pvp

[nimble jasper]

dr stuns

[full kiln]

who cares man

[nimble jasper]

etc

[full kiln]

i gotta switch to arms now

i need new legendary

and i need 291 unity

i need to farm rep

and stuff

[sand shadow]

mb we just go back to Anger Management

my CB is 8.2K average; so 6.5K w/ the 20% nerf

baseline RB is ~5.4K

no chargeroni tho

[warped warren]

charging is 90% of cb tho

[rare shell]

@full kiln remember You can refund Your legendary

[full kiln]

really?

[sand shadow]

idk, the 50%+ dam increase over RB is more than just 10% the value 😄

[wheat jay]

wasn't it 100% more dmg on crashing blow?

[sand shadow]

no, around 54%

[warped warren]

shrug

[rare shell]

Is survival actually fun spec or the only reason people play it now is because its very strong this patch? Never played hunter but melee hunt seems very interesting

[sand shadow]

its a very cool spec

[wheat jay]

fun

[mystic barn]

ah yes melee hunter

[wheat jay]

was stronger last patch too

👍

[sand shadow]

nothing melee about survival these days tho

[wheat jay]

nah, max dps is done in melee XD

[sand shadow]

like 5-9% of your dam is melee

[wheat jay]

ye

[raw summit]

Surv is very interesting and fun but also insanely strong

[rare shell]

It has a lot of dots?

[sand shadow]

ya

[wheat jay]

three dots

serpent sting, flayed shot, bomb

[sand shadow]

the dots are whats doing the dam

[rare shell]

Damn thats cool and I can mog 2h swords?

[wheat jay]

ye, pretty much

yes you can

[rare shell]

Ok thanks boys gonna make my hunt now

[sand shadow]

until you get back to back flayed shot procs and melt somebody 😄

[wheat jay]

it takes a bit longer to learn than warr tho lol

[sand shadow]

surv defo not noob friendly

[rare shell]

Thats cool i dont want to get bored quickly

[wheat jay]

;D

[full kiln]

what is going to be better after nerfs fury or arms

?

[wheat jay]

fucking hell

[sand shadow]

who knows

[wheat jay]

didn't we answer that 20 times already?

[sand shadow]

gotta play it

[rare shell]

Kyrian arms probably

But always play what You like;)

[sand shadow]

imagine if, alongside these fury nerfs, they took care of a few of the Kyrian spear abuses

[wheat jay]

fury will still be strong

fury necro will still be strong

[sand shadow]

that would've made for an interesting switch in the meta

[wheat jay]

nerfs to fury are deserved, and they are not big

[sand shadow]

the nerfs are very significant

[wheat jay]

you're gonna get 12% mastery instead of 16%

so that's fuck all

[rare shell]

Crushing blow is like main thing you spam in your burst window

[full kiln]

yes

[wheat jay]

yes, and it allows you to do fucking 20k burst

the ability is too strong

[sand shadow]

33% nerf to banner and 20% nerf to your main dmg button on a spec that is literally carried by doing dmg is certainly significant

[sharp meteor]

I mean 20k hit that also charges you, gives you 3 seconds of reck 1 out of 5 times

[rare shell]

Yee fury was def too strong but I think they should start with like 10% nerf and see how it goes

[undone peak]

is there a versa cap ?

i am 36% atm as fury

[sharp meteor]

You get like 30% from gear

[wheat jay]

33% nerf to banner is not really 33% nerf to the banner

because conduit is still there

[sharp meteor]

If you want more then go for it but Vers an shit for dmg

[wheat jay]

and it gives even more dmg

[sand shadow]

@wheat jay granted

[rare shell]

How it is that dh and assa rog are so strong and fury gets nerfed so fast

[wheat jay]

so calling it a 33% nerf is not really accurate

[sharp meteor]

Yes, it's 120 mastery or w/e, and the str conduit is still max value

No rogue nerfs is actually hilarious

[wheat jay]

because fury is stronger

[rare shell]

Yeah sure

[sharp meteor]

like I'm in physical pain from laughing reading those notes

[rare shell]

Assa rogue one shoots in 3 seconds

[sharp meteor]

Not even nf cheese but like sub or outlaw

it's just so cooked

[full kiln]

rogues have blind stun big damage disarm and dodge

and no nerf

[rare shell]

Yee rogue just overall amazing toolkit

[wheat jay]

ye

[rare shell]

With outlaw

Vanish lego

[wheat jay]

didn't they nerf vanish leggo?

and something else

[rare shell]

I can have 2 kidney and 20 sec disarm

No

[undone peak]

vanish, duel, bomb, feint short cd

[rare shell]

They nerfed pvp talent

[undone peak]

healing reduction

slow

[full kiln]

• self heal somehow

rofl

[undone peak]

and 0 nerfs xd

[full kiln]

rogue all around class

[rare shell]

Im happy that outlaw is good my fav spec in the game but cmon

[full kiln]

good rogues just 1v2

they dont need anybody

[rare shell]

And fury not my fav i like arms way more with big crits but i feel for those who love fury but it might be again trash

[nimble jasper]

assa is

the weakest of the 3

really only works at smurf mmr where people dont have hands

[near delta]

Hey man they delayed the one shot by half a second that's a massive nef

[nimble jasper]

the number of clueless apes

who play cdr outlaw

is hilarious

and do 0 dam

[fickle forge]

😎 👍

Cool spec

[raw summit]

W

[full kiln]

i hate warlocks rogues and demon hunters and monks

[shut barn]

Do u guys play disarm into rouges ?

And stormbolt

[pale minnow]

@fickle forge GG man

[sharp meteor]

Usually, yeah.

[pale minnow]

you playing arms?

