oh yea
#pvp
undone pumice
nimble jasper
to leap out of spites
undone pumice
stun charge from vanill and tbc
nimble jasper
so no orc racial
undone pumice
funny
elder wigeon
intercept is different
elder wigeon
I like intercept though
nimble jasper
undone pumice
wtf is an intercept.i only.know intervene
elder wigeon
in combat charge that stuns for 3 seconds
nimble jasper
resolve 35%
raw summit
cuz classic charge
elder wigeon
in vanilla and tbc you could only charge out of combat
raw summit
was only out of combat
sharp meteor
wtf is an intercept.i only.know intervene
berserker stance charge basically that u could use in combat
nimble jasper
warlocks no longer allowed to play orc
raw summit
ye
undone pumice
ik
nimble jasper
there i fixed it
elder wigeon
that was changed in wrath
sharp meteor
charge used to not be usable in combat until u got talent which didn't exist for a while
elder wigeon
nerf orc and all of the sudden resolve isn't playable
undone pumice
i have been made to play tbcc
raw summit
warlocks no longer allowed to play orc
literally delete hardiness and offer free change to all orcs
undone pumice
and its cringe to not be able to charge in combat
im so used tocharge weaving in pve
elder wigeon
hardiness should reduce crit damage taken by 5% and damage while taken in a stun by 5%
spice hornet
@last geodeuin 
raw summit
nimble jasper
resolve is unironically
nimble jasper
a more cancerous trinket than spite
undone pumice
who
raw summit
resolve is the least fun ive had in sl
nimble jasper
spite was bfa s4 meme trinket
raw summit
but small sample so oh well
nimble jasper
that increased the corruption levels of anyone standing in it
undone pumice
everytime i play vs a resolve trinket
spice hornet
Another trinket warrior couldn’t abuse
undone pumice
i do 5 pushups
mystic barn
anyone else hope that kyrian spear is in dragon flight
spice hornet
They designed all these trinkets for rogue mage
mystic barn
it’s my favorite covenant ability
nimble jasper
it was
spice hornet
I’ll be in dragonfkight
spice hornet
nimble jasper
wwdk trinket
idk it was funny
killing monkey locks in opener
with spites
bomb his gate so he cant take
rofl
undone pumice
corruptions wrre funny overall
u sae some top pvpers
their corruption eye was
half the fucking arena
undone pumice
XD
undone pumice
i aleays got flamed by my friends when my gtfo addon earraped the entire house when i was in corruption eye
raw summit
im so proud i got this mf to install weakauras
u gotta admit mes weakaura is cheating, right?
nimble jasper
didnt mud say he considered not playing wb sometimes
cuz some players are ass and wont respond until they have an airhorn blaring warbreaker
raw summit
ye
nimble jasper
in their ears
undone pumice
most usefuk ive found it sith is warlock ruin, and priest not dead leggo
raw summit
priest not dead one 
nimble jasper
the best is watching a priest rez at 1%
raw summit
if they get 10 stack
raw summit
u eat extra bolt
nimble jasper
then just spam cc’ing him for 20 secs
raw summit
insta
nimble jasper
as bm
undone pumice
yea this is the eay
undone pumice
let funny.magical warrior do his stuff
8 go bandage behind pillar
bandages are acc broken
11k heal when pillaring
so heal doesnt have to waste mana
raw summit
simple rock
spice hornet
the best is watching a priest rez at 1%
Rez at 1%, into an insta gfade, serenity top him to 50%+
shy yoke
Best strat against Desto/healer in 2's as fury?
sharp meteor
There's a delay before infernal lands so you can bladestorm it
they also generally havoc healer then coil you so you also have a global to bs that
or reflect
lilac reef
what's our prio for purchasing gear with conquest?
sharp meteor
Weapon then whatever you want, probably in ilev order.
like replace super shitty boots before your okay chest etc
spice hornet
Is it just me or does arms really not feel good without a chain harvest man by your side
indigo barn
fiery epoch
I'm resurrecting my warr... what is biggest burst right now? Kyrian fury?
fiery epoch
Ty
near delta
Is it just me or does arms really not feel good without a chain harvest man by y...
Arms is so vulnerable it needs two healers
sharp meteor
Is it just me or does arms really not feel good without a chain harvest man by y...
It just takes so much damage, man.
flat tide
Is shoulders a good tierpiece slot?
sharp meteor
I think it's omit chest for arms, legs for fury.
shoulders/helm good for both and probably all three specs
elder wigeon
arms: helm, shoulders, legs and gaunts. Fury: Helm, shoulders, chest and gaunts.
crit is very valuable as arms, and mastery is very valuable for fury
flat tide
Is there a macro to make the same button cast Bladestorm and also cancel it?
sharp meteor
You do not want cancel bs in bs imo
bind /cancelaura bladestorm into other stuff, from intervene to stormbolt or charge
elder wigeon
I have cancelaura bladestorm in a lot of things
sharp meteor
Yeah, I have it in most things.
