pvp

[sharp meteor]

Anybody know this feel

It should still be at least decent. 5% nerf to conq mastery then 20% off cb seems fine.

I'm more concerned about being statchecked by dh/boom, dh/dk, dk/demo, etc.

You can still just conq/reck off mount and kill everybody in the opener to duelist.

[elder mulch]

Pls nerf fury war

More

[sharp meteor]

Pls sir is c- tier unplayable

[nimble jasper]

people realizing

dh boomy still good?

[sharp meteor]

mooners all setting up their demo rn

people will start setting up their ele in a week or two

[opaque whale]

Demo dk mw

[near delta]

Ele is nasty as shit. Surprised I don't see more yet

[full quiver]

fuck blizzard

making me have to actually play another leggo on survival

and thinka bout what i'm doing

big lame

[indigo barn]

Send mog pic

I need to know

[shut tangle]

yo have any of you guys done the mage tower?

[elder wigeon]

yes

[indigo barn]

Yes I have played EOTS

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, I have the book.

[sharp meteor]

It's just the black/red rogue elite set from legion.

[indigo barn]

I'm guessing on a furry?

[sharp meteor]

Perhaps.

[sage raptor]

All the time as an undead

[simple rock]

can any hunter player here explain how some hunters can always land trap when I stack on my healer?

it should be 50/50 right?

[sharp meteor]

You just fling it towards the closer plate.

I feel like Hunter hits those like 90% of the time

also trying to eat traps feels like inting because unless the hunter is shitting himself because of how hard you're hitting them then they'll almost always trap off the cc and you lose uptime

[simple rock]

yeah but sometimes trap landed is gg

only possible thing you can do

[spice hornet]

nope because i need to stay orc

[sage raptor]

So...... yes?

He said shit race

[spice hornet]

why is dk perma immune to spear p much

[sharp meteor]

death's advance rips it off

and it's always up for spear so

if dk every game then i am sending conq spear is cringeeee

[simple rock]

a lot of the time DKs will just deaths advance for uptime

[nimble jasper]

its cuz death's advance immunes you to forceful movements right

[simple rock]

because no one plays spear anymore

[nimble jasper]

while its active

[simple rock]

smart dk players almost do not exist

[nimble jasper]

good dk players

just chains of ice

[spice hornet]

wraith walk and da lol

and they can ams out of it

[nimble jasper]

and walk away frmo you

[spice hornet]

perma immune

[nimble jasper]

when they dont have damage

XD

queueing into good dks in 2s

is actual mald

[nimble jasper]

and then you die

to a guy on his alt named snowmixysub

[elder wigeon]

they can ams spear and death's advance it

spear is not good in this meta

[sage raptor]

I swear I feel like the only smart dk on the ladder sometimes. Had a dude not amz my go and then like a minute later, there's a random amz on the ground lol. Like dude...

You gotta be smarter than a broken clock sometimes

[nimble jasper]

idk

craven nerf should be interesting...

with how many hunters feign piss

[sage raptor]

I haven't checked the hunter discord yet. I wonder how they are.

[nimble jasper]

actually depends on spec

some classes their cds are pretty well known

then theres specs like outlaw people wall the most random crap

"hmmmm....no no not that kidney we trinket next kidney"

[sage raptor]

Imma be honest my cds are off CD so much I pop them out of boredom

On my outlaw

[nimble jasper]

ok if you play cdr

in the 2s bracket

beyond cringe

[wheat jay]

About Hunter change

[nimble jasper]

wdym

[elder wigeon]

why does that look photoshopped

[nimble jasper]

bm still exists

[wheat jay]

Isn't

You think id bother?

[elder wigeon]

the spacing between good and now is too small and the font is off

[wheat jay]

Lmao

[sage raptor]

And the pepo looks low too

[wheat jay]

Well, go to his discord and search if you dont believe me lmao

[sage raptor]

No

I will live in ignorance and be happy

[nimble jasper]

idk why he said hunter

when bm is still a thing

[wheat jay]

Craven nerf is for all specs

Probably that's why

Dumbo mich

[nimble jasper]

i loev me some god awful bm players tho

who walk their pets on top of me

as i do an aoe stun

and cant petsac

[wheat jay]

Playing Monk?

[nimble jasper]

i was ye

usually hunter rdruid freelo tho

kill rdruid in opener

"what are the chances he trinket tranqs low and i just ring his tranq?"

[wheat jay]

Lmao

[nimble jasper]

tho i've seen them die from 50%

b/c even if you stop your own shit to ring

the clones are still fisting

[wheat jay]

Last season I died to monk while being in big dome

And not being the kill target

Just aoe

Full oneshot

[nimble jasper]

reminds me at the start of the season

[wheat jay]

Only I died too lmao

[nimble jasper]

a dh trinket incaps me mid sck spin

dies from 60%

to clones spinning

[wheat jay]

Lol

Retarded mechanics

[nimble jasper]

killing rogues by re fixating clones on them

as they run is the best

tho

[wheat jay]

There's so much retarded shit in the game

[nimble jasper]

i just see 2 clones jump after the rogue

and keep spinning

and kill him

[nimble jasper]

as dumb as the sef pet AI is

they are at least smart enough to go behind people

[wheat jay]

Don't tell me about pets dude

There's 1s delay when moving hunter pet

Why?

[nimble jasper]

i killed an assa rogue after his attempted sepsis oneshot

[wheat jay]

Why is there a full second delay?

[nimble jasper]

through trinket evasion coccoon

idk fuck hunters tbh

[wheat jay]

Fuck you too

Disgusting monk player

[nimble jasper]

i get bored after a few games

that class is a snoozefest

proc simulator

you basically onetap people and get onetapped

[lavish ember]

Hunters are beautiful.

They messed up monks though.

