pvp

[nimble jasper]

what happened

lmfao

[mystic barn]

thanks google fiber

[nimble jasper]

isnt google fib the fast one

[mystic barn]

1 gig

[nimble jasper]

yeah what happened

[mystic barn]

dunno

[kind sail]

Is rampage > raging blow > bloodthirst the priority rotation on recklessness?

I feel like raging blow deal more dmg than rampage

[elder wigeon]

it does but you need to maintain enrage and slaughterhouse

without enrage your crushing blow has a 50% less chance to proc and you need your 40% ms

and you do significantly less damage without enrage

most important thing is to dump your rage, even if crushing blow is a better damage global

only time I'd ever spam crushing and cap my rage is if I need to stay on target and or I think it'll kill them right now

[fickle forge]

Rampage is about 200% AP while CB is roughly 188% AP

Use Rampage fam

[raw summit]

Youll think crush does more since it's one big hit but the 4 Rampage hits add up

[scarlet barn]

Plus it lets your rage flow better

[elder wigeon]

I've never hit a 30K rampage, I have hit a 30K crushing blow

my biggest rampages are about 25k

you're forgetting tier set bonus amping crushing blow

did some testing, all else is equal with procs, crushing blow dmg is volatile depending on procs, if main hand crits it does a lot more dmg than rampage if rampage doesn't crit on its biggest hit

[fickle forge]

Tier buffs it by how much?

[elder wigeon]

10%

if all 4 hits crit from rampage and both main and off hand crit from crushing blow, crushing blow should beat it by a menial amount

it's much more likely crushing blow will do more damage in a crit scenario

[fickle forge]

You don't need to compare crits and stuff, Rampage has slightly more %AP so it'll hit slightly harder

Crit or not, cast 1k times each spell and Rampage should be your top dmg

[elder wigeon]

crushing blow is buffed by 10%, ap alone is not enough

you don't have crushing blow 100% of the time, if you did, it would always be top dam

obviously because you can press it way more times, but it wouldn't be close

[fickle forge]

Even with the 10% increase, it doesn't beat out Rampage on AP.
AP is really all you need to determine how hard something's gonna hit. More AP? Higher number

[elder wigeon]

it gets very complicated when you consider that there's 4 attacks, M + O and then a harder hitting M + O

188% x 1.1 is 206.8, that's a bigger number

[fickle forge]

It's really not as complicated as you make it seem

[elder wigeon]

if your main hand crits with crushing blow and off doesn't, it's going to pull way ahead if rampage crits on nothing or crits on the first half but not the 2nd or on either of the off hands, not as punishing to crit on the off hand of crushing blow

[fickle forge]

But that's just crit
One time the stuff you want to crits, and the next it won't

In the end it all averages out to be equal to your crit chance

[elder wigeon]

rampage and crushing blow do the exact same dmg if you go by AP and factor in tier set

ignoring any other form of rng

both exactly 206.8

[fickle forge]

In which case, you should probably cast Rampage for SL, Enrage, not overcap rage and refund a charge of CB

[elder wigeon]

if something's at 10-15% I'm gambling on crushing blow to finish because if crit then dead, if no crit, oh well

[fickle forge]

Feel free

[elder wigeon]

proper play is rampage and just win off proper play, but if you're playing fury you're a dirty cheeser

[steep inlet]

https://i.gyazo.com/207ffbb1b8edcc610276f3983f48d54e.png

guys

is that a fucking paralel universe ?

in what world current lock is less powerful than fury ??

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/v0sfow/destro_nerfs_from_destro_pov/iaj1u7w/?context=3

they drive me insane

[elder wigeon]

destro definitely better, but they're getting overnerfed defensively for sure

[steep inlet]

yeah but read that shit

they say CURRENT pre nerf destro

is more shitty than fury

in what world

[elder wigeon]

well they're on hardcore copium

[steep inlet]

holy fuck it got me mad

i needed fellow warriors on that thread

[elder wigeon]

destro is beyond broken <2600 and pretty disgusting above that

[manic root]

hey, quick question, cba to farm zereth mortis rep, if im not crafting enduring blow on belt, should i craft it on helm with haste vers?

[raw summit]

reddit pvpers are monkeys

no!

you want EB belt

100% of the time

[fickle forge]

@steep inlet
I don't think you understand how hard it is to play Destruction Warlock. All this talk that we are "busted" and "constantly complaining for more buffs" just doesnt make sense. We are one of the few classes that FINALLY get to shine after all these years (looking at you MAGES ). Rotationally, its very complex for what we have to do to do "good" damage. Not only do we have to put Immolation on a lot of targets, we ALSO have to make sure our infernal AND our Rain of Fire is in the perfect location to do ANY damage. We lose everything if tanks move at all. Classes like Mage and Survival hunter don't have to worry about tanks being dumb like WE do. On top of all of this, the apm it takes to play Destruction is more than any other class has ever been. We are constantly getting FLOODED with shards and if we ever overcap, its gg (that means good game). When I'm playing destruction, I'm never not pressing a button while mages get to sit there and hard cast Pyroblast (3 [three] second cast btw [by the way]). I'd like to see other people even try and compete with me as a Destruction Warlock because they would crumble under the weight of all the responsibility, apm, and mental pressure it takes to pull off what I can do. Whatever, I'm out, I gotta go do some high keys now, pushing for that 2k (2,000 [two thousand]) rating, later nerds.

[elder wigeon]

it's really really bad to make eb on helmet

[steep inlet]

hahahaha

[raw summit]

you need

ZM rep

absolutely mandatory imo

[manic root]

fuck

[elder wigeon]

you can get away with making it on helmet but your tier set isn't very optimal and you'll be opting for a lot more mastery and shitty vers

[raw summit]

Since tier Helm is haste vers

[elder wigeon]

yup

and with no tier, if you don't gem/enchant vers you'll be at 30% if you gear properly with EB on belt

[manic root]

as arms i want vers and haste main stats right?

