pvp

[undone pumice]

enh is a healer

[fickle forge]

Alright yeah I agree then

If we exclude all those specs

Then rogue and warr are the only phys dmg dealers

[undone pumice]

i meant
full melee classes that use weapons

better term

this is what wws do

[elder wigeon]

what the fuck is that

[fickle forge]

Who but warr and rogue ever did that though?

[undone pumice]

idk rets are mainly melee

dk too

[fickle forge]

Did they ever primarily do phys dmg?

[undone pumice]

yeah

[fickle forge]

Excluding the age of pure auto-attack rets

[undone pumice]

then idk

ah enh sham used to

when windfury procced itself

[elder wigeon]

doomwinds build enh does mostly phys

[fickle forge]

You mean like enh sham 66% of this expansion?

Stormstrike spam is still phys as well

[elder wigeon]

but none play doomwinds because disarm = aids and chain harvest build is nuts

[undone pumice]

chain harvest skybreaker or wolfbones

big

[elder wigeon]

p much

makes your dmg profile like 65% magic

[undone pumice]

venthyr arms was also like 40% magic right

[elder wigeon]

more like 30%

[fickle forge]

Swung a lot

Sometimes and sometimes not

[undone pumice]

haha condeeem

[elder wigeon]

if it's a short game where you got to condemn the whole time then it's gonna be like 50%

[undone pumice]

condemn fury is acc still kinda juicy

just have to play for the long game ( yoh are inting)

[elder wigeon]

meh condemn is weak

you don't q into plate in 2's

[undone pumice]

except like rets

[elder wigeon]

kek rets in 2s

[undone pumice]

scooby doo cheese 2s

[elder wigeon]

all i see in 2s is dh ww rogues hunters and occasional feral

[undone pumice]

my fav thing

[fickle forge]

You just might

[elder wigeon]

not at 2400 at least

[undone pumice]

i dodge other warriorw

[elder wigeon]

at 2400 it's dh ww rogue hunter

[undone pumice]

i am here to cleave mage skull

[fickle forge]

At 2400 it's only Hpriest+rogue/hunter

Gottem

[undone pumice]

once i pick up enough pennies from the sidewalk to buy gametime

[fickle forge]

2s arms best spec in the game?!

[elder wigeon]

arms is terrible

[fickle forge]

BiS spec

[undone pumice]

Man I got the arms itch again last night and it was so desperately tedious. Ended up in a 15 minute game against a feral hpal, kept almost killing them before they run away and heal up, and then died in a dampened stun after dominating the entire game

[fickle forge]

My cursed arms+Hpala adventures continue

[undone pumice]

my goto s1 week1 comp

[elder wigeon]

nah don't play arms

it's not good

[undone pumice]

i dont

i cant

[wheat jay]

i mean, in all honesty arms is still good, just not s1 and s2 level of good

xD

[elder wigeon]

play it in 2's bro

[wheat jay]

meme bracket bro

play it where it matters

[fickle forge]

Whenever I get an open space, then we'll prob take the arms+Hpala to 2.4k 2s

And then leave it to rot 😎 👍

[elder wigeon]

I'll play the two comps where arms is good

or i can play fury and play with just about anything

[fickle forge]

And continue to complain that you don't wanna play fury

[elder wigeon]

hey man it is what it is

[fickle forge]

: )

[undone pumice]

sacrifice your dignity or your cr

your choice

[elder wigeon]

I don't wanna play fury, but I also want to succeed

[undone pumice]

he sacrifices his dignity

[elder wigeon]

not really a dignity thing, I'm not embarassed or ashamed to play fury

[undone pumice]

u should be

[elder wigeon]

oh well

I'll advocate all day for fury nerfs

buff d-stance to 20%

[elder wigeon]

nothings stopping you from qing arms

[wheat jay]

dstance 15/15 perfect

[fickle forge]

I am playing arms

Listening to my teammates perma whine that I am not fury

[scarlet barn]

Karg

[fickle forge]

😎 👍

[wheat jay]

that is a nice talent for dk

[scarlet barn]

stop spamming that pic

we get it

smh

[fickle forge]

Look man, I know we didn't take angry cat cleave to great heights

But when the opportunity presents itself, I may as well drop it

[scarlet barn]

🤣

Time to revisit

[elder wigeon]

i wanna see the arms warrior tree and mald that it has 10% d-stance still in dragonflight and ignore pain vanished into thin air

[wheat jay]

not sure if dstance is good for the game

being 20/20

it was pretty much the best wall in the game

on a class that also has an absorb

and million tools to peel off dmg

[scarlet barn]

shush hunter

[wheat jay]

don't type too much

[fickle forge]

I mean

[wheat jay]

dont strain your arms

[fickle forge]

I MEAN

[wheat jay]

❤️

[fickle forge]

Can we talk about mages being tankier than warriors?

