pvp

[spare leaf]

Yep - like onslaught which could've been made to work different/better

[undone pumice]

ye

onslaught a shit ability

give bacj furious slash

acc wait like

smf couldve gotten fslash

and tg onslaught

[spare leaf]

In the end though to answer this shameful display of design... Just take one look at the cash shop

you know what they care about

There could be known bugs for months.... no fix... 1 issue with cashshop - maintenance tomorrow

or same day

[warped warren]

what you care about cosmetics

its not the same ppl doing that shit and fixing bugs

😂

youre so delusional

[jovial citrus]

Best Horde race for Fury?

[crisp jewel]

orc

all day

What covenant/soulbind are most of you using? I just jumped into pvp for first time this season and was doing ok w kyrian..havnt tried necro or venth yet, have all to 80

Necro still the best?

[undone pumice]

necro gud

kyrian gud

marileth bonesmith pelagos mikanikos gud soulbinds

[crisp jewel]

ty

saw the pins after i asked...gonna give necro a shot...will jump between the two

is there any point where we can drop storm bolt for impending and use conduit?

i feel like between battle trance, impending, and enraged regen, and fleshcraft/phial, could get a shit ton of healing

[ancient sonnet]

you can definitely drop storm bolt. Can play and 3 in that row. I like double time with warbringer personally

[elfin surge]

double time warbringer is the way of the future.

Stormbolt is for primitive warriors

[spice hornet]

decide to q again casue im an addict

first game destro/vesper

second game double destro

[wild cliff]

Hoping for the day warriors get double time + storm bolt

[spice hornet]

stormbolt should be baseline

and for stormbolt talent they put in shockwave that will replace stormbolt if u take it

[blazing trellis]

Guys, to get the speed ring do you need to be engineer? Cause i bought the ring on AH, can i add the speed to it?

[near delta]

Stunning em is just saying "Hey I'm about to do damage to you". Better to be all sneaky about it.

[thick reef]

Dps switching to holy paladin. I’m like 2 weeks in sitting at 1800 in 2s and 1600 in 3s. If anyone needs a healer hit me up! Typically play in the evening. 8:30pm-11:30pm PST

[spice hornet]

[near delta]

Drain life goes brrrrrr

[full quiver]

sus

[golden bone]

I see quite a few people running Deathmaker legendary now, is it better than signet?

[sharp meteor]

It's a potential pick with some upsides and downsides.

The thing with signet is that it reliably benefits you big reck/conq window, whereas with DM it could simply not.

[ancient sonnet]

I personally prefer deathmaker. I don't like bladestorm procing when I want to control my character :/. But getting disarms from bladestorm proc is very nice

[sharp meteor]

its 5050 on reck

u should have cancelaura bound into all your stuff if you do want or need to cancel

[ancient sonnet]

Yea I have a bind for it but should just macro it into everything at this point

[nimble jasper]

has to have the speed added on it when its crafted

not after

[near delta]

https://youtu.be/bN5zsbkElxI

Oofta

[spare leaf]

You misunderstood my statement entirely. It was about financial department focus and resources. Not me expecting graphic designers to work on system code... Christ...

[warped warren]

yea and youre clueless about anything

[wheat jay]

Shop brings money, pvp brings embarrasment

[warped warren]

pmuch

its literally free money for them

[spare leaf]

no shit

[warped warren]

as if they even spend alot on it 😂

[wheat jay]

Reskin of something and one new animation

[warped warren]

🤓 heres the reason you should spend 90% of your developer budget on pvp 🤓 im combatant II peak btw 🤓

[wheat jay]

REEEEEE they spend all money on cash shop

[spare leaf]

My comment was never about them spending money, it was about their priorities

You're twisting it

[warped warren]

?

[nimble jasper]

why are people surprised

[warped warren]

isnt that the same thing?

lol

[spare leaf]

No it is NOT

[nimble jasper]

that a company’s focus is making money

[warped warren]

😂

[wheat jay]

And their priority is money

Pvp doesn't bring as much money as anything else in the game

[nimble jasper]

why would you prioritize a gamemode 5% of the population does

its just stupid from a company pov

[wheat jay]

Is it that much?

[nimble jasper]

less prob

[wheat jay]

Ye id guess its lower

[spare leaf]

It's about direction, ideals, development philosophy, i never spoke about their financial focus

i spoke about them not caring basically

[wheat jay]

Their ideals lie where money lies

[nimble jasper]

their direction is make more money

[warped warren]

😂 😂 😂 😂

this guy

[wheat jay]

You can argue and say its bad

[nimble jasper]

same reason why they’ve been dropping 6 month sub packages

[wheat jay]

But at the end of the day, its all about money

Pvp doesn't bring a lot of money, thus they make close to zero changes to it

[spare leaf]

If you honestly cannot see the point i'm making, then there's no reason for us 2 to even talk

I should not have to explain it this deep

[warped warren]

ur clueless

[nimble jasper]

Yeah this is idiotic

you think their priority isnt gonna be making money

[spare leaf]

I could say the same about you, you haven't exaclty been elaborate with what you said

[warped warren]

i dont need to

[spare leaf]

Ofc their priority is making money xD

Every company focuses on money

And that is correct approach

[warped warren]

you said

[spare leaf]

It's a business lmao

[warped warren]

its the wrong aproach

what

[wheat jay]

They can have good developlment philosophies, sure, they can care, but in the end, if pvp doesn't bring money, those philosophies and ideas will not come to fruition

[nimble jasper]

yeah also

[spare leaf]

see? you didn't understand me

[nimble jasper]

who cares about something that doesnt matter

like SMF

[mystic barn]

if they invested in pvp maybe more people would play it

🤨

[warped warren]

@mystic barn stop coping

[nimble jasper]

like….

complaining smf is worse

than tg

is so idiotic

focusing resources because snowflakes wanna use 1handers

[raw summit]

But muh tfury tmog

[wheat jay]

Ey id use 1handers too

Smf bis

Fuck tg for clowns

[nimble jasper]

theres a 1h spec

its called outlaw rog

[wheat jay]

But its rogue

Its gae

[nimble jasper]

-said by hunter player

[wheat jay]

And I don't want my arms to become weak

[wheat jay]

Indeed

[warped warren]

complaining about a cosmetic shop, wants to play smf for cosmetic value?

