pvp

[nimble jasper]

good dks are real annoying

the ones who just

spam chains you

for 10+ secs

[sharp meteor]

that's every dk but the ones who position to grip or have their pets in a good spot aaaaaa

also abom limb hits unreal hard now so they can sometimes just run until its up

[nimble jasper]

yeah

remember raz saying about outlaw mw 2s "yeah its a great comp into melee until you realize you're playing with a dog spec like mw"

[near delta]

Lmao

[nimble jasper]

if mw was strong

swear that comp would be

100% w/r

into melee

[near delta]

Yup

[nimble jasper]

"sorry my healer doesnt have 5 different get out of jail cards on short cds so we can actually die"

[near delta]

I haven't been playing very long but feels like if MW is top tier casters cleaves are the worst ever to queue into

[nimble jasper]

mw ww cleaves have been funny

when they create rop trampoline

[near delta]

Haha

[nimble jasper]

ropping healers into walls

can only cast instants

dies

[near delta]

Yo Mich is there a good pirate pvp guide anywhere?

[sharp meteor]

mw is quite good with stuff like destro/frost, kind of anxious about them potentially buffing it further

super weaksauce with cleaves though as they just get harassed too easily

[near delta]

Yeah I've only played into it a bit and it was actually brutal

Disarming me from a mile away

[sharp meteor]

yep reminds me i need uhhh

did anybody ever find that weakaura for when bolt is on you, like when it's midair

could probably do something similar with disarm

[near delta]

Ohhh to bs it?

Science has gone too far

[worldly nymph]

So at last

Even if am super skilled am not going to be able to kill another skilled player? Me being a arms or fury warrior

😆

[near delta]

In a 1v1? It's super tough

[sharp meteor]

depends on spec/cds etc idk

usually u just run away if they're better and have cds plus good spec

i can brute force through like almost everybody in bg situations because duelist gear and bg players are poodoo

[worldly nymph]

Correct in 1v1

Damn

So at least you need another player helping u say in battleground for a warrior to be

Sucessful

Also I heard

Die by the sword is a super good skill

[near delta]

Ah battlegrounds it's fine

Can just run around causing havoc in team fights

And in rbgs you'll have healing

Die by the sword is great but only into physical damage

[worldly nymph]

So am good with either fury or arms in battleground , rbgs or are a

Arena

[near delta]

Against casters ER is a lot better since you can also heal and use it in stuns

Yup just play what you enjoy. Fury is wayy better in 2s though

[worldly nymph]

2s ?

2 handed?

[near delta]

No 2v2 vs 3v3

[worldly nymph]

Oh

Thank you

So fury definitely get 2h /2h

Weapons

I heard they gave fury some love in latest patch xd about time

Now it needs just a tad more

🤣

Oh and fury still has a (charge skill right )?

[near delta]

Yeah reckless abandon makes every raging blow during recklessness have a 10 yard charge

[willow nymph]

woaah

i ziznt know that

[near delta]

It's pretty crazy

[willow nymph]

boutta just main fury

just a better havoc dh rn rn

[near delta]

Then you can also run double time with warbringer for 2 charges that both root and basically no one can kite you on cds

[sharp meteor]

Ya, zoomin around. It's like s1 where you just condemn charge for 10 seconds at some hunter moving at light speed.

Conq, double time, warbringer, Reckless abandon

Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[willow nymph]

yeah im still interested in hunter

either hunter or warr

[near delta]

I should try death sentence sometime for the memes

[willow nymph]

for big secure rankings

[worldly nymph]

And fury has ignore pain too right?

[elder wigeon]

yes but it's painful to press

[worldly nymph]

Lol why

[nimble jasper]

80 rage

[elder wigeon]

it costs 60 rage

[nimble jasper]

oh its 60 could have sworn it was 80

also not proccing anything like it does for arms

[elder wigeon]

I wouldn't mind pressing it all if slaughterhouse lasted 10 seconds and only went to 6 stacks or 30%

maintaining 40% ms is taxing on your rage

[nimble jasper]

proccing tactician for arms makes IP barely a damage loss tbh

[uncut pollen]

I thought you barely ever slam

On arms

[nimble jasper]

barely do yeah

better off pressing IP generally

if ms isnt up

[sharp meteor]

always wanna be able to ms

hamstring overpower etc global wise

slam is kind of the burst or "we're super ahead" button

better to press ip off cd generally as arms

[elder wigeon]

yeah you need the sustain lol

[sharp meteor]

yaaa

[willow nymph]

Are you doing something every global as arms

I can play gcd locked specs

[sharp meteor]

arms has downtime, or it can

[willow nymph]

rude

[sharp meteor]

sometimes u sit on hands rather than press slam just because u have rage

fury has so little downtime u don't even wanna press hamstring

u have to usually but it feels NOT ideal

[willow nymph]

yeah but fury is going down the gutter eventually

[sharp meteor]

uhhh

maybe

[willow nymph]

use the charge ham macro

[sharp meteor]

it's fine for now

[willow nymph]

I'd say meta

What's the self healing

Enough for double dps?

[lean burrow]

guys, is there ever a situation where I'd want to kick fleshcraft?

[willow nymph]

if I'm close to a kill I do

[jaunty furnace]

If you guys think pvp is wild now wait until dragonflight with the new talent system and return of hybrids

[sharp meteor]

I can't imagine it being crazier than it is now.

