pvp

[elder wigeon]

imagine the lockout being long enough to actually punish them hard

if it was a mage cs then yeah they're in huge shit

[wet scarab]

It really takes a bad warlock to get locked out of chaos bolt spam

[nimble jasper]

pummel is

[wet scarab]

Just no attention to cds and interrupts

[nimble jasper]

4s lockout right

[elder wigeon]

kinda crazy melee lockout = short, wizard lockout = long

[nimble jasper]

rogue kick is 5

and sham kick is 2/3

forget which

[mystic barn]

Our cds are much shorter for kicks

[elder wigeon]

imagine being able to kick on cd the whole game as a melee against MLX

[nimble jasper]

technically

outlaw can

if you never gouge

for cc

otherwise

best way to stop a locks casting is walk through their char model

and see if hes smart enough

[frail badge]

is rogue or demon hunter better in arena right now or are they about the same, i have not played since hitting max level when shadowlands came out and want to play again

[nimble jasper]

to turn

[elder wigeon]

I have to just send kick to be able to stun half the time or kick just so my teammate can kick

all rogue specs are significantly better than DH

not to say DH is bad, all rogue specs are insane

[nimble jasper]

dh is more braindead

but rogue is better

when played proper

[frail badge]

thanks how about rogue vs warrior? all 3 classes i have played and enjoyed in the past

[nimble jasper]

rogue is better atm than warrior

altho you dont really play meleecleaves

as rogue

[frail badge]

would you say there are less comps and longer wait times to get in a group then because of that for rogue?

[nimble jasper]

ehh

rogue lock and rogue mage

are both good

and all 3 classes are s tier atm

worst part about rogue mage is finding a competent mage

because mages that havent been at least 2.4 imo

are extremely bad

[frail badge]

thats sounds kind of bad/not fun and it would be a longer wait to get groups since its only rogue + mage/lock but maybe im wrong

[nimble jasper]

i mean…

you wanted what class is better

rogue is 100% better than warrior rn

but has less comps technically

[frail badge]

yeah your right thanks for your help

[nimble jasper]

theres technically sub ww

but that doesnt play like a traditional meleecleave

you run in bonk people with cds then run

same with rogue hunter tbh

[frail badge]

i might do rogue anyway since that would be the freshest experience for me as far as something new to do, and maybe just get all 3 i mentioned to 1800 as i like the elite sets a lot

[nimble jasper]

rogue sp is dece but again

rogue mage is by and far the best comp you can play

but skill floor for mage is higher than most classes

[wet scarab]

Locks have ranged silence too with felhunter pet ❤️

[elder wigeon]

they can double kick

[nimble jasper]

who needs double kick

when you can kill

[lucid walrus]

if kick's so good then why isn't there a kick 2

[nimble jasper]

in the blasphemy stun

which is also off stun dr

🙂

[elder wigeon]

https://youtu.be/BKqWxkKw8VI back when warrior had two of everything

[gloomy dock]

Back when he was still alive

[lucid walrus]

too soon

[neon shell]

Hello, a very noob question, for pvp, should we go with necro or kyr?

I am enjoying Kyr honestly but all top players usig necro

[sharp meteor]

They're both fine as both specs.

[nimble jasper]

@sharp meteor dude

i cant with people

guy trying to tell me mage only has rmp

as a minimum a tier comp

well fire

[sharp meteor]

mages are interesting

"only rmp and it's just because rogue"

like ypeypepyepyp

[neon shell]

ok, so not that big of a difference

[sharp meteor]

they're good in different ways

both specs, both covs

[lucid walrus]

lots of people like the fire and forget way that banner works but spear is pretty damn solid

[sharp meteor]

spear goes are

really potent if you can stick them

and it feels REALLY good into cleaves

if they stack they will get pinned

[lucid walrus]

mikanikos cdr

chef's kiss

[nimble jasper]

ok guy is claiming

ww mage isnt an a tier comp

im p sure it is

[sharp meteor]

it is, pay him no mind

[nimble jasper]

i swear NA sleeps on

[sharp meteor]

stuff like fire/ww and fire/warr requires that the mage know how to play the game

[nimble jasper]

ele mage

[lucid walrus]

it's super underplayed

[undone pumice]

ele

[ember totem]

Hows arms warr atm in arena?

[fickle forge]

Mediocre

Not thrash but also not amazing

[ember totem]

Yea ive noticed. I feel like a wet noodle compared to other classes sometimes😂

[undone pumice]

wet noodle as in u break apart easily

[fickle forge]

Arms definitely doesn't hit like a wet noodle

But you need to build a comp around your squishiness

Aka turbo, ret+warr, WMX etc.

[undone pumice]

arms is a support class that needs support

[fickle forge]

😎 👍

At least you can flex with your biceps when you hit 50k+ Execute

[undone pumice]

our definition of support is bonking or making bonks hurt less

[raw summit]

Ms for 20 conduit Proc for 20

Exe for 50

EZ

[undone pumice]

skeel essue

how does op+ sharpen work

55% dmg increase?

if it works how i think it dont mortal strike gets uh 105% dmg increase with every cd

[fickle forge]

Multiplicative

1.4 * 1.15

[undone pumice]

is this better or worse

math hard

[fickle forge]

161% combined

[undone pumice]

big

so on paper arms can do big burst yea

without execute

[fickle forge]

With CS+Ava and 15% mast it's about 288% MS dmg

😎 👍

[undone pumice]

strongest arms burst

about as good as weakest assass burst

[raw summit]

Arm burst is so fun tbf

Boink

[undone pumice]

hmtauren arms warrior

actual bonk with ms

[fickle forge]

When you use Execute to put them in Execute range so that you may Execute them 😎 👍

[raw summit]

[undone pumice]

[raw summit]

Man i wanna arm again

On god

[undone pumice]

execute into 3xecute into execute combo

very similar to destro chaos bolt into chaos bolt into chaos bolt combo

[spice hornet]

Been on vacation, good to see destro hasn’t been touched yet

[frank knoll]

Destro looks fun but playing it is actually boring as hell

[frank knoll]

A Tier? Didn’t that comp beat GG at AWC lol

[ember totem]

True!

