still immune to every other cc
#pvp
hexed ocean
How’s the buffs and nerds affecting fury ? 😦
elder wigeon
it's a nerf/buff they fixed battle trance finally
elder wigeon
I think that nerf is mostly to just fix the problem of pop reck -> spam crushing blow and winning the lottery for 20+ seconds of reck
elder wigeon
it's stronger
nimble jasper
yeah esp when banner is rolling
ember rose
near delta
This feels like me submitting assignments with a midnight due dat at 11:58 in college but dope
undone pumice
fuck everything
near delta
How do yall think demon armor nerf plus echoing being gutted effect destropalooza?
Seems like it will destroy the fotm chaos bolt monkeys at least
sand shadow
these changes
undone pumice
didnt they get buffs too?
nimble jasper
huge outlaw nerfs brother
sand shadow
imagine thinking that SND conduit and knocking 5 stacks off Brawler will change Outlaw 
nimble jasper
the game is saved
undone pumice
blizz doesnt understand their game, in other news AIR IS SEE THROUGH?!
near delta
blizz doesnt understand their game, in other news AIR IS SEE THROUGH?!
Can you not see air Hassan? 
nimble jasper
imagine thinking that SND conduit and knocking 5 stacks off Brawler will change ...
5% lower chance
to double hit with SS
sharp meteor
very light outlaw nerfs kind of annoying hm
sand shadow
this can hardly be called a nerf to Outlaw
that condi is mediocre at best anyway so thats kind of irrelevant
Enduring Brawler losing 5 stacks is also 5% stam 5% extra SS proc chance nerf
mild at best
undone pumice
its like nerfing vicious contempt i presume
undone pumice
shut up trauma
glass orchid
Holy shit I just realised
I was like, I can play resolve now to stop the locks chain stunning me with jnfernal procs
Since I didn’t need interupt protection anyway, but they removed 4 set infernal stun lmao
lucid walrus
Seems like it will destroy the fotm chaos bolt monkeys at least
doesn’t do a thing to proc damage but that’s okay if they just die now
only shitty part abt resolve nerf is you have to sacrifice some kinda spammable cc to knock it off now
can’t just kick —> stun
lucid walrus
“fury would be too strong if we bugfixed it” was basically a real quote from this release
elder wigeon
that SND conduit is fucking dogshit
at high ratings it'll cut 100k+ healing off the rogue, or per rogue if they're playing double outlaw kekw
elder wigeon
Legit retards lol
give credit where credit's due, don't smack someone for doing the right thing even if it's too late
wet scarab
they're never going to nerf outlaw because not enough people play it
my fav part is how we're buffing arms except in the parts where they "excel" which is apparently pvp
lucid walrus
it did technically just get nerfed, just not its most egregious facet
kind of annoyed arms is left out to dry too
elder wigeon
i mean if they made d-stance 15% they'd be fine
doesn't need dmg at all
or make d-stance 20% again and nerf ignore pain by 30%
lucid walrus
p much
frail badge
is warr or dh better/easier to get to 1800 on?
lucid walrus
they’re both pretty much all drool and minimal sweat
frail badge
Thanks so less complex then rogue for example?
sharp meteor
Wish my brain was big enough to play a spec as complex as Assa.
Your stun is up so often that it can dr itself.
frail badge
i think your being sarcastic but i struggle on rogue comapred to when i played dh and warr in bfa
frail badge
i should of worded that difererntly maybe, the only time i ever played rogue was this expac
frail badge
should i macro recklessness and conquers banner together?
steep inlet
No
frail badge
no? i though you should use them both at same time for burst but maybe im wrong
simple rock
maybe if you're going for 1shot and it depends if you're playing 2s or 3s but you can bait CDs with just banner
in 3s sometimes you can just banner your teammates go and reck later
for example if you banner reck vs priest rogue priest just presses fly and rogue evasions
your go is over
solar breach
If you have a heroic gavel is it meta to use in pvp?
sharp meteor
I haven't queued into a single person using it but it might be good, yeah.
heroic or mythic in offhand as fury might be particularly good
simple rock
think the play is to not q until update
locks can all jerk themselves off until tuesday
green wyvern
time to undust ret/arms/rsham on tuesday/wednesday
imagine poor frost mages having to deal with 3 kicks and warrior's spear
elder wigeon
if a mage can't bug your spear he deserves to die
sharp meteor
imagine poor frost mages having to deal with 3 kicks and warrior's spear
gate one spear
bug out of the other
or flesh>shimmer
or revival
also can't spear until they burn blink because they all have the weakaura that honks when spear midair
their priest can also grip them on the spear when it's midair
green wyvern
if frost mage bugs spear with normal blink you just stun him after
either way mlx will hardly be an issue
manic root
as arms warr, is it still worth to take def stance?
elder wigeon
most of the time yeah
ember totem
@Bernas#7047 yes
warped warren
outlaw rmp stonk 📈
why
fickle forge
So glad outlaw rogue can finally die with the 5% stamina nerf 😎 👍
manic root
do u use gavel in arenas?
fickle forge
If it's mythic version sure
robust vapor
Fury
Depths of Insanity (Conduit) effectiveness reduced by 50% in PvP.