Ya know

[wheat jay]

and there is a fix to that

same as was with d stance

nerf the fuck out of it

[scarlet barn]

Great.And they nerfed

[fickle forge]

They DID man

Mage barriers have been nerfed like 5 times

[scarlet barn]

and made it not usable at all

[wheat jay]

yes

[scarlet barn]

kekw

[wheat jay]

nerf it more

if its still broken

nerf it until it is not

nerf it until it reaches the state where it is balanced

[elder wigeon]

It’s not balanced

[elder wigeon]

Well they went too far and haven’t rectified it and I don’t see it being more than niche next season again

[wheat jay]

dstance?

seeing how its still an on demand 10% wall that lasts forever

🙂

[elder wigeon]

If only it didn’t reduce your damage the same same amount as avatar

[wheat jay]

if something is as strong as dstance i think its fair that what you lose should be higher than what you gain

if it wasn't perma with 6s timer to switch between them, then id say it should be back to 20/20 🙂

or even 10/20 but other way around

[elder wigeon]

10% is less than most class passives like priest or dh

Dh has a passive 23% wall vs magic

Priest healers have perma 30% wall vs melee

[mystic barn]

dstance should have a one min cd instead of 6 to flip

😎

[fickle forge]

Idk man

People like to hate Dstance

[wheat jay]

15s dstance

[fickle forge]

But I guess 60k Death Strikes are okay

[wheat jay]

would be good imo

[fickle forge]

Or just make it 10/10 and then it's fine

[mystic barn]

Ya maybe ur shit box class shouldn’t be doing so much damage

[fickle forge]

• DK main

Btw

[wheat jay]

triple 15

15/15 and 15s cd

[mystic barn]

Or maybe actually mortal your target 😎

[elder wigeon]

Maybe d stance should have no cooldown and be 10/10

[fickle forge]

Really I don't think 10% on both ends is unreasonable

[mystic barn]

stance should be 10/30

[wheat jay]

its not

[fickle forge]

DK main's grudge gets boring fast

[wheat jay]

id still drop it to 3x 15

[willow nymph]

D stance should be like 20/40

or even 50

[mystic barn]

you guys just whine after warrior is slightly nerfed when top tier for a year and a half wonder why

[fickle forge]

What

Lol

[elder wigeon]

Lmfao

[wheat jay]

above top tier 👍

[elder wigeon]

Slightly nerfed

[mystic barn]

Yup

[willow nymph]

I need stances back presences back

[wheat jay]

it was a slight nerf

[fickle forge]

No complaining here sir

[wheat jay]

went from 20% wall to 10% wall, done

[elder wigeon]

Why is nobody playing arms then

[wheat jay]

because fury has better 4set

[mystic barn]

Foty die hard arms warriors hopped on fury’s duck super fast wonder why

[elder wigeon]

Fury is not better than arms was

[wheat jay]

it has better 4 set

does more damage

[elder wigeon]

Better ms

[wheat jay]

and has 100% uptime

[willow nymph]

Better survivability too

[wheat jay]

had that ms last season too iirc

[willow nymph]

It's just the nature of the game

[wheat jay]

all comes down to the 4set

arms 4set is shit

compared to fury

[fickle forge]

Arms 4-set is decent

[mystic barn]

acting like arms is a dead spec after dstance nerf is something else

stop being shitters

[fickle forge]

Who

Says

That

Man

[mystic barn]

You

Pussy

[fickle forge]

No

Lol

[elder wigeon]

Lmfao

[willow nymph]

Spicy

[wheat jay]

everyone other than you @fickle forge

[fickle forge]

[willow nymph]

mods do your job

I'm scared 😭

[wheat jay]

arms still far from being dogshit, warriors just aren't boosted by their class by 600cr

[elder wigeon]

Arms is niche status it has two comps

[willow nymph]

Turbo kinda lit

[mystic barn]

darn like dk last patch but you told me to suck it up

[fickle forge]

Arms is literally fine like

[mystic barn]

so why don’t you

[willow nymph]

I think a 50% reduction was enough for people to notice it and then arms players didn't want to adapt or felt like they couldn't

So found a better solution in fury

[fickle forge]

Damn

Like destro lock now 😮

[willow nymph]

switching specs > re rolling at least

[fickle forge]

😮 😮 😮

[willow nymph]

destro still claps tho

[fickle forge]

Kind of like arms 🤔

[willow nymph]

But they have the luxury of 3 specs and blizz favoritism

[wheat jay]

or, fury is just busted with crazy 4set 😄

[willow nymph]

fury is strong but look at arena and rbg leaderboards it's not saturated

[mystic barn]

destro suffers the same fate as arms in the fact you have to put a little brain into to ur gameplay now

[fickle forge]

Look at destro rep

As soon as nerf and resolve nerf landed

INSTA dropped

[willow nymph]

It's rogue priests and surv hunter

[fickle forge]

From like 30% rep to 5% rep

Destroyed libtards

[willow nymph]

But literally every spec has a place in top 500 across PvP

The question is, is it legit or not

[wheat jay]

depends

for warrior it is

for hunter too

rogue too

[elder wigeon]

I can’t even q arms if I want to I try sometimes just to cope a little and team bitches

[willow nymph]

yeah community perception ruins wow

[fickle forge]

Eto had success with WPS as arms

[mystic barn]

get a new team ?