Bolt, kick, intervene, charge, leap, etc. Basically anything I can't use while in storm.
near delta
You do not want cancel bs in bs imo
My damage got sooo much higher when I realized fury bladestorm pumps
sharp meteor
It's great during cds especially as fury
like as arms sometimes u wanna chill in there
desyncs disarm and stuff super nicely
elder wigeon
pro tip, always make sure you're enraged when you bladestorm
sharp meteor
Yep that's big
nimble jasper
@sharp meteor
my friend trying to cap
guess hes banned from playing low mmr and shoulda done it early season
nimble jasper
nah
hes trying to cap main
so i guess people mald when they see a full elite geared fury pull up at 1600 mmr
spice hornet
<@129440991294783488>
I love whispers like this
mystic barn
it’s always rdruid playing mlx getting angry with me
but rogues ask me for genuine advice
feel weird
wet scarab
I keep wanting to flame cheese teams but they're all horde so can't whisper them
sharp meteor
psure my shaman verbally abuses every destro we queue into
wet scarab
my disc priest gets a lot of angry tells because he has a habit of emoting soothe and clap and things like that in-game
types them out too, no macros
sharp meteor
ya my sham spams /cringe at everybody lmao
wet scarab
man im simultaneously happy the priest abandoned the shadow fantasy after getting 4pc and sad that he refuses to abuse holy
disc4life
some specs are just hardcore masochists
undone pumice
rmp triple /cringe cheap db poly chastise out of stealth
sharp meteor
disc seems reasonable rn it's just holy is kind of over the top
wet scarab
kekw
sharp meteor
see, my healers always win on mana
i ask them why and they're like
i don't use inefficient heal
if u die u die
wet scarab
we're actually playing a really fun comp, fury demo lock disc priest
shit just randomly dies
sharp meteor
that's different
wet scarab
yeah the lock refuses to play destro
the priest refuses to play holy
but often you roll in there and a melee player dies in the first 10 seconds
sharp meteor
yer
sharp meteor
yeah play the c tier spec known as arms
wet scarab
man I keep trying arms and just
undone pumice
arms d tier unplayable
sharp meteor
i tried necro fury with 4pc and now it's hard to play the other specs hmm
end games at 12k dps after killing people through all their cds
undone pumice
sounds like ur playing assass not fury
sharp meteor
queuing into dks as fury feels so good
wet scarab
monk for some reason tried to run away
undone pumice
dks do just die to warriors tho dont they
wet scarab
it's a race
lucid walrus
my disc priest gets a lot of angry tells because he has a habit of emoting sooth...
that's only a hard game thing for me
undone pumice
u sacrifice all ur own stuff to have insane group stuff
vital talon
the year is 2022. my prophecies of necro fury being top tier have unfolded, and come true.
i have manifested my tulpa's power.
undone pumice
the year is 2022. my prophecies of necro fury being top tier have unfolded, and ...
wrong we must bow to our caster overlords
Melee are so mad because casters are finally viable in this game it’s pathetic. Warlock and mage haven’t been viable all expansion now they have this trinket and everyone wants to cry
sharp meteor
the year is 2022. my prophecies of necro fury being top tier have unfolded, and ...
my sham was rly upset with me trying it i think because we've spent the past year killing people in spears
but adjusting now and it feels super nice
wet scarab
queued a few 2s games as arms earlier and just nothing died in hpriest games
when I had uptime
undone pumice
it seems like fury just better in tsg
frost tsg
cuz u both can just go absolutely ham
wet scarab
dk/warr 3s was fun as kyrian but I also did like half the dk's damage till I switched to fury
undone pumice
yea i think after switching from arms to fury and from uh to frost we found good way to play for us
ook ook bonking comp
elder wigeon
arms dmg in pvp is piss compared to fury, doesn't even make much sense
undone pumice
tge only reaaon u would play arms now
elder wigeon
No, turbo
sharp meteor
feels okay in turbo still but otherwise ehhhh
undone pumice
is to press execute more than fury
elder wigeon
arms is arguably better in turbo
sharp meteor
even turbo i am liking fury a lot although it feels awk into rm and some cleaves feel bad but they already did
like retwarr is just aaaaa
elder wigeon
fury is hella awkward into rm
undone pumice
still dunno how to fight RM
sharp meteor
u watch ur drs
undone pumice
there just so much happening
sharp meteor
or can intervene as drs up and u see chatise on healer or mage dbs for sheep as that can scuff rogues cheap then u disarm off etc
can line bust if ur stunned which u will be 99% of the time
undone pumice
what do u use to track ur teams drs
sharp meteor
diminish
undone pumice
i dont have xd
sharp meteor
record a few games vs rm and u will see how they setup although lower ones are kind of scuffed the ideas are the same
undone pumice
they do 321 in discord
sharp meteor
they basically run around staying safe until ur off dr then send their stuff together
undone pumice
and triple stun burst u
sharp meteor
yeah but until high glad most of them fuck it up
sharp meteor
there's often a gap somewhere
undone pumice
when the entire strat is around the enemy messing up
sharp meteor
that u can intervene banner pummel etc
undone pumice
fury no banner sadge
