pvp

[near delta]

Why did they add the infernal stun? Lol Surely it has limited use in pve.

[mystic barn]

sounds good in m+ for tank peels and grouping

[scarlet barn]

I like this power

[mortal elm]

guys would you rather suggest to do rbgs to get tier slot items since i cant drop them in dungeons

could only get 2 items now

will buy hands and chest to make it tier set

[mystic barn]

yolo rbgs can be fast conquest

[nimble jasper]

^

fast conquest/honor

just some of the dumbest mfers

to walk this earth

[mystic barn]

thats why its profitable

[nimble jasper]

yeah

its usually dumdum on both teams

[mortal elm]

which pve ilvl i can upgrade them without getting rating?

[nimble jasper]

uhh

not high

[mortal elm]

2/9 or 3/9

[nimble jasper]

unrated is 249

psure

[mystic barn]

think u need a minimum rating to even upgrade

[mortal elm]

ooh

its just i dont wanna convert 229 catchup gear to tier

[mystic barn]

unrated is 249 yea

[nimble jasper]

get m15 gear?

dunno

[mystic barn]

my 285 is 272 in pve

[nimble jasper]

yeah

duelist is 272

elite is 275

same in pvp but

[mystic barn]

prob seems like a waste of time spending charges on 249 ilvl gear

[mortal elm]

thats the thing i cant drop

ill wait a while then

[upbeat sapphire]

If you convert it at 249 now you can still upgrade it later. Unless you’re never going to get even 1k rating then just go farm M+ instead

[mystic barn]

yes

he was asking what pve ilvl he can get without rating

which is why i was saying its a waste to get pvp gear, better just to spam m+ if theyre a pve'r

[spice hornet]

why do people complain about fury needing a nerf? im trying not to be biased as a warrior main but i dont think we're anywhere near lock/rogue/hunter/fire mage tier, maybe the most 'op' thing we have is the repeated charging from crushing blow during reck, but besides that the class has its weaknesses and ways to easily punish it

[sharp meteor]

because people don't know what fury does except run at their face super hard doing 8k dps with a 40% ms

i told people dstance nerf is a mistake and that nobody should want fury to be playable

[spice hornet]

i do miss arms quite a bit

[sharp meteor]

but yeah i'll be annoyed if fucking FURY gets a nerf before rogue, destro tier, surv tier, feral tier, hpriest, etc

[spice hornet]

fury too zug and boring 3 buttons

[sharp meteor]

like brother they nerfed fucking PROTECTION TIER

BEFORE DESTRO

[spice hornet]

[sharp meteor]

🤠

[near delta]

It's true lmao

[simple rock]

I played man cleave with the highest NA prot warr for some of my glad wins

[sharp meteor]

oh well both specs still dog in raid so maybe tier revert 👀 that'd b chill

[simple rock]

it's possibly our fault that it got nerfed

[sharp meteor]

i logged out after queue session as prot and was highest prot for a while heck

[simple rock]

it honestly wasn't even that busted, highest he hit in 3s was like 40k

it was a terrible comp into caster cleave

[sharp meteor]

YEAH lmao

[simple rock]

but into melee cleaves

or jungle

oh man

[sharp meteor]

melee get shit on

wizards eat u

does prot take infinite dam?

[simple rock]

yeah

[sharp meteor]

cringe

[simple rock]

vs wizards at least

was fun though venn diagram spear setup

[near delta]

Did cdew tweet about you?

[simple rock]

nah

never got queue into them in 3s

played a lot of other streamers though

[sharp meteor]

"every class has potential"

exclusively spams holy rmp

https://streamable.com/uo9pgd

[warped warren]

rmp players 😂

[spice hornet]

Lmfaooooo

All those rmp players literally spam q that comp and only that comp 24/7

They switch it up by having the mage play rogue, the rogue play mage, etc.

[earnest wharf]

does jungle have advantage over RMP? handful of SV and feral really high on the charts

[sharp meteor]

they can't kite/control the damage as easily and are actually on a timer

unlike almost every other comp

where rmp just loses if they get bored/impatient

[near delta]

Palumors highest xp alts are his priest and his mage lol

[spice hornet]

Lol yep

[sharp meteor]

ibf'd at 100% bro

I'm still fuckin dead bro

also holy fk jungle opens so insanely hard now with feral 4pc

feels like it's bop instantly or kyrian potion

[near delta]

Feral 4pc is nutty

[spice hornet]

Oh yeah it’s awful even as an orc by the time that stun is over you’re nearly dead without big CDs

[sharp meteor]

yeah actually i frenzied regen instantly

and have been trying impending into disc and running at them

still kind of torn on jungle as just slamming damage into the hunter with bolt also feels good

[indigo barn]

Wasn't the 4 set nerfed by 50% early on and the feral community cried bloody murder over it?

[lucid walrus]

they got buffed in march it seems

oh wait no you're right

the second pic was before that in early feb

[indigo barn]

Yeah

8k non crits

Fun

Getting triple bite convoked meme for almost 100k total over 2 sexonds

Very fun

[lucid walrus]

it's so nuts

you'll ER the stun thinking you're fine and die through

[elder wigeon]

30% is a joke of a wall

[spice hornet]

yeah ER is a bad cooldown lmao

gotta use the desert flute

before the cnvoke feral opens on you

[lucid walrus]

this is true

ibf stronge bc it's a stun trinket as well

30% is barely more than bark

[indigo barn]

Just run the Blackrock hold silence trinket and auto kick him easy

[simple rock]

my friend and I couldn't find a dps in lfg for 30mins

fury hpal

retail down bad

[sharp meteor]

destro tier nerf waiting room

also why queue early when u can wait aa bit then get glad just casually capping with gigainflation

[simple rock]

we just wanted to press some buttons and have fun

oh well

[wet scarab]

it is actually such a tedious season I'm thinking of just sticking to pve

[lucid walrus]

would make a meme about locks and dks sharing constant bitching and moaning about underperformance only to have the most obnoxious metas ever but i'm too lazy

