raw summit]

[raw summit]

never take anything for granit either

[graceful ginkgo]

Nothing ever is

[thick reef]

If I coulda went back I would have played more in S1 and get glad cuz I like the word sinful

[reef flare]

How to kill rogues in 2v2? Please, I must know.

[elder wigeon]

hope they waste everything for fun

[reef flare]

ok will burn prayer paper thanks for insightful help

[sharp meteor]

honestly u don't but sometimes they int cds

feels cooked going into a match like "okay hope this guy doesn't have hands" but that's how it be

[nimble jasper]

you hope healer doesnt have hands

and bonk him

[spice hornet]

A lot of warriors QQing about rouges when warr had s1-s4 slands of being king, let rouge shine for once

[snow river]

i heard it got leaked that outlaw rogues are getting 2 2 handers in dragonflight

[reef flare]

I heard that rogues are getting a PvP talent that resets 3 random 1-minute+ CD's whenever they emote /fart

big if true

[simple rock]

be GIGAchad spec that can hit rogues THROUGH evasion

insane

[reef flare]

so dual wield Chaos Bolts?

[sly wasp]

how important is your offhand wep for fury? debating on buying 2 pieces or the oh?

[sharp meteor]

Tier first.

Honor weapon, tier, then conq offhand

[sly wasp]

I have tier and I have conq main hand and honor offhand atm was debating on buying like boots,cloak,bracers or is it more important to get the conq offhand first?

[radiant oasis]

are these guys really getting both

[undone pumice]

bet that sham wont even get harvest

[nimble jasper]

thats not even close to the biggest offender

[radiant oasis]

what else is there

[fiery marsh]

sorry just saw your msg. queuing bg's or 2s, whats best? necro or kyrian?

[lucid walrus]

don't worry they get sepsis too

[acoustic lintel]

the rogue playing intern is really going all out, yea no wonder rogue never gets hit with nerfs

[lucid walrus]

fella glows in the dark fs

[nimble jasper]

why did you take an ss of blades cdr

[nimble jasper]

garrote silence gouge, the rotten, shadowdust 2 vanish charges

[spice hornet]

A lot of warriors QQing about rouges when warr had s1-s4 slands of being king, let rouge shine for once

[full quiver]

Lol

[lavish ember]

Yeah cause they never shined before.

[lucid walrus]

idk i'm dumb nd forgot what sepsis icon looked like for a sec

[fiery marsh]

Guys Necro or Kyrian for 2s mostly (or bg) as a fury?

[thick reef]

whats the general playstyle of dh/war/healer, cc wise?

[proven maple]

@spice hornet rogues shine for once? You gotta be facetious trolling.

[proven maple]

like I know you’re trolling. But it’s still bothering me

[fickle forge]

Sham getting nothing, but keeping Vesper 😎 👍

[lavish ember]

Wish people would get at least a bit of gear before hopping into rated...40k health healer doesnt heal much.

[full kiln]

boring

[full kiln]

weakauras will make me better player i need to set em up @raw summit

[red ridge]

Hello all, i dont play warrior but my friend does heavily. We want to do 3s... what is the "most optimal" comp for us to run in 3s this season?

Ill play any class but he is sticking with warrior and our healer is an hpaladin

[silver karma]

necro or kyr for 2s atm?

[red ridge]

Depends on ur partner imo

[red ridge]

I played enhancement shaman and we found kyrian to be redundant

[silver karma]

playing with a hpal

[thick reef]

In a way I feel it's better with turbo for Kyrian war

Ooooh misread the comment lol my b, ngl both covs def work with enhance

[red ridge]

For everyone! What dps would be the best to pair for 3s

[thick reef]

What spec are you?

Arms or Fury

[turbid sparrow]

Do you use gavel in arena?

[undone pumice]

none of us have it i think

and if u dont already

dont bother

[sharp meteor]

Might be cool for super juiced opener with tsg or something.

