Shaving 5-15 seconds of CDR off goes a long way.
#pvp
sharp meteor
It was weird that they just made zero Hunter changes for so long.
Rogue not getting adjustments is the weirdest thing, though.
shadow forge
wait they nerfed necro for arms too?
elder wigeon
yeah
sharp meteor
Yep? It's -33% to the mastery on conq.
which is more of a nerf to ret damage than your own
green wyvern
demo lock every game now
opaque whale
mw/unh/demo 📈
wet scarab
it's nice that with every fix they make at least one lock spec complete cancer
just have no answer to demo
warped warren
stfu )
i havent seen you play arms one game this season, super cringe fury main is what you are
elfin surge
i havent seen you play arms one game this season, super cringe fury main is what...
played it at start
noob
near delta
near delta
played it at start
Oh right 3 months ago mb
warped warren
10 yeara ago ye lmao
elder wigeon
played arms before fury was even good got it
elfin surge
haha
elder wigeon
you don't even play the game bro
undone pumice
wtf thats true
steep inlet
This patch is fucking disgusting
fickle forge
After 1.5 year, maybe I can take my feral into 2s again 👀
warped warren
its time to gear my feral 
elder wigeon
that's funny you think you can q into surv hunters even with craven nerf
old trail
262 crafted neck or 275 pvp neck?
lucid walrus
sub-30% haste feels rough on fury
old trail
kk, went haste
opaque whale
better start learning arms now i guess…
warped warren
lmeow
lean burrow
hey, if I'm human and have medallion, do I press racial first if I need to trinket stun?
warped warren
racial
fickle forge
hey, if I'm human and have medallion, do I press racial first if I need to trink...
Yes
heady olive
How you get this up, nothing happens when I click on things in reflex
wheat jay
Awc when?
elder wigeon
and dh got stronger so stupid game
vengeance = tank
I'm completely fine with the fury nerf tbh
warped warren
How you get this up, nothing happens when I click on things in reflex
hover with shift
warped warren
finally
rare shell
And it was always the easiest spec to kill for me on my rog/ww/dk
It was dead whole expansion, good for one season and boom dead again xd
heady olive
hover with shift
Ty 👌
heady olive
Necro mastery nerf, crushing blow nerf, damn boy
Hopefully, annoying to play against as healer
thick reef
Prob just gonna be kyrian then. Not so suprised we getting nerfed after months
rare shell
@heady olive well tell that to demon hunters or rogue mages
They could nerf by 10% not killing the spec totaly
I can one shoot anybody with my assa rogue, thats annoying and they are not doing anything about it
thick reef
I think the changes overall are decent. We'll see how it works out 🙂
heady olive
With assass rogue though, I can trade out cds with the burst, dh is aids but live meta and without a rsham, was easy to kite. fury just slapped none stop with 40%ms and hamstring
gusty zinc
How is the arms set bonus for pvp? Sounds kinda ass
gusty zinc
Anyone got the patch notes
gusty zinc
Oh nice
Maybe arms will see more play or a buff
Bumping this just in case: How is the arms set bonus for pvp?
full kiln
iv no idea didnt get to play arms but i guess ill have to
cuz both reck and banner nerfed
one by 33% and other by 20% xd
fluid surge
Hello! The warrior nefs thats coming how bad is it? Will it still be good or? Will we change any talents or necro to kyrian or even change 2 arms?
fluid surge
So warrior dead? 😬
fluid surge
New lego? 
full kiln
for arms
fluid surge
Arm will be go 2 spec now?
full kiln
i mean probably
fluid surge
You can just scrap your fury lego ez
elder wigeon
arms isn't magically better now that fury is nerfed
elder wigeon
conq banner nerf is on arms too
wheat jay
yes
elder wigeon
not just fury
wheat jay
and it is still a deserved nerf
full kiln
wym deserved xd
elder wigeon
meh
wheat jay
to the strongest cooldown in the game
fluid surge
I think fury will be fine, maybe openens up more to play kyrian fury?