[shut barn]

Not yet

Only fury

[fickle forge]

Was close dude

[shut barn]

0-1700 with lfg in 1 day now I feel weak vs assa rouges

I’m stuck

[fickle forge]

But GG

[lean leaf]

is it beneficial to take double time over storm bolt in hunter matchups?

[sharp meteor]

Uptime is usually key.

They take it to the face harder than you do.

[full kiln]

DH has bigger damage then fury?

[sharp meteor]

Much more cleave, yes.

[opaque whale]

Are the class changes on reset update tues?

[sharp meteor]

Yep.

[full quiver]

The single target on dh ans fury is pretty similar

[lavish ember]

Tuesday for NA, Wednesday for EU

[lavish ember]

What the hell is sepsis for an ability?

[nimble jasper]

amped up by 2 tierset bonuses

and a conduit

[lavish ember]

What kind of rogue does not interupt convoke when he is right at the druid and the druid isnt using the immune to cc trinket?

[raw summit]

a daring one

[lavish ember]

Btw are pvp guilds still a thing? In EU

[nimble jasper]

havent been a thing on either region

in years

[lavish ember]

You all use lfg or actually know people to pvp with?

[raw summit]

know and lfg

[lavish ember]

Hoping solo queue for rated will eventually make its way into the game.

[nimble jasper]

you find people

through lfg

and just add if good

[lavish ember]

Btw you run stun more or impending?

[nimble jasper]

depends on cpmp

double time like a true chad

also @lavish ember you realize solo queue rated would be barren of healers

cuz healers never have a shortage of games

if good

[gusty zinc]

yall think the arms set bonus is worth losing the versatility on pvp pieces?

and if so, 2 or 4 piece

[lavish ember]

I couldnt play a healer if my life depended on it.

[nimble jasper]

this season is prob one of the worst to get into it

one missed gcd

ded

[lavish ember]

Trying to get my war going but stuck right now around 1300. Hard to find people to play with.

[full quiver]

Probably not much worse at healer than you are at war lol

[lavish ember]

Meh, given how i started war about two weeks ago and played about 30 games with randoms. I'm doing alright.

[wheat jay]

Doesnt the cr gain drop a off start at 1400-1500?

[sage raptor]

1200

Not that I know from experience >.>

Or anything like that

At all

[wheat jay]

Mhmmm

I dunno, i remember it happening after 1400

[sage raptor]

You remember wrong

[wheat jay]

Well

I assume the winrate is above 50% too

[nimble jasper]

yeah usually you go up +100

till like 1400 or 1500

[lavish ember]

30 is for the wins ive had but maybe thats because there is a difference between my rating and some of the people I played with.

[wheat jay]

Sorry for call, missclicked on phone

[lavish ember]

Over 1200 rating. Under i got about 96/100.

@wheat jay no worries. 😄

[full quiver]

Lol

[lavish ember]

The whole cr and mmr is still something I dont understand.

[scarlet barn]

[full quiver]

Have you played league of legends

[lavish ember]

No I haven't.

[tough wind]

do you guys still bother to use medalion as human?

[lavish ember]

Im too old for that.

[full quiver]

Lol

Well 1300 is like bronze 5 cr

[wheat jay]

Cr is current rating

[full quiver]

Or iron or whatever it is now

[wheat jay]

Mmr is the matchmaking rating

So if you're 2k cr

But you are on a win streak

[full quiver]

So if you wanted to swap healer to get games quicker it'd be easy

[wheat jay]

Your mmr will be higher resulting in you playing agaisnt players with similar mmr

[lavish ember]

Yeah that i get. I just never understand the matchups. I've had my rating around 1k and then end up against players with 1400/1500 cr.

[wheat jay]

That's because of mmr

You had the same mmr, but different cr

[lavish ember]

So basically my wins increase my mmr and eventually I'll hit a wall and come up gainst people with a higher cr and better gear?

[wheat jay]

Mmr decides who you're going to be playing against

If you have mmr higher than cr, yes

I was at around 2100cr at the start of the season

And at 2400mmr

So I played against people that also had 2400mmr

Mmr gain is usually around 30 per win and loss is the same

While cr gain is dependant on mmr

If you win games at mmr higher than your cr, you will be rewarded with more cr

[lavish ember]

Got it. How does it work with rbgs. Cause I've been in groups this season with all under 1k and we still ended up against 1400+ group on the first go.

[wheat jay]

Same shit, mmr is depends on whole group

So its more volatile in rbgs where there's more players

I think 1400mmr is like the lowest you can get

And there's also placement games

Everyone starts at like 1600mmr

[lavish ember]

Ah ok. Ty for the info. 👍

[wheat jay]

[low sparrow]

is the inc nerf a problem or do we just switch cov and we are ok?

[wheat jay]

No need to switch anything

Fury still strong

Nerf is small

[low sparrow]

ah ok cool

[simple rock]

fury no longer an option

you must play arms

[elder wigeon]

your burst's nerf is considerable

[wheat jay]

5% mastery

That's fuck all

[elder wigeon]

losing 6% mastery from banner and 20% damage on your hardest hitting ability isn't nothing

[wheat jay]

I dunno, id say fury burst was too much

So its a good nerf

[elder wigeon]

eh arms has stronger burst if you get crits

[wheat jay]

Yes, if you highroll every single crit

Meanwhile fury didnt need that

It was just slapping disgusting burst

[elder wigeon]

but you're also made of paper so it's proper glass cannon

[wheat jay]

Whether it crit or not

Fuck no lmao

[elder wigeon]

arms is super tanky

[wheat jay]

Warriors have to look at their hp oh no

[elder wigeon]

lololol

[wheat jay]

Tragedy

[elder wigeon]

yea arms is so good everybody's playing it

tankier than fury for sure

[opaque whale]

I be losing to arms a lot

Cant lie

[gusty zinc]

ran into about 5 fury warriors in the last 2 hours

0 arms

other than myself that is 😛

[wheat jay]