[red ridge]

Fury

[fiery marsh]

Guys Necro or Kyrian for 2s as a Fury War (playing with hpal)?

[obsidian loom]

i need a sweaty arena ui

[clear wharf]

rogue gonna be super OP

[full kiln]

no

[raw summit]

copy whaaz one 🧠

[obsidian loom]

where can i get it

[raw summit]

you go to his twitch and then replicate it with addons

[thick jungle]

But how much is Fury better than arms in arena?

[raw summit]

[obsidian loom]

👍

[raw summit]

think its bartender and uhh moveanything to scale shit

[thick jungle]

Have not played in a month so have kept up with changes

[raw summit]

but im not sure

[raw summit]

fury still ahead but closer

[thick jungle]

Ngl i just hope they buff arms so it's better

[full kiln]

yes

or nerf fury to oblivion make class dead

[thick jungle]

No because i want warr to be gigachad tho

[ancient spindle]

Who is a good warrior pvp streamer?

[raw summit]

check #268491842637660160 for some

[ripe inlet]

Is echoing resolve worth trying out?

[fickle forge]

No

[spice hornet]

Mud is but he rerolled rouge upon seeing their talent tree

[lucid walrus]

his double dagger fury was actually just him preparing to reroll

few know this

[grand scaffold]

seriously?

[spice hornet]

Yup

[wheat jay]

Sadly

But after seeing that tree who wouldn't

Im swapping from survi too

[raw summit]

Poor artji

Gotta go rogue too

[full quiver]

@mud

????

@lilmuddie

[spice hornet]

He went to the rouge discord

[full quiver]

He's a rogue now 😮

[wheat jay]

@mud

Man's gone

[full quiver]

@bruin

@calibri

All the good ones are gone

[spice hornet]

Where did they all go

[simple rock]

to classic

[wheat jay]

To ravenholdt

[simple rock]

to play highly competitive game mode

[undone pumice]

@MUD

[elfin surge]

wtf

peasants

[undone pumice]

why cant i ping u dirtfartface

[elfin surge]

@elfin surge

[undone pumice]

@elfin surge @elfin surge

[raw summit]

@elfin surge

we good

[grand scaffold]

have there been anymore trees released since the rogue tree?

[spice hornet]

@elfin surge where have you been

[raw summit]

hunter one

[grand scaffold]

ooh

is it good?

[raw summit]

take a look

[grand scaffold]

well i can see the legendary bow

looks good but i dont play hunter

so in your opinion is it good

[spice hornet]

Go ask the hunters if they like it

@grand scaffold you kinda remind me of bruin

In a way

[warped warren]

rip cali

[grand scaffold]

i miss bruin

what happened to that guy

[raw summit]

mage

[grand scaffold]

so he does his paragraphs on the mage discord now

[raw summit]

idk i just saw him there

[spice hornet]

He quit I believe and then phil saw@him in the mage discord recently so I assume he came back and made a mage

And then someone else said they killed him in Dalaran sewers the other week and he was mad

[raw summit]

Saw him in tmog channel

Told him we missed him

[spice hornet]

I miss the meltdowns so much

[wheat jay]

Lets just say there wont be too many survival hunters

Worst tree as of now

[full kiln]

is scamming boosters legal?

[raw summit]

Wdym by scamming

Just not paying or what

[grand scaffold]

HALLELUJAH

[full kiln]

yes

[wheat jay]

You say that, but there will be millions of rogues lmao

[lucid walrus]

don't think so

[wheat crane]

Aight im coming back, and what happened calis dead to us?

[lucid walrus]

oh shit

yeah cali's long gone sadly

[wheat crane]

Cant believe im gonna be playing fury

What a time to be alive

[wheat crane]

Lmfao was gonna ask what covenant to be now then something deep inside me said CHECKTHEFUCKINGPINS

[full kiln]

@elfin surge im watching your stream

[wheat crane]

LOL im still banned on the ret discord

[lucid walrus]

it's necro now yeah

[red ridge]

Does WW/Fury/Hpaladin work in pvp well?