[nimble jasper]

bm is a literal abomination

i only like queueing into them on heavy burst classes

cuz 95% of bm hunters dont know how to peel

[wheat jay]

Bm is disgusting

Just like fury

Same tier of bullshit

And should never be strong in pvp

[elder wigeon]

is what it is

[wheat jay]

Is dogshit

But oh well

[elder wigeon]

man somehow arms gets worse every patch

played some games and it felt awful

there isn't a spec that does less dmg than arms

even with those nerfs fury is still better :/

[wheat jay]

Which is what we all said

But somehow people thought that the nerf would make arms better

[elder wigeon]

No overall arms got weaker

played against an sp doing 10K dps solid through the entire game, there was nothing I could do

every reflect I got a VT, kicked vt majority of the time, just unstoppable completely

[vital talon]

The year is 2022

Necrolord fury is meta

I was right all along.

[wheat jay]

https://c.tenor.com/lOqT02de4UEAAAAM/frankly-thats-a-skill-issue-hazzikostas.gif

[lucid walrus]

necrofury leaper

[wheat jay]

Fuk u wottle

[lucid walrus]

dom was 2/3 right

[elder wigeon]

I don't want to play fury it's brainless and unfun

I'm so sick of it

[wheat jay]

Play arms then

Or Play diff class

[elder wigeon]

arms is unplayable outside turbo and ret war

not even joking or being dramatic

[vital talon]

I'm going to be honest with you, warrior in general is fairly brainless

[elder wigeon]

arms has some finesse

[wheat jay]

Always has been

[elder wigeon]

fury has zero

[vital talon]

Your biggest counter to most things is to continue layering damage onto whatever

[wheat jay]

There's a reason warrior is the zug zug class

Its the most straightforward class in the game

[elder wigeon]

even revo caved and swapped fury, it's undeniable arms is just bad lol

[wheat jay]

Go in, do damage

[elder wigeon]

arms doesn't have the damage needed

[vital talon]

Arms can do like a cool thing with banner or whatever but it just leads to you hitting something until it dies

The endgame of a warrior and its ideal situation is to just be attacking a target endlessly

[elder wigeon]

legit nerf csmash and avatar by 20% aura buff arms by 20%, that's what it needs

[wheat jay]

20% aura buff

[elder wigeon]

arms's bottom line needs increased severely and its peak burst needs compressed quite a bit

[wheat jay]

Alright so you just want Arms to be busted again?

Like last two seasons?

Cuz that would make it busted

[elder wigeon]

it's a glass canon without the canon

[wheat jay]

Just like last two seasons

[elder wigeon]

it's niche is hitting 40k executes sometimes

[vital talon]

Arms being meta nearly killed wow

[wheat jay]

No, you just can't stand in the middle doing pve rotation forever

Like before

You have to sometimes play like a human

[elder wigeon]

you need to be able to to compete with every other melee

[wheat jay]

Lmao

Bruh

[elder wigeon]

fury can just stay in and deal 25% more dmg than you by existing

[wheat jay]

So to compete with other melees you need to be immortal and do double everyone's dmg?

[elder wigeon]

are you paying attention to the meta?

[wheat jay]

That sounds kinda delusional ngl

[elder wigeon]

arms continues to get worse and it's not in a good position to begin with

[vital talon]

Current meta is kill a target with a reso in a stun

If your class can do that it can compete

Or avoid that

[wheat jay]

Bruh wottle

It kinda evolved

[vital talon]

Frankly I am disgusted at the wins I get on my shitty rogue with unfair reso stuns

I deserve this paradise for playing warrior in bfa

My kingdom comen

Come

[sage raptor]

I'm not. Fuck them hoes.

[elder wigeon]

if rets and enhance got slam dunked next season and there's no changes to arms there will be less than a handful of arms warriors in r1

[sharp meteor]

arms is weird it's like

dk/dh/ret etc just do so much more damage

feels like you're either emotional support for the ret with intervene/ms etc

and/or have to run until spear is back up as kyrian

[elder wigeon]

it can't compete on dmg, is less durable

[sharp meteor]

ya squishy and underwhelming dam unironically

parry nice to stop cleave dmg but it lasts so little time and doesn't do much to say dk

just take your entire health bar from limb during it

[elder wigeon]

I was doing insane cleave vs this turbo and I was doing 7k dps through the whole game but the fury was just doing 8.5 and the enh was doing 10k dps lol

[sharp meteor]

yeah

[elder wigeon]

losing to a 2400 turbo as WLD

embarrassing

[opaque whale]

3rd top war plays arms

[elder wigeon]

with ret war or turbo

[opaque whale]

Idk i was just looking at 3s leaderboards

[elder wigeon]

nobody plays warrior above 2400 with any other comp tbh except maybe mud with tsg

[opaque whale]

Either way its viable

[elder wigeon]

yeah as turbo or ret war

I would worship any arms warrior that climbs with kfc to r1 lmao

[sharp meteor]

eh it doesn't feel great

like in the way that it's viable

you can't be in there

you die

[elder wigeon]

arms isn't not viable but it's not a competitive spec

it's way harder than fury

[opaque whale]

Im gonna try and play it to glad this season

With turbo

[sharp meteor]

wats ur cr because season ends in a few weeks probs

[opaque whale]

2150 just found a team tho

[elder wigeon]

turbo is really good

[opaque whale]

Hopefully

I cab

Can*

[sharp meteor]

turb is a good time

[elder wigeon]

kfc is not a good time 👍

i played like 5 games and 4 of them were dk comps 1 was RMP LMAO

[sharp meteor]

queued into kubzy and chun playing that and

would just turn and kill fury

through everything

[elder wigeon]

[sharp meteor]

first time i saw a mm hunter feign camo if anybody came within 30 yards it was wild

legit ran around pillars or feign camo between spear/binding/vortexes

[opaque whale]

Id prob have an easier time to get 2.4 on my mw

With dk demo

But my mw 3s cr is so low

[sharp meteor]

dk demo new freelo ya just spam unreasonably high dam

cross-cc like rmp

[opaque whale]

Yeah lmao

Maybe i do that

Is it gonna be a pain in the ass to get glad next season because of how short it will be

[sharp meteor]

axe toss, another axe toss, coil if they trinket, healer chastises or bashes/incaps>clones, dk asphyxes somebody then strangs healer

all while pets doing 30-40k dps

also demo ms is 60 energy on 200 energy pool with 12 sec duration meaniung u can easily apply to both people at least on big go

[opaque whale]

Mistweaver feels so good honestly

[lucid walrus]

as of today or before that?

