if a lock fires off 2 chaos bolts at once, i assume only the first bolt will be reflected?
#pvp
jolly light
undone pumice
none because some instant cast will hit you before the chaos bolts most likely
fickle forge
if a lock fires off 2 chaos bolts at once, i assume only the first bolt will be ...
If you manage to bypass all the random spells and reflect CB, he won't fire 2 of them because he won't get stacks on reflect
So basically, you just delayed your death by 1 cast
😎 👍
jolly light
haha well i definitely died regardless
but can chaos bolt be reflect whilst it is mid air? or is it determined when he finishes casting it?
thick reef
But you cant reflect a chaos bolt that is already in the air right?
thick reef
so you reflect just before the chaos bolt cast ends?
raw summit
It's gotta come before the cast finishes
jolly light
so he would get stacks even if you've reflected the first one no?
raw summit
That im not sure of
thick reef
Is it worth it to kick any of the warlocks general damaging spells? You kick a fear, you kick a chaos bolt maybe, but is it worth kicking anything else to mess with a certain damage school or something?
fickle forge
but can chaos bolt be reflect whilst it is mid air? or is it determined when he ...
Anything that's cast already counts as having hit you basically
No further calcs are done
You can't wall a mid-air spell either
fickle forge
Is it worth it to kick any of the warlocks general damaging spells? You kick a f...
Not on destro, you can maybe kick Cata to lock them out of everything except Chaos Bolt
Ah yeah and if you do wanna all-in, you can kick a shadow school to deny them their wall
thick reef
haha, yeah, im not even gonna try that next-level kinda stuff 😛 I know I should always kick eye-beam vs a DH for example, was just wondering if there was any destro spell I should always kick 😛
thick reef
yeah, figured as much. Kick what kills you 😛
jolly light
assuming they haven't got resolve up :p
undone pumice
so only kick shadow like fear and cb?
undone pumice
shadow(like fear) and chaos bolt
full quiver
Got up to 1600 as 230 but you'll be playing people 40 ilvls higher whole time
quasi minnow
What soulbind is best for arms In arena?
jolly light
anything else i can queue with in 2s other than a healer? i'm guessing only hybrids that can off heal
seems impossible to find a healer 😮
wet scarab
problem with warlock is if you kick anything that isn't CB they will proc resolve - in that window they will fire blast, soul rot, havoc, death coil and chaos bolt
you dont really need to kick their shadow spells as you can shattering throw their wall
fickle forge
Hence why it's an all-in strat
wet scarab
at the very least try not to kick when they are in the 7+ range of ritual of ruin
unless it's a CB
I've realised that when I'm having a lot of trouble with one warrior spec switching it up gets my mojo back
was having a lot of losses as fury last night and switched to arms and it was like wearing comfy pajamas
stopping goes left and right
iron basalt
why isn't single minded fury viable
undone pumice
its not univable
its just 2% worse or so
u could argue the speed can make up for it
but ur argument would have shaky ground to stand on
jolly light
why is it reasonable that fury warriors have to spend more conquest than any other class to gear up
jolly light
that would imply other classes are balanced around having two 2hs
wet scarab
mobility really isn't fury's problem
even double time is a bit overkill into most comps
undone pumice
that would imply other classes are balanced around having two 2hs
historically fury has been limited a lot cuz two 2 handers give an in fucking credible amount of stats compared to 2 1 handers or a 1h and an offhand
earnest wharf
smexxin's guide indicates he feels SMF is close enough it's basically a wash between the two. A little less health from less stamina but the tiny dps difference is offset by the speed
i'd agree it's pretty annoying that even if it's just preference, if we want 2X 2h weapons, it slows down our gearing for the first few weeks of the season though. If it's close enough it's almost a wash it should cost the same
sharp meteor
smf should just be outright worse by quite a bit
earnest wharf
in the past at least for like raiding, wasn't SMF a little more ST dmg and 2h a little better cleave?
near delta
They were nearly equal at the start of the xpac but over time Titan's Grip gets wayyy better with the stat diff
earnest wharf
5% is pretty major, that seems just like poor balancing on blizz's standpoint.
raw summit
i got a jetis 
earnest wharf
there's basically no scenario where SMF is better other than bad RNG and you can't get the same tier of 2h weapons as you got for a 1h?
undone pumice
incredibly fucking strong
raw summit
there's basically no scenario where SMF is better other than bad RNG and you can...
ye if the ilvl disparity is huge
smf is better
but that has to be like 20 ilvl
undone pumice
phil arena?
raw summit
no
undone pumice
sharp meteor
there's basically no scenario where SMF is better other than bad RNG and you can...
ya
frank knoll
I’m currently SMF but that’s cause I’m gearing and it’s easier this way for now
Looks really awkward
raw summit
oh ye how are smf animations
sharp meteor
the same i think??
i really wanted to play it because smol weapons would look neat for once
ember totem
smf for pvp? is it any fun?
raw summit
if u like doing less dam but more zoom
sharp meteor
smf for pvp? is it any fun?
less dam health health some movespeed
looks cute to use butter knives tho
sharp meteor
ya lower economy which is nice for setting up initially
but rly just buy the maces probably
sharp meteor
Double mastery bis?
probably
raw summit
i just want teash 
ember totem
haste is still pretty neat for fury right?