elder wigeon
25 second cd lmao
elder wigeon
will be fun crushing bad hunters once again
wheat jay
hopefully won't come back next expansion
hunters spamming feing on cooldown REEE I CAN'T LEAVE SPEAR REEEEEE
elder wigeon
meh just bug it with disengage
full kiln
so what changes with this patch man is fury going to be viable
rare shell
Oh hunters deserver that nerf, i cant imagine playing afli lock
full kiln
or what
wheat jay
never tried
full kiln
@wheat jay
elder wigeon
you can do it with disengage
spear is just so badly designed
every class in the game can get out of it with a little practice
wheat jay
<@291636646225379328>
fury is still almost the same as before, the only change is that you don't do 25k dps in opener now
rare shell
I dont like spear too
wheat jay
only 20 XD
rare shell
Time to dust out venthyr warrior!!!!
elder wigeon
it definitely kills reckless abandon
wheat jay
does it?
elder wigeon
yeah
wheat jay
and crushing blow did what, 15% of overall dmg for warrior in pvp?
so 20% nerf to that
what, 3% overall nerf?
full kiln
is execute>blow on recklessness rotation now since its nerfed @wheat jay
rare shell
They should nerf it by a Little and then nerf it further maybe
wheat jay
is execute>blow on recklessness rotation now since its nerfed <@2916366462253793...
what?
rare shell
Look at assa rogue it can one shoot you no problems and you crying about fury being strong one patch
elder wigeon
lol
elder wigeon
there's plenty in 2's
rare shell
I dont like assa too but cmon
elder wigeon
you get farmed as a warrior
rare shell
A lot of in 2s
wheat jay
haven't seen it in a long time in 2s ngl
full kiln
2s is kinda broken tbh 3s is way more balanced feels like
elder wigeon
i was playing against double sin rogue at 2500 earlier
elder wigeon
one sits in stealth both playing vanish lego fan 1 shot build
rare shell
Sub is only really good because of mage rogue
wheat jay
2s is kinda broken tbh 3s is way more balanced feels like
always has been
fluid surge
Ye will execute be prio over crushing now?
wheat jay
blizz never balances around 2s
elder wigeon
no
full kiln
Ye will execute be prio over crushing now?
this
elder wigeon
crushing blow will still do more damage than execute as fury
full kiln
ok
rare shell
Yep
fluid surge
rare shell
Not even worthy taking that execute talent
fresh kite
Rip fury
full kiln
big nerfs but nothing changed kk
elder wigeon
well something has changed, fury is definitely not going to be as oppressive as before during cds which is fine
I'll be playing arms from now on
fresh kite
Rogues still get all their burst with all that cc
Locks and mages all that kite and burst
But wars just getting screwed
full kiln
well something has changed, fury is definitely not going to be as oppressive as ...
i dont have arms set up man im running 265 unity and stuff
rare shell
Not really wars
fresh kite
This expansion
fresh kite
What?
elder wigeon
arms should be the pvp spec imo but whatever
fresh kite
This is the first season where fury was better
elder wigeon
fury was good in wod
fresh kite
And it's so much more fun to play as
elder wigeon
no lol
rare shell
@warped warren i mean its of course really good but with mage it really shines
fluid surge
How hard is arms to learn in pvp?
full kiln
@warped warrenswitch to arms or stay fury?
warped warren
Look at assa rogue it can one shoot you no problems and you crying about fury be...
dispel sepsis or?
fresh kite
Arms is boring in pvp
elder wigeon
where the fuck are these warriors coming from that don't know how to play arms?
fresh kite
Compared to fury
warped warren
where the fuck are these warriors coming from that don't know how to play arms?
HHHAAHAH
fluid surge
I am dh main kekw
warped warren
Arms is boring in pvp
get out
fresh kite
No u
rare shell
Arms is really fun and easy to learn dont worry@fluid surge
warped warren
<@219895166054432769> i mean its of course really good but with mage it really s...
what krek are you smoking my guy
wheat jay
where the fuck are these warriors coming from that don't know how to play arms?
fotm rerollers?
fresh kite
Playing arms for years in pvp
elder wigeon
yeah i guess
wheat jay
play easiest play strongest, you know
fresh kite
Finally fury
elder wigeon
nerf fury more pls
rare shell
@warped warren i dont know what you are smoking, never heard or rogue mage easiest comp in the game?
fresh kite
Eye roll
wheat jay
still /pull 3 cleave
rare shell
Not that hard to blind healer and smoke bomb kill target
warped warren
@rare shell rogue itself is what makes rogue good
wheat jay
as rmp
warped warren
you can play sub with anything and its still insane
rare shell
Wish they buffed condemn or something, sutch a cool idea having execute above 80% but so bad in reality
warped warren
no
rare shell
Ye animation slaps but its so bad totally useless
fickle forge
where the fuck are these warriors coming from that don't know how to play arms?