[raw summit]

Crit is okay too

[elder wigeon]

this is what I like

[raw summit]

It's a trade off of preference

[manic root]

yea maybe crit feels better?

im new to warr in SL

[raw summit]

i prefer haste but crit is cool if it kills people

[elder wigeon]

I like crit for sure, feels troll into hunters but it is what it is

haste is huge for enduring blow

and just quality of life

[thick reef]

He’s correct in a way! It’s the locks damage output and trinket that needed tweaking not there defensive! When I’m playing lock melee eat through you already, lock damage is insane even in PVE so not sure how that hasn’t been changed

[dark sparrow]

That’s one nice copy pasta

Also the destro rage for fury comes from the fact they don’t like getting zug zugged down and jaz constantly saying warr more op and lock not broken

[warped warren]

WARRIOR ARMS NECROLORD DMG HACK? 魔獸世界 110% MS NO HEALING MORTAL WOUNDS WTF?!??! 魔獸世界 ELO BOOST RANK 1 WARRIOR HIDDEN OP COMP? 暗影国度 ARENA HEALER UNHINGED ONE SHOT SPLIT SECOND OP BUILD 魔獸世界

[dark sparrow]

New supatease Yt video title?

[fickle forge]

😎 👍

[warped warren]

wtf

[floral ingot]

Sheesh world 1st mortanis kill

[wet scarab]

happy warlock nerf day friends

[elder wigeon]

I'm changing one of my warriors to human

[warped warren]

you too homie 🥰

[warped warren]

wicked, go female or .....

[graceful quarry]

why

[elder wigeon]

Because I like the idea of 20% reduction of cc on everything

[wheat jay]

so, orc?

[graceful quarry]

orc is only stuns

[elder wigeon]

Yes stun, the only cc

[graceful quarry]

but idk human racial is kinda sus

[warped warren]

🤓

[graceful quarry]

3min and only stuns

[elder wigeon]

What do you really need a trinket for

[graceful quarry]

cc

[fickle forge]

All those other schools of CC 👀

[warped warren]

nop

just play resolve

sit 8 year poly

[nimble jasper]

human+iqd

🤓

[fickle forge]

What is the super value you can get from IQD?

[raw summit]

Human iqd rele outlaw

[nimble jasper]

having 2 cc breaks

and still having rele

[raw summit]

Tiny bit illegal

[nimble jasper]

nah outlaw play emblem

cuz 100k hp

aint enough

[raw summit]

Ye but hpri

P sure Trinket change and stack nerf cancel out

And less stacks means Max faster

[nimble jasper]

the stack nerf is a meme

at most you lose 5% stam

recuperator conduit nerf also a meme

[raw summit]

What even is that

[nimble jasper]

snd heals you like

37% over 36s

legit nothing

[raw summit]

Ah

[nimble jasper]

yeah barely means anything

[fickle forge]

IQD breaks CC? 🤔

[wheat jay]

yes

[nimble jasper]

if you are in cc

it will get you out

[wheat jay]

it does like 20 diff things

[fickle forge]

Fat kek moment

[wheat jay]

i mean

[nimble jasper]

the execute apparently

[wheat jay]

it is what it is

[nimble jasper]

goes through los

you lose trinket bonus which is 500 stam

however

[fickle forge]

Guess AWC cares more about CC breaks

[nimble jasper]

probably

[fickle forge]

Feel like 90% of the ladder would fail to optimize it

[nimble jasper]

when you play at that level you live

if you can play your toon

people on ladder let people die

[wheat jay]

and main stat

[nimble jasper]

while not in cc

[nimble jasper]

true

i once last season considered trying giant eff you to rm in 2s on rogue

orc necro sephuz

with iqd medallion

[raw summit]

Sounds atrocious

Also mich do you think x2 Outlaw is the rmp counter?

Ziqo always wants to see it into RM/MLX

[nimble jasper]

might be?

outlaw kinda runs over mages

[undone pumice]

everything*

[wheat jay]

it was good in awc

[nimble jasper]

no more resolve locks on reset at least

prob actual suicide playing changed resolve into outlaw rmp

xd

just sit longer kidneys to get it gouged or polyed off

[fickle forge]

Run over
Mage

Pick one for your sentence

Never both

[simple rock]

what's outlaw evasion CD if he has good uptime?

ish

[fickle forge]

Met one who had it on 34 sec one time

[nimble jasper]

depends on shadowdust

or not

only time you’ll not play dust is 2s tho

[fickle forge]

Evasion into WB and then 11 sec before it was off CD he hit it again

[nimble jasper]

30 is a solid number yes

[simple rock]

that is so fucked lmao

[nimble jasper]

depends how much you hit into it

and if he has a true bearing roll

if he rolls 5 well

prob can just kill with damage

and not cc

[simple rock]

think i'm gonna make a pirate instead of another warr

all of this sounds too good

[nimble jasper]

its super troll into bm hunters

[fickle forge]

Sure thing you beta

[nimble jasper]

since most are too dumb to take their pets off during evasion

[simple rock]

LMAO

[nimble jasper]

so both pets melee into evasion

[simple rock]

if u cant beat em

[nimble jasper]

and proc the conduit twice

[simple rock]

I barely see BM nowadays

in a lot of different MMR ranges

[fickle forge]

I'll literally die on some 800 mmr hill than go pirate

If there are millions of arms warriors on the ladder I am one of them. If the ladder has ten arms warriors I am one of them. If there is only one arms warrior then that is me. If there are no arms warriors, that means I am no more on the Earth. If the world is against arms warrior, I am against the world.

[nimble jasper]

its a fun spec ngl

just

[near delta]

It's so fucking fun

[nimble jasper]

not fun to be on the receiving end of

[near delta]

Gouge is ridiculous

Gouge into kidney into blind into sap

[simple rock]

I just want to kidney into dr kidney someone to win the game

so meme

[nimble jasper]

kidney into kidney is only doable as shadowdust

default in 3s

2s you generally opt to play blunderbuss

or greenskins

[near delta]

Also shadowdust interrupt feels ridiculously troll

I should try that sometime

[simple rock]

yea i'd rather play 3s tbh

bored of 2s

[undone pumice]

the fact kidney into kidney exists

[near delta]

Is blunderbuss or greenskins better?