[elder wigeon]

how i feel the meta is looking rn

[opaque whale]

Before

I havent tried it today was working all day

And only played my war

It feels amazing in 2s most of the time

Was an easier duelist than my war

With lfg

[sage raptor]

I like my two specs at S tier at the same time..been waiting years for that.

That looks like a tier list of an angry boi

[opaque whale]

Arms S tier

[sage raptor]

Fdk B?

Boomy put that shit in F tier

[elder wigeon]

i decompressed it a little bit S tier is really far and above everything else tbh

[sage raptor]

All the good ones rerolled

[elder wigeon]

nah boomie is good

dh boomie boomie war

not insane, just good

[opaque whale]

Awh he moved arms to C

Fuck

[sage raptor]

Unholy A tier. Right where it belongs.

[elder wigeon]

arms is not good lol

[opaque whale]

I feel like arms is better in turbo

[elder wigeon]

I played fury all season arms is seriously trash

nah

[opaque whale]

It feels better

Nahww

[spice hornet]

I feel like I’m always dead when playing arms without a turbo man

[elder wigeon]

yup

[opaque whale]

kyr arms in turbo>

[elder wigeon]

"that's how every other spec feels"

I know for a fact that's not how every other spec feels

[opaque whale]

Why did demo come out of nowhere btw

[spice hornet]

yeah it feeels really bad

[opaque whale]

What got buffed rhat made them good in 9.2.5

[sage raptor]

Unholy dk

[spice hornet]

if im 60% hp (which is what ur hp is usually at or lower without a hybrid) i can die in 1 sec to anything. ele hitting 8 lava bursts in 1 sec

[opaque whale]

So honestly if yoy think about it

New fury meta

Reckless defensive, anger management, kyrian

Think about it….

Reckless defense*

[sage raptor]

Wow players don't think, they do what they're told.

[opaque whale]

Thatd be fun build to try

Reckless defense and anger management stack i assume

[elder wigeon]

reckless defense is really bad

you need extreme uptime for it to be worth anything and even then it's not worth it

[spice hornet]

Week 2-3 of the season was the best for me pacing felt good outside of retard demos hitting 60k demon bolts

[opaque whale]

reckless defense and anger management would be super fast recks though wouldnt it

like way under a minute

[lucid walrus]

reckless isn't as good as you think it is

[opaque whale]

Yeah i guess

Besides crit

[elder wigeon]

reckless defense is very rng

[opaque whale]

U think fury meta will stay the same

Necro ra

[elder wigeon]

yeah

[opaque whale]

Boring

[elder wigeon]

there's no other option really

[opaque whale]

Theres another option

Unequip one wep

[elder wigeon]

crushing blow would have to get nerfed by another 20% and rampage would have to get nerfed by 10% for it to be equal to arms damage finally

but even then it's still better

[opaque whale]

Lmao

Arms has a better toolkit ehh

[elder wigeon]

so funny they decided to buff sp damage because it's tier set isn't that good

[opaque whale]

Has better cleave for turbo too

[elder wigeon]

arms tier set outside 2 set is not good

arms has the same toolkit wdym

war banner barely works, duel is useless, you are the kill target

[opaque whale]

ignore pain is better, and parry>enraged for our defensives

Defensive stance but thats kind of ass now

[elder wigeon]

ignore pain is better yes but you also don't have enraged regen heals or battle trance

[lucid walrus]

passive dstance from warpaint at this point

[elder wigeon]

it also doesn't have 10% dam reduction or 10% more health

[opaque whale]

stop convincing me to swap back fury…

[elder wigeon]

lol

[opaque whale]

Why did it have to get nerfed

😭

[elder wigeon]

arms? because it was too good with ret war and turbo last season

in season 1 arms was egregious

[wheat jay]

Not only too good with ret war and turbo, it was the best spec in the game

[elder wigeon]

eh rmp existed

arms was tied with sub in my mind

[wheat jay]

Yes, im not saying ret war was the best comp

Just that arms was the best single spec in the game

Amazing toolkit

Amazing peels

GIGA burst

Good mobility

Good own defensives

Perma 20% wall whenever you needed

[opaque whale]

Ill still try to climb with it

[wheat jay]

Did I forget anything ?

[opaque whale]

I see some arms up there

We’ll see

[wheat jay]

Cuz people still play arms, even at r1 range

[opaque whale]

Yea

[wheat jay]

Doomers are just dooming

[elder wigeon]

lol same problem as fire mage, how many fire mages do you see playing anything other than RMP

how many arms warriors do you see playing anything other than ret war or turbo

[wheat jay]

Almost zero

Seen more tsg than ret warr with arms

[elder wigeon]

tsg would be disgusting if arms was better

imo fury tsg is better

[wheat jay]

I mean

Arms is not dogshit

Y'all just fell from sssssss+++++ tier to just A

[elder wigeon]

no but outside of those two comps it's not good

I wouldn't dare put arms at A

[wheat jay]

I would

Even in the current meta

[opaque whale]

Its still good

I havent done a real queue session cause im learning but it feels bettee than fury in rbgs rn lmao

[elder wigeon]

nah I got lambasted today harder than last week

[wheat jay]

You just prefer to cry over fury being boring

[opaque whale]

Rbgs arent a good comparison

But hits hard

[wheat jay]

Wah wah fury boring, proceeds to do 20k dps on people that csnt kite it

Cuz its impossible to kite fury

[elder wigeon]

lol

play bm then mr high and mighty

[wheat jay]

No

Why would I?