[raw summit]

This, but in a company where they steal tiddy milk

[mystic barn]

frost dk can wield 2x 1h swords for cosmetic value while actually wielding a 2 hander

get fucked

[warped warren]

i can wield 3 weapons on my fury warr

[raw summit]

But the fdk artifact has like 3 trash appearances

[wheat jay]

All i need is my one weapon

[mystic barn]

maybe ur appearance is trash

[wheat jay]

Wink wink

[warped warren]

🤓

[raw summit]

Dude they all suck except the hidden one

[mystic barn]

I use the hidden one 🤨

[raw summit]

UH has soo many better ones

Actually unfair

MT, BoP and hidden for UH all own

[blazing trellis]

Oh so you need to be engineer? Ok thx!

[nimble jasper]

no

you had to make the ring with speed

the speed optional reagent is from engineers

[raw summit]

While it's crafted you add it

Not afterwards, right?

[blazing trellis]

Hmm, ok man, ty again

[nimble jasper]

yes

if you bought a ring without speed

you dumdum

essentially

[mystic barn]

u can just buy the speed module off market

and craft it in

[nimble jasper]

ye

[undone pumice]

tiddy milk thievery

explains why warlock is so good

all of them were abandoned by their mother

[spice hornet]

rez leggo is so insanely broken in a meta like this its unbelievable

[elder wigeon]

lmao, not even sure how you'd nerf it

[sharp meteor]

"now disabled in arena because it's a 10 minute cd"

[undone pumice]

hey why not add lay on hands to arena

oh wait

[sharp meteor]

hpal topping entire team every 30 seconds this season is whack

[elder wigeon]

millions of overhealing

[unborn sonnet]

do we literally ever press slam as furywar?

[sharp meteor]

Nope.

[unborn sonnet]

can i just take it off my bars or

[lucid walrus]

ya

[undone pumice]

cosmetic enhancement

[rain ravine]

does jailer wep work in arena?

[undone pumice]

yes

[near delta]

So with the 9.2.5 rc out I guess next patch out in a few weeks lol

Destro locks untouched

[fickle forge]

Destro locks get Demon Armor removed

Aka go run them over

[elder wigeon]

ML with MW is suicide fuel if you're kyrian arms

would be super sick if I just speared the lock and he failed to successfully bug it out and his MW bails him out of jail with a revival or disarm or rop

[spice hornet]

on the topic of flarkness being a whiney baby, reminded me of muffinrat

[lucid walrus]

what’s the flark thing about

[ember totem]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[elder wigeon]

just press win + shift + s bro

[uneven hemlock]

What was the context of all that?

[mystic barn]

a bunch of posts on worldofpvp showed up showing flark degrading people

and dk discord

[lucid walrus]

oh. don’t most r1s do that

[mystic barn]

p much most pvpers do it

tbh

[lucid walrus]

the vast majority do ya

idk how r1s who play the game for 2 jobs’ worth of time don’t get tired of it

[mystic barn]

bc its their job to play it

through other means

[sharp meteor]

Sending school shooter tier whispers to people post arena game even if it's like a chill emoteless 1600 cr match

[lucid walrus]

amazing

grown-ass men

[mystic barn]

m*n

[lucid walrus]

moids

[undone pumice]

"people" (pvpers)

[elder wigeon]

some r1's sit in durotar all day every day on one of their 6 r1 characters to pick up e-girls and carry them all day at 2100 in 2's

[sharp meteor]

I mean like I'm queuing with a buddy who hasn't arena'd before who played poorly but we win and he sends him a wall of text telling him to kill himself. Not chill.

[nimble jasper]

which is funny

cuz wow egirls are tbh

[elder wigeon]

I won't name any names but if I go out there I always see that fucker with an e-girl LMAO

[nimble jasper]

low tier

[mystic barn]

who resune

[nimble jasper]

petkick?

[elder wigeon]

no names

[mystic barn]

what’s their name

[elder wigeon]

waterboard me to find out

[mystic barn]

I don’t think you really know

[elder wigeon]

good attempt

[mystic barn]

story seems unlikely at this point

[elder wigeon]

L O L

[nimble jasper]

its prob a hunter or feral player

i bet

[lucid walrus]

mes appreciation post

[mystic barn]

is it a hunter or feral player resune

[sharp meteor]

Feral players are a bit off.

[lucid walrus]

only dk streamer other than partywaffles who’s chill

[sharp meteor]

Mes

Is great

[elder wigeon]

neither, that's your only hint, but I've seen the same archetype as hunters and ferals

[mystic barn]

ok fine just answer this question

what’s their current cr

[elder wigeon]

hmm good question

[lucid walrus]

current current rating

[elder wigeon]

in the 2.7-2.8 range

[mystic barn]

oh my god

their current exact cr

[nimble jasper]

dk has produced alot of

“personalities”

chimpoe is an example

[sharp meteor]

Are you talking about bigman

[nimble jasper]

and yeah feral players

have screws loose

prob comes with not playing just rogue

[lucid walrus]

devistonia is a psychopath

[elder wigeon]

mud plays with very down bad partners

[lucid walrus]

LOL

[nimble jasper]

isnt devistonia

an mlx main

[elder wigeon]

MLX mains need to be caged

[nimble jasper]

or i think

[lucid walrus]

rn? probably

[nimble jasper]

he played mlx

then as soon as jungle became s tier in SL

he went jungle player

[elder wigeon]

if u main destro or frost mage sorry it's cage time

[nimble jasper]

only respectable destro imo

is thugonomics

[lucid walrus]

moonguard feral is a recipe for the most cooked player ever. not gonna go in depth w/ stuff said ab the guy