[frank knoll]

Anyone play NF fury

[raw summit]

Why would you

The damage of it is so inconsistent

[frank knoll]

Cause aftershock hits for like 20-30k and stuns for a few secs off of the DR

[raw summit]

It doesnt hit for that

90% of the time

It's soo swingy

[frank knoll]

I’ve crit 20-30k aftershocks multiple times with Reck up which is how you use it

[raw summit]

At least from my experience

We dont really want crit as fury

[frank knoll]

At min its hits hits for like 10-15k but the stun is still nice

[raw summit]

So going for a crit is a bit iffy

I feel like necro just pumps infinitely harder

[frank knoll]

Yeah necro is poggers of you don’t get CCed during banner

And Kyrian spear does like 40k damage alone

[wet scarab]

every time I play NF fury for memes in 2s I climb like 50 rating and then I say okay it's getting serious now and switch to kyrian or necro and I lose 5 games in a row

[fickle forge]

Bruh

Implying 50 rating changes the intensity of your games?

[warped warren]

maybe hes hardcapped ????

[jaunty furnace]

at what rating also

[fickle forge]

Your rating +/- 50 rating is literally the same opponents

[warped warren]

surely

[full quiver]

i had a game yesterday where warrior casted mortal strike 4x

and got 4 proccs

[near delta]

Damn lol

[blazing trellis]

guys where should i build unity so i can flex between fury and arms? have signet on wrist and MS on waist

[undone pumice]

neck feet or ring

[spice hornet]

I think I had a 6 for 6 proc once

Last season

[full quiver]

lol

dayummm

[spice hornet]

Played like 4K games

[full quiver]

should've went out and bought a lottery ticket

[spice hornet]

So

[near delta]

What's the proc chance with the 278 conduit?

[frank knoll]

Considering rating gains are like 9 per win now 50 is kinda significant to me

[mystic barn]

Huh

9 seems super low

[sharp meteor]

+9 gains means mmr is bricked

[mystic barn]

probs just lose a ton more than win

[nimble jasper]

your mmr is piss low

[sharp meteor]

remember

play with similar or higher cr teammates

then just win more

[near delta]

Those 10 CR wins and -15 CR losses lol

[lucid walrus]

simply don’t lose

[near delta]

Just trying to find a healer

[lucid walrus]

your opponent legally cannot take your CR without permission

[undone pumice]

my opponent also legally cant have 100k hp as a dps class

but here we are

[mystic barn]

ya dunno I get +15 to 17 avg and -9 for my games

[undone pumice]

i lose and gain 20 per

yalla habibi mmr

[frank knoll]

Yeah I usually peak at like 1.8-2k
I’m hanging around 14-1500 not ashamed

[nimble jasper]

+9 means your mmr is low

not cr

[sharp meteor]

so mmr is basically where the game thinks u should be

cr is where u are

[frank knoll]

Ohh yeah

[undone pumice]

mmr is what u are

[sharp meteor]

if ur 1500 with 1500 mmr then gains/losses are flat

[undone pumice]

cr is what rewards u get

[sharp meteor]

if ur 1800 mmr cos high winrate and/or big team then u get +18 or something at 1500 cr

the closer ur winrate gets to 50% the more your gains/losses stabilize

[near delta]

Your partner/partners can actually have a higher CR than yours but a much lower mmr.

[sharp meteor]

u can get screwed if ur partner has bricked mmr ya

but can't tell that without looking at their recent history

so just have to eyeball it

[nimble jasper]

42-0 challenge guys

must make their first teams lose so much pts

[undone pumice]

42-0 challenge so epic

[nimble jasper]

dropping into mordor

[near delta]

Can you fall to single digit mmr?

[sharp meteor]

42-0 with 2 geared chars must be so easy mang

[sharp meteor]

lowest i have seen is like 500 mmr

then queues stop popping

[frank knoll]

I’m gonna do some games tonight and post gains/losses so u can look

[sharp meteor]

it doesn't matter just play with similar mmr then win

if ur gains an shit then ur winrate is bad or teammates mmr is bricked

less think more win

[frank knoll]

Playing w/o healer is awkward

Also

[sharp meteor]

find cute hpriest to uwu people with in the opener

[near delta]

Unless you're palumor and die without using defensives lol

[frank knoll]

Current win rate

[sharp meteor]

every time i queued into palumor he'd throw the game by being in a bad spot or randomly calling a swap

actually fries me that he got a title

[sharp meteor]

ya flat so gains shouldn't be great until u break out

gotta figure out where stuff going wrong

[nimble jasper]

ngl

[frank knoll]

I had 57% win rate then started playing double dps cause no healers were online

[nimble jasper]

everytime i saw kalvish and palumor rmp matchup

[sharp meteor]

like as necro fury i just body everything in the opener

[nimble jasper]

im like

[sharp meteor]

or get every button

[nimble jasper]

kek

double dps works depending on comp

[sharp meteor]

oh yeah kalvish is so much better it's unreal

[frank knoll]

Ohh this is my hunter, I haven’t even tried on my warr yet, pepega geared

[sharp meteor]

it's like watching a selfplay up there with palumor

like wtf is this

sl rmp

[nimble jasper]

yeah i mean

i’ve seen feral hunter above 2k

[dry trail]

u take bolt in 2s teapot ? or warbringer doubletime / IV ?