Rerollers from DH, destro, DK, rogue and SPs that jumped on the bandwagon this season
bitter wedge
why would a rogue jump on the bandwagon? All three rogue specs are great atm
hushed grove
So we go back to basics (Arms)..I suppose
elder wigeon
arms is harder to play right now for sure
indigo barn
fickle forge
Sweep is busted 👀
fickle forge
Hehe eksdee
Hold on while I pop SS, Avatar, WB and then hit you
Won't take long I swear
lavish ember
I was happy fury was strong cause arms is a boring snoozefest to play.
lavish ember
It is a beautiful spec. Its fast and fun. Arms is more the slow kid of the class.
wheat jay
fury is the retarded autistic kid screeching 24/7
with two button rotation
foolproof defensive
and too much mobility
fickle forge
Showing off his katana collection and how fast he can swing em'
Fury is the virgin cardio fan, while arms is the chad bulk enjoyer
lavish ember
When arms is not in arena's they spend their time picking out their favourite crayon for dinner.
lavish ember
What's not to like about katana's?
wheat jay
then hit the gym
fickle forge
There's a lot of irony in that one
elder wigeon
arms is as fast as you can play it, you don't need to spam the same button on a .9 second gcd for it to be fast
fickle forge
I feel like you overestimate fury mains there fam
Can they even count to 9? Would ask, but prob haven't bound anything beyond RB and Rampage for 1 and 2
Gottem
obsidian loom
So are we just going back to kyrian arms?
fickle forge
Unfortunately
fickle forge
Conq banner nerf doesn't matter for the warr really
wheat jay
and the rging blow nerf is like 3% overall dmg in arena
elder wigeon
if they really wanted to fuck conq banner they could've nerfed the conduit by 33 or 50%
elder wigeon
I'm just surprised they like nerfing the covenants to the least common denominator
obsidian loom
A 33 nerf to banner is huge
elder wigeon
venthyr's been dead since season 1, kyrian got nerfed pretty good in season 1, NF's untouched because it's shit and now necro is getting touched after the rework
fickle forge
We don't care that hard for the mastery though
We care more about the conduit and the ghost wolf buff
undone pumice
venthyr fury rises from the grave
elder wigeon
the nerf to banner isn't a big deal really a few % at most
fickle forge
Nothing to do with burst
obsidian loom
How is banner nothing to do with burst lmao
fickle forge
The main damage component of conq is the +22% strength you get
undone pumice
banner mastery nerf is a ret nerf in disguise
fickle forge
Mastery is the bonus really
elder wigeon
400 mastery does equate to something like 10-15% mastery?
elder wigeon
i don't remember
elder wigeon
11.88% -> 24.7% on arms
elder wigeon
i hit a druid 47K earlier lmao
fickle forge
need every % into outlaw rogues tbh
Tbf, FlaB got cut in half
elder wigeon
was qing a bunch of arms 2's at 2.4 (wouldn't recommend btw)
fickle forge
Cursed
elder wigeon
I don't think it's a big enough nerf tbh but we'll see
undone pumice
this is u when warrior
wheat jay
happy with nerf, cuz it was deserved
elder wigeon
jesus fucking christ man
elder wigeon
so they can't double kidney anymore
lavish ember
Gonna give arms a go. I've never played it before.
wary tinsel
5 seconds would make that leggo unplayable
elder wigeon
good make it 10
wheat jay
good
raw summit
Gonna give arms a go. I've never played it before.
press mortal strike and execute
wheat jay
leggos should be SMALL bonuses
raw summit
fickle forge
Gonna give arms a go. I've never played it before.
