It's super hard just pressing your cc button on a target on dr
#pvp
near delta
near delta
While being impossible to kill
sharp meteor
i do nOT PRESS RECK
lol no u reck then hit into it
because reck lasts like 30 seconds alongside conq in opener
issue is getting cc'd
sharp meteor
ya like i said cc is issue
undone pumice
all in 1 reck
undone pumice
idk i ususally wait for them to monkaS disarm my proc reck
then conq banner orc
bonk bonk bonk
sharp meteor
my haeler usually hpriest now so we just double stun melee in opener and get instant go
undone pumice
my healer is usually a DH with bandage gun or smth
sharp meteor
and they can't disarm/cc while you storming for like 6 seconds with all cds up and doing 20k dps
undone pumice
and they can't disarm/cc while you storming for like 6 seconds with all cds up a...
u mean survival
fury and surv both so cancer lowkey
sustained 20k
sharp meteor
surv fine outside tier bonus in 3s
undone pumice
no fuck them
sharp meteor
actually razor frags also crazy dam hm
past jolt
do good sv hunters take off ur enrage on cd
ive never seen one do it
seems plenty effective
near delta
my healer is usually a DH with bandage gun or smth
You should really just wait for a healer dude. Love yourself
near delta
Lmao whatever works ig
sharp meteor
do good sv hunters take off ur enrage on cd
enrage up too often
undone pumice
1gcd of fuck u
sharp meteor
feral and hunter can maybe but then they losing dmg as well
past jolt
ya but like enrage for us is kinda key for the dam reduction
it's very worth as the healer
sharp meteor
we'll see how it pans out but i don't think it's that big an issue
near delta
Since we can just put it right back on over and over again
sharp meteor
unless they're super clean with it
past jolt
but looks like it costs some mana
sharp meteor
because u just get it back up a global or two later
and they're burning their globals playing defensive
while you're still hammering away
near delta
Tranq right before a stun to remove warpaint is actually big brain
past jolt
at least wit purge you havea. really big chance to miss the. key effect
well if it aint been a problem yet, it's probably damn near fine
frank knoll
do good sv hunters take off ur enrage on cd
Yeah
sharp meteor
Tranq right before a stun to remove warpaint is actually big brain
enrage short duration, tranq global, etc, generally inefficient to really think about it unless target already clean
frank knoll
I tranq on cd
sharp meteor
hunter and druid can't be worrying baout tranqing off your 3 second enrage when you and your pet shaman are cranking 15k dps into one of them with a 40% ms to boot
past jolt
enrage short duration, tranq global, etc, generally inefficient to really think ...
u only have 1 enrage effect no?
sharp meteor
actually ya but gotta be at decent time
might see it pop up more but i think it's fine
if good feral and hunter cycle dispels might be annoying
but not many good jungles
sharp meteor
like if they're properly alternating it could be sketchy
although if not stacking any mastery it's less an issue so eh
near delta
I think just right before a go to remove the perma wall is probably really good
sharp meteor
i do 100% see some teams inting their globals trying to rip it off during cds tho
frank knoll
It cucks their damage and makes then squishier
near delta
Yeah not many globals to spare as surv
But can probably fit it in
10% more damage on demand is good
frank knoll
If we aren’t in a position to kite then I’ll tranq to buy time
near delta
Btw, I know it's not at all optimal but what's probably the best healer for frost TSG rn?
past jolt
I feel like I haven’t seen any Ret frost dks in shadowlands that used to be a good melee comp
They both pretty decent
But I guess not enough synergy
The spear too strong to be gone
sharp meteor
ms sharpen kind of dece
past jolt
Ya they have no ms at all but that they still ran it without in the past
undone pumice
dk has ms no?
past jolt
I think it was good when frost had winter is coming as a PvP talent
undone pumice
so play uh ret?
past jolt
The stun version
sharp meteor
like you dont' need ms but healers like hpriest legit insta top people without it
past jolt
Uh Ret doesn’t sound like enough dmg
Also resto shaman feels like the logical choice forRet dk and they’ve fallen out of meta
Feels bad it’s a lil degenerate but good times comp
sharp meteor
thinkin bout craftin leaper
undone pumice
why
sharp meteor
jump around and stuff
undone pumice
barbarian
sharp meteor
restrictive
ripe inlet
fury or arms in RBG's? Or are they close enough to not be a big difference?
sand shadow
Leaper is pretty meh too, tho
Essentially you're playing a leggo that gives you 2 extra leaps in the start
if you're actually getting kited, once the 2 extra leaps are spent, you probably won't be sitting on your next leap for 35-45s
and will use it shortly after it's available again
sand shadow
wouldn't DT/BR make more sense/be just as good if not better w/o a leggo sacrifice?