Was

Thus im laughing that warriors cry cuz they suddenly need to look at their hp bar

Compared to last two seasons

[elder wigeon]

more or less i spend more than half a game behind the pillar against wizard cleaves because if I stand out I vaporize

[wheat jay]

Well, that's kinda how it should be, except they should also vaporize

Which they dont

Which is fucked up

[elder wigeon]

wizards are tankier than arms

does more dmg

[wheat jay]

Wizards tankier than anything

Cuz of few fucked up conduits

[elder wigeon]

I'm fine with having to run a lot except i better be doing way more damage to compensate

[sharp meteor]

love finally catching a mage and still being more scared of him than he is of me because he's tankier

[wheat jay]

Not even doing more dmg

[elder wigeon]

like against demo wizard cleaves I feel like i legit need a 20-30% aura dmg buff to compensate for how much time I'm behind a pillar doing actually nothing

[wheat jay]

Just enemies not healing more than actual healers lol

[sharp meteor]

also hotfix dismantle to instantly break a finger of the rogue irl if he disarms into bladestorm

[wheat jay]

Warlock i can kinda accept that he's tanky, cuz of pets, healthsones

Fucking all the other shit

[elder wigeon]

i love axe toss into coil

[wheat jay]

Mage tho

Why the fuck is mage the tankiest clsss in the game?

[elder wigeon]

idk bribery

[wheat jay]

Lol

Like legit, you need fucking fury level of burst to get ANYTHING out of mages

[near delta]

Axe toss when rogues open into fear is the best

[elder wigeon]

you need double charge warbringer leaper to stick to a mage and you're not really gonna kill them in a reasonable amount of time

[full quiver]

Lol make it disarm rogue for 10s because his arm got cut off

[wheat jay]

Yep

Had a game against arcane mage recently

Man got smashed

End of game 10k dps

[elder wigeon]

playing warrior into arcane is uninstall fuel

[opaque whale]

is haste still the best for arms

or am i gonna have 2 switch pieces

[wheat jay]

Why lol

You got infinite charges xD

He can't live that all

[indigo barn]

20% haste into full crit

Tried playing arms at 32% haste no crit

Wanted to kms

Went to 25 haste 20 crit

Things started to die

[elder wigeon]

never heard of chronoshift and spam roots and vortex from rdruid

even on my mount i can't catch an arcane mage with chrono shift

[gusty zinc]

currently playing Arms and Restro druid in 2s, what would be the best DPS to add to this comp for 3s?

excluding ret paladin

[opaque whale]

Enhance

[spice hornet]

Fighting that one kultiran arcane mage with his rdruid buddy

In 2s

I just insta leave the game

I play video games for fun

Not to fight some Gaylord who qs that specifically to counter warriors

[lucid walrus]

probably the only comp they win into as well

[tough wind]

How is resto druid in 2s with a warrior? Is hpriest the only better healer?

[spice hornet]

Pretty good

Rdruid can help you kill hpriest as well if he can vortex the fly and chain stun

But having PI feels so good

[tough wind]

Kk but I still shouldn't be dying in openers lol

[spice hornet]

I think hpal might be better than rdruid hpal lay on hands long stun freedoms and bops for disarms kidneys blinds

Idk

[tough wind]

I'm playing with a buddy and he's a good player and smart but I haven't played r druid since legion so idk how to diagnose our games yet lmao

[spice hornet]

Pushing 2s as warrior in the meta of rogue and survival@ar higher rating makes you want to uninstall

[tough wind]

Lmao we are like 1400 just gearing

I tell him to take tree form vs burst double dps but he says he shouldn't..

[mortal elm]

how do ppl players get conduits?

im confused and have 200 lvl conduits still

[tough wind]

I feel like spamming rejuv is better to keep me up lol...and impending victory feels busted vs double dps when I don't need to stun lol

[tough wind]

Once I get my pvp gear to par I'm gonna be spamming 15s for mine

[spice hornet]

+15s for 265s or do the stupid sss rep and get the item that is all 239s conduits

Or do all 20s, get elite, or all mythic bosses for 278s

[tough wind]

The dream

But my warrior will never have that much gear lol

[spice hornet]

20s for the conduits is a joke

Should’ve been like all 25s

[mortal elm]

damn sadge

[full quiver]

Lmfao

[mortal elm]

20 for the conduits is not the issue

[tough wind]

You could find a carry and target specific dungeons @mortal elm

[mortal elm]

the other requirements are

why would you need max illv conduits after you achieve one of these

[mortal elm]

nah i dont need carry, i just dont wanna do pve on that toon

while i push on another warrior

[lucid walrus]

important ones can be bought w conquest

other than that you either proactively maxed them in s2 with rift farms or tough it out

[mortal elm]

they were only 239 item level though

[lucid walrus]

scales w rank

[mortal elm]

aah

really?

thats great

[lucid walrus]

up to 265(?)

[mortal elm]

then

i didnt entered korthia in season 2

after getting flying

[lucid walrus]

don’t blame u

[raw summit]

the rift made it kinda chill

was fun for a bit

[spice hornet]

Pre nerf korthia oh my gos

God

Lost like 3 raiders when I was in a decent mythic guild at the time when the patch came out

Cause they didn’t wanna do that grind

[tough wind]

what 2 trinkets are human warriors using these days? cc reduction and dmg proc or dmg proc an don use?