You'll see your bench press improve, guaranteed
elder wigeon
nerf the crit damage modifier with master assassin to 125% too while we're at it
fickle forge
I like 175% tbh
wheat jay
i don't
fickle forge
I dislike conduits more
lavish ember
People running enduring blow on arms?
fickle forge
Chads run Unhinged NF
elder wigeon
lmao
fickle forge
Don't @ me
raw summit
dude unhinged necro was too funny
wary tinsel
Signet gives us a free burst cooldown every minute and a half what do you mean legos should give small bonuses lmao
raw summit
signet is a pretty cool lego
wheat jay
same as conduits
wary tinsel
So signet should be nerfed too?
wheat jay
getting permament collosus smash through rng or craven that removes everything is not good
raw summit
So signet should be nerfed too?
how would u do that
wary tinsel
Not let it proc off of bladestorm
fickle forge
dude unhinged necro was too funny
fickle forge
50k 😎 👍
elder wigeon
i will say arms feels extremely inconsistent after playing fury a lot
wheat jay
cuz its burst is rng 😄
wary tinsel
That's why I like Fury better
elder wigeon
either disgusting 50-0's semi-randomly or tickling for 5k executes
lavish ember
What is the haste % arms run with?
elder wigeon
20%
fickle forge
Have you tried just killing somebody for 66% of their HP?
wheat jay
Have you tried just killing somebody for 66% of their HP?
go nf
elder wigeon
usually that happens to me by mm hunters, rets and sub rogues
wheat jay
do eet
fickle forge
Have a game where I Exe charge some mage with 50% and pala sac on him, and he drops
Outplayed
wheat jay
33k killshot last season 
raw summit
20% haste is an extra global during CS
wheat jay
just regular 25% dmg buff from conq banner
raw summit
iirc
wary tinsel
I want to like arms because it has more utility but it doesn't have a consistent rage generator (which can leave gaps in your rotation if you are not getting focused) and your damage is a slot machine.
fickle forge
That breakpoint is meassured for 10 sec CS though no?
full quiver
I mean you don't really have gaps in your rotation
raw summit
That breakpoint is meassured for 10 sec CS though no?
yes
wheat jay
gaps not really
fickle forge
I still play 0% haste
wheat jay
but sometimes you need to run to enemy for a split second
or interrupt and move 1 yard away
fickle forge
Who needs haste when your biceps curls the enemy's rating
raw summit
gaps if u overslam ig
wheat jay
and suddenly you don't get that one bonus global
wary tinsel
I never got the hang of arms' rage management, felt clunky
undone pumice
i bicep curl myself off a cliff
fickle forge
It's just MS -> 3 GCDs -> MS -> 3 GCDs -> MS
raw summit
mortal strike is the spec icon for a reason
lavish ember
Kyrian better then necro now?
full quiver
lavish ember
For arms i should add
full quiver
This is really good for beginners too
lavish ember
Haste/vers main stats for arms?
lavish ember
Btw anyone know a good arms pvper that has some gameplay vids?
raw summit
mud
lavish ember
Not really any self heal on an arms, is there?
raw summit
ip on cd
warped warren
getting permament collosus smash through rng or craven that removes everything i...
i had a minute or so consecutive cs up on yailer not long ago
warped warren
same as tier sets
arms 4pc is so dogshit i cant even... 
paper heath
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/800090577046994964/905894764002541588/u...
What is this for?
rapid shore
best macro ever made
paper heath
But why
full quiver
helps you keep your defensive up without thinking ab out it
paper heath
Ok but wont it rage starve you?
rapid shore
something like that may happen
full quiver
rage aint do nothin if you dead
warped warren
😹
sage raptor
How hard is arms to learn in pvp?
Stupid easy.
sage raptor
Better not be. Arms sucks.
lean burrow
steel rune
Better not be. Arms sucks.
Arms is just as good as fury
sage raptor
Sure but playing as arms feels omegalul
fickle forge
Arms is Chad
lavish ember
Arms is the alpha spec. But that is like believing that astrology has an effect on who you are.
elder mulch
NF new meta
sage raptor
I unironically love nightfae. My personal favorite warrior cov
Warriors could get Shockwave in 10.0
.>
radiant rapids
wouldn't this get locks 36% wall at all times?