[nimble jasper]

kick into kick is dumb too

[fickle forge]

Kick into kick hehe eksdee

[nimble jasper]

blunder as kyrian

[fickle forge]

Cya disc priests

[nimble jasper]

also omnibar cant track outlaw cdr

[simple rock]

cya locks and mages

after this reset

[nimble jasper]

which is pepega

[fickle forge]

Imagine being quadrupple kicked by RM

[simple rock]

👋

[near delta]

Kidney into kidney then Kick into Kick

[undone pumice]

imagine being outplayed by a 40s reck cd

[fickle forge]

CS into kick into CS into kick

Destroyed

[near delta]

Tauren stun into poly

[nimble jasper]

kidney into sap

[undone pumice]

i think we just remove all racials and cdr from pvp

[nimble jasper]

haha xd non orcs

[undone pumice]

ez

[near delta]

BTW, not gonna be able to play until tonight

Somebody wreck a destro lock for me

[nimble jasper]

the mage in my guild for raid

insta went human

in prep for patch

lmfao

[undone pumice]

not even greenskin

[fickle forge]

Imagine not playing tauren mage

[nimble jasper]

i made a destro mald in 2s 3 days ago

ran through his char model

on 4 bolts

[undone pumice]

imagine not playing gnome as mage

[near delta]

Lmao

[simple rock]

tauren mage and orc hpriest

[undone pumice]

literally peak rp

[simple rock]

[nimble jasper]

you can see him stand there like

alright fuck this

after he gets stopped on 4 bolts

[near delta]

So wait you can walk through their character model to stop it

[nimble jasper]

and 1 fear

then gouged on a bolt

[near delta]

But not go behind a pillar

[nimble jasper]

into a kidney

[near delta]

Lol

[undone pumice]

hehehhe

funni

[near delta]

Gouge for resolve is poggers

[nimble jasper]

wws used to be able

[undone pumice]

having 4 drs to keep track of as 1 dude is poggers

[nimble jasper]

to disable root off resolve

[near delta]

Yeah till they buffed it

Is anyone still gonna be running echoing now outside of cheesers?

[nimble jasper]

granted i seen some feed shit on pirate

like healers who sit down for a drink

then i just vanish walk over sap them

[undone pumice]

100% destros still gon run it

[near delta]

With them taking way more damm longer stuns seems rough

[nimble jasper]

you cant run it into rmp

sitting longer stuns with no out

literally suicide

[undone pumice]

you cant exist into rmp

just run iqd resolve bro

iqd human resolve

[fickle forge]

Like destro cares when it can wall in stun

[nimble jasper]

why is dark pact

like 3 hp bars

btw

[near delta]

That delirium match vs kungarna was depressing

Play nearly perfectly as ret warr and got destroyed

[nimble jasper]

i forgot whos delirium

[near delta]

Qweener

And crew

[nimble jasper]

didnt they have an rmp

altho challenging kungarna to rmp mirror

prob sus

[near delta]

Nah they're just ret/warr

They did try double outlaw

[nimble jasper]

kungarna prob wins entire awc

[near delta]

But pretty sure that was for the memes

[fickle forge]

Qweener prob too busy smashing his keyboard 😎 👍

[nimble jasper]

unless they somehow lose to sk rmp

with zeepeye alt rogue

doubt it

[near delta]

Lontar being able to sham again might be big

But probably not enough

[fickle forge]

https://clips.twitch.tv/RichVibrantLegStrawBeary-lsMJ0TnoX538AKEC

@near delta

[undone pumice]

wtf even happened

hunter just refused to die

[nimble jasper]

doubt it

[fickle forge]

Man has 10 stacks of Death Wish on him

[nimble jasper]

whaazz has legit rolled over lontar rsham

while laughing like a maniac

[near delta]

Lmaooooo

Not that

[near delta]

Lmaooooo

[nimble jasper]

ngl

watching the higher eu rmps

compared to na rmp

feels like a diff comp

[near delta]

Yup

[raw summit]

Whaaaz rmp

[undone pumice]

DEATHWISH

[nimble jasper]

tho kasu jungle

[undone pumice]

[nimble jasper]

is also something

in itself

i mean no offense to chas but

you can see the aggression difference

when they play it with mehh

[near delta]

MyWay might be able to do something once BM gets two more +4% damage buffs

[raw summit]

Potentially

But idk how good they are into mlx

Also BM into Outlaw

Kinda sus

[near delta]

What MLX?

[raw summit]

Ok true

Will die

[lean burrow]

is death wish good with enh?

[raw summit]

sounds risky

you have enough damage

[simple rock]

when I qd with prot warr I played deathwish vs physical comps

force them to hit into bodyguard

[sharp meteor]

Feels squishy enough already.

[lean burrow]

[spice hornet]

was q'ing fury/ww earlier in season we kept fighting prot warr/arms warr/hpal and taht was so miserable. both were kyrian

body guard op

[simple rock]

that was probably me lmao

did we venn diagram your ass

[wet scarab]

pretty sure that happened to me too, 2 games maybe

[true sapphire]

What causes Crushing Blow? I only see raging-blow on my damage but both on other warrior in my arena

[spice hornet]

Running reckless abandon

[fresh horizon]

Did they add conquest boxes?

[full kiln]

where to find useful macros for war

[sharp meteor]

u play game then think hmm maybe having an @thick reef intervene would be faster than targeting them

or hm maybe focus bolt or bolt 123 would be easier than say fumbling around with targets in heat of moment

there's also just using bis macro

[simple rock]

[slate flame]

What is better for Fury, 278 PvP Weapon + 272 Gavel or 2x 278 PvP Weapon?

[sharp meteor]

Probably gavel

[spice hornet]

What’s for lunch today fellow warriors

[undone pumice]

gas station protein cookie

[spice hornet]

oh-

[lean burrow]

More rogues

[warped warren]

despair

[spice hornet]

u mean the rogues will be eating you?

because rogue cucks warr

[ripe inlet]

Can shattering throw break the MW Monk absorb? cant remember the name

cocoon i think

[simple rock]

it won't break it completely unless you have full cds

[dark sparrow]

It can. But I don’t think it shatters it fully anymore

[simple rock]

they buffed cocoon recently

[dark sparrow]

Damn remember the shatter OS last season

To bad I didn’t have my warrior geared for that, looked hella fun

[simple rock]

yeah cocoon is a huge cd

stops every go

[warped warren]

[near delta]

[ripe inlet]

So is it not worth pvp talenting into improved shattering throw against monks?