Battle Trance (PvP Talent) now generates 3 rage (was 5) every 3 seconds for 18 seconds after using Raging Blow twice in a row on a target.
What are you thinking about this nerfs?
Are they a big or a small change for fury ?
Depths of Insanity (Conduit) what will be better now ?
simple rock
they should nerf 4 set tbh
infact just take out fury 4 set from pvp
make arms 4 set godly
fickle forge
If 4set was RIP then fury would be RIP again 
simple rock
fickle forge
Inb4 nerf so 4p reck only lasts 1.5 sec
simple rock
If there are millions of arms warriors on the ladder I am one of them. If the ladder has ten arms warriors I am one of them. If there is only one arms warrior then that is me. If there are no arms warriors, that means I am no more on the Earth. If the world is against arms warrior, I am against the world.
fickle forge
If there are millions of arms warriors on the ladder I am one of them. If the ladder has ten arms warriors I am one of them. If there is only one arms warrior then that is me. If there are no arms warriors, that means I am no more on the Earth. If the world is against arms warrior, I am against the world. i love #arms till my last breath..
simple rock
@ mod pin this
ionic gazelle
make arms 4 set godly
Who cares about arms 4set, if he dies like a paper
warped warren
If there are millions of arms warriors on the ladder I am one of them. If the ladder has ten arms warriors I am one of them. If there is only one arms warrior then that is me. If there are no arms warriors, that means I am no more on the Earth. If the world is against arms warrior, I am against the world.
simple rock
true arms warriors are the strongest, most tanky players in the game
you will never understand
wary tinsel
Okay, but I'm still glad Fury is actually viable in Arena for a change.
The more specs that are viable the healthier and more exciting the meta is.
warped warren
spice hornet
someone check on dewnani? he alright?
raw summit
Awc now gladge
scarlet barn
If there are millions of arms warriors on the ladder I am one of them. If the la...
If i have broken both arms, can i still be arms
wheat jay
If i have broken both arms, can i still be arms
you can be elbows warrior
spice hornet
this is the next leoww https://check-pvp.fr/us/Illidan/Tøkyøghøul
spice hornet
a true chad who really loved arena with lower exp players
did about 30k games last season
since he loved the game so much
sharp meteor
this is the next leoww https://check-pvp.fr/us/Illidan/T%C3%B8ky%C3%B8gh%C3%B8ul
look at this guys 2s
near delta
Double outlaw in AWC lmao
near delta
Oh is that why I haven't gotten any this season?
oblique grove
Where could one see the upcoming balance changes? I don’t see much on the 9.2.5 notes
elder wigeon
sharp meteor
bm buffs seem so out of place LMAO
raw summit
Kill me
oblique grove
Thanks for the link
oblique grove
I always like getting a good ret, idk if it is best but it a free rating
sharp meteor
best comp for fury 3v3 ?
hmm probably turbo, retwarr or fury/shadow?
idk arms seems better for turb and retwarr tbh
you just split all the fotm fury players in half
simple rock
I was playing unholy tsg today
it's a disgusting amount of dmg
but if you lose momentum vs any melee cleave it's over
u have to full send
sharp meteor
ya just kill somebody in opener if dk stuns/strangs healer reasonably well
simple rock
DK Just dies
sharp meteor
play like a bitch die like a bitch, gonna feign that durability and hope that they flinch first
robust vapor
and 2v2 better 2x dps or healer + fury ?
raw summit
healer
robust vapor
dudu/resto best ?
sharp meteor
hpriest necro fury
kill in opener every game
vs everything except rogues
just do NOT get kited/peeled on conq/reck
robust vapor
[Warbringer] + Holy?
sharp meteor
that's how i do
slaughterhouse/enduring then flex
bloodrage in general, warbringer for smurf burst
doubletime if with warbringer
robust vapor
[Deathmaker] i think better for me
raw summit
is good yea
robust vapor
dont like [Signet of Tormented Kings]
raw summit
whats the context to this
near delta
hmm probably turbo, retwarr or fury/shadow?
Fury/sp feels pretty underrated
sharp meteor
nf sp is cracked
sharp meteor
stats are imaginary play what u want
wary tinsel
Outlaw is going to get nerfed after this for sure
fickle forge
+3% dmg
raw summit
raw summit
nice game karg
fickle forge
BiS game
raw summit
double outlaw
wary tinsel
Why copium lol
fickle forge
At this point he may as well turn off his monitor to be literally blind
wary tinsel
I dont have any issues fighting outlaw at the moment anyway, they're just kinda annoying.