[elder wigeon]

why wouldn't you

bm is better than surv

[wheat jay]

Ok so?

I dont enjoy it

Thus I play survival

[elder wigeon]

I don't enjoy fury

[wheat jay]

Meanwhile you dont enjoy fury and yet you Play it

Kinda beta mindset

[elder wigeon]

I've been playing arms the last few weeks

and it's really really bad by comparison to fury

[wheat jay]

Ye cuz fury is amazing spec and arms is currently just good

Well,maybe not amazing, but super strong xD

[opaque whale]

Idk if fury is amazing still

[wheat jay]

Amazing and fury dont go well together cuz its a spec for retards

[opaque whale]

Hahha

Yes

[wheat jay]

But its amazingly strong

[opaque whale]

I should go play frost dk

[spice hornet]

arms really does feel C tier if ur not running turbo...

[wheat jay]

Cuz you can't facetank damage anymore

Noone can really

There is not a single spec in the game that can facetank demo+ele

No matter what walls are used

[opaque whale]

Prot pally bm ele

[wheat jay]

Well, cuz of immunties and grounding xD

[opaque whale]

I queued into a glad team of that when practicing in skirms with my team

Was awful

It was my first time practicing arms

[warped warren]

dont talk then 😹

[wheat jay]

Why not

I play what I enjoy

And im laughing at people crying how boring fury is while theyre still playing it

[warped warren]

i dont play it

[wheat jay]

I know

[warped warren]

and i say its super cringe

[wheat jay]

Am I laughing at you?

[warped warren]

[wheat jay]

[opaque whale]

I wish frost dk was the best dk spec

[sage raptor]

You mean battlemage?

[wheat jay]

Frost > unholy

[opaque whale]

Bring back wod legion frost dk

Shit was so fun

[wheat jay]

Unholy is wack, Frost is nice

[sage raptor]

Cringe melee frost mage

[opaque whale]

3 million alexstrasza fury in legion

Lmao

[sage raptor]

I'd rather play blood, and I do.

[wheat jay]

Alexstrasza?

[opaque whale]

Fuck mage abikity i cofnused

Whats the thing

[wheat jay]

Lmao

[opaque whale]

Other drafon

[wheat jay]

Sindragosa

[opaque whale]

Dragon

Yeaee

[wheat jay]

Or frostwyrm fury

[opaque whale]

That one

Idk

[wheat jay]

No idea how its called rn

[opaque whale]

Is alexstrasza fury an ability

I feel like thats in my head

[sage raptor]

Will be in 10.0 prolly

[opaque whale]

Lmao

Oh its a mage talent

Thats why

[wheat jay]

10.0 waiting room

All I want is hunter and warrior talent trees

And some beta invite to test them

[sage raptor]

Fuckin

Shockwave on the class tree plz

[wheat jay]

I dont think it has a place there

Unless its a choice between storm bolt and shockwave

Then it would be amazing

[sage raptor]

Well Gorfiends Grasp isn't on the dk tree (for some stupid reason), so yeah I doubt Shockwave would be on the tree.

[elder wigeon]

nah fuck you i want shockwave and stormbolt

[sage raptor]

Yeah!

I'm taking aoe blind and asphyxiation on my dk. I wanna do the same on my warr!

[opaque whale]

I really hope warriors get spear

Such a cool ability and fits the fantasy

[wheat jay]

No.

[sage raptor]

Yes

[elder wigeon]

shockwave is a 2 second stun anyways

.5 seconds longer than warstomp

[wheat jay]

It would just be 2nd interrupt if you had it both that and storm bolt

Or sb for healers and shockwave for dps

[elder wigeon]

why shouldn't we have shockwave if healers have kicks?

[wheat jay]

Cuz fuck you that's why

It would be stupid

[elder wigeon]

suck my ass we're going back to mop

[warped warren]

aoe interrupt shout

[sage raptor]

-blizzard

[undone pumice]

gorefriends grasp on my cock

[sage raptor]

Okay

I will

[wheat jay]

I swear you just want Arms to be permament god tier

Smh

[undone pumice]

of course

[warped warren]

ya what else

[lucid walrus]

grasp deez

[undone pumice]

prot s tier

[sage raptor]

Everyone wants their spec to be the best

[elder wigeon]

would be nice if it could be good outside turbo and ret war

[wheat jay]

I dunno, balanced arms

And every other spec really

Not god tier Apex predator of the ladder

[warped warren]

surely wps is good with the sp buff

[sage raptor]

I happen to have my 3 favorite specs be amazing in one season and now my internet is out so I can't play.

[elder wigeon]

I like playing boomie war, WMx, WPx

[wheat jay]

Didnt you say that if you could you'd play ret/warr exclusively?

[elder wigeon]

ret war is by far the best warrior comp yeah

[opaque whale]

Rogues should get sepsis baseline tbh

[elder wigeon]

why would I play anything else if I could

[wheat jay]

Boring mongo zug zug cleave

[elder wigeon]

but I don't know any rets anymore and all i have to play with are casters and arms doesn't do so hot with them anymore

[wheat jay]

Fair fair

[opaque whale]

Resube

Whats ur war cr

[elder wigeon]

my highest is 2580 or something

playing arms

[undone pumice]

pisslow noob

[elder wigeon]

lol

[undone pumice]

not even 3k

[elder wigeon]

sorry don't have a ret or enh to play with

[opaque whale]

Hahaha

Higher than me

[undone pumice]

blazingboost.com

[sage raptor]

Resune wouldn't play arms/mage for a Klondike bar and it shows.

