pvp

[raw summit]

very zugzug

[lavish ember]

Fury is the best war spec.

[wheat jay]

[sage raptor]

Arms is for weaklings who can't carry two swords.

[full kiln]

dominos has this feature to activate on press not release?

[sharp meteor]

I thought that was a keyboard config thing.

[spice hornet]

i swear that used to be a wow config option

spell on button release

not on button down

[sharp meteor]

might've been, they hid a bunch of shit over the years

like the lag tolerance slider because everybody set it to zero LMAO

[void pulsar]

Is battlelord a useful lego for arms? I'm only trying for 1800

[elder wigeon]

no

enduring only for dps

[void pulsar]

Well I can't use it since I haven't gotten unity yet so seeking an alternative until I do

[sharp meteor]

It seems like a worse version of Enduring.

[elder wigeon]

I really wouldn't recommend arms right now and especially so if you can't play enduring lol

[sharp meteor]

Yep.

Not playing Enduring on Arms feels like pulling all your eggs into the basket that is your partner (ret or enh) and hoping that you can support them killing somebody.

[void pulsar]

I'm only doing 2s atm

Alright I'll go back to fury. I can run deathmaker right or should I stick with signet?

[elder wigeon]

both are good

[full quiver]

just go in and press every dam button in opener as fury and you'll get your 1800 lol

[void pulsar]

Lmao

[sage raptor]

I have found it

The funniest thing ever said

[elder wigeon]

what lol

[full quiver]

lol

i have seen some buddies who play at 1600 try to do RM

and it's fucking hilariou

[grand scaffold]

huh

[sharp meteor]

i swear everybody who says this is actually spazzin out like the avg havoc player

and actually trying to do too much rather than just

pressing their buttons together off dr

[nimble jasper]

low rated RM is actual circus material

its a joke of a comp to play if you understand how arena works though

@sharp meteor wanna see something fried

guy in priest discord apparently said a mage told him to go chastise stun

to help him setup polys

🤡

in sub rmp

[sharp meteor]

klasdakjhs

[nimble jasper]

guy claims the dude was a current r1 mage but psure he was getting scamaz'ed

good mages dont need any help landing sheeps

also putting someone on stun dr so you cant go them after your original kill target trades...

[nimble jasper]

thats also the fucked up part of sub rmp atm

the fact they can just do a go on someone else

in the same round of drs

[sharp meteor]

yeah queue into beardman and have to watch if the mage sends blasts/pyros

because they'll often expect immediate use and will go to poly it and swap go onto another target

and if you go into the match not realizing that you burn two trinkets opener so first trinket has to be able to cover them swapping go

i hate rmp i hate rmp i hate rmp

[near delta]

What the fuck lmao

[graceful ginkgo]

why not 2 legendary rings (pin)? because of lower vers?

[elder wigeon]

No because you want to use a speed ring

[full quiver]

Speed ring seems a bit redundant on fury

[elder wigeon]

nah

[graceful ginkgo]

thx

[sharp meteor]

can use speed neck

[elder wigeon]

I wouldn't that's where sephuz and mirror goes

[spice hornet]

mirror and sephuz? but zug

[sharp meteor]

still torn on sephuz

seems okay into rm especially bad ones

but really it usually doesn't change anything

maybe still the best but that 50/50 storm on initial reck is nice

sike rogue duels it

[elder wigeon]

sephuz is trash, doesn't let you live vs RM honestly

even on the dogwater zero cd goes

RM just has too much damage for sephuz to matter anymore I just opt for more damage

[sharp meteor]

it's actually unreal how much attention u have to pay to their dmg because with hpriest they can legit just randomly kill you in any dr even no major cds

a single, SINGLE overlap and insta death next dr

[spice hornet]

Yeah I kept trying to use sephuz into rmx and it felt useless, benefit more from dmg from signet and the root breaks/bs immune

[undone pumice]

[sharp meteor]

honestly the bs on reck can be so great

[elder wigeon]

the nerfs to fire mage survivability still wasn't even close to enough

rogues are still stupidly hard to kill in RMP as well

[sharp meteor]

duel, disarm, alter, pod, db cd, life grip conduit cd, fire/sub/holy just reliably crossing 3 people off dr

all the numbers nerfs in the world to their durability won't matter for most stuff

[elder wigeon]

a big nerf fire mage needs is a rework to alter time to be affected by dampening or mortal strike, and only last 5 seconds

[sharp meteor]

mhm

and/or can't cancel

[full kiln]

@sharp meteor what are viable comps for fury bored of ret fury

[sharp meteor]

idk depends on your interpretation of viable

i have seen fury played with every other class in glad win range

like i am 99% sure i have seen fury played with every other dps spec

actually haven't seen fury/arcane or arms/fury but everything else ye

[elder wigeon]

my opinion on other dps to make comps with fury

@full kiln

[full kiln]

ye demo fury must be pain

[elder wigeon]

it's good

[warped warren]

E

ah with fury

[full kiln]

@warped warren what do you think about this list

eot

[elder wigeon]

yes specs to play with fury

[warped warren]

idc about fury

if you play fury

youre worse than a rmp player

[elder wigeon]

lol shut up

[warped warren]

change my mind

[full kiln]

!votekick

[elder wigeon]

not even going to try to you're lost

[warped warren]

pro tip

you cant

[elder wigeon]

exactly

[warped warren]

filthy fury rerollers

[sharp meteor]

but why

[warped warren]

should leave this discord

[sharp meteor]

even tanks aren't that bad

[full kiln]

eto arms player

weak spec

arms so weak i would never play it @warped warren

rather quit

[elder wigeon]