Most of them suck until they get super high rating lol
Resolve nerf is amazing though
fickle forge
Define super high rating
fickle forge
Nobody's gonna laugh at ya, but I wouldn't call 2.1k super high either
raw summit
nah thats fine dw
wary tinsel
Any outlaw without max gear has been screwing up something major with it that I can exploit
wary tinsel
N00B question, what does int mean?
wheat jay
Intentionallly fucking up
wary tinsel
👍
Yeah outlaw counters warrior
So many defensives with CDR
Their burst is way worse than ours though, so they can't afford to healer trade against us at least
elder wigeon
outlaw beats you no matter what in the war of attrition
wary tinsel
Yeah when I beat them it's when I can end it somewhat quickly to prevent the war of attrition from happening.
elder wigeon
yup
warm urchin
I heard fury is getting nerfed but I cant seem to find the nerfs. How bad is it?
warm urchin
Ty ty
undone pumice
i remember fightin outlaw today
several times they just only had vanish nothing else we had everything
vanish > disarm
outlaw hpriest is just
so aids
u bait the classic low cr disarm > disarm
when u disarm them then they dsiarm u
and they just are better
at disarming$
near delta
I heard fury is getting nerfed but I cant seem to find the nerfs. How bad is it?
Basically not going to have an effect
wet scarab
The fascinating thing about the balancing changes is that they still haven’t touched any aspect of RMP
Like good on them for fixing a lot of obnoxious shit belatedly but it’s like they’re beating down every combo that isn’t them
Is it an undiscovered Newtonian law that they have to be S tier
undone pumice
ye
cuz not having rmp s tier requires gutting rogue and mage
so far theyve only ever been gutted one at a time recently
indigo barn
As long as one of the classes are not f tier in damage, the comp will always be at least A+ tier
nimble jasper
Is it an undiscovered Newtonian law that they have to be S tier
also prob a weird balance
when the devs are 1600 players
and bad mages are legit worthless
spice hornet
Kek
near delta
I'm just waiting for the double outlaw mirror
near delta
I thought cdew and them were just memeing playing double outlaw on stream lol
sharp meteor
nah they have a complete kit so yeah it actually works into some stuff
undone pumice
fury so braindead op man just sloterhaus and crushij blo spam!! u hardatuck 1700 noob fury
near delta
Yup
sharp meteor
i queue into fury on arms and just split them in half
undone pumice
i got angry whisper from an ele today in 2s
near delta
Been trying arms again and man feels like fury rotted my brain
sharp meteor
fury is hilarious in 2s though you just run down non-rogue teams
undone pumice
imaginw hardstucj 1700 fury go rope yourself
then i hit 1800 like 30 minutes l8r
xd
spice hornet
fury is terrorizing the ladder, unfair op broken spec
completely ignores the existence of all 3 rogue specs
sharp meteor
fury is just what's overtly strong in the eyes of most people
kind of like how ret could be b tier at reasonable mmrs but the most complained about spec
because it's what destroys people at bunga mmr
undone pumice
sharp meteor
it felt weird saying that the three best specs were on the same class
but yeah that's the reality
for melee anyways
undone pumice
class just better ig
raw summit
class dff
undone pumice
trye
sharp meteor
oh well got my welfare dragon so can just chill until next season and maybe try league or something
or finish leveling my worgo warrior
undone pumice
dint
sharp meteor
idk killing people on teemo is funni
undone pumice
be cute faat furry with sword
spice hornet
In real life, I'm a former pizza delivery guy that has decided to give streaming a shot. Mountain Dew is my favorite drink, hockey/baseball are my favorite sports, and fishing is my favorite hobby. Thanks for checking out the stream. If you read all this type BIG DAM in the chat.
sharp meteor
blowdart rat
undone pumice
not me cuz i didnt main teemo
raw summit
nor are you my friend 
undone pumice
undone pumice
wtf man
spice hornet
literally nothing i can
do
just
fuckign
die
100 to 0
THROUGH EVERYTHING
Down from 1900 to 1750
Rogues and Mages
And then hunters
cant do fucking ANYTHING
cant touch them
and another one
raw summit
sharp meteor
almost got me
Dang.
sage raptor
I wonder what he'd say with all these outlaw rogue running around
mystic barn
zoaxes
near delta
Yea
spice hornet
I don’t think he plays at all anymore
undone pumice
good?
sage raptor
I played against a warr the other day who had a name kinda like that, that's why I ask.