[wet scarab]

last season I couldnt wait to queue most nights and this time around I haven't even capped like 3 weeks

[lucid walrus]

it took me til the other day to realize this season has been like 3 months long

and it's just now playable at week 12

[wet scarab]

there's like no matches that feel interesting or good to play except mirrors lol

[sharp meteor]

Setting up a fourth warr, wonder if partners are gonna lob me for shitpicking the race

[lucid walrus]

if bfa didn't exist it wouldn't be close regarding how egregiously balanced the xpac has been

[sharp meteor]

destro nerfs when reee

[lucid walrus]

haha that's great man

[sharp meteor]

trinket parry uwu

[lucid walrus]

was on the healer

[wet scarab]

did he try to trinket parry too?

the annoying thing is destro feels so good to play in pve too

[undone pumice]

wtf

teapot how sweat are ur partners if they lob u for not being orc

[sharp meteor]

o they won't I just wonder how annoyed my shaman might be

[sharp meteor]

trinket vene and even if you die they know that you tried

[undone pumice]

what race are u tho

[sharp meteor]

uwupera

[sage raptor]

Bis warr race

[sharp meteor]

missin comp stomp something fierce

[undone pumice]

completly understand why ud be lobbed

at least have some decency and pick hmt

[sharp meteor]

i will be the #1 uwupera world

[undone pumice]

if ur gonna be furry

[undone pumice]

no tyats 100% a hunter

[sage raptor]

I believe in you Teapot

[wet scarab]

man someone actually used maledict on me today and got my nelf warrior money's worth

[sharp meteor]

maledict actually still a decent trinket i think in some stuff

[undone pumice]

some healer i found in lfg maledicted the fuck out of a rogue today ehen he evasioned on 1 hp

[wet scarab]

gg

it was an hpriest ret pal I think

[undone pumice]

it aint me

[wet scarab]

not a bad comp for it with mindgames

[undone pumice]

mindgames + maledict

30k healing absorbed

[wet scarab]

I nuked myself when I used impending victory with MG when I wasnt paying attention today

[undone pumice]

wait till u find out about

s3 maleeict

[wet scarab]

I dont even understand how it works tbh

[undone pumice]

i think u consume absorb

to tgen consume healing

like big anti fleshcraft item

[wet scarab]

yeah but it has to be positioned really well too doesn it

[undone pumice]

yea

[wet scarab]

because it'sacone

[undone pumice]

u gotta hope they dont move out the frontal

u become a raid boss for a sec

[wet scarab]

should pair it with NF warrior kek

or spear

[undone pumice]

spear isnt an ability

[sharp meteor]

god i love spear and hope they make it physical as a talent in dragonlands

[sage raptor]

You're not an ability

[sharp meteor]

pin mage nerds into the dirt

[wet scarab]

found ndogo on the warlock pvp disc

[undone pumice]

true im an inter

ndogo is in every other class disc @wet scarab

[wet scarab]

he was asking about lock builds so I'm assuming he's rerolling again

[undone pumice]

he just specificallyhates us

nah he has a trillion alts im p sure

[sharp meteor]

luv alts

[mystic barn]

🦀

[lucid walrus]

ndogodestro has a decent ring to it

[sage raptor]

Rip ndogo

What happened to that dude that kept malding

[mystic barn]

resune?

[lucid walrus]

bruin is deceased

[sage raptor]

Rip

Got sent to the cringe cage

[undone pumice]

bruin went to play in traffic like he told dhs to

[fickle forge]

He told DKs to do it too

[undone pumice]

everhone

everyone

[warped warren]

HAHAHA

stealing this one

[near delta]

I've been waiting on average and hour to an hour and a half to play 3 games before the group breaks up doesn't feel worth lol

[ancient sonnet]

Yea that's why I started trying a healer. Insta queue's for pretty much anything. Only downside is you have to heal in this shit storm

[undone pumice]

only downside is playing

[rustic geyser]

why is it so impossible to find healersssssssssss

[undone pumice]

go to random hpirest in oribos

[ancient sonnet]

You healed in this? lol

[undone pumice]

tell him i send u feet pics if u heal

ez

[raw summit]

And that ur a woman

Important detail

[undone pumice]

no

say u have tight bussy

[rustic geyser]

are those stats fine ?

[undone pumice]

what are u

fury arms necro kyr

[rustic geyser]

fury necro

or is this better

[undone pumice]

bit crit heavy

also get speed enchant on cloak and ring

first is better

[raw summit]

Top is better cuz vers

[rustic geyser]

allright then

i need speed on cloak and ring ?

[raw summit]

You dont need but it's useful

[rustic geyser]

anything else ?

while im at auction house :d

[raw summit]

There's 2 types of speed gems

Bfa one that gives flat and SL that gives % per Socket

If u dont have full sockets the former is better

And goblin gliders just cuz

[undone pumice]

do u have engineering

[rustic geyser]

nope

btw isnt this better

[undone pumice]

ra

big pump

[rustic geyser]

ra ?

aa

oo

welll i mean

i can reck banner and just melt ppl innit

cant i

[raw summit]

Yessir

[rustic geyser]

but is it like a real ting or

it just seems like that

havent seen anyone talk about it

[raw summit]

It's real

Other people complain but we arent locks

So it's whatever

[thick reef]

is this a giga shit season to try push glad?

been told 2100+ is super hard compared to other seasons

atm

[raw summit]

It is

[thick reef]

[raw summit]

Not muy inflato yet so it's good players lower down

[thick reef]

if inflation is the only reason ppl get glad doesnt that mean theyre not a glad level player

[undone pumice]

yes

[thick reef]

ill see how 18>2.1 feels

and judge it on that

[raw summit]

No reason not to play

[thick reef]

yah true

[raw summit]

Worst that happens is u stay 1800

Doesnt hurt

[thick reef]

rbgs best way to gear?

i got 1800 with 2% vers

[raw summit]

Buy all conq gear and upgrade to 1800

[thick reef]

and no pvp set bonus

kk

ty

[raw summit]

I mean Helm and shoulders are vers

[thick reef]

oh ye i assume we keep 4p

[raw summit]

Ofc

[thick reef]

so buy all around that and just go

haste vers?

