pvp

[wheat jay]

But they were made with bad shadow death magic

Theyre not bad

[sand shadow]

doesn't matter

[wheat jay]

But theyre fucked by light

[sand shadow]

the holy light is like jesus

[undone pumice]

they are literally just corpses with lightless force enchant

[sand shadow]

it forgives ❤️

[wheat jay]

No

It doesn't

It wanted to rape illidan

[undone pumice]

it didnt forfive isis it wont forgive the undead

[wheat jay]

Into being a submissive light slave

[sand shadow]

not a slave, precisely

[wheat jay]

Slave

[undone pumice]

not a slave

[wheat jay]

Remaking him so he follows the light

[undone pumice]

just a bdsm puppy

[wheat jay]

Sounds like slavery to me

[lucid walrus]

the scourge were protagonists

[sand shadow]

certainly can be construed that way, which it was by Illidan

[undone pumice]

agreed

[sand shadow]

and in this case it was just an overzealous naru

[undone pumice]

anything that kills vulpera is a protagonist

[lucid walrus]

if you read KT’s lorebook it’s actually dope

[sand shadow]

like how real life religious peoples turn into zealots etc

[wheat jay]

It was THE naaru

It was pope of the naaru

[undone pumice]

it was the prime naaru

[wheat jay]

Jesus of the light

So it trying to make illidan into a submissive dog

Means that light is not good

[undone pumice]

thats like disenchanting the entire wrynn lineage and every stormwind noble simultaneously to kill that naaru

[sand shadow]

I don't see it that way

[wheat jay]

Shit's evil

Or at least not universally good

[undone pumice]

its not good or evil

it just

be

[sand shadow]

I see it more as a metaphor for good intentions

[wheat jay]

Ye illidan did well to tell it to fuck off

It didnt listen

[undone pumice]

the light is like willpower

[wheat jay]

So it got disenchanted

[undone pumice]

for azeroth ppl at least

u just need to be

100% there and will it to come

and it comes

[sand shadow]

besides, Xe'ra is just ONE of the prime naruu, plural

[undone pumice]

thats why the scarlet xrusade was able to use the light despite being evil

[wheat jay]

Last of the prime naarus iirc

Meaning its light jesus

Or light god

[sand shadow]

and if we assume Xe'ra was Jesus, then Elune is likely God

[wheat jay]

Elune is a robot

Confirmed recently

She's winter queen's sister

[sharp meteor]

catmom nelf players in shambles

[sand shadow]

yea i know

[wheat jay]

Lmao

[undone pumice]

isnt part of the lore

malorne banging elune

[sand shadow]

still think the Light in the lore is fundamentally a force of Good

[wheat jay]

He banged a robot

Elune is a sex doll confirmed

[undone pumice]

he banged a robot then got his neck snapped by archimonde kekw

[sand shadow]

thats my read at least

[wheat jay]

Nothing is good or bad actually

[undone pumice]

yea thats the thing with wow lore

[sand shadow]

Okay, put it another way, good from our PoV

[undone pumice]

then yes

[wheat jay]

I wouldn't call it good

[undone pumice]

light good

void evil

[wheat jay]

Beg it for help and MAYBE it will help

[undone pumice]

locks = scum of the earth

[sharp meteor]

skyhold pvp - lore discussion

[wheat jay]

Yes

[undone pumice]

the light will help you if you adopt its doctrines usually

[sand shadow]

I mean her zealotry at the end doesn't mean Xe'ra wasn't a fighter for good overall is my point

[undone pumice]

if you even slightky doubt your action you wish to use the light for

itll fail

which is why the crusade was able to mostly

and arthas wasnt in stratholme

[wheat jay]

It had a grand a plan and disregarded everyone else

[undone pumice]

like sylvanas

or half the warcraft villains

[sand shadow]

I mean sure she was scheming and such, but her end goal, from what little we know, aligned with ours, for the time being

e.g. oppose the Burning LEgion

[wheat jay]

It also aligned with THE JAILER'S PLAN

[undone pumice]

so did illidan in tbc

dumfuk

[wheat jay]

Meaning that she worked for jailer

End of story

[sand shadow]

and this all goes full circle to

tauren rogues

[undone pumice]

yes

[wheat jay]

Yes

[undone pumice]

and undead priests

[sand shadow]

perhaps if fucko Illidan didn't smash Xe'ra in pieces

we'd have a tauren rogue-less future

[wheat jay]

He did well

[sand shadow]

but no, he had to go and do that

[wheat jay]

She deserved to be disenchanted

100%

[undone pumice]

yhis expansion wouldnt have happened

[wheat jay]

You dont remove someone's tattoos without permission

[undone pumice]

which would be a plus

[sharp meteor]

the chandelier fucked around and found out

[sand shadow]

flimsy naaru

[undone pumice]

imagine trying to disenchant smth and it disenchants u

[wheat jay]

Legit, illidan disenchanting the lightbulb was my favourite moment of legion

[sand shadow]

imagine getting oneshotted by an Eye beam

pathetic

[wheat jay]

And top 5 of wow moments for me

[sand shadow]

twas a good story for sure

and the cinematic was a banger too

[wheat jay]

Yep

[undone pumice]

fav momentcin legion was when i got ganked in silverpine when i was lvling my first char

[sand shadow]

I really, really, really like the Lords of War miniseries too

the artstyle was amazing on that

[undone pumice]

from wod?

[sand shadow]

ya that one

[wheat jay]

Which one was that?