[lucid walrus]

“return” of hybrids

they never left

[jaunty furnace]

not really. Everyone just runs the same cookie cutter build la these days

[lucid walrus]

i don’t think hybrid means what you think it means

[sharp meteor]

uhhh no LMAO

there's like an unreal amount of builds/comps rn

probably more than any other point in the games history

[jaunty furnace]

Well it obviously depends on what comps you VS but I feel like everyone still picks the same stuff to counter those comps

[sharp meteor]

nobody knows anything people just pick stuff and try it out

[jaunty furnace]

And in PVE there’s literally no choice

[worldly nymph]

What's a good pvp fury rotation?

[sharp meteor]

yeah but nobody cares about pve

[worldly nymph]

I have no idea what am pressing lol

[sharp meteor]

u get 4pc then press raging blow and rampage

feels jank without tier

[worldly nymph]

4pc as in?

[sharp meteor]

4pc tier

[sharp meteor]

I wonder how many individual people are actually above 2400 right now hm

[worldly nymph]

Can anybody

Give me a hand please?

There is a vid rotation thing and I want to fully understand which skills one by one is he using am not understanding.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5fRkckuRTc. Minute 10 dummy fight after charge

[sharp meteor]

idk i just hit raging blow and rampage a lot

[worldly nymph]

Yeah but he has an order

Am not understanding

[sharp meteor]

17 minutes idk just press stuff

get 4pc tier before u worry about it

90% of it is just pressing raging blow and rampage lel

[worldly nymph]

He shows at min 10

Those 4 pieces is from dungeons?

[sharp meteor]

nah convert conquest with catalyst

[worldly nymph]

Hold up

So raging blow doesn't have a cooldown?

Wtf

Not raging blow sorry

I meant rampage

What's better axe, sword for fury?

[sharp meteor]

rampage indirectly has a cd due to rage cost

[sharp meteor]

mace for mastery

[steep inlet]

In 2s 2300 is top 2000 Europe

So 2400 in 3s like top 500 imo

Deflation is back

[sharp meteor]

yeah so na is like 1100 or something in 3s but i remembered that like, alts and stuff

[warped warren]

915 but prideful or w.e elite set on the thumbnail

[nimble jasper]

@sharp meteor Am I fried

someone tried to argue with me that rogue is tankier than mage

[sharp meteor]

idk they both feel impossibly tanky but i have the easiest time killing mage

[nimble jasper]

but is mage tankier

than rogue

or other way around

[sharp meteor]

although recently that has been mostly due to them randomly dying to fury dam

whereas rogue never dies

especially outlaw

[nimble jasper]

nah not referring to outlaw

[sharp meteor]

u will be in a few weeks

[nimble jasper]

also had a guy say fire is only good cuz of rmx

anahahha

idk why but

[sharp meteor]

yeah that is a common sentiment among mages idk why

[nimble jasper]

players who have

max 2.2 xp

seem to have such a different pov

on how good mage is

as a class

[sharp meteor]

gonna shoot myself into the sun when outlaw is one of the most popular melee

[nimble jasper]

i feel like

less experienced players dont understand

how broken mages are

[nimble jasper]

cant beat em join em

[sharp meteor]

certainly does have a steeper learning curve than say havoc

[nimble jasper]

not wrong

[sharp meteor]

although once you have a grasp on the basics

[nimble jasper]

still feel mage has

a huge ceiling

[sharp meteor]

moderate to high floor, high ceiling

although in 2s floor is quite a bit lower

because impossibly durable and only 1 dps to control usually

like before triune nerfs u could legit be left 1v2 vs a mage and they'd live for like 5 minutes

[nimble jasper]

depends what dps too imo

[sharp meteor]

er 2v1

[nimble jasper]

no purge melee teams

way easier

than say hunter+priest healer

[sharp meteor]

oh yeah like feral eats the rogue while ignoring the mage, same with assa

[nimble jasper]

technically rogue also high ceiling

but the floor

drops

every damn expac

[sharp meteor]

mhm

honestly looking at outlaw and assa it's like

dang i wish i had a 30% wall on a 15s cd

and a baseline bolt that lasted twice as long on 60% the cd

[nimble jasper]

outlaw even shorter

[sharp meteor]

like holy dick

[nimble jasper]

the honor talent that reduces evasion cd

also reduces feint’s

[sharp meteor]

yeah outlaw actually immortal

[nimble jasper]

except into rm in 2s

funnily enough

lmao

[sharp meteor]

yeah i can imagine it's awk vs sub/fire

although honestly orc sephuz maybe chillin

[nimble jasper]

lose alot running seph

as pirate

[sharp meteor]

wishin craven didnt exist because assa with sephuz looks nice

[nimble jasper]

nah

you play outlaw

then craven is worthless

lmfao

[sharp meteor]

waiting on hardiness deletion so i don't have to play orc again

yeah for sure i just like eating sub rogues as assa

[nimble jasper]

sub eats outlaw

outlaw kinda eats assa

[sharp meteor]

yum

[nimble jasper]

7s kidney tho

+the fact if you run shadowdust in 3s

you can kidney two people

in the same go

@sharp meteor surprised there arent more yet

ran into a few mirrors but i legit 2-3x the other guy’s dam in the mirror

[sharp meteor]

YEEEEEP

HATE IT

[nimble jasper]

fun to play

not against

[mystic barn]

i like it

[fickle forge]

Enjoyed a nice 9 min damp game vs outlaw+MW

Sure do love getting peeled with double disarm, kidney, blind, gouge spam and RoP

Only way they die is when outlaw throws vanish and evas around like candy cause he's bored

[warped warren]

thats hot

[undone pumice]

[sand shadow]

оutlul wall defo not 15s avg

i sometimes get it back before my previous feint buff is done

and w/ the Nimble Fingers conduit, it's dirt-cheap energy wise too

[dry trail]

u guys play insignia in mirror match or vs melee in 2s ?

or aegis to counter the spell dmg from the healer ?