[raw summit]

RA in pvp

Ye

[thick reef]

how hard do we stack vers

till it drs or just as much as possi?

[raw summit]

30ish

If ur all conq it's gonna naturally settle in the low 30s

≈33/34

[thick reef]

too easy

ty phil

[raw summit]

Np

[undone pumice]

30% is whatu want

30+ is shit

[thick reef]

once im vers capped

[rustic geyser]

BRO

[thick reef]

should i go mastery or crit

[rustic geyser]

RECKLESS ABANDON IS SO OP

HOLY

shity

my raging blow sometimes dashes me or soemthing

so cool

[thick reef]

ye it charges you

[rustic geyser]

this fine now yes ?:D

[lucid walrus]

more vers more haste

good enough to where your stats aren’t gating you anyhow

[rustic geyser]

I NEED MORE VERS ?

okay but which finger is better

or

[undone pumice]

¨2

[rustic geyser]

i dont have the honor and conq to buy the proper ones

[undone pumice]

crit is shit for fury

[rustic geyser]

but ilvl ...

its 600 hp actually

its fine

[undone pumice]

mastery is good

haste is goo

vers is good

[undone pumice]

wtf is outlaws burst i dont know what this spec does

i hate pirates

what ability is their burst idek

[nimble jasper]

doesnt have burst abilities

besides kyrian points

[undone pumice]

adrenaline rush?

[nimble jasper]

no

you pop on cd

[undone pumice]

so its like arms or fury

just consistant pressure

[nimble jasper]

yeah

[undone pumice]

except it has 100k hp

and 1m evasion

[nimble jasper]

i guess blind cd

[flat isle]

Can be lower than that because of true bearing and the conduit

I've seen outlaw get vanish down to like a 25 second CD

[undone pumice]

jsut dont hit into it

[flat isle]

True bearing lowers the CD of abilities from them using combo points

I said vanish down to 25 seconds, not evasion

[undone pumice]

oh wait what

25s vanish

how do u die as that class then wtf

[flat isle]

Yup. If they have true bearing from roll the bones they get 2s off CD for most of their abilities per combo point spent

Watch some of the vods of anyone playing the vanish legendary for double kidney. It's why they can do it so often

[near delta]

Outlaw seems fun but way harder on the wrists than fury lol

[steep inlet]

Lol

https://clips.twitch.tv/UgliestSpinelessGooseChocolateRain-OhFYLtmY23bNGw8e

[sharp meteor]

ribbit

[nimble jasper]

playing venthyr greenskins isnt the standard

regular kyrian shadowdust/blunderbuss is more sustained

[steep inlet]

Fuck standards

[nimble jasper]

also the fuck are you playing

if no dreadblades

wtf

[steep inlet]

I have dreadblades

[nimble jasper]

wasnt showing as a debuff

[undone pumice]

how incredibly fucking disgusting is the french language

hearing this sounds like u are actively licking ur desk

i am so sorry u got spawnpoint diffed

[warped warren]

FRAPPE MORTELLE

[undone pumice]

also wtf is ur action bars

why do u have

bags and micro menu there

how

bt4?

[raw summit]

Bartender

Can move that

[undone pumice]

ye bt4

but wtf

why would u use bt4 just to get like old blizz ui

[raw summit]

Default bt44

Old blizz Okayge

[undone pumice]

no default b4s bars are misaligned

[raw summit]

I like current more tho

[raw summit]

His are alligned properly

[undone pumice]

yea its not default

[raw summit]

It's almost

So who give a shit

[undone pumice]

i do

it tilts me

bt4 addon tilts me because i cant use it as u saw

[raw summit]

Idk man just use default

[undone pumice]

default is aids

[raw summit]

Or be an elvui + weakaura + no Bars Andy

[undone pumice]

have to use macro to kill gryphons

and background

[raw summit]

Idc i like birds

[undone pumice]

i want wyverns not

gryphon

[raw summit]

Pve ui

No Bars

[undone pumice]

pve ui

pve ui

intervene

pick one

[raw summit]

Mobility, hello?

[undone pumice]

ah yes intervene ur tank to get out of mechanic

[raw summit]

Aso safeguard in pve

Is good

Intervene parry on tank

Unironically good

[undone pumice]

get chunked for 70% hp and get dotted and die

only time i intervened in pve

it got done to me like that

[raw summit]

It's a busted spell and should be used

Just dont p1 it

Use mouseover

[undone pumice]

mouseover macros

[raw summit]

That's why i got 3 intervene binds

2 for Party 1 for mouseover

[undone pumice]

i have 5

cancel bs

regular targeted

pty 1 pty 2 and prty 4

not 3

[raw summit]

Why p3

Or p4 idk

That serves no purpose

[undone pumice]

it do

hivemind groups rogue is usually p4

[raw summit]

Mongrel

[undone pumice]

u gotta do what u gotta do

[lean burrow]

How long does it take to gear up on conquest?