[elder wigeon]

thug is hilarious

[lucid walrus]

thug is fun to watch

[mystic barn]

caged in what context resune

[elder wigeon]

thrown in a dog cage

[nimble jasper]

moonguard feral

[lucid walrus]

i watched one ozz stream and thought it was hilarious that his mage sounds like he’s talking thru a jet cockpit

[nimble jasper]

enough said

edater type

[lucid walrus]

yeaaaaaah

gr*oomer

[nimble jasper]

when you fail to have those kinds of relationships

with actual humans

lol

[elder wigeon]

he called you a dog because he's a cat

[lucid walrus]

<moon guard ret war healer>

former guild tag

[nimble jasper]

wheres that

really cringe moonguard feral

on twitter

[lucid walrus]

which one

[nimble jasper]

idk corrupted andy

got 27 cuz of s2 jungle

xd

[sharp meteor]

Gonna need to be more specific.

[lucid walrus]

that’s all of them

[nimble jasper]

oh

https://check-pvp.fr/us/Moon Guard/Soaring

this guy

lmfao

[sharp meteor]

Oh muffles

[nimble jasper]

i dont think

thats the real muffles

is it?

[lucid walrus]

OH soaring

yeah that guy’s strange too

[nimble jasper]

psure the real muffles was a wod boomy

and big time memer

[sharp meteor]

Kept queuing into that guy and my teammates didn't like him so it's like oh sure I guess we're emoting him hm

[nimble jasper]

saw them die opener twice to fatrat’s rmp

[sharp meteor]

I mean that guy plays one comp like 12 hours a day

[nimble jasper]

true

altho eu jungles watching them makes it seem like

a diff comp

[spice hornet]

hate that guy

[spice hornet]

hate this guy too, always beat his double feral 2v2 and he gets all butthurt

when i was ally

https://twitter.com/realmakazarx/status/1528617660572835840?s=21&t=ha4-mZPJ6pA9VGQhsRfkLQ 🤔

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Twitter · May 23, 2022, 6:03 AM

[sharp meteor]

It's always something.

[soft zodiac]

why VERSATILE SOLENIUM RING over the pvp ring with haste / vers?

[elder wigeon]

speed

i use the haste heavy low vers 262 ring with speed on it

gets you to 120%

[soft zodiac]

ahhhh i wasn't looking at all the stats / rings i gotcha

i'm at 112%, is there another speed item?

I got cloak enchant

or is the rest from your gem + speed?

[sharp meteor]

Speed ring with haste is nice for fury.

Unsure if speed worth as arms on vers-weighted one.

Def a good pickup when gearing, though.

[soft zodiac]

gotcha, I just swapped to fury so trying to get my gear set

[sharp meteor]

5k for a ring you won't replace until maybe duelist.

[elder wigeon]

I'm not gonna run double pvp ring as arms

speed is too valuable and more than 30% vers is a bust

[near delta]

Oh God the dk disc must have been awk

[near delta]

DKs man

Whatcha hiding @mystic barn?

[mystic barn]

your cr

[near delta]

Um ok

[blazing trellis]

wt you guys think its better to climb low CR (to 1800), Kyrian or Necro?

[sharp meteor]

I just go necro and kill everybody in the opener

[elder wigeon]

in what 2's?

[spice hornet]

why would you want to play the hunter rogue bracket

[sharp meteor]

I have a hard time going back to Arms in 2s when Necro Fury exists

[sharp meteor]

this is true, though

[blazing trellis]

3s

[fickle forge]

Sheesh 2s arms 👀

[hazy breach]

is resolve trinket worth on warr?

i heard its good so you can just blast during your go

[mystic barn]

@elder wigeon do u know any r1s that mayhaps sit in durotar all day every day on one of their 6 r1 cahractes to pick up e-girls and carry them all day at 2100 in 2's?

[warm pollen]

@elder wigeon u there? i need to ask a question lol

[elder wigeon]

sup

[elder wigeon]

i do

[spice hornet]

lol

d

[sharp meteor]

Gee gosh I sure wish I had a 6-7 second stun on a 20s cd that came as a baseline ability and didn't require giving up a massive heal or more mobility, haha.

[warm pollen]

i had like 30% vers 30% mastery 30% haste but i just crafted unity on wrist etc, trying to copy your build xD

and now im down in haste for some reason but i have exactly same pieces i think

lemmie show u

[mystic barn]

oh my god copying resune is doomed from the start

[warm pollen]

hahahahaha

[elder wigeon]

arms in shambles

[warm pollen]

https://check-pvp.fr/us/Bleeding Hollow/Smokingmachn

@elder wigeon

can u check my gear on that link?

or u need the wow armory one? xD

[elder wigeon]

i got it, what's your question?

you're also wearing 5 tier pieces

[sharp meteor]

hm

[elder wigeon]

swap the legs out for haste or mast pvp

[warm pollen]

can u refresh it ?

yeah i did

[mystic barn]

hm

[sharp meteor]

5/5 and duelist

[elder wigeon]

it's not refreshing atm

[warm pollen]

still im at 34 vers 27 haste 27 mastery for some reason

[sharp meteor]

but 1600 3s

hm

[warm pollen]

when i was like 30 30 30 i dunno what changed lol

[mystic barn]

link ur warrior teapot

[elder wigeon]

because you're running a pvp ring with signet

I run oxxen

[warm pollen]

whats oxxen?

the ah one ?

[elder wigeon]

crafted ring

[mystic barn]

yes

[warm pollen]

auction house one ?

[elder wigeon]

haste heavy low vers

[warm pollen]

😮

is it worth it even if its 262?

