pvp

[undone pumice]

like arcanite reaper heirloom works

[gusty zinc]

hey guys, whenever i try to improve at wow pvp I always run into people using terms like the "go" or "script" I play arms, what is our "go" and what does it look like in 2v2s?

i typically find myself winning by not dying and just slowly but surely wittling down their CDs

for context i play with a resto druid

[lucid walrus]

put in simplest terms, goes for arms and warrior in general are just your most likely kill windows

for instance, you have full cds ready + bolt. your druid gets a bash/clone on healer, you stun dps and mulch your target

[gusty zinc]

got it

so basically what we have been trying to emulate in our games

how much does healer ilvl matter in arenas?

i find my duo just runs oom

and he IS undergeared

[sharp meteor]

it's just setting up dmg

example being bolting dps as healer chastises enemy healer then warbreakering them

or rampage into raging blow dump

[scarlet barn]

because he needs to catch up with his quota he missed in past weeks

[solar grail]

does anyone know if upgrading a weapon to 1800 ilvl matches it to the 1800 mog set? the coloring, mean

[lucid walrus]

2100 will

case in point w/ sword

[sharp meteor]

It's 2100 for the elite weaponry, as he says

and it has to be upgraded to 2100/duelist quality

[solar grail]

ahhh thank you

[molten jolt]

bros, is there a logic to arena party1/2/3 target1/2/3

is the healer always in a specific spot?

[sharp meteor]

I just give healer lead and party1 is always on them, I think.

[near delta]

Yeah thats the smart way

[molten jolt]

is it random for the other 2 spots then?

[near delta]

I have my dumb meta macro garbage

You can adjust your party for all I think but it gets annoying

[molten jolt]

what about target1/2/3, any consistent logic there?

[radiant rapids]

Yeah unless you play with the same 2 people every single queue session you can just do party 1/2/3

[near delta]

It's just the order in Gladius

Some people use add-ons to add the number to the nameplates I believe

[full quiver]

i just have heal and dps macros

then change name in each one

[lucid walrus]

mouseovers p easy too

[molten jolt]

do you guys use any focus macros?

[wary heart]

whats a macro

like protein?

i focus on protein yeah

[sharp meteor]

bolt, disarm, duel, fear

all with a bladestorm cancelaura

oh and pummel ofc

[wary heart]

i use cancelaura on charge to be lazy

[molten jolt]

who are you putting on focus

[sharp meteor]

the person i know ill need to use an ability on in the near future

hitting hunter playing jungle i set feral as focus to kick clones

swap around mid gaame if they meld get restealth etc

alternative is arena 123 for everything but that takes a lot of practice

[signal wasp]

at what rating should i start looking for real partners instead of just yolo groups in 2v2?

[full quiver]

0

[signal wasp]

im just trying to learn how to pvp

[sharp meteor]

then take what u can get

even if it's not a healer

until high enough to find healers

can't really lose points for the first 1400ish or so

[lavish ember]

You can see which comps work well and at least get those classes to join you.

[signal wasp]

well I've made it to 1300 just yoloing so far

[warped warren]

wicked

[elder wigeon]

season 3 end august 2nd

4 weeks left

[wheat jay]

As predicted

[elder wigeon]

worst season I've played for sure

[wheat jay]

Start was nice

Then it turned to shit

When everyone found out what the most broken specs are

[elder wigeon]

there was a lot of variety for a while but now it's just hyper meta comps only

if you don't play your spec's meta comp you get squashed like a bug

[wheat jay]

Yep

Precisely that

Even when Frost demo was bis

There were still plenty of comps around

Now unholy or fury are in 45% of games

Demo or ele in other 45%

10% other comps

Maybe other comps are actually like 1%

[signal wasp]

any ideas on how to beat this...died in 3 secs with engraged regen up

[elder wigeon]

oof 37K bite

[spice hornet]

Need healer externals

Enraged regen suk balls

Is that a convoke

Prob just trinket fear

Or kick

[elder wigeon]

yeah, enraged regen is 30% wall, idk why people think it's a sick cd

[near delta]

The healing can be dope

[wheat jay]

Was that convoke?

[elder wigeon]

only 10% more dam reduction than last season d stance lmfao

nah there's no way

[near delta]

But if you're stunned off trinket it does nothing

[wheat jay]

Trinket first, 2nd trinket from heal

[elder wigeon]

looks like kyrian feral dmg

[lucid walrus]

convoke wouldn’t leave a gap like that

[wheat jay]

Hmmm

[spice hornet]

That’s some big dam then

[wheat jay]

Looks like convoke to me

[near delta]

Imagine if we had it on 15 second cd

[elder wigeon]

well that could be convoke but that's a very weird breakdown for convoke

[spice hornet]

Looks at feint, looks at enraged regen

[elder wigeon]

4 shreds in a row? lmao

[wheat jay]

Isn't shred a generator?

[elder wigeon]

yes

[wheat jay]

So convoke

Cuz you can't do so many hits without it

[elder wigeon]

rake is also a generator same with brutal slash

[wheat jay]

Convoke it is then

[elder wigeon]

shred is extremely energy inefficient

[wheat jay]

You need to rotate trinkets

To survive it

That's all

[signal wasp]

great...so i already knew feral was insane damage...but how do i survive as fury...sounds like i need to be playing 2s with a healer

[elder wigeon]

yeah that's your first mistake

[lucid walrus]

correct

[wheat jay]

Yep

[full quiver]

i trinketed a convoke to kick on hunter

didn't realize i didn't have kick so i FD

[wheat jay]

Sac, fd, disengage

Done

You lived

[full quiver]

then instead of waiting for the convoke to finish while i'm F"D (and it's not targeting me)

i stood up with one sec

and got hit for 3 bites and got 80-0'd

lmao

[signal wasp]

so...i dont have friends or a healer....what class & spec can i play 2s just yoloing?