I want fury gutted and arms buffed but that's not going to happen so why cope and play arms and just seethe

[full kiln]

you make sense resune

[warped warren]

cringe

and cringepilled

dont talk to me ever again

[elder wigeon]

that's blackpill behavior

[warped warren]

who are you even

[elder wigeon]

you won't be rewarded for playing arms

[sage raptor]

Cuckpill

[warped warren]

well

[elder wigeon]

you'll be held back by your stubbornness

[warped warren]

id rather hate my life playing arms

than hate my life playing fury

so yeah

[elder wigeon]

I'd rather hate playing fury and winning than like playing arms but losing

[warped warren]

na

not happening

[elder wigeon]

then sink with the titanic

[warped warren]

yes

just waiting for the day dstance becomes 20% dr again

[elder wigeon]

it won't

[sharp meteor]

it won't

[warped warren]

)

[sharp meteor]

they might dial dmg nerf down to 10% but i wouldn't count on it

[warped warren]

then i wont care about pvp ever again

ig

[sharp meteor]

can't wait for dragonlands when parry is a 3 minute cd and dstance will 10% yep

[elder wigeon]

it was made 2 minutes in SL

[warped warren]

talent tree waiting room

also

[elder wigeon]

so unless they nerf it, it'll be 2 minutes

[warped warren]

also its a rank from lvling

xd

[sharp meteor]

leveling perk so idk what they do with it

[warped warren]

?

why would they remove it

[sharp meteor]

or maybe it just stays

[thick reef]

yayy!

[full kiln]

gz man

[thick reef]

ty bro

[full kiln]

you would never make it playing arms

keep on going 👍

[thick reef]

prob not haha

ty bro

[warped warren]

fury rerollers 😴

[thick reef]

true

but i am true arms at heart!

[warped warren]

no ur not

get out

If there are millions of arms warriors on the ladder I am one of them. If the ladder has ten arms warriors I am one of them. If there is only one arms warrior then that is me. If there are no arms warriors, that means I am no more on the Earth. If the world is against arms warrior, I am against the world.

[thick reef]

true

If there are millions of arms warriors on the ladder I am one of them. If the ladder has ten arms warriors I am one of them. If there is only one arms warrior then that is me. If there are no arms warriors, that means I am no more on the Earth. If the world is against arms warrior, I am against the world.

[warped warren]

faker

[sharp meteor]

Very nice.

[thick reef]

ty

[thick reef]

true

[sharp meteor]

Season ends in a few weeks and EU has 1500 people above 2400

Watch it be triple digits in s4

[thick reef]

haha yea

[warped warren]

shit season

not worth playing

😴

collecting 1800 mogs and afking

[thick reef]

fair

[indigo barn]

Next season enchant is BIG YELLOW GLOW

[sharp meteor]

"big"

[indigo barn]

It was on PTR initially

[sharp meteor]

https://i.imgur.com/Xja0hOU.gif

[spice hornet]

would u q this comp

[indigo barn]

Soon TM

It was a B I G GLOW on ptr

Was changed recently

And that one is clearly unfinished

Tbh will probs be a yellow sinful flame

[elder wigeon]

replace the arms with fury and you've got a decent comp

[solar grail]

would fury or arms pair up with a demo/hpal best?

[lavish ember]

Fury is always the best choice. Just think about it. 1 2h weapon or 2 2h weapons?

[vernal plank]

depends if you're asking from an honor/conquest requirement or not 😛

[spice hornet]

2 2h

[full kiln]

fury is a lways best choice bro

noobs play arms

[gusty palm]

Fury will be a shit spec again, just wait lol

[lucid walrus]

been waiting

[gusty palm]

I’d say next expansion but who knows

[lucid walrus]

that'll be the case prolly

can't see specs like fury or outlaw being here to stay

[fickle forge]

So subtle I didn't notice it at first

[warped warren]

chads**

[sharp meteor]

I'm going to need that bunny with raging blow and rampage.

[raw summit]

https://tenor.com/view/hedgehog-hedgehog-chew-chew-happy-hedgehog-gif-25050858

[lucid walrus]

if only

[full kiln]

i cant que for 3s on finder wtf is this

[raw summit]

Click the Box man

Found bruin in mage server told him to come back

[full quiver]

Lol

[lucid walrus]

tf's he doin over there

[lavish ember]

Guess he got tired of the hunter discord.

[spice hornet]

Does he whine over there like he did here

[obsidian loom]

Player versus Player
Rogue
Outlaw
Fixed an issue that prevented True Bearing from granting an additional 0.5 second cooldown reduction to Feint and Evasion when modified by Float like a Butterfly (PvP Talent) when spending combo points.

lmao

rogue bug? absolute priority

[lucid walrus]

jesus

think mich was talkin ab that

[raw summit]

Idk he was in tmog channel and said mage mog was shit

[full kiln]

phil mf

im climbing <<<

[nimble jasper]

no i was talking about kyrian bug

[lucid walrus]

ah gotcha

idk abt how many bugs rogue has

[nimble jasper]

too many

[silver karma]

which soulbind do i go as kyrian?

pelagos or mikanikos^^

[raw summit]

mika imo

[fickle forge]

We'll nerf rogue so that we can rebuff rogue with a hotfix

[obsidian loom]

[spice hornet]

good way to hate the warrior class

play an undergeared afflic lock in 3s fighting 2.1k 2s warriors who are at 1700 in 3s

[nimble jasper]

fury this season

is basically dh

in terms of idiotproofing

actually psure fury has always been a baboon spec

anytime its good

[lucid walrus]

innately simple rotation makes it pretty hard to fuck up

rock em sock em glass cannon

[fickle forge]

Rather, rotation is all you have

[nimble jasper]

yeah

fury is just a dps bot

[fickle forge]

And losing momentum spells death, so never stop

[sharp meteor]

Yep.