[simple rock]

maybe if you're fighting like mw lock or something

bloodrage or battletrance is almost always better for 3rd talent

or warbringer

[warped warren]

fury

[thick reef]

Can I do pvp for gear as 233 ilvl? I’m new to (retail) WoW

[fickle forge]

I can give you a tech my guy, it's always worth if you have a NF Hpala on your team 😎 👍
https://app.squadov.gg/share/SootilyUnstagnantMerrie

[spice hornet]

Hahahahaha

[fickle forge]

To make it worse, this Hpala didn't have Unity, so the summer dmg could literally have been twice the amount

[unborn sonnet]

does banner have any max range or if i press itw ill my teammates always get the buff too?

[lean burrow]

Yes, for lunch today we are the lunch

[elder wigeon]

need to be in line of sight

[sharp meteor]

it's like 30 yards or something but needs line i think so be careful around pillars/tomb

[wheat jay]

Less than 30

[sharp meteor]

is it 25?

[wheat jay]

Iirc its 15 yards radius

[sharp meteor]

it has a reasonable range

[wheat jay]

Ye

[unborn sonnet]

thank you for answers ;3

[wheat jay]

Once your friends have the buff they can move farther away of course

The range is only about application

[sharp meteor]

yeah i need to test actually but 99% of the time i just like move slightly towards healer and it generally reaches

only big thing was line

[unborn sonnet]

yeah wont be that much of a problem then cos im playing ret hpriest, was more thinking about ret dmg

[full kiln]

i need macros

[wheat jay]

Shouldnt be a problem then, as you say

[wheat jay]

Write them

Or google

Check some guides

They should have them

I believe pinned guides should have them

[full kiln]

only few and wowhead i cant view

[spice hornet]

is there any point to wearing sephuz while running relent

[elder wigeon]

no

it doesn't work

sephuz only stacks with racials and covenant soulbinds

IE venthyr troll warrior with sephuz has ~40% root reduction

[spice hornet]

wow

[thick reef]

love the Pfp, Remembering the legend of the Raging angry furious warrior BRUIN

[spice hornet]

he was in here the other day oyu missed him

[fickle forge]

Which?

[full kiln]

any bro idk

common ones

i got myself ones from guide

[wheat jay]

Charge+intervene+hamstring, probably some focus macros or arena12

Dunno what else you rly need

[full kiln]

is there a macro that swaps focus and target?

[wheat jay]

Bladestorm cancel on pummel/execute

[full kiln]

got that too

[wheat jay]

Swaps focus and target?

[full kiln]

ye

[wheat jay]

Not sure I get what you mean

[full kiln]

it means it swaps target for focus

focus becomes target

target becomes focus

is this possible?

[wheat jay]

Never used anything like that, so I don't know if its possible with one macro

Wait i think you can actually

But i think you could only do sth like /focus arena1
/target arena2

And then another macro for swapping it back

[full kiln]

yeah thats good i think

[wheat jay]

Im not a macro god tho

[full kiln]

the other one goes opposite

[wheat jay]

Ye but then its useless in 3s

[fickle forge]

Prob easier to do arena123 targetting then

[wheat jay]

Ye

Either that or do main target and focus macros

[fickle forge]

It's just inconveniet af for 3s

[wheat jay]

Ye

[dark leaf]

Why signet over Deathmaker? Random bladestorm is infuriating

[wheat jay]

For 3s you want arena123 to be the most efficient

If you dont like it then just do focus and target, I do that

[fickle forge]

Nobody has said that

Just play death

[wheat jay]

Both are good

One is more bursty, other is more consistent dmg

[full kiln]

i think ill only spam 2s anyway]

3s too complicated for me 😄

[wheat jay]

Do focus and target then imo

No need to overcomplicate

[elder wigeon]

signet has some utility to it not just burst

[sharp meteor]

the 50/50 storm on initial reck is quite nice

off global cc dodge

eat a bolt or disarm after using conq

[wheat jay]

Ye signet is also 100% chance root break on recklesness

But not like fury needs even more of those lol

[fickle forge]

Did you know Bladestorm is also 100% root break, even if Avatar procs? 😮

[elder wigeon]

against your kind, yes

[sharp meteor]

steel trap into entangle yep love it

[mystic barn]

what do you mean by your kind resune

[elder wigeon]

he's a survival hunter [means he's a rat]

[mystic barn]

oh ok

I mean artji doesn’t play the game

Ask karg

[elder wigeon]

still a survival hunter

[fickle forge]

I don't think you understand how hard it is to play Survival Hunter. All this talk that we are "busted" and "constantly complaining for more buffs" just doesnt make sense. We are one of the few classes that FINALLY get to shine after all these years (looking at you MAGES ). Rotationally, its very complex for what we have to do to do "good" damage. Not only do we have to put Serpent Sting on a lot of targets, we ALSO have to make sure our pet AND our Steel Trap is in the perfect location to do ANY damage. We lose everything if enemies move at all. Classes like Mage and Fury Warrior don't have to worry about enemies being smart like WE do. On top of all of this, the apm it takes to play Survival is more than any other class has ever been. We are constantly getting FLOODED with Kill Shots and if we ever overcap, its gg (that means good game). When I'm playing survival, I'm never not pressing a button while mages get to sit there and hard cast Pyroblast (3 [three] second cast btw [by the way]). I'd like to see other people even try and compete with me as a Survival Hunter because they would crumble under the weight of all the responsibility, apm, and mental pressure it takes to pull off what I can do. Whatever, I'm out, I gotta go do some high queues now, pushing for that 2k (2,000 [two thousand]) rating, later nerds.

[elder wigeon]

true

[wheat jay]

Ye, whole one root

[elder wigeon]

but what about deez [deez nuts]?

[wheat jay]

Ah ye you cant rly outplay those, you can only receive them from hunters

Sadeg

[fickle forge]

[elder wigeon]

okay just gonna harpoon his charge into a steel trap, okay he bloodraged it, I'm gonna pull a pro gamer move and stun it, going to tar trap off and hopefully bait his reflect off the stun, okay we got it, how about a full trap for you sir, okay he's out of it, gonna harpoon his charge again and steel trap him

[wheat jay]

Tar trap bruh

You're seriously gonna tell me that tar trap is a problem for fury?