[full quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/dented-head-head-smile-gif-12205170

[wheat jay]

Noob lol

[sharp meteor]

Healers then hybrids otherwise just wait

[wheat jay]

Just disengage

[spice hornet]

Definitely not a warrior

[lean burrow]

feinted death -> died for real

[full quiver]

didn't even need to do that

[lean burrow]

[full quiver]

if you stay feign deathed

it doesn't target u

lmao

[wheat jay]

Ok but disengage

[full quiver]

i tried

i got up and died in less than a second lol

just goofed

[lean burrow]

don't you get a shield after feint death?

[wheat jay]

Wack

[full quiver]

we had gotten every defensive and both trinkets from enemy on opener

lmao

[wheat jay]

Yes, for 1.5s

After casting it

[full quiver]

yeah it absorbed like 1900

i stayed FD too long

for shield

[lean burrow]

wasted shield by lying on the ground

[full quiver]

but not long enough for the convoke

lmfao

[lean burrow]

"i'll sleep for 5 more min"

ded

[full quiver]

so fried

[wheat jay]

Precisely

If he disengaged insta

He'd be out of range

And all would go to pet

Or nowhere

But someone tried to lay on the ground like a retard

[spice hornet]

Can’t use the desert flute anymore to summon pets to eat convoke hits

Undocumented hotfix

[sharp meteor]

AAAIIIIEEEEE

[full quiver]

best play is trinket FD and just stay there until it's over if kick not up

because they can't retarget you lol

you can leap while convoking without canceling the channel

[wheat jay]

Doesnt it target closest enemy

Since it can go on your pet

If its not the target

And how its essentially shit in aoe

And you can just stack to reduce chance of being oneshot

[full quiver]

doesn't target you in FD

[wheat jay]

I'm fairly sure it does

[full quiver]

it doesn't

unless you stand up lol

[wheat jay]

I still think it does lol

[full quiver]

they will still have the big mastery 5pt bite afterwards

though

[lean burrow]

guys, what do I do vs demo/mw or demo/disc as fury/heals?

killing felguard is impossible with health funnel

[next cape]

I see lots of fury here. With the new patch should I be learning fury or get into arms for pvp arena

[lean burrow]

people say whatever you like more

fury is easier

[elder wigeon]

until we see patch notes nothing is guaranteed, but unless they nerf fury further or buff d-stance for arms, things will remain the same

for right now, fury is absolutely ahead of arms

[next cape]

Oh fair

[elder wigeon]

preferably fury remains the same and arms is buffed but knowing blizzard they'd see that both specs are B tier at best

[next cape]

Thanks homies!

[near delta]

It sounds like they're just not gonna make any big changes at all going into season 4 which is something

[sharp meteor]

They might do literally nothing except push through some gear upgrades to work on.

[near delta]

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-wheel-run-gif-10746499

[fluid surge]

What healer is recommended for 2s?

[fickle forge]

Can we nuke all cheat death mechanics

[full quiver]

Lol

[elder wigeon]

no the most skilled classes need them

worrying about being able to die would take away from their masterful use of DR's

[fickle forge]

I'm actually so done slaying RMP 7 times and they're still alive

[elder wigeon]

playing classes that hard deserve to be that good

[full quiver]

Lol

I like when they can use evasion cloak trinket first go

Then not die and vanish second go

But if I trinket I can die 100-0 in duel with wall

[fickle forge]

I'm not talking their active buttons dude

I'm talking about you bringing them to 0 hp, and then they pop back up alive

[elder wigeon]

it escapes me how sub has managed to not be nerfed after several patches where warrior hasn't escaped especially arms

arms aside from destro is probably the most nerfed spec in shadowlands from its peak

whether or not it was needed is not what I'm saying, but sub has escaped nerfs every single time

[wheat jay]

Zero nerfs to Arms dmg tho

Every other spec just got better 4set

[sharp meteor]

low and mid tier sub dragging winrates down or something

[elder wigeon]

at a certain point the dmg doesn't matter

arms doesn't do more dmg than most specs

[wheat jay]

It used to

[elder wigeon]

well it doesn't

[wheat jay]

It can still do a lot

[fickle forge]

Also because arms dominance was based off of their ability to stop goes rather than make them

[wheat jay]

More than most specs

[fickle forge]

Pretty good to have in a one tap meta

[elder wigeon]

I wouldn't say most specs are <B tier

[sharp meteor]

ehhh

[wheat jay]

It prevented onetaps and was onetapping too

[elder wigeon]

only specs worse than arms imo is aff and arcane

[sharp meteor]

yeah aff in shambles

and arcane would probably be less shit if fire got gutted

so good mages had to figure out how to play it

[wheat jay]

Remove cauterize

And suddenly 90% of mages flop

Dstance got nerfed, 90% of arms warrs also started dying left and right

Now craven got nerfed

90% of hunters will die instantly

[fickle forge]

The amount of frost mages that flopped when they suddenly didn't have caut

[wheat jay]

Yep

[elder wigeon]

survival is hard to kill in 2's with the conduit talent and legendary for the aspects

mm hunter now all using the rapid fire lego just 1 deag me

[wheat jay]

https://c.tenor.com/lOqT02de4UEAAAAM/frankly-thats-a-skill-issue-hazzikostas.gif

[elder wigeon]

nah not skill

30% wall is not enough for 200k dmg in 4 seconds

[wheat jay]

How the tables have turned

[elder wigeon]

warrior has the shittiest defensives in the game vs wizards

and mm hunter

[sharp meteor]

c tier class buffs when

feels like a budget rogue

[wheat jay]