sharp meteor
yeah best stat in general
near delta
Def wanna play around with more mastery
ember totem
you want to focus versa, haste and mastery for pvp yea?
sharp meteor
it's like haste>vers or haste/vers into mastery imo
crit might be cool with necro tho? maybe?
ember totem
ahh cool
damnit guys now I want to try it out so badly
currently playing arms
but ive heard it gets a buff tomorrow?
sharp meteor
i thought buff was live
but yeah arms takes too much dmg
bad outside turb and retwarr imo
rapid shore
buff went live last reset
ember totem
ahh rip
arms is so boring to be fair
so sick of it
but what if I want to play as fury, should I choose specialization as protection?
if I am going to play with smf
worthy fern
@ember totem if you’re intent on playing smf just stay fury loot spec
Cause you’ll get shields as prot
undone pumice
yeah but
if u want exclusively smf
prot is better
cuz it cant drop 2h
both are shitty if u want smf
smf is shitty
ember totem
still a fun way to play tbf
elfin surge
what do you think about fury + dh ?
dh war is good
raw summit
huge zug
dry trail
with holy priest is best ?
sharp meteor
what do you think about fury + dh ?
it's good just need to have them swap off dance ms i think
as it'll rip off slaughterhouse
humble dew
New to pvp and tried as mage but having not alot of fun like that. been thinking of going Fury or Ret. What would you guys say is the go to for newer pvpers?
sharp meteor
fury super beginner friendly i think
jolly light
how do you deal with destruction locks? sit on them the whole game?
sharp meteor
u pay close attention to havoc coil cd as well as their tier stacks
fickle forge
dh war is good
When do I witness fury+NF Hpala?
sharp meteor
When do I witness fury+NF Hpala?
killing people in opener every game as fury made my healer want to setup nf on pala
i wanted to try nf hpal unh fury
wet scarab
was doing the world pvp quest today as NF arms and this DH tried to gank me while I was tabbed out, turned around and 2 shot him with an ancient aftershock and execute
fickle forge
killing people in opener every game as fury made my healer want to setup nf on p...
Could push about 12k on opener with my ilvl 240 0p arms warr with an Hpala that didn't have Unity, so you can probably easily push it to 30k+ as a geared fury warr
wet scarab
I think I'd rather do arena as NF arms than kyrian
ember totem
hey guys, deathmaker or tormented kings for fury in pvp?
ancient sonnet
either
ember totem
aight
sharp meteor
i think signet is probably better but deathmaker proc prior to or during a go is like
you just kind of like kill people through all their buttons
ember totem
ah okay
sharp meteor
idk signet just feels really nice
sephuz also seems fine/good especially into cc heavy stuff
ember totem
alright lol
fickle forge
One Chad stands out amongst all the betas
wet scarab
what a chadlord
ember totem
ohhh thats sexy!
earnest wharf
aren't we supposed to do lootspec Arms until we have our weapons specifically to make that NOT happen? lol
elfin surge
aren't we supposed to do lootspec Arms until we have our weapons specifically to...
@flat tide
sharp meteor
aren't we supposed to do lootspec Arms until we have our weapons specifically to...
That's correct.
Arms is 2h, fury is 2h and 1h, prot is 1h and shield
2h, specifically 2h mastery is bis for fury, so arms is 100% chance of a good wep and 50/50 at bis from vault
flat tide
<@163735316203569164>
Fuck
frank knoll
I might make deathmaker, kinda sick of Signet. Wanted to try Reckless defense too, also leaper is troll
lucid walrus
don't have any gripes with deathmaker tbh
frank knoll
Also check ur pet journals. Turns out I had like 150k gold worth of pets in there to put on the AH
sharp meteor
How check that, psure i have at least a few mill in pets
lucid walrus
would just compare your rares/leveled ones w market price tbh
frank knoll
I don’t fw pets like that so I had no idea until my friend told me. Had a rare Hydra from TBC that is worth like 75k gold alone
lucid walrus
zanda anklerender is pretty damn good for instance
i just have the ones that made old wqs easy though
frank knoll
Some of the maw ones sell for like 1-3k too
sharp meteor
Also check ur pet journals. Turns out I had like 150k gold worth of pets in ther...
oh interesting
frank knoll
Am I reading that right
10 mil
frank knoll
Gd
sharp meteor
i told everybody i knew back in mop-wod to buy tcg with me and nobody did but to be fair i got bored and used most of mine
sharp meteor
I might make deathmaker, kinda sick of Signet. Wanted to try Reckless defense to...
leaper has potential maybe hmm
regen thing seemed weak when i tried it
unless u whirlwind to aoe the rampage hits
but maybe just having wall back sooner is all yuo need
frank knoll
Yeah apparently they spectral tiger form TCG sells for a lot on EBay
frank knoll
but maybe just having wall back sooner is all yuo need
Yeah that what I thought seemed cool, good into like BM hunters and demolock or maybe for BGs
sharp meteor
ya sadly only have item not card
sharp meteor
Yeah that what I thought seemed cool, good into like BM hunters and demolock or ...
mhm yep i was wondering maybe into like cleaves and/or pet teams MAYBE?
frank knoll
Currently Tiger is going for 7k USD
frank knoll
mhm yep i was wondering maybe into like cleaves and/or pet teams MAYBE?