[near delta]

That triple dr blind

Or trinketing a disarm

[frank knoll]

I did okay with a feral

Honestly if I log out at a higher cr then what I log in at I’m okay

[spice hornet]

Palumor be milking dat SL sub rogue as much as he can

[spice hornet]

I tried to drop mmr as much as possible at the end of last season and it was impossible to get lower than like 1215mmr, queues were too long and sometimes you’d be facing other people who are dropping as well so you’d shoot back up to like 1300-1400 lol

[undone pumice]

palumor milking all rogue

[graceful quarry]

42-0 challenges are cringe anyways

like literally just run it down like 80 games in a row

until ur mmr hits rock bottom

[raw summit]

Both chars q with an anchor

And then u play the 2

[sharp meteor]

yeah what my healer and i usually do for new chars is

i hop on a 0 cr char then we lose like 10

then he does the same with mine

and we win the next 30-50 in a row

although this time we did it it only took like 5 losses

winning placements then having to do all yuor games at 2200 mmr annoying

[spice hornet]

You mean you don’t enjoy fighting all of the horrible survival hunter healer and dh heslers duelist geared hardstuck at 2100mmr vs. your 235 ilvl?

[sharp meteor]

it really is hell

i stopped playing one of my warrs early this season because we won the first 17 or something and were 2400

which quickly became nearly unplayable because my healer always wanted to queue a trap alt

rather stopped playing it in 2s

[frank knoll]

PvP may be declining but the m+ community seems to be thriving

Super inflated season tho

20 is the new 15

[spice hornet]

Affix was pretty cool and keys have gotten a lot better since they removed aoe cap and they actually tune the affixes more this expac and the trash/bosses

[frank knoll]

Yeah, I think the worst season was Beguiling

It’s been really good this expac so far

[undone pumice]

m+ is p fun yeah

except for quaking

fuck that

[frank knoll]

Quaking ain’t bad

Just gotta be cognizant of it

[undone pumice]

quaking lets other people kill you

thats why it sucjs

[frank knoll]

Personally
I hate bursting

[undone pumice]

whomstve

[frank knoll]

I can’t go monke with my AoE burst

[near delta]

Makes sense especially with how inflated the ladder was at the time lol

[dry trail]

how do u kill marksman / rduid ?

[wheat jay]

You can just obliterate mm

[lucid walrus]

mm should just get run down

[dry trail]

i mean survival i can catch him marksman kinda hard

[wheat jay]

?????

[lucid walrus]

that shouldn’t be the case at all

[wheat jay]

Ye haha

It should be the other way around even lol

[dry trail]

i should have taken bloodrage

[lucid walrus]

marksman has to plant its feet on occasion. surv, sure they’ll harpoon in but they don’t need to raptor strike your ass

[dry trail]

cause i was root binding shot whole game

i even reflected some traps

should have taken bloodrage instead of disarm i think that was it

[lucid walrus]

disarm’s still really damn good

[wheat jay]

Tell healer to dispel it

[lucid walrus]

great answer for trueshot. unless your healer’s cc’d 24/7 you should get dispelled on binding no problem

[dry trail]

it was a former duelist druid at 1.7

that should ring some bells

my healer

[wheat jay]

Maybe he was just dogshit

[lucid walrus]

with any healer who has a pulse you should shred mm

[wheat jay]

Also disarm is the best against them

[near delta]

Ah must be ndogo's old rdruid who is not getting carried by him anymore.

[wheat jay]

Lmaoooo

[nimble jasper]

unchained season duelist

is like

[lucid walrus]

ndogo’s fury r1 career lookin bright this seas

[nimble jasper]

1.6-1.8 player

in a non inflated season

[wheat jay]

At best lol

[lucid walrus]

i think that’s his point tbf

[dry trail]

no he was this season duelist

all in all we played some games im -40 cr

[wheat jay]

Watch your replays

Check what went wrong from both of you

Learn

Get better

[nimble jasper]

disarm doubletap

chances are he tilt trinkets

[wheat jay]

Also ye, disarm doubletap

[lucid walrus]

punish greed trinkets w/ bolt

: )

[wheat jay]

Or i dunno, parry it or sth

Not for parrying

But dmg reduction

[lucid walrus]

unless he’s playing resolve. in that case gl since idk if kicks into unkickable casts proc it

[wheat jay]

Yes

Blank kick procs it

[lucid walrus]

oh interesting

[wheat jay]

And removes it

That's how I fucked every healer playing it lol

Pet stun

Interrupt

Trap

[lucid walrus]

holy fuck lol

[wheat jay]

And they sit 15s CC

And if priest followed with fear

[lucid walrus]

ah yeah since it’s reverse rele

[wheat jay]

Thats 23s

[mystic barn]

d

[lucid walrus]

20% longer cc’s

[mystic barn]

@brittle irone

o

[undone pumice]

i struggle to use trinket properly recently

do i only trinket when enemy bursts?

[mystic barn]

depends on what’s going on

[nimble jasper]

do healers actually play reso

[undone pumice]

i coinflip my trinkets

either i trinket offensiveky like a mong

or i trinket defensively and die through defensives

[mystic barn]

fought a human sv hunter with fastidious

[lucid walrus]

trinket the first cc of the game so the blame is on your healer for 2min

[undone pumice]

today i will trinket intimidating shout

[lucid walrus]

trink fear ain’t bad in some cases

[undone pumice]

no

trinket the ability

[mystic barn]

trinket slam

[lucid walrus]

ah

ran some rbgs for vault & saw my warr guildie trinket a fear

didn’t know if bro had zerk up or i woulda said somethin

[nimble jasper]

isnt every fastidious user

some oneshot idiot

[undone pumice]

wdym

[lucid walrus]

prolly

[undone pumice]

just boomies run it i think

or odd nightfae feral

[lucid walrus]

ret or some shit if they’re psychotic maybe

[undone pumice]

prot warr run fastidious

[sharp meteor]

yep it'll be an all-in build because it's 2 cc immunities every 3 minutes at the cost of ur trinket

so gotta make it count

sub, arcane, vesper, nf druid, assa 1-bang, ret, etc

[undone pumice]

maybe brewmaster

[lucid walrus]

brew damage isn’t anything crazy rn is it

i actually dropped a 2s game to it last seas. think it was chun

[undone pumice]

brewmaster just overpiwers you the same way outlul does

except perma light cc

[lucid walrus]

clash is an infuriating button

death grip with extra steps

[frank knoll]

Yeah annoying CC bot

Venruki was playing it

[undone pumice]

brew?