[sand shadow]

introducing the various heads of clans

[wheat jay]

Ohh ye

[undone pumice]

groms one bro

[wheat jay]

Was nice

[sand shadow]

really well made I felt

[undone pumice]

THE fucking HELLscream atcthe end

[sand shadow]

too bad the expansion was poop

thankfully I didn't play it at all

[wheat jay]

I wonder what's gonna happen in Dragonflight

Cuz first raid is the Elemental vrykul one

With the chonky Boys with big arms

[undone pumice]

im scared of the new

[sharp meteor]

imagine swinging your 2h sword with all your might and the angsty guy with greasy hair catches it in one hand by the blade

[undone pumice]

hold ability system

[wheat jay]

And its just enemies of dragons, that's all

But what's next?

Void and corrupted alexstrasza?

[sand shadow]

@sharp meteor DHs broken confirmed

[wheat jay]

2nd alexstrasza sex slave arc?

[undone pumice]

imagine u hold down ur execute for a minutexin df

[sand shadow]

i am most excited about a Void Lords expansion myself

[undone pumice]

and u 1 shot some1

[sand shadow]

everything about them sounds badass

[wheat jay]

Alexstrasza 2nd sex slave arc tho 👀

[undone pumice]

like full 100 to 0 w/o cds

[sand shadow]

alexstrasza bores me at this point

[sharp meteor]

literal sylv tint gonna take over now that she's gone

[undone pumice]

stupid red hoe

[sand shadow]

but the guys that legit created the old gods?

those sound cool

[wheat jay]

Mehh

[undone pumice]

dflight seems like amuch simpler expansion

than

[wheat jay]

Ye but

What happens in 10.1?

[undone pumice]

THE FKIN AFTERLIFE

[wheat jay]

Cuz 10.0 is just chill raid

[sand shadow]

them not showcasing an "enemy" in the DF cin is why most people found it underwhelming imo

no real action

[wheat jay]

With nothing super special

[sand shadow]

felt Sadge

[wheat jay]

But 10.1 is big unknown

[wheat jay]

Koranos tho

Man's a chad

[sand shadow]

I mean sure

[wheat jay]

0 words

Only actions

[sand shadow]

I liked it myself

[undone pumice]

idk prob infinite flight again in 10 1

[sand shadow]

but stuff like sylv's for the horde

times change in wod cin

[wheat jay]

And he's personality is 10x better and deeper than nipple man

[sand shadow]

these are emblematic

[undone pumice]

or

YOU ARE NOT PREPARED in tbc

[sand shadow]

nothing emblematic in DF cin imo

[undone pumice]

or

[sand shadow]

well sure, these get people pumped

DF cin doesn't get people pumped

[undone pumice]

LET THEM COME, FROSTMOURNE HUNGERS

[raw summit]

jailmans only redeeming quality are the nipples

[sand shadow]

only zero-action cin that is remembered fondly is WoTLK

[undone pumice]

all pog

[wheat jay]

Haiyaaaaaaaaa

[sand shadow]

everything else had fighting in it, no?

[undone pumice]

woylk had fighting

[wheat jay]

Pandaland

[sand shadow]

it did?

[wheat jay]

10/10

[sand shadow]

Pandaland had fighting

[undone pumice]

undeads fighting eachothers

[sand shadow]

o_O

[wheat jay]

Werent fighting

[sand shadow]

they were marching

[wheat jay]

Just watching Arthas

[sand shadow]

werent they?

[undone pumice]

they were

[sand shadow]

and getting pumped

[undone pumice]

then

a dragon

frostblasted em

and they started marching

[sand shadow]

what no

[undone pumice]

yes

[sand shadow]

tauren rogue

[undone pumice]

tauren rogue

[wheat jay]

Tauren mage will be worse

Stun into poly

Db into poly

Anything

[near delta]

Druids already got stomp into clone on lock. Stomp/poly is gonna be brutal

[sharp meteor]

frost/arcane gonna be able to setup their own cc with shimmer stomp into poly ree

[fickle forge]

Mages: "We want Deep Freeze back Blizz!"
Blizzard: "We hear ya! Now you can be taurens"

[sharp meteor]

i mean dmg out of bolt and into stuff like ebonbolt would b sick

er frostbolt

then deep to setup polys

would be less aids than current frost by a mile

[thick reef]

How hard do you think fire mage are gonna roll the ladder next patch

[wheat jay]

Same as always

S tier comp in the form rmp

[thick reef]

Well that and also

Bracers are back

Next season

🤔

[wheat jay]

Theyll roll over people as always

Whether its with or without bracers

[undone pumice]

what bracers

[thick reef]

Mechagon

[undone pumice]

who

[thick reef]

Reset fireblasts

[wheat jay]

Just rmp is eternally s tier

[undone pumice]

the fuck

[thick reef]

Yeah I think they get 2 extra

[undone pumice]

the

[thick reef]

So like

[undone pumice]

fuck

[thick reef]

You gonna get rolled

So hard

With extended combust

[undone pumice]

man am i glad i didnt play any pvp in bfa

[thick reef]

Reaping flames too

Was insane

[undone pumice]

just cried about getting outdmgd in m+

when its less than 20 dps diff

[thick reef]

Yeah I played boomy s4 bfa so I was getting so rolled in keys

[undone pumice]

i played warrior in s4 bfa

[wheat jay]

Bracers were so busted that even m0 version was broken

In pve

Dunno about pvp

But also mechagon was the most sold dungeon

[undone pumice]

wait do we get atal dazar in s4?