[willow nymph]

More than balancing I'd argue

[elder wigeon]

Teams grow on trees

[willow nymph]

Every class can CE every class can 2400 and hero of the horde

[fickle forge]

If you have contacts they do

Ye but Resune wants R1 lol

[willow nymph]

but like people don't let feral into keys

[mystic barn]

You should play what you want arms isn’t dog shit lmfao

[willow nymph]

Or people don't want mages and spriests in rbgs

[elder wigeon]

Eh not anymore I don’t care anymore

[willow nymph]

if you mostly pug you have to meta slave

[wheat jay]

arms is far from being bad

[fickle forge]

😎 👍

[elder wigeon]

I mostly 2s now to not rust, I refuse to play arms there

[willow nymph]

2s be toxic

I think everyone should have a DH alt

[elder wigeon]

If you wanna go pro in 2s you play surv

[wheat jay]

yep

or outlaw

or sub

[full kiln]

what legnedary power is best for 2s

i see alot of people running deathmaker

[kind sail]

Its about preference @full kiln signet for os and strong goes and deathmarker for more dps and perma pressure

[full kiln]

i like more dps

[kind sail]

If you prefere dps over burst go deathmaker and haste/mastery

I have seen some people running like 15% crit with signet and the OS are fine tbh XD

[full kiln]

what is OS?

[kind sail]

One shot

[full kiln]

idk man i dont like building crit xd

ill run with like 5% crit

i can activate deathmaker while building ms and then use cds

i think thats unsurvivable xd

but if they do something to me and i have to switch target its useless right

[full quiver]

Extra bladestorms is so nice tho

[willow nymph]

What do we do when fury and arms are both doodoo

What's everyone alting

[undone pumice]

dn

[sharp meteor]

Idk whatever looks fun in bgs like Balance or MM

[willow nymph]

Balance doody

Big chicken

Waiting for convoke

MM I'm seriously considering

Playing call of duty in the BG

Hunters just got clout too

[sharp meteor]

balance in epic bgs doing like 25k dps the entire game

[raw summit]

but its all starfall

[wet scarab]

community perception changes all the time, people invite ferals into keys now too because they're doing pretty decent damage and boomkins have fallen out of favor

spriests though rip

[sharp meteor]

so when i press empower and surge a guy for 25-35k 3 times in a row that's pad right

dead healer doesn't keep his teammates alive

[silk stratus]

Hi guys im new at fury I change from dh I feel untanky is that normal?

[raw summit]

Not really

Fury cant blur every 45

[full quiver]

lol

[fickle forge]

Unfort only 10% perma wall and not 23%

[full kiln]

bros what is this spec

[nimble jasper]

assassination

[full kiln]

broken burst

[nimble jasper]

yeah

[raw summit]

Did you ignore the sepsis

[full kiln]

i died in like

[nimble jasper]

gotta dispel sepsis

[full kiln]

2 seconds maybe less

2 global cds

or smth idk

[nimble jasper]

pretty much instantly

[raw summit]

2 gcds

Such luxury

[nimble jasper]

its usually more than 2 gcds

[raw summit]

Back in my day warlock killed you in one 🧓

[nimble jasper]

you have to basically respond on the vendetta

effectively immediately

[full kiln]

ye man idk i just started playing arenas

but im doing good

[nimble jasper]

i mean fury is very simple

you just run at people

and hit buttons

[full kiln]

ye man haha amazing

and best of all

win

i dont even know what im pressing

[raw summit]

Rb

[full kiln]

i just got my legendary ring too

tormented kings

full honor gear i slam people

[nimble jasper]

thats probably why you died so fast

[opaque whale]

I struggle against windwalkers so bad

[willow nymph]

DH tankier than fury?

[smoky turtle]

We have a dispel?

[raw summit]

for roots

[willow nymph]

Aren't DH and fury the same thing

[nimble jasper]

blur is bugged still

psure

[sharp meteor]

It is, and Havoc passively takes like 23% less magic damage.

Fodder heal is also still crazy big.

[willow nymph]

big RNG

for fodder

[sharp meteor]

You can bank it for 25 seconds, lmao

[willow nymph]

tbh dh better than warrior

you just don't stop doing damage 🤣

[wheat jay]

you have better ms

can't be kited

can't be rooted

[smoky turtle]

Dh doesn't have near the burst warrior does

But better sustained dmg.

[raw summit]

dh can cleave

we cant

[smoky turtle]

We can tho

Not as good but we can

[raw summit]

if you cleave you are gimping your pressure so hard

[smoky turtle]

I feel like a lot of people do it in 3s

[full quiver]

pressing ww

feels fucking awful lol

[smoky turtle]

I agree I just feel like I see a lot of streamers talk about how they should be doing it more often

[opaque whale]

u think its easier to get 2100 in 2s or 3s

???

like 1950 in both after some lfg queues

[nimble jasper]

2s

[full quiver]

2s for sure

just play with kyrian hpriest, press every damage ubtton on opener and haveh im kyrian boon

[opaque whale]

Lol

Ive been playing with a venthyr disc priest who has no unity

Somehow nearly got 2k in one session

[full quiver]

make him go kyrian

ezpz

then slap dark arch and double PI leggo on that opener

[opaque whale]

Lol

On healer or dps tho

who do u usually go in 2s

[nimble jasper]

bonk whoever doesnt have wall up

[full quiver]

depends on match up

[wheat jay]