Cuz I'm gearing up three characters

And it's taking ages

2.5 weeks and I have only weapon + 2 pieces

[steep inlet]

calm down

[sharp meteor]

my lock was 200 when comp stomp started i got full honor gear from it then capped conquest the next week

if lfg it'll be suffering though haha

[near delta]

They need to make comp stomp monthly or something

[ancient sonnet]

Or just up the honor gained in arena. It's ridiculously low

[near delta]

True

[raw summit]

100% increase to honor gains PLEASE

I beg

[ancient sonnet]

Can only run like 3 comp stomps before my brain shuts down

[raw summit]

That's the negative

It fries u

[thick reef]

also boring

sometimes

it is fun to smash bots for hours and even play other talents bc why the fuck not but feels repetitive sometimes

[fickle forge]

Conquest is easy, honor is a bitch

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, all those upgrades 💀 Would be chill if solo shuffle queues were shorter

[ancient sonnet]

They really need mmr in solo queue. Feel like a mean ol bully when I go in there

[near delta]

Yeah. Upping the scaling to put people at ~270 ilvl would go a long way. 239 rn does nothing

[raw summit]

239 vs 285

glhf

[near delta]

Every round is find the lowest guy and cyberbully him

[raw summit]

ye

[sharp meteor]

charged a mw for 28k in a shuffle yesterday

imagine rolling at 70% and fucking dying before it ends

[nimble jasper]

solo shuffle and yolo rbgs be like that

[elfin surge]

🤣

[rustic geyser]

is that buff tracker on target?

[raw summit]

weakauras for rend and a buff bar for tier/CS debuffs n shit

[rustic geyser]

how did u do that

[raw summit]

weakauras addon but i dont play like this in pvp

[rustic geyser]

well

i need to see my siegebreaker and mortal wounds

but idk how to make it

and there arent any in internet

[raw summit]

this is what u need for the debuff if you wanted a weakaura

however most nameplates also show it

[spice hornet]

ever go to the maw with WM on by accident and when you go to the portal to Oribos there's a literal alliacne raid group camping that area 24/7

how is that fun LOL

just sit in the maw allday and wait around?

[raw summit]

bored ass cringers

[spice hornet]

colossal waste of time

just turned on barbarian and double leaped to the portal

[ancient sonnet]

just rocket boots bladestorm zoomage

[river walrus]

Guys, as fury in 2s against arms warrior + druid, do I run bolt and disarm? or Impending victory + disarm?

[near delta]

Korthia was a whole 'nother level. Legit got 1v40d a few times.

[near delta]

Personally I'd take double time/warbringer and try to run down/swap to his druid.

[ancient sonnet]

Yea you can explode a druid on a hardswap

[spice hornet]

was trying to q some alts for fun at 1800 mmr and 4 different mage lock teams in a row KEKW time to log off for the day

[gaunt rover]

272 gavel > rival offhand?

or verse ilvl better? did gavel get nerfed

in arena

[elder wigeon]

pretty crazy not running stormbolt for an rdruid if you plan on going him

[wet scarab]

wut horde complaining about alliance mass ganking?

physician, heal thyself

[sharp meteor]

Ye? Horde too busy playing arena or afking Oribos.

Alliance bunch of 40 year olds who premade epic bgs and world pvp because they can't play ranked

[wet scarab]

kekw

[sharp meteor]

Cross faction when, I wanna be a dorf

[wet scarab]

those things are always pendulum swings, alliance ganks everything for an hour, people get bored, then horde does it

I wanna be orc 😦

[sharp meteor]

big beard and destroy all the jungles and assa rogues

[wet scarab]

what it must feel like to not sit 10 min kidney shots

[sharp meteor]

bop kyrian potion or fireblood for all the jungle goes hnnnnng

[wet scarab]

dark iron master race

[near delta]

I've never seen horde doing that tbh but also I've never been on the other side

[wet scarab]

it's just a factor of the faction imbalance, generally a lot more horde doing world content where WM is a factor and whenever alliance does it for some time horde is organised enough to respond with overwhelming force

generally a seesaw thing though where they take turns

[sharp meteor]

Ye it does flip and flop but I generally only see Alli

liek I run around on my Alli char and see nobody except other alli

[near delta]

Yeah I only ever see alliance but I'm on an alli dominated server so maybe that affects it even with sharding

[spice hornet]

can you sanct succubus

seducation

does any1 know

ret sanc

[sharp meteor]

hmm i don't think so

as it's a charm or w/e

er disorient

[wicked bison]

think they gonna buff disc damage

[sharp meteor]

hmm possibly

or just nerf holy a bit more

disc seems fine in jungle rn and maybe a few melee cleaves?

[rustic geyser]

anyone with siegebreaker weakaura please ?

[raw summit]

same setup

just siegebreaker debuff id

@rustic geyser

[rustic geyser]

this ?

[elder wigeon]

wdym

to track your own?

[rustic geyser]

track the debuff on enemy

[raw summit]

Ye will work

Not like it affects gameplay WHATSOEVER

[rustic geyser]

it does ?

i reck banner after i see i have applied siegebreaker

thats when u kill ppl'

[undone pumice]

could be a legit strat

to get dm proc

reck banner badge orc

bonk

[rustic geyser]

thats what i do

yes

[raw summit]

I just rip it

[undone pumice]

go from 0 to 100 in 1 gcd

[raw summit]

I can kill without proc anyways

[rustic geyser]

yea same

but

[undone pumice]

not like sham who needs to spend like

[rustic geyser]

when against healers

[undone pumice]

4 gcds

to burst

[raw summit]

Legit they die anyways

[undone pumice]

phil we play?

[raw summit]

But sure it might be good

[undone pumice]

is heal here

[raw summit]

No it's midnight mf

[undone pumice]

wtf

[raw summit]

No he's on vacation

[undone pumice]

its friday

wtf

he leaves u

guess il lfg

[raw summit]

Happens

[undone pumice]

4% from frog

then 100 more wins this ssn

my first saddle

[raw summit]

We will get that but maybe later

[undone pumice]

WTF

theres a clefthoof

gotta be bis

fuckin HUGE

[raw summit]

Pugging healer for 3s is not rly gonna be an issue p sure

[undone pumice]

so u go sleep?