[near delta]

I ran into two rets running it was so stupid lol

[frank knoll]

Yeah

[undone pumice]

venruki gotta be

[lucid walrus]

fuck that

[undone pumice]

one of the oddest individuals

xaryu too

[near delta]

They instabbubled too lmao

[frank knoll]

He was playing with a high burst partner like fire mage/mm hunter

[near delta]

What maining mage does to a mfer

[undone pumice]

xaryu resident broccoli feaster (only when queuinf arcane + brew 2s tho)

[neon shell]

Is there a way to mark your target immediately upon targeting him? my eyes are messed up and if there is bunch of things happening on the screen I typically have no idea where my target is

or if there is an addon, bascially something to show me where my atrget is

[near delta]

Check out something like plater or threatplates

Can customize markers on the target name plate with arrows and stuff like that

This is a plater one on wago

[undone pumice]

ingame keybinds have that option to put a raid marker on ur target

[lucid walrus]

there’s prolly a command to do that ya

[neon shell]

ima try that, thanks!

[neon shell]

I didnt know that, ill check it out

[spark dune]

Can’t wait to get better gear. Tired of getting blown up by better geared people

[sharp meteor]

wait until ur 285 and still get blown up

[fickle forge]

Have you tried just not getting blown up?

[sharp meteor]

ya it's not working

[near delta]

It just hits different when you're 285 and get one shot through your defensives lol

[undone pumice]

it just hits different when youre 285

[rigid siren]

in pvp does deathwish at full stacks, with spell reflect increase the spell (chaos bolt) damage by the amount of deathwish

[elder wigeon]

your modifiers don't change reflect damage

[rigid siren]

didnt think so

[elder wigeon]

otherwise popping avatar and warbreaker on a darksouled destro lock would 1 shot them with a reflected bolt

[rigid siren]

no i more so mean the increased dmg taken part

[elder wigeon]

yes it'll increase the damage you take and it'll affect the snapshot I believe

their damage reductions also will reduce the reflect damage

I've never played with death wish because it's beyond terrible so I can't say for certain but it should work that way

[rigid siren]

yeah it aint good someone just asked

me

[elder wigeon]

it's a good question

[mystic barn]

tbf so woul you when they pop reflect themselves

noob

[elder wigeon]

the damage is snapshotted

[near delta]

From your lips to Blizzs ears

[elder wigeon]

lmao

I don't think that'd be fair

[near delta]

True but it's ridiculous when you reflect the bolt and it does barely any damage

[elder wigeon]

I'd like to see reflect get a fair shake and be slightly reworked to last .5 seconds when activated

so once a spell triggers the reflect, it lasts for half a second and reflects all spells in that 500ms window

[near delta]

Some healer told me the other day reflect eats multiple spells lol

[elder wigeon]

it reflects all spells that're spell batched

but that spell batching window is significantly smaller than 500ms

[near delta]

It's just the instant though right

Yeah

[elder wigeon]

spell batching is like a <=200ms window

I can't say exactly what it is, but that's what it "feels" like

[near delta]

I'm too old for that kinds response time lol

Maybe when I was 16

[elder wigeon]

it's all chance

[near delta]

Ye

[elder wigeon]

I have a ~160ms reaction time on average and I'm 24

[near delta]

I actually haven't tested

[elder wigeon]

https://humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime

wow isn't as twitchy as league and if I recall league pros are in the 140-200ms range

[fickle crater]

Hey guys every guide says that one handed vs 2 handed dmg doesn't make a difference, is there ever a reason to not go 2h?

(fury)

[near delta]

Yeah I'm like 268ms on average apparently

[thick reef]

160 is pretty fkn good

jesus

[near delta]

Yeah that's nuts lol

[thick reef]

if titans grip is enabled in pvp then it should make a difference

[near delta]

No. It just gives you a movement speed bonus at the cost of health

[elder wigeon]

i have to try really hard lmao relaxed it's higher around 180

[near delta]

Maybe if you wanted to do some silly worgen build @sharp meteor

[thick reef]

does it rly not matter damage wise?

you get more stat out of 2h

[near delta]

Yeah it's more damm from 2h

Although it's super close

[fickle crater]

thats what my thought process was, but guides say it's close

[near delta]

With the damage buff from 1h

[elder wigeon]

higher strength = bigger ignore pain, higher strength also yields a better result from being on the bonesmith soulbind and more benefit from the necro conduit

[fickle crater]

but it can't be that close right cause 2h have way more stats than 12% more dmg

[thick reef]

well

in pve

atm i know for a fact its about

5 % difference

pve so take it with a grain of salt

also assuming theyre identical ilevel

[near delta]

Does that take into account gavel and jaithys?