[wheat jay]

Bracers and mechagon bike trinket

Iirc no

[undone pumice]

good

[wheat jay]

Only big dungeons

Also, getiku was kings rest

[undone pumice]

idk

same place

literally 2 ft away from eachother

i went 200 kr keys eithout

one

geti ikku for me

[thick reef]

Bro I forgot about bike and drest

Back in the day when trinkets one tapped you instead of people 🥺

[wheat jay]

And we got grenade now

/spit

[spice hornet]

why does random bg seem to have a higher chance of being seething shore

[wheat jay]

Cuz there are no rated seething iirc

[lucid walrus]

rbg seething ain’t a thing anymore ya

[fickle forge]

Thanks for that

[sharp meteor]

hardiness nerfs when

[fickle forge]

Good meme

[sharp meteor]

Bike coming back next season, although probably won't see play because trinket bonus.

It was funny to watch it roll out and blow somebody up.

[thick reef]

Yeah I would imagine they slap the trinket dam nerf on that like they have all non pvp dam trinkets this expac

[sand shadow]

holy crap outlaw is freaking cheating in 2s

finally got some gear and literally got 2.1k for free w/ like 90% winrate

I have games where I am doing up to 6.5K DPS jesus

and I am very much still learning

and not even full gear

this shit should be illegal

[scarlet barn]

@raw summit warlock influence

[raw summit]

[sharp meteor]

right? lmao

on god it's the best spec in the game rn

but people are dumb and don't play it in 3s for some reason

[warped warren]

[raw summit]

@mystic barn

[sharp meteor]

[nimble jasper]

did you play shadowdust or blunderbuss

[undone pumice]

i am famous

[nimble jasper]

people are stubborn i think

some of it also probably is the fact outlaw doesnt have some of the new rogue idiotproofing

i.e double step

subterfuge

[sharp meteor]

why is everybody in lfg so picky realistically couldn't have better qualifications for somebody who just needs a gutter mmr meathead to run at people

[nimble jasper]

instant long stun

[sharp meteor]

everybody just defaults to sub/assa

[nimble jasper]

i feel outlaw thug can be really good

tbh

[sharp meteor]

there will be some outlaw guides in next few weeks

couple clickbait videoes

outlaw will start popping up in rmp more

then a lot other stuff

[nimble jasper]

yeah

[near delta]

It's the cycle

[nimble jasper]

but theres a sea of bad mages who cant function

without an instant kidney

off the rip

@sharp meteor assa rmp meh imo

sub being able to evis someone for over 50k in 2 gcds tho lmao

i smell outlaw rlx/thug popping up before rmp

[nimble jasper]

you see the vid

jelly playing necro mm thug

into wizards

[near delta]

I haven't lol

I thought outlaw would have taken off after Pika played it in AWC

[nimble jasper]

moreso after whaazz played it i think

they just trained locks

whole game

and won

[near delta]

Gotta put the lock menace back in their place

[undone pumice]

why are arenas so stimulating

[nimble jasper]

necro mm kinda

dunks on casters

well mm in general

[fickle forge]

Hear me out though

MM+destro

[nimble jasper]

its great fun into other rogues in 2s

[fickle forge]

Chaos Shot

Aimed Chaos?

[nimble jasper]

you just never let them play the game

also play kleia for free crit

[undone pumice]

mm destro is a plague

[near delta]

I love how all these peeps who only got glad last season are suddenly "MGlad" when they sign up on LFG.

[elder wigeon]

people stretch the lie as far as it'll let them

[sharp meteor]

lfg is so weird u either overshoot or undershoot

[undone pumice]

some1 ezain to me what glad, mglad r1 js like ???

[raw summit]

glad = got dragon

mglad = got multiple dragon

r1 = season title

example "Sinful Gladiator Mesw"

r1 is the actually really good people

last season cutoff for it was like 3800

[undone pumice]

wtf does got glad mean

2400?

[raw summit]

yes

2400 + 50 win

[undone pumice]

wtf

[sharp meteor]

multiglad just meant that you didn't luck out with a broken pick

now it just means "i played corrupted and unchained"

[undone pumice]

what if ur

muktiglad but

bfa s4 and sl s3

lock

[raw summit]

ye thats what hes sayin

[sharp meteor]

pov ur a 3k warr and trying to setup an alt

[raw summit]

or u played rmp all of sl

[undone pumice]

all of wow

and was on comms

[raw summit]

but is inflated rating

actual demon lfg

[sharp meteor]

and if they do ask current exp and i link main they're like um no

idk what i even look at lfg

all my healers get on later so like

[undone pumice]

lfg issue

teapot eu?

[sharp meteor]

no, am burger

[undone pumice]

unlucky

[sharp meteor]

back into bgs and shuffle i go

[undone pumice]

couldve helped u with my epic

213 enh sham

[sharp meteor]

lmao

[raw summit]

enha cage mr hobsta

[undone pumice]

nooo

i dont wanna go to enha cage

before i set up macros ofc

[elder wigeon]

~3375 in NA

[raw summit]

ye i think i remebered wrong

was 3600 eu

no?

[sharp meteor]

3800 was like absolute top of the ladder

cutoff is top 0.1% not literal #1

[undone pumice]

whos top right now

[elder wigeon]

there's a lot of r1's I consider terrible, more specifically from season 1, a few from season 2

[undone pumice]

whaaz rmp tony jungle?