sharp meteor
i mean it's bullshit but low-mid mmr rms don't have hands
although sometiems it doesn't matter and u randomly get gibbed to no cds
undone pumice
mage randomly crits a fireball or smth
mystic barn
queuing into dks as fury feels so good
wrong
undone pumice
then instant casts a pyroblast and melts 20% of my hp
sharp meteor
they just implode
wet scarab
Demo fury actually feels good into mlx because demo melts frost mages for some reason
sharp meteor
then instant casts a pyroblast and melts 20% of my hp
dmg outside bust from most mages isn't very high
undone pumice
we play with pala tho so sometimes mages are in a silly goofy mood and steal our fucking melee bubble
sharp meteor
honestly hpriest does the most dmg outside major cds
although ER from rogue can randomly 25k x2 evisc you
undone pumice
xd
cov abilities that just cast random shit
like toll or convoke
are so cringw
sharp meteor
toll and voke are fine
sharp meteor
if u see no necrolord buffs and he uses seraphim ya be care
like no flesh and no 120 mastery buff
wet scarab
Most Kyrian palas now are pve andys
mystic barn
ya they pved my lock alright
warped warren
dmg outside bust from most mages isn't very high
because most mages arw dogshit
nimble jasper
who don't function without a pet rogue
also why i said
hardest part about getting first glad as rogue
is just finding a competent mage
sharp meteor
idk rogue can kind of prop mage up
undone pumice
u prop eachother up kinda ig
sharp meteor
arms/mage or something and it's very noticeable if the mage doesn't play with anything other than rogue
kind of like when a healer goes from healing wizards to melee cleaves and just can't function
sharp meteor
or destro/mage player tries to play destro/ww or something
nimble jasper
well with sub the rogue props the mage up more kinda
the worst was assa meta
cuz you only have 1 kidney for kill target
undone pumice
"was"
nimble jasper
psure sub rmp is still better
undone pumice
assa is still meta
undone pumice
overall assa is still meta is what i mean
nimble jasper
yeah
undone pumice
sepsis still goes nuclear
undone pumice
devs went mobki
and said
oh well sub is overpwrfoeming on zul while being shit everywhere else
nerf sub
giga nerf sub
and pvp sub just got gibbed by collateral dmg
undone pumice
zug zug
nimble jasper
me no sit 7 sec kidney
nimble jasper
prob less 1min blinds in 2s
since people realizing
that blunderbuss might be better
than cdr
undone pumice
outlaw supremacy finally
no more ninja bacjstepoing trickshot orb walk optimal sin or sub rogues in 2s
much rather get shot
than stabbed
undone pumice
yeah but less sub/hpriest
nimble jasper
outlaw prob best in 2s cuz of how infested the bracket is with hunters
undone pumice
ive seen very little rm in 2s at my rating
but im pisslow what do i know
mostly see mm hunters and dhs
nimble jasper
bugfixes would buff outlaw
more than actual aura buffs
4p bte procs literally consuming your kyrian pts
and making you lose out on cdr is funny
fickle forge
outlaw supremacy finally
Cause immortal pirate is more fun 😎 👍
undone pumice
ye
undone pumice
Cause immortal pirate is more fun 😎 👍
pirates are cool
steep inlet
Nah fire is Killable now
spice hornet
alters and soulshapes around a pillar
Fire will only be killable when DB, alter are nerfed in some way and their toxic conduits are gone
fickle forge
Nah fire is Killable now
After hotfixes probably
steep inlet
y
fickle forge
But that's tomorrow 👀
dark sparrow
what hotfix did fire/mage get?
elder wigeon
25% nerf to blazing barrier
they're still insanely hard to kill but are technically more killable
dark sparrow
ah okay that's something at least, coz outlul is immortal now and hpriest is hpriest
undone pumice
I also like to go against pirate RMP and realise there's no ideal kill target
just go rogue broo, just kill the 100k hp weirdo
warped warren
mages die now with the nerf, for sure
elder wigeon
you think so?
elder wigeon
warped warren
tomorrow is the day for sure 
elder wigeon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/897160788664520704/970966751573594112/unknown.png i hit the most devious lick on this boomie tho
warped warren
hm
dark sparrow
that is even before the 4% buff? goddamn arms OP
undone pumice
burst spec do burst dmg wtf
elder wigeon
https://app.squadov.gg/share/OverfraillySemipetrifiedCharmaine here's the clip
quaint snow
but why are they buffing affliction locks LOL
elder wigeon
unironically their dps sucks in pve
warped warren
single target yeah maybe
quaint snow
ah yeh true, i forgot that pve is all what blizz care about
warped warren
multitarget its good
quaint snow
shut up pvp guy
warped warren
elder wigeon
5k*
warped warren
😂
quaint snow
i dunno about you but im getting owned hard by affliction already…..
yeh im trash, but still
warped warren
sounds like u issue
elder wigeon
aff lock = healer check
quaint snow
100k hp raid boss
elder wigeon
aside from avoid stacking for soul rot, there's not really much to be done about them, their rot pressure is high but they have no burst outside a double or triple soul rot drain life
if you can avoid getting double or triple soul rotted, your healer can dispel the soul rot and line the lock
otherwise your healer just needs to be nuts with the pve heals
quaint snow
thanks
fickle forge
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/897160788664520704/970966751573594112/unk...