Similar thing with BM Hunters.

People just get their freebie 2100 2s then float around 1600-1900 3s statchecking people.

[near delta]

I've been playing my demo alt some and you just get fucked by terrible furys sometimes lol

[full quiver]

Lol

Well fuck them anyways

Little warlock bitches

[proven maple]

I mean 2.1k as fury was fun to get though

Good or not. Was a change from arms the last 6 seasons. Definitely played less tactical

[near delta]

You ain't wrong lmao

[full quiver]

Idk my necro arms gameplay didn't feel very tactical

Tried to copy muds aggro play style

[spice hornet]

the amount of demo rerolls is just insane

literally across all mmrs

like holy fk

[fickle forge]

Huh

Kinda sounds like fury warrior

🤔

[raw summit]

well everyone was destro

and now has a lock

[fickle forge]

Everyone had an arms warr too

[nimble jasper]

yeah idk

2s is like

half fury at least

[warped warren]

😴

[elder wigeon]

even with 20% d-stance arms would barely edge out over fury

4 set for arms is ass in pvp

if it was 50% increased chance to proc tact ALL the time, it'd be sick as fuck, but since it's csmash only it doesn't have much uptime

[sharp meteor]

yep needing to dump into smashes especially shit like slam just ain't it

then stacks fall off in cc aaaaa

[elder wigeon]

i wish they'd bring slam back to it's former glory

slam used to hit like a fucking freight train

I believe if slam had mop tuning in this expac it would be critting for 25K?

[full quiver]

Yeh that sounds valances

Balanced

[fluid surge]

If you play with a restosham, would 2s or 3s be best? Guess 3s with a ret/dk/ench or a lock works best? 🤔

[elder wigeon]

3's, WPS and WLS is good

as well as ret warrior obviously

[warped warren]

imagine not pressing slam

lol

[sharp meteor]

i mean

[spice hornet]

Slam build OP

Issa secret build

I haven’t played my warrior in awhile

Just memeing on alts getting mogs

Fury being better than arms gives me depression

[lean burrow]

pressing slam on fury

[spice hornet]

Bringing out the 2h/shield as fury

[sharp meteor]

healer helps my rat fury alt to 2100, 100% wr vs hunter

help his rat velf hunter to 2100, 100% wr vs fury

i swear not a single hunter wants to just cheetah and freedom around a pillar for 10 seconds

[raw summit]

understandable

[sharp meteor]

weirdest unpruning ever

[obsidian loom]

how in the living hell do i survive rogues

any spec

i get blown up through walls and bladestorming out of smoke or resonator

[spice hornet]

Bow down to the superior melee

[sharp meteor]

u don't

hope they're bad

[void pulsar]

Is my weapon or 4p more important as fury?

[sharp meteor]

4pc

conq not capped just get stuff

[void pulsar]

I know but I have bad weapons too reason I was asking

I'm really close to weapon but feel I should just get my 4p

Bought 4p

Weapons can wait

[eager oracle]

Are they increasing pvp ilvl for s4?

[near delta]

Yup the unranked and combatant 1 conq wep is really not that much better than the max honor wep while 4p is like playing in a different xpac

[void pulsar]

I need more gear im hard capped at 1550 can't get any higher atleast for me right now

[compact heron]

Do we have to wait for cooldown in the set crafting…like will it be one peice a week resetting at the start of season

[sharp meteor]

Hm spear feels kind of nice as Fury

[sharp meteor]

Gear is quite helpful

[indigo barn]

Spear feels like it can force so much

And makes melee mad

[fickle forge]

Feels nice till 4/5 of the meta classes break it

[indigo barn]

don't remind me

[steep inlet]

spear fucking sucks

[spice hornet]

Trying to spear anyone in rmp, hpals, locks, dks

[elder wigeon]

kyrian fury aint bad

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/909372203492065294/994477297878966312/unknown.png it's what I'm playing rn

[spice hornet]

The one warrior team

[spice hornet]

What was the double Druid comp?

[elder wigeon]

FPD

we should've won that game the warrior lock game was hella troll but yea

only saw two warriors tonight

one playing ret war and the other war lock

everything else was as you can see, RMP or lock/dk comps

and occasional jungle

[steep inlet]

turbo kyrian fury ?

[elder wigeon]

No WPS

[steep inlet]

kk

[raw summit]

mages.

[warped warren]

hahahahahaha

[full kiln]

kyrian or necrolord

?

[stuck karma]

lol

[summer root]

Hmm... Priest still seems good after all those nerfs

[sage raptor]

Spear has always been bad. Idk why people talked so much game about last season.

[sharp meteor]

2k mage with 4 mages

idk why that's so funny

[elfin surge]

@summer root

[sharp meteor]

spear dece even if unfortunately lot of stuff can bug out of it

[summer root]

@elfin surge

[full kiln]

@sharp meteor if icatch

mage

in kyrian spear

he cant escape

?

[raw summit]

he can

[full kiln]

how

[raw summit]

blink

if u time it right

[full kiln]

he leaves spear with blink?