elder wigeon
sharp meteor
love spending a third of each game in a kidney and taking my entire health bar while in it yep
spice hornet
Can’t even hit them during your cooldowns too
Dismantle
Evasion
Kidney
Vanish
They should have never gotten dismantle
Makes no sense because they already have evasion which is really powerful into melee
steep inlet
spice hornet
elder wigeon
every rogue spec needs a 20% damage aura nerf
nimble jasper
cuz it rips people apart in low mmr 2s
which is
70% of the pvp base
lmao
assas entire vanish sepsis fok meme
is some special kind of stupid
nimble jasper
yeah
im just saying assa will prob get more complaints
just because it has more frontloaded twitch clip worthy burst
outlaw doesnt kill you in 2 gcds it just runs at you doing a perma 6-7k dps while being immortal
spice hornet
When you zone into the arena and it’s assassination with a night fae priest
spice hornet
That one too
nimble jasper
i made a destro earlier
look like he wanted to /afk out
ran circles around him and 3 of his bolts got canceled
due to it
nimble jasper
i think best specs into it are prolyl
spice hornet
Real bad
nimble jasper
necro feral
and uhh
necro sephuz orc assa
imo
like s1 rm you actually had to burst proper to get cds
now you can force trink as rm
doing scuffed go
spice hornet
I like when I die 90-0 kidney no cooldowns
nimble jasper
i actually think
double outlaw might be in top 3 meleecleaves
atm
really fucked to think it that way
spice hornet
nimble jasper
altho ig you have to coordinate on comms more
since you got the first world issue of too much cc
lean burrow
if every spec gets the same representation is it the perfect balance?
nimble jasper
I like when I die 90-0 kidney no cooldowns
ironically it feels like sub is the only spec outlaw isnt a tank vs
simple rock
I saw mud get hit for a 21k 16k evis today
nahj hit me for back to back 21k evis in 2s
earlier
it was so random
just dance
nimble jasper
i think he plays badge
manic root
is the unhinged leggo good in arenas?
elder wigeon
I don't think so
raw summit
If you're playing unhinged you're playing arms
Arms without the legendary that makes the tierset remotely playable
warped warren
fickle forge
Where can you see these stats?
fickle forge
Drustvar i guess
Good guess
fickle forge
i think best specs into it are prolyl
Found playing with Hpala makes it a ton easier to deal with it
undone pumice
like s1 rm you actually had to burst proper to get cds
xd
wary tinsel
Yeah RM basically just wins unless they fuck up multiple times (gotta get through their get-out-of-jail-free cards)
It's quite annoying
smoky turtle
Whats the point in playing pvp anymore.
Everytime I do I just que into rogues and get sad.
fickle forge
Brah did you just join the server to say that line?
smoky turtle
I still don't understand what that proves?
fickle forge
He's got the new tag though lol
scarlet barn
Depression set in after few days
smoky turtle
I cant complain about rogues like everyone else because I'm new to the server? Lmao
Sorry didn't know there was a req.
rare oak
Gotta earn your right to complain 🤣
smoky turtle
I guess so!
fickle forge
More like, why do you ask us what the point is?
rare oak
Rogues are worth complaining about
smoky turtle
"Looks above about everyone complaining RMP"
"JOINS IN"
"gets shit on"
It's a rhetorical question dude.
rare oak
Or rather rmp
smoky turtle
Ya it was more overarching, I thought people would just kinda get it but I guess not.
fickle forge
Aight mb man
scarlet barn
Bad karg
smoky turtle
All good 👍
scarlet barn
🗞️
rare oak
Bad Razonko too
raw summit
D:
fickle forge
We need more tears on the table
raw summit
yall aint bruining enough
rare oak
I long for the day that warrior returns to feeling tanky and sustainable without the need for healer.
rare oak
You had second wind and i think the other one was called bloodcraze or something
smoky turtle
I'm still going to pvp everyday and get my teeth stomped in, I'm just venting lmao
wary tinsel
Can't speak for arms, but fury at least feels good right now. High damage, less tanky, but not squishy enough to just run over.
smoky turtle
From my very limited experience on war, I feel that.
raw summit
its completely valid to take a break from pvp
smoky turtle
I just want to get to 1800, that's enough for me personally
wary tinsel
What rating bracket do you all think the rogue teams become unbearable? I'm swapping back to maining Fury Warrior after maining Resto Druid in season 2 and haven't played enough to get a lot of rating yet.
smoky turtle
Are you talking about 3s or 2s @sand shadow
sand shadow
ah, 2s, sorry, I'm old and all my friends quit the game so 2v2 is the best I can get going lately 😄
wary tinsel
Ah okay. I probably won't have to worry about it then, I doubt I will get that high this season, I have a lot to learn about the game.
smoky turtle
I'm 1500 and getting stomped by rogue/mage but then again I'm only like a month into wow in general.