Id say 10% wall and 30% wall and 20-30k absorb is quite strong

[elder wigeon]

yea fleshcraft is instant and pressable while stunned and you 100% have enrage up while stunned always

[wheat jay]

Ignore pain

10s cd absorb

[elder wigeon]

yup yup pressable while stunned

[wheat jay]

Pre use it

[sharp meteor]

throwing the game

[elder wigeon]

lol

[near delta]

We were killing this mage and accidentally killed the priest on the go who procced his res leggo and healed into the seed without being interrupted lmao

Like fuck man that's ridiculous

[elder wigeon]

yes pre use ignore pain in the opener vs thug

[wheat jay]

Most of the classes have to pre use shit

[elder wigeon]

for that massive 12k absorb

[wheat jay]

Yes

[sharp meteor]

i'd say it's better than nothing but 12k absorb to dump all your rage

then you can't rampage

no pressure

etc

[elder wigeon]

you cannot ignore pain in the opener have you even played warrior?

[wheat jay]

That's 12k more than if you didnt use it

[sharp meteor]

yeah in opener you don't even have it's like a later game thing

[wheat jay]

Why can't you?

[elder wigeon]

no rage?

cced?

[near delta]

Is there a historical reason why IP costs a shit ton of rage for fury?

[sharp meteor]

no rage in opener

vs those comps

[sharp meteor]

nerfed cos fury was op in early bfa i think?

along with their healing etc

[near delta]

Ah yeah that sounds right

[sharp meteor]

something like prot/fury ran over people harder than necro fury does now i think

[near delta]

One of those OP at the time things so then it never gets fixed later

[sharp meteor]

i also like how preing is just "hope the enemy team is bad and telegraphs their shit"

queue into beardman who plays rmp 12 hours a day

tired

[near delta]

Is that Ozz? Lmao

[full quiver]

Ip on fury would be ridic

With conduit that adds to it with dam

[near delta]

Yeah true

[full quiver]

Pop it before go have 70k absorb lol

[sharp meteor]

yeah

[elder wigeon]

ignore pain has a soft cap

[full quiver]

I did not know that

[elder wigeon]

it's around 20-30k

[sharp meteor]

so with signet yuo can use ip in opener actually then build it up

[full quiver]

I've certainly gotten some massive ones on arms

[sharp meteor]

which is nice but that's about the one use

[full quiver]

Usually pressing IP is cause I'm at 10% lmao

[sharp meteor]

usually inting to press because all fury has is sustained damage

[full quiver]

On fury

Yeh

[sharp meteor]

or if you're in actual shambles but even then usually just keep slamming dam

leaping/running can be fine if u have pet to hit and no cds up while they do have cds up

[elder wigeon]

if you can't just keep rampaging you're in a losing position and if you stop you'll start losing harder

shitty thing about fury

[sharp meteor]

yep

if u fall behind it's over

if you not even/ahead it just falls apart

[elder wigeon]

i don't enjoy how fury plays, i enjoy arms more but I don't like losing a lot more

conflict of interest to play arms unfortunately

[sharp meteor]

everything just hits so hard

and arms just does okay-good time

dk doing 20k with limb, havoc doing 9-12k the whole game

[full quiver]

Lol

I honestly think arms would be balanced if not a little underwhelming with last season dstance

[sharp meteor]

season just an arms race of who can slam the most unreal dam and arms not great at that

[elder wigeon]

it's good at that if it crits

[full quiver]

Yeah I remember getting MS for 50k

And procuring the double

Playing kitty, one shot someone in opener lol

I was full crit necro

[elder wigeon]

I can hit 30k mortal strikes, however that's with every buff in the world and no defensives

and it critting

[full quiver]

Yeh don't have thr busted druid link anymore

And less versa

[sharp meteor]

almost every comp 1-shots people with all their cds if enemy team doesn't press a defensive

ret or ww 1-shot 2-3 people

[elder wigeon]

ret gets you with the wings proc vanq hammer goes

random 60-0's because you crit them a little too much too quickly

[full quiver]

Resune queue dh war with me so I can get my mount pls

[sharp meteor]

Yep.

Watching my poor little shaman die in a warstomp.

No cross on healer, just sharpen.

Banged for 70% of his health insta.

[elder wigeon]

that sounds miserable

[full quiver]

I need cr vamp

https://tenor.com/view/climbing-young-orphaned-gorillas-see-their-adorable-bond-with-park-rangers-baby-gorilla-playing-having-fun-gif-23112374

[signal wasp]

I'm trying to learn to pvp this season...been a M+ tank for years. Is fury one of the easiest specs to learn with or should I roll with one of my other toons? I have all tanks at 60 with around 260 ilvl m+ gear

[elder wigeon]

fury has a low skill floor

it's one of the easier melee to play

[signal wasp]

cool, thanks Resune

[hasty crane]

What will rank 1 cuttoff be this season?

[lucid walrus]

at least 2

[paper heath]

Vs Ele Demo Hpriest, what target do you usually go as ret/warr or TSG?