[elder wigeon]

I think so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[warm pollen]

vs 272 mine

ty

i think i have one too

[elder wigeon]

I'm not a ret warrior god like i used to be, i bottom feed for q's rn

[mystic barn]

i thought u were a kitty god

[elder wigeon]

imagine a feral stopping the jungle q's to play with an op warrior

[warm pollen]

xD

[mystic barn]

why not just queue with an spriest lmao

[warm pollen]

i might buy one of those rings i guess

[mystic barn]

morons are sleeping on it

[elder wigeon]

all ferals know is q jungle eat hot chip and lie

L O L sp war is so bad man it's sooo bad

[mystic barn]

it is not

[elder wigeon]

I've played it this season already

[sharp meteor]

sp warr is fine/good

[mystic barn]

u didnt play it correctly then

just blast with psyfiend slaughterhouse

[elder wigeon]

unforch

[sharp meteor]

reck cdr ru ins people

[warm pollen]

prefer destro lock warrior 😄

[sharp meteor]

sp also can't die

and everybody hits sp

[elder wigeon]

all the sp's are in shambles

crying on twitter

[mystic barn]

see

sp and warrior go hand in hand

perfect couple

[sharp meteor]

yeah because their s++ tier caster for 2 seasons

dialed back a notch

[warm pollen]

yo resune so the only difference is that ring ?

[elder wigeon]

lmao

[warm pollen]

i'll buy and see if it works

to get the 30 30 30

xd

[elder wigeon]

from a quick glance, yeah

[warm pollen]

if i buy that ring from ah? 2nd stat is random?

lol

[mystic barn]

no

[sharp meteor]

Yes. No.

[warm pollen]

so i have to buy many of them until i get the vers one? or ?

lol

[mystic barn]

its whatever someone crafted it with

[sharp meteor]

Also two pieces aren't fixing whatever it is that you're doing.

[mystic barn]

no..

[warm pollen]

all i see is haste+ random stat

[mystic barn]

manually look at a ring

simply

[elder wigeon]

it says item is "random" because it's a crafted piece that can have random or determined rolls

the ring you buy already has set stats

I would not use a crafted ring if it doesn't have the 82 speed on it

only part of it that makes it worth, otherwise a mythic+ ring would be better imo

[mystic barn]

i invested like 400k into ring crafting right at start of s3 then lost all my money

NOBODY BOUGHT MY RINGS

[elder wigeon]

sadge

[warm pollen]

😮

[warm pollen]

i dont see any like that one on ah

[elder wigeon]

might have to find someone to make it

it's not make or break

[mystic barn]

if you can craft a ring then buy the reagent for speed

simple and cheap grinding it up rn

resune wat do

[warm pollen]

i can't craft but i can buy from ah lol

can i apply the reagent?

[mystic barn]

just craft on ur alt

no

u stick the reagent into the ring when ur crafting it

[warm pollen]

i dont know how to do that xd

[mystic barn]

talk to a jewelcrafter npc

then hit k

buy mats that shows you the levels you get for upgrading jewelcrafting

[warm pollen]

ill just ask someone in trade chat xd

[mystic barn]

yea

or do that

fk u resune answer my question

[warm pollen]

i found one in ah!

with +82 speed

is it that one ?

[elder wigeon]

yes that's correct

[warm pollen]

ty bro

[warm pollen]

31 haste 28 mastery 31 vers now xd

hope thats alright

lol

[elder wigeon]

close enough

[blazing trellis]

fury 2v2 yall use signet or deathmaker?

[elder wigeon]

whatever you prefer

[sharp meteor]

they're both nice in different ways

games are fast and people die so signet is good for reliably juicing banner/reck

[warm pollen]

i like signet

haven't tried deathmaker yet tho

[sharp meteor]

if they can stop your big go and you just wanna apply siegebreaker sometimes to dump rampage into ragings blows then that's also nice

queued into one fury/sp who'd always play deathmaker and they're still doing quite well

[blazing trellis]

yeah i never tried dm

[near delta]

I feel like DMs damage profile really complements caster/melee comps

[mystic barn]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

😡

[elder wigeon]

same bro

[wet scarab]

My disc priest finally rage quit today

I’m down to one resto druid

[sharp meteor]

shadowlands hittin some people hard

[wet scarab]

A priest is complaining?

Lol cleaving dog shit player

How dare you press that one shot sweeping strikes button

[sharp meteor]

i feel it in my soul

[mystic barn]

no duck december pls

[sage raptor]

When QCP said "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa", I felt that.

[nimble jasper]

oh that guy

hes dmed r1s questionable shit too

guy has issues

[warped warren]

[dry thunder]

What do you do as a fury warrior when youre getting trained

I feel like I die so fast even through ER n Shout

[simple rock]

did he ignore u before you could reply something funny

that's the classic salty pvper

they have to get the last word in

[elder wigeon]

trade defensive cd's perfectly and coordinate peels and team cd's really well

[graceful quarry]

i have a folder with screens of things like that

[elfin surge]

flarkness dm fr

[fickle forge]

@white briar Trying to figure some MMR/rating formulas, do you know what's the determining factor for whether you lose/gain 0 rating after losing/winning vs a team? You use it for your rating calculator here, but how can I tell whether it'd be -6 or -0? Or is it just an unknown factor for when you reach that breakpoint?

[white briar]

I could never figure that out. I'm expecting it has something to do with a person's individual MMR, which isn't observable.

[fickle forge]

Unfortunate

[white briar]

if you work it out, lmk

[spice hornet]

some hidden magic in those formulas

earlier this season played all games with my healer and we lost to a much higher mmr team and he loses 0 and I lost 13 yet we were the same rating all games plaeyd together

[near delta]

You queued up legit all your games?

[spice hornet]

it was the begin of the season

[near delta]

Did you have significantly different ratings at the end of last season?

[spice hornet]

no we played together til the very end pretty much

[spice hornet]

why do i play this season

now its a bunch of vesper ele destro comps

[dark leaf]

Easiest way to target the Soul Frag from the Gavel of the First Arbiter?

[zealous bloom]

What would you say are best 2 pvp fury trinkets to use?

[fickle forge]

Why do you?