[thick reef]

nope

[near delta]

Oh interesting

[thick reef]

gavel shifts it even more in favour of 2h

[near delta]

Yeah

[elder wigeon]

5% movement speed is just not worth it to be one handers

[near delta]

Yup

Kinda BiS for transmog though

2 two handers looks silly

[elder wigeon]

eh I like having two rippers haha

[thick reef]

2 handers mogging to 1h 1 day

copium

[fickle crater]

one day

[elder wigeon]

it would be nice if blizzard would just tune one handers to be equal to 2h, not hard to do

just increase the damage by 6-7% and call it a day lmao

[near delta]

Yeah it's so easy

[thick reef]

but then u still take titans grip

for health

[mystic barn]

is that why it’s possible to reflect 2 cbs

[thick reef]

and anything that scales off of str

[elder wigeon]

if they spam it like an ele that's casting a lava burst and gets a surge proc while casting it yea, but they have to do it SO fast to hit that batch window

[thick reef]

i recall reflecting a g pie and a living bomb in the same reflect

could maybe try bait that stuff late

doubt its consistent tho

[mystic barn]

Shouldn’t be hard to with instaxast bolts

[elder wigeon]

yeah they just have to do it that fast

[thick reef]

you’d just have to reflect first one as late as possible

[elder wigeon]

there's no consequence to waiting half a second to send the second bolt and avoid getting double reflected

[thick reef]

is reflect spell batching400 ms?

[elder wigeon]

it's like 2-300 at most

[thick reef]

i think that was the typical batching number

before they removed it on most abilities

[elder wigeon]

the batching in retail isn't the same as vanilla

[thick reef]

wonder what the number is

the only real easy way to do it is aggro 2 caster mobs that start cast at the same time and reflect

[elder wigeon]

smaller than 400ms for sure

[thick reef]

yeah it is tiny

[near delta]

Giving it just a half a second longer window to reflect would be a nice balance

So dumb when it gets taken off by a priest dot or something random

[elder wigeon]

I mean blizzard knows their batching window, it's time to reflect spells should be increased by whatever it takes to reach 500ms including the batching window

if it's 200ms in the batching window, then it should effectively be increased by 300ms

[mystic barn]

[elder wigeon]

anything to make it impossible for fire mages to just fireblast reflect off and not have to fake

[sharp meteor]

did somebody say silly worgen speed build

[sharp meteor]

wishin reflect was all spells for like 2 seconds

[elder wigeon]

that'd be pretty insane, I honestly wish there was a pvp talent called "spell bulwark" where it gave the 3 second reflect effect

would finally have a good pvp talent vs wizards lol

[sharp meteor]

YPEPYEPPYE

1 spell when i feel like even kevin hits it off feels BAD

[elder wigeon]

yeaaaah

[sharp meteor]

just disappears ambiently instantly

hell i feel like just holding it is better value LMAO

[elder wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-its-gone-gif-4104229

[sharp meteor]

i just sat there hitting a sp without kicking or reflectin for like 3 mins

the amount of times he cancelled his casts

was more than if i had kicked on cd i think

btw outlaw/mw/sp is

kms

the rogue disarmed my reck proc

then dr disarmed my next reck proc

[elder wigeon]

I almost wish there was a way to turn spell reflect into spell deflection, making it a 45 second cd and offering 30% magic dmg reduc for 6 seconds and offering no reflect

would be really sick against wizards where there's not exactly something singular to reflect of high value but need a small wall against

[sharp meteor]

might also be cool ya

[proven maple]

Actually a very good idea

[steep inlet]

No reflect would break the cool base idea

Just à wall succ

[wary harbor]

current sr feels better in overall gameplay than the one we had as a honor talent. people can play around it and reflecting a good spells feels really nice. you just gotta kill stupid interactions like fireblast sheep

[elder wigeon]

every pet in existence ripping reflect off isn't fair either

[fickle forge]

It could be smoothed out though, something like having the reflect last another 0.75 sec after reflecting a spell and not have it trigger from non-player sources

[steep inlet]

y

[scarlet barn]

I say, BFA sr was the best

Cant change my mind

[wary harbor]

agreed. DHs killing themselves by flying in the air. good times

[finite escarp]

Do you typically give up Enduring Rage or Battle Trance when vs melee?

[lucid walrus]

trance seems way more expendable than enduring imo

[elfin surge]

:thinkNoose:

😐

[jolly laurel]

what stat is it?

[raw summit]

Winrate ig

[jolly laurel]

Maybe if i was a healer i could enjoy some of the green numbers with u

[elfin surge]

1500 2s played already

kill me

[undone pumice]

noober

[jolly laurel]

Make more youtube vids with all that content :p

[dry trail]

what's the name of the holy priest ressurect leggo so i get a weak aura to track ?

[warped warren]

could just target and look at his debuffs

[undone pumice]

[warped warren]

its not rocket science

[late nacelle]

hows single minded fury

a lot worse than titan grip

or just slightly worse?

[fickle forge]

Forgot the other 4 warrs who have 600 games combined?

[dry trail]

got rival 2 with a rusky paladin in 2s 9/10 wins for 100k

good deal than search for trashy holy priests in lfg

[steep inlet]

Someone has impeding doom stacks weak aura

Before I go crazy

Fucking destros

[undone pumice]

mes wekaura pack

has ruin stacks i think

[tawny musk]

Mes Arena CDs new

This one?

[undone pumice]

ye

[fickle forge]

Sold or bought?

[sharp meteor]

bad dumb pointless pretend it doesn't exist

[undone pumice]

wrong

its bis for transmog

double thunderfury

[sharp meteor]

shitty ass plastic sword

[late nacelle]

i think single minded fury is sleeper op

that 5% movement speed yo

[sharp meteor]

wow dmg nerf health nerf ignore pain nerf but at least u move as fast as if u had another gem

smf an shit

i made a vulpera fury warrior for the memes but even on this char i didn't gigatroll by going smf

[late nacelle]

You will see

i will get glad with single minded

[dry trail]

bought

[warped warren]

[dry trail]

speed ring speed gems and enraged speed and u are like 135% speed

[sharp meteor]

ya probably same i am going to have so many warrs this season

[undone pumice]

wtf how does it nerf ur ip

[sharp meteor]

cos no hp

it's just bad with no real tradeoff

[undone pumice]

faest

[dry trail]

does warbringer proc resolve ?