That's a guardian druid you memester
elder wigeon
should've been in bear form to eat that 40k ms bro
elder wigeon
LOL
tru
nah I've been hitting 30k's in arena
max ilvl with cosmic badge
30k is not hard
warped warren
mhm
elder wigeon
I hit nearly a 40k charge though on a guardian druid iirc
mental pagoda
is fury or arms better for arena?
undone pumice
is fury or arms better for arena?
fury is ez and good
arms requires multi digit braibcells
elder wigeon
idk what your point is
mental pagoda
ty u
elder wigeon
TL;DR both are good, fury has more comps that're viable, not to say arms isn't viable, it just struggles defensively in this meta, fury is more susceptible to getting one shot by melee cleaves though.
arms turbo cleave is a top comp and you should still see a good amount of success playing ret warrior, although ret doesn't quite offer arms enough support and has its own struggles against wizards in this season
fury is generally more common with ret war
undone pumice
yea
arms requires more braincells
as shown by this paragraph
fury is ungabunga make deathmaker go SLAP
elder wigeon
I've been a signet gamer for a while
elder wigeon
death maker isn't exactly earth shattering either
feels much more passive than enduring blow
undone pumice
this man guiding people to cr while he himself gains LP
elder wigeon
even though it's of a similar category
undone pumice
what a chad
enduring and death maker are the exact same legendary
30% dmg buff on your most important ability
elfin surge
nerf rogue
undone pumice
true
elder wigeon
30% chance for a 15% dam increase vs 25% for 35% and directly interacts with tier set
undone pumice
git gud
elder wigeon
q up for ranked rift bro
raw summit
Did yall see
undone pumice
or gangplank chadder
elder wigeon
naut, mao, thresh or morgana
undone pumice
🟠
elder wigeon
morgana just makes people seethe and i love it
undone pumice
morgana root
countered by smelly pirate eating citrus fruit
cant morgana get an uniornic 10 second uninterrupted cc chain with everfrost + cdr boots
elder wigeon
idk
elder wigeon
not that big of a lol player
elfin surge
that does nothing
knotty tangle
Reroll surv to kill outlaw
feral timber
we really are the best class in the game. absolute gigachads
https://www.twitch.tv/jabeebus/clip/ObedientSillyMochaAMPEnergyCherry-gEgf68n7om8cj-mz
warped warren
Play with Hpala 😎 👍
he didnt want an autolose in preproom scenario
warped warren
we really are the best class in the game. absolute gigachads
https://www.twitch....
ok 1200 mmr gaming
feral timber
felt like it
still glade
hey guys, how do you gear yourself from 223 (ZM) to a decent ilevel? cuz i just get raped with 240 in arenas 60k HP while ppl have 80-90
tribal wedge
zereth mortis stuff + farm conquest point (rbg/pvp quest/bg etc)
it's long, but doable
still glade
farm bgs and try to get any turbo low mmr 2s 3s in
turbo is war+dk? war+enhance? i'm noob xD
so preferably i would go with another dps in 2s?
undone pumice
he means
really low mmr 2s or 3s
not specific comp
but
turbo is warr + enha
tsg is warr + dk
still glade
oh thanks
at LOW mmr, 2s is harder than 3s?
i think i want to push 1600 for now
from 0
what partners i should go for?
still glade
i need conquest. but now i got me wondering
how much ilevel you get from max honor gear
(7/7 i guess?)
still glade
hmmmm 252 is a gooood ammount
fuck the PVE, i'm staying pvp then
i was trying to go for M+ and stuff
undone pumice
m+ has some NICE pvp items
undone pumice
NW
still glade
the easiest one?
still glade
no idea
undone pumice
prob worth if u have a key laying around
warped warren
10 is like 250
undone pumice
+15 isnt that hard
still glade
i'm 240 ilevel still xD
undone pumice
are u eu
still glade
NA 😦
undone pumice
unlucky
still glade
human warrior, i'm part of minority
undone pumice
spawn point diff
undone pumice
we could run some m+ together if u want
still glade
why you're not a golduck? you're awesome man!
still glade
u can put socket ina gear?