[undone pumice]

insig

[dry trail]

ok nice and when u take double time against bolt , mud plays double time warbringer every game xD

[undone pumice]

when u need extra mobility

usually i would take impending

cuz i plat without any healing abilities usually

from my partner

[jaunty furnace]

Wait why double time or impending every game? people don’t take storm bolt anymore?

[undone pumice]

u are squishy

u can still take bolt

[raw summit]

dt so you can run em over with warbringer

[lean burrow]

hey guys, any weakaura that tells me what I reflected?

I tried to search on wago but found only BfA scripts

I don't remember where but I saw some weakaura or addon that outright announces "reflected X" on screen on some player's video (maybe some streamer)

[warped warren]

theres an addon for it

spellnotifications

[full quiver]

Lost vs mw arms on my survival yesterday

Got arms to 10% 4x lol

[fickle forge]

How the fuck do you lose to arms as survival

[full quiver]

Apparently I'm supposed to go the MW whole game

[fickle forge]

[warped warren]

😂

unpossible

[dry trail]

is this good for 2v2 ?

[sand shadow]

yes

would prolly switch out brutal vit w/ IV HoT healing myself but its not a huge deal

[dry trail]

in mirror u play IV ?

dunno when to play IV or bolt

[sand shadow]

mirror?

[dry trail]

fury vs fury

[sand shadow]

warriors are so rare in 2s I never actually think about that

fury vs fury is not sufficient information

[dry trail]

also for rogue mage IV > bolt ?

[sand shadow]

these two furies have healers

ehhhh

both can be life savers

[dry trail]

can't get enough info from arenamaster some top warris play IV with conduit others condensed sphere with stun im getting confused

[sand shadow]

I prefer bolt a bit more, but it's defo harder to get its value

thats because they have multiple paths in the tree

if you have IV baseline, its 1 conduit that is usless if you run DT/Bolt

so you want it on a different path for when you actually do run IV

[dry trail]

ye true

[sand shadow]

hence my suggestion you consider swapping out brut vit w/ IV conduit

[dry trail]

since i will get IV when i think they will focus me

and safeguard not needed

[sand shadow]

yep

I mean, safeguard can be really good even then

but IV defo teh safer pick I guess

if you get tunneled 100% of the game, obv IV conduit wins out hands down, but if it's a comp that does switches, then safeguard's value obviously shoots up as well

since its mostly impossible to know unless a specific comp that plays similarly game-to-game

[dry trail]

yep that's why im confused

[sand shadow]

I tend to go for the pick I feel I get more consistent value out of

I mean, the IV conduit is nice but it's not a huge deal tbf

even long games where you get 6+ uses of IV

its not that much healing

[dry trail]

disturb the peace vs double dps or healer tunnel is nice aswell i think some top warris play it

[sand shadow]

the PH CDR one? Yeah, it's ofc good

problem nowadays is you're more concerned with 1. Living 2. so you can do monstrous dam

which is, kind of paradoxically, why DT/Warbringer combo is working out so well for many warriors

if you can absolutely slam your opponent into playing catch-up and have THEM worry about living

game is completely different

[dry trail]

very true

[sharp meteor]

bolt into their reck/conq or w/e is more dmg reduced than pending heals when it matters

have to try to slot pend in between their stacks

or reduced by half = not ideal

like u can use bolt to drop stacks

[sand shadow]

not to mention that often the time when you want to IV is when you're 8 stacks and the healing is kinda of meh anyway

[sharp meteor]

ypeypepype

[sand shadow]

esp in 2s w/ damp

that's also a factor

[sharp meteor]

i press impending with full stacks and the heal is legit gone before im out of the global

either need to time it well or just play bolt

[sand shadow]

if you play a 5min game, bolt's value is identical to the start of the game; IV-- not so much

[sharp meteor]

plya if warr gets frustrated and trinkets disarm or something they sit full bolt potentially during ur cds and fall behind massively as a result

[sand shadow]

in fact, since healing is dampened, bolt's value actually increses if you think about it

4s lockdown is more valuable @ 50% damp than at 20%

[sharp meteor]

yeah if bolt doesn't peel the dmg and/or there's no ms then i look at it more

[sand shadow]

but again, these picks can't be properly theorycrafted by just saying oh its a fury and im a fury (in 2s at least)

it matters what your healer is, and what the enemy healer is too

[plush roost]

bayzed

[sand shadow]

for example, If I run into MW/Fury, I know that I am very likely to lose if I go for a DPS fight w/ the fury

so I might be inclined to sit MW mostly, in which case I defo don't want IV, and perhaps even bolt is meh since they can port it

DT/warbringer, on the other hand, I get full value

etc

[dry trail]

ye lost to one MW / fury with less gear cause i coudn't get to MW and had to trade with warri all game at 1.9 cr

[sand shadow]

all things being equal (and you not playing w/ a MW yourself), I find it near impossible to pierce through freecasting MW

and I lose the mana game on top

even if I do something reasonable, like 10-15% dmg more

[dry trail]

though ironically the top 2 eu warris are kyrian

2v2

[sand shadow]

#doubt

Limps shows as Kyrian because he runs retwarr Kyrian 3s

same for Trille

[raw summit]

trille was necro last time i saw him q 2s

[sand shadow]

ofc he was

he runs kyrian in 3s because he played w/ a destro

which can onebang any class so long as he can cast and the target can't LoS

so it makes sense

[mystic barn]

it’s almost impossible to analyze peoples real builds on ladder Bc it shows whatever they logout with lul