For fury???

[elder wigeon]

tar trap to bait reflect

??

[wheat jay]

Bruh

...

[elder wigeon]

best surv hunters do it bro

they play diamond ice and run my healer down

[near delta]

That's fucked lol

It's like how good mages just rotationally ruin any reflect on poly

[fickle forge]

I never look at the animation, I just check if my omni shines on freezing

[wheat jay]

Ye cuz that's what people do

Looking at the animation of throwing a trap just sounds so stupid

[elder wigeon]

it's faster if it's point blank

[undone pumice]

[elder wigeon]

freezing trap should just have it's own animation then if you're defending an addon playing the game for you

[sage raptor]

I just simply pay attention

[elder wigeon]

kek'

addons are too slow when the hunter is inside you

[undone pumice]

kinky

[elder wigeon]

cast success = animation completed

[wheat jay]

If its so fast then you won't even react to it by looking at animation

[elder wigeon]

how do you think people catch priests or shamans with a sheep at the highest levels by getting them while on global?

[wheat jay]

Sheep is not a trap

Sheep is a cast

And trap you see on omnibar

Or weakauras if you use them

[elder wigeon]

again, you only see it on cast success and there's an animation for the cast, and if it's point blank there's no reacting to omni-bar or gladiatorlossa or whatever

every top hunter fakes point blank traps with tar trap on shamans and priests to bait death/ground/ward etc

you simply can't react with addons for that interaction

[sharp meteor]

hm

[frank knoll]

1984????

[sharp meteor]

didn't read lol

lmao people thinking it'd be a new class

[spice hornet]

my warlock buddy has demon armor buff

is it not gone

[sharp meteor]

No, it's gone. My buff is still active, though.

[elder wigeon]

[sharp meteor]

Oh, no, it's

a base ability now

[elder wigeon]

is the armor there?

[sharp meteor]

Sec checking max level lock

[elder wigeon]

if it's base ability WITH the armor we're in shambles

[spice hornet]

yes i am looking at his screen its a base ability or something

he switched specs and everything

[elder wigeon]

well yes the change is that it's a base ability but the armor portion is removed

[sharp meteor]

i imagine the uh armor is gone but tooltip still like this

[keen stone]

This new season doesn't include upgrade in ilvl for gear does it?

[sharp meteor]

my level 50 lock has demon armor with armor but not my 60 lock who doesn't have the ability at all hm

[spice hornet]

he died and it went away

[sharp meteor]

do u have to recast per arena i don't remember

probs nothing but still interesting

[spice hornet]

he says its not there

anymore

not in the book

[elder wigeon]

not a new season

[keen stone]

Thought 9.2.5 was having a new season? So gear from previous season is still bis?

[elder wigeon]

9.2.5 does not come with a new season

season 4 comes later, a few months

[spice hornet]

oh god lock is so squishy now

kekw

[near delta]

Reallllly?

[mystic barn]

dot / hot bug?

sus

[elder wigeon]

they removed demon armor

warriors crush locks again

[sharp meteor]

mm yeah lock in a spear gonna die insta

[thick reef]

pogg

lol

[spice hornet]

I played with a lock hpal in 3s for the memes and the destro was crying so hard

He said stupid fucking crybaby melee

Cause he was getting owned

[near delta]

https://tenor.com/view/eric-tears-gif-13869655

[spice hornet]

I’ll check if I can still chat log when I get back on

[lucid walrus]

gettin world server'd rn

tragique

[sharp meteor]

aff probs too squishy, destro potentially fine/good because they didnt touch their dam, demo looks good

[spice hornet]

ah yes i still have it

did some lfg with a destro

he was not too happy

[sharp meteor]

lol

lmaooo

[near delta]

Servers down?

[spice hornet]

not stormrage

[lucid walrus]

i was having that issue too

[near delta]

Ah just normal patch day wonkiness

I'm on Dal

[lucid walrus]

just relogged & restarted a couple times

anyone play into a vesper team yet?

curious if it still cranks w/ the conduit getting hit

[spice hornet]

i thought only ht leggo was nerfed

[lucid walrus]

didn't read what it did

[spice hornet]

33% to the cov leggo

shouldve nerfed the conduit too tbh kekw

[mystic barn]

oh wait that was kyrianspear that I gripped off moogoombooloo ledge

[spice hornet]

me?

[sharp meteor]

i hate moogumbooger

[glass orchid]

anyone heared of this pandemic bug

to do with hots and dots not refrehsing or something

that streamers talking about

[spice hornet]

um ive heard of it but we're nto a dot class so i dont care

[sharp meteor]

uh it can be bad if u play with say rdruid

[spice hornet]

whats that

[sharp meteor]

but otherwise yeah it's just no pandemic on most stuff

[spice hornet]

[sharp meteor]

u know how if u reapply dot it gets longer

[spice hornet]

oh yeah

does it for rend

i believe

[sharp meteor]

it basically lets u refresh dots without losing any

yeah rend for instance

[spice hornet]

Rend

[sharp meteor]

used to be it didn't pandemic for anybody othe than locks (pandemic was name of the passive in cata)

so if u refreshed early u lost dam

[wet scarab]

potentially sucks for locks too since they need immolate to generate shards

but yeah rdoodoo and afflock hit hardest by it

[elder wigeon]

human war feels awkward

[thorn vector]

is there no vendor to send conquest gear to alts like it was last season?

[elder wigeon]

nope

[steep inlet]

This is heresy

Why

[elder wigeon]

if you get disarmed you can't do anything but get pounded as a fury war

[foggy hinge]

and relentless doesnt reduce disarm duration. Even though in 9.2 they recognized disarm as a cc that can be immuned by fleshcraft finally. Maybe next season they will go into the code for relentless and flag disarm as an affected cc!

[spice hornet]

soo many boosters

every day i run into them whenever i play my alt warr

https://check-pvp.fr/us/Area 52/Soundsgood

[sharp meteor]

Oh yeah disarming human fury is death they just die 100-0 with enraged

honestly fury in general just kind of dies lmao

[spice hornet]

yeah i keep getting JAMMED on my alt

wioth these LFG healers

[spice hornet]

[warped warren]

🥰

[simple rock]

yeah unlike arms, the tanky warrior spec

If there are millions of arms warriors on the ladder I am one of them. If the ladder has ten arms warriors I am one of them. If there is only one arms warrior then that is me. If there are no arms warriors, that means I am no more on the Earth. If the world is against arms warrior, I am against the world.