[undone pumice]

not anymore

used to

[sharp meteor]

roots no longer proc it

[near delta]

The "nerf"

[undone pumice]

normal charge doesnt root anymore

and it procced it

[sharp meteor]

pardon

root is 1s charge, warbringer 2s charge

[near delta]

Normal charges mini root proceed it

[undone pumice]

1s is like

[sharp meteor]

er charge is 1s root, warbringer doubles that

[near delta]

*procced it

[undone pumice]

the 1s root does nothing

is what i mean

[sharp meteor]

no it lets u get hamstring/pierce up lol

[undone pumice]

its not like old gigachad 2s STUN charge

[sharp meteor]

and it's still a root

[nimble jasper]

feel like that change

nerfed wws the hardest

[sharp meteor]

feral no insta roots to rip it off

ww no disable reapplication

gz they now know what most melee feel like

surv also can't trap or harp it off

heheeh

[nimble jasper]

dwayne stun

still procs it

[mystic barn]

holy fuck arms feels the best it’s been

move s2 arms here comes s3 arms

[undone pumice]

qcp playing arms??

wtf

i thought u wee smelly dk

[mystic barn]

never played dk before

[sharp meteor]

ur profile picture cringe enough to be a dk player idk

[mystic barn]

what does that even MEAN

[sharp meteor]

also more arms buffs when

[near delta]

Not wrong

[mystic barn]

godskin duo is sick

ducks are wack

[sharp meteor]

shut UP dk player

also why is venth so dog like what is the point of this cov

[dry trail]

DL SPY

DK

[near delta]

One would think if a cov got no use at all for any spec in any content that it'd get a buff of some sort

[sharp meteor]

then there's destro that's cranking god tier damage in every form of content with no adjustments HMMM

but venth for warr just seems like

like why, why ever take it

[near delta]

They nerfed them for MDI pulls slightly so thats something

[late nacelle]

so uh

rogues giga busted this season or what

[dry trail]

kill them on evasion cooldown or they rip u new butthole

[sharp meteor]

yes

[sharp meteor]

rofl

[crystal cosmos]

Hello, I am a bit confused. I know that 2 handers give more stamina, but then the guide for fury pvp mentioned in pins points to 2x1h (if no raid option is available) as a backup. It is also strange for me to buy 2x2h without haste stat which is the main stat pre-30% "cap". I have no strong opinion neither on 2h nor on 1h option but just want to take the best one to climb. Can someone please advise me on that?

[dry trail]

farm conquest and get 2 2handers

[crystal cosmos]

Already got enough conquest, just need to decide

[dry trail]

i have one cosmic greatsword and one mace

[crystal cosmos]

Shall I go for the mastery one then? (already got one with mastery)

[dry trail]

i like a bit crit so i got a greatsword not double mastery ones

[sharp meteor]

u buy 2 2hs with mastery for fury

smf is meme

[dry trail]

i also play sinful revelation - ascended vigor not celestial

[sharp meteor]

ya can have a third wep with vigor i think

i have tried both and while vigor probs better overall

celestial nice for just swinging into people

[dry trail]

ye

[sharp meteor]

90% of my deaths couldn't be avoided with slightly increased healing anyways

it's usually some cd/ground/kick overlap

[crystal cosmos]

Thank you! Taking my second 2h weapon then

[dry trail]

gl

[hazy breach]

is 2100 285 ilvl?

[mystic barn]

yes

[sharp meteor]

In PvP yeah.

In PvE it's 272, and then 275 for 2400

[undone pumice]

vampire

[dry trail]

vampire the masquarade best pen n paper game

[elfin surge]

1h bad, 2h chad 😎

[dry trail]

[wheat jay]

foreskin duo

[dry trail]

unity on bracer is fine or recraft legs for stamina ?

[warm pollen]

anyone has a weak aura that tracks battle trance? plz

[undone pumice]

just get the enrage tracker weakaura and replace enrage with battle trance

[sharp meteor]

hm got alt warr to 60 and took about 15 hours of bgs to get 2pc, 1 conq wep, and a total 265 ilev

that isn't too horribly long, is it

from just casual bgs/shuffle

[ancient sonnet]

I dunno, time's kinda relative to how much you have to spend imo. I'm gonna wait for conq boxes before I level another war I think

[sharp meteor]

well in the case of bgs if you have computer of even uhh

i know my partner just soft afks bgs when he's at work on his tablet

[undone pumice]

what

he plays wow on tablet?

[ancient sonnet]

no he gets carried when logged in on tablet

[undone pumice]

no

what i mean is

YOU CAN PLAY WOW ON A TABLET?

[sharp meteor]

gonna make sure he finishes on of his glads on his tablet

[ancient sonnet]

you can play won on your phone

[undone pumice]

what

[ancient sonnet]

just remote in to your computer

[undone pumice]

what

wtf

broken

[sharp meteor]

the future is now

[undone pumice]

gonna play wow in my bed

fuck standing up man

[ancient sonnet]

I sometimes do that to check vault and shit when I'm bored lol

[undone pumice]

gonna do callings on my phone

[sharp meteor]

the two of us picked up fury so recently that we only just realized last week that fury got rage from autos hm

[undone pumice]

what

[near delta]

They should let us open our vaults from the app

[undone pumice]

how do u do mission table from phone

remote control?

[ancient sonnet]

app prob works better for missions

[undone pumice]

which app

blizz authenticator?