“Why don’t top x y z run tier”

cuz they didn’t have it 5 weeks ago

[sharp meteor]

i think sqadov or w/e records talents

but like i haven't queued my warr in 4 weeks now

and im still kyrian arms up there

[spice hornet]

Remember like 15 years ago when the armory tracked rating and stuff

No idea why they haven’t improved on that since

[sharp meteor]

remember when armory tracked match history

[spice hornet]

Yeah

[sharp meteor]

and u could see which team queued into which

[spice hornet]

Lmao

Exposed thebwintraders

[sand shadow]

it still tracks rating

but they removed the match history

because they cba dealing w/ wintraders

which is how xunamate became a thing

[mystic barn]

@othere-outland

[sharp meteor]

surprised they haven't reworked r1 to be 150 wins above 2700 or something

just so they don't have to think about it

[mystic barn]

10w-1l -15 rating session

[sharp meteor]

lmao

seeing somebody using their elite warr/glad title and the tabard is like hmm

i wonder

[mystic barn]

You mean glad tabard

[sharp meteor]

he was trying super hard to make it work

[mystic barn]

nahh

[sharp meteor]

hm wonder if tauren or highmountain less shitypicky

[mystic barn]

it was just to show it off

[sharp meteor]

i just realized u can cancel bull rush

[sharp meteor]

of course

[mystic barn]

also I like my fat belt with elite tabard since tabard by itself is meh

cuts up the sameyness

[sand shadow]

cant remember the last time I thought tabards looked cool

[raw summit]

pvp tabards or in general

[mystic barn]

I didn’t wear one until last ssn

[sand shadow]

in general

[sharp meteor]

hmm maybe some of the legion ones

[sand shadow]

I used to really like the Arathi Basin one back in Vanilla

[sharp meteor]

primal and tyrannical as well as grievous was pretty great

[sand shadow]

looked Pog

[sharp meteor]

then of course wotlk top tier

[mystic barn]

My thought on chests not being 3d mostly is Bc I assume bliz assumes people only wear tabards

which is kinda annoying

[raw summit]

3d chest + tabard is cool

2d chest + tabard is lame

[sand shadow]

wtf is a 2d chest

[mystic barn]

where it looks like just stretched material

[sand shadow]

o_O

you mean low polygon count

?

[mystic barn]

nahh it’s like

[sharp meteor]

he means no 3d assets i think

[mystic barn]

just flat

[sharp meteor]

so most chests

especially ones that aren't modern

[sand shadow]

@sharp meteor ??? the chest IS 3d?

[sharp meteor]

?

[sand shadow]

you mean no stuff like on the belts

[raw summit]

yes

[sand shadow]

where they have stuff hanging

like a pendulum?

[raw summit]

the stuff like CN chest

is 3d for me

cuz shit sticks out

over ur tabard

[sand shadow]

ok i see what you mean

[mystic barn]

Where it actually looks like armor lmao

[raw summit]

stuff like s2 chest

doesnt stick out

[mystic barn]

and has girth on it

[raw summit]

is flat

is 2d for me

[mystic barn]

and not just leggings as a chest plate

[sharp meteor]

like this chest is just a texture, 2d, no 3d assets etc

whereas legs belt and basically every other slot has 3d assets

[sand shadow]

so this is 3D then?

[sharp meteor]

ya

[sand shadow]

since it's not flat?

[sharp meteor]

or just like

just anything

like that

also male tauren having 2hspecial on their mortal strike but orc not is tilting me so much it's unreal

[sand shadow]

I play max camera distance and don't even look at that shit myself

so i don't really care tbh 😄

[raw summit]

ye i also zoom out

[mystic barn]

Then why do u care about tabards

we all zoom out

Lol

[raw summit]

but zoom in during oribos

n stuff

[sand shadow]

i dont

[raw summit]

just cuz i zoom doesnt mean i wont have drip

[sand shadow]

its just that their appeal is nearly non-existent to me these days

it if twas super rare stuff

that'd make sense

[dry trail]

rawr

[raw summit]

Fix ur Belt

[dry trail]

vulpera

xD

[sharp meteor]

I thought it'd be funny and my healer thinks he's cute.

[dry trail]

it is

[sharp meteor]

I've spent the past week just playing new warr alts of varying races because I legit forgot what non-orcs feel like

[mystic barn]

Ya but when are u gonna play a real class

🤨

[sharp meteor]

ya orc rogue is right there but my hair isn't greasy enough nor is my posture poor enough

[dry trail]

haha

irl my hair greasy asf and i have a kurt cobain haircut

[mystic barn]

Take a shower

[dry trail]

i do every 3 days or it looks like shit

for hair

[sand shadow]

imagine meeting this guy in 2s

alongside this icon

[near delta]

I see that icon. I /afk.

[dry trail]

hahaha

[sand shadow]

whats worse is that this guy knows exactly how your dmg as fury works and has around 6 buttons to aids you so long as he remembers the proper keybinds which is hard cuz old

[sharp meteor]

Imagine getting bodied in the opener by this

[raw summit]

The illusion

Kinda bangs

[sand shadow]

I used to play vulpera in S1 cuz I did M+ prot

vulperas are Pog

[sharp meteor]

I've actually grown to like it

I thought that the cosmic enchant sucked on ptr but it looks nice now

[sand shadow]

thats a pvp enchant?

where do you get it

[dry trail]

2100

[sand shadow]

automatically or need to buy it

?