Engage the Chad improvement mindset fam

[raw summit]

Trinket tuning: pvp nerfs
bunch of raid trinket changes

GOD fucking kill me

[warped warren]

what else would they tune loool

[near delta]

At least they're getting rid of demon armor. Gonna mow over all those destro locks

[warped warren]

in 925?

[near delta]

Yup for destro and aff

Massive nerf to the fotm locks that just sit there tanking damage lol

[warped warren]

surely the armor gone is gonna make them die

[undone pumice]

Demon Armor
Increases maximum health by 10%.
Armor increased by 160%.

huge

[fickle forge]

It's actually pretty big

Like 25% to 10% or something like that

20% less effective hp

[undone pumice]

its like going from

tg

to smf

[spice hornet]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/news/us/shadowlands-9-2-5-content-update-arrives-may-31-23801631

I called it 🙂

[full quiver]

Dang so cross-section next week

[near delta]

Gnome alt here I come

[raw summit]

@mystic barn opinion on dk change?

[mystic barn]

which one

[raw summit]

Amz thing

[undone pumice]

its a buff

its from 20 to 50

[raw summit]

I cant read then

[undone pumice]

TRUE

[wet scarab]

man an entire mid-tier patch and still no pvp tuning?

[mystic barn]

yea but removal from 80% zone

its a healthy change

just make some of the caster classes more healthy to play against

lets me take more dam in games so i dont mind

[raw summit]

Gee that holy nerf sure is something

[undone pumice]

[robust vapor]

2v2 fury [Deathmaker] > [Signet of Tormented Kings]?

what are you thinking

[raw summit]

Both good

I was using Signet since it was more oneshotty than DM in the last games i played

[robust vapor]

wonder what is better

[raw summit]

No clear winner

[robust vapor]

never cancel bladestorm?

[sharp meteor]

I generally murder people in conq/reck so I play signet to further juice that.

if I feel like I'm going to get cucked on my big go then I'll go deathmaker/sephuz.

although second storm can be super nice for dodging cc.

[raw summit]

Cancel bs when you wanna do something else

Like Rampage

Or pummel

Or intervene

Or whatever

[robust vapor]

what stats are biss now still vers?

or 33% is enought

[sharp meteor]

haste good, vers good, mastery also good

[robust vapor]

27% haste 25 % mastery 33 % vers

12 % crit

[sharp meteor]

ya that's fine

[robust vapor]

crit sux now?

better push mastery

?

[raw summit]

Fury doesnt like crit

[sharp meteor]

so with conq reck double time warbringer signet i think crit might actually b fine

although the conservative thing is just focusing on haste for slaughterhouse uptime

[raw summit]

Doesnt like crit as much

[sharp meteor]

u will always have rage for rampages during cds

[raw summit]

Haste is like cocaine

I need it

[uncut pollen]

dumbass question but can fury enrage be soothed

[raw summit]

Yes

[uncut pollen]

im assuming no reason to but its possible

[robust vapor]

hehe

Phil you are fu.cker 😄

need more haste

[near delta]

Those charge crits are niceee

[neon shell]

anyone knows of a good addon to mark your target automatically? my vision sucks, and sometimes in arena I lose my target 😦

[raw summit]

No marking in arena

Just dont work

Id recommend getting a proper nameplate addon

Maybe bajheeras threatplates

[thick reef]

Good chance conquest boxes are dripping in 9.2.5? Before I grind my life away 😂

[raw summit]

Not good chance

Not noted in patch notes

[near delta]

Probably don't come till season 4 which isn't going to be for a few months

[neon shell]

got it, thank you

[raw summit]

So threatplates addon and then bajheeras Profile which is in his UI video

[neon shell]

ill check it now

[spice hornet]

can they at least make spell reflect reflect spells for 1 second

so sick of fire mages just fire blasting it off mid poly cast

right at the end of the cast

[sharp meteor]

Fuckin' Kevin.

[spice hornet]

spell reflecting the midngames nvm kevin

have had that happen 2 times or so last season

[warped warren]

[undone pumice]

spell reflect chaos bolt

nvm shadow word pain

[warped warren]

nvm imp fire bolt

[undone pumice]

nvm wrong chaos bolt

[near delta]

Idiot reflected the chaos bolt when he should have reflected the chaos bolt

[mild thunder]

reverting it back to one spell is one of the best things they did

[undone pumice]

😎 👍

[spice hornet]

bait?

[undone pumice]

maybe

not when chaos bolt is isntant tho

[lucid walrus]

thunder feels good til you're the one getting ran at

[elder wigeon]

even though arms takes more dam than fury, it definitely feels worse to be tunneled as fury

[lucid walrus]

dead the whole game

[elder wigeon]

would've been nice for blizzard to have made d-stance 10/10

but changing more than 1 thing in a .5 patch is a tall order for blizzard I guess

[lucid walrus]

oh ok it's not helped by the fact that other eles heal for 200k in sub-90sec games

whereas this dude doesn't even have stream or earth shield bound

[mystic barn]

https://tenor.com/view/youknow-you-gif-19056787

[near delta]

They'll change it in 10.4

[elder wigeon]

.4 patch pog

[wheat jay]

YO

https://youtu.be/3kD3wqfc5dc

[raw summit]

Ye this bangs

Ngl

[wheat jay]

This is some good trailer for awc

Shit's mad lit

[raw summit]

I love how they Show war n dh and cdews shaman

When it's gonna be all hpriest

[wheat jay]

I mean

Assignment was, give us good pvp trailer

That's A+

[raw summit]

Agree

[wheat jay]

I love the angry tauren at the end

Charging at some leather

[elder wigeon]

other than the dogshit mogs I saw, not bad

[raw summit]

I wonder who that tauren is supposed to be

[wheat jay]

Lol mogs are good

Hunter on the left, from first team is similar to mine

[nimble jasper]

blizz stealing one of my mogs for thumbnail

smh

[wheat jay]

Lmao

[near delta]

That was dope!