Always go dps

I hate killing healers

[full quiver]

lol

[nimble jasper]

unless its outlaw

[full quiver]

i love farming bad rdruids on fury

[nimble jasper]

killing outlaw is a trap

[wheat jay]

No, kill outlaw

[full quiver]

i swear with frenzied regen nerf

if the guy doesn't know hwo to kite it's free W going rdruid

[wheat jay]

Im retarded in 2s tho

So don't listen to me

I just dont enjoy chasing healers

[full quiver]

you only have to "chase" them for like 7s

on fury

during your go lol

[nimble jasper]

some people mald so hard

[opaque whale]

every outlaw rdruid ive fought usually ends in killing druid

[nimble jasper]

when you zug their healer

[opaque whale]

outlaw/mw I usually cry as we lose in dampening

[full quiver]

i hate it when another fury goes my healer

[nimble jasper]

most rdruids are really bad

[full quiver]

and then instead of just pveing each other in mid

we both waddle around

while he does nothing

[opaque whale]

Ive always gone on a fury in a mirror

hold my burst for after i disarm and stormbolt theres

theirs*

[full quiver]

yeah that wins you like every match vs another fury loll

until you meet some other autist who refuses to use his shit until you do

[nimble jasper]

or be mud win in opener

off raw damage

[opaque whale]

ill hold my shit for a minute idc

[willow nymph]

What's tankier DH or fury

[opaque whale]

dh

cant kill them like every 40 sec lol

[full quiver]

Both squishy af

[willow nymph]

DH doesn't even have many defensives tho

I know

I mean who even is tank these days

Outlaw

Druid

that's about it

[opaque whale]

demo/priest is annoying too

[undone pumice]

mage

hpriest

[willow nymph]

whack

[opaque whale]

I cant stand fighting double dps

[willow nymph]

Tryna be melee

[opaque whale]

In 2s

[undone pumice]

okbut u will

[willow nymph]

I mean warrior and DH both very healer reliant

outside of that DH still has more defensive options ?

[undone pumice]

dh a lot less so

[willow nymph]

ehh

I played DH it's very difficult without a healer

[nimble jasper]

dh isnt even healer reliant

[willow nymph]

it 100% is

[undone pumice]

idk i havent seen a dh all expansion i just have ptsd from bfa dhs

healing 3% to 80% in 1 gcd

[willow nymph]

the leech talent isn't enough to sustain

[nimble jasper]

warrior you want to play with a healer anyway too

[willow nymph]

exactly

What about rbgs

Both have their spot

[nimble jasper]

rbgs are a joke

[undone pumice]

eh

rbgs

[nimble jasper]

rbgs are for 1500 players

[undone pumice]

[nimble jasper]

to develop egos

[willow nymph]

I'm just debating playing fury and DH like if they're virtually the same

Rbgs more fun

[nimble jasper]

and pretend they’re good at the game

[undone pumice]

play fury

[opaque whale]

Rbgs are for when i reach a new rating and need honor to upgrade

[nimble jasper]

yeye

[undone pumice]

then reroll dh next expansion when it gets gutted

[nimble jasper]

i q rbgs for cap

and 95% of healers

cant juke a kick

[willow nymph]

who does more dam atm

Prob fury

[opaque whale]

Yeah

[willow nymph]

warr kinda a staple I rbg

[undone pumice]

fury is an s tier melee atm

[willow nymph]

Yeah

But I don't wanna play arms when it gets nerfed

[undone pumice]

but outlaw is just kinda

gooder

[willow nymph]

nah I'm off rogue

Too much reliance on other people

When everyone's brain dead

[undone pumice]

what

[opaque whale]

I hope fury doesnt get nerfed

[undone pumice]

i hope it does

[opaque whale]

no

[undone pumice]

fuck fury being meta

[opaque whale]

let me get 2.2 first

[nimble jasper]

it probably will

[nimble jasper]

literally false

warrior relies on team more

[willow nymph]

Doesn't mean what I said was false

[full quiver]

outlaw rogue doesn't rely on shit

[wheat jay]

Play fury, its better

[full quiver]

lol

[opaque whale]

Fury

[willow nymph]

If you pug in 2s you'll run out of defensives bc you rely on others peeling

outlaw doesn't count

it's not real

[full quiver]

bad argument lol

[opaque whale]

Id rather fight outlaw than assas

[wheat jay]

No

[full quiver]

no way

[undone pumice]

if u run out of defensives its on u tbh

[wheat jay]

You dont

[full quiver]

lose in 30s > lose in 5 minutes

[nimble jasper]

outlaw liferally carries the game

[opaque whale]

I die in a kidney sepsis everytime

[wheat jay]

React

[opaque whale]

I think ive won more against outlaw

[wheat jay]

Ez

[opaque whale]

what i do

Help

[nimble jasper]

outlaw only thing you lose to

is survs that actually diamond ice

[full quiver]

you can trinket wall disarm rally

[nimble jasper]

and steel trap

[willow nymph]

does fury have any wall

[full quiver]

and still die to sin sepsis lol

healer has to save you if it's vanish go

[willow nymph]