[sage raptor]

Yo is that my dad?

[elder wigeon]

it's not very good rn

[opaque whale]

fury spriest is only fun caster comp

Cant stand thunder

Feels so bad

[elder wigeon]

thunder is good

well compared to most warrior + caster comps

[opaque whale]

i only played it with a shaman from ragnaros

Never agaib

[undone pumice]

shame

[opaque whale]

He didnt use one healing surge

[sage raptor]

I played with a feral at the tail end of last season and he never left bear form

Even when they were attacking me

Cycloning the kill target that was at like 14% health

I just said "well I had fun bye" and bounced.

[opaque whale]

As long as you dont play with a girl

It will be okay

[wheat jay]

What if you do play with a girl

[sage raptor]

Uh oh

I exclusive play with a girl

[sage raptor]

Am I gonna die?

She's also my healer

And mage

[wheat jay]

Priest main?

[sage raptor]

Hpal

Played it since wrath

[wheat jay]

Fair fair

[sage raptor]

She doesn't want to play druid/shaman because "none of the races are pretty"

And this bitch carried me to glad lmaoo

[opaque whale]

You’re lucky

Ive been doing rbgs

And everytime theres a girl she does somethjng so fucked

guardian druid losing a 1v1 to a rogue when she had all her cds

[sage raptor]

Yeah ngl I feel like I have the only female that can heal in every content with almost every healer.

She's a damn good rdruid

But "troll feet are ugly"

I don't blame her. Trolls 💀

[wheat jay]

Troll feet are the worst

Horde has two races that look good

Belf and tauren

[opaque whale]

Orc????

[sage raptor]

Druid locked to the ugliest classes made me not want to play it.

[opaque whale]

????????

[sage raptor]

Orcs look horrid

Male and female

[opaque whale]

L

[wheat jay]

Orcs are terrible

Tho i must say

[opaque whale]

Both of toy

You

Disgusting

[wheat jay]

Male orc Has the best sprint animation in the game

Every race looks like its running away

Orc is full hunter mode

Predator on the run

[sage raptor]

They also have the best stealth imo

Orc and nelf

Tied for best stealth

[wheat jay]

Fembelf sneak is the best

[opaque whale]

Male orc for warrior

Female orc for the rest

Nuff said

[sage raptor]

They all look like they have fetal alcohol syndrome.

Especially females

[opaque whale]

Orc arms warrior chad

[sage raptor]

Undead would look so much better if blizz would let us fix the damn posture

[lucid walrus]

goblin

[sage raptor]

And give female undead bigger honkas

That one's just me tho idk

[lavish ember]

I suppose they could replace all kinds of body parts.

[sage raptor]

The option is there

Sitting there. Literally.

In a coffin

Just chillin

[wheat jay]

Boob slider for every race

[sage raptor]

Male and female

[wheat jay]

Yes

[wheat jay]

Muscle slider too

[sage raptor]

I'd make a male Tauren with the biggest boobs ever

[wheat jay]

So I can have small legs giga arms orc

[undone pumice]

cock slider

[wheat jay]

Cock slider is specialization choice

[undone pumice]

lmao

[wheat jay]

For every class

Survi big, bm smol

Balance small, feral big

[undone pumice]

arms big fury smol

[lavish ember]

Fury dual wielding.

[sage raptor]

Two PPs

[undone pumice]

fury has 2 small cock

[wheat jay]

Fury compensating

Gripping their Man boobs nips

That's their dual wielding

[sage raptor]

I want to put stickers on my female belf's faces. I want e-girls dammit!

[lavish ember]

Cat ears

[wheat jay]

Where cat ears transmog

Every game Has it

Wow sucks

[sage raptor]

No more slut mogs

[wheat jay]

Yes more slut mogs

[sage raptor]

No I mean they won't make anymore

[wheat jay]

Nah they will

They gave us normal pants this expansion

I believe in dragon slutmogs

[sage raptor]

The addition of white and gray mogs actually adds a lot.

.>

Or less, depending on how you look at it.

[opaque whale]

Arms chad

[sage raptor]

Fury chad

Only people with weak wrists hate fury

Fake gamers

[simple rock]

healing surge is trash as ele i'm not gonna lie

you have a better global 90% of the time

heals for like 8k with 25% ms

[paper heath]

So guys. Now that the fury nerfs happened, is Kyrian Arms better than any form of Fury?

[spice hornet]

No

[opaque whale]

Prot actually became the best

It got huge pvp buffs

Its weird

[paper heath]

So Necro Fury is still the better spec?

Sadge

[opaque whale]

Yeah but play arms anyways

Honestly you already see a lot more arms rn

People found an excuse to not play fury

And arms is still good

[paper heath]

Ye but if fury is still better

then there is no real point to go arms

[wheat jay]

sometimes people prefer fun over meta

[opaque whale]

Arms and fury is like disc and holy

One is a little better who cares

[sage raptor]

Cringe fotm rerollers

I've decided to become anti-fotm and play the worse spec in pvp

Problem is idk what that would be

A tank spec for sure

[elder wigeon]

brewmaster is the worst tank spec

[sage raptor]

Sweet thanks. I'll get right on it

[fickle forge]

Arcane

[sage raptor]

Hard disagree

[fickle forge]

There's a brewmaster monk who's swimming around R1 range rn

I know no traditional arcane mages who do that rn

[sage raptor]

I guarantee you that monk mains tanks in pvp

And besides, that doesn't matter.

Numbers a spec deal matter. Not how many got r1 with it.

[fickle forge]

So you believe as long as the numbers are lower, it's worse?

[sage raptor]

In terms of damage yes

[fickle forge]

[sage raptor]

Someone's never been one-shot by an arcane mage and it shows.

Idk what that big ball thing that they shoot is, but it hurts.