[raw summit]

I hop on Main u on shamn and we blast

Today yes

But the coming weeks i have a lot of time

[undone pumice]

i just saw

a

train

of nightfae soulshape dragon

im scared

never going to org again

[mystic barn]

play 3s rn philbert

[raw summit]

i wrote a 6h exam today im slightly fried

[mystic barn]

go gym

[raw summit]

at midnight

[undone pumice]

home gym

do bomba pushups

play with pump and struggle to move ur hands to buttons

[raw summit]

these mfs dont even put effort into it no more

[spice hornet]

they live in like poor coutnries with broken ass english

[raw summit]

well then its sad thats a real and viable job

[near delta]

The whole writing an exam thing is always so confusing to me lol

[spice hornet]

lol yeah its stupid

real good q's on the main tnight! fun games

[rustic geyser]

whats good comp for warrior in 3s

[spice hornet]

hpriest/destro/desro

[near delta]

It's just all locks

[spice hornet]

why do they not care

[raw summit]

torgast balance patch

rather than pvp tuning

[near delta]

Too focused nerfing prot and buffing aff

I don't think destro gets touched until 9.2.5.

[sharp meteor]

turbo and that's kind of it

go play destro for free dragon because they abandoned the game no more fixes owo

[rustic geyser]

turbo ?

[sharp meteor]

yeah it's where u legally queue double healer

[rustic geyser]

hhnm

[sharp meteor]

i really think it might be the only way to play arms rn LMAO

maybe fine in retwarr but fury seems better in general

[undone pumice]

epic sex comp

[sharp meteor]

yo yo we had to nerf prot tier but not destro don't ask us why

hate it here

[undone pumice]

this close to returning to monkey

and playing cleave

[spice hornet]

fury bertter in ret war cause the ret has to waste holy power wogging the poor arms

[sharp meteor]

ya lmao arms takes infinite dam

d tier spec

[undone pumice]

unironically?

[elder wigeon]

warrior takes infinite dam

[spice hornet]

needs a turbo man to keep arms up

or a good NF spriest

[elder wigeon]

i mean that's the problem with warrior right? blizzard keeps nerfing warrior instead of hybrid and it's cuckolding us into only being able to play with hybrids

which hybrids were always the problem

[undone pumice]

the problem eith warr is

changinf a 2 to a 1

breaks it completely

[elder wigeon]

i mean it's not that simple

[undone pumice]

it is

d stance nerf was a hate crime

[elder wigeon]

10% d-stance can exist in a world where warrior has more sustainability

[spice hornet]

yeah warr is pretty hard to balance, it has no spammable cc, heal, fire/ret tier burst, no immunity, sowhen its bad its easily replaced by modern melee and their kits

[undone pumice]

warr kit underloaded pls buff

[elder wigeon]

warrior is just a target dummy spec and if people can parse on you, you need to be tanky

either we're in and doing something or we're out and doing nothing

[undone pumice]

warr has done the same shit since classic

arms at least

apply healing debufd

[elder wigeon]

sorta

[undone pumice]

execute

[elder wigeon]

there's been some expansions where warrior has high self sustain

[undone pumice]

its the only thing ppl recognize arms for

mop

mop was just blizzard saying haha

why not

panda why not

[elder wigeon]

warriors were op in 1 season because of taste for blood, otherwise they were just simply "good"

[undone pumice]

second wind why not

[lucid walrus]

we’re archaic in terms of design ya

it’s annoying

[undone pumice]

warr was the leas ttouched in legion of all classes right

[elder wigeon]

I mean that's just how we have to exist

[undone pumice]

in terms of what it do

[elder wigeon]

if you really get to the meat of the problem, blizzard fucked this class up bad in wod and it was the un-doing of all they learned from wrath-> mop

[lucid walrus]

our survivability crutched on damage prevention rather than healing bc obv we don’t have much of anything for it. notice how wog nerfs didn’t do much of anything to ret in the long run

[raw summit]

Tier helps massively with their healing tbf

[undone pumice]

wtf happened in wod

[lucid walrus]

the great pruning

[raw summit]

Since it takes less generators per wog

[elder wigeon]

the wog nerfs were to nerf ret warrior as a comp because arms had insane mitigation and the hybrid healing was way overboard

[lucid walrus]

this is true. that and the meta shift were successful there at least

[undone pumice]

when arms has a good hybrid comps its literally just qing with 2 healers

when it doesnt it is a hate crime

[sharp meteor]

have seen one arms in a few weeks and it was like vices

[undone pumice]

kitty and retwarr s2, turbo s3

[elder wigeon]

I don't know if there's ever been a hybrid meta like this where you have to play with an enhance or not at all, and lives on the crutch of enhance being a literal second healer

[sharp meteor]

d tier spec

[lucid walrus]

we had 4(?) damage buttons at wod launch

that was it

[undone pumice]

i have seen one (1) arms in 300 2s games

[elder wigeon]

wod ruined a lot of class' design irreversibly

[undone pumice]

granted its not a bracket designed for wareiors to be good

[elder wigeon]

warriors have been good in 2's since arenas came out, there's just brief moments where they fuck the design of warrior up bad and it's not viable

[lucid walrus]

there used to be a vid on yt of asmon reacting to our spellbook then

i can’t find it rn but it was funny

[elder wigeon]

this is just a terrible season, it could be worse, warriors were beyond terrible in all of cata

[undone pumice]

fury has like

6 abilities

that only it has

[lucid walrus]

rampage-era (modern, post-legion) fury is still controversial for class vets

[undone pumice]

i will hit 2k first time this season i hope

[elder wigeon]

it's actually crazy how rough it is for warrior rn

[undone pumice]

the shitter the class tge better because ppl have to adapt to not needing to use muktiple defensives to survive

[raw summit]

if you dont know of the good ol times u wont feel the changes

[lucid walrus]

my boy showed me his lock in duels with no tier, no leggo and last season gear and he was still ripping 20k chaos bolts on geared targets