sharp meteor
need impending sometimes
sand shadow
idk, on one of my warriors, I messed around w/ Leaper quite early on, in S1 SL
I believe I still have it, max ilvl for the time, 235, too
and it just felt like it's a bait
undone pumice
restrictive
leaper + barbarian
sand shadow
but that's just how I felt ofc
sharp meteor
oh the issue before was that it didn't really enable you to do anything big like
sand shadow
yeah but Barb is only like 3s or some shit
sharp meteor
with conq/reck you're smashing their head in and can't be peeled
sand shadow
how often do you need to Leap into Leap
sharp meteor
or rather can't be kited
sand shadow
no harm done to try it
I found it poopy
Never had a game where it amounted to more than simply 2 extra leaps per arena game
sand shadow
I guess if those extra 2 leaps are made TRULY essential, it makes sense
sharp meteor
Never had a game where it amounted to more than simply 2 extra leaps per arena g...
it'd be letting them recharge between conqs
as obviously it's just extra charges not reduced cd or whatever
sand shadow
and if you get kited during conqs?
sharp meteor
just lets you bank them for multiple uses back to back
sand shadow
you'll just take the abuse and not press? 😄
thats some bible level temptation there man
😄
sharp meteor
ehh
most games vs jungle if we stuck opening conq/reck they'd be so far behind that they'd just die a minute later
sand shadow
I know Blizo played it @ AWC vs MLX, but it didn't look like it did much good, you can watch the VoDs if you want
sharp meteor
hm not sure about that. possibly, i feel like uptime on lock generally fine/good
it might've been kind of a versatile pick though as
it'd be more uptime or
flexibility to run
bounce behind a pillar a mile away
sand shadow
I believe the latter
sharp meteor
uptime into that felt fine at least to me
my sham in shambles with the roots but I'm having fun smacking the lock
sand shadow
offensively, leaper into MLX makes little sense to me
but then again, I refuse to go lock vs that
if you guys go lock, mb it makes more sense into MLX
mages so much more choppable
sharp meteor
ya most of the teams we've queued into had the mage be the better player and had easier time sticking dam into warlock
def not set in stone or anything though
and had more than a few games where we'd just turn and clobber healer
sand shadow
idk, lock is port + gate + soulshape + sub 55s grip
not to mention far tankier than frost even if caught
the port alone is what makes lock so tanky since it removes the slows and gives him insane speed
so he can actually defend vs even leaps behind pillars
sharp meteor
yes if they're good about that it can be tricky, depending on map and wahtever
sand shadow
not once or twice did I leap a lock's port for him to split-second LoS behind a pillar corner
w/o me being able to charge/crush charge/slow/stun etc
and the sprint lasts for a while too
and just so much tankier overall compared to frostmage anyway
sharp meteor
mage also has the thing where they die if locked which is nice
sand shadow
they can be pretty annoying too, that's for sure
esp w/ the stun blinks
whilst rocking echoing
annoying AF
sharp meteor
i am trying to remember why we started going lock
sand shadow
but I never not play IV into MLX so not the biggest issue i guess
sharp meteor
rando halls one and roll
sand shadow
no
undone pumice
cock twister?
spice hornet
i am trying to remember why we started going lock
We go lock now as well and it’s better results
undone pumice
he doesnt sell the one i want
sharp meteor
yeah just bolt and send dam off cd and usually just punch through pact is what we've done
def need to play into it more tho
spice hornet
Idk mage just blinks and slows you and outside of dearhborne the dmg isn’t tooooo scary, abs then he has two blocks
sand shadow
then its RNG rolling 'boxes' in Korthia I believe?
sand shadow
@spice hornet obv there are risks associated, for sure
but a good MLP won't let you do much into the lock is what I've found
too much mobility and denial, and even when all of that shit is on CD, lock himself can take quite a beating compared to fmage
I can legit solo fmages during my pop if my team just CCs healer/lock
locks just shield at 99% hp and get a trillion hp worth of a shield
esp when w/ a priest for stam
and that's a 1min defensive
sharp meteor
I've also had reasonable luck just playing demo then bolting the resolve and knocking the pact mostly off, at least as arms. Haven't tried it as fury.
sand shadow
I guess if you play Kyrian lock might be decent
but then so is frostmage unless he consistently blinks the spear idk
sharp meteor
Spearing mage felt bad when they'd either 1) gate, 2) flesh shimmer, 3) just bug it entirely
sand shadow
I kill frost mages into MLX. I believe they're a better target. Personal opinion 🙂
sharp meteor
then there's having to cross the priest so he can't grip the mage
which leaves the possibility of him trinketing to grip
sand shadow
grips fail on spear?
sharp meteor
I kill frost mages into MLX. I believe they're a better target. Personal opinion...
Yeah, yeah, I'm still open to trying stuff.
sharp meteor
grips fail on spear?
Hm?
sand shadow
been a while since I played Kyrian more than a few games, weren't priest grips negated by spear?
or did it break the spear?
sharp meteor
They grip when the spear is midair.
sand shadow
momentarily confusion
ripe inlet
Does Battle Trance(Crushing Blow) still not work with Reckless Abandon?
ripe inlet
sadge ty
sharp meteor
A lot of them aren't good about it though sot hey''ll fling grip into spear
sharp meteor
Does Battle Trance(Crushing Blow) still not work with Reckless Abandon?