[dry trail]

cosmic smth shit

[sharp meteor]

auto

[dry trail]

automatic

[sharp meteor]

it's called like cosmic force or w/e

er cosmic flow

[sand shadow]

oh i see it

[sharp meteor]

idk it's like golden and shimmery which can look fine

i'd prefer a lightsaber like glorious tyranny but w/e

[sand shadow]

god damn those are some terrible pvp tabards

[sharp meteor]

ya i just pretend bfa ones dont exist

sl one smight have potential

but they're so finicky

u need to hide belt or something

[mystic barn]

Is that a cutout for a belt

Can’t tel cuz mobile

And touching grass

[raw summit]

If u dont have Belt itll be invis too

It's not good

[jaunty furnace]

how much versa do you guys have? if I use 4pc tier I lose so much versa

Idk if it’s worth

[raw summit]

30%ish

[lean burrow]

thanks!

[mystic barn]

you should be able to ding 30 with 4pc

or extremely close

[sharp meteor]

lol u overvalue vers

[undone pumice]

30% is all u want

[dry trail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atuFSv2bLa8

[ember totem]

@sand shadow agreed 😂😂😂

[mystic barn]

I have like 26% in maxed pvp gear 😎

[lucid walrus]

it is

pre-SL tabards didn’t have the waist textured

[mystic barn]

that’s so dumb/lazy? Lmao

[lucid walrus]

for glad tabards esp

kind of unreal

[jaunty furnace]

What pvp trinkets are fury warriors using in arena?

Besides medallion ofc

[sand shadow]

aegis/BM/insignia/badge @jaunty furnace

[sand shadow]

I play 36% don't @ me nerds

[mystic barn]

cringe

[sand shadow]

weaklings

how do you even get 26%?

im 4set and I have 36%, I can regem and reenchant away from versa but that won't drop 10%

guess you could run 5set and drop some?

or do you just go jewelry leggos and stat away from vers?

[mystic barn]

I gemmed haste / enchant mastery / converted belt to haste mastery belt and have a Andy ring

[sand shadow]

are you full gear? that still sounds too low

[mystic barn]

yes

[sand shadow]

belt gives me 2.4% vers only, so I drop to 34.0%

[sand shadow]

whats an Andy ring

[mystic barn]

anduin

[sand shadow]

oh

what 2hs? the crit swords x2? Those have lower vers than mace

[mystic barn]

I’m not fury or arms :^)

[sand shadow]

oh

[mystic barn]

You probs get bonus vers from 2 swords

[lucid walrus]

dk man

[sand shadow]

A SPY

[dry trail]

SPY

DK

[sand shadow]

[undone pumice]

so many spies in this disc

[sand shadow]

stealing our secrets

jealous of our mastery over Zug

im thinking of making a healer alt

mb then people will want to play with me

[wild cliff]

Necrolord best for fury?

[sand shadow]

majority of time, yes

[wild cliff]

How far behind is kyrian?

[sand shadow]

its not that Kyrian is necessarily behind but rather its capstone ability being cheesed left and right

people would prolly play far more Kyrian if they could switch in starting room

[mystic barn]

meh

[wild cliff]

I’m just getting into pvp, so I’m not sure if I wanna do all of necrolord

[sand shadow]

then dont

[wild cliff]

But if I get into it seriously, then I should do the necro coven

[sand shadow]

affirmative sir

[near delta]

Lmao trying to gear up my little alt in 2s

Playing at like 1800 mmr

Ran into Paulmor and Snupy

smdh

[sand shadow]

but dude, they doing the sick 42-0 challenge

[near delta]

Lmao

[sand shadow]

rolling shitgeared alts at 1800mmr

[near delta]

FORREAL

I'm like 269 ilvl on this dude

They just lost

good

[sand shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-worried-oh-no-anxious-gif-11565777

[fickle forge]

Snupy on his 12th feral

[near delta]

Imagine playing at 1950 mmr or whatever

Full geared

And losing to randoms

lol

[near delta]

I didn't realize snupy was on NA now too

LMAO they didnt count the loss

[lucid walrus]

lmfao

[fickle forge]

That's a lot of good willed faith to think ppl are truthful about that challenge

😎 👍

[sand shadow]

calling it a challenge is a stretch to begin with

[fickle forge]

"Yeah guys I did the 42-0 challenge, I got those loses before we did the challenge. My profile isn't showing on Xunamate? Idk must be bugged man"

[sand shadow]

2xMR1/tourney players (usually) trolling at 1400MMR

[near delta]

His viewers are giving him shit for it lol

[nimble jasper]

wasnt the og 42-0

not dropping your mmr

into the abyss

[sand shadow]

they were like 34-0 or sth, so 8 wins away from finishing the challenge, and @near delta says he was ~1800mmr

im sorry but that's not truly impressive

[near delta]

I think I was 1890

Rounded down haha

[sand shadow]

was NA 2v2 MMR also bugged btw?