[warped warren]

If there are millions of arms warriors on the ladder I am one of them. If the ladder has ten arms warriors I am one of them. If there is only one arms warrior then that is me. If there are no arms warriors, that means I am no more on the Earth. If the world is against arms warrior, I am against the world.

[mystic barn]

nobody here plays arms you fotm kids

[warped warren]

i do

[warped warren]

also, begone dk main

[mystic barn]

i main arms

[warped warren]

???

[spice hornet]

fury be feelin extra squishy lately

whew

duuude

every other game is something like this hhhaha

[lucid walrus]

got hit for a -110k ray thru ER and hpriest wings earlier

apoth as well

[spice hornet]

[elder wigeon]

outlaw ele rdruid is disgusting

[carmine canopy]

bois help me out, please. Played arms last season, was stacking crit, felt good
Currently playing fury but I want to swap over just to play around a bit with arms.
Cant decide haste vs crit? It'd be easier if I stuck to haste as my current gear set up is fury oriented and hasty.
But still I remember crit being very noice last season, can play both Kyrian and Necro. Current high rated arms warrs are stacking both of those stats. Just cant decide for myself.
Lemme know your thoughts.

[wheat jay]

Its whatever Play whatever

[undone pumice]

haste

also look pins

[nimble forge]

how are so big numbers possible? our execute doesnt hit so strong or am i wrong?

[raw summit]

issa lock

[undone pumice]

warlocks are jigatanks

[elder wigeon]

without demon armor they fall over, demo is still tanky though

if you kill their pet they fall over

[steep inlet]

Were

[undone pumice]

havent played since the batchie

[fickle forge]

Kill pet
Purge fast summon buff

😎 👍

[elder wigeon]

yeah or kill pet then kill it again

[elfin surge]

big dam

[upbeat sonnet]

Despite the 925 changes, Fury >> Arms still. right

[elfin surge]

both are good

fury prob better in 2s tho

[upbeat sonnet]

for 3s. with a mage or a shaman.

but 2s is probably useful

[elfin surge]

necro fury or kyrian arms turbo both S tier

necro fury with mage prob

[elder wigeon]

I like necro fury with mage

[scarlet zinc]

Is fury the easier of the two to play?

[elder wigeon]

both are easy

fury is very spammy however

[scarlet zinc]

I've got 4pc, should I go for offhand before anything else or is it super low prio?

[mint flicker]

Kyrian or necrolord for primarily 2s?

Also anyone know if it's worth using Gavel of the First Arbiter in pvp over the pvp wep?

[undone pumice]

necro

omega damage fae hpal + power infusion reck banner badge bomba

[sand shadow]

necro is overall superior in the current meta

[sand shadow]

the procs got nerfed significantly, but still decent afaik. If you have a Mythic one, I'd consider suffering through wep swaps after the first minute

[undone pumice]

i love blessing of cummer so much

[mint flicker]

I can get the heroic one just not sure if it's worth it

[warped warren]

surely not worth with hc

[mint flicker]

Are their any cool pve weps worth it?

[raw summit]

285 jailer weapon

[mint flicker]

I don't think i'll have a chance for mythic loot unfortunately

[raw summit]

then stick to pvp items

[kind sail]

I see some furys playing with 20% crit

And others with 6%

Are both builds good?

I want to focus on 2s

So i was thinking maybe the crit build is a bit better in this bracket (?)

[fickle forge]

Likely arms players

[kind sail]

Crit build is worst than full haste/mast build?

[fickle forge]

😎 👍

[sharp meteor]

crit might be from arms gear

but i think it can be okay in current meta with signet conq and low hp pools

especially if smurfing

[fossil mortar]

Propally+fury still a thing?

[sharp meteor]

probably yer

night fee and/or deathwish is what a friend was queuing into recently

but any sort of setup might be fine

[kind sail]

What are the best healer to play with as fury?

[iron tulip]

holy priest is probably the best but resto druid works well with fury if the druid knows what hes doing. pretty much any healer works though

resto shaman had a little buff in 9.2.5 so maybe we'll see more of them

[nimble jasper]

realistically holy priest in 2s but gl finding one that wouldnt rather just q with a rogue or hunter

just dont q with a disc

rsham isnt that good either

[spice hornet]

tfw q arms disc 2s

[wicked bison]

Don't feel like .5 is better then .0

[nimble jasper]

i mean warlocks arent as oppressive

tho bm got buffed

so 2s overal worse

[undone pumice]

2s shit warr bracket

[nimble jasper]

true

its fine at lower mmr

where healers just flop to reck banner

[spice hornet]

Don’t play 2s past 2200 as a warrior unless you want depression

[nimble jasper]

yeah its fine duelist and below

cuz you get bad healers who decide to tank your entire go

[spice hornet]

You read the forums or Reddit and people say fury OP man

Bakfneiahdhsoajwheidb

[simple rock]

playing against rogue rdruid or rogue hpriest in 2s

[spice hornet]

Hit rogue

Evasion

Swap priest

Fade fly

Back to rogue

Dismantle

Kidneyshot

[lucid walrus]

it feels like a mild improvement

[spice hornet]

Can’t trinket any of that

[lucid walrus]

haven't seen many mages crying abt deathborne

[undone pumice]

then guess what

he evasions again

into disarm off dr

[near delta]

I nearly beat an outlaw/hpriest team last night but the disc priest I was playing with just never mcd the outlaw lol

[mellow depot]

is still fury better than arms in arenas after the patch?