[spice hornet]

yeah

but i doint advise playing human fury

getting disarmed is really painful

normally you probably wouldnt trinket a disarm to begin with but with how fast this meta is sometimes you will lose out on kills or get fkd by getting full disarmed with no way to react to it unless you get bop'd

[full quiver]

i think if someone leaves 2 solo shuffle queues

they should be banned lol

[spice hornet]

left a solo shuffle for the first time 15min ago

prot paladin vs. prot paladin

[rare shell]

I just lost againts resto shaman + guardian druid in 2s, this guardian totaly destroyed my druid healer did like over 400k in 1 minute, how is this possible

[spice hornet]

their leggo and4set can do a lot of dmg still despite the nerf

[lucid walrus]

worst part is their bark(?) gives incarn

[rare shell]

That wasnt a lot of damage that was crazy xd

[lucid walrus]

which i believe interacts w/ sleeper if they run it

[rare shell]

I tried to fear, stormbolt, unstoppable

Btw any way to stop priests fade?

[lucid walrus]

no

nothing stops fade except priest using an offensive global

[rare shell]

Ok thanks

[elfin surge]

I got 2 elite daggers

time to make dagger fury work

[lucid walrus]

most agile warrior NA

[indigo barn]

Caster pushback

Nevercast

[sage raptor]

So do all DHs in RBGs have the IQ of an apple?

Leaping and dashing and then complaining they're not getting healed while carrying the flag.

[indigo barn]

They still think it's legion

[sage raptor]

I believe it

[indigo barn]

Last resort not resetting on death

[spice hornet]

crazy how many uh/demo there are now

even at like 1700 mmr in 3s

[indigo barn]

If you meld a tyrant, does it fully change targets or swaps back when you break meld?

[sage raptor]

It changes

It could switch back if it felt like it though so be careful.

[full quiver]

I melded resonator

[indigo barn]

Huge

[indigo barn]

Meld swap it onto healer, healer puts it at los

[spice hornet]

playing night elf warrior

🤔

[vernal plank]

not playing night elf mohawk

🤔

[sharp meteor]

Queue into kitty, think "who queues this. wonder if it's enu"

Gates open, it's enu

thinkin about how inactive next season gonna be

[vernal plank]

not gonna lie if its a 3 month season there wont be enough inflation for me to get out of dumpster ELO lmao

not a huge motivator

[sharp meteor]

ya it's a shame it isn't more consistent

2400 3s could go from like top 8k s2 to top 2500 in s4

[vernal plank]

Yeah was looking at it last week.
End of Season 2 - 2400 rating is top 3.87%, currently 2100 is top 3.08%

if you trust luduslabs data

[sharp meteor]

That sounds about right. Last season super jacked.

[lucid walrus]

what's ludus got 2.4 at

[vernal plank]

iirc <1%

talking NA btw

[sharp meteor]

2400 is roughly top 2% on NA, looks like.

There's generally a large cluster of people in the 2370-2450ish range just trying to get their wins.

[lucid walrus]

we're flat top 3% at 2313 rn

[undone pumice]

my name deez

[lucid walrus]

so yea 2 sounds right

[sharp meteor]

What is it on EU? They didn't get the bugged mmr.

[sharp meteor]

98.0 is what it's showing with my healers hpal that is 2418

[lucid walrus]

gotcha

[sharp meteor]

season prob ends in 4-6 weeks if i had a random guess

cos fourth season and expac this year

although that likely gets delayed

[lucid walrus]

i don't buy the xpac being 6 months away at all

[simple rock]

kinda missing destro meta

demo is so sleeper

[sharp meteor]

dreading queuing into demo as arms

fury in turb feels nice into demo

[elder wigeon]

qd a bunch tonight, all i saw was dk and demo comps

at 28 mmr

demo and dk comps make the game so unfun

[lucid walrus]

p much all there was at 24 mmr as well

patch is gonna suck bc of apes rerolling toons moreso than actual patch changes

[elder wigeon]

felt pretty unplayable

I'm at my limit, this game is zero fun

[lucid walrus]

it was a bad sesh for us in all fairness but the "new" knee-jerk meta seems really really boring

neither lock nor dk are fun to play into by themselves

[elder wigeon]

dk demo is really gross

[simple rock]

i've been playing my ele and the winning strat vs that is to run forever and kill the pet

try to kick purge feldom

if I stay out I just die

it's awful

[lavish ember]

Good Times in pvp, folks. 👍

Meta changing at all coming reset?

[lucid walrus]

feels like it already has

[elder wigeon]

demo/dk meta

[warped warren]

[lucid walrus]

[simple rock]

[lucid walrus]

warrior f(art) tier doodooshit

[undone pumice]

[warped warren]

d tier unplayable spec

[balmy compass]

The mirror matches must be so boring

For dk demo

[simple rock]

every lock playing demo that i've talked to say they hate demo lmao

actual meta slaves

[elder wigeon]

yeah i mean I'm playing arms

actually dog tier into demo dk

would be cool if they replaced the shadow of the colossus pvp talent with weapon chain pvp talent for 50% reduced disarms

[opaque whale]

Got to 2230 tn

Highest ive been in 2s

[spice hornet]

i was qing an alt at 1700 mmr 3s and ran into 6 different demo/uh teams

i was like come the fk on cant even have fun casually trying to learn an alt die to grippy hands and pets

[elder wigeon]

80% of my games had a dk or demo or both

[warped warren]

had a session like 3 weeks ago where like 9/10 games were dk/x

[wheat jay]

Dk and fury i presume

[sage raptor]

Dk season.

[wheat jay]

is it tho ?

[sage raptor]

Yup

[simple rock]

i'm a traitor for being happy about fury nerfs

?

[wheat jay]

i never expected to see fury being the highest rep out of all dps specs

[wheat jay]

no

since they are deserved

[simple rock]

FUCK fury

ngl

[wheat jay]

i like the change of meta once in a while

y know, 10 seasons of arms, one of fury

XD

but fury rn is a bit too much, not healthy for the game

same as like 10 other specs

[warped warren]

you dont play either tho

[wheat jay]

i do play it

and i played it before

[warped warren]

surely

[simple rock]

main issue I have with fury is that like 2 specs in the game can actually kite it properly

and you need to be sweating profusely

while doing it

[lavish ember]

You must mean paladin and dk. They are quite fast on foot.