[ancient sonnet]

wow companion

[undone pumice]

wot

shit

can u collect tgem from.phone too?

[ancient sonnet]

yes

been around since WoD

[undone pumice]

wtf

passive income

[sharp meteor]

yeah once u get setup it's decent

[undone pumice]

yea i just set it up

this means i can like set up a bunch of alts

ans just farm free money while im on toilet?

[mystic barn]

I totally forgot mission table even exists since 9.0

[wheat jay]

Since 7.0*

[mystic barn]

I didn’t play 7.0

[wheat jay]

Oh

Fair enough

[old trail]

With a frost dk in 3's, I really want to be kyrian right?

[mystic barn]

just full send necro lord and collect your paycheck

[old trail]

Wait really?

[sharp meteor]

either is fine

[old trail]

When do you get the leg appearance, is it 1600?

[lucid walrus]

unholy makes banner even more of a no-brainer but yeah you can ape out as either

yeah it's 1600

18 is for the upper parts

critcake typing in here

[wheat jay]

@plush cradle lurking again?

[old trail]

1800 is shoulders, helm chest
1600 is legs and?

[plush cradle]

[lucid walrus]

gloves/boots

at least that’s how it was before 9.1.5, don’t recall what the new breakpoints do to unlocks

[wheat jay]

You okay Habibi?

Progress done?

Back on arms for reclears?

[sand shadow]

holy crap playing 2s as a warrior rn is just futile

[plush cradle]

not yet

[wheat jay]

Sadeg

[plush cradle]

yailer at 50%

[wheat jay]

That's pretty good

[sand shadow]

outlaw/hpriest is legit the worst thing I can remember since feral/rdudu in legion

[near delta]

Fury can do some work but every outlaw rogue team is a struggle

[wheat jay]

50% and you're free to play arms again

[plush cradle]

idk how big the nerfs are so will see

[wheat jay]

Or unsub till 10.0 lol

[plush cradle]

i dont think i'll want to arms unless the enh shaman is back

[sand shadow]

I played 9min game vs fucking immortals

[wheat jay]

Oh no enh, yikes

And now its meta as well haha

[lucid walrus]

felt okay around 2.1 mmr but NA joke goes here

[sand shadow]

I even killed the hpriest

but HEHE he has leggo

and my lfg monk decided not to insta incap him out of it

-__________-

[lucid walrus]

clownmaxxing

[sand shadow]

I am actually so annoyed holy crap 😄

[old trail]

is it troll to be venthyr in pvp?

as fury

[sand shadow]

even as orc sephuz that shit is unplayable

[plush cradle]

I did 2.1k in 2s as fury, been parked there for 2 weeks now i think

waiting for ratings to inflate, maybe i get 2.4 later

[wheat jay]

Got set and illussion, now just chill lol

[sand shadow]

I did 2.1k first day of the season dude, I am good in that bracket

its just freaking impossible at this point

the entirety of EU is fotm rerolled

literally

[nimble jasper]

outlaw hpriest is like

[old trail]

Oh shit

[nimble jasper]

you hope

[sand shadow]

hpriests only

outlaws only

[plush cradle]

lovely

[wheat jay]

Not just eu

[old trail]

Everyone is literally necro in 3's

[nimble jasper]

the hpriest ints

[wheat jay]

And its always like this

[sand shadow]

but he did int

[nimble jasper]

outlaw is like

casual 7k dps

[wheat jay]

With every spec etc

[sand shadow]

he did literally 20 MC attempts on me

[lucid walrus]

there’s not much reason to be

[sand shadow]

did not get a SINGLE one

[wheat jay]

Last season there were 3 comps in the ladder

Rmp, ret/warr, jungle

[sand shadow]

I swear, meeting hpri/survival

[lucid walrus]

other than if you want to. would call venth a step down from the other 2 options

[nimble jasper]

i feel outlaw is less common on na tho

[wheat jay]

Everyone rolled meta

[nimble jasper]

for some reason

[sand shadow]

I'd much rather face that, really

its EVERYWHERE on EU

[nimble jasper]

people not queuing it much

[sand shadow]

even I have one

this is my progress so far

playing 1 a week

[raw summit]

ur part of the problem

[old trail]

So i'd be much better off with kyrian/necro?

[raw summit]

smh!

[raw summit]

just necro

[sand shadow]

never played rogue ever in my life

[old trail]

Doing 3's with a frost dk

[sand shadow]

its just SO good

[raw summit]

banner and run over people

[lucid walrus]

tldr yes

[old trail]

How does coven swapping work

[elder wigeon]

Fuck kyrian

[old trail]

I have a toon at 80 necro

[lucid walrus]

smoothly

[sand shadow]

talk to the vendor

[old trail]

but my war hasn't done anything

[sand shadow]

or NPC, wtv, next to Bolvar

[raw summit]

you buy the 40 renown thing

[sand shadow]

buy isnta 40 renown thing

[lucid walrus]

buy the BOA item from the guy by the oribos flightmaster /before/ you go to swap

[nimble jasper]

outlaw fine unless you play with lfg

[raw summit]

and then go to cove base and get emeni and mari

[nimble jasper]

but thats an lfg issue

not an outlaw issue

[sand shadow]

dude I swear outlaw is sick w/ LFG

because you can singlehandedly control the game

70% of the time

[lucid walrus]

use it once you’re necro before activating soulbinds so you don’t miss like 3 free renown

[nimble jasper]

nah you get healers

who just die to nothing

[sand shadow]

and all you need is to play def

[nimble jasper]

even through cc

maybe diff on eu but

[sand shadow]

yeah the mw I playe dwith just now wasn't that good

game vs rsham got 6 hexes or some shit

idk how

[old trail]

I dont need to do the campaign right?