So a big lack of knowledge
wary tinsel
That'll do it
undone pumice
wow u bad
sand shadow
because I am a tererible outlaw player
undone pumice
true
scarlet barn
@fickle forge no you arent
smoky turtle
I'm trying to find a good addon that shows my enemies buffs/debuffa better
undone pumice
bigdebufs
wary tinsel
Yeah Outlaw is actually hard to play, so I don't think I most of them can become unkillable until higher ratings
undone pumice
Yeah Outlaw is actually hard to play, so I don't think I most of them can become...
what
sand shadow
playing with a potato priest also doesn't help tho. He's a firm believer that he can and should only survive Banner/Reck w/ Fae guardian only
it is a complex spec that's for sure
it's just so fucking good
undone pumice
u just win by having more defensives
sand shadow
that even newbs like me get 2.4
wary tinsel
When DH, Destro lock, Fire Mage, and DK exist you can't honestly say Outlaw is braindead.
sand shadow
Outlaw is just infuriating
wary tinsel
If it were, my Outlaw wouldn't be 1400 lmao
sand shadow
for the enemy, hence why it gets this hate
undone pumice
If it were, my Outlaw wouldn't be 1400 lmao
thats a you problem tbh
sand shadow
it is a complex spec imo, at least coming from a warrior
prolly not THE most complex of them, but for sure more complex than my fucking Fury atm 😄
wary tinsel
Well duh, but if it were braindead I wouldn't have to learn much to get higher
sand shadow
1400 CR sounds like you're terribly undergeared as Outlaw
wary tinsel
prolly not THE most complex of them, but for sure more complex than my fucking F...
This guy gets it
sand shadow
and play with potato healers
or are potato yourself
if you have decently high XP on other classes, there's no reason you'll be stuck there
arena XP is highly transferable
wary tinsel
TBH I am very undergeared, but I also have a lot of trouble managing all of the shit you have to do as Outlaw
Also just an alt, so I haven't exactly invested a lot of energy into him
Point was I could get much higher if it were just a no skill spec even without the time
sand shadow
managing rolls and SND was hardge for me too, simple as it sounds, but you get used to it
warped warren
I'm 1500 and getting stomped by rogue/mage but then again I'm only like a month ...
just learn how the game works and play games 🙂
sand shadow
for me, keeping track of my 3 different DRs is my biggest issue atm 😄
undone pumice
for me, keeping track of my 3 different DRs is my biggest issue atm 😄
the fact u have 3 diff drs to even track
sand shadow
is absolutely nuts
raw summit
managing rolls and SND was hardge for me too, simple as it sounds, but you get u...
p sure you can solve SND with a weakaura
sand shadow
it just took some getting used to it
raw summit
mine just say nrg/cdr/snd and shows the icon
sand shadow
because I always want to press different stuff, pressing maintenance buffs never feels good, but ya gotta do it
raw summit
yup
scarlet barn
Hey guys, i ak high rated pvper. Got to 2.3 k in the end of bfa with warlock but this season i wanted to try warrior but cant break 1500. Are people hacking me?
undone pumice
wheat jay
Hey guys, i ak high rated pvper. Got to 2.3 k in the end of bfa with warlock but...
yes
u got haked
sand shadow
try turning your addons off and on, worked for me
I wonder what Akrololz was thinking playing necro Assa... especially after seeing Pika press Sepsis Vendetta
undone pumice
🕋
sand shadow
undone pumice
mage priest rogue so weak pls buf
sand shadow
main rogue players in a nutshell
undone pumice
fury so op
fickle forge
now show mages and then priests and tell us what it spells <:keks:93623161085089...
Wish I could
undone pumice
fickle forge
You know where the graph origins from?
sand shadow
you mean who made the original?
fickle forge
Also it's funny because I guess that means it was only Golden Guardians who ever touched anything other than RMP then?
fickle forge
you mean who made the original?
Ye
sand shadow
those are # of games each spec participated in
so when an RMP fights an RMP (which happened most of the time KEKW)
it's 2 rogue specs, 2 mage specs, 2 priest specs
obviously, mostly 1 spec
warped warren
Also it's funny because I guess that means it was only Golden Guardians who ever...
in NA ye
sand shadow
5 RPS games were played, 15 RMP games were played
or idk, sth like that, I didn't actually sit and count
VoD is up on YT so you can count yourself 😄
sand shadow
oh, I think Trill and Sam played dbl Outlaw one game on Sewers too
raw summit
sewers is the x2 outlaw map for some reason
raw summit
ye the thumbnails on these own
sand shadow
wtf is flying towards that angel
sand shadow
watch the games between Kungarna and MyWay btw
raw summit
watch the games between Kungarna and MyWay btw
ripped them apart
sand shadow
and then remember how Whaazz has been talking about Jungle being a hardcounter to RMP for literal months now
sand shadow
that hype video was so awkwardge
thought it was supposed to be about Mehh
felt like most of the time it was about Whaazz 😄
fickle forge
Also what team didn't play on NA?