[simple rock]

yeah definitely

[wheat jay]

what specs do you mean xD?

[sage raptor]

Unholy has chains and clawing shadows

[simple rock]

mage with pally and rog

[wheat jay]

mmmmmmmm

rogue cuz vanish xD

[simple rock]

perma evasion mainly but idk if u count that as kiting

[wheat jay]

nah

thats not kiting

[flint steeple]

Is fury done after this reset? An back to arms? I

[sage raptor]

Dk isn't fast, they just slow the target they're kiting.

[sage raptor]

Fury is fine

[fickle forge]

Man I love the ultra panic of all the FotM players

[simple rock]

dk can't do shit vs fury unless they avoid leap charge on pillar

and just pillar kite for eternity till abom

[wheat jay]

fury in shambles

[sage raptor]

It's amazing

[fickle forge]

WE LOST 4% DMG, IS FURY DEAD?!? DO I REROLL UDK NOW?!

[sage raptor]

I wish I could convince fotm rerollers the worse specs are actually the best and see how they react.

Like yeah dood. Bdk killing it rn

There's going to be a slight decline of udk. The pet is bugged.

Unresponsive

[simple rock]

lock players unironically playing demo cuz aff and destro are unplayable

game is done

[flint steeple]

What does fine mean? Give me some info

[wheat jay]

same as before but does 3% less dmg

smh

[opaque whale]

20% a huge reduction on raging blow

Crushing*

[simple rock]

you will simply be unable to kill anyone anymore

[opaque whale]

^

Basically

[warped warren]

same, meanwhile arms main gigachads just chilling

[flint steeple]

Don't play it just wanna know what I'm going to go up against in the next few months

[sage raptor]

It means it will still be good

[flint steeple]

But I'll see more Arms?

[sage raptor]

We'll see after reset

[raw summit]

Who knows now

[raw summit]

Yep

[warped warren]

i hope ppl stay fury

so ill have an easier time

)

[sage raptor]

We'll see who can actually play fury come reset.

My body is ready

[wheat jay]

i mean, those nerfs are kinda tiny

so nothing will change

xD

[sage raptor]

You look at the reactions and tell me that people dont think it's big.

If they know fury, they know it's not a big deal

[wheat jay]

ok they think its big, when in reality its not

[sage raptor]

You're not either

B)

[simple rock]

me playing fury -

me playing arms -

[sage raptor]

I miss season 2 arms

[wheat jay]

its okay

everyone misses their spec from when they were the strongest in the game ❤️

[sage raptor]

I didn't play season 1. I was a cringe pver

[wheat jay]

well

looking at the mess s3 is

[sage raptor]

Ah nah unholy and outlaw have been my spec for years.

[wheat jay]

id say pve > pvp

[sage raptor]

I actually agree

[wheat jay]

pve at least you dont need perfect balance for it to be good

meanwhile, have one outlier in pvp and the ladder turns to shit

[sage raptor]

And you don't get kicked for being the wrong race

[wheat jay]

true lol

my warrior is belf

NEVER changing that

hunter i changed to orc

cuz i didnt care too much

but warr stays belf

[lavish ember]

They are a beautiful race

[sage raptor]

I'm undead ride or die. I work to make up for that "free cr"

[lavish ember]

Though I play high elf. Racial is poo for hunters.

[sage raptor]

I had to network and get my friends to pvp because once I hit the 2100 mark. No one would take me.

[lavish ember]

People are often disappointed when you have the wrong race.

Which is kinda racist.

[sage raptor]

I agree. That's not very ToS of them.

[fickle forge]

Abomination

[lavish ember]

Exactly. Report them.

[fickle forge]

I ain't playing with anyone who isn't an orc

😎 👍

[sage raptor]

Cringe booger eating orcs

[wheat jay]

What about me?

[simple rock]

give us orc druids and orc pallies man

[wheat jay]

Am I an honorary orc or something?

[warped warren]

thats me

[warped warren]

same

[sage raptor]

I agree. I need more variety to my orc killing.

Can yall be a color besides green please? It's getting old.

And why are yall always bald?

[simple rock]

I play female orc

man orc ugly

[sage raptor]

Lady boogers

So nastyy

[fickle forge]

You're an orc

[sage raptor]

Canonically they're the stinkiest race according to male undeads

[elfin surge]

fury is dead

[wheat jay]

Was belf and my warr is belfq

[rare shell]

If for some reason i would go venthyr on arms should i go Enduring Blow or Exploiter for big mortal strikes?

[warped warren]

?

[elder wigeon]

exploiter is trash compared to enduring blow as venthyr

[warped warren]

xd

[elder wigeon]

you can extend colossus procs with condemn

[rare shell]

Ok thanks

[full quiver]

How did daggers go

[elfin surge]

havent tried it yet

i got both daggers upgraded to elite tho

🤣

[vital prism]

As fury war in pvp, do u guys usualy go for 1h or 2h ?

[elfin surge]

2hand 100%

[raw summit]

2h

[elfin surge]

1 handed fury is a meme

[vital prism]

ah ok

so thats 3.5k cp huh

3.6k*

[elfin surge]

@vital prism buy the vers/mastery maces from the vendor

[vital prism]

oh ok, thank you ❤️

[gusty zinc]

i fuckin hate hunter

[fickle forge]

Shield Block it

[gusty zinc]

lemme just do that as arms xd

[elfin surge]

can we make this a meme

[undone pumice]

bet

[fickle forge]

Yeah you can

Lol

[fickle forge]

It already is 😎 👍

[gusty zinc]

any actual advice?

[full kiln]

what stats should i aim for as arms?