Yep, at least last i checked.
sand shadow
idk, I kinda stopped playing trance myself
sharp meteor
But if you don't cross priest it'll be grip on spear either just after you bolt or after the spear is already midair which is awfullllll
sand shadow
my uptime was never good enough to justify in my mind
sharp meteor
then there's blink which can also throw a wrench into spearing
sand shadow
if they fix the bug, then that'd be a different convo ofc
sharp meteor
it's a decent big of rage and healing
sand shadow
yeah i mean sure, but how many games are you CONFIDENT it helped you win?
as in, make the difference between life and death
and the extra rage it generated at just that moment counted for much?
sharp meteor
Not as many games as I've won off 25k warbringers
sharp meteor
pow
sand shadow
well, not them critting
sharp meteor
crushing blow into charge during cds and somebody gets dinged from 45k
sand shadow
which, accidentally, is why I disagree w/ people saying crit is bad as Fury in this discord
crit as Fury can be monstrous
sharp meteor
yes when games are as fast as they are
and your modifiers are jacked
i could see it having potential
i just like being able to fall back on the reliable throughput
sand shadow
well mastery is not exactly reliable either
sharp meteor
shuffling some stats around, trying mastery and it's nice although haven't queued into more than a few good jungles but they weren't uhh
purging properly thankfully
curious to see if they get better baout that
not looking forward to having a hunter and feral cycling enrage removals well
sand shadow
idk how it is for survival, I believe their GCDs are stacked as well
but as BM it felt bad having to constantly Tranq
sharp meteor
ya focus capped
sand shadow
how I felt at least
sharp meteor
perma
sand shadow
each GCD on stuff like that is 1 less GCD on pure dam
sand shadow
and pure dam is good stuff 
near delta
Charge weaving like a pve boy with warbringer is so fun
elder wigeon
All fun and games until they move
vague crater
guys what addon show cc of party like that? 🤔
steep inlet
Big debuff
vague crater
i tought i could set it just with potraits, ill see settings and try thanks!
modern birch
I was watching muds stream the other day, he said he bladestorms after 4 pc proc because of the reckless abandon bug but I still don't really get it, wouldn't it be a dps loss? Somebody explain it to me like I'm an idiot?
elder wigeon
if your proc reck with the bladestorm, it doesn't proc a version of reck with reckless abandon, it's a bug
if you have a reckless abandon proc (from 4 set) you can proc the reck from bladestorm and extend that proc
modern birch
Ahhhh I think I get it, thanks Resune!!
near delta
if your proc reck with the bladestorm, it doesn't proc a version of reck with re...
:o I noticed that but didn't put it together
elder wigeon
you can get trolled with it too, you can proc reck from bladestorm, and then 4 set proc and extend that incorrect bugged version
same with sinful surge condemn extend
near delta
you can get trolled with it too, you can proc reck from bladestorm, and then 4 s...
Indie company
elder wigeon
warrior is just the buggiest piece of shit known to man
near delta
Thought that was windwalker
elder wigeon
bugged in a way that hurts the performance of the class significantly
not in a way that makes it 1 shot people 100-0 in .1 seconds
undone pumice
or when u get shot through boxes on dalaran
fav part of the day
fighting some korean hunteror warlock with 700 ping shooting me through boxes
or people outplaying me ans cancelling my ds/ra charges by jumping
what can u expect from indie company
near delta
bugged in a way that hurts the performance of the class significantly
It's done that too. Lol sometimes the bugs just help em.
elder wigeon
i love intervene dc
sharp meteor
hmm haven't dc'd from vene yet i dont think
and only once from leap but i think it was because a vortex yoinked me into a wall
elder wigeon
it's happened to me a few times this expac
wet scarab
I only get dc’ed during MC
The most tilting ability by the most tilting class resulting in the most tilting way to lose a game
Lol that blood Dk who did 132k death strike and endured so many chaos bolts is hilarious to me because he ended up dying to a conflagrate
The shittiest warlock instant cast
thick reef
guys
i notice some classes i play against in arena as fury i cant stack slaughterhouse on them
like paladins
why is that?