[lucid walrus]

we’ve been going ele as ret/warr

casters feel like a suicide matchup but that works somewhat reliably

[indigo barn]

Go ele, as soon as tyrant comes out, have your pally fear it

Go double time warbringer and run the ele down

With the shaman

Kick lava burst

Enjoy watching them do no famage

Oh and kill skyfury asap

They will try and static totem your go

A single crushing blow will kill it usually

[lucid walrus]

curious what the fuck you’re supposed to do into mlx as r/w now

[indigo barn]

Depends on the mage

If he is retarded go double time on the mage

Otherwise idk

Can feel real oppressive

What I have found is that you can pressure the lock, and he will do near the same damage as if he was left alone

Frost mages however, do far less if trained

If they are running with a holy pala

Living through the mage cds and running him down can work

This is around 2200-2300 btw

[simple rock]

this strat will stop working as you push higher

if ele trades and kites properly your warr will start getting fucked by tyrant and ele dmg after your go

like unhealable dmg

killing pet and lining is more reliable

esp if you can kick purge feldom

[lucid walrus]

we’re around the same, yeah

[indigo barn]

Pally runs the near instant cast turn evil soulbind on tyrant

[simple rock]

it's dispellable

if they have comms or enemy healer is aware

[indigo barn]

True

Can throw hoj right after

The biggest brain play is to play nelf and meld it so it swaps to your healer

I mean you could run blind on your pally

Blind->dispell->fear

It runs into a los

Despawns by the time it gets back

[simple rock]

cc chain the pet instead of healer

would probably work though

nice game design atm

[tough wind]

what trinket set up are human warriors running atm?

proc and cc reduction?

[simple rock]

rele + dps trinket into most comps

medallion + bm or aegis into setup comps

rmp/thug

[indigo barn]

[lucid walrus]

been trying BM and man it just does not feel good

cool i have 3-4 non-burst gcds' worth of extra hp y'know

[simple rock]

bm is like don't die to rogue duel insurance

[raw summit]

Wait as Demo?

[simple rock]

buffer zone for your healer to top you

[raw summit]

Or what's the context im missing here

[tough wind]

rele?

[simple rock]

relentless \

cc reduction

[obsidian loom]

Guys I killed a rogue

Waowee

[lucid walrus]

pics or it didn't happen

[obsidian loom]

[lean burrow]

how do you kill pet under health funnel?

[simple rock]

🦶

[lean burrow]

so I have to be near the lock while I kill the pet?

would I need to cleave with ww then?

when do I need to line them?

[simple rock]

you line and run during tyrant

killing pet is what you do during all that

[lean burrow]

but the lock (and pet) would get healed to full by the time tyrant runs out

[simple rock]

good that means u survived the go if lock is just health funneling

health funneling is really bad for lock

their healer should be healing pet

unless it's gonna die 100%

[lean burrow]

yeah I played like that, line on tyrant while hitting the pet behind pillar, it gets health funneled, healer heals lock, I cry

or do I need to try to oom their healer through the pet? that'd be funny

[simple rock]

you can

[obsidian loom]

Kill the pet

[simple rock]

the goal in general is to survive tyrant without pressing every single defensive cd

if you stay out you will have to

[obsidian loom]

And kill fellords too

[lean burrow]

and then I charge back to lock while hitting pet and cleaving onto lock, kicking health funnel?

[obsidian loom]

Any pets you can they're buffed to the tits

After tyrant you can start hitting lock

After two tyrants you pretty much can win

[lean burrow]

hit lock? then what about the pet?

[simple rock]

depends how you wanna play it, but only hitting pet is probably bad

also depends if you're playing 2s or 3s

[lean burrow]

in 2s

maybe I just try to kill the pet, if it doesn't die just hit the lock?

[simple rock]

in 2s I would just run at the healer after tyrant go tbh

unless you're still dying

[lean burrow]

was losing all day yesterday vs demo

[simple rock]

lock shield is like 100k now

[lean burrow]

locks with 110k hp

[obsidian loom]

The balancing this season is amazing

Almost as good as corruption season

[opaque whale]

Why are people mad at gear being locked behind rating

Genuinely don’t understand

[lean burrow]

alright, thanks bois

I'll just run away on tyrant and then hit healer

or pet, or lock

I still don't get it

[simple rock]

because it's insanely bad to have big item level disparity in a ranked game mode

it's awful for new players

[jagged trench]

It also makes smurfing and boosting 10x worse.

[simple rock]

^

[obsidian loom]

Idea is to keep uptime and get a kill on some longer lived pets, lock becomes less juiced

[simple rock]

imagine going for your first 1800 and you keep queueing into assalordXXX multiple times with full duelist gear

killing ur teammate in 2secs

[raw summit]

imagine ur at 1300 at 260 ilvl and face a 286

[jagged trench]

or playing an alt

[sharp meteor]

I mean people are gonna get rival carries for elite sets regardless of ilev

Pika gonna be doing viewer games all day in dragonlands

and people still gonna bitch 🥴

[simple rock]

well that's just people being dumb

[sharp meteor]

they're being dumb now

[simple rock]

if you lose at even item level that's just fair game

[jagged trench]

Well yeah, the streamer smurf meta won't go anywhere. The iLevel disparity makes those matchups even harder tho

[sharp meteor]

1550 players thinking they're getting snapped in half in the opener by like a 15x r1 because he has better gear 🤠

glad dragonlands is fixing that yep

[raw summit]

him being so good makes it all the more brutal

[simple rock]

sure people get mega outplayed cuz skill diff but gear is absolutely a factor

[raw summit]

awc player fullgear vs noobers

forgot if hes a blizzcon champ

tbh

unsure now

[simple rock]

pika?

[obsidian loom]

How do I pretend I pve with normies without pvp gear ilvl tho

[jagged trench]

eh, guy makes a killing farming 1600 mmr for viewers all day

[simple rock]

he's like 2nd place blizzcon

[raw summit]

285 go 272 iirc?

so ur at like a above average ilvl

[obsidian loom]

I mean in df

[raw summit]

OH

dude i dont know man

all i know is that i dont touch my pvp gear rn

277 pve tho

[obsidian loom]

They're going to know I have no idea how to do this +15

[raw summit]

15s are free if 2 people have a brain

[obsidian loom]

[jagged trench]

In the Holinka interview he said gear level/upgrades are staying but it will be PvE only. So like, your pvp gear in arena would be mythic iLevel and stay that way but you could boost its PvE iLevel.