[raw summit]

ye

[full kiln]

wtf

[sharp meteor]

shimmer can rip it off

well, kind of, the spear pull has a short icd, so what you ddo is trigger pull then shimmer

usually sits if they play blink

bolt > blink > piercing > spear

[elder wigeon]

Sp got buffed

[raw summit]

he means hpri

99% sure

[elder wigeon]

I’m not playing with hpriest

[sharp meteor]

hm hpriest still really good but seeing every other healer now which is kind of nice

[raw summit]

then idk

🤷

[elder wigeon]

Hpriest is still S

[sharp meteor]

also shadow good now that people learned to stop playin like a bitch

also destro nerf etc

wonder if any tweaks for next season

[summer root]

I wasnt talking about you, i meant every single comp has a priest

Likely holy

[sharp meteor]

vene partner

rogue hits their stopattack bind

i hate rm i hate rm i hate rm

[near delta]

Lmao what do you mean?

[sharp meteor]

have u queued into that goblin priest who jumps in and uses megalo first global every game and does like 10k dps

[near delta]

I have not lol

[simple rock]

sp warr teams that do this are just unhealable

you need to kite really well

insta trade

[elfin surge]

hi friends

[full quiver]

r we good

[elfin surge]

ye we good

[raw summit]

😵‍💫

[full quiver]

is flarkness even good at anything but wow

genuinely curious

he looks and talks like a bitch

what does he do well?

[near delta]

[elfin surge]

flarkness down bad and qs with tanks

[raw summit]

Did he get his guides pulled btw

[near delta]

Eww

[raw summit]

Nice dog @elfin surge

[warped warren]

haha

[elfin surge]

doggo

[near delta]

Huh?

[raw summit]

Flark was exposed on Twitter for rage whispering people and trashtalking

And wowhead wanted to delete his pvp guides or some shit

[near delta]

Oh yah he's been working on improving himself or something

[raw summit]

[near delta]

Don't think that happened

[raw summit]

Not working so far

[full quiver]

flark is literally smaller than my gf

like 5'3 130lb manlet

got that napoleon syndrome

[sharp meteor]

how cooked is this guy

[sharp meteor]

oh yeah whispers for years idk why it's even over shit like 1600 cr alt games

[hasty crane]

PVP set acquired in FF when are they going to make as cool of a set in WoW?

[raw summit]

the last 2 elite sets for legion are cooler

[sharp meteor]

Eh, I'd pref legion elite sets over this any day

[raw summit]

skinny mf

[sharp meteor]

Buddy who plays FF says pvp is all dead/wintraded

[lean burrow]

daaaaamn

if only blizzard could do the same

[warped warren]

so kinda like wow

[primal cloud]

[sharp meteor]

He equated it to like a twink bracket in terms of participation.

Not sure, though, never played, he said the people are even more insufferable than rbg players.

[primal cloud]

Damn, that's bad then

[warped warren]

oof

yea thats bad

[lavish ember]

Flarks guides no good?

[sharp meteor]

they probs fine

[sharp meteor]

sometimes that's how it be

[obsidian loom]

68k sepsis, 20k dot, 16k melee

?

[warped warren]

dispel bro

[obsidian loom]

🙂

[nimble jasper]

tell us you’re a bfa/sl baby

without directly saying it

[sharp meteor]

sinful elite is pretty clean but otherwise the sets have been kind of underwhelming

[undone pumice]

my biggestflex is hivemind

[elfin surge]

dude rogues need that

[warm urchin]

Class would be unplayable without it

[full quiver]

can we make condemn

just do 50k damage over 2s

and usuable once a min

[lean burrow]

aftershock that applies sepsis in aoe

and scales with mastery

[nimble jasper]

that actually wouldnt do shit

without all the modifiers rogue has for it

[obsidian loom]

rogues get an answer for everyones kit

and zero iq buttons

coo

[spice hornet]

Ancient aftershock bis covenant

They are too damn slow with releasing the dragonflight talent trees

[nimble jasper]

technically not hunter’s

[obsidian loom]

vanish reset lole

[nimble jasper]

flare the vanish

and/or hunters mark

[sharp meteor]

stun bow man

bow man die

[nimble jasper]

*spear man

neither hunter nor feral loses tbh

@sharp meteor i saw a priest in lfg yesterday

“no warriors not interested in boring zugzug”

[sharp meteor]

hmmm

[full quiver]

Survival feels good into every rogue spec

I love getting revenge on sin rogues for all my games malding on warrior

[sage raptor]

You don't play hunter

[full quiver]

lol

i've played a couple hundred games on it

[sage raptor]

Nope

[vagrant ether]

Sup meatheads, DK here. Help me understand how yall hit me so dang hard even after your CDs end? I will think I kited your 1.5min CDs and Im safe but then the warr (usually fury) goes EXECUTE EXECUTE EXECUTE and splatter me. My strat has just been to play as toxic and possible and Chains kite them constantly. What procc or whatever is letting yall burst seemingly at random?

[raw summit]

So how we work is that we Spam raging Blow and bloodthirst to get rage to spend it on Rampage

[sharp meteor]

reck proc or sd proc

[raw summit]

Each hit of that puts 20% MS on you

[sharp meteor]

neither of which should kill you in most cases

[raw summit]

And then if we rb we have a change to get a proc which makes rb better and charges us

And does more dam

[sharp meteor]

5% 4 times for 20% per rampage

[sage raptor]

If you don't kill warr in opener you're going to have a bad time. Take advantage of their lack defensive against magic.

What spec do you play?

[vagrant ether]

Yea Ive played warr in the past and know the basics, but there is something special that has made Fury's do absolutely bonkers burst in 1-2 GCDs almost always after the Fury's CDs expired. Its been very consistent: Avatar/Recklessness expire> I got back into melee>I hear 3xEXECUTE sound in a row and I die

UH in 2s

*Unholy in 2s

[sage raptor]

CC healer and send every global you have on the fury.

What do you play with?