Play it with AM and the 4 set and you’ll have reck up alot too
sharp meteor
my partners throttle me whenever i don't play RA
spice hornet
What’s getting glad in tbc classic like compared to retail? Easier or harder? Assuming warrior
sharp meteor
hm not sure but a friend who couldn't get past 2k in bfa is getting glad on there now so it's probably just a different kind of game
frank knoll
Yeah I wouldn’t wanna lose RA either too strong
sharp meteor
RA is just so much power with banner if you don't get peeled
I just imagine it'd be AM into stuff that can disrupt conq/ra goes
because having most power in 2 minute go isn't ideal
as much as I love hacking somebody down through literally all their defensive cds and trinket sin the first 20 seconds with conq/reck/pi
frank knoll
That’s why I like playing Kyrian over Necrolord tbh
Spear does like 50k damage on its own
sharp meteor
ye
jolly light
wtf, ferals opening with convoke & x2 immunity trinket seems a bit busted
anything i can do apart from reflect? 😄
tough compass
insta trinket + wall + leap
jaunty furnace
sharp meteor
Yep.
frank knoll
There’s like no 9.2 fury guides on YT
sharp meteor
i mean u press rampage u press raging blow
lucid walrus
smexxin has a google doc guide
elfin surge
frank knoll
So press W
Also no BM hunter (my main) guides
frank knoll
Give Hunter a disarm
elfin surge
yeah lets give every spec in the game disarm and also a mortal wounds
sharp meteor
I think that there's always going to be a bit of a learning curve to casters where, like, bad melee beat the shit out of bad wizards, especially in casual content, which creates this weird perception that casters aren't good or whatever
jolly light
bring back weapon chain
sharp meteor
because they get ran the fuck over by dks/warrs/havocs who just press everything and kill them in 10-20 seconds
whereas in arena they stand in a triangle and the warrior dies
rustic geyser
should i switch up , battle trance , iv , iv conduit for some dps ones ?
frank knoll
Yeah like a bad ele shaman gets ran down by pretty much anyone but a good one will make you want to alt +f4
nimble jasper
because they get ran the fuck over by dks/warrs/havocs who just press everything...
mage i feel is the biggest
bad mages get rolled
good ones make you wonder
why is fire still a thing
frank knoll
Or good Arcane mage. Now they’re all trying Mitchjoness one shot people
jolly light
reflecting a freezing trap is so satisfying 😄
wet scarab
I don't understand why any caster has disarm like why does a moonkin have the ability to take away my weapon
sharp meteor
i mean that's fine and it can be dispelled
wet scarab
yeah but just in-game consistency-wise why do they have that ability
sharp meteor
grapple is what's cringe because it's ranged physical short cd full duration goes through parry etc
sharp meteor
yeah but just in-game consistency-wise why do they have that ability
they throw pixies at you that make you drop it idk if anyhting fire should have a disarm because it heats up your weapon or something
wet scarab
btw AM is really nice into mirror teams and other melee cleave comps that don't run away from you
usually if I have AM and the other warrior has RA I win 100% of the time
just much faster cd that almost guarantees a kill in the second major go
undone pumice
fire disarms your weapon by melting it
wet scarab
fire disarms your weapon by having the rogue kill you
undone pumice
frost disarms by freezing it and if he shatters you after that it permanenetly gets deleted
undone pumice
rogue sap icon is like a mace with steel on the end
im assuming u just get bonked by it?
realistically how are our woe chars not dead after 3 saps
wet scarab
because I get very angry and break it which makes my head immune
no berserker rage icon so this will suffice
near delta
grapple is what's cringe because it's ranged physical short cd full duration goe...
The range on grapple is insane. When the MW disarms you from across the map
rustic geyser
should i switch up , battle trance , iv , iv conduit for some dps ones ?
sharp meteor
getting declined from like 40 different 3s and rbgs is like the most cooked thing ever i hate lfg and everybody who uses it
near delta
getting declined from like 40 different 3s and rbgs is like the most cooked thin...
Does that include yourself?
sharp meteor
yes
undone pumice
getting declined from like 40 different 3s and rbgs is like the most cooked thin...
fuck u too
nimble jasper
getting declined from like 40 different 3s and rbgs is like the most cooked thin...
low ilvl alt i guess
near delta
Yeah LFG feels so much worse than last season. Has participation really fell that far?
sharp meteor
Yeah LFG feels so much worse than last season. Has participation really fell tha...
yes
nimble jasper
idk if healers in lfg got worse
near delta
I'm at around 2150 rn and it's literally a 2 hour wait to queue up 3 games and someone leaves after we lose a dumb game vs an MLX lol
near delta
I mean you can also just die to ransom shit right now pretty easily.
earnest wharf
i think there's a major shortage in healers, or the ratio of dps to healers is far greater than 2:1 so most groups take what they can get
near delta
I watch r1 healers just get bonked pretty regularly
nimble jasper
yeah but some people
just
dont do shit
or cooked plays
like half stun
near end of dr
male tauren druids
dr warstomp
earnest wharf
at least in RBG's, at any given time there's like 6 groups that are 1/1/6 or 1/0/6 with too many melee and missing healers to start
sharp meteor
remember to appreciate ur healers because they are quite stressed right now
nimble jasper
@thick reefxvila
nimble jasper
@clear halo
undone pumice
@clear halo macro
undone pumice
/cast [@clear halo] Spear of Bastion
near delta
should i switch up , battle trance , iv , iv conduit for some dps ones ?