[dark sparrow]

well that would assume you have no hands and dont press a button/dont just move out of it

[sage raptor]

Ah yes

Move while ccd

Why didn't I think of that?

[fickle forge]

You can literally just dodge it

[dark sparrow]

you forgot the first part of my sentence 🙂

[fickle forge]

Walk 3 steps to the left

Dodged

[sage raptor]

At what rating do we unlock moving while CCd?

[dark sparrow]

so a brewmast is around r1 range but arcane is nowhere near, but thats irrelevant btw?

[fickle forge]

Takes 4 sec to charge the thing and then a travel time, you got 50 ways to react

[scarlet barn]

thats some dark souls shit

[scarlet barn]

2+2 equals 4

quick maf

[fickle forge]

I lowkey spammed space for roll after I had played DS3 for a bit

[scarlet barn]

Arcane bis confirmed

[fickle forge]

It can hit hard

Must be good

[scarlet barn]

Rogue cant hit that hard in one tick

must be trash

[fickle forge]

Buff outlaw?

[elder wigeon]

arcane is shit but it's also the most aids mage spec imo

chronoshift is seriously unfun

[sage raptor]

They're beyond reasoning with

It's garbo but also the most annoying, yeah.

Imo

[sage raptor]

Now that you brought up BRM, I've actually never seen one do meaningful damage in any sort of pvp this season. Let their teammates do damage and then they ToD and that's their damage.

I guess that's my strat.

[elder wigeon]

they have ridiculous cc, brewmaster does do some damage, it's somewhat meaningful because of the cc but that's about it

[sage raptor]

That's fair. I was comparing to the top specs which isn't fair considering dps and tanks are very different in pvp damage/utility wise.

Brm always dog in rbgs from my experience

[elder wigeon]

aff lock isn't very good and pretty miserable to play

especially after the demon armor nerfs

that nerf was pretty heavy handed just like dstance nerf

[sage raptor]

Shame too. That's my favorite lock spec.

[elder wigeon]

is what it is

[sage raptor]

It be like that sometimes. Hell my favorite specs are all really good in pvp and I can't even play rn. Just gotta deal with it.

[elder wigeon]

i don't play much anymore, wish I could play more though

[sage raptor]

Why don't you play more?

[elder wigeon]

need teammates for that and a will to play lol

the game isn't very fun for me right now

[sage raptor]

Tbh I agree. I'm enjoying my little break. I climbed the ladder as unholy and I didn't have that much fun. Same with outlaw and fury. Idk what it is but it's just not fun anymore.

[elder wigeon]

for me it's the borrowed power, mobility creep and how insane the damage is

[sage raptor]

I found out one of my friends plays demo and he's coming back from a break. Problem is he doesn't even have ZM unlocked. Maybe I'll see what this demo/unholy cheese is about.

[elder wigeon]

the damage and healing is far too high, it's damp as fuck and boring so long everything is perfectly traded, the excessive use of weakauras allowing people to automate their trading scripts

[fickle forge]

That's been all of SL though Res

[elder wigeon]

it's fine for a while but it gets old

[fickle forge]

After 1.5 year? 👀

[sage raptor]

I think it's fine for a season personally.

Like a season gimmick or whatever idk

[elder wigeon]

I wish weakauras were disabled in arena but that's not going to happen I don't think

[sage raptor]

That'd be a good start tbh

[elder wigeon]

better visual and audio design would fix the need for weakauras

as well as better game mechanics

[fickle forge]

There are other addons that feed you the same info

[sage raptor]

Offensive CDs not being so strong would be nice too.

[elder wigeon]

but also the excessive borrowed power is part of the problem too

[fickle forge]

Did you play BFA Res?

[elder wigeon]

whether it's a weakaura or some other addon doing the same thing, they need to be disabled

no i quit a few weeks into bfa because they were nerfing warrior and I didn't have anyone to play with outside LFG so I got out while I was ahead

[quasi lotus]

I mean if they did this to a competent degree they would both remove the need for weakaura's and also make the game more "esport" friendly which they always fail to push

(disclaimer: wow "esports" will always be a meme)

[fickle forge]

I can understand why you say the borrowed power is excessive now then

[undone pumice]

good choice i started playing retail in bfa

[elder wigeon]

borrowed power and modifiers I should say then I guess

[undone pumice]

borrowed power was a lot worse in bfa will not lie

[elder wigeon]

like tracking SCK procs and bonedust procs and keefers and destro lock stacks and just shit like that man

it's not fun it's necessary otherwise you just lose to "one shot mechanics"

[fickle forge]

Borrowed power feels like a lower prio issue to me rn, considering I no longer have my dmg profile be gushing wound, lash of the void and reaping flames on 50% of melees

[undone pumice]

hey remember infinite stars and gushing wounds

hey remember corruptions in general

hey remember farming essences for montha

[sage raptor]

I liked corruptions more because everyone had the chance to have the same corruptions.

[fickle forge]

Play DH? Enh? Rogue?
Doesn't matter, everyone used the same damage sources

[elder wigeon]

I think you get my point though

[scarlet barn]

Took some time
First it was RNG

And also, some classes benefit from it more

than others

😴

[elder wigeon]

I shouldn't need 60 weakauras to pay attention to the game because i'm so fucking fried by 1 shot mechanics in pvp because you didn't see a buff the size of 25 pixels on their unit frame and it having no audio or visual que

[fickle forge]

Was fun to have 75% versa for a while

[undone pumice]

was fun to get ccd in my corruption proc and fucking die to nothing the enemies did

[sage raptor]

Yeah for sure. Acquisition was garbage and it wasn't a great system by no means. But I think it's better when every spec has access to the same stuff yknow?

[fickle forge]

No thx

[scarlet barn]

WE all have access to everything now

is it better?

[fickle forge]

Why am I picking a class if I get the same stuff as that guy over there picking another class?