Technically yeah if they are able to keep it up but I think drain life is only viable for affli
lean burrow
radiant rapids
Smorc purple man
lean burrow
purple man teleports two times then dies
warped warren
Better not be. Arms sucks.
get out #fury
warped warren
Fury gets small nerfs, fotm rerollers in shambles
classic fotm players zzz
brittle wraith
What cov will fury run after the changes do y’all think?
warped warren
the arms cov
elfin surge
How you get this up, nothing happens when I click on things in reflex
hold shift
sage raptor
get out <#148898695696482305>
Make me
shadow forge
hold shift
u going back to arms? 
spice hornet
Any1 try prot for PvP? Best leggo?
sharp meteor
wouldn't this get locks 36% wall at all times?
Yep.
spice hornet
They need dat
I am scared we are gonna see the rise of double afflic
Especially with craven nerf
undone peak
what about fury kyrian since the banner nerf ?
rare shell
Kyrian is always good because of ok damage and setups every minute
sharp meteor
Kyrian is fine, and better into cleaves, I think.
near delta
i rly want r1 as fury
I thought you were an arms main 
thick reef
bro
bruin just came to sewers
tried to gank me
died to me and a friend
and then talked non stop about 2v1s LMFAO
thick reef
hes back?
YA I SHOULD LOL
i asked him lmfao
hopefully he replies he just came to sewers while i was chilling with some friensd attacked me while i was tabbed out then got mad that he got 2v1ed then talked about it and whispered all of us
warped warren
lmeow
thick reef
YAIM A RPER IN SEWERS
mortal elm
https://app.squadov.gg/share/EndosporouslyNoncoalescingAmado
was this that strong
oh my god
fickle forge
was this that strong
near delta
"If not better" Oh yeah that's the stuff
warped warren
only radiance in 4s 😹
gusty zinc
ty
sharp meteor
for total of 20.94% rounded up to 21% for the purpose of the tooltip
gusty zinc
goddamn u were quick
sage raptor
He got hit hard with the autism stick
near delta
goddamn u were quick
That's what she said
sage raptor
That's what she said
Relatable
gusty zinc
nah she didnt even know it started bruv
near delta
lmao
sage raptor
He got hit hard with the autism stick
I did too but it didn't give me autismo intelligence.
gusty zinc
also, if im going crit arms warrior, whats the minimum haste you would recommend
sage raptor
Only haste I run is any piece that can't be crit.
sage raptor
HOWEVER it may have changed since last season
sharp meteor
He got hit hard with the autism stick
Beaten within an inch of my life.
fickle forge
also, if im going crit arms warrior, whats the minimum haste you would recommend
I have 0%
opaque whale
so what lego am i grabbing for this kyrian arms meta coming up..
sharp meteor
Enduring Blows on waist in 99% of games.
fickle forge
Who says it's kyrian arms meta?
sharp meteor
Kyrian arms in turbo likely being best warr comp.
sharp meteor
Fury kind of weaksauce without RA.
Well, most Warriors aren't going to exert any pressure as anything other than Necro RA
sharp meteor
I said most Warriors
fickle forge
No, you said weaksauce 👀
sharp meteor
Okay, so, Destro was a good spec outside its ability to 1-bang
Most people are only having success with Fury now because they mash conq/reck and bang somebody through all their cds
sharp meteor
AM as Venth or Kyrian is just a much smoother damage profile that you don't really accidentally kill people with
the spec is still basic as shit but the output isn't as volatile/random
near delta
Didn't Blizo do AM fury in AWC for a while?
Smexxin has been AM all along
But he could probably get r1 with any build lol
sharp meteor
I feel like you should've finished the rep by now.
fickle forge
Meta evolves
sharp meteor
only other spot is on the helmet.
sharp meteor
I think that fury output as venth/kyrian and am is too low relative to some of the other stuff out there.
fickle forge
Just do necro AM then
sharp meteor
we will see, though, I think most people are going back arms
opaque whale
enduring blows helment and 4pc chest,shoulder,glove,legs i guess
sharp meteor
necro fury still gonna tear apart low mmr especially 2s though
warped warren
Kyrian arms in turbo likely being best warr comp.