[sharp meteor]

necro good kyrian good

[wheat crane]

Think im still venthyr

Rip

[spice hornet]

I played that to like 2500 earlier in the season

As necro fury

Fun comp

And glad viable

Only issue was around the time we were qing kept fighting this arms/prot warr/hpal comp

Literally can’t kill anything because all physical dmg and no dispel

Double spear

Extremely tilting

[sharp meteor]

Unlucky as shit.

I haven't seen a single prot warr.

[fiery marsh]

Guys is icy veins a reliable website for pvp guides?

[sharp meteor]

depends on who wrote it but probably not

[fiery marsh]

Karanze wrote it

dont know him/her

[lucid walrus]

i've never met a @fickle forge in my life

[mystic barn]

icyveins is pepsi to wowheads coke

[fiery marsh]

well wow head doesnt have a 9.2.5 guide for fury

[fiery marsh]

nah not skills, but BiS gear, legendaries

thats what im confused about

[sharp meteor]

crit bad

signet/deathmaker

wat else u need to know

kyrian good necro good, retwarr and turb good

[fiery marsh]

kyrian > necro in 2s with a hpal,

?

[sharp meteor]

idk i just played necro and it felt fine/good into everything except rogues

[full kiln]

this mud plays good

watching for hour

@sharp meteor but idk

i cant pull this off man why

[sharp meteor]

pull what off

[full kiln]

he pops cds kills people

i pop cd people survive it

[sharp meteor]

ya conq reck is murdererous

[raw summit]

Mud is full gear

Are you?

[full kiln]

no

:- (

[sharp meteor]

don't need full gear to body somebody in opener as necro fury

although having hpriest for offensive stuff is nice

[raw summit]

Wonder why he does more dam

[full kiln]

i started playing wow

in worst season

ever

[wheat crane]

Its always terrible

Just q up

Lift weights

Q up more

[raw summit]

Bay Zed

[wheat crane]

Get rank 1 duelist like me

[raw summit]

Patrick here got it right

[full kiln]

rank 1 duelist

[wheat crane]

^^

[raw summit]

Now show us that business card Paul

[sharp meteor]

tanked alt warr to like 2550 mmr i wanna set myself on fire (in minecraft)

[full kiln]

i should punish myself for loses with push ups rofl

[raw summit]

10 per loss

[full kiln]

5 per win

[raw summit]

Yep

[full kiln]

ok phil

[wheat crane]

Great idea

Get the blood flowin

[wheat crane]

Rov always runs that

Dont know if hes still here tho

Wonder if he learned how to cook chicken properly yet

[sharp meteor]

🍗

[sharp meteor]

Might as well do something while in queue.

[warped warren]

you mean bearicus?

[wheat crane]

LOL, perfect name change

[warped warren]

hes a 2.8 bear nowadays

[wheat crane]

Definitely a powerbottom

[warped warren]

my eyes

[sage raptor]

Funny enough

Every ret main I know is gay

[raw summit]

Nothing more masculine than banging a dude

[undone pumice]

@gg

[wheat crane]

GOTTEM

[lean burrow]

it wasn't terrible in second season

which I missed

missed free rating

free glad mount

[sharp meteor]

it's always terrible in some way or another

just easy to forget what made it terrible later

when it's even worse

[lean burrow]

and then we get season 4 without any changes

that's just season 3 but longer

oh god

[wheat crane]

Is there no class tunning for s4?

[lean burrow]

rogue mage is never getting nerfed anyway

[sharp meteor]

dunno yet

could be decent round of changes

might be literally nothing

could reskin the glad drake to be purple

nobody knows

[wheat crane]

Aight

Whatever itll just be fun to plsy fury for the first time in years outside of random bgs

[sharp meteor]

ya it's wild runnin people down

[obsidian loom]

Destro got a buff

[wheat crane]

Arent locks demo atm?