still glade
cool
undone pumice
wet scarab
15s are trivial with double leggos and 4pc but you'd find it difficult to get in at your ilvl and with no io score, if you just want the sockets you can run your own low level keys or if you want max level slots then you can buy them if you have the cash
wet scarab
if you have guild mates who can boost you to the point where you have 15 keys you can run your own and high level people will join to do their weekly slots and stuff, sometimes you get entire 4-man guild groups joining which is ez mode
still glade
necro has more dmg
more dmg why? how? i can change pacts
undone pumice
are u fury or arms
still glade
if you have guild mates who can boost you to the point where you have 15 keys yo...
i don't think my guild is at that point xD but i'll try get carried at least once for vault
Fury tough
undone pumice
necro banner has a huge str buff
mastery buff for fury is also good
buffs neaeby mates as well
and speedboost
wet scarab
one 15 will give you 278 gear and a 14 key the following week and you can run that. It's also trivial to get up to 252 ilvl with a mix of crafted, world quest, boe and low mythic loot
wet scarab
2nd go? you should be dying in 3rd go
mighty fractal
Yeah 2nd time sepsis is up I get 1 shot bc no trinket
wet scarab
where's your healer's trinket?
mighty fractal
Usually used in a blind pre 2nd go
wet scarab
he can't heal you through it?
wet scarab
you should be able to cycle trinkets and survive the first 2 goes but the rogue should be dead before the 3rd otherwise it's gg
sometimes they just kill you though, might want to try disarm or banner before the go
mighty fractal
Idk maybe I'm getting mind controlled too much when I'm smacking rogue
wet scarab
I usually end up going priest and switching to rogue as fury
especially against aggro MC priests
dont know if it's the right strat necessarily but definitely relieves some priest damage pressure
also because they piss me off
hard for you to kill priest partners with consistent dps because of how many oh shit lay on hands heals they have
still glade
one 15 will give you 278 gear and a 14 key the following week and you can run th...
ok, so i must do a little bit of everthing and go uprading my gear
when i reach a decent point i can focus on grinding arena rank
wet scarab
keep in mind this week you will have 4 charges in the creation catalyst, so you can keep grinding conquest till you have enough to buy 4 conquest pieces in tier slots and convert them all to tier pieces
so you can have the set bonus very quickly
that's helm, shoulders, chest, gloves and legs
still glade
i have 2 pieces (gloves and pants)
domination pieces
conquest pieces
i'll let the helm for the lego
helm or ring?
helm i saw for pve but not sure about pvp
still glade
ROFL
i'll put the legendary in boots?
is the signet of tormented kings for PVP Too?
sand shadow
How tf do you counter ass rogues
follow the script; no trinketing unless Vendetta. If you have troubles inbetween where you HAVE to trinket to live, then you need to adapt and think about how you can live these "fake" goes without trinketing. At the end of the day, you ARE at a disadvantage
The fact is, the majory of hp/assa players have completely forgotten how that comp is to be played vs warriors. The meta was already established in BFA
wet scarab
helm and shoulders tier both have haste vers so I'd use those
sand shadow
As soon as they remember that bit, where a KS ending means an uninterruptable MC at the end of the stun, you simply lose
only playing w/ rsham/hp has any chance of disrupting that, and even then it comes at a significant cost (it being a global spent deflecting instead of healing back)
mighty fractal
follow the script; no trinketing unless Vendetta. If you have troubles inbetween...
True I need a vendetta WA that's what Im missing
sharp meteor
It'll be on weird short cd now due to duskwalker's and/or nf priest
so every minute u just get sepsis detta'd and lose all your hhealth in half a second
mighty fractal
I still see mostly venth priests
sand shadow
precisely, which is why I said you're at a disadvantage
sharp meteor
it's one of those "boy i sure do hope they don't have hands" matchups
mighty fractal
Lol
sharp meteor
aka why 2s is dumb bad and cringe
mighty fractal
Appreciate the input fellas
sand shadow
baseline, if both teams are equally as good, if we had a way of simulating that, you'd see ass/hp win most every game
mighty fractal
Came sooo close to duelist last night just getting tilted playing rogues
sharp meteor
the trick with 2s is to b chill and know taht u lose unless enemy team ints super hard
and be happy when they do
mighty fractal
Honestly everything else is winnable except rogue / anything else
sand shadow
that's the thing with warriors, SO much depends on how your ENEMY plays, and not how YOU play
in 2s particularly
still glade
helm and shoulders tier both have haste vers so I'd use those
so i use my legenday in rings xD
mighty fractal
that's the thing with warriors, SO much depends on how your ENEMY plays, and not...
Agree and disagree
If you zug zug hard enough you get them soooo scared and pop all defensives immediately
Then you just cc healer and gg
sand shadow
I mean, you can always do "plays". But most of these plays are usually reactive and/or a question of chance
sand shadow
If you zug zug hard enough you get them soooo scared and pop all defensives imme...