kyrian arms wps🤓
sharp meteor
hunter players just explode in opener
opaque whale
what is it with dh at 2.2 mmr that blur before i used banner reck
in 2s
free win lol
sharp meteor
yep
get one reck proc, crushing blow a few times, they get spooked and blur
then neglect to cycle big incap stun and blur on your go and flop
warped warren
dhs just insta press blur as you reach them for w.e reason
sharp meteor
they generally get away with it if people press their cds into it
it's like when you hit a fury warr and they press enraged because they're so used to being 1-banged
opaque whale
Except blur is actually a useful defensive
sharp meteor
Bugged 80% omnidirectional dodge for a whole year 
wet scarab
Meanwhile been playing chadlord arms for the past 2 weeks or so and winning against far better melee because arms is best melee gatekeeping spec
past copper
so who's re-rolling outlaw after the fury nerfs? :v
past copper
nah it's not honestly that bad
fury needed a nerf, but i'd think lowering the 40% MS would've been a better change
wheat jay
nerfs will be barely noticeable
past copper
maybe we'll see more arms warrior
wheat jay
ye
past copper
I'd like that.. fury is fun but it is also brainded af
wheat jay
but not because its better
but because fury players are too retarded to see how small the nerfs are
lucid walrus
oh no not the button that charges, generates 1/4 of my rage bar and has a chance to hit somewhere between 10k and 20k!
lucid walrus
game over man!!
wheat jay
well
time to roll checks what's the most broken spec in the game
fury
ahaha
oh
past copper
I'm also happy about the hunter feign death nerf
lucid walrus
"fury is good for one season and they nerf it" is code for "i want to play warrior without it feeling like warrior"
wheat jay
nah
wheat jay
its code for "i want to win the game without actually trying to play it"
its not even plate dh
its plate bm
one button
done
lucid walrus
its code for "i want to win the game without actually trying to play it"
pretty much
past copper
melee plate bm :v
wheat jay
imma be real with u i will not do the math
neither will i, but its small nerf
lucid walrus
if death sentence was nerfed in s1 you'd have had people crying just as hard
wheat jay
doesn't matter that fury is melee
its got ranged level of uptime XD
nothing EVER escapes
past copper
ye crushing blow charge is too much uptime
wheat jay
i think most of the nerfs this balance patch were deserved
wheat jay
lol
frank knoll
Guys if you run double cov legendary it’s double powerful
For instance Elysian might will be 16 secs, flayed show will be 120% damage
raw summit
shouldnt work
wheat jay
nah bro
trust me
i run double cov leggo for banner man
i get 100% more value
trust me
lucid walrus
craven the cov leggo
wheat jay
110% ms man, i miss it 😦
sharp meteor
fury ms soo stronk it hurts people when they heal themselves heck
fluid surge
nerfs will be barely noticeable
So you think fury will be prefectly fine?
wheat jay
Yes
Fury will still be the most opressive spec in the game
With absolutely disgusting burst
And will still be retardproof
And will still be easy as fuck
fluid surge
I am happy if I not need to be forced playing arms
wheat jay
You won't have to
Crashing blow nerf is like 3% overall nerf to dmg
Will barely change anything
And banner nerf will also not amount to much
fluid surge
I see when u say it like that it does not sounds that much
wheat jay
What was it, 1/3 nerf to mastery from banner?
fluid surge
33%
wheat jay
Mastery from banner is whatever
Ye, so small nerf to mastery on banner
But
What gives the highest dmg boost is the conduit
fluid surge
will necro still be the play u think? I think so atleast
ye that make sense the str buff
wheat jay
So just a small nerf to it too, and a deserved one on top of it
Will still be the played
Those nerfs are close to nothing
fluid surge
I see
wheat jay
You will do 19k burst instead of 20k
fluid surge
I see, thanks for bringing some light to this! Now it feels alot better! I got glad on dh and fixed a war alt to push with a friend for fun! was worried they where destroyed X)..
full quiver
The mastery nerf is still a big nerf
wheat jay
Bullshit
flat tide
Losing out on what, 15% damage increase, seems big
wheat jay
You're not getting 45% mastery from banner
Just the mastery buff is getting nerfed, and only by 33%
When there's also a conduit
That gives even more
Y'all are dumb or what
wheat jay
Huh?