[fickle forge]

It's literally viable lol

If you can't SB, Disarm or LoS him

[gusty zinc]

you cant shield block without a shield

[fickle forge]

Whip out the shield

Then get a shield

[gusty zinc]

shield block only blocks melee attacks homie

[fickle forge]

It blocks arrows too fam

[elfin surge]

@gusty zinc what spec are u

[gusty zinc]

arms

[elfin surge]

kyrian arms?

[gusty zinc]

ye

[elfin surge]

You should have tools to survive MM damage for the most part

as long as you live the opener damage they get slammed pretty hard

[gusty zinc]

what defensive do you pop into them assuming no shield

[elfin surge]

parry high, disarm their cds, ignore pain and rally if needed.

Bolt trinket or fear

[open glacier]

disarming mid rapid fire helps

[elfin surge]

like u have so much to use to not die in the opener

[open glacier]

so u cancel dmg and it enters cd

[fickle forge]

Disarm/SB is BiS

[elfin surge]

sub MM is pretty hard for a warrior tho

[open glacier]

wait do we actually use shieldblock?

[fickle forge]

No, not really

[elfin surge]

@open glacier no

[fickle forge]

But it's legit viable vs AS dmg

40% wall

😎 👍

[elfin surge]

the global to swap weapons isnt worth tbh

[gusty zinc]

wdym by parry high?

[elfin surge]

for some reason it takes a global to weapon swap in combat lol

[open glacier]

would it be worth to use jailer wep, finish its on use duration and THEN swap to a 278 2h?

[elfin surge]

use die by the sword at high health on their cds to reduce as much damage as possible

[gusty zinc]

ah ok

ty

wow terminology all new to me

[elfin surge]

tbh arms has so much to use to not die in the opener vs MM

fury can struggle with some MM comps

[gusty zinc]

wasnt in an arena

was just a BG

[elfin surge]

o

[gusty zinc]

but have always struggled vs hunter

[fickle forge]

Ah

[elfin surge]

then blame your healers

[fickle forge]

I take it you're low ilvl too then?

[full quiver]

I just leap disarm the double tap trueshot aura kyrian arrow

Then stun them of they trinket and pop my go

Or fear if playing double time

[fickle forge]

CC'ing them mid-rapid fire is the ideal play

But if they're loading up the AS, just Disarm and duck the pillar till double tap is out

GG, MM is now worthless for another minute

[thick reef]

yep lol

insane how much u can just peel mm dam with ur utility

[gusty zinc]

so how often do you swap out your pvp talents

have legit never used disarm

this has been what I run in 100% of games

[raw summit]

Disarm is big

[fickle forge]

Mistake #1

Disarm is busted

[gusty zinc]

gotcha

[fickle forge]

If you just run BGs

Swap out banner with Disarm

You'll love it

[gusty zinc]

i do arenas as well

only with my cousin rn tho, too much of a bitch to find another healer lol

should i swap out warbringer for disarm in arenas?

guess it depends on what I am fighting, probably better to have warbringer into shit like mage rogue, but disarm into holy fury

[full quiver]

I mean vs warrior healer

How often are you actually war bannering effectively lol

[sharp meteor]

use parry before health is super low

it doesn't stop magic/ranged, just melee

but u get more value off 30% dmg reduction if u use earlier

[gusty zinc]

ye

ty

[gusty zinc]

right thats my point

disarm more valuable than WB in that fight

OH you mean instead of warbringer

[full quiver]

No banner

[sharp meteor]

wb feels nicer in 3s where u just mongo send in opener and hope to catch a cc with it

[full quiver]

I would play banner into rogues, maybe WW depending on what healer I have, and hunters

But honestly if you're just starting out you're going to have a hard time knowing when to drop war banner

[warped warren]

disarm into legit any melee and also mm hunter

[full quiver]

U taking disarm into monks eto

To stop fist? Lol

[gusty zinc]

i just kind of drop banner whenever i see like a polly channel or I need move speed

[warped warren]

well no

not ww

only exception ig

[sharp meteor]

it's to assert dominance

[full quiver]

Lol

[gusty zinc]

i can lose the banner, but would love to learn how to use it properly

[full quiver]

I honestly had considered disarm on fury into WW

Because going from disarmed to fof and doing 0 dam for 11s is brutal

Forcing me to play sb smh

[full quiver]

You just need to play like 500+ games so you know when someone I'd about to start a go

Then ya pop it

[gusty zinc]

gotcha

[fickle forge]

Imagine not picking banner vs warrs to halve their disarms

[warped warren]

i know when they setup but im always hesitating for 0.001s and i dont get it off

[fickle forge]

You miss 100% of the shots you don't take

😎 👍

[full quiver]

I hate that

Half a second too late on bladestorm lol

[full quiver]

Don't need to just bladestorm it

Noob

[gusty zinc]

can you bladestorm while disarmed?

sorry for stupid questions, just learning still

how all the interactions work

[fickle forge]

Nah

But you're CC immune, so you can make other warrs throw their Disarm into it

And np fam, it's why we're here

[gusty zinc]

❤️

yeah i have seen people throw storm bolt into my bladestorm a few times

[elfin surge]

https://clips.twitch.tv/WonderfulFlaccidButterflyMau5-_8DBOyPrd-2X1XJM

[gusty zinc]

on god

thats terrifying

[sharp meteor]

We love three charges of crushing blow that constantly refund themselves

[sharp meteor]

Nah. You can bladestorm to immune the disarms, though, especially in the case of grapple because it has a travel time.

[gusty zinc]

grapple?

[raw summit]

Monk disarm

It's ranged for some reason

30y iirc

[sharp meteor]

mw/ww disarm

which goes through parry

[gusty zinc]

can u parry other disarms?