[sharp meteor]

s1 was weird because everybody got it from sitting for 5 months

[elder wigeon]

there was about 550 r1's in season 1, in season 2 it was around 150

[undone pumice]

s1 was weird cuz venthyr warr was a thing

[sharp meteor]

including my partner and would've been my second partner if they didn't get banned

[sharp meteor]

yeeeee sinful was wild

[undone pumice]

sinful as a whole was just like

wtf bro

why renown locked?

[elder wigeon]

No, s1 was weird because pver's disproportionally got r1's from their mythic gear and parsing with mouth breather comps

[undone pumice]

who did this

[sharp meteor]

my healer was ticked because im like bro this is gonna be the most inflated season in history lets chill and push later

and it was on track to be but they rugged mmr super hard

imlike first season pve gear is op drake is awesome it'll be like 20k people getting this dragon

[elder wigeon]

mmr got nerfed in 9.0.5 and everyone quit quing, the meta shifted pretty heavily too

I was one of the few teams still qing near r1 range

[nimble jasper]

idk why but

mglad just sounds like an eu swine terminology

[undone pumice]

wtf

[sharp meteor]

idk it used to mean something

[undone pumice]

why must u hurt me like this

[sharp meteor]

now glad i sjust like show up suffer through some games

get edgy dragon

[nimble jasper]

like the weird eu

who cant englando proper

so make up weird shit

like "dudu"

[undone pumice]

listen english third language no bullying

[elder wigeon]

i mean this is the consequence of glad being a season participation trophy and not a top .5% title

[sharp meteor]

everything except r1 free

reee

[elder wigeon]

pretty much

[nimble jasper]

"yeah i played something really offmeta like kindred kittycleave"

[undone pumice]

wtf

[raw summit]

this except warrior

[nimble jasper]

where all the kitty players go

this season

[elder wigeon]

I still play kitty

[nimble jasper]

ik but its just funny

how like

90% of the kitty players

[elder wigeon]

Kitty is very rarely meta

[nimble jasper]

fell off the face of the earth

[mystic barn]

havent seen dh boomy abusers either

[sharp meteor]

i mean yeah it was unga bunga retord strength last season

legit just trinket random shit and still kill

[elder wigeon]

kitty was meta for a bit in wrath, but other than that it's usually A tier comp at best

[raw summit]

now kitties suck

[elder wigeon]

nah

[raw summit]

or are tonyferalmovie

[nimble jasper]

@sharp meteor friend made a meme

[elder wigeon]

kitty cleave doesn't suck

[nimble jasper]

"does what season glad as rmp matter since rmp always broken?"

[elder wigeon]

Yes, glad doesn't mean anything after bfa

so any legion or prior rmp glad is infinitely better

[sharp meteor]

s2-3 bfa is actually rare

like so rare

rarer than tbc shit LMAO

[nimble jasper]

s2 bfa?

[sharp meteor]

DED

[nimble jasper]

wasnt notorious infested with

crucible geared dhdks

ermm

sinister

notorious was guardian druid cleaves

and rmpal

[sharp meteor]

partially why it was dead lmao

[elder wigeon]

mop glads in s12-13 are actually exceptionally rare

[undone pumice]

good to know what im struggling to be at half the rating of is considered to be free

[nimble jasper]

I was having a trip in japan

as the stabdh tanking out of r1 range drama happened

in sinister

[elder wigeon]

there was only about 750 players that got glad in tyrannical season, including 5's

[undone pumice]

when did 5s get removed

[elder wigeon]

wod

[undone pumice]

so from tbc to mop u had 5s

[sharp meteor]

wod

[undone pumice]

i was told wrath wtf

[elder wigeon]

yes and you could get r1 in 2's from tbc to wrath

[undone pumice]

5s seems like itd be fun

[elder wigeon]

no

[sharp meteor]

it wasnt

[nimble jasper]

i thought 2s glad got removed

after tbc

[sharp meteor]

2s glad removed in relentless

which was uhh toc

[undone pumice]

wtf

whats wronf eith 5s

[elder wigeon]

the balance lol

[sharp meteor]

ok lemme give u the rundown

premade 5v5 is hard to make popular because u need 5 people right

[elder wigeon]

also that

[undone pumice]

mm

[sharp meteor]

that leads to reduced participation and

wintrading at 5 am

so wintrading = titles stripped

titles stripped = no participoation

no participation = removed because dead

[undone pumice]

this happens in rbgs too im pretty sure

[sharp meteor]

basically it was haha meme bracket where u play 5 fdks while drunk and 1-bang people in opener

[nimble jasper]

eu last season

[sharp meteor]

matchmaking bad because only so many teams around because nobody could premade 5v5 even in giant games like league

[nimble jasper]

any 6am wintraders

[sharp meteor]

euthanized

[undone pumice]

muktibox 9 alts and have ur friend multibox 9 alts

[nimble jasper]

eu in general

so sweaty with wintrading

[undone pumice]

200$ 2400 in rbg

[nimble jasper]

and boosts

swear to god

[raw summit]

yo remember when they banned boosting

[undone pumice]

wtf do u have against eu mich

[raw summit]

its all this

[raw summit]

hes na

[undone pumice]

all of tradechat is anal [killshot] or

EINGESPIEKTE GRUPPE VERKAUFT MYTHIC [THE JAILER]