elder wigeon
what class are you playing with
thick reef
priest and survival hunter
elder wigeon
tell your survival hunter to not play MS pet
elder wigeon
slaughterhouse bugs out on targets that have mortal wounds on them
if your hunter's pet applies mortal wounds (25% ms) before you have slaughterhouse on them, slaughterhouse as a spell is too weak to "override" it
elder wigeon
because it takes 5 stacks to override it, and you cannot get 5 stacks in a single rampage, so it'll never be applied
I had the same problem
just have them play a pet that doesn't have a mortal wounds effect
thick reef
yea thats fiar
fair
thanks for the tip
i have another question
i notice sometimes when rogue saps me i cant use berserker rage to get out of it
but sometimes i can
why is that
elder wigeon
there's another cc overlapping it, otherwise there's no reason you can't
thick reef
oo ok
steel rune
Me disgusted by all the fury re rollers so I start telling rogues, hunters and Druids that they can dispel your enrage from rampage
elder wigeon
yeah you can get every other enrage
rogues are never gonna shiv it off just to shiv it off unless it's sub, generally it's more valuable as a kiting tool
thick reef
warrior is just the buggiest piece of shit known to man
yea warr is just weird with the stuff that can happen to it i remebmer the disarm bug to warbreaker that they fixed as well
and a bunch of other bugs like intervene with sap n stuff
steel rune
yeah you can get every other enrage
Outlaw and sub can shiv it off with no loss, and why wouldn’t it be worth it you lose your damage reduction, and damage
thick reef
is it worth to do it bc cant ujust apply it again a few sec later with another rampage?
elder wigeon
because it applies a concentrated slow
25 second cd, kind of expensive to shiv one enrage off just for that
nimble jasper
Me disgusted by all the fury re rollers so I start telling rogues, hunters and D...
literally useless advice
besides saving 1-2 secs of being able to fear after his zerker rage
wet scarab
enrage is like 90% uptime with the 4pc so pointless to keep wasting globals on it
even longer with enduring rage
spice hornet
Everyday I wonder why rogue was given dismantle when it already has evasion
sharp meteor
enrage is like 90% uptime with the 4pc so pointless to keep wasting globals on i...
Might be worth if you can nip it right after rampage.
warped warren
why wouldnt you shiv/soothe on your go? its free damage 😂
granted you kill the warrior
fickle forge
I got his enrage with Shiv guys, now we can do a go where my Sepsis does half the dmg 😎 👍
undone pumice
runic burrow
hey guys.. arms or fury ?
undone pumice
fury
raw summit
Depends on Mode and comp
undone pumice
fury is the answer
runic burrow
ok tnx
raw summit
runic burrow
kyrian on fury right?
raw summit
Necro
raw summit
Cape for deathmaker unity where ever and Signet Ring
raw summit
Either works
warped warren
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/745283162225246327/972583491017510972/u...
18 is more than 0 atleast
warped warren
I got his enrage with Shiv guys, now we can do a go where my Sepsis does half th...
65k sepsis goes
fickle forge
18 is more than 0 atleast <:okayge:917646812519739433>
Nothing better than killing hunter pet twice, but it still doesn't matter cause he yeets 25k KS into 30k bomb 😎 👍
fickle forge
How else will they Vendetta+Sepsis you every 1 min?
warped warren
can do 3 envenoms while your shit does 15% more dam
half the rogues play the crit leggo tho
🤔
or
frank knoll
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/745283162225246327/972583491017510972/u...
I had a bad time on mine last night. Still logged off at a higher rating than what I logged in on, but I got “shadowlands’d” a few times
worthy fern
@warped warren some for
Do
Adalgab is an Na rogue that runs It and does boosts
Plays master assa talent instead of leggo
rustic geyser
best fury necro soulbind ?????
raw summit
Marileth
rustic geyser
doesnt seem like it
fickle forge
doesnt seem like it
It is though
warped warren
It is though
is it tho????
fickle forge
is it tho????
Tho is it????
undone pumice
marileth or heirmir both pretty cool
wheat jay
Nothing better than killing hunter pet twice, but it still doesn't matter cause ...
Bruh 
fickle forge
Bruh <:peepostudy:617259554530656262>
Stop.
undone pumice
Bruh
fickle forge
You stop with your lies
It's not, can you stop crusading against anyone mentioning hunters while you're unsubbed? 
undone pumice
playing hunter should be a crime
wheat jay
It's not, can you stop crusading against anyone mentioning hunters while you're ...
I'll stop when you stop spitting bullshit
undone pumice
Bruh
wheat jay
With 30k bombs
Seeing how it has NEVER hit anything so hard lmao
Unless you count boars in front of orgri
fickle forge
I'm gonna swipe left on you now Artji
wheat jay
I already did on you when season started
wheat jay
Don't remember 
undone pumice
u got drugged
fickle forge
Took the drake and then left town
wheat jay
I'll come back when im ready to settle down (10.0)
ember totem
Hows fury in pvp atm? Fun?
fix
sharp meteor
Hows fury in pvp atm? Fun?
Good and fun. You just spam 8k dps into one guy all game.
warped warren
dogshit and boring
sharp meteor
It's certainly better than Arms.
dry trail
at what matchups u play impending victory and bouncing stride ?
sharp meteor
i play bounding into games where i won't press dstance which feels like most games but usally having the option to 10% wall is better than a slightly shorter leap as i usaully die if i run anyways as it's too easy to kite partners uhh
impending is kind of the "i need to live" and "do my teammates have stuns" picks
turbo for instance u probs want bolt usually
raw summit
Great psyduck
sharp meteor
sad rainy duck
ember totem
@warped warren and I dont care about a clowns opinion. Sorry🤷
dry trail
psyduck ftw
sharp meteor
then u have tsg or fury/havoc where ur partner stuns right
and u need impending for hp
raw summit
sad rainy duck
He looks schleepy and chilled
sharp meteor
so yeah matchup and comp thing
raw summit
War + dk or pala or enhance
sharp meteor
hunter mage ?
you can honestly play with most stuff
undone pumice
spriest?
sharp meteor
ww, ele, warlock, mage, outlaw, bm, mm, sp
wheat jay
<@278157108791476224> you set the scenery for the artji villain arc. its all on ...