wet scarab
Lol the conduit doesn’t buff mastery
wheat jay
Mastery given by conq banner is getting nerfed by 33%
Only that
Conduit is giving you shitton of mai stats, and that remains the same
Not nerfed
wet scarab
Yes that is a big nerf to your big burst cd I’m not sure what you’re arguing
It’s not too bad no
wheat jay
Im saying the nerf is not huge, and is deserved
wet scarab
It’s disgusting the amount of damage that happens there and definitely deserved
wheat jay
Meanwhile fury fotm rerollers are in shambles after the nerf
As if they were suddenly going to lose ALL their dmg
wet scarab
Preempted through returning to arms enjoyer status after they nerfed lock and we returned to melee + demo meta
wheat jay
Does anyone have numbers to check how much % of mastery does the banner give?
Isn't it like 20%
wheat jay
Yes, but flat number gets scaled to % of mastery
Do you maybe know how much % mastery does it give?
wet scarab
It is just 400 mastery
wet scarab
Ah
wheat jay
I am asking since every class has different mastery scaling
And I never bothered to check lol
elder wigeon
for arms you're losing 4% mastery which is 4% damage, for fury it's 6% mastery which is 6% damage
wheat jay
Which is basically nothing
While bursting
When you got every cooldown on the planet Rolling
elder wigeon
¯_(ツ)_/¯
aura nerf fury damage by 10% on top and buff d-stance to 20%
pls and thx
wheat jay
Lmao
Its fine for meta to shift imo
The shifts have been very drastic tho
Too drastic
Specs going from s+++++++ tier to mediocre
Shit specs going to god tier
Etc
elder wigeon
because blizzard takes big swathes of changes when they think they're small ones
like d-stance for example, pretty huge nerf and a bad one at that, should've nerfed ignore pain
but here we are
wheat jay
I still think if it was middle of s2
Then the nerf would be good
And justified
But seeing how everyone's dmg just jumped ridiculously high
Its bad now
For s2, good and deserved nerf
For s3, no
elder wigeon
yeah but blizzard doesn't think like that
damage is way too high now
I don't know why they have to speed the meta up in a way that's causing the same problem; tons of healing and damage, people get topped through everything and people get 1 shot
why can't damage go down and healing go down with it
wheat jay
Ye i agree with that
Less healing
Less dmg
More room for outplay
Getting ahead and having more pressure would get more rewarded that way
But it could lead the game towards damp again
Which would suck
<@&257983573498265600> any of you would be kind enough?
lucid walrus
looks like it's in most channels
hasty dome
$pb @thick reef spam
wheat jay
This is such a scam lol
unkempt egretBOT
Done.
hasty dome
lucid walrus
ty marok
wheat jay
Genshii is Marok?
lucid walrus
is he not?
wheat jay
Is he?
lucid walrus
has the odyn role idk
fickle forge
Marok > Genshii
hasty dome
sharp meteor
Man s4 participation is going to be in shambles.
elder wigeon
I just really hope healing and damage is low in dragonflight
I think this meta would feel a lot better if our health was buffed by 33%
gusty zinc
would yall agree warrior is more healer reliant than other specs?
I find that in arenas where I can stay alive for more than the fuckin opener I typically win, but that feels impossible without a healer
lucid walrus
always has been and it's no less true rn
gusty zinc
gotcha, tried to duo with my buddy doing ret arms and he would have to basically 2v1 after every opener
lucid walrus
it's possible to do well in 2s with a hybrid although healers are better for when games drag beyond opener
not to mention the fact that grabbing a healer in y'all's case makes for one of the better 3s comps rn
elder mulch
where are my Night Fae Gamers
sage raptor
Omg meeeee
small silo
what spec better for KFC arms or fury ?
elder wigeon
neither
spice hornet
Kekw
Finding a good hunter to play with you when the hunter can find a feral and play one of the best ladder comps ever
near delta
Finding a good hunter to play with you when the hunter can find a feral and play...
