pvp

[nimble jasper]

generally esp on my rogue

[wet scarab]

disc is just so susceptible to cc

[nimble jasper]

i can tell if a priest is bad

in the first min

of the game

xd

wow you know how to

press fear the same time your guy presses stun

on kill target

insane skills

i want rogue sp to be better

but spriest players in this copa state

where they think their spec sucks

[wet scarab]

the thing that always fascinates me with healers is the number of them who decide when their teammates are about to die to cc the offense instead of heal

[nimble jasper]

i had an hpal in s2

cast rep in my face at 10%

while i had kick

[wet scarab]

lmao

had a game where I was about to kill this DH and his druid just gives up and decides to clone me with spell reflect up

[nimble jasper]

yeah idk

rdruid players

are especially fried

[wet scarab]

another one this shaman tries to hex with his dps at 10% and I still have trinket

[nimble jasper]

anytime i q my monk rdruid team is free win

they all just try to

trinket tranq your keefers go

ring the tranq

kill them as they’re confused for 2-3 secs

[wet scarab]

druids tranq the most random shit

[nimble jasper]

the guy just trinket tranqs 40%

good thing clones are still bursting him

as you ring his immune

[wet scarab]

they panic so hard whenever they're in a spear, both them and shamans because they don't have easy ways out, they just keep running and forget to heal

[nimble jasper]

i mean monk in general is a meme cuz of clones

i killed an assa rogue earlier this week through a 50% trinket evasion coccoon

cuz the images just went behind him to bonk

[wet scarab]

haha

[nimble jasper]

i see the mw cocoon

2 secs later

i seed a pod

[wet scarab]

the thing I love about fighting hpriests is they've given me so many kill shots with life grip

[nimble jasper]

its insane to me how after over a year

people still dont know how to properly trade

for ww keefer goes

[wet scarab]

they grip a melee or caster at like 20% health and I'm like THANK YOU charge root execute

[nimble jasper]

you cc the guy as hes trying to burst

[wet scarab]

lol tbh I'm not really sure what to do about WW

[nimble jasper]

not try to heal through it

basically have to not let him hit something for the 4-5 secs

of keefers crit

go is pretty w/e after

[wet scarab]

it's the class I least understand and it's like every 20 seconds I'm stunned or w/e

[nimble jasper]

ofc the images rsk critting for 10k per can be vile

stun go every min

fist kinda hurts now with tierset

and gives parry

[wet scarab]

lol maybe should actually play disarm

[nimble jasper]

yeah i play disarm now into wws

you can actually get away with playing a no proc playstyle

just increase fist dmg

[full quiver]

so does hpreist now

when they can do dam for 5 globals

then LoH you 2x

[nimble jasper]

kek

baboon of the ascended

[wet scarab]

the hpriest tier also increases cdr of those holy word spells and makes them crit higher

[full quiver]

i love this too because it happens almost every game on warrior

and they never GF

so i intim shout both for free

lol

[wet scarab]

either that or spear and cleave

so fun

[nimble jasper]

most hpriests

gfade air

its funny af

[full quiver]

i had one mald my bolt while playing ret/war

was not happy about it

lol

[wet scarab]

hpriests fade when you look in their direction

[nimble jasper]

same with dhs

and blur

[full quiver]

lol i will die on my DH

before blurring a 4pc proc

if it aint banner i aint blurrin

[nimble jasper]

but yeah monk with hit combo fist dmg conduit

[wet scarab]

I've been playing my hpriest in mythics and it's such ez mode

[nimble jasper]

you can unironically 100-0 leather classes

w/o a proc

killing dhs who blur air

[opaque whale]

Yep

[nimble jasper]

b/c idgaf about trinket dark

[wet scarab]

the other clutch kyrian arms thing is that 30% stun, I've won so many games randomly especially against fury warriors who decide to duel, they're just ahead of me in hp, then they get stunned and die for being too greedy

[nimble jasper]

know whats the best

disarming human fury players

[wet scarab]

have legit killed people with an avatar charge shockwave that way

[nimble jasper]

who panic er at 30%

and killing them

[wet scarab]

lol rip

warrior v warrior just always feels like duel to the death because the first person to leap away will probably get warbringer charged to death

[nimble jasper]

mud said it best

fury mirror

is just a slugfest

[sharp meteor]

lowest iq possible matchup

both just slamming 2 buttons into each other

until somebody blinks leaps away and dies

[full quiver]

i swear every fury i fight is complete ass in 2s

[wet scarab]

just love tilting a necro fury warrior with spear in his big opener

[full quiver]

and then i question why i'm even queueing into them

but i guess i just queue 2s to 2.1 then stop so maybe that's why lol

[wet scarab]

I dont even go after his healer just sit there and watch him bladestorm into nothing

then come hither

[nimble jasper]

every outlaw in 2s

i question

wtf they’re doing

[full quiver]

lol

[nimble jasper]

doing 2-3x the guy’s dmg

[full quiver]

i'm 100% sure i could level a rogue send it boxes

[nimble jasper]

in a mirror

[full quiver]

and hit 2.1 in 100 games or less on outlaw in 2s

[nimble jasper]

and hes cringe playing cdr in 2s

and doing 0 pressure

all game

[full quiver]

lol

[nimble jasper]

which idk

[full quiver]

does the build change a lot in 2s

because i swear half of them don't use feint

[nimble jasper]

greenskin’s is better

in that bracket

or blunderbuss

big dam

you can prob play cdr if you actually

know how to manage mfd+ghostly strike

which 90% dont

i played orc sephuz to giga tilt a sub hpriest team

and still sustained 5k all game

[full quiver]

lol

[opaque whale]

how much haste and crit as kyrian arms?