[lucid walrus]

usually it won't be back to back executes on fury especially

would imagine he got a lucky series of SD procs even if it was execute

[sharp meteor]

u send go hard during limb then run until dt back up

[sage raptor]

Ideally their healer is separated when CCd so you drop raise abom on top of fury so the abom doesn't switch targets.

[sharp meteor]

chains and afk run around pillars

[vagrant ether]

Ive been playing with all kinds of partner specs, Im a experienced Tank Main finally getting serious about pvp 1800 since starting yesterday......... So do yall mean that Fury just keeps ramping dmg endlessly and I either need to keep them for meleeing for like 30+seconds OR kill them ASAP before their slow stacks build up?

[sharp meteor]

u can't trade outside of cds generally

[lucid walrus]

fury should be possible to deadzone although it's hard with our tier set. what's probably killing you is their mortal strike stacking crazy high. don't think unholy can box with fury rn

[near delta]

As dk you kinda want to play like a survival hunter

Just keep chains on the warrior as much as you can and continuously kite him

Super hard to do in practice obviously

[sage raptor]

With practice, you get it though. Fury warrs are mince meat on my dk now.

[vagrant ether]

Nah I LOVE Chains kiting, way back in the day I used to kill time by kiting World Bosses to quest hubs/capitols as a Hunter. I think I get it now, I didn't realize Fury just straight up beats UH in a fistfight when neither have CDs. I gotta play as a Warlock in Plate 24/7

Thanks Bros for the tips /brofist

[raw summit]

fury players will mald very hard if u deadzone them

between charge and melee

[sage raptor]

If you're in a trolling mood, take deaths echo.

"Shit dk using grips"

The only angry whisper I got this season.

[vagrant ether]

Wait Charge still has a minimum range? I thought that was removed back when they removed Hunter's minimum range

10yards?

[elder wigeon]

yes charge still has a deadzone of 8 yards

[vagrant ether]

mmmm tasty, neat, TY

[elder wigeon]

honestly unless I'm necrolord with reckless abandon UNH dk feels genuinely unkillable

beyond disgusting kiting and self heals

30k+ death strikes through 40% ms, very balanced

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, very hard to kill unless necro with ra.

[sage raptor]

I think it's funny how a dk has better defensives against physical than fury.

[sharp meteor]

Realistically they just press chains and walk away.

Unholy legit every game now I rarely see Warrior LMAO

[elder wigeon]

DK's are really annoying as kyrian

[sharp meteor]

Yeah spear does zilch at least you can bang their demo

[sage raptor]

It's okay. 99% of them are bad.

[lucid walrus]

just like fury : )

[vagrant ether]

Do you mean so that when the Fury swaps to my partner since they can't reach me I grip, they charge, I grip+Chains, then Fury stacks punching their desk?

[elder wigeon]

warrior is just common in low ratings

above 2400 warriors are rare tbh

[sharp meteor]

Fury still a noobsmasher

[elder wigeon]

warrior in general is a noob crusher

it does increasingly worse the higher you go

not a favorable meta

[sharp meteor]

I keep hearing that dh/dk is free but this shit feels awful taking 20k dps the entire game.

[sage raptor]

Yeah. They think they're smart when they leap to bait a death grip then charge, only to be met with another death grip.

[vagrant ether]

Yes, when I fight mirror match UH DKs around 80% of the time it is VERY OBVIOUS the other DK is a clueless FOTM reroller

[sage raptor]

That comp is so unfun to play.

[sage raptor]

They ALWAYS amz the most random shit. AMZ my burst? Nah, it's best if we put it when the pet isn't DT.

I'm almost 2400 (thank god let it be over) and I've yet to see a good dk that pulls me out of my AMZ AND AMZ my burst.

[full kiln]

what are other interesting classes @sharp meteor

[sharp meteor]

I feel like every DK does that

[vagrant ether]

My mind was completely blown when watching Absterge play DK to help me learn and he says "lol yea dude I can just Death's Advance and walk right out the Spear"

[sharp meteor]

That's a neato interaction yep

[nimble jasper]

good dks are super tilt to play into

cuz they just

chains and run

whenever you have any dmg

[sage raptor]

I guess I got the privilege of having nothing but poopoo dks.

[elder wigeon]

you can AMS immune spear

[sage raptor]

AMS against a warrior will never not be funny.

[nimble jasper]

yeah but why not just play necro

and not be slowable by chains

[elder wigeon]

because I'm playing WPS

need spear

[nimble jasper]

are there still spriest players

[elder wigeon]

yes

[nimble jasper]

last i checked they were all too busy crying

that their spec is only support

[sharp meteor]

mm it's weird now because people still think i'm necro sometimes

so 50/50 as to whether or not they play the anti spear stuff

[nimble jasper]

psure if its arms

[sharp meteor]

ofc on repeat games it's annoying

[nimble jasper]

you generally assume kyrian

had a friend flaming laros on a disc

about missing

about half his spears

[vagrant ether]

I thought it was basic to Chains and run too, but a depressing amount of my LFG PUG partners have praised me for it like Im Pro, while Ill be like "I have no idea what Im doing"

[nimble jasper]

idk

alot of dks got their rating during bfa 2s

when dk was super dumb

and you could kind of just w key people

[fickle forge]

Gushing Wounds -> Chains of Skill -> 😎 👍

[vagrant ether]

Shadow has just felt like a weaker Affliction to me. Shadow is pretty tanky, but doesn't really feel like theyre threatening

[sage raptor]

Keeping chains up = skill to the uninformed player. I ain't declining any credit tho >.>

[nimble jasper]

shadow definitely has a more support control role to it

rather than outright doing dmg

its also why i suspect comps like demo dk are more popular on ladder than rmp

just outright win with slamming pve dam

rather than cc’ing too much

[sage raptor]

It's also nice to be the only hard counter to rmp.