[nimble jasper]

its just a weird amount of boosting

esp with the russian r1s

really sketchy stuff

[raw summit]

germam realm

LUL

we call this

[undone pumice]

or EINGESPIELTE GRUPPE VERKAUFT 10-20 KEYS 180K GOLD PER KEY

[raw summit]

Arschkarte

[undone pumice]

then u insoect him

hes 233 ilvl in zm blues

[nimble jasper]

I never hear anything good

[raw summit]

susy

[nimble jasper]

about the non english eu realms

besides the danish ones

[undone pumice]

wtd

[raw summit]

is dark place where we dont go

[nimble jasper]

the danish realms seemed to have produced some pretty good guilds but overall

[undone pumice]

listen

when 3 of ur brothers

have been playing on jermin realm

for 10 years

u kinda gotta go on the same realm

or am i mistaken

[nimble jasper]

3 brothers

cannot relate

[raw summit]

1 brother but he followed me to my realm

so ye

[undone pumice]

3 brothers all atleast 5 yrs older

[raw summit]

3 is too many

[undone pumice]

and also cousin plays wow wit me sometimes

but how do i say this hes kinda

shit

at every game he plays

[raw summit]

runs in the family huh

[undone pumice]

wtf

how could u hurt me in this way

[nimble jasper]

idk NA kinda similar

you avoid the latin american realms

[undone pumice]

im being rassismd

[wheat jay]

They didnt ban boosting

They banned communities

Boosting is still allowed

[raw summit]

loopholing cunts

[wheat jay]

Ye

[sharp meteor]

They penalize people who spam under the flag of a community/organization

[wheat jay]

Communities as an entity are banned

So is adverising for others

You can however advertise your own group

Be it raid, m+, or pvp

[raw summit]

or you go to a "marketplace" and "book" a "run"

from "them"

[undone pumice]

or you spam tradechat with

practiced group selling mythic [The Jailer] and [Keystone Hero: Shadowlands Season 3] for 180k per run

[sharp meteor]

group of friends 🙂

[undone pumice]

grouo of 24 friends

[sharp meteor]

i like how some guy livestreamed himself being selfplayed for real money last season and the only thing that happened was that the thread calling him out got nuked

[undone pumice]

[elder wigeon]

i saw that guy selfplaying again in another cord

[sharp meteor]

did he leave the warrior one

i wonder how many people those two priests dragged to glad

they had legit like 20k games played

[elder wigeon]

oh i guess we're talking about another selfplay lol

he's a dh

[sharp meteor]

did u see that december guy back in s1 that had his glad stripped from him also a dh

[elder wigeon]

kekw

[near delta]

I hate this fucking game

They definitely outplayed us tho shouldnt have let em press chaos bolt

[sharp meteor]

ya double destro hate to see it

least u have a dk

[mystic barn]

destroyed

i'll have you know i traded my own life to win our last destro destro hpal game

[sharp meteor]

i said "maybe i can move to the other pillar" and that cost us a trinket ray and my wall

still won but crikey

[elder wigeon]

kekw

[mystic barn]

did you get to the other wall

[sand shadow]

the bugged one, greenskins

[sharp meteor]

yeah it was ashamane and teammates got rifted so i was in a sketch spot

[mystic barn]

lol

[sharp meteor]

mowed the lock down 20 seconds later

[nimble jasper]

oh

[sharp meteor]

still torn on lock vs frost mage

[nimble jasper]

havent seen that one besides the french rogues who are on some weird shit

triimaz plays venthyr dreadblades with greenskins

[mystic barn]

locks can still port with rift right? i think one of my favorite moments was amsing rift chunking the lock and he ports after rift right into 2 teamates he rifted

[nimble jasper]

and highest outlaw in 2s

[mystic barn]

also can we talk about ludicrously easy it is to kill the hpriest in rmp compared to other hpriest comps

why are they the super bad ones

[raw summit]

carried by other 2

idk

[undone pumice]

just kill mage

[nimble jasper]

hpriest in MLX is easier

[raw summit]

"just"

[nimble jasper]

assuming you can reach him

[undone pumice]

it did work in our grand 2 rmp games

[nimble jasper]

also how I feel anytime I queued 2s

into rdruid+meta dps

usually destro/hunter

and male tauren just standing at pillar max range

[raw summit]

at skillfoor for rmp

[mystic barn]

rmp gaming

[undone pumice]

they were below

[nimble jasper]

yah idk what it is about low rated rmps

so many shit the bed

and proceed to do nothing

[undone pumice]

rmp players think theyre playing 7d chess cuz their comp has a skill floor but the lowest fucking skill ceiling

[raw summit]

there is decently high skill ceiling

but u dont need to reach to win games

[undone pumice]

u just win cause of sheer math

20 defensives > 10 defensives

[nimble jasper]

average 1800-2k rmp mage when the enemy team isnt full cc'ed, totems killed for him, given full white glove service

"i cant sheep"

[undone pumice]

how do u function as a mage if ur not spoon fed everything

[sharp meteor]

okay so meme worgen racial stacks with conq for almost mount speed with banner up

[raw summit]

zug zug

[undone pumice]

worgen bis

[near delta]

Man that's actually pretty dece as far as non-orc racials go

[raw summit]

well

[sharp meteor]

40% more speed for 10s while you can't be slowed and it's on the same CD

[raw summit]

looks so bad u actively abandon the char

[sharp meteor]

I'd sooner play dwarf but I will maybe try this when cross faction opens up

[raw summit]

from my experience

[elder wigeon]

man it'd be so sick if we could play other races

[sharp meteor]

right?