[full quiver]

you can't really go wrong

[nimble jasper]

this is just people being bad tbh

[full quiver]

both feel good

[nimble jasper]

all it costs is the gcd

[opaque whale]

should i make my arms legendary with crit/vers if the rest of my gear is all haste cause i play fury

prob worth it

[nimble jasper]

if you play the endurance conduit that makes feint cost 3 energy

its an even bigger joke

[full quiver]

doesn't matter at all

i think most are stacking haste now

[opaque whale]

gotcha

[full quiver]

i played full crit last season

[full quiver]

yeah i figured that was probably a way to scout bad outlaws lol

i swear outlaw is free win when i'm playing survival

and auto loss when playing fury

probably gonna be shitty on DH too i'd imagine

[nimble jasper]

you go healer

[full quiver]

yeah going hpriest as fury is aids though

[nimble jasper]

good outlaws also abuse what is called

the circle meme

of being in range of the dps

and kick range of the healer

at all times

mfd ghostly is more raw dam than gunslinger deeper if you arent playing greenskin’s

but people just lazy dont wanna deal with 2 more buttons

@sharp meteor i swear watching na rmps is so scuffed

meanwhile eu:

https://www.twitch.tv/nalaa_3/clip/DrabBombasticPepperoniBIRB-NF-m_hrZRb3TmTkh?filter=clips&range=all&sort=time

[fickle forge]

Dude I had Trimaz straight up type /macro on me and browse his shit after he did a 1.5 sec vanish+kidney on me

#NoRespect

[opaque whale]

what soulbind for kyrian arms?

[wet scarab]

lmao

when nerfs

[spice hornet]

Rmp doesn’t need nerfs because the comp takes skill

Try trading defensives better and rmp is not a problem

[wheat jay]

Trading defensives and positioning

Ye good luck positioning against a team that controls positioning

Better trading

Kidney burst

Second kidney another burst but in duel

Third kidney bombs

Fourth kidney, bursts back

[fickle forge]

Just don't be mentally weak?

[wheat jay]

Ahh ye

I forgot about the mental prowess of rogue players

[wet scarab]

have you tried killing them more?

[wheat jay]

You have to outtrade, outposition, and outmental them

[fickle forge]

Have you tried just unaliving them?

[wheat jay]

Only way to win

[wet scarab]

just execute harder bro

[fickle forge]

Have you tried asking Blizzard to remove Disarm on rogues?

[sage raptor]

Unholy dk is the nerf

[nimble jasper]

piss mmr is now infested with unholy demo

[wheat jay]

True lol

[nimble jasper]

surprised it isnt with rmp considering how disgust the comp is

[fickle forge]

Man if Dismantle was taken away again, we could beat the fuck out of rogues again

[wheat jay]

Fury, demo, ele, unholy

Nothing else

[wheat jay]

U sure about that 👀

[fickle forge]

Ret

[wheat jay]

Not at low mmr

[nimble jasper]

like im surprised rmp hasnt infested ladder

[wheat jay]

Seen more unholy than rets

[fickle forge]

Yes, cause you can fully pop and they have to trade Evas or Vanish

[wet scarab]

all the RMPs are already gladiators

[wheat jay]

Mmm actually true

[nimble jasper]

despite how broken it is if played correct

[wheat jay]

Ye theyre just super humans

[fickle forge]

We schooled the fuck out of rogues in seaso 1

[nimble jasper]

low rated rmp is actually so bad

[wheat jay]

Not boosted by broken comp at all

Is dismantle at least pvp talent?

[nimble jasper]

yes

[wheat jay]

Ok

[sage raptor]

Should've stayed outlaw

[wheat jay]

Id rather have duel removed

[sage raptor]

But NOOOoOoOO

[eager oracle]

Is arms going to see some more play after nerfs then? Debating if I need to spend 9k honor on my second wep

[wheat jay]

Shadowy duel is ass

[nimble jasper]

actually dont understand why outlaw rmp isnt more common

jts more busted than sub rmp

[wet scarab]

because it took most rogues 12 years to master RMP

[wheat jay]

Cuz its more dependant on mage dmg than sub rogue rmp

Sub can burst harder than outlaw

[fickle forge]

Cause non-R1 rogue don't know what an optimal rotation is

[nimble jasper]

yeah ig

[fickle forge]

They can only dps when they press Kidney

[nimble jasper]

sub stomps noobs harder

[wheat jay]

And most mages cant do dmg

[wheat jay]

Exactly that

[nimble jasper]

also wdym cheap kyrian evis

[wet scarab]

outlaw will take over RMP in 14.0 at the current rate of rogue player mental evolution

[nimble jasper]

very complex rotation

[fickle forge]

RMP sub-2.7k usually have pretty poor sustained

[wheat jay]

Yep

[nimble jasper]

idk outlaw sustained

is pretty solid

[wheat jay]

Cuz mages suck dick there

[nimble jasper]

low rated mages are useless idk

[wheat jay]

Ye

[nimble jasper]

then awc mages do top dam overall

???