[quasi lotus]

not only this but anyone learning has literally no fucking idea what happened to them. Visually they just see SCK for ex and presume hey the spin kick killed me but then they get a non-modified SCK do minimal damage which confuses them further

[lucid walrus]

some benefitted far more than others too. boring system that kills class identity

[undone pumice]

love when i got snared by enemy, then a faceless one from beyond starting spriting at mount speed toward me and i got slowed fkr 99

damn fuck i love corruptions

[sage raptor]

The system wasn't about class identity though.

[lucid walrus]

clearly

[sage raptor]

Lol yeah

[elder wigeon]

that's why the game is so fried, there's so many conditions to every spec that determines the vast effectiveness of so many abilities, nothing is consistent

[undone pumice]

agree

[lucid walrus]

equalizing damage profiles with something like gushing is a surefire way to make a boring meta

[elder wigeon]

sure crits are rng and that's fine but that's very far from the problem, the problem is, a zero modifier crit execute is like 15-16k, with every modifier in the game, you're looking at 40K+, why the fuck is it like that? it's so fried

[fickle forge]

I mean tbf

Arms just has a lot of modifiers baseline

[elder wigeon]

it shouldn't be like that

[fickle forge]

Most classes don't

[undone pumice]

imo a classes burst should be 1 modifier at most

[lucid walrus]

ineff hpal, void ritual destro, gush dh/sin

[quasi lotus]

big simple modifiers are fine and easy to learn for beginners. Multiple stacking modifiers confuses everyone

[lucid walrus]

many such cases!

[elder wigeon]

most classes do though

either through borrowed power or class design

[fickle forge]

Yeah? Not through class design though

[undone pumice]

idk

class design also sharts a bunch of modifiers out

[scarlet barn]

Fun fact: fury doesnt have baseline dmg modifier CD

👀

[undone pumice]

thats just wronf btw

[elder wigeon]

yes and no

[lucid walrus]

no cd but it has mastery

[undone pumice]

it modifies ur crits

[scarlet barn]

Every class has mastery

Gottem

[sage raptor]

Yeah they do. It's the line of crack before every arena.

[undone pumice]

so it modifies hr dmg

[lucid walrus]

ouch

[fickle forge]

So 1 modifier then

[elder wigeon]

fury is all indirect modifiers

[fickle forge]

What modifiers does enh sham have?

[quasi lotus]

There should just be less modifiers and they should be more visual

[elder wigeon]

maelstrom

[quasi lotus]

and less WA required

[undone pumice]

ye

[fickle forge]

What does sub have?

[undone pumice]

blades?

[fickle forge]

Dance and blades

[elder wigeon]

symbols

[lucid walrus]

100% immunity to tuning

[undone pumice]

emotional dmg

[lucid walrus]

buff sub rogue

[fickle forge]

Ret has 2 as well

[undone pumice]

seraphim

wing

arms has 2

[lucid walrus]

wing (singular)

[quasi lotus]

Any retard can learn that a glowing paladin hits harder than when he isn't glowing but it's a ballache trying to work out why SCK or a destro warlock killed you randomly. Just make shit simple and obvious reeee

[fickle forge]

The lock's literally on fire when he'll tear you up

I mean

[undone pumice]

gea cuz game is over u wont be getting winfs just a wing@lucid walrus

[lucid walrus]

stretch a jpeg of goku going super saiyan over a monk when he has a proc

[green sleet]

Keep an eye on stacks

[elder wigeon]

not so easy to do without a weakaura

we're complaining about the necessity of weakauras in this fried expansion

[sage raptor]

I would say that the absence of borrowed power next expac will help but I realize that wasn't the case before the power.

[elder wigeon]

well a lot of the power in dragonlands is from shadowlands

[scarlet barn]

well

[elder wigeon]

they're turning conduits into talents and legendaries into talents etc

[scarlet barn]

It wont be borrowed power

[fickle forge]

Except it's class design now

[scarlet barn]

it will be default power

[elder wigeon]

lmao

[scarlet barn]

Gottem

[fickle forge]

😎 👍

[elder wigeon]

better but doesn't change the design unfortunately

[sage raptor]

Isn't everything going to have so many modifiers next expac?

I feeling that'll be the case

[fickle forge]

Nobody can tell

[scarlet barn]

We have very little to go by

So yea hard to tell

[glass orchid]

anyone know if disarm actually reduces damage

[scarlet barn]

2 classes got talent trees so far

[glass orchid]

my mate said i shoudl disarm a mage combust

[scarlet barn]

No alpha or beta

[fickle forge]

What lol

[glass orchid]

since it applies a damage modifier

[fickle forge]

Does nothing

[scarlet barn]

nice meme

[fickle forge]

You stop weapon based attacks

-0% dmg dealt

[sage raptor]

Given what we seen with the dk tree, its possible. I didn't look at the druid tree tbh.

[glass orchid]

Apply Aura: Mod % Damage Taken (Arcane, Fire, Frost, Holy, Nature, Physical, Shadow)
PVP Multiplier: 1

according to wowhead

under disarm there is this effect

is what he is saying

[fickle forge]

PVP Multiplier: 1

It does nothing

[scarlet barn]

Well

it kills mage

with laughter

and lack of oxygen

[sage raptor]

And a pvp talent slot

[wheat jay]

All I want is focused Rage in arms talent tree

[fickle forge]

In the end though, modifiers, WAs and borrowed power, it all comes down to

[lucid walrus]

throwdown and i’m happy

[fickle forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/732611912126431304/789949947729805373/unknown.png

[sage raptor]

And secondwind

[elder wigeon]

bruh

[elder wigeon]

don't post that cringe shit

[sage raptor]

Your Honor you don't understand

He simply trash and should delete the game

[scarlet barn]

🤔

[wheat jay]

You say its cringe cuz you're on right end of it

Not the left

[fickle forge]

You know I will lol

[elder wigeon]

what are you even saying

[fickle forge]

Whether you like it or not, your best option to deal with the meta is to improve

On a general level

[sage raptor]

Uhm acktually it's reroll to rmp

[fickle forge]

😎 👍

[elder wigeon]

ah yes the cope + L + seethe + ratio response to any complaint about how bad the design is

[fickle forge]

You can dislike the game fam

[fickle forge]

But if you wanna win, that's what you do lol

[elder wigeon]

we're not even talking about winning lmao

just a conversation about WA, game design and the problems with the game

[scarlet barn]

yea
Like that guy that gender swapped and won Female swimming competition

All about getting right tools

[fickle forge]

I'm not saying you're wrong either?