[spice hornet]

weird

doing an rated bg at 1700

as soon as gates open, 90% of our team DCs and lags

the enemy team runs around and 3 caps no DCs

[near delta]

He does it so often I wonder if it's a technique to fake em out lol

[spice hornet]

got DC'd repeatedly until the game was over

[full kiln]

are shadow priests good?

[simple rock]

yeah

but generally only at higher ratings

it seems to have the most skill variance out of any spec

from what I've seen

[elder wigeon]

any of you remember what rank 2400cr was at the end of sinful?

[full quiver]

Like 5500

Iir

[frank knoll]

Pornhub

Ooops thought I had tabbed to Chrome on my other screen my bad

[nimble jasper]

I mean mage does too

only difference is an 1800 mage can still kill you

[full kiln]

[simple rock]

r1 SPs do some insane shit

[nimble jasper]

i mean r1 mages top dmg meters

meanwhile random duelist mages do 1/4 their rogue's dmg

[simple rock]

fire mage? I don't notice a huge difference in their burst between like 2200-2600

mostly sustained dmg

[nimble jasper]

having healer esque utility tends to lead to that though

I would have said similar for rets but ret war exists

where you can just w key people

[full kiln]

mich mf

[nimble jasper]

crazy how many rets

dont know how to use sanc properly

[nimble jasper]

its mostly r1 mages actually doing sustained damage

[full kiln]

how u beat lock/ele or lock/sp

damage too high

[nimble jasper]

idk run over the ele

[full kiln]

you hide during their cds

?

[spice hornet]

stop qing and enjoy life

[nimble jasper]

also this

idk i dont play meleecleaves

they rot my brain

[full kiln]

what do you play

?

[nimble jasper]

I mean I liked war sp

but my sp stopped playing

so...

[full kiln]

i played with hunter earlier

kinda sick

[nimble jasper]

yeah finding a hunter

that wont just q jungle

or thug

[full kiln]

hows fury/ele

or fury/lock

i kinda wanna try

it

[nimble jasper]

fine

both would rather playing with a non warrior

[full kiln]

i dont like fury/ret its boring

[sharp meteor]

dece although imo play spear

[nimble jasper]

wheres that ss

of meleecleave comms

1 grunt go healer

2 grunts peel me

[full kiln]

fury ele better or fury lock?

i wanna try arms out but idk

:/

arms feels better cuz better cds idk

easier to live

[raw summit]

no ones stopping u

i played arm today

[spice hornet]

When did rbgs become all about knocking people away

Priest knock hunter knock ele knock

Even on places like BS in AB

[raw summit]

its the one funny part of the mode

rest is dogshit

[spice hornet]

Worst state it’s ever been in

Even worse than kickbot flyhsck ddos

[strange depot]

Warriors have one of the best knocks in pvp tho

[spice hornet]

Which one

[simple rock]

the prot one

it's pretty funny

[spice hornet]

Do people even bring prot warriors to rbgs

[sharp meteor]

No, they don't.

[simple rock]

be a chad like me and q with the highest rated prot NA

[spice hornet]

Double spear?

[sharp meteor]

Felt cooked being highest prot for a day because I did a key right after queues then logged out and arenamate showed me as prot

actually I didn't even do a key just tested a weakaura or something

[raw summit]

do it again

[simple rock]

yeah, learning how to venn diagram is vital to playing man cleave at a high level

good luck trying to blink out of 2 spears

[full kiln]

@raw summit phil what are best comps for arms?

[raw summit]

turbo

[full kiln]

ench shaman

?

enha

you play kyrian?

[raw summit]

i think u can go nl or kyr there

either somewhat works

[full kiln]

so you go in

you play that with stun?

[raw summit]

i cannot give u the entire setup since u change it based on what ur guys run/what u face

[full kiln]

what does your go look like

you use that spell for 50% ms

then

smash armor

spam

overpower

?

[raw summit]

avatar/banner MS > stuff > sharpen MS

just press buttons that do dam

[sage raptor]

Some do. If you could choose which rbgs to play, it'd get more play. They can cross a CTF map in literal seconds.

But until then, gdruids are the only way to go.

[nimble jasper]

is the rbg meta like

play kul tirans

for knock racial

[buoyant shale]

how the heck do i beat assin rogue? they seem to kill me in opener as fury warrior

playing as rdruid/fury

[simple rock]

sepsis vendetta no bomb = your healers trinket + cds + your wall

sepsis vendetta bomb = your wall trinket + stun into fear or vice versa

with rdruid it's pretty easy you just dispel sepsis instantly

assuming you're dying to nf rogue and not necro

those are less 1shotty

[buoyant shale]

ok perfect, well give that a shot

[simple rock]

I am dumbing it down a lot, sometimes your healer can save you in bomb and sometimes you both still have to trinket cuz shit happens

but it's a pretty good guideline

[buoyant shale]

yeah it just seems like they open, he trinks they blind and i get fucked through everything

wall, leap

all

[simple rock]

are you kyrian or necro?

if you're kyrian don't forget you can dispel poisons with phial

[buoyant shale]

necro

that seems to be my hardest counter

[simple rock]

rogue just shits on warrior in general yeah

esp in 2s

[sharp meteor]

realistically u don't but in the case of sepsis u just cycle your stuff with healer

[indigo barn]

Implying RBG players can afford race changes due to the lack of RBG buyers

[elder wigeon]

[spice hornet]

Hate rbg players so god damn much

[nimble jasper]

likely b tier comp

at best

so depends on your opinion yeah

[sharp meteor]

ret just hit me for 91% of my health in 1.6 seconds with wings proc

well, an hour ago, but I'm still processing it

[indigo barn]

Necro ret with summer is fun to play against

[sharp meteor]

only saw that once and it didn't hit me as hard as this guy did

[indigo barn]

Wtf

Was he Necro?