It's only enraged regen

ass vanish go is wild

Can actually do a cast sequence macro

[nimble jasper]

you have to trade for it

[full quiver]

i remember 100% hp

pre ignore pain

[nimble jasper]

its also only once per 2mins

[undone pumice]

fury has regen and rally and def trink

[full quiver]

pop wall second im kidney

died in less than a second

lmao

[nimble jasper]

as opposed to traditional one that is every min

[opaque whale]

Gotta live opener to have things for the kidney bomb right

[willow nymph]

Vendetta can become

1.5 mins

1.3 depending

[opaque whale]

Do u pretty much have to save trinket for kidney bomb

[nimble jasper]

yeah but the vanish burst meme

is every 2

[full quiver]

vanish burst meme need healer to save

[undone pumice]

u just lose on attrition cuz of bomb sometimes

[opaque whale]

Which means he can literally negate ur go everytime

Cause you need trink

[full quiver]

nah

he has no vanish cause he tried to cheese you

play AM and kill him

[nimble jasper]

assa has less stops

[opaque whale]

ive never gone off of RA

[nimble jasper]

its not outlaw who can just stop your entire reck

[full quiver]

dumb

[nimble jasper]

[opaque whale]

just started playing impending

[full quiver]

AM + signet is so good

[nimble jasper]

also outlaw can just

[opaque whale]

perhaps

[nimble jasper]

blind reck

and not care

[full quiver]

i only play RA if it's something that kites me

[wheat jay]

So, everything?

[opaque whale]

so u always play am?? Wtf

Besides Hunter

[full quiver]

lol i play RA into like hunter, feral, ww

[twilit ridge]

Don't you use lossa???

[wheat jay]

He does

[full quiver]

raime knows

[wheat jay]

All enabled too

[full quiver]

raime is like 1200

[nimble jasper]

either way rogue is way less dependent on healer than warrior rn

[full quiver]

doesn't even play anymore smh

[nimble jasper]

unless you’re a freak and wanna play sub hpriest

[twilit ridge]

Raime is an rbger his arena rating can't exceed 1300

[nimble jasper]

sub hpriest is a good comp it just requires a priest

[full quiver]

lol

[nimble jasper]

to cc with you

[twilit ridge]

I don't blame him

[willow nymph]

Yeah I never said healer dependent I said teammate dependent

rogue can rogue mage bc you need peels

[nimble jasper]

???

you can play

assa healer

or outlaw healer

[nimble jasper]

this is not why rogue mage is good

its good because mage doesnt die

[willow nymph]

I'm not saying that either

Brother

Leave me alone lol

[nimble jasper]

you make 0 sense

[opaque whale]

only time i win against rogue mage is some lucky warbreaker crit and its just too much to react to lol

mage insta dies

idk what to do

[undone pumice]

its ndogo reincarnated

[opaque whale]

I fold so hard against double dps comps

Not even funny

[wheat jay]

The lord has returned

[undone pumice]

all thats missing is bruin son

[nimble jasper]

killing rogue is better

[full quiver]

doing 2s on fury

made me feel like bruin

fury/hpal into rdruid/survival

on that fucking bridge map

reeee

[wheat jay]

Rdruid survi should be easy for you

Just nuke rdruid lol

[nimble jasper]

surv hpriest tho…

fury hpal big funny into no purge comps with only physical cc

just unpeelable burst

[full quiver]

yeah that was normal kill target

but it has to be a bad rdruid to win

rdruid/survival is such a cringe comp lol

[opaque whale]

had most success playing with priests

[full quiver]

rsham/fury felt by far better than any other healer for me recently

[wheat jay]

Its the other way around for them

Anyone that plays against fury thinks its cringe

[undone pumice]

every single class is cringe to fight imo

0 classes or spec that dont have bullshit

[full quiver]

rdruid/survival is cringe because no one dies lol

[dark sparrow]

Bro as Sv I just stopped q’ing with a rdudu because every Druid even at 2.3 dies cause they can’t pre bear shit

Than played with a 3k rdudu from guild and shit was smooth sailing

[nimble jasper]

rdruids just have

a giant skill ceiling

[full quiver]

yeah if it's a good rdruid

you just waddle around for 3 minutes and die as fury

lol

[wheat jay]

Monk

Ww of course

Everything is counterable and telegraphed

No random oneshots

[undone pumice]

hahhahaha

[wheat jay]

What

[undone pumice]

keefers proc into kill

[wheat jay]

They kinda need sweeping to kill

Rotate trinkets

Done

Use cc

One of the easier specs to live the burst of

[willow nymph]

I need a class that is all about sustained pressure, non cd reliant on Offense like a ret

Mobility is important too and can just stay in your face

is this fury warrior

or is this DH

Or is this both

[lucid walrus]

both

[wheat jay]

Survi

[lucid walrus]

stays in your face pretty easily if you’re dead the whole game

[opaque whale]

Both but fury is better

[willow nymph]

kk I'll pull the trigger on warrior

Does arms play similar just slower

And more CDs

[full quiver]

lol

arms doesn't play remotely similar to DH or fury

if you want stay in your face constant pressure play outlaw

[willow nymph]