[simple rock]

that's kinda based

[lucid walrus]

unnecessary barrier to entry

[simple rock]

i can keep pretending to be good at pve with easy ksm

[obsidian loom]

How do you boost it

Valor?

[jagged trench]

Dunno

[obsidian loom]

Maybe spendies

[jagged trench]

Not that much was said lol

[obsidian loom]

Like Diablo immortal

We're going full send mtx

[jagged trench]

Maybe they'll add a cash shop item that makes it so rogues can't kill you.

[obsidian loom]

I'd spendie

[lucid walrus]

honor grinds to upgrade are unanimously hated. i understand where the whole "mmo = character power growth" comes from but i don't think it's conducive to the health of a niche gamemode

[obsidian loom]

Why live forever when you can piss off rogues

[lucid walrus]

r1s playing viewer games are gonna dunk on average players actually pushing regardless, no need to exacerbate the issue with them having 3-7% more dam just from gear on top of it

[obsidian loom]

The whole idea of ilvl in pvp is a cope for Perma duelists to take out their angst on 1300s

[lucid walrus]

unironically

[raw summit]

in pve it feels fine but pvp ur just bashing ur head into a wall for some currency

since i can really see and feel my pve gear change

[lucid walrus]

exactly ya

[lean burrow]

what's "longer lived pets"?

[sage raptor]

Tank pets I guess

[obsidian loom]

Imps don't live long

Felguards do

[lean burrow]

oh i get it

[opaque whale]

Yeah but either way

If you’re good enough for it ur gonna get max gear eventually

Morr rewarding

[near delta]

Goddamn there are so many caster cleaves now

[elder wigeon]

most revolve around ele or demo

[thick reef]

resune ik that sham ur queing with haha

is he playing good last, used to que with him he was kinda meh w me

[near delta]

Feels like aff is kinda getting slept on

[opaque whale]

Fought double aff earlier

Worst thing ever

[elder wigeon]

lol

[thick reef]

yo

i qued with that sham b4 haha

lol nice nam,e btw

[elder wigeon]

yeah for some reason it cut off the q

[thick reef]

ahhhh

[elder wigeon]

onehundrediq

[full quiver]

Dang you've got up to 2450 now lma

[elder wigeon]

in what?

[thick reef]

3s i think

[final lark]

any tips for versing frost mage in 2s? I have 2 days played on war, running double time

[indigo barn]

Double time, warbringer, bloodrage

[opaque whale]

^

[indigo barn]

Dodging the frozen orb opener is bis

Or hiking the blizzard

[opaque whale]

Frost mage/healer should be easy

[indigo barn]

Duking*

If he gets out lichbourne

Leaping away is an option

A good fury can kite it

Once lichbourne is over

It's free

Also save bladestorm after his first and possibly only blink

[warped warren]

thats me, queuing as 286 gigachad arms with my negative mmr 250 ilvl buddies

sudden deth

[indigo barn]

Wouldn't it be 'dead' as it's past tense?

[warped warren]

kill pets go next

their death is sudden so no

🤓

[echo zenith]

good day, is the pinned 9.2 guide is still up to date?

[elder wigeon]

says so

[lean burrow]

🤓 it's 9.2.5

[elder wigeon]

update ur pin noob

[lean burrow]

btw, why do pro gamers on murlok.io don't get 39% vers?

[echo zenith]

they noobs

is this site anygood?

wowmeta

[elder wigeon]

no idea

vers above 30% is bad imho

other stats = more dam

[echo zenith]

Greatsword or Pulverizer?

or 1 main hand the other off hand?

[elder wigeon]

pulverizer because mastery > crit

[undone pumice]

updaye whatdawg

[warped warren]

sword because arms

[undone pumice]

has anything changed???

i can change patch number for 9.2.0 tk 9.2.5

[echo zenith]

question, as a necro

do i fleshcraft at the start

or durring fight

to regain some health?

[undone pumice]

both

[lean burrow]

fleshcraft kidney shot

[full kiln]

so

hunter has unbreakable on damage root

during which he can

k ill me with out issu e

?\

[raw summit]

you can also just bloodrage it

[full kiln]

bro wow is easy yo u get to 3.5k arena rating so easy

all you gotta do is press buttons yo u know

[elfin surge]

hi friends

[full kiln]

3.5k exp is easy just dont lose any games

waht do u you mean by fucking just bloodrage it

[raw summit]

it removes the fucking root man

what else am i supposed to tell you?

[elfin surge]

i like bloodrage into hunters

[raw summit]

or be freedom'd

or bs it

[full kiln]

it happened in bg man

xd

[elfin surge]

If you're signet you have 3 root breakers 😎

[raw summit]

or press a wall

or dont play bgs

[wheat jay]

Hola Habibi ❤️

[full kiln]

bgs are chill

arenas make me mad

[elfin surge]

blame healer

[full kiln]

i blame anyone

[elfin surge]

i blame u

[full kiln]

dont care its not my fault

i got rooted and beamed

cuz blizzard is gay company

led and run by gay incels who work on our game and make it bad

[wheat jay]

Or

You just suck

[raw summit]

maybe just reflect the druid root

[full kiln]

now imagine this lads

going to work

in their office

and nerfing your class

:- (

[thick reef]

??