[sharp meteor]

ye

[spice hornet]

Sounds like typical ref life

Ret

[spice hornet]

🤣

[sharp meteor]

I got dropped harder than JFK.

[spice hornet]

Least he knows it’s awful

[spice hornet]

[indigo barn]

Can kyrian ret still global or is it dead like sudden death procs?

[elder wigeon]

dk healing is just unreasonable

[elder wigeon]

kyrian ret?

[lean burrow]

"Death strike"

Doesn't cause death

???

[indigo barn]

Divine toll bois

[sharp meteor]

I love my 10k ignore pain that prevents me from doing damage if I press it.

[elder wigeon]

no one plays kyrian ret

[sharp meteor]

Saw exactly one, I think.

Necro is just too good.

[indigo barn]

Yeah, I'm just wondering if it can still global people, or has resilience fixed it

[elder wigeon]

there is no resilience, people play less versatility than before, but kyrian double legendary sucks in comparison to necrolord, the burst is much higher and more consistent

[indigo barn]

Spinny hammers>throwing hammers

[sand crow]

How dumb would I be for going SMF on my war for funsies

[indigo barn]

I mean, it's not dumb if it's for fun

[elder wigeon]

not that dumb but it's a small disadvantage

[vital prism]

do u guys use ignore pain as fury in pvp?

[lavish ember]

I do if I got high damage incoming and no fleshcraft up.

[vital prism]

ah

[elder wigeon]

rarely, IP is extremely expensive as fury

if it was 40 rage like arms, you could make an argument to use it off CD most of the time

[wheat jay]

and that's precisely why its not 40 rage XD

[elder wigeon]

if slaughterhouse was baseline and 30% but lasted 8 seconds, then you could ignore pain more often 100%

but with it being 60, it's a button you press if you wanna delete all your pressure

[wheat jay]

or live 😄

[elder wigeon]

tbh better to die than to let your stacks fall, fury is terrible without slaughterhouse

[wheat jay]

ye

and you lose when you die

[elder wigeon]

oh well don't die

[wheat jay]

you can still win if your stacks fall off

[elder wigeon]

I press ignore pain maybe once every 10 games

[vital prism]

Slaughter house reduces 40% healing in total right? And for arms, mortal strike reduces 50%?

[wheat jay]

25% for arms

50% is pve only

[vital prism]

ohhh

so slaughterhouse healing reduction is the highest ig?

[wheat jay]

sharpen blade for arms

pvp talent

[obtuse sphinx]

Would it be better to play arms or fury in 2s with a healer?

[fickle forge]

Why potentially hit for 70k, when you can hit for 60k 4 times in a row

[lean burrow]

do you want to have fun?

[stuck karma]

[obtuse sphinx]

@lean burrow preferably

[lean burrow]

fury

at least your healers won't ask you to switch specs if you play fury

[elfin surge]

🤓

[mortal elm]

do you usually join a guild for rbgs?

or can i find a rbg group

[grand scaffold]

what realm are you on

[mortal elm]

stormscale

[lucid walrus]

pugs should be fine

if fine = tolerable mostly

[mortal elm]

pugs are taking minimum 10 20 min to fill in

in prime times

thats the issue, i dont mind win lose ratio

[lucid walrus]

that's pretty average for this point in the season + grabbing 9 people

10-20 + the mandatory "oh shit sorry guys i forgot to do [x] while we were forming"

[full kiln]

phil

[lucid walrus]

phil

[undone pumice]

phil

[raw summit]

phil

[wheat jay]

phil

[rapid shore]

phil

[full quiver]

Phil

[warped warren]

phil

[spice hornet]

phil

[elfin surge]

phil

[full kiln]

@raw summit arms is better can also hit on evasion with overpower

[raw summit]

cuz thats gonna be the difference

[full kiln]

arms is better then fury in every way but damage

has more defensive cds

more plays to be made

[sharp meteor]

hm

[full kiln]

think about it duck

banner

retaliation

stuff

like that

[proven maple]

Doesn’t stack MS to the moon

[raw summit]

say parry

not retaliation

[full kiln]

yes

[raw summit]

[full kiln]

with parry u can counter alot of stuff

and its nice

cuz u get so many rogues

[wheat jay]

Dmg wins games

[full kiln]

and arms is better vs rogues

[sharp meteor]

be arms, do no dam, your utility often does nothing, take infinite dam, lose

be fury, take infinite dam, but do infinite dam, sometimes win

[full kiln]

arms and i play 3s

with warlock

[sharp meteor]

yolo banner in opener on cds to catch disarm/coil etc is nice tho

[full kiln]

yes its nice

but trash damage on arms really

[raw summit]

why live if cant kill

[sharp meteor]

i pressed duel on the ret and he turned and killed me instead very cool

i pressed dstance which does nothing now and knocks my low damage down 20% more

[full kiln]

ok dstance is a beta move

ok fury is better

arms players are noobs

[raw summit]

so ur a noob

[full kiln]

i never said i play arms but your point still stands

i am 1.7 gladiator

[fickle forge]

Eyo ya'll heard of arms?