Yeah but I see it this way

Outlaw will not stay this way

[full quiver]

lol

[willow nymph]

and neither will fury

Then it's back to sub

[full quiver]

idk hpriest has stayed the same for few months

[willow nymph]

And back to arms

How does arms play

[full quiver]

you've got the warrior all geared up just try it

[willow nymph]

nah I boosted yday baby boy

DH def a bit 1 track minded

[opaque whale]

A rogue spec will always be good

[willow nymph]

Kinda squishy boy

[opaque whale]

Same with war tbh

[willow nymph]

DH more 50/50

but is arms boring

[opaque whale]

Yes

[willow nymph]

Let's hear some discussion

[opaque whale]

Fury is fun go fury

Trust

[undone pumice]

arms press 2 button

[willow nymph]

im gonna play fury

[opaque whale]

I boosted one 4 days ago

[undone pumice]

enemy go

[opaque whale]

Having a blast

[undone pumice]

☠️

[willow nymph]

doesn't arms have consistent dam

[undone pumice]

fury press 1 button many time enemy go

☠️ ☠️

[willow nymph]

I guess we can't be all concerned with the future

[wheat jay]

Kinda, its good decent outside of cooldowns

And huge with cooldowns

[willow nymph]

I just want pressure

Always doing something

Making plays

[wheat jay]

Play survi then, if you want to do that in 2s

Good consistent damage, plenty of things you can do, good mobility

Can outplay enemies

And the spec is also just fun to play

[opaque whale]

spoopy if u already have a war just play fury

Trust me

I just made mine and its the most fun ive had in wow

[willow nymph]

I think santino is right

Just roll with it

[opaque whale]

about to hit 2k after 20 hours playtime

And ive never been above 1.8 befote keke

[willow nymph]

And whatever happens happens

But now I gotta grind unity

4 pc

[opaque whale]

Its not hard

[willow nymph]

All that silly nonsense

[opaque whale]

I got full geared in 2 days

With caches

[willow nymph]

Yeah

[opaque whale]

Then got my legendaries and the flux for 4pc

[willow nymph]

I might have to run rbgs on my rogue to get the caches

[opaque whale]

Yeah i dropped 11k on caches

Just needed a wep and trink after that

[willow nymph]

i mean arms isnt bad

sometimes u be waiting for the gcd

or something to come up

but prob gets better with haste

[elder wigeon]

more crit = more rage

[willow nymph]

so vers crit haste?

im not rage starved really

just either waiting for gcd

or everythings on cooly

l;ittle slow tho

[elder wigeon]

30% vers ~20% haste rest crit

[willow nymph]

need more mobvility

[elder wigeon]

wdym

[willow nymph]

charge and das it

[sharp meteor]

[willow nymph]

i guess what im saying is i can get behind arms once fury dies

[elder wigeon]

i mean arms used to have more mobility than fury

[willow nymph]

yeah its more than most classes

1 charge 1 heroic leap

sometimes i be getting kited

[elder wigeon]

every class but priest has pretty good mobility

[nimble jasper]

want to make plays

and dont just play rogue

lmao

if you want to stay in people’s faces just play fury or dh

altho good dhs kite other team’s damage with their mobility

[willow nymph]

arms is just slow fury

[nimble jasper]

surv also has a shit ton of control

and is typically hunter’s best pvp spec

[willow nymph]

yeah but RBGs u go MM

[nimble jasper]

rbgs are meme content

[willow nymph]

says u

someone who ints at strangers over discord

couldnt be me

[nimble jasper]

says most people

besides rbg mains

[simple rock]

rbgs are ok but the people that play them are weird as hell

[nimble jasper]

^

[simple rock]

more weird than arena players

[nimble jasper]

half the highend rbg community

belongs on an fbi watchlist

rbgs are less about how good you are at your class in pvp

and more about communication

[raw summit]

isnt there this addon

that just shows most targeted enemy

with like a crosshair

[nimble jasper]

uhh

discord?

you find the egirl healer

drop a stun and blow them up

then wipe rest of their team

if you arent a stealth class or target calling your job in rbgs is basically pve

if you teamfight

[willow nymph]

i like TC

fury def fun

[nimble jasper]

honestly says something

when a bunch of r1s queueing for cap stomp any team they run into

[willow nymph]

So I'm gonna play fury until it's bad and then see if I can do arms if not back to DH

Gang

shut up mich I don't wanna hear anything from you

[nimble jasper]

i mean if you wanna queue low rated zugzug sure

dh is literally the definition of stay in and pve people down

[willow nymph]

yeah I love it

[nimble jasper]

i alted it for 3 seasons

and its way less fun than legion dh

bfa dh was literally stun manarift and win by default

and some baboons manage to fuck up the stun rift

[willow nymph]

heard the circle was small

Hard to click

So you play warr and DH

[nimble jasper]

i alted it at one point

no you just dropped it under their feet

i’ve played most melee to some extent

im not mentally deranged enough to play feral though

[willow nymph]

so what do you play now

I can't see how someone can play fury and DH

so you're a warrior main with some other melee alt

[nimble jasper]

you can play both

i got my 2.1 first month and stopped caring honestly

game is a huge meme

might push later on now that resolve is fixed

[willow nymph]

So what u playing now

[nimble jasper]

jackshit

[warped warren]

[nimble jasper]

pirate 2 if a friend wants 2.1 on their asscheeks alt

to abuse some shit hunters

for free pts

then almost die to a random 1800 rm cuz i didnt pre wall

heheh

epic

[near delta]

What are these caches?