3s or 2s and what comp are you playing?
near delta
maybe the conq/honor budf means some actual humans will q their alts
Low MMR is ridic
Been trying to grind up my surv but 3s queues just legit don't exist
And the people that are there have crazy stuff like unupgraded honor gear from last season and no ledgendaries
I saw a guy who had both lmao
rustic geyser
3s or 2s and what comp are you playing?
more 2s
near delta
Unless you're playing with another dps
nimble jasper
people with no legendaries/235 legos
honor gear not upgraded
etc
last season i saw mfs with 190 legos
near delta
people with no legendaries/235 legos
I played with this poor hpal on my alt warr I'm gearing up yesterday
Didn't know tier was a thing
nimble jasper
seen so many low mmr healers
with the base unity
how people not have revered on one yet
rustic geyser
Yeah so for 2s you really need either bolt or double time
but
iv is survivability like crazy
i just die without it
raw summit
idk i feel like im fine without
rustic geyser
ì'll try
raw summit
u just gotta zerg smarter
rustic geyser
zerg?
raw summit
iv lets u eat a lot of stuff face on
without you have to be aggressive smarter
and actually run on cooldowns
jolly light
why can i sometimes see freezing traps on the floor, but other times i cannot?
rustic geyser
this good ?
nimble jasper
why no safeguard conduit
sharp meteor
yeah just make sure u have intervene conduit
only instance i see u going both endurance if is u know they won't look at teammate
jolly light
are there any high rated warriors running SMF?
rustic geyser
smf ?
sharp meteor
less dam less health etc
jolly light
cheaper weapons 😄
sharp meteor
it's cheaper but that's it
sharp meteor
ya
sharp meteor
its where u play fury but with a 1h
instead of 2hs
and it's called single-minded fury or smf
right now it's undertuned and probably not worth playing as 5% movespeed kind of poo for 2-4% dmg and a bunch of hp
raw summit
either works
sharp meteor
idk craft them both and try
raw summit
where could 2 bladestorms come in handy
near delta
what situations tho
Biggest thing I've seen is NA people tend to run signet and EU people tend to run death maker. Not really sure why
Also good lord that EU ladder deflation is brutal
Fury warrs above 2400 in NA
And in EU
ancient sonnet
What site is that from?
sharp meteor
idk but those sites kind of meme as it only shows what people log out in
jolly light
Also good lord that EU ladder deflation is brutal
stuck at 1450 over here plz send help
ancient sonnet
Ah I've just used Murlok
sharp meteor
like 3 of those 4 leapers aare swifty
near delta
idk but those sites kind of meme as it only shows what people log out in
Yeah lol
sharp meteor
and 0-3 of the deathmakers are me
i feel like i have only played like 100 games of deathmaker
raw summit
stuck at 1450 over here plz send help
run over them harder
sharp meteor
signet just feels super reliable by comparison for sticking damage during conq/reck
jolly light
sadly at 250 PvP ilvl i am the one being run over 😄
ancient sonnet
I dunno I've run almost exclusively deathmaker and I feel like it's up all the time if I get to just pve someone
near delta
signet just feels super reliable by comparison for sticking damage during conq/r...
Plus you can BS your reck procs
sharp meteor
just gotta have the confidence to swing into people so they think you know something they don't
i had a pretty good time in shuffle on my new warr despite no gear
near delta
The answer to all problems as fury is zug harder
jolly light
actually yeah i had a good experience in shuffle, feels like strong damage even with weak gear
sharp meteor
games end by second dr so if you conq reck then either signet or bladestorm the cc and get an okay fear that'll turn most games in your favor
rustic geyser
hmmmmm
sharp meteor
just absolutely slam damage into the smallest guy who is least likely to mitigate it and it warps the whole match
rustic geyser
Fury warrs above 2400 in NA
interesting
well i litteraly dont know which could be better
dont want to waste rating trying
sharp meteor
its like 20k to craft each just make them and try them out
near delta
I mean its just personal preference
rustic geyser
got no gold as well
north thicket
Some miserable pvp experience on my alts made me wonder...
If dmg is already too high what would it be in S4? Is it even worth sinking time into the game?
I do pve, I see locks everywhere (and mages/hunters tbh). I do pvp, I see the same classes
F this
near delta
Some miserable pvp experience on my alts made me wonder...
If dmg is already too...
Know one can know. There's a good chance there will be a ton of balance changes by then.
Well some balance changes lol
north thicket
Let's hope so
sharp meteor
Idk but as long as they don't nerf Fury then we chilling
north thicket
I bet they are going to. It's how vocal some other class players are.
Every shit fotm mage, lock, priest, hunter reroller is already whining about fury t4
mystic barn
Random reck procs should proc signet
jolly light
did someone say solo shuffle is going rated? 😄
frank knoll
Yeah boy honor + conq buffs means I can gear my warrior this week
nimble jasper
Some miserable pvp experience on my alts made me wonder...
If dmg is already too...
im in the minority I think
and believe dmg pacing is fine
wet scarab
I mean this season’s balance changes gave us the current iteration of holy priest
sharp meteor
game doesnt feel that deflated
ya idk maybe it's diff on eu but na everybody kind of spaz
lot of people messing around on alts tho
jolly light
Yeah boy honor + conq buffs means I can gear my warrior this week
what buffs? they are increasing conq / honor gains?
sharp meteor
what buffs? they are increasing conq / honor gains?