[near delta]

Ah found it 1920

Yeah probably next game I saw them playing at 2K mmr

So something is wonky

[fickle forge]

Yeah bro, 34 wins in a row got us from 1400 mmr to 1800 mr

[near delta]

They were 1936

[fickle forge]

No sus at all

🙃

[sand shadow]

just a personal opinion, but I'd be more impressed by someone doing sth more reasonable, like 15-0 at say 2600MMR+

[fickle forge]

If you win 34 times in a row, you're probably 2.3k mmr at least

[sand shadow]

so how were they ~1920???/

how low was the pre-challenge MMR drop lmao

[fickle forge]

Assume you gain 30 mmr for winning against equal mmr

Roughly

[sand shadow]

so around 900MMR at 30 wins

thats some mordor mmr dropping

[fickle forge]

Something doesn't add up for sure

[near delta]

Dudes were unranked at the start lol

Feels like the only specs that really gear check me are locks and hunters

[mystic barn]

how is this a challenge xd

[sand shadow]

i haven't actually watched that challenge being done ever, if they're just doing it for fun and stream content its okay with me

if it's supposed to be an actual achievement, then

[near delta]

It's just content

But damn those poor peeps at the start

Probably lost a ton of cr to them with their mmr so low

[fickle forge]

Nuke boosting

[fickle forge]

Trille's 2.4k challenge 😎 👍

[sand shadow]

thats more impressive for sure

[fickle forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/873944893800714290/892488338576138290/unknown.png

It was good content ngl

[mystic barn]

And yes that is a resto Druid

That’s not bugged details

[undone pumice]

[mystic barn]

I have never witnessed someone make my class look so terrible in s2

and no he didn’t die early

he was hiding the whole game and just reapplying dots

[near delta]

Wait wtf?

Big dots

[mystic barn]

ya he was running draught or w.e cat form carrying trille

[sand shadow]

I never actually understood how that draught shit works, the tooltip confuses my old brain

like wtf is this tooltip??? im no undrastaend

esp since 3 are offensive dots, while the 4th is a hot on yourself/frens

does it mean you only need any 1 of them to be active at any one time to get the 40% increase?

[wheat jay]

either 3 dots or one hot

i think so

[undone pumice]

it said

"or"

so its def just 1

[sand shadow]

my read is that if any of these 4 is active on just 1 target at any time, you get the buff

[undone pumice]

i think is

if any of them

are active on just one target

its stronker

[lucid walrus]

i guess you only need 1

[fickle forge]

It's just when you have only one instance of X DoT/HoT active it gets buffed

[sand shadow]

but if you have MF/Rip/Rake, all 3, active on a single target

all 3 will be buffed yes?

[fickle forge]

His Rdruid was running draught, feral affinity and heart of the wild

[fickle forge]

Yes

[undone pumice]

anti cleave leggo

[thick reef]

Literally doesn’t matter what the tooltip says have all 3 on the target always

[undone pumice]

yea

on ur main target

its basically a non existant leggo for m+

[sand shadow]

jesus christ eu pvp is dead

20mins sitting LFG, not a single signup

[tough compass]

yep

[sand shadow]

not a single sign-up

[sly furnace]

What cr?:)

[wheat jay]

I'll Ask a better question

[wheat jay]

What faction?

[undone pumice]

[sand shadow]

horde ofc

cant find a single guy in an hour and you pepes think i have the luxury of playing alliance???????????????

@undone pumice is that a cappybara with an orange on its head

[undone pumice]

yes

whats the problem

[sand shadow]

ok just checking

why would I have a problem w/ a capybara with an orange on its head

[undone pumice]

what else would it be

idk maybe u have scurvy

[sand shadow]

nope, no scurvy

[undone pumice]

just checking if ur secretly and outlaw player

[sand shadow]

cant be eastern european and have scurvy are you kidding me

you get thrown into the trash like they did in 300

[undone pumice]

u can

[sand shadow]

ONLY THE STRONK

[undone pumice]

i mean

eastern europe = poor poor = no food

no food = no vitamin c

no vitamin c = scurvy

[sand shadow]

i am extremely wealthy

[undone pumice]

big

[mystic barn]

if ur so wealthy why not move to na to play wow on horde

[sand shadow]

who the fuck moves to NA to play WoW

[undone pumice]

cuz hes not bad at game

[sand shadow]

cant even imagine how much more dead NA is if its this bad on EU

[mystic barn]

na is live and vibrant

[raw summit]

[undone pumice]

na is cringe and has more asmongold fans on avg

[sand shadow]

i dont mind asmongold 🤡

[mystic barn]

who

[sand shadow]

[undone pumice]

[wheat jay]

Remember when asmongold was top tier mythic raider?

I remember

[undone pumice]

no

[sand shadow]

[wheat jay]

They won't

[sand shadow]

wtf is going on

[lucid walrus]

nightmare

[undone pumice]

u waited am hour for this

[near delta]

NA legit has more activity not sure why

Our raid lead is moving to the Netherlands from Texas soon.

Really dumb he can't move his account over to the EU region

[sand shadow]

thats actually true according to xuna

[nimble jasper]

which is weird considering

eu generally has more activity

[near delta]

I heard something about how Russia was a large part of that and most of them can't play now

Is that accurate?

[sand shadow]

they stopped sub payments yea

[undone pumice]

eu is mostly old men that raid with their wife and guild that theyve been raiding with since tbc

[sand shadow]

still possible to sub but in a roundabout way

[near delta]

Well I knew that part

[undone pumice]

and russians cant play anymore too

[near delta]

But wasnt sure what percentage was russian before

[undone pumice]

not as easily

theyve all been drafted

[raw summit]

the ruskis are still around

[nimble jasper]

so wait

[raw summit]

sadly

[sand shadow]

I mean, it's not like russians made a huge portion of EU playerbase anyway

[nimble jasper]

you cant sub with $$$ on eu anymore?