[wheat jay]

But they still dont die

[fickle forge]

Ye

[wheat jay]

Cuz their kit is making them immortal

[nimble jasper]

prob why whenever I’ve done

[fickle forge]

Actual good RMPs also have good sustained at the end of the match

[nimble jasper]

an outlaw 2s mirror im like

[fickle forge]

Rest of them know how to type /pull 3

[nimble jasper]

2x the dam of the other outlaw

[wheat jay]

I had the same compared to other survi in 2s lol

[nimble jasper]

sometimes 3x

[wheat jay]

Low rated people cant even do dmg properly

[nimble jasper]

cuz guy is cringe

and cant play without cdr

[wheat jay]

At higher rating pressure is King

[nimble jasper]

meanwhile fuck it

[fickle forge]

You want me to whip out your fury games?

[nimble jasper]

play greenskins resonator

[fickle forge]

[wheat jay]

Cuz im low rated fury player

[fickle forge]

😎 👍

[nimble jasper]

big send almost kill his priest in opener

[wheat jay]

Lets get some arms 👀

Jk not this expansion

Lumberjack in Dragonflight tho

[nimble jasper]

i swear

outlaw bm thug

[wheat jay]

Got my flannel ready

[nimble jasper]

[fickle forge]

Plan's still to play lumberjack cleave in lumberjack Tmogs? @wheat jay

[wheat jay]

Lmao yes

Even if its just for memes

[fickle forge]

Gottem

[wheat jay]

I'm down to play it

[opaque whale]

As arms do i ever use slam

prob not

[nimble jasper]

i still miss

playing rogue sp

and ripping every shitty rmp

in 2

[wheat jay]

If you have nothing else to press

Which is not that often

[wheat jay]

Or turbo

If you like sham in 10.0

And its good

Would be fun too i think

Warr stays belf tho

[nimble jasper]

altho bicmex does play

outlaw thug ig

[wheat jay]

Ye cuz he's playing thug every season

And plays with one rogue, so whichever spec the rogue plays, that's what they play

[nimble jasper]

yeah rat is just

on perma mald

all day

[wheat jay]

He is xD

Man's fucking tilted 24/7

Born mad

[trail star]

How dead is fury after the nerf? Playing turbo atm, thinking of switching to KyrianFury or even KyrianArms...

[opaque whale]

whats arms warrior burst opener

[wheat jay]

@fickle forge it actually happened

Holy fuck

[full quiver]

who

[wheat jay]

Rat

Have you ever watched bicmex play 2s or 3s with him?

He's the rogue

Man's on eternal tilt

[full quiver]

oh

[wheat jay]

And unironically, he seems kinda fun to play with xD

[full quiver]

didn't watch mutch of that tbh

only watched some healer/survival 2s

to get an idea of how to play

[wheat jay]

Saw you had like 2200cr or sth

Gz

[full quiver]

yeah we were going for 2.4

then i got side tracked by guardian druid

and now dh

so haven't played for a few days again lmao

[wheat jay]

Lol

I cba going for Elite

I dont like this season

At the start it was kinda fine, cuz everyone got some gear, some 4set spike was big but still manageble

But now everyone is 4set, full gear, double leggo

And meta shaped up

And its so fucking stupid

Damage is too high

Burst is fucking unreal

There's so many retarded things like outlaw, demo lock, fury, even ret

Like, I was even fine with sub hpriest in 2s

[full quiver]

i love doing 2s on survival with my boy

because we're chill and just fuck around

[wheat jay]

Full brain gameplay

Misplay one thing and you lose

[full quiver]

i just have super bad ADD

lol

[wheat jay]

But outlaw feels like i'm playing agaisnt cheaters

[full quiver]

i'm telling you man

all you have to do is play diamond ice

and split a lot

and outlaw feels super easy for me

[wheat jay]

So does fury, and after playing fury myself, that shit is cheating

Nah I still go outlaw

[full quiver]

i just constantly swap dam between healer and dps

[fickle forge]

Sheesh, what's up Artji 2.0

[full quiver]

and i feel like i auto win every game

lol

[wheat jay]

Haha

[fickle forge]

"I love 2s" - survival hunters

[full quiver]

fuck you man

i suffered through on war 2x

[wheat jay]

If a spec is fun, people like it

[full quiver]

so clapping all these retard outlaws

feels great lol

[wheat jay]

Survi is fun becuase it has shitton of tools

[full quiver]

"oh you have evasion"

diamond ice and put dam on healer

suck my dick nooblaw

[wheat jay]

Fucking dh, i struggled for a sec at some point

Cuz Id go dh only

Haha

[full quiver]

lol

[wheat jay]

So healer put him in mc on blur

[full quiver]

the guy i first played hunter wtih

had played a lot of survival

and just told me what to do

[wheat jay]

Suddenly it went to easiest shit to win against

[full quiver]

so i'm pretty decent at 2s on it

[wheat jay]

Nice

[full quiver]

gonna get my dh 2.1 this week tho

cba making new leggo for survival

all i had was craven lol

tbh i think the short cheetah pvp talent and damage leggo

[wheat jay]

Craven will still be the best

[full quiver]

is probably better vs outlaw and warrior

i don't feel like i really need craven vs them

[wheat jay]

Craven on spear tho

You kinda need

[full quiver]

yeh but no one plays that shit

lol

[wheat jay]

They will

[full quiver]

i guess if you queue into a warrior that is spear

and you don't have craven

[wheat jay]

Cuz banner gets small nerf and whiny bitches will swap

[full quiver]

you're gonna have a bad time lmao

you'd have to save your stun for the warriors spear

and have priest MC him so you can walk out i gues

would be aids

[wheat jay]