Sure, at low MMR that IS true. What about when you meet people at high MMR that have the experience and do not panic?
and trade sufficiently, but do not go overboard?
raw summit
We are at the mercy of them
sand shadow
the reality is, if they're as good as you, you're at the their mercy
raw summit
If theyre as good as me they will overreact
mighty fractal
Lol
sharp meteor
If you zug zug hard enough you get them soooo scared and pop all defensives imme...
so the higher you go the more people know what other comps are capable of
and you can't ooga booga brute force people through their buttons
because they know that you when u x they just use y
sand shadow
sure, you can pre-Disarm KS so it lands exactly as you get stunned and then they're disarmed and can't capitalize. Or you use your 1min BS to counter a 20s KS and it lands right as you storm, etc
sharp meteor
SOMETIMES u can swing things
sand shadow
but it's just not reliable since you don't have perfect information
sand shadow
you're mostly reacting out of experience, not hard data
it works some of the time, but mostly it doesn't, because the guy had another objective with his next global than you thought he did
sharp meteor
although i guess in the case of rm delaying a go by 10 seconds can be enough
it's just they have a consistent/reliable scary setup every x seconds and you have limited responses and yours can't be counted on
tedious
sand shadow
and all of this is about hp/assa having forgotten how to play that comp into warrior, which they had figured out in BFA: the second KS ends, an MC should be on, as much as possible
once they remember that... we fucked.
specifically since only 2 healers, one of which rarely seen at high MMR, can do anything about it
besides, even if you have a healer w/ purge or kick, that global goes into stopping, not recovering, which is already problematic by itself
near delta
The absolute worse is the rdruid/surv teams that cc you out of the game.
left wyvern
Anyone else read OldDonkey in Sam Neil’s voice? So much wisdom!
near delta
Freezing trap, into vortex into clone, into steel trap into tar trap oh you connected for a second thorns into clone onto freezing trap just wanna die
mystic barn
into dn
raw summit
Steel trap makes me sad
sand shadow
you counter steel trap as Fury in 2s tho
you simply have to be very disciplined
BR is shorter CD, so you have 100% cover for it
sand shadow
yeah, that can be rough, but yo udo have an answer for that too, even though that answer goes back to what I originally said: you're at their mercy
you can reflect it, and sometimes reflecting it is actually terrible for you
plus storm
plus the fact that these traps are usually handed out in melee range as to limit your reaction time to them, which means you're pumping
near delta
BR is shorter CD, so you have 100% cover for it
Yeah definitely just the spam cc gets annotating
*annoying
raw summit
plus the fact that these traps are usually handed out in melee range as to limit...
Surv hunter traps are so brutal
near delta
I can almost always kill the hunter now
sand shadow
you're absolutely disadvantaged, yeah, not arguing about that
sand shadow
but you could also play BR/RA/DTime/Warbringer to try and exact vengeance
near delta
Yup that's the formula
sand shadow
altho DTime/Warbringer, while feeling REAL GOOD, are actually just a trade
raw summit
BM is the harder matchup
Yea BM is fucking miserable as fury
sand shadow
since you could be running bolt/warbringer and have a wider array of answers
near delta
Yea BM is fucking miserable as fury
Double their damage but lose on 2nd trap
sand shadow
I played my BM to 2.4k btw a few weeks ago, you guys should defo try to line more at disadvantageous moments in the game
they do nothing if you LoS them
trust me
its miserable
near delta
since you could be running bolt/warbringer and have a wider array of answers
Yeah I just really like to punish their kiting
sand shadow
and many will make my mistake of coming near because they feel obligated to do damage
which I realized after some gaming is a bad, bad, bad idea
near delta
I've been trying that lately and it helps a ton
wet scarab
honestly haven't had much trouble with druid hunter teams in 2s after going fury with 4pc, BM is a bit harder because of the ridiculous amount of damage but double time warbringer is super effective
sand shadow
that's a big issue for warriors @raw summit
we're so used to always.having.to.hit.something at this point
to win games
but sometimes it makes sense to sit a pilalr and wait for your charge/leap
bonus points if your reck is on CD and that cooldown is rolling meanwhile too
raw summit
Zug zug mentality is ruining me
sand shadow
since RA reck is super effective vs them
btw, esp after their stun/trap, you have nearly 1min of going ape, don't sleep on this
because BM in 2s w/ say an rdudud, is terrible at filling the trap quota
outside of his stun
that 2nd 30sec slice is hell for BM
if he really wants to land that trap, it does come at the cost of eating damage
thats how I felt playing BM in 2s at least
raw summit