Specs miserable to play against

Shits everywhere on screen

[lucid walrus]

ya

it's gross

[indigo barn]

Requiring a nameplate add-on to PvP

[simple rock]

try "AdvancedInterfaceOptions"

you can disable minions but keep totems and pets enabled

if you want default nameplates

[lean burrow]

does it also hide dreadstalkers, 15-sec fel guard, imps?

without hiding psy fiend/darkglare

would it work with Plater?

[simple rock]

not sure, I use KUInameplates

but yeah it hides everything except main pets and totems

so psyfied counts as main pet so it appears

but not dark glare

[lean burrow]

thx

[simple rock]

as warr I just click on the tyrant if I wanna kick/stun

not ideal but w/e

[lean burrow]

tyrant is considered main pet?

[simple rock]

no

felguard is

[lean burrow]

tyrant is gonna be hidden?

[simple rock]

yea

[lean burrow]

[simple rock]

normally as warr you're light years away from tyrant anyway

I had to turn it all back on on my ele though

cuz I couldn't reliably click on tyrant to kick

[lean burrow]

maybe it'd be better to hide nameplates in Plater using script by mob's name

to hide all demon-clutter except tyrant

[sharp meteor]

Yep.

[lean burrow]

what are other classes' minions?

i don't even know what's considered "minion" except imps

[lucid walrus]

dk pet counts iirc

[simple rock]

spirit wolves

kevins oozeling

[lean burrow]

funny, kevin's oozeling is included in hiding script by default

[simple rock]

this game has way too much pet clutter

hope they get rid of a lot of it in df

[lean burrow]

seems like shaman's elementals are also minions

[simple rock]

no

they are main pet

[lean burrow]

i'm googling this rn, all I have is some old reddit posts

why is there no wiki for this

[simple rock]

/tar [@arenapet1]
/tar [@arenapet2]
/tar [@arenapet3]

if that macro doesn't target it i'm pretty sure it counts as minion

could be wrong though

[elder wigeon]

few things that I'm sick of

1. Druids drinking in stealth (are the drinks invisible too?)
2. RMP
3. DK (pure dps btw, top heals btw)
4. Fury warrior (can use two two handers but only has two hands)
5. Demo lock (also pure dps btw)

[solar grail]

if i buy a pvp helm and convert it to tier with the catalyst, can i upgrade it still with honor and rating?

[thick reef]

What am I meant to do against a hunter?

[spice hornet]

Yes it will follow the PvP upgrade path

[spice hornet]

Bash his face in

If 2s then prolly just leave if you don’t kill him with CDs right away

[elder wigeon]

you can shit stomp any bad hunter all the way up to 2500 in 2's

at that point you're playing against hunters that sorta know how to press their buttons

[solar grail]

does it matter which pvp helm i buy, they both get converted into the same tier one, right?

[lucid walrus]

yea

[thick reef]

Trying to do rated and get more gear but constantly queuing into people with 32-35% vers. I'm sitting at 25% and I feel like I do no dmg to them. Is there a better way of farming conq gear?

[lucid walrus]

nope

vers should get up there pretty quick though

[stuck karma]

If you have a high gear alt you can send boxes from it

[elder wigeon]

you only really want ~30% vers

32% vers is only 7% more dmg, if they're doing >7% more damage than you then it's not your vers

[thick reef]

I'm also lacking any 278 weapons, I'm guessing that would contribute to it too?

[lucid walrus]

plays a part

weapons are your single biggest upgrade and a pretty big chunk of vers

[scarlet barn]

How can you not know famous warrior @fickle forge

[lean burrow]

method guides are dr pepper?

[fickle forge]

Google doc guides are the real sigmas

[lucid walrus]

smexxin.jpg

[elfin surge]

hi friends

[full kiln]

so there is