[spice hornet]

fury just better in 2s slightly

fury and arms are equal and have their strengths into diff comps

[near delta]

With all the melee cleaves coming out of hiding now that lock is ded, arms is maybe gonna take over 3s

[undone pumice]

arms = bimba

fury = bonka

[steep inlet]

Lock isn’t dead

Trust me

Thoses fuckers are still here as lock mage and demono

[near delta]

God I hate lag cleave

[spice hornet]

yeah i got hit for 61k 62k demon bolts last night

back to back

[near delta]

Oh right demo loves stamina

So the new trinket buff is pretty good for them

[sharp meteor]

yep yep we love that

i think decent chunk of locks gonna go demo

also if they get a necro bolt on a low health per ur toast

[spice hornet]

can warlock just have one time period in this expac where one of the specs doesnt have a cheesy ass build

[sharp meteor]

my shaman fed a game by not having an earth ele cancel on his alt

[scarlet barn]

[steep inlet]

Yikes

[scarlet barn]

@spice burrow credit to him

[spice hornet]

AHAHAH

[gloomy hamlet]

folks for solo pvp what spec, cov and lego combo would u recommend?

starting out as a new rogue

[nimble jasper]

why you asking in warrior channel

[raw summit]

sir this is a wendy's

[nimble jasper]

[gloomy hamlet]

daaaamn bruh

wrong discord 😄

sorry

[full quiver]

so

do warlocks get instant cast demo bolts now??

healer just got hit by 2 50k/ bolts

in less than a second

[elder wigeon]

where have you been man?

decimating bolt gives them 3 instant cast demo bolts

[full quiver]

lol so how do you counter that

[spice burrow]

you get a weakaura

[full quiver]

i showed the deci bolt stacks

[spice burrow]

and you track the free bolts

[full quiver]

but it looks like it lasted longer than aegis?

[spice burrow]

it has no timer

[elder wigeon]

there is no duration

[full quiver]

lol

[elder wigeon]

you need to aegis after the first bolt

[full quiver]

they 100-0d him in a chastiste stun

[elder wigeon]

yup

[molten jolt]

bros how does one find healers to play with

[lucid walrus]

lfg, do well, btag

actually had some nice luck w/ 3s groups so far but i've only had a couple sessions

[elder wigeon]

yeah, q 2's in lfg and people will want to add you if you're playing well

[lucid walrus]

lower cr is ofc easier to make a good impression

[elder wigeon]

warrior isn't that good in 2's though but you can make it work

[sharp meteor]

I've probably had like thirty healers try to btag me just playing 2s this season

but I already have two and they make me not wanna queue with anybody else

[lucid walrus]

keep getting ally tsgs for some reason

good experience though

[lucid walrus]

god weapons cost so much honor

[sharp meteor]

18k per hand

[lucid walrus]

actually egregious

least elite is useless despite being the most expensive

[full quiver]

man i hate playing fury compraed to arms last season

feels like there's no out play you just hit 2 buttons

[sharp meteor]

then find a ret or enh and play arms

which had the added benefit of shitting on all the fury warriors

[lucid walrus]

fury mirrors just feel like a gut check for disarm timing

sock the shit out of each other in opener & try to disarm both dam & wall

[sharp meteor]

first one to leap away dies 🪓

[spice hornet]

im p retarded, but does anyone find the boomy clone talent that makes it super fast cast lowkey OP

[sharp meteor]

it's pretty good

although most mooners not rly good about properly kiting and cycling clones thankfully

[spice hornet]

Yeah a good boomy is so oppressive with that

[fickle forge]

Don't hit boomkin 😎 👍

#Solved

[full quiver]

Guy doesn't play disarm still lose

[sharp meteor]

trance and bloodrage make do more dam

disarm not make do more dam

ook ook

[full quiver]

Twos just tilts the shit out of me

Feels like it's healer vs healer

[wet scarab]

The most tilting thing about boomy is why does a chicken caster have a disarm

[full quiver]

Lol

It fits druid theme

[wet scarab]

But all the other specs can’t disarm!

Or if they have it as a PvP talent they don’t use it

[elder wigeon]

that's what's really annoying about the fury mirror and being human lmao

you have to outplay so hard

[wet scarab]

Easy switch to gnome for Druid games

[full quiver]

Covid turns me into bruin

Lmfao

[lucid walrus]

no more fortnite

[raw summit]

no more 20$ fortnite cards

[upbeat sonnet]

pvp gearing. set first or weapon first? fury

[raw summit]

Set arguably

Need both asap

[fickle forge]

Weapon is biggest dmg increase

But ye they're both vital af

[upbeat sonnet]

2x 2h right. not dumb singleminded shit

[raw summit]

2h

All the way

[raw summit]

Nice axe

[late nacelle]

Singleminded fury 5% movement speed sleeper strong

Around the corner slightly faster

Trust the process

[glass orchid]

Literally dogshit cus you lose like 8k hp

[late nacelle]

But if you LoS that 1 chaos bolt you just saved yourself 40k hp

#believe

[spice hornet]

man the games at 2.1k-2.2k on my alt warri feel harder than 2.4k games or equal

[late nacelle]

Its the lack of one handers you feel

Embrace the smoothness

Embrace the speed

[spice hornet]

seems very deflated

didnt they fuk mmr in 9.0 with 9.0.5

[elder wigeon]

yes

everyone sat their 3k while I was playing against awc teams at 2800

I know more than a dozen teams sat 3k and never qd for 6 months

[near delta]

The thing about the wep for me is that it's only a really big damage increase from the upgraded honor one after you've gained a few ranks.

Whereas the set instantly gives you more damm and makes zugging fury feel better

[mystic barn]

set bonus gives you a good increase no matter your rank

weapon shines when you can get to a rank to actually make use of it scaling lul

[unborn sonnet]

orc v human considerably better as orc right? i want an excuse to go human but dont wanna totally grief myself

[spice hornet]

get disarmed as human

[lucid walrus]

there's been doomerposting the past couple days abt human disarms ya

[spice hornet]

it does blow

i was human in s2

[unborn sonnet]

oh fuck ye u right

[spice hornet]

oh and getting blinded fucks u too

[unborn sonnet]

yea u made my mind up for me

is there any chill wars playing with ret who stream

i am fucking retarded i need someone to watch

[lucid walrus]

think karg mentioned this the other day, it's probably easier to look for ret streamers and then peek thru who their warriors are

[elder wigeon]

revo doesn't stream anymore sadge

revo is pretty chill

[unborn sonnet]

ye u right u right

thanks though

[nimble jasper]

i mean technically

[unborn sonnet]

only guy i know is mud and while hes way better than me hes also playing perma double time warbringer and killing 1300 players