This is just the beginning
undone pumice
ele is just worse than enha tho
wheat jay
Pray that envoker isn't absolutely fucking busted
undone pumice
thundercleave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< turbocleave
sharp meteor
ele is okay-fine although yeah turb is better
fickle forge
<@219895166054432769> and I dont care about a clowns opinion. Sorry🤷
Why did you feel the need to reply to his opinion then? 
undone pumice
Bruh
ember totem
Cus I can 🤷
raw summit
Then try caring less and ignore the "clown"
ember totem
im sorry, I cant. whenever someone writes something pathetic like that I just have to respond back
undone pumice
fil when arener
raw summit
Prolly not today idk
raw summit
wheat jay
@fickle forge can tell you all about how to go through that
fickle forge
The way to get over the last one is getting a new one
undone pumice
karg u eu
wheat jay
He is
undone pumice
wheat jay
What, I am his Phil, forsaking him
raw summit
Oh how the mighty have fallen
wheat jay
fair sluice
can someone recommend me a guide for fury warrior in pvp , i just got back in the game
sharp meteor
haste good, all covs good but nf probs worse, get 4pc asap
ooga booga press rampage then raging blow
fair sluice
those pieces works on pvp ?
sharp meteor
ya u buy norm conq pieces then convert them in the catalyst to pvp pieces
fury bonus super jacked
fair sluice
thank you very much, i though i had to raid
sharp meteor
only if u were deranged like most of us and really wanted to play for the first 2 months of the season
because there was no way to target stuff as pvper until recently :))
wet scarab
Bonesmith is a better soulbind tbh
The only advantage marileth has is brief cc immunity during flesh craft
sharp meteor
does anybody play bonesmith in 3v3 ?
uhh i play plague into st matchups and bonesmith into cleave/pet teams
sand shadow
I mean, Emeni is also good
popping banner as Emeni is 9% str buff in addition to your str amp from the necrobanner conduit, also gives allies 2% stat, which is meh but still something
dry trail
all the top warris in lader play plague
sand shadow
this also counts pets as enemies btw
dry trail
marileth
sharp meteor
No, most of the fury warriors I queue into play bonesmith, but we play turbo so that's a cleave plus wolves
Plague is my default though and I'll swap to bone if it looks like it suits
sharp meteor
I mean, Emeni is also good
I might have to also try that, yeah
sand shadow
sth like this ought to be pretty decent
can go right hand side vs RMX for example
idk if Resilient Stitching is nerfed in PvP, but I don't think so
so 90,000x16 / 100 would be a magic absorb for ~15k
the AoE fear can also be pretty good, and I believe it's like a horror effect and doesn't break on dmg iirc?
near delta
Plague is my default though and I'll swap to bone if it looks like it suits
When do you go bonesmith?
sand shadow
you sacrifice the rampage potency conduit, which is pretty dog vs RM anyway
near delta
I assume like when you prob won't be target
sharp meteor
When do you go bonesmith?
cleaves/pets
near delta
Ah yup
sharp meteor
so bm unholy enh turbo yaddaa yadda
can probs play it into everything but i thought plague into isolated targets felt nice
dry trail
2400+ 3v3 stats
sharp meteor
especially when i can flesh a havoc coil if my sham cant dispel it
idc what stats are
that's what people log out in
oh and dang there's only like 140 warrs above 2400 funny
dry trail
also warbringer talent is very strong sometimes i swap it with enrage one
sand shadow
lingers for 5sec but then what? is there an ICD?
sharp meteor
before it fades
raw summit
oh and dang there's only like 140 warrs above 2400 funny
And 5 of those is mud
sharp meteor
like u keep the 5% hp for 5 secs after only in range of 2 targets
raw summit
sand shadow
wat about dis one
raw summit
Meh
sand shadow
can you stack it to 5 on ST if he's 90%+ during?
sand shadow
but do you get 5 stacks?
sharp meteor
u can vs a lot of pets
sand shadow
ahhh
sharp meteor
even if u don't micro it or w/e it's a lot of mastery
sand shadow
you can WW i guess
sand shadow
to proc multiple applications?