Good widsom
sand shadow
keep in mind if BM is w/ hpriest, hpriest is kinda forced into chastice stun, too, so 1min fear
since normal chastice DR's traps
just sharing what I found playing BM
raw summit
just sharing what I found playing BM
Cant wait for the rogue one
raw summit
Yep
raw summit
Right
raw summit
sand shadow
its BATSHIT CRAZY
10 abilities, of all categories
defensive, utlity, damage
control
raw summit
Btw would you rather get into the nuances of 2s matchups or play 3s till you get an overview over the chaos
sand shadow
not even trolling, if you play the pvp talent, it's 10 diff abilities
in arena, I can feint again before my feint buff is over, and it's dirt cheap energy wise (energy is actually a limiting factor for outlul)
that's a cheap, spammable, 30% wall
raw summit
Cuz i felt like after idk 90/100 2s it stopped feeling hectic so maybe i need those 100 for 3s too
Outlul is obsurd
sand shadow
and if you get the lucky roll, True Bearing I think it's called (looks like a yellow compass icon)
any CP they spent reduces the CD on these 10 abilities by 2, instead of 1, seconds
so since they all run Stratagem, every full CP finisher is 12s of CDR on 10 abilities
raw summit
All 10 or split between
sand shadow
which reminds me, if you see an Outlul Evasion, esp if you play on an alt w/ pets, stop ALL attacks
every dodge during Evasion further reduces the CD of Evasion itself
raw summit
Some of the condits they added are so unbelievably strong
And then there's stuff like the vr conduit
Thats kinda just there
sand shadow
all im saying is I see Fury warrs on stream NOT stop AA during Evasion for sometimes up to 3s
w/ the extreme amounts of haste we play atm
that can mean up to like 4 or something auto attacks dodged
so insta stop attacking
not that it makes a huge diff I guess, they still have Evasion too often for you to murder them most of the time anyway
sand shadow
oh yeah, all you know for sure is KS and Blind
everything else is wrong
cloak, vanish, feint, BF, AR, Evasion, etc etc etc etc etc, all CDR'd
raw summit
is kick cdr`d
sand shadow
no
unless they play the vanish leggo
in which case, yes
the 20s CDR on all abilities if you Vanish Leggo, Whaazz plays it
which is how he can do 2xKS
raw summit
but its not common, right?
sand shadow
I don't believe so, no
mostly the greenskin/blunderbuss ones
the first of which I have and is bugged xd
which has lead most of them to transition to the bludnerbuss one
btw, I think it's very advantageous vs outlaw to track Echoing Reprimand
it's static CD
and that shit's AoE radius is enormous if they run Mikanikos (whcih most do)
so if they have it and blind your healer, as they're wont to do, you can sit your healer
raw summit
it empowers their points
sand shadow
no sap, no gouge
no chastise
mb even breaks fear
yea but its an AoE attack
w/ a HUGE radius as I have come to realize
like 15yds
raw summit
so intervening over when it seems like theyll go is good
earnest wharf
if yall are doing 2s with hpriest, would you tend to go impending talent over storm bolt cuz ur CC's DR anyway and it gives you huge survival benefit?
sand shadow
no, go bolt, have your hp learn to deal w/ the dmg
unless its sth like UHDK
that is my personal opinion tho
they don't DR, your hpri should mostly play normal chastice/30s fear
having dbl CC roughly every 30s changes the game a fuck lot
w/ IV you live a bit longer, but your pressure is far, far lower, and you need momentum in my experience to swing games
but that's just me
if not bolt, consider at least DT + Warbringer imo
bolt is just so versatile imo... it can be a defensive, a CC denial, an offensive button etc
the above is based on my exp essentially boosting an IRL friend hpriest to 2.4k (and he doesn't belong there) in 2v2
sharp meteor
bolt has that thing where u can avoid more dmg than u could heal with impending although only sometimes
also lets u get more damage out during ur cds
sand shadow
precisely
sharp meteor
so like overall if it's used properly it can be higher dps/hps
sand shadow
a good bolt can be so much damage deferred/avoided
sharp meteor
not to mention the actual pressure it can offer just by being available
sand shadow
so intervening over when it seems like theyll go is good
I jsut re-read this... if I see blind, I save intervene for Sap; this is usually how most of them play it (including myself, but I am very low MMR atm so don't take this as fact)
besides, all this is obviously easier said than done, since a Blind on your healer is usually followed by a 6pt KS on next global etc
dark sparrow
I jsut re-read this... if I see blind, I save intervene for Sap; this is usually...
You have to be careful with that, think I heard smexxin say there is a weird interaction with intervening sap and berserker rage making them able to just resap healer
sand shadow
yes, there is
dark sparrow
If I remember it right you have to pre berserker rage the intervene
sand shadow
if they sap like 3s before Blind is out, they can get it
otherwise not enough GCD time
craggy socket
Yall feelin' arms with the damage buffs?