[elder wigeon]

I was playing some KFC just to fuck around with friends, against jungle in the opener my rdruid barked, overgrowthed and flourished me and my health was slowly going down still from sickle frenzy

[near delta]

Rdruids that never press clone are infuriating

[sharp meteor]

oh well rip arms but at least fury is great

[undone pumice]

i got killled in .2s for 50k through regen rally by a feral today

[sharp meteor]

mongo up the ladder boyos i wanna see clothie tears

[elder wigeon]

like how is that even possible, it's a soul rejuv + bark + overgrowth + cen ward + flourish and my health is literally going down

[lucid walrus]

we went from a year and a half run of being best melee to what seems like one of the bottom spots, esp in a non-melee season

[elder wigeon]

that is maximum heals from an rdruid

[sharp meteor]

o ya dmg so high right now

[elder wigeon]

fucking 45K sickle + 35k frenzy + every other dot feral has + hunter damage

through bark

[near delta]

Those commie cats are brutal

[raw summit]

not dwarf

tragic

but fr

fuck that bleed shit

[elder wigeon]

literally wheelchair spec and hybrids are our wheelchair

[raw summit]

funny

[undone pumice]

warr getting nerfed in 9.2 heavily snd again in a hotfix a week later

buffs destro

[raw summit]

If they nerf fury ms

I will spend irl rage on slam

[sharp meteor]

bro perma 40% ms while sustaining like 10k dps is like aaaaaa

[undone pumice]

it could be nerfed but should stay for longer

[near delta]

I honestly wouldnt be surprised if Fury gets nerfed before destro lol

[undone pumice]

nerf to 30% stay for 12s

[raw summit]

I mean it's obviously not fine but not thr worst either

[elder wigeon]

the problem is just simply they nerfed d-stance by half and then tier sets came out, damage doubled in 1 patch and healthpools went up by 20k

[raw summit]

Like rather than that destro

[sharp meteor]

ya dam so high

[raw summit]

Id wanna see this season with old trinkets

[elder wigeon]

it's fuckin bullshit lmao damage is WAY too high

[raw summit]

Bonus i mean

[undone pumice]

its been gigahigh for all of SL

[raw summit]

Would it be better or worse idfk

[elder wigeon]

this season is by far the worst offender

[undone pumice]

a tleast all i played in SL

week 1 of s1

[mystic barn]

🤨

[raw summit]

Convoke lulw

[undone pumice]

hate crimed by rogues

[elder wigeon]

damage literally doubled from 9.1 to 9.2

[undone pumice]

just dont get hit

[elder wigeon]

target dummy spec

[raw summit]

Evasion u say

Outlaw...

Hmmm

[undone pumice]

no

i banish u to shadow realm if we play cleave and im warr

[raw summit]

Didnt u wanna enha

[undone pumice]

cleave

is warr rog

[raw summit]

Oh ye i got a rogue

Once they add boxes

[mystic barn]

no

[undone pumice]

i gear my enha once we get box

[raw summit]

Or u play enha with healers DH for absolutely pepega 2s

For conq

[undone pumice]

hate crime

to play 2s with dh

[frank knoll]

I don’t know whether to play outlaw rogue, fury warr or lock as an alt

[undone pumice]

clearly

youve never played fury

[raw summit]

Lock

Cuz only real class

[frank knoll]

I played fury to 1800 BfA season 4 that’s about it

Stacked gushing wounds

[undone pumice]

clearly

[frank knoll]

Cheesy

[undone pumice]

you dont have fun in life

[frank knoll]

Is it fun now, what’s the deal

[undone pumice]

@bruin

where 2.1k

idk

u played warr in bfa

should be reason enough

[raw summit]

Essentially you play pve

[frank knoll]

So I can just turn my brain off after a long day

[undone pumice]

yes

[raw summit]

But on someone shitting and crying dying through their defensives

[undone pumice]

press raging blow

[raw summit]

Have 4 set

[undone pumice]

oog

boog

[raw summit]

Is the only req

[undone pumice]

oosh

[frank knoll]

Ohh yeah this toon is like a fresh alt

Like 220 ilvl or some shit

[sharp meteor]

i wonder if i can get 2 vault slots on shitty new warr before reset hm

[undone pumice]

go "flag defend" in random bgs

[sharp meteor]

yeah epic bgs are the way

[undone pumice]

then get conq gear

then go to epic catalyst

[sharp meteor]

i just find a healer to follow around and rp as a bodyguard

[undone pumice]

make sweet love to it

and u will have 4pc

[sharp meteor]

prevents me from dying to pikaboo wannabe #213

[undone pumice]

u forget

pilav wannabe

fully geared balkan man

searching for vulnerable people

[sharp meteor]

i have fully immersed myself into fury

rip in peace arms

[gaunt rover]

272 gavel or rival wep for offhand?

[undone pumice]

both

[sharp meteor]

idk try them

[gaunt rover]

boons super rng if its a good one

not sure if the ilvl and verse

is better

[sharp meteor]

psure mystic mace is bis but idk about low ilev

[frank knoll]

Pilav gives me strong Albanian vibes

[sharp meteor]

vers kind of poo

1% dmg reduction wont save u

[undone pumice]

u can swap gavel out if u swap to sword and board first

[sharp meteor]

and u will always have like 30% from gear

[gaunt rover]

i can swap offhand after i proc it huh

just cant go back to it

[undone pumice]

u can

equip fgavel

[frank knoll]

And Albanians are Turks, so Pilav is Turk

[undone pumice]

use equip sword and shield macro

use normal weps equip macro

[raw summit]

Pilav

[sharp meteor]

had a game the other day where in opener we killed a priest through his dome ps and rapture

in a conq banner

doot doot i love necro fury 🪓

[undone pumice]

i managed to kill an outlaw today

with a mw healer

as fury feral 2w

[mystic barn]

Disc gets ran down

Hard af

[undone pumice]

somehow the outlaw didnt have an instant evasion despite the feral perma hittinf his evade

[sharp meteor]

ya their little feral got kicked on clone

i said we should just kick clone as that stops WAY more than mend or regrowth

and the mends were legit healing the priest for like 8-11k

[mystic barn]

had like 4 discs games few days ago and everyone died in opener including 2 turbo teams

[elder wigeon]

man arms is so laughable in 2's lol

every arms i face I just rip in half not even close

[sharp meteor]

Right?