[scarlet barn]

am i Right

[elder wigeon]

it just seems troll

[sage raptor]

The rmp of sports

[scarlet barn]

Game design they can work on

Removing WA

[undone pumice]

the double outlaw hpriest of swimming

[scarlet barn]

is prob not possible

[wheat jay]

Limiting is

To simple buff debuff trackers

And some ui elements

[scarlet barn]

Thats a bold claim

[sage raptor]

I can't wait for outlaw to get shadowstep next expac

[scarlet barn]

But you know how these things go

[wheat jay]

Yep

[undone pumice]

outlaw gets execute next expac

[fickle forge]

If this is the strat you guys wanna do, then you drop Disarm and pick up Duel

[scarlet barn]

WA would need to made excvlusively by Blizz

or completely forbidden

[sage raptor]

It went this far to be a warrior, might as well go through last mile.

[lucid walrus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/925855860557746267/982254069018140692/kurdupelek.gif

[wheat jay]

Blizz will just block X element of addons if its fucks up their Y of content

Like autosolver on dreads

[fickle forge]

Amogus

[elder wigeon]

what in the fuck

[sage raptor]

I stole it from the degens in trueshot lodge

[scarlet barn]

Well

This is not degen discord enough

[sage raptor]

Yeah they're at an 8, this place is a 7. Almost there.

I lurk off topic

[scarlet barn]

Yea well it would seem

[scarlet barn]

Both Discords have common factor

and that is you

[sage raptor]

I see what you're saying

I decided to change nothing

Wait is that my dad?

[little lava]

after the nerfs is arms better?

[sage raptor]

Nah

You should however play arms because arms is the chad warrior spec.

[lucid walrus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/568260262688456726/983445663226400828/unknown.gif

wish this dude was still around when these gifs became a thing

[fickle forge]

Just realised that's Bruin and not Kyrianspear

[lavish ember]

🤣 what the F is that?

[sage raptor]

Off to the great rmp arena in the sky

Farewell bruin

🙏

[lavish ember]

Also who is bruin?

[fickle forge]

Ho boi

[lucid walrus]

deep lore

[fickle forge]

Bruin's the Skyhold legend

[scarlet barn]

Bruin the angry

[lavish ember]

Saw someone with that name in another discord.

[scarlet barn]

Bruin the Raging

[lucid walrus]

ndogo the furious

[fickle forge]

Ndogo The Furioud and Bruin The Outrageous

Ying and Yang

[scarlet barn]

no no

Ndogo the reroller

[lavish ember]

Ah yes. In the hunter discord asking how to kill hunters.

[scarlet barn]

Also silly

and clueless

[wheat jay]

what about Arcana the Unwise?

[sage raptor]

He did the same thing in the DK discord and I thought it was funny

[fickle forge]

Did you ever hear the tragedy of Arcana The Wise? I thought not. It’s not a story Skyhold would tell you. It’s an occupational therapist legend. Arcana was a fury warrior, so powerful and so wise he could use his narrative feel to determine what was best for the arms warriors… He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even mitigate the ones he cared about from dying. The dark side of the warrior is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful… the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his friends at Skyhold everything he knew, then they ganked him when his mitigation was down. Ironic. He could mitigate others from death, but not himself.

[lavish ember]

Even i can take on hunters and dks and I suck at pvp.

[wheat jay]

love that copypasta

[lavish ember]

All you need to do is hope they suck more then you.

[lucid walrus]

Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Bruin The Manchild? I thought not. It’s not a story the Val’kyr would tell you. It’s a Skyhold legend. Darth Bruin was a Cope Lord of the Seethe, so powerful and so wise he could use hysterics to influence #pvp to create activity… He had such a knowledge of the 1200 bracket that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying. The dark side of the Hardstuck is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful… the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his Valarjar killed him in his sleep. Ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself.

[sage raptor]

Don't worry, there are only 8 good dks in existence and only half of them play dk still.

[scarlet barn]

so simple

[sage raptor]

Lmaoo

Come back ndogo

[stuck karma]

Lol

[grand scaffold]

hi

[obsidian loom]

Waow

[scarlet barn]

Now go away

[grand scaffold]

lmao

are people still playing necro after the nerfs?

[elfin surge]

yea

[obsidian loom]

It's ok still but I might try arms too

[fickle forge]

FotMdogo is back?!?!

Mark it in the calenders, today is a great day

[grand scaffold]

😄

[undone pumice]

OMG

NDOGO

REAL NDOGO??

BRIGHTEST TIMELINE

@bruin

all we need now is bruin

[wheat jay]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/981888010897477632/991683397737001020/unknown.png

nice

[elder wigeon]

what is this nonsense

is this the lego plus the talent?

better defensive than parry on the same cd

[wheat jay]

yes

well

craven is out

1.3min cd turtle is in

47s cheetah

[elder wigeon]

[wheat jay]

and 47s cd aspect of the eagle

though one of the taletns probably won't be played

so it'll be 1.7min

[elder wigeon]

idk if it's worth it then

why not a dps lego?

[dark sparrow]

isnt it kinda shit though to pair it with talent, cause 1.3min doesnt rlly sync with anything and you lose posthaste