sand shadow
btw, the fact that the AWC eSports team tries SO hard and puts SO much effort into these
is bewildering
undone pumice
at least one team that tries
sand shadow
while at the same time the actual devs obviously couldn't care less
fickle forge
I mean I appreciate it
sand shadow
@fickle forge I believe so there is more to show tonight? idk
I mean, I appreciate it too
But we're so left alone it's just weird
fickle forge
Even though the game is miles off of being in an e-sports ready state
sand shadow
it's typical megacorporate tho, I work with such companies in my job
fickle forge
Only dev I know of and like rn is Brolinka
sand shadow
left hand almost never has any clue what righty is doing
meh, idk why Swolelinka is getting so much hype
it's like stockholm syndrome
we get 1hr of someone talking to us about PvP and people lose their shit
why am I supposed to like him if he has the power to make changes and simply doesn't
fickle forge
Because he's the literal only person we know exists who's working on PvP
I at least can't name anyone else
sand shadow
he's the COMBAT Designer
PvP is just under that umbrella apparently
idk, personally I don't think anyone works exclusively on PvP
and i'm not just memeing
fickle forge
Yah I think you might be right
sand shadow
if they get too many complaints, they get someone on the team to think about it for a bit
and that's how we end up with changes like the latest ones
none of them are original dev thought
fickle forge
Maybe it's time to go play Ring of Titans 😎 👍
sand shadow
it's all just half-listening to pvpers' whining
undone pumice
wtf is ring of titans
undone pumice
lmao
sand shadow
there's a reason such games keep on cropping up, it's a fundamentally decent gamemode
reason it looks like ppl don't like it enmasse is just BLizzard mismanaging it into the ground
hence why wow pvp has been in a death spiral for ages now
"Here's a game mode" -> proceeds to barely tune it and keep it fresh -> a portion of players stops playing -> oh, fewer people are playing now, so mb it doesn't make sense to invest as many resources and time -> a portion of players stops playing -> oh, even fewer people now, so even fewer resources -> a portion of players stops playing -> ad infinitum -> you're here now, it's today
steep inlet
lol no
undone pumice
did for me
sand shadow
I mean, it's quite clear that they don't have anyone on the team that actually has the means to push for changes AND is actually experienced in PvP
that much is made perfectly clear by the previous buffs to Outlaw that did not get gated from PvP, and from the upcoming nerfs that completely misread the fundamental reason Outlaw is immortal
just as an example
steep inlet
Hehe
fickle forge
that much is made perfectly clear by the previous buffs to Outlaw that did not g...
Then again, how do you reasonably nerf outlaw without completely gutting it though?
The design itself is an abomination
fickle forge
If your game is this much centred around cooldowns and proper trading, then why would you ever allow somebody to have access to CDR?
Holy priest, fire mage, outlaw rogue etc.
raw summit
the solution would revolve around a fundamental change of cds being weaker
undone pumice
warrior
sage raptor
I miss being the only outlaw rogue main in NA. People send me whispers telling me to play a real class but little did they know it was goated with the sauce.
fickle forge
Rn I enjoy being the only arms warr on the ladder 😎 👍
The voices in my chatbox has stopped
sage raptor
Bustin it down sexual style?
undone pumice
anger management op
fickle forge
Here I go
raw summit
Return to warrior glory
sand shadow
Then again, how do you reasonably nerf outlaw without completely gutting it thou...
Come on, there are multiple ways to address it without ruining the spec. You can lower the CDR on the Float like a Butterfly talent, for example. You can increase controls CD. You can remove their MS. You can aura lower their damage. A lot of stuff can be done that will not absolutely blast the spec into oblivion
This is not controversial stuff. We've known from as far back as TBC that no DPS spec should ever have all 4: Control, damage, survivability, and MS. A minimum one of these should not be true
lean burrow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09MIHZzwPVw&ab_channel=Xaryu
is it finally a good alternative to wow?
not a meme?
sage raptor
Out of curiosity, what's the hardest anyone has seen an outlaw hit for?
lean burrow
I instantly went to download it
sand shadow
Out of curiosity, what's the hardest anyone has seen an outlaw hit for?
my highest is about 27K I think
sage raptor
Pistol shot?
sand shadow
but overall, outlaw is not bursty anyway. Yes, Pistol Shot w/ greenskins and Opportunity and trinket/orc racial I believe
venthyr outlaw w/ dreadblades can be bursty I guess
spare leaf
A question for all my fellow warriors... Should one even bother playing a duoDPS comp in 2s or healer is basically mandatory to climb?