40% more honor, 25% more conq, no conq cap
jolly light
oh that's nice, i didn't see any mention of that in the forum post
nimble jasper
that’d prob break m+
near delta
At the very least bs reck procs should proc ra
near delta
that’d prob break m+
Yup fury s++ tier
wet scarab
Would get us close to locks in m+!
This is basically what they do
Rain of fire procs rain of fire procs rain procs infernal procs rain
raw summit
healer btw
wheat jay
Just did more dmg than healing
wet scarab
On you kekw
sharp meteor
wtf is this
negi negi
lucid walrus
Oh mind games?
don't think mindgames interacts w/ it, bro just got railed thru it
must've just cc'd heal & blasted
jolly light
feels bad
tbh first time seeing that ray of hope stuff, 2 of the guys had 2600+ rating so i assume they knew what they were doing 😄
near delta
tbh first time seeing that ray of hope stuff, 2 of the guys had 2600+ rating so ...
If you see a big ray of light on you, you're being rayed
jolly light
what can i do? i saw the priest pop boon with immunity trinket so i popped enraged regen + shout
still died in 1 😄
near delta
Really good time to cc the other teams dps
Since your healer is playing a game of tug of war against the other teams dps
ancient sonnet
If you died because of Ray it's because your healer didn't toss you heals after raying you. Or you took huge D
jolly light
i see, it's shuffle and since i was full hp, i probably didn't get any heals
ancient sonnet
Well Ray stops all dmg and healing for ~5 seconds. All that healing/dmg is applied after the effect. So you're still getting hit you just dont see the results. Healer has to keep that ray 'positive'
sharp meteor
so basically the way ray works is that it pauses dmg/healing then accumulates both but you take 50% more healing and at the end you're dealt the amount
if you get rayed then healer gets cc'd then they hit into it it goes blue/negi and u implode
elder wigeon
I’ve seen a 600k positive ray
sharp meteor
yeah my sham had like a 90k healing surge into ray/ga
elder wigeon
If you had regenerative stone skin with that, it would be a hot that’s ticking for like 10k a second
sharp meteor
i was looking at that talent just because of how much overhealing hpal can do
elder wigeon
Kek
elder wigeon
But venthyr tho
sharp meteor
conq is just such ooga booga power
elder wigeon
Game doesn’t last long enough for venthyr to matter
near delta
itching to try venth more
Lmk how it goes. Been thinking about trying it out.
I didn't play warr during s1 really missed out lol
sharp meteor
i just setup another alt warr and every game over in first conq
which makes venth seem kind of weaksauce
fickle forge
merce liked
near delta
merce liked
The best response lol
fickle forge
Rednex is a chad man
Unironically you sometimes hear RM(X) player on stream go "He trinketed the x3 resonator + Combust go, what an idiot he's dead next go in duel"
mystic barn
Just iv during ray of hope for 90k ivs
last prairie
resonator was a mistake
nimble jasper
resolve was a bigger mistake
near delta
I'm pretty sure they made resonator with the idea that you could aegis it in a stun which is why it blocks 100% of cosmic damage
long hound
can you cancel the last hit of rampage if you spam another ability that goes off right after global?
near delta
can you cancel the last hit of rampage if you spam another ability that goes off...
Nope
warped warren
The 3x resonator go without bust is absolutely infuriating
resonators casually hitting 32k each
lucid walrus
was so dumb when it could crit man
spear, stun, double reso --> "yeah he's fucked lol"
shut tangle
@elfin surge hey mud ive been watching your streams the past few days and i just have a few questions, when you have time can i dm you?
raw summit
why not just ask in stream 
shut tangle
bc i dont want to take up his time while he is playing with other people and helping other people who might need it more than i do.
spice hornet
i really love killing the enemy hpriest in solo shuffle only to lose because we have to wait out guardian
i mean spirit healer(
near delta
i really love killing the enemy hpriest in solo shuffle only to lose because we ...
Same it's sooo troll
spice hornet
lmaoo
elder wigeon
bc i dont want to take up his time while he is playing with other people and hel...
The other side of that is you’re taking his free time instead of when he’s helping people, it’s okay to bug people sometimes just own it
shut tangle
thats true ig my main question is if i should switch from kyrian to necro
and whether to stay arms or fury for turbo
warm pollen
where should i craft unity after i get the 12k reputation ?
from unity
belt
to what slot ?
elder wigeon
I’m never playing kyrian again as fury or arms
elder wigeon
to what slot ?