The mixed faction teams was a cool touch too

[nimble jasper]

blizz not realizing its gonna be

orcs

with 1-2 humans and nelves

[elder wigeon]

human is throw

nelf or orc

[nimble jasper]

human priest?

or nelf priest

[elder wigeon]

nelf

[spice hornet]

Heh

A boomy tried cheesing that on me in some 2s today

He hit a 45k star surge

Like what

Stealth, made after bombs, picked one@up and ran it into me with trinket convoke

Star bombs*

never knew a single starsurge could hit that hard

[undone pumice]

bomba

[elder wigeon]

yeah that's what stacking mastery and badge does to a MF

you get like 450 mastery from convoke as well

9.2.5 comes out -> swap to night elf -> nelf the kidney -> outlaw vanishes and kidneys me for 7 seconds -> uninstall

[mystic barn]

when are you going to play destro

[elder wigeon]

i am a man of principle

[mystic barn]

but you play fury

[elder wigeon]

as i recall I've played arms the last few sessions

[mystic barn]

source?

[elder wigeon]

sauce: you're a dk

[mystic barn]

i main arms now

[elder wigeon]

nice try

[spice hornet]

anyone else ever occasionally die in about 1 sec to hunter/rogue in opener

mm/sub

[elder wigeon]

less than 1 sec but yea

[undone pumice]

me when

er into eviscerate

kill thru pre ip dbts dstance

[spice hornet]

sub rogue literally has way too much dmg for their control

its ridiculous

[elder wigeon]

devs are just gg go next with SL

[undone pumice]

idk i find

resonator

is whats kilking me more than

anything rogue mage themselves do

[mystic barn]

yea because they

rogue mage until you dont have a trinket

then resonator

[undone pumice]

double resonator

haha funni

like

i dont even know why i try anymore

im just kinda shit at everything guess ill go focus on school and do a wagie job

[wheat jay]

Don't try, pray 10.0 arms is as busted as 9.0 arms and collect your free glad

[mystic barn]

wagie job is a waste of time

ur just gonna be working for gas money to get you back to work lmao

[elder wigeon]

i just want the game to be fun again

[undone pumice]

same

[sage raptor]

If it weren't for double leggos and bs pvp trinkets, I honestly think this season would be fun.

[undone pumice]

isnt that how its set up to be?

itd just be s2 but locks instacast CB@sage raptor

[sage raptor]

Fair enough

[mystic barn]

im getting close to quitting my corpo job because they want people back in office and i cba 2 hour commute burning a hole in my pocket

[nimble jasper]

boomers

wfh is bis

[spice hornet]

hope all boomers die

[undone pumice]

wtf is a wfh

[mystic barn]

work from home

[spice hornet]

work from home

[mystic barn]

which is what i was hired into for past 2 yrs

[undone pumice]

hmm yes i will work as bricklayer from home

[wet scarab]

Destro had a pretty bad SL until this patch I wouldn’t have minded the aura buff alone

Thing is there’s nothing they can actually nerf in that specific tier set

[mystic barn]

they could totally remove blasphemy stun in pvp

lmao

[elder wigeon]

they could nerf it 100%

[mystic barn]

they could also tune the instacast chaos bolt alone

[elder wigeon]

they can reduce the damage of the spell from the instant cast by 25%

[mystic barn]

to do less damage in pvp

[elder wigeon]

yup

i mean really destro is fine if it wasn't for how overwhelming the double bolt is

[wet scarab]

They can’t nerf a specific cast of chaos bolt

[undone pumice]

the funny is

[mystic barn]

???

[wet scarab]

Imagine nerfing proc executes

[mystic barn]

are you a wow dev

[undone pumice]

lock being completely op in pve too

[elder wigeon]

they can nerf the pvp multiplier for the buff specifically from the tier set wdym lmao

[undone pumice]

and STILL not being nerfed

[full quiver]

Make infernal stun Dr

[wet scarab]

The buff from the tier set doesn’t affect the damage of chaos bolt

[full quiver]

With reg stub

Stun

[mystic barn]

oh my god

[wheat jay]

At this point this expansion is pretty much closed

Don't expect changes

At least not big changes

[wet scarab]

The instant chaos bolt isn’t a buffed one it’s just instant

[elder wigeon]

there's a 1.0 pvp multipler on every buff in the game by default, idk what you're talking about

[full quiver]

Or make aegis usable in stun

[undone pumice]

s4 will fix it

[wet scarab]

The buff is just a stack based on how many chaos bolts or rains of fire the lock casts, it doesn’t modify the damage of the base spell

[mystic barn]

oh my lord

[full quiver]

Lol

[wheat jay]

So people can say "died through pre-wall AND aegis"?

[elder wigeon]

they can make the damage done by the affected spell be .8 or .75 pvp modifier which will counteract the double bolt legendary that makes it so lethal

[wheat jay]

Since theyll still melt lmao

[elder wigeon]

you do realize they can aura nerf anything they want in pvp

[mystic barn]

he doesnt

[elder wigeon]

slam does like 25% less dmg in pvp, mortal strike does like what? 30% less dmg in pvp?

[wet scarab]

Are there any spells in which a specific instance of that spell being cast in pvp is nerfed?

Yes I understand that

[elder wigeon]

yes like almost all of them LOL

there's so many pvp aura nerfs on specific abilities

[wet scarab]

Are there specific instances in which mortal strike is nerfed additionally

[mystic barn]

remember how literally everything in dks kit was nerfed in s1

[wet scarab]

That’s what I mean

[elder wigeon]

they could nerf the mortal strike that comes from mortal combo by 50% if they wanted

it's easy

[wet scarab]

Yes, but do they?

Are there any other instances in which that is the case?

[elder wigeon]

idk what point you're trying to make

I'm saying they can do it, you're agreeing and asking for evidence because they can't or won't?