Sigh of relief to see something like Arms.

[lucid walrus]

bruh can parry half your reck but that's it

gl with the procs fam

[sharp meteor]

reck and conq in opener can last like 20-25+

choo choo

[wet scarab]

They haven’t announced an upgrade path for tier sets outside of raid yet, wonder if there is gonna be a PvP one

For s4

[lucid walrus]

reckon there has to be

then again i think we're regearing anyhow yeah? we're wearing cosmic szn gear rn and idk what the new season's called

would just be a kick in the nuts if that was only an option for raiders tho

[wet scarab]

I feel like they often forget pvp exists as a game mode

[elder wigeon]

https://app.squadov.gg/share/OverofficiouslyUnhatchableFreeman

[sharp meteor]

Oh, did that to a DH the other day

I'm like I think I just bolt his blur and he dies, then he did

[elder wigeon]

yeah much less common with dh's though can't really do that to them, they rarely die in stuns unless you're arms

but I'm not gonna play arms just to do well into dh lol

[noble lily]

Thinking about getting back into pvp, warrior any good? Which melee classes are nasty atm?

[elder wigeon]

arms in 3's is B tier, very niche, only really good with an enhance, fury being A tier, works decent with most comps, very strong with mage, rets, enhances and dk's

in 2's arms is C tier, fury is A tier in 2's

[noble lily]

Damn been awhile since I’ve seen fury in arena lol

[sharp meteor]

all three specs of rogue are pretty insane

[elder wigeon]

yeah all 3 being S tier is a first

outlaw is slept on way too much right now

[sharp meteor]

outlaw is SO STUPID

it's actually unreal

[steep inlet]

not in 3s

[mystic barn]

is fury actually considered only a tier

it feels like a top performer

[elder wigeon]

it doesn't make a comp work because it has a fury in it. not like last 2 seasons with arms

that's how S tier is

[sharp meteor]

you can build around fury

[mystic barn]

rogue doesn’t necessarily fit in every comp but it’s s

[elder wigeon]

like thug is insane right now, because of the rogue, not because hunters are just so unbelievable

[sharp meteor]

but it does that thing where it just dies/explodes

[sharp meteor]

uhhh it kind of can

[elder wigeon]

people are sleeping ridiculously hard on ret rogue with outlaw

[sharp meteor]

i have seen rogue with almost everything except warr

outlaw is going to start seeing more play soon tho

[noble lily]

How are ww monk and Dh?

[sharp meteor]

with a lot of stuff

[elder wigeon]

ww monk is niche, same with dh

it's not a melee meta

wizard cleaves are pretty dominant most specifically mage lock

[mystic barn]

and dn

[noble lily]

Shocker lol

[elder wigeon]

the thing keeping fury from S tier is how fragile it is

[noble lily]

Thx for the info guys, appreciate it

[elder wigeon]

jungle can kill me in the opener through soul rejuv overgrowth bark flourish

[mystic barn]

anyone can die in an opener rn

[elder wigeon]

my druid has to trinket the trap to spam regrowths

[sharp meteor]

Oh, yeah, I had a game the other day where I frenzied 100%, get chunked to half almost instantly, impending back up to 100%, then go down to 10% as my healer is coming out of cc and tops me.

[elder wigeon]

yea they can die if they don't press an immunity

[sharp meteor]

But then we ran the disc down over the next 20 seconds through all of his buttons

[elder wigeon]

fury warrior doesn't have any form of "immunity"

[sharp meteor]

You don't have a "stop" which is SCARY when damage is so high

[mystic barn]

if you don’t have an immunity you potentially just die through everything

[elder wigeon]

yeah

[mystic barn]

still have far too many games I pop 5 dcds and fall over

and I don’t even greed them

[sharp meteor]

You can get dr stunned on parry and get 100-0'd but Fury it's a constant danger

also fury can't be hammering ip

you just have to slam dam harder

can't flinch

[elder wigeon]

that's why i want frenzied regeneration reworked to just heal 50% max health over 8 seconds

[mystic barn]

Fury learning what it’s like to have dk survivability

[elder wigeon]

instead of having to spam bloodthirst, that way you don't just get disarmed and die

arms is worse than fury lmao

sad state it's in

[mystic barn]

melee kinda unlucky rn in general

Still wanna know how hard that guy got hurt to get a 150k death strike but then immediately die after still

maybe they were playing blood idk

[elder wigeon]

i mean really it all boils down to:

1. damage doubled this patch with tier set, trinket bonus and increased ilvl
2. D stance nerfed by 10% and versatility nerfed via trinket and tier set
3. wizards getting buffed
4. Echoing Resolve

[sharp meteor]

tilted they didn't even make dstance 10/10

[elder wigeon]

lololol

[sharp meteor]

it's just like a useless button now because u fall so hard behind if u press it for more than a few seconds

[elder wigeon]

i don't even think about it anymore man

[sharp meteor]

yeah i just slam harder

[mystic barn]

is the first 10 dmg or defend

[sharp meteor]

feign that you're scarier than you are

maybe they don't know

[elder wigeon]

20% outgoing damage reduced, 10% damage incoming reduced

[mystic barn]

should be 30/10

[sharp meteor]

oh well alt warr is bis fury, main and second alt will be bis in 2 weeks

[elder wigeon]

lmao

[sharp meteor]

arms feels okay in turbo so i'll probably stil play it a bit but fury just seems so good into wizards/jungle

and it's feeling better into rm with some practice

root break is great

[mystic barn]

I noticed omni tracks the random reck procs and counts it as the real one

So I never know when it’s coming

[sharp meteor]

wall is usable in stuns

[elder wigeon]

if they're crushing blow, it's every 90 seconds, if they're anger management, then it's roughly every minute

[mystic barn]

yea

Just that Omni no longer tracks it correctly

from tier

[sharp meteor]

good

[elder wigeon]

lmao

[sharp meteor]

most people give so few fucks with addons

pull up some r1 stream and their gladius isn't even locked

SEND IT

[mystic barn]

fury was dueling my ghoul and he popped reck

And it’s like

Whyyy

did u see that they’re bringing back dk ghoul cheat death in 9.2.5

[elder wigeon]

huh?