Non tier slot, preferably a slot that’s socketable
warm pollen
is waist too bad?
elder wigeon
Bad idea
warm pollen
ye i think ill just leave it there?
elder wigeon
Enduring blow goes on waist
warm pollen
i use it on head when im playing arms
warm pollen
and im using signet at ring when playing fury
raw summit
tier helmet and shoulders are HV so imo those are set
then u have one open tier slot to go for stats
lucid walrus
put my unity on neck tbh
lucid walrus
chest ain’t bad
raw summit
so i ended with legs DM boots unity
or rather will end once i have the will to farm the glods
thats sus for the sockets
but those are coming soon
elder wigeon
I put unity on wrist cause cheap, least amount of vers lost and socket
elder wigeon
You can min max as fury and use haste vers on hands but I’m fine with tier hands
raw summit
u can catalyst to mast vers boots btw
elder wigeon
Pretty cool but I like 30% haste
I just gem mastery If I’m gonna be playing insignia a lot
mortal wyvern
what's the biggest ally pvp realm atm?
elder wigeon
I don't think there is, any remaining alliance players are all on backwater servers
mortal wyvern
I don't think there is, any remaining alliance players are all on backwater serv...
lol sad
elder wigeon
lol sad
orc is too strong in this kind of meta, and there's no cross-faction play yet
post 9.2.5 patches will be a little bit better, but something HAS to change with orc, it's really bad for the game
nimble jasper
honestly feel cross faction only thing thats gonna happen
is druids going nelf
maybe nelf rogue too
maybe not on the nelf rogue though orc is super good in mirrors
mortal wyvern
back then ally used to be good
nimble jasper
wod too
mortal wyvern
I was maining pandaren monk lol
nimble jasper
panda is int
mortal wyvern
killing horde while leveling up
spice hornet
keep losing games as ret warr into rmp because
q
the priest is wearing rez leggo
actually getting so sick of it gopnna just uninstall til s4 and hope something changes
elder wigeon
kekw
near delta
When you just let the enemy player pummel you while the priest is rezzing. Then the priest comes back to life and lays on hands himself to full.
mystic barn
i was blessed having a stun immediately ready for hpriest revive today
first time being able to instagib out of revive
near delta
I had a stun and the priest faded it then layed on hands one time
I wanted to scream lol
ember totem
Did you guys get anything nice from the vault?
elder wigeon
yep got a weapon on my main that I needed
ember totem
Ohhh nice, I havent opened mine yet
mortal wyvern
I took over the catalyst
noob shammy was throwing everyone down. No upgrade for him 😄
ember totem
Kek
still mauve
https://gyazo.com/718653f34cf5b395bb947cfc54e6c77e what is this green icon?
elder wigeon
wormhole generator
raw summit
to the right is healthstone
humble dew
Hey i heard necro is better if you queue with oter melee. But i'm new to pvp and dont really have people to queue with yet. Is kyrian the better option then?
raw summit
necro
elder wigeon
Hey i heard necro is better if you queue with oter melee. But i'm new to pvp and...
necro fury is BIS period IMO, some still really like kyrian but I'm never touching it again
humble dew
Alright thankyou!
elder wigeon
kyrian plays a bit better for arms, but arms doesn't have any comps other than turbo that would even "demand" it
kyrian is still good for fury, but it's a bit clunky
necro banner is pretty insane for turbo still, massive ele blast chain harvest combos
humble dew
Yeah im more interested in fury. Just wasnt sure about covenant.
raw summit
kyrian so fuckin weird as fury actually
elder wigeon
necro fury is bread and butter
elder wigeon
preferably you proc reck and have enrage up
elder wigeon
it's not too terrible, reck -> rampage -> spear -> rampage
raw summit
ye but during reck id wanna spam CB
elder wigeon
i don't wanna say spear doesn't scale well, but spear just doesn't feel good anymore, every mage is so well practiced at bugging it out, that it's not particularly useful against anything but melee cleaves and you don't need spear for them unless playing with a wizard and guess what warrior can't play with currently
undone pumice
i saw a warrior use black magic to get out of my spear today
raw summit
so a bop?
raw summit
what key do u have
if its something low we can perma spam and reduce it for valor which is big stonks
raw summit
i got shit ass cloak and pvp gloves on dk
so bit of a mid vault
but should be able to hit 273 this week with a bit of grind
mystic barn
deez
undone pumice
who
jolly light
isn't vault loot irrelevant now without the conq cap? I had good options in the vault but i took the socket instead
elder wigeon
No, sockets
I also like getting a second mastery 2h that i don't have to spend 14k honor on
jolly light
yeah i forget about the honor grind
undone pumice
or a 2h without crit
jolly light
not too bad at low rating though 😄
elder wigeon
on two of my warriors I picked up a socket and on my main I picked up another 2h, I have 5 sockets, I can wait another week for another socket, i cbf to grind a 2h
gonna be so refreshing in dragonflight to not have bullshit upgrades to deal with, i can just pvp in peace
humble dew
PVE andy question incoming. Do you guys normally gear up just through PVP? got a 220 fury rn. No tier sets. Crafting the lego and unity in a bit. Would you still do PVE at this point since i'm so undergeared?
idle oxide
my problem with Kyrian is that the spear seems to be bugged AF...
Last night did a game, Rdruid was busy casting cyclone on my partner, threw spear on him mid cast. He finished his cast, went bear form and just walked out of it...
Sometimes spear works, and sometimes not. It has become an RNG bloody ability.