[wet scarab]

The point I’m making is that I think they should do away with tier bonus in arena, but as long as they’re committed to keeping it I don’t see a viable way they can nerf the lock set

[wheat jay]

They just havent cuz all the manpower is on Dragonflight and noone cares about pvp at blizz

[mystic barn]

was that your point

i thought your point was that it was simply impossible to tune the tier set chaos bolt

thats instant cast

[sharp meteor]

Bruh nobody cares about PvE lmao Destro war crimes over there as well

[wet scarab]

By precedent they don’t nerf specific procs of abilities so no I don’t think they would. Whether they can or can’t I don’t know. They changed the name of the procced infernal because it was messing up the base infernal spell

[mystic barn]

what

[sharp meteor]

hm?

[mystic barn]

i think you are just talking to talk

[wet scarab]

It used to be called an infernal on the ptr and they changed it to blasphemy

[full quiver]

Nnoob

[elder wigeon]

okay this is a separate argument from can to won't

[full quiver]

@mystic barn

[wheat jay]

They did nerf it, also lack of balance there isn't as bad as it is in pvp since its AI dragon slaying

That's different depending on mechanics of a fight

Pvp is pvp

[elder wigeon]

artji and I are simply saying they CAN nerf it the way we said, and you're confusing it with that they WON'T

[undone pumice]

destro and demo btw

[wheat jay]

There should be balance patches every week or two

[elder wigeon]

yup

[wheat jay]

But there's none

[sharp meteor]

Minor tweaks at least, yeah.

Them ignoring shit for months fucking sucks.

[elder wigeon]

shadowlands is abandonware

[wheat jay]

I mean sth like 5% buff/nerf

To abilities

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, little adjustments to op/bad shit.

[wet scarab]

They gave up on this xpac 100%

[wheat jay]

Or cd changes

[full quiver]

Lol

[wheat jay]

9.2.5 and new expansion in works

Of course they did

[elder wigeon]

chaos bolt prob could use a 10% aura nerf

[wheat jay]

That's logical

[wet scarab]

They should nerf chaos bolt overall and they would still be top dps in pve

Mythics is just rain of fire spam anyway

It’s more dps to rain of fire even 2 targets

[undone pumice]

if we take league as an examlle (not a good idea) they have balance patches every 2 weeks or so, and id say wow is also pretty big so i think they should be able to do it too

[mystic barn]

ya but league is legit a pvp game lmao

that is their main focus

and pro play

[wheat jay]

Anyway, at this point the only thing can be done is to embrace chad improvement mindset and play better

Or break till 10.0

[wet scarab]

Or scream into the abyss every night

[undone pumice]

no their main focus is selling naked women

[elder wigeon]

pvp should still be a big part of wow's culture and design

[sage raptor]

Once wrath comes out, I'll be chillin all maxin and relaxin there.

[wheat jay]

Its a minigame

[undone pumice]

wasnt wows whole thing

the pvp?

[mystic barn]

NO

[wheat jay]

Wow pvp is a minigame compared to pve

[full quiver]

@wet scarab do you work for customer service at yrc

[elder wigeon]

yes/no there's been pve and pvp servers from the get go

[undone pumice]

if u rolles pve server

small dick

[elder wigeon]

war between the two factions is a large portion of the story but in no way has it been forced upon the player base

[mystic barn]

pve servers are always last to die

[undone pumice]

kinda was?

[uneven hemlock]

pvp servers just devolve into one faction though.

[undone pumice]

picking your faction??

until now ofc

[uneven hemlock]

Because people don't like being disrupted when playing.

[elder wigeon]

yes no

[mystic barn]

wow open world pvp is the most snooze thing

[sage raptor]

Sounds like they need to get good

[undone pumice]

true

[full quiver]

Wow open world when it first came out was sick

[elder wigeon]

pvp servers gravitate towards one faction because of race balance and not being able to q with the opposing faction

[uneven hemlock]

Yes my low level character dies to a max level in one hit because skill issue.

[full quiver]

No one knew how to play lol

[wheat jay]

Pvp participation is just smaller than pve participation

[full quiver]

You just dumpster people

[wheat jay]

That's all there is to it

[sage raptor]

Wpvp is the only time I get to use army of the dead in a fun way. Random bgs don't count. I prefer to keep my sanity.

[full quiver]

I remember when AV would last for days

[wheat jay]

Iirc last time they mentioned pvp being comparable to pve was WoD

[undone pumice]

truez eredar eu has been 99% horde since forever

[full quiver]

Cause no one could win lop

[fickle forge]

Perhaps because you had instant accessibility and everyone could get max gear, and not just a tiny portion of the comm 🤔

[full quiver]

Lol

[lucid walrus]

never was

[wheat jay]

You had that in legion too

And yet it fell off

[full quiver]

Yeah I swear if it was plug and play that'd be sick

No farming honor to upgrade bs

[wet scarab]

The best evidence that they don’t give a crap about PvP is the state of holy priests

[fickle forge]

Legion was pop in PvP too no?

[undone pumice]

legion fell off cuz of the artifact bullshit

[wheat jay]

It was, but later it started falling due to lack of gear progression

[full quiver]

Holy priests gonna get dumpster nerfed

[elder wigeon]

that's copium

[undone pumice]

cope

[wheat jay]

So they reintroduced pvp gear progression, very extreme one

[full quiver]

Going to go from super good to awful

[fickle forge]

Prob better than having like 7% if the playerbase able to get max ilvl though

[elder wigeon]

holy priest will stay exactly the same

[full quiver]

They'll hit it heavy handed lol

[wheat jay]

Yep

Currently it looks like 10.0 is gonna have the WoD approach

When it comes to pvp

[elder wigeon]

unless they pocket sand us in the next few days for 9.2.5 notes, locks are getting nerfed defensively and that's basically it

[undone pumice]

fuck legendaries i need to spend thousands on, fuck crafted haste vers speed ring, just give me purps and let me pvp

[wheat jay]

Cuz thats it

That's all the class changes

[elder wigeon]

I'm not on copium I'm on the exact opposite

[fickle forge]

Amount of people that can get ilvl 285

[wheat jay]

Ye very few

That's why theyre removing it

[undone pumice]

hey at least im better than most people if im 1700

[sharp meteor]

Oh god I'm 278 and queuing into other 278s or whatever but I queued into a 285 once and lost this gearing system is trash pls fix ion

[full quiver]

Are they removing the ilvl in pvp next patch

Or you talking about next expo

[sharp meteor]

hecking BOOSTERs keeping me at 1400 for the 12th season in a row

[wet scarab]

I got to 2000 and then all the healers I play with quit lmao

[elder wigeon]

in 10.0 there will just be conquest gear that's bis in pvp

[undone pumice]

surely

we wont need to spend

[elder wigeon]

you can upgrade it to be better in pve though

which is nice

[undone pumice]

so u just

get conq gear

[full quiver]

Lol

[elder wigeon]

yes

[undone pumice]

and is bis?