[sand shadow]

i frankly avoid them

if you're Russian, I believe you can't, yes

[nimble jasper]

ermm russia

[near delta]

Yeah

[spice hornet]

Eu knows it’s not fun to play the hunter bracket (2s) or the destro bracket (3s)

[nimble jasper]

I’ve only heard russians are notorious for making

2-3 accs to boost/sell

at end of season

[sand shadow]

eh

can't say i've noticed a pattern

but maybe, idk

[undone pumice]

dont forget the chicken/stealth bracket (disgusting world pvpers camping nodes)

[near delta]

Kasuo probably has so many gold capped alts at this point lol

[nimble jasper]

theres been a few eu r1s making na accs last season or so

surprising since game sucks for catchup

[sand shadow]

there are a few even now

[spice hornet]

Ever go into the maw

[nimble jasper]

its not wod where gearing a new char was piss easy

[spice hornet]

With war mode on

[sand shadow]

Drainer started a priest on NA like... last week

[near delta]

It's hell

[spice hornet]

And the alliance are camping the portal back to oribos all day

[sand shadow]

he's already 278pvp

[undone pumice]

and 50 alliance people gangrape you at venaris

[spice hornet]

Like how is that fun

[near delta]

They've been legit doing that since launch

It's crazy

[undone pumice]

and thats why we got cloak of venari

yea

the maw isnt hell

cuz its hell

its hell cuz alliance are camling it

[sand shadow]

why would you put WM on even as a pvper tho

[undone pumice]

more money

[near delta]

The funnies thing in shadowlands for me

[spice hornet]

Had it on a few times by accident for doing the PvP weekly in haven

[near delta]

Is that the door to maldraxxus is always a warzone

Really fits the lore

[undone pumice]

yeah

[nimble jasper]

but then people say sl gearing sucks

[undone pumice]

i obliterate every possible person i see there

[raw summit]

drainer is drainer

[sand shadow]

its gotten a lot better in 9.2

[undone pumice]

9.2 gearing is better cuz the majority hasnt stopped playing just yet

only 40%

[wheat jay]

Im oom need a drink

99% mana

[scarlet barn]

But what if

He started at 1000% mana

[undone pumice]

:ooo

[near delta]

41k execute into 30k mortal strike. Necro arms still got it

[undone pumice]

arms is so burty but only if ur good at game

[wheat jay]

He'd drink at 998%

[undone pumice]

[near delta]

lol

[undone pumice]

i mean

mvq isnt wron

but i dont wanna agree with a dh

[sand shadow]

he's missing the point is the point

[near delta]

He is but also

Mage lock doesnt really feel like the pinnacle of class design

[elder wigeon]

there's many other comps that have an identity still that're pretty true to how they've been since the dawn of time, like kitty cleave

yes the game's design is super trash, just look at RMP and MLX LOL with that being said, there's only really a few classes with what I'd consider "good" design

warrior design is okay at best, it's close to being good, but it's passable in a food fight of an expac like this one

[near delta]

Good metaphor

Have they talked about giving any specs the SP treatment next expansion?

[elder wigeon]

we have gotten the bare minimum of information about class design

[undone pumice]

resune what classe shave "good design"

@elder wigeon

[elder wigeon]

in this expac? arms, sp, boomie, disc imo

[undone pumice]

wtf

why not rogue

its been consistant for a long time

[elder wigeon]

rogue is dogshit design

[undone pumice]

sub at least

its entire thing is burst > run

since always

[elder wigeon]

that's not true

bc and wrath rogue stay in a lot

[undone pumice]

so since cata then?

[elder wigeon]

idk, I didn't hate rogues in the slightest in mop

[undone pumice]

ok then its more like assass and outlaw

[elder wigeon]

I fucking seethe when i see a rogue because it's brain dead now

[undone pumice]

assass and outlaw both stay in a lot

[elder wigeon]

I don't really care when i see assassination, outlaw pisses me off because it's better at being a warrior than a warrior

[undone pumice]

warrior is also kinda braindead tho no?

fury
build rage > rampage > kill people eith megaburst banner revk

arms
mortal strike
press ip
provide utility

[elder wigeon]

a spec doesn't have to be hard to be good

or i should say, it shouldn't have to be hard to be good

[undone pumice]

both are kinda braindead

[elder wigeon]

certain specs like sub have too much control and damage for how easy it is

[undone pumice]

assass dots u and 1 crits u with sepsis vendetta

sub bursts u and u die or he runs and theres nothing u can do realistically without spending at least 2 cds

outlaw is just better warrior

only reason u play warr atm is cuz u want to be a warrior with big 2handers and plate armor

[elder wigeon]

I'm not really sure what you're getting at

[undone pumice]

my point

warrior bad reroll rogue

[elder wigeon]

I'm not a fotm reroller

[undone pumice]

fote

[elder wigeon]

if warrior isn't viable then i just unsub

or designed so poorly i can't have fun on any level

[undone pumice]

didnt u say u multiclass when warr bad

just multiclass rogue bro

[elder wigeon]

no I've never said I multiclass when warrior is bad

I didn't multiclass in mop, warrior wasn't that insane in season 14 and 15, quit when wod prepatch happened because they gutted warrior beyond belief, i don't care if it was still fun for some people or still good, not the point for me personally

I don't multi-class now even though arms is bad unless it plays with an enhance, i just suck it up and play fury even though i detest it

[elder wigeon]

read the first part

I'm not gonna quit warrior and not main it

[undone pumice]

i said u can just multiclass

not entirely reroll

[elder wigeon]

yeah I can, arms sucks and I'm not multiclassing yet because fury is viable

[undone pumice]

idk i cant really play fury

despite mainijg it in bfa

[elder wigeon]

if fury and arms sucks then the game is probably really bad, if it's still somehow good but warrior sucks then maybe I'd consider playing something else but idk if that's ever happened other than season 13

[wheat jay]

Just came here, how can you actually say warrior design is okay at best while its the most complete class

Beyond me

[undone pumice]

wdym

arms has 0 healing

[elder wigeon]

I don't like the design personally

objectively it's one of the most complete specs for 3's

[wheat jay]

It does, but you have to talent into it, otherwise you gotta kill to heal

[wheat jay]

Okay fair, i didnt see you mention that

[elder wigeon]

heals or utility you pick

[undone pumice]

kill pet for victory rush

[elder wigeon]

that's warrior design

[undone pumice]

[elder wigeon]

the talent tree is a complete disaster for arms

[undone pumice]

warr is kinda lacking in cc but thats about it i guess

[nimble jasper]

sub feels like its design got borked

due to more recent pve changes

to make dance always up

[undone pumice]

and accidentally got everything?