raw summit
Ww hamstring Action
sand shadow
thats quite some mastery tbf
near delta
That noob smexxin runs bonesmith
sharp meteor
ya during buttons it's a ton of dam
near delta
Def avoid it
sand shadow
its actually funny how sticky ex-meta builds always prove to be
if you think about it, Merileth was bonkers broken for a long time
and most of us just kept playing it
near delta
Yeah true
sand shadow
even after they murdered the selfhealing
near delta
Or Necro DH last season lol
sharp meteor
but yeah another year of this so might as well try everything even if it seems bad
sand shadow
i am gearing an outlaw, im actually thinking of getting rid of the owl
sharp meteor
imma get every piece of plate gear to try all the stats
near delta
Took NA like 2 months to catchup
sharp meteor
crit mastery 1-bangs with warbringers and crushes
near delta
Crit might actually be super good
sharp meteor
i NEED to try nf fury with something but idk what maybe rdruid and like uhh dk
conq just seems better hmm
sand shadow
sadly wild stat builds so much harder to get this time around due to static tier
near delta
With all that crit we get from reck
sand shadow
crit is obviously good
sharp meteor
less room to mess around
near delta
Yeah
sand shadow
and so anything that empowers these globals is huge
near delta
Feels like people harp on haste a bit too much
sand shadow
esp since arena is not pveing a dummy, people CC you all the time
you can't get full value out of haste most of the time
sharp meteor
yeah and u will have slaughter up during cds when u need it
near delta
Hope they remove conquest cap soon so we can go crazy with weird builds
sand shadow
imo 30% haste is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay overkill
sharp meteor
i think that a lot of people overvalue vers and haste and not just on wawrr but they are good comfort picks that are reliable
sand shadow
i think it's silly going for so much haste
sharp meteor
maybe mastery and crit gonna pop up for more specs
near delta
Yeah vers especially
sharp meteor
if only a bit
i tried all the stats last season and full haste felt kind of weaksauce
full crit felt jank as shit
near delta
People itemize like we still have the trinket bonus
sharp meteor
and a mix was nice
sand shadow
after playing full crit necro arms
i am never not playing w/ at least 12-13% haste
shit is unbearable
sharp meteor
ya i wanted to try that in kitty but never playing with less than
sand shadow
it can literally cost you games
sharp meteor
yeyey
u have big epic 1-bangs but feel bad outside of that
i kept queuing into this one dwarf warr playing kitty who had 0% haste i think
near delta
Jesus
sharp meteor
and he'd just ms or execute one of us for 70% of our health
it was like disc kitty so they'd get dark arc he'd get kyrian empower and just split somebody in half
near delta
That 20/10 felt really good
sharp meteor
i think that it might be a little overstacked
we seem to have enough to do what we need to quickly enough
and might be better off with any of the other stats
sharp meteor
especially when games are fast, and/or you're playing fast comp
sand shadow
that's 60ms
sand shadow
what i've also found curious is how many NA warriors go for dbl jewelry leggos, been thinking bout that
sharp meteor
I went for ring on this warr because I'll craft sephuz on neck then maybe mirror as well
I didn't compare stats versus say neck leggo or legs
just eyeballed
sand shadow
this is how much str i play
dry trail
U play deathamker or signet ?
sand shadow
this is smexxin
sharp meteor
I had two games the other day where I just killed somebody in the opener through everything because deathmaker procced once or twice.
Although I guess it was also full reck/conq+pi
sand shadow
I have str trinket equipped @raw summit and armor leggoes
raw summit
Ahh ye
sand shadow
but this scales w/ banner conduit
and esp if you run emeni
tho ofc badge/insignia proc should also scale I guess
raw summit
More str more % increase
I gotta check mine actually
Prolly gna be more if full gear
sand shadow
frankly, str difference would be even higher if we had more advantageous armor slots to craft leggos on
sand shadow
unity i can defo move from bracer to boots
I did bracers because thats the RNG I got w/ vault
sharp meteor
They're like 10-20k on my realm now so that's nice
raw summit
Ye once i get rich again
sand shadow
judging by armor, a 291 bracer is around 19.52% stats lower than 285 boots
unless they changed the OG scheme where armor is indicative of stat budget per piece
raw summit
P sure wrist and Cape are smallest
sand shadow
raw summit
I gotta get a chest for tier then
sand shadow
169 armor -> 202 armor
now that I think about it, I can deathmaker legs instead of cloak too
and just tier the gloves
sharp meteor
unless they changed the OG scheme where armor is indicative of stat budget per p...
Not sure if proportional but their conq cost kind of reflects it
sand shadow
they're crit/mastery, which is still good
sharp meteor
Ye.
sand shadow
@sharp meteor way back in the dark ages, armor used to be an indicator, haven't bothered to check if that's still the case
sharp meteor
Yeah, way back in the day I didn't look at stuff, at least not until like cata.