[undone pumice]

from front

[sharp meteor]

Yes, as long as you're facing them

warr can bolt disarm you because you're stunned and can't parry

rogue can step behind you to disarm

monk grapples through

mooner doesn't ever really run disarm but theirs is magic so

[warped warren]

just dispel it 🤓

[bitter wedge]

Hmm, not tested this but if you disarm a mage do they lose the amount of int the staff provides? If not they should

[warped warren]

lmao

no they dont

[bitter wedge]

hmm should be the same with monks tbh, disarming them should at least reduce their stats

[gusty zinc]

monk and feral seem hard to fight

[warped warren]

just hit feral hard

[gusty zinc]

since you cant really parry them

[warped warren]

wdym

[gusty zinc]

you cant parry feral or monk attacks can you?

[warped warren]

you can

[gusty zinc]

oh

i was lied to by another source D:<

[bitter wedge]

was it a feral?

[warped warren]

lmao

[gusty zinc]

nah a priest

btw can you parry if stunned

if still facing target

[warped warren]

you can preparry feral frenzy

[gusty zinc]

right but say i parry and then get kidney shotted

[warped warren]

no

[gusty zinc]

and rogue stays in front

ok

when hitting rogues should you save overpower for after evasion?

[warped warren]

you cant parry/block while ccd

[gusty zinc]

for during evasion I should say

[warped warren]

overpower cant be evaded

[gusty zinc]

right

so should you save overpower for when they pop evasion

or just use it before hand

[warped warren]

just use it off cd

[nimble jasper]

outlaw its sketch hitting into evasion

since any hits they dodge give them cdr on evasion

[lean burrow]

+triggers their mastery 🤓

[nimble jasper]

mastery barely matters

[lean burrow]

I stack mastery on outlaw

[nimble jasper]

yikes

[lean burrow]

mastery also triggers their tierset

🤓

[warped warren]

i just instaswap on evasion anyways

[nimble jasper]

which again triggers no matter how much mast you have

yeah bm hunter pets dont however

just keep bladeflurry active vs hunters

good chance yoy kill pet

[warped warren]

pets take less damage from aoe tho

[lean burrow]

i just like big numbers

[warped warren]

[lean burrow]

i swear, big mastery procs on outlaw feels like mortal combo on arms

not as big, but satisfying

[stable drift]

You guys switching back to arms or sticking to fury after nerf ?

[nimble jasper]

big numbers on outlaw are just

critting bte

then critting a greenskin pistol shot

[worn basin]

Warrior
The amount of Mastery granted by Conqueror’s Banner (Necrolord Ability) reduced by 33% in PvP combat.
Fury
Crushing Blow (Raging Blow from Reckless Abandon (Talent)) now deals 20% reduced damage in PvP combat.
Developers’ note: Overall Fury damage has scaled higher than we’d like in Season 3 especially with their set bonus. We are intending to bring down some of the moments of volatility while still maintaining the high consistent damage that fulfills the fantasy of a Fury Warrior.

What do you guys think of this changes?

[warped warren]

warrior dead

reroll piratemp

[full kiln]

<<leveling rogue

[warped warren]

🥰

[worn basin]

Is Kyrian a better option now? Reckless Abandon talent still better than Anger Management? What about fury in general? Maybe arms can have a comeback

[opaque whale]

We will see

[nimble jasper]

arms never left

pirate been dumb tho ye

tho the rare times ran into one on alts they’re so terrible

not very common fotm choice surprisingly

[full quiver]

you still get the % dam reduction

just not the parrying part

[nimble jasper]

unless its sub then you just get cheapshot regardless

[full quiver]

only arms i've run into was resune

damn nerd doing 2s for some reason

[warped warren]

arms

resune with the 20k games this season

🤓

[full quiver]

haha

i did some arms 2s 2 weeks ago and it felt fine

could easily get 2.1

[woven mural]

can you rally your ally through smoke bomb?

[sharp meteor]

arms never really went anywhere although i guess fury too overwhelming in pug games

[worn basin]

Yeah I'll refrase, is arms getting some more popularity now?

[nimble jasper]

arms has been good for like turbo and shit

i guess fury just dumpsters low mmr 2s

which is what alot of the playerbase does

[tough compass]

Lets see what the 1.8 hardstuck people find next to be broken and make them stuck at their rating, because surely all the other classes are just way too good lmao

[sharp meteor]

it does

everything except an okay rogue is just kind of free

[nimble jasper]

i swear tho

outlaw isnt even that common in 2s at those ratings

well i guess sub 2k players dont know how to abuse the kit it has

[sharp meteor]

queued into outlaw at like 2.3k that did like actually zero dam

just dragged the game out to like 10 minutes before his healer died to autos

dstance got nerfed because it dampened shit in s2

[opaque whale]

I kept facing fury and sub in 2s and losing yesterday

Went 1-2 against them lol

[warped warren]

nop

[full quiver]

tbh

i got dumpstered on my survival last week by a fury warrior

because he was playing fucking mirror

and his priest was playing hward lol

could not get a trap on them to save my life. Think my mistake was even trying to go for it

[warped warren]

yep

[nimble jasper]

every time I’d do an outlaw mirror

[sharp meteor]

yep

just max range los pve at that point

[nimble jasper]

would do 2-3x the other guy’s dam

[sharp meteor]

trapping inefficient sometimes

[nimble jasper]

swear people dont have hands

[sharp meteor]

ya

[nimble jasper]

but you know

cdr

0 dam dont matter into most teams

ig

real chad move is you play greenskin’s in that bracket

with resonator

[full quiver]

have been wondering though

[nimble jasper]

its big dam lol

[fickle forge]

Can we buff Rsham healing?