Yep

Mc from healer is bis tho haha

Oh no blur

Mc

Oh no parrye

Mc

Oh no something is happening

Mc

[full quiver]

it makes me mald

when i get mc spammed during spear go

lol

[nimble jasper]

knew a priest who said in bfa

best way to win assa priest vs dh in 2s

just kidney

and mc off the kidney

every time

[wheat jay]

Ye, cant heal and dmg is still Rolling cuz dots

[nimble jasper]

mostly just to giga damp

where the dh cant do any damage

cuz hes stuck in cc over half the game

[full quiver]

yes that's how you win as feral vs hunters

you MC off the maim

so dots can't be craven

[elder wigeon]

I mean that’s the warrior experience too

[nimble jasper]

i thought feral vs hunter

you just /afk

if the hunter has 2 braincells

[full quiver]

you can win w/ good priest

just double stun

MC off stun

[wheat jay]

By default Hunter wins

But if feral plays really well they can win

[full quiver]

you just go healer until hunter trinkets

[wheat jay]

Gotta outplay

[full quiver]

then you can 100-0 hunter

[wheat jay]

Ye pretty much lol

[elder wigeon]

A good feral is really devastating

[wheat jay]

Fucking snupy

In 2s

Had like 4 games against him

Won one

Almost won two but I didnt turtle on time

[elder wigeon]

Go kyrian for a 3rd way to hard counter bleeds

[wheat jay]

Snupy is fucking mastermind of the game

[nimble jasper]

@wheat jay https://www.twitch.tv/zxcrat/clip/MildPhilanthropicMangetoutANELE-zR295hOOPYTqv-Gq

[wheat jay]

He never fucking dies

[full quiver]

lol my first game back as hunter after covid

i queue into feral/hpriest at 2300

[elder wigeon]

There’s so few ferals in na

[full quiver]

"awesome this should be afree win"

proceed to lose LOL

then i queue into fucking resune

went like 0-3

then like 6-0

just had to warm up

[elder wigeon]

It takes a r1 hunter to give me a run for my money

[wheat jay]

Id love to play against Resune

[full quiver]

no you wouldn't

he's a pet killing lil bitch

[wheat jay]

I would

[elder wigeon]

I’m 2400 on 3 warriors as arms

[full quiver]

😆

[wheat jay]

Start of s3 or end of s2, id prolly win

[full quiver]

i wish i had the recording too

load screen went on

[wheat jay]

Now id prolly lose

Cuz fury

[nimble jasper]

you dont kill hunter pets?

[wheat jay]

And I hate fury

[full quiver]

and i was like "great if this guy is arms at this rating"

"this is gonna be aids"

[elder wigeon]

Lolol

[full quiver]

ofc i do

but when other people do it it's lame

duh

[elder wigeon]

When I connect I sweeping strikes to make your pet low when you run and I kill it :)

[wheat jay]

What do you mean run 👀

Fam im playing survi like arms

[full quiver]

yeah tbh i think kiting warrior is trolling

[wheat jay]

Who the fuck runs

[full quiver]

i swear if i just stack healer

and cleave whole time

[elder wigeon]

if you don't run you die

[full quiver]

we win trade

[wheat jay]

The only way id run is to your healer

To get cc

[elder wigeon]

you can't trade with me

[wheat jay]

I would

[full quiver]

are you sure

[elder wigeon]

you can't

[wheat jay]

Big dick

[full quiver]

i swear if you cleave healer you can

[elder wigeon]

if you go my healer I'll win the healer race especially after tuesday

[full quiver]

i've only done it into rshams

[wheat jay]

Nah I don't go healers

Im killing dps always

[elder wigeon]

yeah so you can't face tank me

[wheat jay]

I would

[full quiver]

lol

[wheat jay]

And i wouldn't die

Ez

[elder wigeon]

it's not the right thing to do, every survival hunter has to run

[wheat jay]

Okay but I don't

[full quiver]

if i had played diamond ice

the game would've been 100x easier

[elder wigeon]

even ssds has to run, he wins every time but he can't sit there and tank me

[wheat jay]

I would

[full quiver]

does ssds play diamond into you resune

[elder wigeon]

okay then you lose idk what you're trying to prove

[wheat jay]

And Kargish knows I would

[elder wigeon]

no he didn't, but last time I played into him it was season 2

[wheat jay]

Not trying to prove anything, that's just how I play survival lol

[full quiver]

gotchya

yeah i think vs arms/mw i should've just ran diamond

and gone the MW

also needed to abuse ramp a lot more

[elder wigeon]

arms was better last season than now, arms should have zero chance into any hunter but they're all brain dead until about 25/26

no offense

[full quiver]

lol

[wheat jay]

Nah that's true lol

[full quiver]

yeah i only have like 120 2s games on hunter

and i'm 2200

it's pretty easy

[nimble jasper]

i was gonna say what about outlaw but are there even high 2s outlaws on na

besides maybe nessper

[full quiver]

and like 30+ of those games i was 237 pvp ilvl lol

[wheat jay]

Man start of season was so funny

Almost every game against some top r1 players

Fucking loobee+porsea

Playing mw ww

Which they do every season to top of the ladder afaik

Pure fucking stress

And James outplaying fucking everyone

Start of the season when we pushed, no healer or dps could outplay the man

[nimble jasper]

ngl

[wheat jay]

Man was playing like he had perma CC immunity

[nimble jasper]

sometimes seeing weird as shit comps in 2s

is concerning

cuz it means real players

[full quiver]

resune was 2nd hardest war game for me

hardest was fury warrior + mirror with hpreist + ward

lol

[wheat jay]

Razbivam was a good game for me

[nimble jasper]

i ran into dinoe once in 2s scoob

and that guy

[wheat jay]

Full sweat, and I disengaged one of his spears

[full quiver]

yeah that is super aids

[nimble jasper]

can never stay still

good lord

rdruid with a brain

[sage raptor]

They either know EXACTLY wtf is going on or they're just two dudes high asf pressing w.