[elder wigeon]

just from an aesthetic pov

[sharp meteor]

orc everything forever is just

like i love orc but it has been so many years

[raw summit]

im not through with orc tmog yet

but im p sure itll have an end

[elder wigeon]

9.2.5 will cement everyone being orc and if nothing changes in 10.0, it's just orc, that's it LOL

[sharp meteor]

YEP

orc nelf orc nelf

zugzuguzugz

[elder wigeon]

orc druid pogger

[raw summit]

ew tbh

[undone pumice]

human is ok

nelf is

bis for rogue

[raw summit]

fantasy game

18 years of lore

breaking the sky

afterlives

KILL GOD

male human warrior with longsword

[near delta]

I just wanna be a chad zandalari

[wet scarab]

I don’t understand how anyone plays human warrior all the armour looks like it’s curved around their pot bellies

[near delta]

All my toon names are even a zandalari reference but I started going orc when I started pvping

[wet scarab]

Humans should only wear dresses and be clothies

[near delta]

That'll actually be hilarious ngl

I'm hoping for a racial rework in 10.0, but it probably won't happen

[elder wigeon]

seriously, something needs to change

[near delta]

Imagine if they rework it and it's dumb

[undone pumice]

tbh i wanna be human or orc

[near delta]

Vulpera becomes BiS

[raw summit]

Id probably stay orc but cmon

[undone pumice]

highest bone density races

[raw summit]

Hardi kinda ass for Balance

[undone pumice]

id prob go human for ultimate default knight.jpeg

[near delta]

Anything that fucks over RMP is a good thing imo

[raw summit]

Well deleting hardi also implies gutting rmp

Cuz neither is gna happen

[undone pumice]

delete hardi

delete emfh

delete escape artist

delete shadowmeld

[raw summit]

Delete polymorph

[sharp meteor]

ya shame troll racials kind of meme although idk movement kind of neat

[undone pumice]

its not rlly good

cuz its just duration reduce

not slow reduce so

cringe

[wet scarab]

Delete will of the forsaken

[undone pumice]

true

i think gnome is unrionically stronger than human atm

with the RAMPANT frost mages

[lean burrow]

guys, we take 4p tierset right? not 2 pieces?

[elder wigeon]

4 set is mandatory

[lean burrow]

cuz i already converted

ok, thanks

[elder wigeon]

gnome isn't really that sick tbh 1 root per 1 min is kinda mediocre

[lean burrow]

just saw 2k warr with 2 pieces, thought i made a mistake

[elder wigeon]

if there was less roots it would be stronger

[lean burrow]

is there any difference if i'm arms?

[elder wigeon]

considering you don't have raging blow, yeah

[lean burrow]

i mean in terms of 2p/4p

[undone pumice]

4p

[lean burrow]

thanks

[undone pumice]

every class and spec

[lean burrow]

there's not a single spec that has shit 4p bonus?

[elder wigeon]

there's a few where 4 set isn't that sick for pvp specifically

[undone pumice]

well yes

but

its still better than not having it

yk

[elder wigeon]

not true

[undone pumice]

vers is shit

[lucid walrus]

mw’s is ass

[elder wigeon]

not when you're an aff lock

[lean burrow]

what about them

[undone pumice]

i dont play wizards

i dont consider them classes

i consider them dogs

should be put down immediately

[elder wigeon]

4 set is unplayable in pvp, better to get the versatility from pvp gear and run 2 set

your opinion doesn't matter when it comes to truth

[undone pumice]

nobody plays aff tho

[sharp meteor]

Vers is, at last check, one of the worst dmg stats for Aff

[near delta]

I would love if there were no affs

[undone pumice]

ive seen one(1) (I) (number 1) AFF lock

only destros

[near delta]

It's about 70/30 destros to affs I've seen

[elder wigeon]

nobody runs 4 set though as aff so do the math

versatility was by far the worst dps stat for warrior even factoring in the bonus

[sharp meteor]

oh yeah and the 4pc is unplayable right now but might be cool in the patch

[elder wigeon]

stat weights on patchwerk doesn't factor in self healing and damage reduction

[undone pumice]

p sure vers suck for every1 past 30

[sharp meteor]

vers always good it's just like

u might consider crit and/or mastery for some stuff

instead of pure haste/vers for every spec

yaknow

[undone pumice]

hhh

no

[sharp meteor]

it's like how crit was blasphemy for arms for some reason then at some point people tried it a bit and it's like hey wait maybe it's k now

[undone pumice]

i am big haste fan

[elder wigeon]

lol I have 25% crit on my arms warrior

30% when I play with a feral

[undone pumice]

i have 14 on my fury

[elder wigeon]

yuck

[undone pumice]

2 hander is hardlocked crit on one

tier legs is crit

boots got rngd to crit

gloves too

[elder wigeon]

i use tier gloves

[undone pumice]

same

they crit im p sure

[elder wigeon]

I need to replace my neck with mastery, otherwise BIS

[undone pumice]

mine have avoidance so

im never replacing

xd

[elder wigeon]

avoidance doesn't work in pvp

[undone pumice]

i know

its funny

af

tho

[thick reef]

nice axes

sick

[elder wigeon]

thx thx

[thick reef]

how much

\for em

[elder wigeon]

1.3m

[thick reef]

how did u make ur gold just acrrys

carrys

[elder wigeon]