Im finding it impossible to sustain long enough vs most comps
sharp meteor
hybrid is fine but easier to learn with dedicated healer
like enh or feral can work nicely
spare leaf
Ahhh alright 🙂 thanks!
spice burrow
hi guys i am struggling with fury rotation does anyone have a macro or addon to help me learn
warped warren
hi guys i am struggling with fury rotation does anyone have a macro or addon to ...
yea, its called "play arms"
you know my paypal
🥰
fickle forge
Eyo this game has a glad mount?!
warped warren
Eyo this game has a glad mount?!
its minecraft wow, what do you expect
fickle forge
It's very much 1 to 1
Mortal Strike
Bladestorm
Execute
Hamstring, Charge, fear, spell reflect etc. etc.
raw summit
No covenant bs i hope?
warped warren
its a very poor reskin of wow
sand shadow
defo not like WoW Arms
Blade Vortex says it does 20 dmg every sec for 8 sec. Devastating Strike does 20
this is like wotlk bladestorm 😄
actually does damage
sand shadow
so one bladestorm is 8 mortal strikes
raw summit
this is like wotlk bladestorm 😄
Fury bs also trucks 
sand shadow
imagine
raw summit
Ye currently that's unparraleled
sand shadow
to anything it touches too, so it can be 2x8 or 3x8
raw summit
That's just so much
fickle forge
Right now I see MS, exe, hamstring, kick, fear, rend, slam, trinket, charge, intercept, intervene, piercing, reflect, shield wall, MoP enraged regen and some other on-demand MoP SW
Oh yeah and bladestorm
sand shadow
Chad Bladestorm*
warped warren
this is like wotlk bladestorm 😄
back when it was a actual dmg cd🥰
sand shadow
I actually recently found some old fraps clips from like wotlk where I am storming
from an old, corrupted drive that I managed to retrieve some files from
looked pog af
sand shadow
weren'\t you immune in BS back then?
warped warren
n
sand shadow
im oldge no remembro
warped warren
got introduced later on
fickle forge
Remember when you could cleanse disarm with BS in Legion?
sand shadow
or mb we used wep chain and that used to be 100%/
scarlet barn
Right now I see MS, exe, hamstring, kick, fear, rend, slam, trinket, charge, int...
So
We migrating
🙃
fickle forge
🙂
warped warren
or mb we used wep chain and that used to be 100%/
you had wep chain in your talents 
spice burrow
sand shadow
I actually recently found some old fraps clips from like wotlk where I am stormi...
wonder what possessed me to have my bars setup like this, justified left
sand shadow
not my account even
we used to do up to 3 glad boosts per day as TSG back then
piloted
warped warren
lmao
sand shadow
ILLEGAL
warped warren
exnosing yourselg
sand shadow
and we did it for gold that I then sold for money
fickle forge
What fucking class is this???
sand shadow
glad was % end of season tho <:detective:912341312907378689>
yep
fickle forge
Man tried to cast some holy stuff so I guess
Didn't matter since you're a Chad with 2 charge stuns and a kick in this game
😎 👍
undone pumice
sheeeeeeeeeesh
spice hornet
first game of the day on my alt at 2k
q into 2 blazingboosters doing glad wins for a 3rd
sharp meteor
There's actually a pretty decent chunk of people buying glad which is weird because it's freer than it has ever been before
spice hornet
lol yeah im just lfging and i cant really warn them
its an hpal
that plays with a rogue
sharp meteor
It's usually hpal sub and they just
spice hornet
so they always get the healers trinket
sharp meteor
1-bang somebody
spice hornet
and then 100-0 you with offensive bops
spice hornet
hpal plays ult sac and stuff
fickle forge
Glad might be the easiest to get ever, but it's still only a tiny portion of the comm that can get it?
sharp meteor
unless they can self save
spice hornet
to stall the game
sharp meteor
you can't end game fast enough
sharp meteor
i was gonna do that with buddy as either rogue/pal or fury/pal
nothing else to do for the next 4 months
wheat jay
Glad might be the easiest to get ever, but it's still only a tiny portion of the...
cuz only the tiniest portion of community plays pvp
sharp meteor
Glad might be the easiest to get ever, but it's still only a tiny portion of the...
nah huge chunk of people who play arena get it
it's just that few people play arena
probably mostly because of how awful the learning curve is coupled with the lfg/team aspect, like if pepole could throw their bodies at games with a solo queue system it'd be way more popular
fickle forge
nah huge chunk of people who play arena get it
It was like top 5% last season when it very omega inflated?