[wheat jay]

Its okay guys, pride month is over

[raw summit]

NOTHING blizz changed has to do with not reacting to cc

[wheat jay]

[wheat jay]

Nah bro

Its only blizz

[full kiln]

blizzard is to blame

[wheat jay]

Fury should have root break on crashing blow

[full kiln]

yes

[wheat jay]

And 90% dmg reduction for 1.5s after casting it

[full kiln]

yes

[wheat jay]

Like broken feign death REEEEEEEE

[full kiln]

give warriors win button

[wheat jay]

There is

Banner

[full kiln]

really xd

its even nerfed

[wheat jay]

And still busted

[full kiln]

like top rated warrior in 2s is 2.6k only

not sure there are any warriors in top 50

in 2s

[raw summit]

2s is not a warrior bracket

even prenerf

[full kiln]

yewar ez to outplay

can reset ez

[raw summit]

well the thing is the best 2s comps need to try really hard to die to a fury

[wheat jay]

Fury sucks into outlaw

[undone pumice]

outlaw sucks into ???

[wheat jay]

Is decent into survi cuz bloodrage

[wheat jay]

Nothing

[undone pumice]

exactly

reroll outlaw

[wheat jay]

Worst it has is being on even Field

[undone pumice]

[wheat jay]

Against survi and sub afaik

[full kiln]

no i really dont get it man

they dont nerf outlaw

and nerf class thats decent in 3s garbage in 2s

xd

[raw summit]

because they balance around 3s

[full kiln]

so why outlaw isnt balanced then?

you cant really defend them

[raw summit]

they "nerfed" them

how good the nerfs are is a different thing

[wheat jay]

Fury is s tier, stop acting like its not busted cmon...

[full kiln]

ofcourse its s tier otherwise i wouldnt play it

[wheat jay]

Outlaw is also s tier, and ALSO has an s tier comp

And lets be real, just playing fury is free 1800

In 2s

And 2100 if you know when to use your defensives

[full kiln]

ye i got to 1800 with 4 days played o n lvl 60

brainless class

[fickle forge]

This is the biggest virgin victimhood mentality right here

[full kiln]

well you either dont know what term victimhood means or you are speaking about yourself

not sure

@fickle forge

[fickle forge]

For sure pal

[full kiln]

i mean you probably made statement about yourself

[fickle forge]

Why don't you commit to rogue or mage though? Enjoy always being S-tier

[full kiln]

couse it makes sense

f its

[fickle forge]

See it as a big win for ya

[full kiln]

haha

big win?

what a guy

[fickle forge]

You get to be S-tier forever and never be nerfed by those people you dislike

What's not to love

[full kiln]

i already leveled 2 chars

wym

[fickle forge]

So what

[full kiln]

not going to level third no way

[fickle forge]

Then suffer in silence really

[raw summit]

Dude i have 2 warriors alone so why cant u level a 3rd char

It takes like 10≈15h Max anyways

[full kiln]

maybe i level rogue when timewalking shows up

just spam rdf

or i just keep playing warrior cuz its ez

[mortal elm]

Is replica grand marshal transmog needs 1800 Rated battleground rating?

If so, is it hard to get 1800 in rbgs

[raw summit]

yes

[lavish ember]

Pff I have 47 chars. Posers. 😎

[twilit ridge]

it is and it is not hard

[obsidian loom]

Rbg is a trip

[full kiln]

facing glad mounts so often on 1.7k 3s tf

[compact heron]

I feel like the player base is so diluted with em they barely mean anything now a days.

[wheat jay]

People with alts

[full kiln]

i win them mostly tbh

ez

[wheat jay]

Good

[gusty zinc]

gotta say im pretty hyped up, hit 1600 in 2v2 within my first ever month of playing pvp

[full kiln]

rofl wym

<<1800 in a week

[gusty zinc]

k

good for you, other people can still have accomplishments lmfao

[eager oracle]

Is it just me or is fury pretty healer reliant ( at least a lot more so than arms) granted I have a lot more experience on arms

[undone pumice]

no not really

arms is more healer reliant cuz

[full kiln]

tbh i still havent learned all classes cds

[undone pumice]

less self heal

[full kiln]

like

idk what are those icons im seeing

what they do

xd

[eager oracle]

Got yah, I’m probably just more comfortable at arms then. Warrior is my alt but I normally get to around 2100 and chill depending on if warrior or dk is better

Melee cleave arms wins hands down though with die by?

Was doing pretty low mmr learning fury and I feel like it’s a lot of melee cleaves

[gusty zinc]

lots of ret fury comps frm what i have seen

[fickle forge]

Must be NA gameplay

[eager oracle]

Correct

[fickle forge]

Demo+ele festering EU ladder

[gusty zinc]

yeah have seen that too 😦

[eager oracle]

I absolutely hate that comp and I play a DK for main

So feel free to flame

DK/Hunt eats demo/ele but I’ve been having issues as demo/dk

They just kill his pet instantly

[full quiver]

Warrior is healer reliant

[fickle forge]

Just play enh sham and be the healer

[eager oracle]

I boosted a priest to try out arena healing, probably won’t touch it now that S4 is announced

[fickle forge]

Done Rsham this sesson

Pressed Ascend+Tide and @wheat jay still died

Great CDs

[eager oracle]

I’ve never arena healed, thought it might be fun to try it out

Raid healed in MoP and that’s it

[wheat jay]

They heal NOTHING

[eager oracle]

But now it’s last second scramble to find partners for a last second glad push time

Was planning on doing it in august because my healer is on honeymoon first 2 weeks of July and the hunter is on vacation the last 2 :p

[gusty zinc]

what was the end result of the fury nerfs btw? is fury necrolord still better than arms kyrian?

[fickle forge]

Idk why kyrian arms is so hyped

Just play necro arms

[gusty zinc]

doesnt arms kinda make shit use of banner tho?

[eager oracle]

It’s more zugzug isn’t it?