[wheat jay]

Mmmmmm kinda agree

[nimble jasper]

mostly just dance not being a cd

anymore

[elder wigeon]

there's nothing you change because the alternatives are completely trash

[wheat jay]

Offensive options are fine, utility/CC/mobility is retarded

[nimble jasper]

which opens the way to getting so much control

[undone pumice]

yea

[elder wigeon]

you gonna pick anger management on arms? LMAO

so bad

[undone pumice]

dance not being a cd anymore just means

[wheat jay]

Right now, no

[undone pumice]

always have access to omega cc

mobility

survivability

[elder wigeon]

the tuning of arms talents is so beyond bad

[nimble jasper]

kyrian legendary made it infinitely worse

[wheat jay]

But it has been played many times over the course of bfa and iirc some people have been playing it in shadowlands

Rend was also played

Ravager kekw

[undone pumice]

rend should be baseline imo

[elder wigeon]

yeah rend is the only thing you swap out game to game

[wheat jay]

It should

But then again some people cba keeping up a dot at all times

[elder wigeon]

skill issue

[wheat jay]

Imo its fine as an option

[undone pumice]

its not just a dot

its a crit dmg increase too

[nimble jasper]

kinda weird how rend increases your crit damage

yet sub rupture

is purely a dot

nowadays

[undone pumice]

dont tive sub any more stuff?

pls

[nimble jasper]

sub used to have its dmg mod

attached to rupture

you needed rupture on someone to blast them

[undone pumice]

as resune likes to say most classess are irreperably fucked

[nimble jasper]

apply rupture and snd first

and premed just applies snd on the go

[elder wigeon]

yeah most are, they're not repairable in an expac

they need fundamental changes

[undone pumice]

they are

[nimble jasper]

sub atm esp with kyrian lego

[undone pumice]

just revert to 5.4

[nimble jasper]

is too capable to instant

cheap/kidney you

[elder wigeon]

those are fundamental changes lol

[nimble jasper]

into an immediate 7 pt evis

[wheat jay]

No

[undone pumice]

yes

[wheat jay]

No

[undone pumice]

give back stances

[ember totem]

Yes

[wheat jay]

I wouldn't touch warr with stances

Fuck that

[nimble jasper]

would say you had to stay in as wrath/bc sub more

[ember totem]

Warrior feels like a wet noodle

[nimble jasper]

cuz you needed rupture and snd going first

[wheat jay]

It was dogshit

[undone pumice]

then stay hunter u cunt

[nimble jasper]

would not call warrior a wet noodle

reck banner damage goes bonkers

[undone pumice]

ive been having a blast with tbc stances at least

[ember totem]

Pfffffff

[wheat jay]

Suck me left nutso

[undone pumice]

not so sure about mop stances

[undone pumice]

kinky

[wheat jay]

You like?

[ember totem]

Zerker was poo in mop

[undone pumice]

what about your witheted blackened right nut

[wheat jay]

wink wink

[nimble jasper]

damage is definitely not an issue with warrior

atm

[wheat jay]

Wait

Iirc you're not legal, i take that back

[undone pumice]

[wheat jay]

Anyway

If they were to bring back any iteration of arms, id rather it be 7.1.5 arms

Fucking piano in pve

And proper gameplay in pvp

[undone pumice]

legion

acc wait legion arms was kinda bussin

[wheat jay]

It was

And it had healing, albeit from artifact weapon and was kinda rng

But healing nonetheless xD

[undone pumice]

u had csmash and warbreaker right

[wheat jay]

Ye

[undone pumice]

and lvl cap was a clean

110

[wheat jay]

Pre 7.1.5 it was kinda weird

[nimble jasper]

can they nerf orc

[wheat jay]

Cuz it was terribly rng dependant

[undone pumice]

much prefer like

[nimble jasper]

so I can play something else

[undone pumice]

85,90,110,120

as lvl caps

[wheat jay]

After the patch it was fine cuz importance of rng was lessened

[undone pumice]

to any other number

[nimble jasper]

I still see a surprising number of undead rogues

even tho its major int

[wheat jay]

Remove

[nimble jasper]

compared to orc

[undone pumice]

prob cuz they rolled it a long time ago

[nimble jasper]

race change exists

?

[undone pumice]

ok but

thats kind of a waste

[wheat jay]

Some people go for looks

[undone pumice]

true

[wheat jay]

Like i'm never swapping my warrior race

[nimble jasper]

thats belf

[wheat jay]

Hunter i didnt care too much

[undone pumice]

i am lvling hmt warr right now

[wheat jay]

But warrior stays belf

[undone pumice]

for mortal strike anim

cuz its actual

bonk

[wheat jay]

Best

I still prefer belf

Cuz transmog looks the best on them

[jaunty furnace]

Female orc tho with tmog

[nimble jasper]

yeah

[wheat jay]

Nah

Running animation is bad

[nimble jasper]

some plate mogs look shit on belf