Of the people that played arena ofc
sharp meteor
higher than that and most people don't play
sharp meteor
kind of fried how top 0.5% was like 3k
and i get lumped in with all the apes that get it at 2440
sharp meteor
disgusting new system
fickle forge
That's still 95% of the ppl participating who don't get it though
fickle forge
Not as free as you'd think
sharp meteor
literally free
fickle forge
Christ man
sharp meteor
actual participation reward
just put it on the vendor for 100 marks of honor or something
wheat jay
if you played arms in s1 and s2 you had glad automatically kinda
sand shadow
it's whatever, if a 2.4k glad gets more people to play, that's a positive thing
problem is the ELO wasteland between 2.4k and R1
sharp meteor
yeah just look at all this participation
wheat jay
problem is the ELO wasteland between 2.4k and R1
well, that's how it works
there's reward for glad
sharp meteor
quite possibly the deadest season
sand shadow
yeah well, a singular change is unlikely to flip all the shit on its head
wheat jay
and then there's r1 which is title only
sharp meteor
problem is the ELO wasteland between 2.4k and R1
yep too big of a rift between glad and r1
sand shadow
I am saying it shouldn't work like that
sharp meteor
used to be people fought for their glad drakes right below r1
sand shadow
I know it works like that right now.
sharp meteor
now there's this 500-800 mmr rift of just nothing
sand shadow
I am not even bitching
sharp meteor
between welfare top 10k drake and top 100 title
sand shadow
Just stating an opinion
wheat jay
r1 cutoff is 2672
mystic barn
are there 10k glads rn wat
sand shadow
Yep, right now it's not so bad
wheat jay
so there's less than 300cr diff between glad and r1
sand shadow
glad feels like old glad more or less
wheat jay
so why are y'all still bitching
sharp meteor
are there 10k glads rn wat
nah but last season 2400 was like #7300 on na or something
wheat jay
ok
mystic barn
oh ok
sharp meteor
which doesn't include the people who tanked out
sand shadow
clam down
sharp meteor
right now it's 1600 or something idk
mystic barn
Last time I logged in I was like #2k at 2.2k
wheat jay
which doesn't include the people who tanked out
it does, down to 2375 iirc
mystic barn
Would be omega surprised if 10k people were at 2.4 rn
sharp meteor
there's like a wall of people at uhh exactly rival
u win 1 u go up a few hundred slots
wheat jay
cuz they get to rival for transmog
sharp meteor
er exactly elite
wheat jay
then to duelist for gear
sharp meteor
doin their wins
sand shadow
@wheat jay you okay? you seem Madge, friendo
wheat jay
nah just bored of people bitching here 24/7 for the last 4 months?
and it all comes down to people being salty that they're not S+++++++++++ tier anymore lmao
sand shadow
discussing whether the void between 2.4k and 3.6k CR should be perhaps filled by an intermediate reward is not bitching
sharp meteor
and it all comes down to people being salty that they're not S+++++++++++ tier a...
what does this have to do with weird cutoffs for stuff
wheat jay
cr reward vs % reward
sharp meteor
like 2400 would b chill if the season ended on tuesday
but top end is gonna be 3200-3400+ by end of season
sharp meteor
because queuing into literally the same 1-2 teams in the rift between
because 90% of people stop
is stupid
sand shadow
why do you assume anyone is mad, though? We're talking about whether it makes sense for an intermediate reward to exist somewhere in between?
sharp meteor
there's just a giant rift between two reward brackets
wheat jay
one is people trying to get glad, other is people trying to get r1
fickle forge
Eh, feel like it's 3 different convos going on at the same time rn
mystic barn
You probably only queue into those 2 people because a lot of people determined this ssn is shit
sharp meteor
yeah and by mid-late season they're too far apart
wheat jay
if you're trying to get r1, and you complain that there's only 2 teams playing at the time
then sorry bro but you won't find more at higher cr XD
sharp meteor
i mean some days it was literally just a series versus one team
and if bad matchup no point queuing
wheat jay
which is the same at r1 range
sand shadow
Yes, and before the Glad change, you could target a top 0.5% cutoff and that gave some of us a reason to keep on queueing after gear rewards
wheat jay
or even worse
sharp meteor
and with old system u had people actually playing for their glad spots
rather than just collecting it for free and quitting
sand shadow
Now that Glad is at 2.4k, and we consistently have 3.6k+ seasons, it makes sense to restore that goal
sand shadow
ok
sharp meteor
i mean
wheat jay
same as they won't restore 2k for elite set
sand shadow
thanks for letting me know, Ion
wheat jay
you're welcome
sharp meteor
actually unreal how legion elite sets are rarer than sl glad
fickle forge
What
mystic barn
They tried to do it mid season last ssn I think
fickle forge
Lol
wheat jay
what
sharp meteor
the number of people who got 2k during various legion seasons is comparable to glad now
and that's spread across all the classes
fickle forge
What source do you have for that lmao
sharp meteor
dataforazeroth
sl glad is like top 0.5% of all players now or something
which is 10-20x what it used to be
undone pumice
fickle forge
sharp meteor
wish i could put duplicate glads on the AH or something
undone pumice
titles?