[nimble jasper]

the conquest caches are back

from s2

[near delta]

Oh lol forgot that was their name

[nimble jasper]

idk just from the guy next to flightmaster

rando conq piece for 375 conq

50% chance yoy get rele as a non human

💀

[willow nymph]

I just wannna play spriest tbh

[near delta]

Yeah I've only ever heard them referred to as conq boxes

[willow nymph]

get your conq box ass outta here

[near delta]

I literally bought like 150 of those things last season I'll call em whatever I want lol

[nimble jasper]

spriest is fine

idk why people doom and pretend the spec is bad

💀

[willow nymph]

When's warrior been bad?

[lucid walrus]

easily

[willow nymph]

I'm sure it's not bad just won't get invited to shit

so it's okay for me to play both

[nimble jasper]

problem is you want to pug

[lucid walrus]

warr was pretty eeh in bfa save for s1 where it was absurd

[nimble jasper]

if you wanna push you need a consistent team

[lucid walrus]

had a rough season or two in cata as well

[nimble jasper]

most classes havent been actually bad

[willow nymph]

I wanna warrior I wanna DH I just don't wanna be doing the same shit and get bored

[nimble jasper]

people pretended dh was bad

in sl s1

and warlock

[lucid walrus]

dh was theorycrafted into being good

[nimble jasper]

bunch of bfa babies

[lucid walrus]

by that i mean people pressed swap covenant and shot up a ton of rating

[nimble jasper]

who dont remember when dh had to kite

to not die

“hehe blade dance dodge 35% dr blur”

[lucid walrus]

trying to find clips of when mw still had mistwalk

[nimble jasper]

human mw in legion

hahahahahah

lmaoo

warrior’s biggest issue in bfa was you could sub in sin rogue for it

[elder wigeon]

warrior wasn't that good in bfa, terrible except 1 season in cata, terrible in season 13

[nimble jasper]

in any comp it had

and it’d be better

besides maybe mage mw

[lucid walrus]

dh having fighting game iframes is still retarded

[willow nymph]

Iframes?

[nimble jasper]

immunity frames

meta immune is dumb as shit

[lucid walrus]

ergo vengeful/meta

[nimble jasper]

so was blade dance dodge

[willow nymph]

How do you not get kited as arms

[lucid walrus]

i was gonna ask if i misremembered dance dodge

[nimble jasper]

piercing howl

hamstring

[lucid walrus]

if your slows aren't up all the time except for freedoms you're doing it wrong

[nimble jasper]

some classes will kite you regardless

[willow nymph]

Mhhm Mhhm Mhhm

[nimble jasper]

like ferals

[willow nymph]

warrior seems a bit more complex than DH

[nimble jasper]

anytime im gearing an alt

[willow nymph]

not hard

[nimble jasper]

and ill just watch a warrior

[willow nymph]

But not so 1 track mindedness

[nimble jasper]

not hamstring me first global

[willow nymph]

do you guys use the charge hamstring intervene macro

[nimble jasper]

should have separate binds

[spice hornet]

I just use the bis macro

Nothing more

[lucid walrus]

i macro overpower and IP together

bajheera personally told me to

[willow nymph]

So you guys still play arms

Is there any instance where it's better than fury

Do we think they buff it a bit

[lucid walrus]

already have

[willow nymph]

how

[lucid walrus]

arms does fine with hybrids

[willow nymph]

So in 3s

what about arms and healer

[lucid walrus]

nvm this was pve

in 2s fury is p much flat-out better

[warped warren]

seems pretty good to me

[lucid walrus]

on christ

[nimble jasper]

psure

kyrian arms is still better in turbo

[willow nymph]

What's arms stat weights

Is ignore pain my filler over slam

[lucid walrus]

https://murlok.io/warrior/arms/3v3

[willow nymph]

I don't have friends for 3v3

Only 2s

[elder wigeon]

LOL

[warped warren]

[thick reef]

Hey warriors, question.
Does warbreaker proc on charges from crushing blow?

[willow nymph]

I guess faction balances don't matter anymore?

Unless you mythic raid?

[thick reef]

Might be a question better suited for pve? Idk though

[willow nymph]

So I have a dilemma

Warrior is objectively better than DK

But dk fantasy way cooler

[thick reef]

But... Fury

Way cooler than DK fantasy

[willow nymph]

naw

Harbringer of death

seeking redemption from LK

they just roll over to physical dam

[thick reef]

Titans Grip

Have fun with 1 2h sword

[simple rock]

ignore pain with every mortal strike bro

every 2nd*

[elder wigeon]

wtb the ability to parry while disarmed so I can at least get the 30% wall

[lucid walrus]

warbringer is what i assume you’re talking about

and no it’s just on charge

[thick reef]

Thank you. And yes I meant warbringer

[smoky turtle]

DH more than fury for sure.