[fickle forge]

Enjoy rogues, hunters, locks and DKs not screwing over your cov ability

[eager oracle]

Spear>wings> kill in opener

[fickle forge]

50k Execute isn't shit use

[full kiln]

healing in arena

10x harder then dps tho

[eager oracle]

Arms banner doesn’t line up with any of your CDs

It lines up with your rets tho

[fickle forge]

Neither with fury?

[gusty sand]

is kyrian the play now or necro still good after nerf ?

[eager oracle]

He asked about arms In particular just wanted to say it was the same thing

More of a party buff after opener than for you I feel like

[fickle forge]

So play necro arms for the same reason you play necro fury

Fat damage, uptime and group benefit

[gusty zinc]

i didnt ask about arms in particular lol

is kyrian arms or necro fury currently performing higher

[undone pumice]

equal

[eager oracle]

Oh your second comment was doesn’t arms make shit use of banner

That’s my bad missed the first

[gusty zinc]

yeah because someone mentioned go necro arms

[eager oracle]

In 3s unless I’m playing with spriest I feel like I’m always necro

Might be some argument to get them stuck in a spear so they can’t line your priest?

[undone pumice]

necro arms also good

[gusty zinc]

i guess whats the benefit of necro arms vs kyrian arms

and vice versa

[undone pumice]

necro = dmg

[fickle forge]

Problem with spear is that 80% of meta specs can break it

[undone pumice]

kyrian = lockdown

[undone pumice]

80% of specs in general tbh

[fickle forge]

Even mages

[eager oracle]

Yeah that’s why I kind of stopped playing it

[gusty zinc]

spear feels buggy as shit

[eager oracle]

MaGeS

[wheat jay]

Play banner, double time, sudden death, death sentence

[eager oracle]

Lemme just blink all your stuns rq

[wheat jay]

Enjoy fury mobility without being a beta male

[undone pumice]

just reroll dh at that point

[wheat jay]

No

[eager oracle]

Was curious why so many take double time

Just for sustain?

[undone pumice]

the fast

[fickle forge]

Preserve your lifts

[eager oracle]

A stun is pretty huge to give up

[undone pumice]

yeah personally i wouldnt reroll dh

i am allergic to leather

[wheat jay]

Stun is useless if you cant connect

[fickle forge]

Which you normally also use stun for

[wheat jay]

Ye

But if someone has many more mobility skills than you

[fickle forge]

Also depends on your comp really

[wheat jay]

Then double time is better

[eager oracle]

Warrior/ret what is the warriors stereotypical job

[wheat jay]

Or if stunning doesn't achieve much

Like, stunning mage is worthless

[eager oracle]

Force a trinket with disarm?

[wheat jay]

Stunning rogue is gucci

[fickle forge]

Fat damage and peels ofc

[wheat jay]

Stunning lock is also wack

[eager oracle]

I normally play DK, I feel like if I don’t trinket the disarm to death strike it’s gg

[gusty zinc]

why is stunning mage or lock not the move? new to the whole pvp thing

[eager oracle]

In the opener

[fickle forge]

Ye but you're DK

Just wall the stun

[fickle forge]

Mage Blink removes stuns

[gusty zinc]

IT DOES?

more reason to hate mage

[fickle forge]

Stunning locks isn't bad at all, but lock mobility is pretty high paired with their CC

Again, depends on your own comp

[gusty zinc]

gotcha. can you play fury with crit? wanna give the spec a go but all my gear is for arms

[fickle forge]

Fury wants haste pretty desperately

[gusty zinc]

yeah thats kinda what i figured :/

how big of a deal is fury extra HP at the end of the day

like when swap to fury i have another 8k health to play with

does that compensate well enough for missing out on defensive stance and dbts

[elder wigeon]

kyrian fury fucks

[elder wigeon]

fury hp over arms is equal to having d-stance enabled

in terms of 100-0 damage you can take

[gusty zinc]

Oh gotcha

[fickle forge]

You have perma Dstance as fury

No penalty

[gusty zinc]

and u also get warpaint

[fickle forge]

Ye

That's the Dstance

[gusty zinc]

fuck boys may have to swap

[fickle forge]

Extra health and no consequences Dstance

[gusty zinc]

lol

i guess i dont understand what arms currently does better

[wheat jay]

Being chad

[full quiver]

Banner and parry

[fickle forge]

Utility

[gusty zinc]

what utility does it have that fury doesnt

i guess disarm

and warbanner

nah cuz fury can disarm too

[fickle forge]

Warbanner

Duel

Freedom of choice on your PvP talents

[full quiver]

Duel is really good because they're already killing you

And you can taunt them while they're killing you

[fickle forge]

😎 👍

[wary tinsel]

Is Necrolord still the play post-nerf?

[gusty zinc]

gotcha

prob stick with arms till august then decide what to prioritize

[full kiln]

yess

[elder wigeon]

kyrian is underrated

[obsidian loom]

I started with kyrian actually bc I had season 1 brain

Spear still fucks

Especially rogues without evasion

If the meta becomes permanent rmp it might be worth going arms to lock down rogues, it's just a shame we can't parry in stuns

ER doesn't help that much either tbh

[tough compass]

nothing helps against rmp rn

because thats the only thing not getting nerfed at all lol

[full kiln]

rofl

true

idk man

[obsidian loom]

I played a 2s yesterday vs a protpal rogue

[full kiln]

who is doing this nerfs and stuff

[obsidian loom]

Rogue got summer

My mw died within a frame

[full kiln]

how are classes ge tting nerfed/buffed

they talk to players

or play it and try out

or what

[obsidian loom]

I'm convinced it's some boomer reading the pvp forums

[full kiln]

bro

[obsidian loom]

And rogues are screaming there

[full kiln]

iv been talking about this got warning

in 2 minutes\

but idk

[obsidian loom]