[nimble jasper]

cancer

[full quiver]

yeah and if he gets ignored

you are root spammed entire game

and constantly stunned

lol

[nimble jasper]

or this season

q into fury+hybrid

the fury is just a monkey holding w

and the hybrid is playing healer

[full quiver]

lol

i swear

guardian druid + fury in 2s would be ridiculous

guardian offhealing is actually really strong

[nimble jasper]

hots+kalvish

[full quiver]

rejuve swiftmend

[nimble jasper]

playing outlaw enh

[full quiver]

like a 20k heal insta

[nimble jasper]

near top of ladder

[full quiver]

sounds so cancerous lol

[nimble jasper]

ngl

not as bad

as when i had to play

gorecki+chun

in double ww 2s

back in bfa

[full quiver]

double ww even now

is annoying af on war

[nimble jasper]

depends

[full quiver]

was pretty annoying on arms

[wet scarab]

Ran into my first arcane mage of the season the other day and was just butt clench the entire game

[full quiver]

but on fury i just wanna off myself

[nimble jasper]

gore+chun is cancer

[full quiver]

lol

[nimble jasper]

thewytv+machogg

free w

[full quiver]

survival though

never queue into anything and think i'm gonna have ah ard time

lol

[wheat jay]

Good sub/hpriest

[shut tangle]

do you guys think the nerfs are going to make that big of a difference for fury?

[wheat jay]

Is hard as fuck

[full quiver]

nah sub is dumpster fire into survival

[wheat jay]

Hmm maybe it is now

Start of season it was not

[full quiver]

we do too much dam

[wheat jay]

It was the best spec into survi

[full quiver]

they can't live to get enough goes off lol

i played vs anotehr arms/mw monk

and arms died in opener

did that trap on port, stun him in middle of map trick

lol

[nimble jasper]

whos the good sub hpriest on eu

besides whaazz mehh

[opaque whale]

Is ignore pain on the gcd

for arms

[raw summit]

Off

[nimble jasper]

also @full quiver

[raw summit]

It's off for all

[nimble jasper]

i swear there isnt a single good sub hpriest on NA

[elder wigeon]

why play sub when you can be immortal and sleep at the wheel and play outlaw

[raw summit]

Cuz killing people

[nimble jasper]

barely any 2s rogues on na either

its mostly just

“rogue mage till priest gets on”

whaazz raiku rm looked straight filthy however

[nimble jasper]

kalvish does 2s interesting

dam kubzy the chad playing demo at third

its actually nuts to me

how good kubzy is at anything he plays

[wheat jay]

Love how bicmex is #2

And was #1 for some time

In like few days after playing on na xD

[spice hornet]

surv hunter who plays everyday gets top of ladder in the rogue hunter bracket

more news at 11

[wheat jay]

Nah, na just dogshit

L2p noobs

[raw summit]

Its almost like that guy is good

[lean burrow]

damn I like reading you guys

you drop precious advice in casual talk so often

[wheat jay]

[fickle forge]

@nimble jasper

Think you'll appreciate this one

[full quiver]

Probably why I feel like they're super free lol

Hit them during trap, steel trap them during trap dr and hit priest

Then swap back

Zzzzz

[wheat jay]

Bad outlaws are funny

They never expect to take dmg

So most of them just spam cds on cooldown

And they can flop rly hard xD

[sage raptor]

They rtb after stunning to set up the kill lol

[spice hornet]

just your typical outlaw fotm player check-pvp

[near delta]

I've seen so many rogues like 2600 max in 2s and 1600 max in 3s lol

[spice hornet]

ye its sad as fuck

[wet scarab]

It’s not sad imagine if the spec was so brain dead they’d get it in both brackets

Like DHs last season

[nimble jasper]

just be mediocre af at both brackets ez

idk once you go past 2.4 in 2s it becomes so sweaty

[near delta]

It's ridiculous lol

[full quiver]

warrior named fupalord queues into my brawl

runs in spears and one shots the enemy fury in first 5s

lmao

[sharp meteor]

Feral goes for clone on healer, kill them before they can trinket 🪓

[opaque whale]

Making switch to arms is painful

[sage raptor]

Playing arms is painful

[mild thunder]

Arms superiority

[elfin surge]

https://clips.twitch.tv/AbstemiousEagerRaccoonKAPOW-eovZ5AF3w_awctNc

[opaque whale]

Fury or arms for turbo tho

[sharp meteor]

I prefer Arms but Fury seems fine/good.

It kind of depends on what's queuing.