where I was prompted to explain why everybody was using the wrong enchants in most twink brackets
also how many oddball sources of armor are there now, i feel like it isn't too many
maybe it was like a single chest enchant
sand shadow
@sharp meteor
ez 3% armor extra boiiii
sadly, armor makes little difference in SL
sharp meteor
o lemme see
sand shadow
they put a DR on it so it doesn't scale as much as before from ssn to ssn
sharp meteor
yepyep armor nerfs
sand shadow
previous years, towards the end of exp, I'd have like 40-50% phys dmg red
now it's 28.14% at 284ilvl
sharp meteor
28.3, 28.7 with and without, roughly
sand shadow
yeah
sharp meteor
now it's 28.14% at 284ilvl
lol my 250 warr has more armor than that
sand shadow
it something I guess :>
like 1% versa vs physical I guess
@sharp meteor wat
how can it have more
sharp meteor
<@129440991294783488> wat
sand shadow
@sharp meteor not in Warmode?
raw summit
At higher ilvl
sand shadow
sharp meteor
<@129440991294783488> not in Warmode?
psure it's on
sharp meteor
lmao it's bfa scaling all over again
sand shadow
raw summit
sharp meteor
every single physical damage dealer is batshit insane rn so eh
raw summit
Look video
sharp meteor
janky ass numbers
raw summit
Oh shit
sand shadow
I mean, yes, you should see DR
raw summit
Imma go save up for legos i think
sand shadow
but how is @sharp meteor at higher value
w/ significantly lower armor value
... no comment 
I dropped ilvl on purpose and it went up
sand shadow
even more confused now
kek
this only shows when I engage the pvp dummy
hm mb its not broken
switching to my normal, higher ilvl gear now shows an improvement
sharp meteor
the what now
sand shadow
its nerfed in PvP
and you lose the 2xPvP trinkets bonus to use it
so it does 30% of the tooltip you see in-game in pvp
so, to answer your question, no, it's not any good in PvP @frank knoll
frank knoll
Ohh
sand shadow
in fact, even if you didn't have to lose the pvp trinkets bonus
not sure i'd use it even then
oh ok
frank knoll
in full season 2 challenger 1 and honor gear, no tier 😦
sharp meteor
got to 60 yesterday and almost 260 today hm maybe this won't be so bad
frank knoll
How tf
sand shadow
260 in pvp?
sharp meteor
ye
sand shadow
yeah prepare the angus mate
the honor grind is real
got my outlul to 278
and i am constantly honor starved
frank knoll
Yeah how tf are you 260 already
sharp meteor
sheer force of will
frank knoll
Do you just have a lot of gold
sharp meteor
how does gold help
sand shadow
essentially
sharp meteor
and yeah conq gain is bad as u can't rly grind it outside ranked
sand shadow
baseline conq gear is like 262 or some shit in pvp
frank knoll
But 291 leggos and crafted ring/neck
sharp meteor
there's a frontloaded chunk that's like
sharp meteor
But 291 leggos and crafted ring/neck
that's like 50k
i have a lot of gold but it doesn't do anything
sharp meteor
so each epic bg gives u quests for conq/honor and stuff and that's good
sand shadow
it does do something
frank knoll
Have you done arena yet
sand shadow
the first few dozens of ilvls are ez, the pain starts after is what I've noticed myself
sharp meteor
lol no i wont touch arena until like 265 or something
undone pumice
tpot
frank knoll
Yeah ppl in low cr are like 89k hp
sharp meteor
i dont wanna grief my lovely healers with my literal rat alt
sand shadow
u gotta
frank knoll
My main hunter is 270 PvP and that’s good enough for now
sharp meteor
u gotta <:dander:905248880910815302>
frank knoll
My warr has 265 belt, still rocking a 235 signet. Then crappy gear from last season and honor gear
undone pumice
is there a pvp lfg channel
sand shadow
im actually so starved for arenas lately i dont even mind helping people gear their alts at this point
undone pumice
like discord
sand shadow
and isnt that 
cant bring myself to LFG again so soon after BFA S1
to find new pepes
sharp meteor
im actually so starved for arenas lately i dont even mind helping people gear th...
alt games unfun rn so stressful
frank knoll
I went SMF with the honor weapons, cheaper
sharp meteor
i actually can't queue enough to get practice in on alts
undone pumice
boost my sham?
sand shadow
but my slaves have escaped
frank knoll
Yeah @sharp meteor also healers are scarce
Could barely find any last night on my main, was doing double DPS hunter. Awkward
sand shadow
best case scenario is to manipulate a healer into rolling an alt
so you both need the arenas
frank knoll
Once I got an H priest I started winning every game
sand shadow
win-win
undone pumice
best case scenario is manipulating my arena bros into playing agin
frank knoll
My arena bros haven’t logged in all season
warped warren
time to hit the lfg ....
frank knoll
I found out My barber actually plays tho, but he’s also a hunter so kinda awk comp wise. We do BGs together sometimes
sharp meteor
wow legendary
sand shadow
rofl
frank knoll
I wore my “The Move” shirt to go get a cut and he’s was like “is that a pikaboo shirt”
raw summit
time to hit the lfg ....