[spice hornet]

Ima need someone to link the bis macro again

Lost my macros and I know that one was a complex one

[elder wigeon]

yes rogues 100% should be able to hit 35k in .1 seconds

35K through d stance

[plush roost]

did you try and press the skill issue buttons

alt + f4 i think they were

[spice hornet]

Evis hits way too hard

Get hit for 21k 18k

[smoky turtle]

Ya if you alt f4 its like it never happened

[plush roost]

i think it was a skill issue tbh

like lets be real here

[spice hornet]

With a resi popping for 25k at the same time

[plush roost]

like he couldve before dying

[spice hornet]

Like what

[plush roost]

alt+f4'd and then went to the gym

[spice hornet]

Exactly

[plush roost]

came back and acted like nothing had happend

[spice hornet]

Imagine losing to a sub rogue

[plush roost]

woulda been better overall imo

[spice hornet]

They’re squishy so they need the dmg and control

[elder wigeon]

i think rogues are better now than they were in season 1 week 1

[spice hornet]

I was thinking about that recently

It’s about the same to me

Even better

[smoky turtle]

I think rogues are ridiculously busted in every way and I dont care what anyone else thinks

[spice hornet]

At least in week 1 s1 outside of their obnoxious one shot they did tank dmg

Now they just do mongo dam no cooldowns

100-0 kidney no cooldowns just evis and holy fire and mindgames

[lucid walrus]

hope it ain’t too much trouble to copy down. i’d be takin notes

[spice hornet]

Thank you! I’ll be able to hit 1800 tonight hopefully

[lucid walrus]

what slot unity

[plush roost]

could also add a /cast alt+f4

tbh

[smoky turtle]

Not as arms you wont @spice hornet

[spice hornet]

Wdym arms is the best 2s spec in the game

[smoky turtle]

/cast reroll2arms

/cast alt + F4

[spice hornet]

TFW qing arms disc 2s

[willow nymph]

They seem the same

[spice hornet]

Dh can’t be an orc so getting stunned feels like an eternity on that class

[smoky turtle]

They're definitely not the same. I play both at 275 pvpilevel and they are noooooot the same.

[willow nymph]

What's the differences

[smoky turtle]

Fury has way more initial burst

Fury doesn't have 2 stuns

Dh has aoe stun

Banish

[spice hornet]

Dh ranged kick

Purge

[smoky turtle]

Dh is pretty much consistent damage that never really changes.

[willow nymph]

arms and fury to me seem like sustain specs

with CDs for big burst

[spice hornet]

Furry long burst window

Arms consistent dam with big chunks here and there

[smoky turtle]

I have never ever been out damaged by a fury as my dh. Dh has way more uptime

[willow nymph]

what's your damage outside fury CDs?

[spice hornet]

Decent but less than a dh, depends on Reck procs

[smoky turtle]

But furys slaughter and inital burst puts insane pressure on a healer.

Thats what wins a lot of games at low mmr

Healers panic

[spice hornet]

That’s what make all the babies cry on the forum

Die to a fury at 1800

[willow nymph]

so at higher mmr fury falls off?

[smoky turtle]

Both classes fall off.

[spice hornet]

Doesn’t realize past 2300 fury just falls off and it’s the hunters and rogues bracket

[smoky turtle]

I'd say fury is better though.

Dh falls off at like 2100

[spice hornet]

Yeah haven’t seen many of them in general

Dumb class

[willow nymph]

game sucks

[smoky turtle]

rng decides if you live as a dh (demon procs)

[willow nymph]

I know

Kinda annoying

[spice hornet]

5 demons within 3-4min

Kms

[smoky turtle]

Or 0

Lol

[lucid walrus]

if rng meant 90% dodge on blur

[willow nymph]

is survival always this strong?

[smoky turtle]

Surv used to be dogshit.

[willow nymph]

or is it a hunter kit type of deal

[spice hornet]

Yeah for awhile

Good dam lots of utility just more buttons to press so ppl rather turn their brain off and play bm

[willow nymph]

why's this guy use periods

[smoky turtle]

But imo dh doesn't have a lot of outplay potential. I like warriors kit better.

[willow nymph]

Making me nervous

yeah I agree on that

I mean I won't but glad this xpac

[smoky turtle]

And fury has better, stronger "go's" than dh considering dh doesn't exactly have a big burst window unless you include metamorph which I don't.

[willow nymph]

Maybe dragonblight overhauls the game

Or maybe it doesn't

[smoky turtle]

Or maybe a meteor hits earth and we go extinct

[willow nymph]

Yeah so I'm back at square 1

[smoky turtle]

Maybe someone hacks into the mainframe, finds bobbys nudes and tells him "delete rogue or im releasing these to the public"

And ofc he doesn't delete rogue

So we all see Bobbys dick

Then we all lose x2.

[smoky turtle]

Idk dude. You want burst? Fury. You want great sustained dmg and mobility? DH

[willow nymph]

Just make all stuns 5-6s max make everything DR problem solved

[smoky turtle]

Ez.

[willow nymph]

so what classes are always good then for arena and rbgs

[elder wigeon]

what's good in arena isn't always good in rbgs and vice versa

warriors are not so desirable for rbgs rn

[willow nymph]

why arent they?