[elder wigeon]

yes

[wheat jay]

Yes

[full quiver]

So I'll go to do dailies

[fickle forge]

It's WoD stuff basically

[elder wigeon]

like it should be

[undone pumice]

no bg cage for honor?

[wheat jay]

No

[full quiver]

And won't be able to kill anything

Kek

[fickle forge]

Get conq piece and it's full power

[undone pumice]

maybe life isnt so bad afterall

[elder wigeon]

you can do that still, but it's a pve upgrade only

[wheat jay]

Which is good

Very good even

[undone pumice]

just gotta wait a year for df

[wheat jay]

Yep

Like 10 more months

[fickle forge]

Means everyone can get full gear as well

[elder wigeon]

[wet scarab]

10.3 best balance patch

[undone pumice]

df will be good

[sharp meteor]

just how distraught are people going to be when they realize that it wasn't gear that was their issue

[undone pumice]

df is 10 months away

[wheat jay]

No more clips of pikaboo oneshotting noobs with 60k hp

[undone pumice]

[wheat jay]

Will be nice

[sharp meteor]

wym random drunk wws/ferals 1v2'd games just fine in mop

it'll be the same in dragonlands

glad-r1 is so far above and beyond 1600

[elder wigeon]

that's also true

[sharp meteor]

also if anything this makes carries easier because your buyer can't die as easily

also no random shitcan players with 280 at 1500

gonna miss rolling over noobs in bgs instantly tho

[fickle forge]

Imagine being some casual 1500 Andy who can sit with his lovely ilvl 272, fighting a system that asks him to compensate the gap with his skill, but he doesn't have that cause he's casual

Double fk'd

[wet scarab]

It’ll make carries easier because your enemies won’t instantly know who to target kek

[sharp meteor]

There's always gonna be some spec that excels for 2s carries.

[wheat jay]

That's bullshit

[sharp meteor]

like right now I could drag ANY healer to like rival or duelist on Fury, but it'd be even easier on Rogue

hope elite sets are sick so everybody is buying s1

[undone pumice]

fury abuser

[near delta]

I know sooo many people leaving their jobs cause it's not wfh anymore lol

[mystic barn]

the great resignation

[sharp meteor]

my highest warr is arms if that makes u feel better

[mystic barn]

@near delta id be spending about 400 dollars in gas a month

not to mention losing 2 hours of gym time a day

[undone pumice]

no ir makes me even more insecure about my nonexistant pvp skills

[elder wigeon]

yea i bought an electric mower the other day cause I finally had an excuse to get a new one, gas prices were the nail in the coffin

[sharp meteor]

arms in turb/retwarr might just be better than fury in general

[elder wigeon]

it's more enjoyable

[sharp meteor]

i know so many people playing more games because they don't wanna drive around lmao

it's like dang u been on league a lot

[near delta]

Dang yeah sounds like it's time to jet lol

[elder wigeon]

been on league a lot because the game is terrible and all my friends quit

[wet scarab]

I found that the determining factor for whether I succeed in a session as fury or arms is whether or not a lot of hpriests are queuing lol

[elder wigeon]

i'd be qing all day if my friends still played

[undone pumice]

league is a coping mechanism to get u to play more wow to se eits not THE shittest game

[elder wigeon]

no league is way better than wow rn

[fickle forge]

Man ya'll need to quit and wait for 10.0

[sharp meteor]

i like league because u can't get baned if u don't say stuf

[fickle forge]

[sharp meteor]

so if game is bricked i just euthanize somebody elses lane

[mystic barn]

i play league once a month and always get this

[sharp meteor]

walk over take their cannon thumbs up then report them and watch their acc get bricked

[wet scarab]

Would bruin get banned in league

[sharp meteor]

instantly

[full quiver]

Lol

[undone pumice]

if my lane gets bricked i just walk mid and brick the poor kassadins lane

[full quiver]

Not in old league 😫

[undone pumice]

ap yi

[elder wigeon]

league e-girls are way hotter

[sharp meteor]

That was before your time.

[undone pumice]

i know

[sharp meteor]

WoW egirls are a rough go.

[undone pumice]

ive heard great tales

of the 6 rabadon yi

[sharp meteor]

I don't know how people lose themselves over 30 year old catwomen.

[elder wigeon]

because they are down horrendously

[undone pumice]

desperate

[full quiver]

I remember telling Brazilian guy to go back to Mexico because it made him sperg out lol

[undone pumice]

wtf

dont insult mordekaiser

[full quiver]

In league

When game first came out half ranked matches were people telling each other to kill themselves

It was like mw2 lobby

[undone pumice]

they still are just

creatively

"thick string yourself tonight"

[mystic barn]

thats kinda racist scoobz ngl

[elder wigeon]

mw2 was pretty legendary back in the day as a kid

[undone pumice]

born too late for mw2
born too early for cool vr shit
born exactly at the right time to get spell reflect pinged off by kevin and die to instant cast chais bolts

[full quiver]

Yeah no shit qcp

But it was funny af

[elder wigeon]

they could make it so pets can't ping it off like they did in mop

could

[undone pumice]

they coukd also not make fucking instant cast chaos bolts

[full quiver]

Making it reflect everything for a second and a half

Or reflect shit in the air

Would be nice lol