Banger pfp
sand shadow
time to hit the lfg ....
dat scary thoe
undone pumice
phil why u forsake me 
sand shadow
im so bad at ditching people
raw summit
Cuz u didnt do discord Sex Hack yet
raw summit
im so bad at ditching people <:sadge:820202363359854633>
i didnt ditch him i just ghost all his "arena?" cuz i dont have a healer
u go to trending gif
take any and write s/e/x
and then s/e/x again
undone pumice
wtf
raw summit
only on pc
undone pumice
Wtf
frank knoll
@sharp meteor but foreal what’s ur strat for getting 260 PvP so fast
sand shadow
i wrote s/e/x in the search for GIFs rofl
raw summit
frank knoll
Just do BGs all day
undone pumice
sharp meteor
<@129440991294783488> but foreal what’s ur strat for getting 260 PvP so fast
291 leggos, 262 crafted ring, 226 zm gear, then just daily bg/ebg/brawl/shuffle
sand shadow
raw summit
good shit
sharp meteor
there's also the free trinket (aegis)
frank knoll
Yeah ok ok
raw summit
smf worse but then i can mog dumb fish mace i think
very important fact
fish mace good
frank knoll
Yeah I did SMF cause cheaper for now
sharp meteor
My healer won't queue with me until I make a meme mog hmm
frank knoll
Still decent as Necrolord but I heard Titan Grip is better
raw summit
i need new im too generic
sharp meteor
Still decent as Necrolord but I heard Titan Grip is better
I don't really see the upside of smf other than it being cheaper, yeah. You lose stam, stats, dam and gain...a tiny bit of movespeed.
undone pumice
make pirate
frank knoll
SMF seems decent for Venthyr
TG always better, I’m Tauren so I already have high HP
Can’t wait till I’m fully geared and have like 90k hp
sharp meteor
I wonder if I make a tauren hmm
undone pumice
i need new im too generic <:sadge:820202363359854633>
wtf why did u post my mog
sharp meteor
I'm gonna be like the desmephisto of pvp
frank knoll
The autistic warrior guy
undone pumice
zugger
sharp meteor
yes epic beard man
undone pumice
@ DesMephisto#7794
sharp meteor
yeah imma b him except with a warr of each race floating around in 3s
actually hyped to play dark iron and gobbo lmao
undone pumice
speeed
remove racials when
make them like a talent row
like ancestral boons
and only keep the cool ones
like make camp
sharp meteor
nah just nerf the op ones
sand shadow
i dont mind racials idk
sharp meteor
maybe buff bad nes
sand shadow
I think it's a cool thhing
sharp meteor
worgen tsg running at you with 200% speed seems funny
but why every paly that over human or nelf or orc
especially orc
sand shadow
idk can you imagine RMX in an orc-less world
sharp meteor
maybe it'd finally get nerfs lmao
i want orcs nerfed because i am burnt on orcs after two decades and want some variety
but knowing blizz that'll just make rmp better and that's it
like cool
mystic barn
just strip racials from races then for class selection have the option of picking the past racials
boom done
undone pumice
war stomp
sand shadow
its just stupid
sand shadow
not a roleplayer or anything, but tauren rogues are just troll AF
undone pumice
orc priest is just orc shaman
sand shadow
tauren mage is also stupid AF
sand shadow
tauren monks make sense, despite looking garbo
sharp meteor
tauren mage is also stupid AF
in lore aren't tauren like illiterate
sand shadow
they're the chill, nature-loving horde race
@sharp meteor what
where did you get that rofl
undone pumice
k but u could make that argument in the same way or reverse for any race class combo
sharp meteor
but yeah nerf op races maybe buff bad ones it'd be cool
sand shadow
yeah but that's because they keep on adding new combos that make no sense
undone pumice
tauren have enough faith in the earthmother that they can overcome exteeme challenges such as studying the arcane
sand shadow
like, a shadow priest orc makes sense
undone pumice
is prob how tauren mage will be justified
sand shadow
but a holy one? not rly
spice hornet
I have to play orc so I just use j morph
Don’t care if I get banned that would be a blessing get me off this shit game
sand shadow
if it makes sense for a human to be a priest, then forsaken priests are perfectly reasonable too
sharp meteor
Don’t care if I get banned that would be a blessing get me off this shit game
i think one of my partners lost their s1 r1 from jmorph
which is weird because i saw a lot of people using it
sand shadow
says who? Why wouldn't they?
undone pumice
they can regain senses
sharp meteor
i am too sketched to use in general i would be sad with 6 month
undone pumice
they can start to taste decay in their mouthes and feel maggots ij their organs
sharp meteor
yum
sharp meteor
hpriest presses serenity on undead teammate and it just fucking disenchants them
deepest lore
sand shadow
making fun of your elders is no bueno
sand shadow
dont make me go ask nobbel87
undone pumice
170?
undone pumice
yes
wheat jay
They get disenchanted by anything that's holy
sand shadow
no that is
undone pumice
they get a stacking debuff
wheat jay
They are antithesis to holy
sand shadow
no they're not wtf
undone pumice
at 40 stacks they get chicken sandwich debuff
wheat jay
Lorewise they are
wheat jay
No
sand shadow
YES