[near delta]

Lmfao

[twilit ridge]

@full quiver friend is new to 3s on rsham, we que into fury

I tell him we're gonna kill the fury with bolt disarm

Fury charges in

Disarm his go

He dies in 3 seconds

Arms only

[full quiver]

woah woah woah

ur back playing again

[full quiver]

lol

@elfin surge how much less hp do u have wit hdouble daggers

[twilit ridge]

kinda

every now and then i que some games then im gone

I dont even have the rep for unity

[elder wigeon]

more so about missing all the main stat

[full quiver]

why we not queueing dh/war

[spice hornet]

Can’t have any fun in 3s cause of dk/demo or rmp

Can’t have any fun in 2s cause of outlaw

[sharp meteor]

not a bad time to chill until next season

[spice hornet]

What have you been up to @sharp meteor

[scarlet barn]

disgrace

not only playing SMF

but rogue weapons

smh

[sharp meteor]

Tinkering around with alts. Queued my first session in a month last night.

[spice hornet]

Did you have fun

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, it's nice to shake the rust off.

[nimble jasper]

honestly as much as I want to nerf mage survivability

I feel theres a floodgate of low rated mages

who say the class is squishy atm

[lucid walrus]

saw my buddy q with a frost mage earlier who said he didn't run iceform or whatev bc "it just gets purged"

[nimble jasper]

its like

[sharp meteor]

Oh, yeah, there's plenty of those.

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, which is why generally you see people run veins.

[nimble jasper]

the most oppressive class in the hands of a good player

yet garbage in hands of a bad one

[sharp meteor]

If the team has no purges then gz ur immune to stun for half the gaame and have blink if you want that

[lucid walrus]

idk what the correct call is there but they seem to be oblivious to layering buffs

fire isn't automatically bad bc you can purge all its dam off

[nimble jasper]

like i swear mage just has

an ocean in skill

between players

of the same class

not like there arent mage players either

when mlx with resolve existed was like half the games

[spice hornet]

Just remove Caut and that ice block heal

[nimble jasper]

you know how many mages

woulda die insta

w/o caut

i feel problem is

more classes should be where mage is

power wise

then theres fury….

oh you know how to pve rotation someone?

guess you get cooldowns

[lean star]

hey so a dumb question i'm sure, but just to be clear, if i have 278 gear from pve content, and i'm only Challenger 2 (which gets to 275), that would be the better gear still, right?

or does the vers outweigh the stam/ilvl?

it's only like 3 pieces, haste/mast pieces at that

[nimble jasper]

depends how much

and slot

[lean star]

neck, chest, legs, boots, and my chest and legs are part of my set

so really neck and boots

[nimble jasper]

neck 275 vs 278 i’d still take pvp

just cuz pvp necks are so heavy on vers

[lean star]

my pve boots are crit/mast and speed fwiw

i just realized boots are the only slot i didnt get the conq version yet

but good to know for the neck, ty

no reason to step down for the tier pieces though right?

other than for the inspectors :P, might reveal i'm a filthy pve'er

[full quiver]

Copium

Fury rotation is one of the most complex

Ur small brain just can't pick up on the subtle nuances of the spec smh

[wet scarab]

I swear playing with a disc is inting

just susceptible to every single cc

just give them holy ward so they have a tiny amount of holy's cc immunity

[mystic barn]

🥴

[lucid walrus]

we were doin fine with ours

[wet scarab]

ups and downs

one of those frustrating evenings when it feels like nothing is working

[lucid walrus]

playin with a ret actually shores up a fair few problems they have

sanc, bop etc

[wet scarab]

they feel just susceptible to every go known to man

perhaps with the exception of rogues

[lucid walrus]

not once has my priest been gone in 40something games

then again the two apes running at you at 60mph probably seem like more pertinent targets anyway

[spice hornet]

I have playing with a disc all season

It is pretty painful sometimes

[lucid walrus]

they're sure not hpriests ya

[spice hornet]

Penance can truck now though

[nimble jasper]

not even about ward

gfade is nuts

and fly is good when some fury ape holding down his gas pedal at you

[spice hornet]

Yes disc very susceptible to getting mongod by two ape melee especially if you don’t have a ret

[indigo barn]

Game length can really screw over disc

[spice hornet]

sub hpriest is so busted

[full quiver]

It'll be worse tomorrow

[elder wigeon]

hpriest is getting nerfed pretty good, happy to see

but reduced range on chastise would've been pref

[sharp meteor]

That's the type of change they generally try to avoid making.

Like, functionality. Zone into pvp and your ranged ability has a 10-15 yard shorter range. Feels weird.

[elder wigeon]

do it for all content

no reason to nerf virtually every instant cc like that and not do it to chastise

[spice hornet]

i just got executed by the IQD for 35k kekw

[sharp meteor]

lmao

[woeful solstice]

fury is dumpstered isnt it

[lucid walrus]

nah

[woeful solstice]

maybe arms good now

[indigo barn]

20yrd poly wen

[sharp meteor]

Nope.

[sharp meteor]

It already is.

[woeful solstice]

20% nerf to 60% of our dmg output

idk man

thats bad

[sharp meteor]

60?

[woeful solstice]

im exaggerating but like

raging blow is big

[elder wigeon]

not raging blow

[sharp meteor]

It's crushing that's nerfed, not raging.

[woeful solstice]

crushing*

hmm

[elder wigeon]

crushing blow is 30% of your damage at most

[woeful solstice]

yeah

[lucid walrus]

17k RBs only gonna hit like a 15k ceiling now

[woeful solstice]

not sure how to feel about it all, i prefer arms tbh but im 2k right now and cannot be bothered to relearn arms in the current meta

[lucid walrus]

so sad i am weeping and howling

[sharp meteor]

My distribution has looked kind of sus lately.