Or DK/Rogue which is also really good
spice hornet
nothing worse than playing alts at like 1600-1700 trying to gear
fighting rival 2+ geared fury warriors
asdajsdjajsdajsdj
spice hornet
Lmao
torn sonnet
Will fury be swapping to Kyrian after nerfs y’all thijk?
lavish ember
Dont think so
lucid walrus
we did some really brief math & my ret came to the conclusion he's only losing like 6% dam during banner due to nerfed mast
lavish ember
Wish rogues got a well deserved nerf
nimble jasper
they did
lavish ember
You mean the little defense nerf on outlaw?
lucid walrus
it was well-deserved. it just wasn't the correct adjustment lmao
undone pumice
blizzard try not to annihilate plate classes in 1 nerf while needing 3 or 4 for rogues challenge
nimble jasper
You'll still have evasion for every relevant dmg cd
but you wont be able to just yolo evasion for 0 reason
and have it back up anyway
nimble jasper
yep
also they didnt nerf cdr roll w/ it
so its still 1.5s off evasion per cp spent with cdr buff
instead of 2s
i mean the more important thing is they didnt nerf shadowudst
the shit that enables double kidney blind under a min etc
lavish ember
Prot paladin heals need to be cut in half
nimble jasper
have you tried just zugging the prot pal
tank q's just need to be banned
flat out
nimble jasper
Prot paladin heals need to be cut in half
also can you stop with the male belf
its triggering me hearing fried opinions
from a male belf player
nimble jasper
implying theres playing high elves
@undone pumice https://www.twitch.tv/zxcrat/clip/CogentDelightfulCrocodileBibleThump-FMKsE4TAUnv46qv7
rat captures how I feel playing with lfg
"feed in the worst possible way you can into rogue hpriest then prob mald about how you lost in chat after"
lavish ember
@nimble jasper you can find those on the alliance.
nimble jasper
i mean now its cross faction
but yeah i had an alli alt in s4 bfa
was some fucking cursed shit
i actually dont understand how people lose to low mmr rogue
shit's so free
undone pumice
cuz they arent literally smurfing lol
warped warren
<@510202099368329216> https://www.twitch.tv/zxcrat/clip/CogentDelightfulCrocodil...
HAHAHAHA
spice hornet
whats with yolo rbg participants and having 0 leggos
2k cr in 2s priest signs up i invite him 0 leggos
??
lavish ember
See that often with peoples alts. The base items cost quite a bit of gold.
nimble jasper
See that often with peoples alts. The base items cost quite a bit of gold.
10k on my realm
lavish ember
That's cheap. Most are over 25k on mine.
fickle forge
Wow bro, that's like half an 1800 boost 😮
warped warren
wheat jay
You mean from 1700 to 1800?
full kiln
i boost u for 50k
shut barn
i boost u for 50k
Wis neonvix-Twisting Nether
fickle forge
Big beta energy statement
tough compass
We back to arms or how does the dam feel?
fickle forge
Nobody's played the patch yet fam
I'll look into the crystal ball for ya
Looks like it
Jokes aside, we won't know until like a week after patch
Should have enough games to get a feel for it then
warped warren
nimble jasper
300k on the first day.
imagine paying 300k for a legendary
you could have just used a 262
lavish ember
Well it was 30 min after the patch launched and one of the first 291 on the ah.
Its a collectors item i keep telling myself. 😭
lavish ember
I wasn't even pushing at the time. 😄
fickle forge
Again, get somebody 100 rating and you've earned it all home
lavish ember
Not short on gold atm.
nimble jasper
could have fooled me with that mog
sharp meteor
Some guy on the forums who is rival every season said he paid like 3m for leggos
most of mine were like 12k
lavish ember
That mog is gorgeous.
sand shadow
wtf they nerfing CB by 20% yikes
warped warren
was i supposed to be impressed
HAHAHAHA
sand shadow
more
sand shadow
i played BM because I cba'd learning survival (significantly more complex) myself 😄
sharp meteor
Surv has a lot of buttons.
sand shadow
ya
sharp meteor
I can't be bothered writing 30 new macros for Surv.
full kiln
fury rn bro is so easy and dumb class you can play game for 4 days and beat michs rating
sand shadow
altho imo people underestimate how much more dmg you can dish out as BM if you're actually good
full kiln
nerf is deserved
full kiln
which proves my point
sand shadow
id be okay w/ Fury nerf if there was enough time for us to suffer until Arms got buffs, but there ain't so ggwp 🙂