It does so much damage holy fk

And the utility is great

[sharp meteor]

is arms the worst melee rn

[full kiln]

kargish sounds like indian name

[sharp meteor]

I have literally seen two in the past 100 games i think

[fickle forge]

Still frost DK fam

[full kiln]

i have feral druid also

[full quiver]

god damn it

[full kiln]

but lazy to learn

[full quiver]

why did u ruin our streak

[full kiln]

what streak

i created it

i stop it

[full quiver]

the initiator does not create the streak

[full kiln]

wym

??

[full quiver]

THERE IS NO STREAK WITH BUT ONE PHIL

[raw summit]

phil

[full kiln]

no

@raw summit you dont get to do that

hearthstone player

[raw summit]

[full kiln]

wtf

i once played hs

jade druid pro<<

[raw summit]

ive played hearthstone since 6 years

[full kiln]

no

i play even earlier

[raw summit]

pirate warrior

[full kiln]

ye

jade druid

and jade shaman

[raw summit]

boring

[full kiln]

it was

idk

[raw summit]

nerd

[full kiln]

long ago

[raw summit]

go pirates

[full kiln]

i didnt log that game for years

its boring

all blizz games

start being boring

there used to be like 3-4 mechanics in hs

now like

15

xd

[mystic barn]

@near delta getting clamped on lp now

[raw summit]

so?

[full kiln]

so nothing i decided not to play it anymore

arenas on wow are way more fun

[raw summit]

course not if ur a fucking jade monkey

[full kiln]

for me<<<

[raw summit]

play real decks

[full kiln]

i play real games

world of warcraft

[raw summit]

[full kiln]

facing glads at 1.7 and beating them

it would be so cool if such game existed

like wow arenas but separate game

something new

3v3 and stuff

something like battlerite

i like to play such

[sharp meteor]

Seems like it'd be dead.

[full kiln]

ye :/

[undone pumice]

phil

@full kiln ring of titans exists

[full kiln]

@undone pumice ye something exactly like that but not that man wtf xd

[fickle forge]

Ring of Titans

[mortal elm]

man did rating gains dropped to 15 on 1500s already?

[sharp meteor]

?

Depends on your mmr

[mortal elm]

i remember last season i started to get 10s maybe on 1700 ish? i dont know

[sharp meteor]

all comes down to how much you're winning

[mortal elm]

is fury good in 2v2 too? by the way

[sharp meteor]

into everything but rogue ya

[mortal elm]

i started to feel like 3v3 is aint for me, too much stuff happening

too many ppl D:

[sharp meteor]

ya lot going on

[mortal elm]

I have 79k hp too, after some rating every match ppl started to focus me its kinda tiring

IP is expensive and causes damage loss too

[sharp meteor]

ya i just die instead of pressing ip

[mortal elm]

lmaoo

[sharp meteor]

Finally Rogues are playable after two rough seasons.

Three S+ tier specs, very cool.

[elfin surge]

Finally

[spice hornet]

Posts like these make me want to bash someone’s face in

In Minecraft of course

[sharp meteor]

Bout to breach the social contract by cyberbullying 2k rogue players

[scarlet barn]

Man rogues are on different type of hallucinogen

Poisons def rotted their brains in past 17 years

[sly walrus]

He’s right

[glad gazelle]

Hi guys... now necro got nerfed, would u recommend going Kyrian? I play Fury in 2s with a holy priest.

[simple rock]

necro still best into most specs, but play kyrian if you enjoy it

it's not bad

[glad gazelle]

oki cool.. thanks

[elder wigeon]

in a demo dk meta I think necrolord is better for sure if you're playing a melee cleave or with a caster that wants banner

spear is pretty damn jank into DK's which are mostly what you fight above 2400 in 3's, spear is alright in 2's as well, I'd say better than necro in 2's

[sharp meteor]

Rogue steps/cloaks out, Mage glitches out, Warlock plays 1 minute gate

[elder wigeon]

there's ways to make it harder

and if a lock is standing on a gate forever, don't spear, pop everything else and let them face tank you

if they wanna gate your spear so bad they gotta pay

[spice hornet]

rogue talent tree out

time to see if ill play DF or not

[wet scarab]

yeah spear is great in 2s actually

just have to time its use right

playing arms I used it a lot on fury warriors who do the big dumb burst thing at the start and watch from a safe distance as they waste bladestorm trying to leave it

like they've never played warrior before or lost IQ points from an entire season as fury

[nimble jasper]

2 charges vanish

echoing reprimand with lego staying

wew lad

[spice hornet]

whew

I do see that they only get 1 step of charge?

1 charge of step*

Shadowstep: Grants 1 charge of Shadowstep. Step through the shadows to appear behind your target, increasing your movement speed by 70% for 2 sec.

[wheat jay]

survi ded in pvp

was fun while it lasted

[full quiver]

phial as warrior

feels so fucking good too

[simple rock]

anyone else feel like these talent trees just look very ugly

aesthetically

I know it says mock up but sheeesh

[full quiver]

who cares about the aesthetics lol

[simple rock]

good UI means a lot in a game

ppl don't appreciate

[full quiver]

it's like 6 months out lol

you'll have like 3 presets saved and then enver look again probably

[simple rock]

don't even get me started on the proposed base UI changes in-game

my eyes

[full quiver]

haha

i'm sure it'd look nicer

[sharp meteor]

u say that like default isn't an eyesore

[simple rock]

guess someone at blizz loves xperl

[normal patrol]

hey pvpers free for a sec ?

[sharp meteor]

Seems like an improvement.

[sharp meteor]

What is up

[normal patrol]

for my legendaries do i run haste/vers on both or vers/mastery on one of them

[sharp meteor]

in the case of Fury I could see Mastery overtaking Haste a bit at some point, especially in certain comps, but really just going haste/vers on everything is fine/good.

For Arms don't play Mastery if you can help it, imo.