Went back necro after that and just smashed my head on the keyboard and won games... Never touching Kyrian Spear again.
raw summit
use that even if its pve
humble dew
well ur best bet is honor gear
You cant convert this into tier right?
humble dew
Idk how much tier set does for fury in arena. But arent i gonna struggle alot without tier then?
raw summit
its insanely good
jolly light
does offhand ilvl contribute much to damage? or should i upgrade other pieces first
undone pumice
rampage
elder wigeon
yeah it's half your main hand
elder wigeon
raging blow too
undone pumice
also is it a bug
if i target swap after i cast rampage
not all the hits connect on who i cast it on
elder wigeon
zero clue
everything warrior has hits with both weapons iirc
off hand dmg is 33% of ur dmg
elder wigeon
like i said, 33% of all of your ability dmg comes from offhand
jolly light
any double DPS comps that work for warrior in 2s? i am spending forever waiting for healers just to farm conquest
warrior + enhancement maybe?
or warrior DK
raw summit
not dk
jolly light
yeah trying it now and it doesn't feel great, if we don't zugzug them in 2 seconds then i'm dead
elfin surge
any double DPS comps that work for warrior in 2s? i am spending forever waiting ...
Feral/war, i've played it pretty high last season and it still feels strong.
jolly light
Feral/war, i've played it pretty high last season and it still feels strong.
thanks will give this a try
frank knoll
I’ve seen Fury/Enhance in 2s also
runic galleon
is signet the thing go to legendary
undone pumice
dn
iron basalt
Dm has my vote but signet is just as good
dry trail
where do you guys have unity bracer is good or recraft to helm later ?
dry trail
Idd
ancient sonnet
Lot of warriors have Unity on neck
marble marten
@steep inlet that was u on rogue?
marble marten
gg
elfin surge
deez
civic storm
Hey guys just getting back into wow after a long break , noticed fury is doing well in PvP so I’m super stoked for something different ! Just wondering what’s the fastest path to getting geared because right now I’m getting absolutely destroyed, also do I need the LFR raid set ? +3s of recklessness one
sharp meteor
Just convert conquest stuff. No PvE.
civic storm
Omfg I just sold all my conq gear as I thought it was useless 😢😢😢
Ok so because I’m a moron , what would you guys suggest for me to get back on top with basically garbo gear
sharp meteor
Omfg I just sold all my conq gear as I thought it was useless 😢😢😢
Your...current season conquest gear?
Old stuff can't be converted.
civic storm
Well I only just came back now that patch 9,2 is out
raw summit
Make a Ticket to get current stuff back
civic storm
Oh nah
raw summit
If u cant buy back
civic storm
I don’t have any conquest gear from this patch
raw summit
To clarify
civic storm
That’s what I’m asking
civic storm
I’m asking how to get geared now I’m returning
civic storm
How to get conq when I get shit on in arena
raw summit
Honor gear
civic storm
Even bgs I just drop so quick cause I’m assuming my gear is toilet
civic storm
Oh all my stuff was like 220 ish
raw summit
Oh yea get honor gear then
civic storm
Ok so just run arenas and get stomped till I can get conquest gear ?
raw summit
That Upgrades to 259
civic storm
Oh
raw summit
Id get it from bgs
And with enough honor gear bridge into arena
Buy your 262 crafted item
civic storm
So only option is go into PvP and get rolled till I got enough pieces to do ok
raw summit
Or have high enough pve shit to have that carry u for a bit
civic storm
What is that from the honor gear ?
raw summit
No
So how it works is
You have your pvp items
And with this System you get to add the tierset bonus ON your pvp items
civic storm
Im a bit confused , do you get a list of different tiersets to pick to put on this gear ? Or do I have to get the tier set and merge it with the PvP gear
This is all news to me
raw summit
You put the piece in the printer
It comes out as a tier piece
"X of the infinte infantry"
If you have 2 or of 4 "of the infinite infantry" Set items
You get the Bonus
You can either loot these items or make them with the printer
If u put pvp items into the printer i can still upgrade them and they retain the Bonus ilvl in pvp
civic storm
Jesus Christ that’s confusing
So for me
Best way is to do lfr to get the tier pieces
Then do PvP to get the gear I want to upgrade
raw summit
Dont do any pve just do pvp
civic storm
Then print onto pvp gear
raw summit
And put pvp items into the printer
please remember
Bonus only on Helm hands chest legs and gloves
civic storm
Ok I’ll screen shot that
raw summit
The printer gives u one "charge" of print per week but they store up
So you should have 5 or 6 i cant remember where we are now
raw summit
When you go to the new zone zereth mortis the quartermaster npc will offer you "the catalyst awkens" and itll send u there
I call it a printer for simplicies sake
late nacelle
Yo, haven't played shadowlands since castle nathria. Arms or fury better for 2s with a restosham?
sand shadow
both work, Fury better overall, esp w/ a rsham imo
since you can zug-zug better as Fury and rsham is shit unless you're apeing
that said, its been a while since I've given Arms a fair shake at this point tbf
radiant hollow
is kyrian maybe better in 2s with a healer? or necro on top prob?
sand shadow
kyrian is almost for sure worse overall, when you average it out
since 2s is hunter/hpriest land
both of which cheese your spear
radiant hollow
true
sand shadow
they work, yes
late nacelle
So basically I need to get them
sand shadow
i wouldn't play venth tho
mystic barn
Donkey u saw my @ right
sand shadow
@mystic barn nope? whats up?