[nimble jasper]

human

cant trinket a bad cc like a monkey

if you dont have the choice to

[elder wigeon]

that's true human does force you to play properly

[unborn sonnet]

do u just default to storm bolt in 3s

i keep going doubletime warbringer into spellcleaves so i can actually hit ppl

and i cant tell if im permagriefing

ive been playing war for like 2 weeks so sry if pissbrain questions

[elder wigeon]

uhhh depends on ur comp

most of the time ur playing bolt

[lucid walrus]

some comps u just can't afford to not play stun

[unborn sonnet]

ret fury hpriest

[lucid walrus]

turbo's a good example

[nimble jasper]

if you're mud

you default double time warbringer

[elder wigeon]

mud plays weird shit

[lucid walrus]

thought he ran IV full time at one point or something

[elder wigeon]

nah you never perma slot anything in that row

[unborn sonnet]

i wanna play correctly

its fun to play double time warbringer but like

no point learning how to playw ith double charge then never actually getting to useit when im vs actual people

[elder wigeon]

watch mag, smexxin, qweener

[lucid walrus]

think it was a 2s thing, dno

haven't tuned in for a stream in a while

[undone pumice]

in 2s permaslottijg anythijg is int

[unborn sonnet]

anyone know if skillcapped is worth it

i legit fucking hate every guide being made by some middle aged swifty4fungamer

and anyone who streams whos good has sub vods

[thick reef]

Lolll

[unborn sonnet]

no flame to all my 40 year old homies

[elder wigeon]

skill capped isn't worth it imo

[sharp meteor]

Nope.

[elder wigeon]

when I was a 2k noob it did not help me at all, the guides for warrior were not good and did not include any actual advanced matchup specifics

[unborn sonnet]

ye like idk im 2.1xp but that was ages ago on hunter, im competitive n good learner but like

the information just is not there

[sharp meteor]

what info

[unborn sonnet]

can easily get to 2k just fuckin sending it every game i feel like but idk

what talents to play into xyz comp

[sharp meteor]

u can't write a guide for every comp/spec

[unborn sonnet]

is what im struggling with

ye thats why im asking cos ud hope somewhere like skillcapped would

[elder wigeon]

they could, it would probably be a 30-40 a month sub though with that kind of value

[sharp meteor]

it'd be so much time and effort that i don't see it happening for a small game like wow

[unborn sonnet]

yea i agree it would be more but itd be worth it at that point

if u played ret war hpri would u just default stormbolt? i feel like cc in that comp kinda weak

[elder wigeon]

Yeah you'd always play stormbolt with ret war

[unborn sonnet]

whenever i play warbringer doubletime it feels like my ret struggles alot

[elder wigeon]

too troll to not play stormbolt

[unborn sonnet]

yea feel that

[sharp meteor]

warbringer double time more of tsg thing

cos dk can control everybody

[elder wigeon]

pretty much

[unborn sonnet]

right ok that makes sense

and im just going enduring rage / slaughterhouse

swapping disarm and battletrance

thats not troll surely? or is there some illegal technology im not familiar with

[elder wigeon]

No that's what i usually play

sometimes you can't play enduring rage tho

or i opt for battle trance over er

[sharp meteor]

u could run trance enduring slaughterhouse every game and b fine

especially cos this season gonna be like last season

retwarr just kills everything except sometimes maybe rmp

[unborn sonnet]

thanks for the answers i really appreciate it

[unborn sonnet]

when cant you play ER?

[sharp meteor]

at the end of day don't think too much just slam dam rly hard

[elder wigeon]

RMP

[sharp meteor]

they press dmg button u press defensive button

[unborn sonnet]

yea i feel that i just kinda

[elder wigeon]

or a wizard cleave

[sharp meteor]

rdruid retwarr is like

the most chill thing

u just hit stuff

[unborn sonnet]

ye feel that, we got a hpriest whos not played in a while so prob a bit of issue on that front too

so if u cant hit them constantly u dont go ER right?

[elder wigeon]

if I'm the target, trance feels really good

but if ur playing ret warrior they're gonna go ret most games

trance is trash if you're not getting hit a lot or getting rotted

[unborn sonnet]

right ok gotcha

[sharp meteor]

yep trance is trickle of hp and rage

bloodrage good rage and root break

[elder wigeon]

trance is a way to combat the fact you can't spam ignore pain like arms can

[sharp meteor]

ypeyep

fury no dam if u pressin ignore pain

[lucid walrus]

really all we ever switch is pvp talents

lots of our best comps require stun

[unborn sonnet]

so like the comp we really struggle with

is like sp mage

esp if they have druid

have to stop clones and polys and we cant do both unless we hitting different ppl

do we just take it or do we actually have to sit pillar entire game

[lucid walrus]

splitting dam seems v v dicey

[unborn sonnet]

ye thats what im sayin

its like we try to hit mage or priest

and either the healer just free reign cc

or the mage freecasting poly

not to mention u know

mage sp dmg when ur not stopping either of them

[sharp meteor]

floating around and hitting diff stuff can be fine if u getting dmg out

[unborn sonnet]

ye it just feels hopeless

[proven maple]

I mean a lot of mlx matches have felt like I'm just lining 70% of the game 😦

[nimble jasper]

@sharp meteor me realizing why I've hated fullset s3 elite rogue on orcs

LOOK AT THE ANKLE

[sharp meteor]

for me it was the skin tone

just have a green ass orc in a black/red set

[nimble jasper]

it works ok

if you go dark green

imo

[lucid walrus]

if mag'har didn't suck it'd look tight on then i'm sure

[nimble jasper]

prob

speaking of skintones @sharp meteor

tried it on a non max level alt

mother of god

also today i noticed nelves also oddly have those boots flare up widely around ankles

[warped warren]

what iteration of the set is this?

[lucid walrus]

think that's elite

[raw summit]

Legion rogue elite set

[warped warren]

[runic galleon]

is arms closer to fury with the new patch ?

[fickle forge]

It is closer yeah

[sudden trout]

ive just swapped to human. do i still use the Medallion or do i use a different trinket?

[undone pumice]

medallion vs enemy rogue/mage/dudu prob