[sand shadow]

w/o cover for it

[old trail]

Since I have a toon at 80 renown necro?

[nimble jasper]

funniest thing with lfg to me

healer out of cc and in los

[sand shadow]

you don't but if you have the campaign available

[lucid walrus]

shouldn’t have to. been a minute since i’ve had to

[nimble jasper]

so i think i dont need to trade

for rm opener

[sand shadow]

its the fastest way to farm to 80 renown @old trail

[nimble jasper]

xd

[lucid walrus]

you should get 2 renown per cov chapter pre-48 renown too

[nimble jasper]

like if they dont have cc on healer

i shouldnt need to trinket opener from rm

imo

[sand shadow]

no its far more than 2 per chapter

its legit over 25

[lucid walrus]

is it now?

[sand shadow]

I didn't pay specific attention to it, but it was LOADS

[lucid walrus]

ik ZM was fast i just don’t remember 9.0

ZM was comically fast

[sand shadow]

defo more than 14 which 2 per chapter would imply

you get renown from the prog quests towards chapter end too

[lucid walrus]

2 per was for 9.1 doing the very first cov chapters for sure

[sand shadow]

at least I did when I did it on my rogue a few weeks ago

[lucid walrus]

you’re def right about the new stuff this patch

[sand shadow]

oh, well that's not ZM, ZM built diff

really sad if you have done it and want to swap and have no renown tho

but if I were, i'd do the wbosses first at the lowest possible Renown; felt like it increased the odds of getting x2 renown per WB

can't confirm for sure tho

might have just gotten lucky idk

[old trail]

How do I use banner?

[sand shadow]

you pop it and then press reck

[raw summit]

press before a rampage

[sand shadow]

if you press reck and then pop banner

i cri

[raw summit]

and since RA is 50 rage

u banner Ra ramp

[old trail]

banner > reck > ramp?

[sand shadow]

ya

ideally

[raw summit]

and then just crushing blow people to death

[sand shadow]

but never reck > banner

[raw summit]

if ur warbringer u can chargeweave for dam

[lucid walrus]

press button and hold W

you are now a lawnmower

[sand shadow]

and then you get blinded

into disarm

into KS

into gouge->MC

enjoy

[raw summit]

then they press evasion

[sand shadow]

and the priest flies

[old trail]

There's just an intro quest I have to do right?

[sand shadow]

and then fades when he lands

and you cry

[raw summit]

yea

also gives 2 more renown boys

[nimble jasper]

zerker rage the gouge

[old trail]

uhhh

Plague or emeni?

[sand shadow]

@nimble jasper hpriests wet dream

if they're halfway decent

drag me behind a pillar and fear my pussy ass

so my pepe healer cant dispel me

[nimble jasper]

most of lfg doesnt do that

somehow

or my favorite

the rando hpriest

[sand shadow]

well this guy was 2.4k on like 2 priests already so he wasnt that dogshit

[nimble jasper]

who just casts mindgames

[sand shadow]

I mean the enemy priest

[nimble jasper]

during 0 pressure

[sand shadow]

i think I might be done w/ warrior for a while I swear

[nimble jasper]

what’d you play outlaw with

i guess greenskins

or blunder

[sand shadow]

ya greenskins

its bugged and annoying

but im so bad id rather not complicate my life

until I get the basics right

[nimble jasper]

blunder also bugged technically

cuz it accelerates the rate you do the 4p

[sand shadow]

since blunder gives me 3 CPs and that confuses me

[nimble jasper]

which in turn

[sand shadow]

[near delta]

Feels like I'm way more reliant on my healer now. Could just carry pretty poor healers last season.

[nimble jasper]

bugs out your blue points

more

[sand shadow]

@near delta you're SO reliant on your healer

It took me like 2 weeks to get my hpriest friend to 2.4

[nimble jasper]

also cuz ideally you wanna play ghostly

which is more maintenance

[sand shadow]

he's not terrible or anything, but certainly 2.4k that early was a stretch for him

[nimble jasper]

its a kyrian bug thats lasted entire patch

[sand shadow]

ghostly???

[nimble jasper]

yes

[sand shadow]

wat

[nimble jasper]

more raw dam

if blunderbuss

[near delta]

Those rdruids that just pve heal are basically an insta loss now

[nimble jasper]

or shadowdust

[sand shadow]

never seen ppl play that?

[raw summit]

bunderbussy

[nimble jasper]

the high rogues do

[sand shadow]

o_O

[sharp meteor]

had 2 8 min games last night vs sp/outlaw

[nimble jasper]

also lets you hit blue points

easier

[sharp meteor]

legit can't do anything to mw/sp/outlaw

[sand shadow]

you mean the first roll talent yes?

[sharp meteor]

just run dry after 10 mins

[nimble jasper]

yeah

bug is where

[sand shadow]

this shit?

[nimble jasper]

mhmm

[sand shadow]

wtf never seen anyone runing that

[sharp meteor]

yer

[nimble jasper]

rat does

[sharp meteor]

greenskins is kill

[sand shadow]

I just copy paste people's stuff tho

well rat plays 2dps 99% of the time doesnt he

w/ bicmex

mb thats why

[nimble jasper]

raz too i think

[sand shadow]

besides, if you play blunder, wouldn't the other thing be better?

[nimble jasper]

nah

[sand shadow]

since it increases your leggo proc chance?

[nimble jasper]

already really high proc

[sand shadow]

I know Trille played that one

[nimble jasper]

with 20 stack

bug is where if you shoot the bte from 4p

[sand shadow]

well it goes from 35% to 55% w/ 2 brawler

would be 65% w/ weaponmaster

[nimble jasper]

the pistol shot that triggers it

will consume the kyrian blue point

that it landed on

[sand shadow]

oh

[nimble jasper]

it’ll shoot a 6cp bte