Rogues and locks screech like children

[full kiln]

bro

every 2s game is lock

[obsidian loom]

It is

Yesterday session I think every game had a rogue or lock

[full kiln]

in 3s played 30 games saw few warrior

[obsidian loom]

Sometimes both

[full kiln]

its not even that played

[obsidian loom]

I played a 2s with double combat

Game lasted 10 minutes until we lost all our CDs and they had theirs

You can't lock them down

Yeah we get stun dr but then there's vanish sap blind etc

[full quiver]

Kyrian fury feels good

Having vial vs rogue and feral is great

[obsidian loom]

It's a one time use though

[eager oracle]

Why you can get MC DC’d so often and still have it be a thing is annoying

[obsidian loom]

Luckily I haven't had it much

[eager oracle]

It happens at least once a que session and it almost always costs me a win

Last time it happened when we had two of their dps at 15% hp with CDs up :p. Happened 3x in one game of solo shuffle as well

[warped warren]

actually insane vs nf assa

[eager oracle]

Idk if there are factors that make someone more susceptible but for me it’s redic

[raw summit]

Walls i think

Being jumped into walls fucks me usually

[warped warren]

idk i get dcd from walking on the wrong pebble

[eager oracle]

The one that lost it for us was that night elf looking map

Forgot the name

Got MC dead center 1 step and I DC’d

[warped warren]

classic

[eager oracle]

I guess it’s been a thing for awhile too?

[warped warren]

since season 1

[full kiln]

can war play with\

lock

?

3s

[wary heart]

yeah

i did last night it worked really well

lock swap as demo is super easy since they dont need to ramp on a particular target, they can ramp even on shit like totems

synergies with pets for the simple fact that people cant target pets as easily since you're in their face

you can even intervene pets i believe 🤣

[full quiver]

Yeah but you trinket and save yourself with phial vs vanish sepsis

Pretty huuuuge

[wary heart]

then they do it again in 2 minutes lmao

[fickle forge]

If only trinket was 2 min CD

[wary heart]

explain how this is balanced, it literally is designed to be robust to every possible counter

if it goes full duration, you're dead

if it doesnt, you get a free restealth

also if it doesnt it still does bc it blows up

???

[fickle forge]

You know Sepsis is the most dangerous at the beginning right?

If you manage to live the first couple sec, you may as well let it run out

[wary heart]

its also more dangerous the more dampening because it becomes unhealable

i find it absurd its proc is based on a target living made it to pvp

[fickle forge]

Damn bro, that seems pretty unique to Sepsis and not damage in general

[wary heart]

sepsis in dampening is unique because the healer has to make a split second choice compared to most other bursts, idk

my healers say sepsis is the worst of bursts in dampening

worse than UA back in the day

tldr, there's no counterplay for it making it feel like shit to play vs

[fickle forge]

Idk dude, Sepsis doesn't seem to be that much of an issue on higher ratings

[wary heart]

i want vanilla overpower procs for rogues to hardcounter them

[fickle forge]

Weird how high tier assassa rogues play necro too 🤔

[wary heart]

in the 3k bracket? yea im not there

[deep latch]

Stepsis?

[wary heart]

uwu

also it seems 5050 not the majority

[fickle forge]

😎 👍

Gottem

[warped warren]

dispelled sepsis has 1m cd

[fickle forge]

Not like it really matters since hardly anyone plays assassa on ladder

[warped warren]

[warped warren]

gz

[undone pumice]

LETS FUVKING GO

[wary heart]

waowee

[ember totem]

Just a couple years and expansion late 😉😂

[undone pumice]

shut the fuck up prot main

[full kiln]

prot main wtf

[mystic barn]

Just wear ams lego vs sepsis abusers 😎

[nimble jasper]

this is most burst

from good players

waiting a sec might mean you eat an extra cc

and die for it

1600 andies complaining about the dumbest things

[mystic barn]

this burst is different and unique compared to other sources of burst because not only does it burst but it bursts like other types of burst 😎

[full quiver]

played vs a bunch of sin rogues at 2200 yesterday in 2s

love just standing next to them channeling mend bandage

on my healer

lol

had one where guy opens with PI on himself, vendetta sepsis and vanish

and healer doesn't drop below 90% because i get full bandage channel

[stuck karma]

🤢

[gusty zinc]

im the only dude not running into rogues and locks, im getting the ele and demon hunter special

and hunters... fuck hunters

is it worth using sharpen blade in your opener?

[raw summit]

sharpen ideally isnt used for the dam amp but for the increased healing recieved debuff

[gusty zinc]

only a 25 second cooldown so I would assume so

right, but if you realistically arent getting kills that early with arms anyways

is there any harm in popping it for your first MS

wait does sharpen blade make it so the person cant be healed at all? kind of confused. MS already does 50%, sharpen blade says 50% as well

does it just become 75%?

[warped warren]

?

ms is 25

xd

50 with sharpen

[gusty zinc]

bizarre

[raw summit]

pve tooltip

check dstance in pve/arena

youll see the diff

[warped warren]

its nerfed in pvp

[raw summit]

[gusty zinc]

OH

lol just loaded into a bg

thanks

[fickle forge]

Yeah there's a ton of hidden PvP info

You need to be in actual PvP combat or instance for it to kick in

MS isn't the only one, you've probably noticed it deals way less dmg in PvP too

[wary heart]

god i wish

[wary heart]

if you're not swofty 1 shot macro'ing everything idk how you're playing the game

[gusty zinc]

TRUE

gotta put avatar charge sharpen warbeaker mortal all on 1 key press

[full quiver]

lol my banner/bloodfury/reckless/badge macro was "swifty"

but i don't know how to do cast sequence

so sometimes it would cast reck and proc bladestorm