[sharp meteor]

beg pardon

[spice hornet]

like the thing where you rez your dead partner?

or that huddle ability or w/e

[past jolt]

Fury seems good into wizards? With what? I think it’s better than arms but destro locks can get really annoying with deathborne mage

[sharp meteor]

Damage doesn't stop, spear goes aren't scuffed, often no ms to reduce healing, wall usable while stunned, root break, etc

I think Arms better into cleaves/rm, maybe, but Fury feels good into everything else.

And Arms feels reliant on Enh aka second healer

Arms just takes too much dmg to the face vs wizards, forced to unironically run between spear/wb and it feels awful

[sage raptor]

I am confusion

[near delta]

Hi confusion, I'm dad.

[rustic geyser]

guys

im in a group with a destro lock, im fury btw

what healer would be ideal

[raw summit]

Doesnt really matter

Get whoever queues up

But holy priest is prolly best

[rustic geyser]

where do u guys find healers

this is insane

[sharp meteor]

Healers can pick who they play with which is usually regular partners

Who they often met through LFG and just kind of clicked with in one way or another

[rustic geyser]

bro

fuck them healers

[raw summit]

If u think like that

They dont come

[upbeat sapphire]

My raid main is Mistweaver and I gotta say healing arena is not easy, and often not fun. I’ll yolo RBG heal, but for arena id rather be on my mage and not fighting an uphill battle to make MW work

[raw summit]

My friend is playing mw in arena rn.. It's uh

Kicked and deleted

[rustic geyser]

🥲

[frank knoll]

Anyone play reckless defense

[undone pumice]

have messedw ith it

not worth

basically u trade consistant pressure from DM, burst from signet or durability from sephuz for

80% chance per rampage to get 1 second cdr on regen and reck

[frank knoll]

Okay, I’ve been playing signet all expansion on this warrior

Wanted to try something new, was looking at it and it looked like I could get like perma recklessness with AM+set bonus plus like short CD on enraged regen

But fury win condition is to pop banner/spear and delete someone. This wouldn’t help with that I don’t think. May just do deathmaker instead

[frank knoll]

I saw a guy take like 1000 games to get 1800 on his MW, I bet he earned every win lol

[sharp meteor]

might b cool into cleave matchups possibly

like jungle with 2 pets on you plus feral

otherwise meh

dm high throughput and signet is signet

sephuz might also be okay into certain stuff

[frank knoll]

I’m still playing Venthyr for some reason too

[sharp meteor]

eh

[frank knoll]

Necro is obv way better

Or Kyrian cause you get EM

[sand shadow]

Reckless Defense felt like utter poop for me; was first leggo I crafted this patch

then again, I hard dislike Signet too, so yeah

[undone pumice]

signet is superior option vs cleaves

[upbeat sapphire]

I mean I think I parked at 1300 a couple weeks ago so it’s not impossible with the right dps carrying the load. Need someone to make up for MW cc being 1m cd incap and stun. Not great pair w war because neither have great arena cc.

It’s fun when they think they have you and you 10->100 your teammate or yourself in 2s. But if you get stunlocked by rogues or cycloned or hexed by the other healer then you’re pooched

[sharp meteor]

yep although i only crafted shitcan ilev one to test on dummies, even there it felt underwhelming

figured MAYBE into matchups where u can spam aoe rampages it might be POTENTIALLY okay

[near delta]

I've noticed Clapperr has been running reck defense lately

But it doesn't seem like it could be that good at 20% for one second

[past jolt]

No fury win condition is to simply do as much dmg as possible on a single target with his mate

You’re over complicating shit

The team has cds to counter your cds, fury has a lot consistient dmg for a single target buddy

[frank knoll]

Yeah I watched Blizzo do that in AWC just PVEd whatever target

[undone pumice]

ware is the target dummy class

[Raider's Tanking Dummy]

[frank knoll]

I mean coming from playing the extremely high IQ spec of survival hunter, the hardest part about playing fury again is dumbing myself down to the level required

[near delta]

[undone pumice]

bro

are u calling me low iq

[frank knoll]

I’m just saying not everyone has the intellectual capacity to play SV hunter in a comp like jungle.

[undone pumice]

are u

calling me low iq

[near delta]

[sharp meteor]

dang u just got called dumb by a guy called lunk lmao

[near delta]

Lmfao

[undone pumice]

hes not wrong

[frank knoll]

Jungle and RMP require MENSA membership bare minimum

[near delta]

Mhmmm

[sharp meteor]

yeah I play warr with double healer because I'm dumb and angry

[frank knoll]

Also fun fact

[undone pumice]

i play warr with another dps in 2s because i hate myself

(not enha)

[frank knoll]

RMP set ups were formulated and designed at Harvard

[sharp meteor]

🐱 ?

[undone pumice]

first person to sign up

gets invited

[sharp meteor]

wow u pushin the knife in deep

[undone pumice]

(this has been several demon hunters and warriors

[sharp meteor]

wishin they couldn't reliably cross three people off dr

[undone pumice]

still climbing cuz i just understood recently