I don't carry

[thick reef]

ah

did u sell stuff

[elder wigeon]

farmed gold

[undone pumice]

farmed arcanite bars for sure

[thick reef]

ah i see thats cool

wait do u need arc bars for arc ripper dont u just buy it with gold

i have like 100 arc bars tho

[undone pumice]

no

u need em for thunderfury

[elder wigeon]

you can't make it, you can only obtain from black market auction house

[undone pumice]

cuz its an ingredient for enchanted elementium bars

10 + bindings + rag core = thunderfury

[spice hornet]

For fury, stack as much haste as possible or stop at a point and starting going for mastery? 🤔

[thick reef]

yeh i remeebmer thx bro was jsut wondring thought maybe they changed arc bar

[elder wigeon]

Idk, I'm trying a lot of mastery

[undone pumice]

30% haste and versa then go for mastery i think

[spice hornet]

Yeah I was thinking of dropping some haste and going for mastery pieces to wrap up the ssn

[elder wigeon]

the more mastery you have, the better haste becomes, vice versa

[spice hornet]

Since we get haste from ramp abs frenzy

[elder wigeon]

almost 50% damage increase during enrage from banner lol

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, having more juice behind your swipes feels nice.

The only potential concern is maybe something like a good jungle alternating soothes, maybe? But really the game is too fast for people to be burning globals on enrages.

[near delta]

I think it just gives enduring rage less value

[indigo barn]

Using a GCD to do less damage when huntard brain

[elder wigeon]

if they take their hammer of a hand off cobra shot that's a miscalculation

[indigo barn]

Landing that petstun for a trap requires massive brain

[elder wigeon]

just use foot pedals

[indigo barn]

Was kinda cool watching good hunters disengage over someone to land spicy traps

[sharp meteor]

disengage into trap kind of hard to avoid i think especially on surv as everybody waits for the harpoon

maybe it's like a server ping thing where the hunter looks like he just started the disengage but sike you're trapped

[indigo barn]

I see hunters using D/E to get close but they always intim into the stun unless there partner actually uses something like roots

Never a 1080 noscope

[mystic barn]

hunters unable to trap without setup first is peak gameplay

[indigo barn]

MM hunters panicking at the thought of needing to land a trap after failing the oneshot

[spice hornet]

vesper ele is so very scary

[sharp meteor]

It'll be stormkeeper, then they fling vesper 30 yards away (in their los, but out of yours if possible) then skyfury into zap

have usually been able to 1-bang the totem with ele blast as turb

from time to time we can spam melee ability and insta-kill it as he relocates

[spice hornet]

yeah i wish i had a turbo man for that

[sharp meteor]

ele in a vacuum isn't that big a deal it's the windwalker, 1-shot rogue, maldiva, etc

[lucid walrus]

annoying they can move it around whenever but at least it's on global

[elder wigeon]

yeah but the bait is running over to it to kill it lmao

[sharp meteor]

so if/when the stormkeeper gets off he has a 15 second window to drop and throw it

whenever he positions to throw it ill usually bolt him as it goes out and sham kills it

obviously easy in a vacuum but for the most part

it comes down to who his partner is

[elder wigeon]

if they throw it down, cc them and try to kill it insta

[sharp meteor]

ye

he won't throw until AFTER getting a stormkeeper

[elder wigeon]

it's annoying you have to play around something like that

[sharp meteor]

and then skyfury

it is but only like 5 people play it

and they fucking fix prot tier the fucks

[elder wigeon]

the consequence is 100-0 no matter what because you didn't play it perfectly, play it perfectly and it's 100% useless and terrible

zzzz

[sharp meteor]

still stressful and stupid

just another gimmick for the pile

[elder wigeon]

it's like ww monk 1 shot

[sharp meteor]

or 1-dance rogues

[elder wigeon]

yeah that too

[sharp meteor]

queued into sub/sub/hpal

kms

[elder wigeon]

L O L

[sharp meteor]

idc if we win but like fuck off with that man

[elder wigeon]

there was a team last season I remember, sub ww hpal

[spice hornet]

trinket one thing bad

[sharp meteor]

yeah last season that was more common

[spice hornet]

and its over

[sharp meteor]

they'll like pre-cloak/vasion/summers/bop the duel

the rat fucks

[spice hornet]

real cringe

[elder wigeon]

LOL

[sharp meteor]

[spice hornet]

good expac to be a sub rogue

thats all ill say

[sharp meteor]

bro all three specs are insane

AAAAAA

outlaw is like level 70

[mystic barn]

remember when bliz tried to buff vesper conduit

[mystic barn]

uhh

had a game where it was dh sub hpal

dh died after trying to triple resonator my lock

I did a /laugh

Rogue dueled and one danced my lock and lock walled at 100%

died

still won thank god that would have been embarrassing

basically whoever has the audacity to trinket in a game is the one who gets murdered without counterplay