[woeful solstice]

hmm

[sage raptor]

Literally crying in the club rn over these fury nerfs

[sharp meteor]

So the conq nerf is like 5% dmg, which sucks, and obviously carries over to teammates as well but w/e

I'm sad that crushing procs from tier won't be as lethal

[sharp meteor]

Arms does require a bit more finesse in doing damage as fried as that sounds

[woeful solstice]

already seeing a lot more arms in lfg

i do prefer it tbh

bit more fun and calculated

[sharp meteor]

People trying to reroll each patch to push rival

[woeful solstice]

ahaha right

[void pulsar]

With the nerfs fury still gonna be viable?

[indigo barn]

Can we pin that fury is viable?

[elder wigeon]

fury will still be good but your burst will take a good hit, consistent dmg will still be pretty high

deserved nerf

fury is really annoying

and completely brain dead

[sharp meteor]

🤠

[mystic barn]

lol

[void pulsar]

I figured it would be

[sage raptor]

No. Fury will be dumpster tier.

Play arms

[sharp meteor]

I'm dreading unholy/demo/havoc.

[sage raptor]

I'm just dreading havoc

Not even dreading. Just getting prepared to be annoyed that the class exists.

[lavish ember]

DH any good at all?

[undone pumice]

dark harvest kinda bad u cant proc

[sharp meteor]

Havoc is quite good, yes.

[full kiln]

:- (

[indigo barn]

Nuttiest cleave outside of frost mage in CDs

[warped warren]

stop making fun of my 5 year goal

[wet scarab]

I just lost a game to a DH who somehow did 4x my damage in the first 45 seconds of the game

I think I actually hate the game and don't know why I keep queuing

[lucid walrus]

i wish i only thought i hated wow

[sharp meteor]

We love proccing demons in opener then having fel rush crit.

[sly wasp]

Is there a way to make a macro that would bloodthirst if your not feared but if you were feared it would berserker rage?

[wet scarab]

genuinely think I'm done with the expansion after tonight

[sly wasp]

broke my hand trying to reduce my keybinds lol

[indigo barn]

Went against a DH/feral in 3s and we died in 3 seconds through defensives and GS

I don't know how DH has gone this long without a good look at felrush or deathsweep

[wet scarab]

I dont even really know what I'm dying to half the time with all the legendaries and tier bonuses and conduits and whatever the fuck

[indigo barn]

That too

[sharp meteor]

ya have that all the time

partner and i swap off defensive/hot at the same time

[indigo barn]

There's like 3 different builds for dh

[sharp meteor]

just randomly kill somebody with hot hand and reck proc from 70% in 2 globals

it's like oh

or force big cd so then they die next conq/reck or whatever

[indigo barn]

Many warriors do seem to hit wall when it comes off CD a lot

[warped warren]

sounds like a u issue

[mortal elm]

How do you cap the rated honor

for the vault?

[elder wigeon]

rated pvp

[mortal elm]

oh yeah i know

2v, 3v or rbgs are better for capping

[elder wigeon]

rbgs

by far

[thick reef]

Rbgs the best

[vernal plank]

3s better than 2s tho if you cbf rbg

[elfin surge]

warrior is dead

[frank knoll]

Locks cried so hard about nerfs that they delayed them until season 4

[lucid walrus]

locks will constantly sob over their class being anything shy of S while perpetrating the least fun metas ever

[wheat jay]

not rly just locks

[lucid walrus]

also vehement melee haters

[wheat jay]

whole competitive pve scene

[raw summit]

lock was S+ in m+

🙃

is

nothing changed

[wheat jay]

delayed because of global mdi finals

[frank knoll]

Yeah I play boomy in m+

It’s hard being anything but lock as a ranged caster

Rn

[lucid walrus]

sp’s tough it out a lot of the time it seems

[raw summit]

im playing ele shami and having fun but its still a rat alt so the dam isnt there yet compared to wari

[lucid walrus]

when’s the last time they were good in m+

[raw summit]

were they ever

fr tho they seem okayy

[lucid walrus]

i have no clue

[raw summit]

but you cannot compete with lock

[wheat jay]

who, boomies, or?

[raw summit]

sp

[lucid walrus]

sp yeah

[wheat jay]

iirc bfa

[frank knoll]

Boomy? Last season but they got nerfed a bunch

[lucid walrus]

venth boomy was absurd ik that much

[frank knoll]

They’re still decent but Destro makes everything look like d teir

Saw a 250 ilvl Destro finish with 13k overall by just pressing rain of fire and infernal

[wheat jay]

low

[raw summit]

our destro reliably cranks mid to high 20s

[frank knoll]

I never see SP in keys seems a bit underrepresented

[raw summit]

but then there sjele

with a 40+k overall in halls

[elfin surge]

👀

[frank knoll]

For 250 ilvl with no tier of double leggo that’s not bad

[raw summit]

no tier is the big one there

[wheat jay]

either way, pvp minigame, pve true content

so they get better treatment

it makes sense too

[frank knoll]

Honestly Kyrian arcane mage is sleeper in keys I’ve seen like over 100k burst AoE every 1.5 mins

[raw summit]

+30 dos

[undone pumice]

@wheat jay ur family is located in my basement

[raw summit]

ah lassan renamed

[undone pumice]

perhaps

[wheat jay]

ok, feed them well

[elder wigeon]