@late nacelle yes you can insta craft 4 set now
just need cosmic flux
late nacelle
Oh and you can have 2 legendarys now?
raw summit
Ye
late nacelle
What a spicy time to come back to the game
mystic barn
When u were asking if necro wounds were bugged
mystic barn
Seems that way
sand shadow
I know Ray is weird, it shows as dam on the scoreboard too right
mystic barn
Been seeing 150k death strike heals on log
sand shadow
What a spicy time to come back to the game
yes you get the 2nd leggo, a belt w/ the "Unity" leggo power, which automatically switches to your current covenant's leggo for your class
you get it by finishing teh campaign in Zereth Mortis
but it's 265ilvl and has shit stats that you can't change, so you need to eventually get Revered w/ The Enlightened to get the Memory of Unity and then you can craft it on any slot w/ any stats at up to 291ilvl
late nacelle
Oof
Sounds like that'll take some time
Arms burstier than fury still tho? Arms for burst fury for pressure?
sharp meteor
Arms burstier than fury still tho? Arms for burst fury for pressure?
Arms is so melee cleaves don't instantly kill you, also better cleave
so you've got turbo and maybe retwarr otherwise play fury (which is also excellent in retwarr and turbo)
rustic geyser
is battle trance a must ?
sharp meteor
Nope.
nimble jasper
psure people dont even use enduring rage
rustic geyser
what is ms ?
late nacelle
Cleanse roots still?
rustic geyser
i get it sometime
rustic geyser
same for blood rage
steep inlet
It’s mandatory man
steep inlet
Because enemy healer will be OOM faster
late nacelle
What
undone pumice
the only time u will swap it is vs stuff like rogue mage 2s
rustic geyser
hmmmm
nimble jasper
im legit concerned
late nacelle
Fury has mortal strike now
rustic geyser
damn lol
nimble jasper
if you dont understand the value
late nacelle
Thats crazy
nimble jasper
of an ms
steep inlet
:D
nimble jasper
in pvp
undone pumice
Fury has mortal strike now
a better one than arms
late nacelle
Tied to bloosthirst?
undone pumice
rampage
late nacelle
Ah
undone pumice
up to 40%
nimble jasper
assuming you dont q into specs
late nacelle
Arms is 25%?
undone pumice
yea
nimble jasper
that cc you on the 6th stack
undone pumice
and sharpen on arms is 50%
undone pumice
yea
rustic geyser
aa tbw i had enduring rage cause of not 4 tier set
undone pumice
but
nimble jasper
Queue into furies on my alts
undone pumice
ur likely not gonna keep 8 stacks on slaughterhouse ll the time
late nacelle
So we have nearly 100% uptime on 40%
undone pumice
its a very tight window
undone pumice
rampage = 4 hits
every hit = 5% debuff stacking to 40%
2 rampages = 8 hits = 40% heal debuff
this is why slaughterhouse good @rustic geyser
rustic geyser
i know its good
late nacelle
Nah just always save trinket for when 1 hit = 1 kill
late nacelle
They cc think they live but u insta trinket exe and win the game
undone pumice
or arms with dt/bolt
late nacelle
Fury execute has been lackluster start of xpac at least
nimble jasper
yeah
undone pumice
it still is
rustic geyser
this a good setup ?
rustic geyser
WHY
nimble jasper
good teams can instant stun your trink
late nacelle
Does it hit like arms now
rustic geyser
:D:D:D:D
nimble jasper
and kill through
elfin surge
and thats rogue mage 2s
wtf
nimble jasper
why are you playing battle trance
undone pumice
they heal a lot less than other comps
elfin surge
@undone pumice did u say rogue mage doesnt heal that much
elfin surge
🤨
undone pumice
as someone with a healer
undone pumice
are any other double dps viable in 2s?
raw summit
but it adds up
elfin surge
hmm my main team healers must suck because every fire mage out heals them
nimble jasper
feral sp
undone pumice
hmm my main team healers must suck because every fire mage out heals them
true
nimble jasper
sp+any hybrid
late nacelle
If I want executes oneshotting them 35 to 0, arms or fury
sharp meteor
god i wish mage/rogue didn't heal much
raw summit
hmm my main team healers must suck because every fire mage out heals them
TRUE AND REAL
nimble jasper
lock spriest
raw summit
on god
sharp meteor
rogue gets a re and tops himself
block full heal as rogue stops shatter
alter without a dispel
undone pumice
bro i got told slaughterhouse wasnt mandatory vs rogue mage
sharp meteor
shields without dispel
nimble jasper
rogue gets a re and tops himself
rogue gets a re
nimble jasper
sits in stealth
sharp meteor
blink plus resolve
sharp meteor
i hate mage so much it's unreal
undone pumice
i wonder what details would look like if i tracked healing
elfin surge
i hate mage so much it's unreal
we're warriors 🤣
sharp meteor
stupid uninteractive ability literally can't do anything
elfin surge
we need bfa reflect back
undone pumice
step 1
late nacelle
Or was that an old xpac hmm
nimble jasper
also ngl teapot
elfin surge
this piss reflect needs to go
nimble jasper
outlaw one of those specs
sharp meteor
i think reflect needs to be a 1-2 second window
nimble jasper
fun to play
sharp meteor
1 spell is awful
nimble jasper
not fun to play into
late nacelle
Mate
nimble jasper
rofl
late nacelle
I havent played for a looong time
elfin surge
fire blast sheep me 😐
nimble jasper
kevin the homie
undone pumice
sharp meteor
yeah mirror teammate sike gets fire blasted off mid poly
rustic geyser
BUT
undone pumice
swap battle trance for disarm or bloodrage