[full quiver]

if i can just stack on priest and out trade fury warrior

[nimble jasper]

like 24k pistol shots into leather classes

[full quiver]

because i cleave so mcuh ahrder

[nimble jasper]

with broadsides buff

[full quiver]

kyrian rsham healing doesn't feel bad at all

def a little under tuned vs hpriest

but hpriest is just busted lol

[nimble jasper]

i dropped a ww 100-0 in 2nd stun of the game

cuz double dispatch crit with pistol and bte crit

and resonator

[full quiver]

lol

i played an outlaw at 2200 other night

trap his priest, pop all my dam

[nimble jasper]

or the other hot meme

[full quiver]

guy is chasing me while i have cheetah up trying to get kidney off

[nimble jasper]

outlaw goes you in the mirror

[full quiver]

proc his cheat death like 100 miles away from priest

lmao

[nimble jasper]

turn on bladeflurry

pve him and his priest

cheat death as outlaw

over perma wall

[woven mural]

Thx

[nimble jasper]

i guess you can make a case for it into rogue mage

thats it really

[fickle forge]

Can my HS do more than 18k as kyrian?

[full quiver]

wat

vesper totem healing is good

just takes a few more globals than hitting serenity lmao

[fickle forge]

But can my surges do more than 18k?

[stuck karma]

No, but you roll mw and go cocoonie

[nimble jasper]

jk kill through cocoon

[fickle forge]

I swear, MW HPS is beyond insane rn

[full quiver]

Lol

Yeah range kicks rough for them tho

[opaque whale]

gotta put my arms legendary on my head casue no 291 unity :/

[warped warren]

oof

unplayable

[opaque whale]

Is it

am i throwing

[sharp meteor]

no

not rly

[elder wigeon]

It’s not ideal, you’ll lose a lot of versatility that you shouldn’t

[opaque whale]

Yeah

ill use it for now while i work on getting my unity upgrade

does disarming eye for an eye work just like disarming arms parry

or is it a different mechanic

i dont play ret not sure how it works

[elder wigeon]

No eye for an eye doesn’t require a weapon

It’s not a parry mechanic, and to parry an attack you need a weapon

[opaque whale]

okay thats waht i was wondering

[sharp meteor]

It's just 30% physical wall and hits back for a bit of dmg

makes ret kind of annoying to hit into

although usually swapping off rdruid hots anyway

[elder wigeon]

It’s like a small thorns

I’ve never thought about not hitting into it if I’m going to kill

[sharp meteor]

i feel like it's rarely up for kills

just gets traded instantly super early

oh well looking forward to more 10 minute retwarr games this season

[wet scarab]

yeah most rets just trade it at the most random moments

that and the shield that does damage when it breaks

the best example of the difference between chad arms enjoyers and fury bois is in that moment when the fury warrior pops banner reck and the arms warrior pins him in a spear and watches from a distance as he tries to bladestorm or run out of it repeatedly like an idiot

[full quiver]

looking forward to not getting hit for 30k shield of vengeances

through aegis

[wet scarab]

does it hit that hard?

[full quiver]

it can yeah

that's why the dam is being nerfed

[wet scarab]

still can't believe they didnt touch unholy

[full quiver]

i darked in a skirm at like 80% hp this weekend

got hit for 28.5k shield and a 16.5k verdict

[wet scarab]

oof

[full quiver]

same global

in dark lol

was malding

i had glimpsed the guys hoj too like a chad

[wet scarab]

I played a game against a MW and unholy DK with my disc priest friend, was extremely irritating

[full quiver]

as fury?

[wet scarab]

arms

[full quiver]

that'd be very annoying

[wet scarab]

been just playing arms for the last 2 weeks because almost all match-ups were against fury or melee healer

occasional demo matches in which I just die

[full quiver]

disc arms sounds like a terrible combo though tbh

lol

[wet scarab]

it is a lot better as fury

[full quiver]

disc in 2s is just bad

[wet scarab]

yeah he's a disc extremist refuses to play holy

[full quiver]

haha

are you just going necro and dark arch

going for 1 bangs?

[wet scarab]

it wasn't too bad though he has this like 8-9 penance bolt build that basically nails him almost every kill shot when I get cc'ed

[full quiver]

yeah the penance leggo + tier

can do a big penance

[wet scarab]

yeah it's crazy damage

[full quiver]

we've had a lot of games ended with my priest hitting 20k kyrian boons tho

lol

[wet scarab]

he's also just generally insane, we queued into this RM team where he shielded himself for speed, ran, door of shadows into their starting area and got them both of out of stealth

then life gripped me into them lol

but yeah the uh mw matchup was super annoying, leg sweep followed by their go then the DK kites for 2 mins or w/e until it's their go again

don't know what happened to DKs becoming such betas this season and running away like that

that match-up is going to be interesting after reset with MW buffs

[undone peak]

arms or fury after nerfs ?

[wet scarab]

demo lock

[sharp meteor]

play what u wanna play

[wet scarab]

the nerfs aren't that bad imo

I anyway mostly took anger management against most melee comps which is like most of the teams right now

[undone peak]

no, i play what perform better

[sharp meteor]

lol

[wet scarab]

lol then demo lock was the correct answer

[undone peak]

s1 and s2 arms

now fury

[undone peak]

probably

[nimble jasper]

pretty sure disc does less dam than holy

its just

disc does its dam

while healing

[wet scarab]

I think it has more to do with the profile of the type of people who still play disc lol

they think they are mages

just ends up doing more by virtue of their aggressive playstyle

[nimble jasper]

i mean holy can be more aggro

thats the thing lmao

[sharp meteor]

nah disc throughput and hpriest burst

[nimble jasper]

hpriest allowed to be offensice

[wet scarab]

it can be but the people who do play it are so precious lmao

[nimble jasper]

and its scary af if they know how to

[sharp meteor]

like holy dmg in rmp go is insane

similarly disc does a lot of dmg with tsg or jungle