I honestly don't see why they like to create metas like this and can't bring everything up to be equal, surely it can't be that difficult

[undone pumice]

i feed them ur old hunter pets

[wheat jay]

good

i dont need them anymore

[raw summit]

its 36 specs thats tricky

[frank knoll]

As much of a bitter clinger to specs I actually like. I’m starting to get to the point where I feel there’s no point in not playing FOTM

[raw summit]

but you can find a better time to nerf stuff

like once a month ish

[wheat jay]

because there is no point

[raw summit]

i just play keys where its fine im a war (capped at 24 rn but i dont rlly push)

[wheat jay]

but then again

if you're not pushing for top spots

it doesn't matter if you play meta or not lol

[frank knoll]

That’s why I took a break from PvP, I don’t wanna play fury or rogue mage

[wheat jay]

up to like +24 you can have shit dps, you need mechanics

[raw summit]

unless title is like 3600 i wont get it anyways

[raw summit]

we did a 23 with a 250 2 set alt dps in it and timed

[warped warren]

ur dead, kid

[tawny musk]

How is fury? some1 with experience after the nerf 😄

[lucid walrus]

reset ain't even live yet on NA

[elfin surge]

if the meta changes to mw/demo/x comps fury might fall off but not because its bad after nerfs

[frank knoll]

I’d actually play demo if that went meta, fun spec to play now that you can’t 1 shot cheese someone anymore

[lucid walrus]

you still can

[frank knoll]

Yeah but no more 80k demon bolts

[lucid walrus]

yeah it's closer to 30k back to back ones now

[stuck karma]

Not even main locks enjoy demo

[wheat jay]

demo is disgusting

line the dmg, get spitroasted by tyrant and lock lmao

[elder wigeon]

we love demo dk and mw

[frank knoll]

I have a DF boost, may use it on a lock 😎

[wheat jay]

zero respect for fotm rollers

[elder wigeon]

what can you do when blizzard takes broad strokes with their nerfs and buffs

[wheat jay]

play better

now they should nerf more outlier specs

[elder wigeon]

that's not how it works they nerf some things hard and fast and let some things go for the whole expansion

why play a worse spec or class when you can simply swap

[wheat jay]

thats why i said they should nerf more specs now

[elder wigeon]

but they don't so don't blame the player

blame the devs

[lavish ember]

Wondering why they nerfed craven when the expansion is pretty much over.

[wheat jay]

the problem of pvp is that class balance happens once every two fucking years

cuz they're retarded

[raw summit]

Because fuck craven

[wheat jay]

craven should have been removed goiing into s2

[elder wigeon]

it is what it is

[raw summit]

Should been nerfed a year ago

[raw summit]

Yea

[wheat jay]

retardproof leggo

there's too many things that let people be retards

fury 4set, tyrant, mage blink giving 50 fucking shields

craven

abo limbs doing 15k dps or more

etc

whole hpala design

[lucid walrus]

what's egregious abt hpal rn?

genuinely couldn't tell you

[wheat jay]

not much really

its kinda balanced

i just despise its' design

LETS GO, WE'RE WINNING, HEALER IN CC, ENEMY DPS HAS NO COOLDOWNS LEFT

sike bop

sike divine hsield

sike sac

[lucid walrus]

ah yeah

[wheat jay]

sike freedom

sike suck my nuts

[lavish ember]

I hate going against prot paladin more.

[elder wigeon]

i mean I don't like the idea that every 30 seconds they have an automatic 10->100% whole team top

[wheat jay]

that's whatever, that can be tuned

but you can't tune bop

or divine shield

or sac

or freedom

[elder wigeon]

you can

bop used to pacify

[wheat jay]

oh true

that was nice

[elder wigeon]

divine shield used to reduce your damage by 50%

[wheat jay]

should be back

both of these

[elder wigeon]

there's a LOT of changes I'd make and I'm pretty sure 85% of the player base would be happy with

[lavish ember]

Maybe my memory is off but wasn't it that paladins couldn't attack back in the day with bubble on?

[raw summit]

Yes

[elder wigeon]

it's really hard to be fair to every spec but it's easier if you have a better foundation IE design

good design can be tuned, bad design can't be tuned

[lavish ember]

Rogues got 30k cc's. Not a fan of that tbh.

[wheat jay]

precisely

i like it when big cd's have some downside

like in turtle you still take dot dmg, can't attack

and is unusable in stuns

so, that's pretty fair for 3min cd imo

[lavish ember]

It's quite a pisspoor defense compared to bubble.

[wheat jay]

parry is fine too, but too short cd with the conduit

enraged regen doesn't parry but can be used in cc

so its also fine

albeit short cd is well, too short

rogue cd's should have a small thing to it, that if you use evasion, you can't use cloak for the next 30s

kinda like forberance was for paladins

cuz rogue having 100% immunity with no drawbacks is not good imo

[elder wigeon]

the problem with parry is that it's really strong into some, useless into others, it's a one size fits all defensive and you're kinda dead if there's cds and you don't have it

parry is beyond useless against this demo dk meta

[lavish ember]

You think that the nerf on evasion will actually do much against outlaws?

[elder wigeon]

no

[wheat jay]

nah, its still 30% wall

[elder wigeon]

the terrible outlaws will be more killable

[wheat jay]

im fine with some walls being stronger vs some classes

[elder wigeon]

30% wall is nothing

[wheat jay]

its quite big