[sharp meteor]

yep

can sometimes pre it

or like

chain harvest goes downstairs

so can heal guy who gets dueled

[mystic barn]

remember when hunters mark let hunter see people in rogue duel

[sharp meteor]

druid can incap roar it

[mystic barn]

yes that is plausible, there is some counterplay but it’s hard to react in time to an insta kill

too bad I amzd the triple resonator

[sharp meteor]

how much does mmr go up when u don't queue

haven't played main in almost a month and kind of sketched

[sharp meteor]

ya it's kind of like figuring out who can use opener

first trinket is who can live the duel

[spice hornet]

dont q main its destros everywhere

[mystic barn]

i rarely emote on people

bc when i do it makes me end up 2v2ing someone for 10 minutes

[warped warren]

play rele

[sharp meteor]

ya that's why we haven't played lmao

i wanted to wait for destro hotfix

which isnt here xddd

[warped warren]

just wait a month or 2

[mystic barn]

destro is here to stay

[sharp meteor]

pls no my mmr will be in shambles

as will my healers mental

[mystic barn]

normalize being in a poly healer relationship

[sharp meteor]

i don't think any of my healers have even met each other now that i think about it

[elder wigeon]

i don't mind the damage that comes from mages or locks, honestly it's the micro-cc that's beyond infuriating

it's so hard to not tilt in the middle of the game and play worse as a result

[mystic barn]

you do mind the damage that comes from mage and locks

[elder wigeon]

it's manageable

they can't handle a ripper lopping their head off for a 55k

the problem is actually touching them

later in the season when I actually can get more ques I'll make a crittage

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, it certainly can be.

The micro roots from the mages rng stuff can spell doom during cds

just get dr rooted even for a fraction of a second

[elder wigeon]

micro rng roots with the micro stuns, coils, fears etc from the lock

[sharp meteor]

dr'd chastise shadowfury and the stacked bolt goes off

quarter fear, get bolted into instant bolt

arms without enh into wizards is like HAHAAAAA

imma just chill at pillar between cds yo yo

[nimble jasper]

@sharp meteor blunderbuss lego big funny

hearing like 4-5 gunshots

[sharp meteor]

queued into outlaw rogue in shuffle that did like 12k dps each game while being untouchable hate it here aaaa

[nimble jasper]

shadowdust prob still better in 3s

but seems idk, greenskins/blunder in 2s

[spice hornet]

their blade furry cleave is nasty

[nimble jasper]

its actually pretty fun to play ngl

tho kinda gross literally running down dhs

[sharp meteor]

run down everybody

[nimble jasper]

killed 2 dhs

through dark

cuz blunder shot 4 pistol shots at once

[sharp meteor]

get domed idiot

[nimble jasper]

queueing into hunters just

feels so good

absolutely rolling them

altho i’ve heard a few people say surv vs outlaw 2s matchup is supposed to be about even

[steep inlet]

But

I tried bluder

The shots are little no ?

Without greenskin

Like 4x1000

[spice hornet]

sub rogue is retardedly broken i have no idea how its dodged nerfs

[nimble jasper]

its smaller yes

but the problem with greenskins imo

is your 2p can just munch the buff

w/o a gunslinger proc

[sharp meteor]

because low-mid mmr rogues don't have hands

[steep inlet]

no it was fixed mich

If you speak about the bug

[mystic barn]

don’t need hands if you are a cast sequence class

[nimble jasper]

pretty sure the bug in regards to 2p eating greenskins is still ingame

[mystic barn]

I vaguely remembered reading notes that it got fixed

Could be wrong

[nimble jasper]

the kyrian bug where you just lose your bluepoints hasnt been fixed

with 4p

[nimble jasper]

yah low mmr rogues still played subterfuge mfd last season

when nightstalker deeper was big dam

[steep inlet]

dunno trimaz told me it was fixed

[nimble jasper]

why does he play venthyr anyway

XD

i just assume the tc guy knows his stuff better

[warped warren]

imagine losing to sub rogue

the trick is to not press trinket

[nimble jasper]

i swear anytime you see

sub hpal

its gonna be some degen cheese

rofl

[warped warren]

ye

[sharp meteor]

yeah every time

[warped warren]

i refuse to trinket vs that

[sharp meteor]

bop summer duel 1-bang anybody who trinkets

[warped warren]

id rather doe

die

[sharp meteor]

wow look at this IDIOT who trinketed BUST rofl die in a duel

[warped warren]

than trinket a go that isnt duel

[nimble jasper]

playing "normal" you play with an hpriest

[warped warren]

this

[nimble jasper]

or you're inting

rofl

you can kill someone with just kyrian ability in 7 sec kidney and its way less cheesy

[simple rock]

do I queue up tonight knowing i'll q into mlx every other game? 🤔

[warped warren]

trinket double resonator? CRINGE, NOW DIE IN 20S

[warped warren]

absolutely

[nimble jasper]

then theres the eu rogs

who play venthyr crit lego

w/o duel

[simple rock]

i will send it

[warped warren]

[warped warren]

keep us posted

[steep inlet]

@nimble jasper u took what first row talent with BB

[nimble jasper]

gunslinger altho raz been playing ghostly

[steep inlet]

yeah I hesitate

Ghostly proc more but gunslinger bigger shots

[spice hornet]

i was qing 2600-2700 mmr earlier and only saw 1 mlx than kgod

[nimble jasper]

yeah blunder more about overall damage than individual big hits

[steep inlet]

y

[nimble jasper]

2s prolly diff

all the 3s guys playing shadowdust kyrian

as soon as i play that char every hunter team stops qing tho

[steep inlet]

i hate shadowdust Kyrian

[nimble jasper]

i mean its prob fine in 3s cuz teammate damage

but 2s it feels so shit

[steep inlet]

y

[simple rock]

my healer logged off for the night after 1 mlx loss

[mystic barn]

was it the first game

[simple rock]

no

got some turbo 1st game

2400mmr