sand shadow
what Smexxin prolly meant is that the game considers you immune to sap, even though the CC is redirected at you, which actually fucks up the code and lets sap land
even though it should still redirect and just be immuned by the warrior
but I am not 100% sure
it's defo weird that a sap can land during intervene given you're next to the intervened target
since Intervene is no longer a single-attack protection like it used to be
but its been like that for ages now
if anyone knows better, lmk
if a sap lands simply because you jumped the gun and the Intervene buff is over, then that's normal
but it is a topic I've been ccurious about and have felt is bugged for a long while, so mb someone knows more than me
hushed iris
Idk about y’all I know fury is pretty meta rn but personally arms feels better in arenas, you’re so much more unkillable and have alot for defensives for their burst. Fury relys on uptime to stay strong but pretty weak against a good cc train into burst
sharp meteor
i mean fury feels better into jungle and wizards which is most matchups
arms feels better into rm and some cleaves
although honestly fury can swing into some teams so hard that they just fall apart
raw summit
fury being able to break a lot more roots is valuable
also root breaks cost so much less for fury
hushed iris
As far as kill pressure goes slaughter house is so much weaker than mortal strike heal cut
sharp meteor
uhh
40% ms during wolves/limb for like 20 seconds is a little oppressive
not to mention conq and reck
like their shit falls off and you're both still doing like 12k dps
raw summit
also if you get a lot of tier procs
u can eat people between gos
seemingly randomly off of a good proc chain
sand shadow
Slaughterhouse vs normal Arms MS is SO much about the type of damage profile that most often gets people dead. That is to say, healers are extremely well equipped at this point to handle Arms MS + damage profile fairly easily. Fury's Slaughterhouse does not exist in a vacuum; it exists alongside your burst window where you can actually ensure a prolonged uptime via Crushing Blow from RA plus Fury burst
sharp meteor
yep
sand shadow
Arms is obviously still very competitive w/ Fury
hushed iris
Maybe I’m playing fury wrong, most of the time their healer is just keeping up with my output early until I can get my slaughterhouse stacks up
sand shadow
You definitely need to go more zugzug as Fury to achieve the same results as Arms
or what feels like "more zugzug"
hushed iris
Having to stay on a single target for 8 rampages for maximum stacks of slaughterhouse makes me feel a lot more vulnerable to multiple go’s
sand shadow
As Fury, the ebb and flow of combat is quite different to Arms
raw summit
Maybe I’m playing fury wrong, most of the time their healer is just keeping up w...
do you have tier
raw summit
Having to stay on a single target for 8 rampages for maximum stacks of slaughter...
not how it works
its per rampage hit
sand shadow
8 rampages?
raw summit
so 4 per
hushed iris
Yeah I’m playing with tier and deathmaker
sand shadow
its 2 rampages
hushed iris
Wait really?
raw summit
yes
sand shadow
1 RPage = 4 hits
sand shadow
2 RPage = 8 hits = 8 SH stacks
raw summit
thats why its viable in the first place
sand shadow
Also, if you play w/ a fellow MS class in a cleave, make sure they turn it off/not pick it if possible
it messes up w/ Slaughterhouse
because 4xSH is considered an inferior MS, and their passive 25% MS overwrites it
so you never get to 8xSH
hushed iris
Ah I see
sand shadow
4% dmg is not enough to flip affli from bad to broken
craggy socket
They were already good
sand shadow
they're still inferior to Dstro
and by inferior, I mean significnatly
their damage profile is just not suited for SL
unless they play an immortal damp comp like shadowplay lsn
hushed iris
So I main fury in pve, I’m absolutely geared in pve but in pvp I’ve only got a few pvp items and I’m at 22% vers. Considering most of my gear is fury oriented “haste mastery for pve” even then arms stilll feels better for me which is weird
sand shadow
I watched the literal god of affli, Walirik, stream shadowplay end of last season
guy was doing up to 10K DPS consistent
and it still took ages to score a kill
sand shadow
So I main fury in pve, I’m absolutely geared in pve but in pvp I’ve only got a f...
it's kind of like Haste/Vers -> haste/versa -> mastery -> crit
I wouldn't play anything under 30% vers as a warrior atm
hushed iris
Yeah maybe with more vers my fury will be more confortable, since fury kit is lacking in defensives
near delta
So I main fury in pve, I’m absolutely geared in pve but in pvp I’ve only got a f...
You really gotta pve your damage to do well on fury. It took me a while to get used to.
sand shadow
and I do feel like 30% is on the low end
@hushed iris I hear this all the time, what do you mean?
You lack banner, which you play once every 10 games? and Duel, which you play once every 20
do you mean parry being superior to ER? sure, vs melees it is, but not vs casters for example
craggy socket
Whats the damage rotation for fury?
sand shadow
and ER does provide an extra benefit of being usable in stun
hushed iris
Fury kit is healing based there’s no reduction other than IP
wary harbor
- you get dstance for free
sand shadow
@craggy socket w/ 4pc set? RB RB RB - rampage - RB RB RB
wary harbor
without penalty
hushed iris
So vulnerable to burst
craggy socket
Do you ever Bloodthirst or whirlwind?
sand shadow
@wary harbor so? You get Warpaint w/o a penalty in your example
@craggy socket no, only during ER
and in very very niche cases
wary harbor
<@231552502292545546> so? You get Warpaint w/o a penalty in your example
thats what i said fury is arguably as tanky as arms
sand shadow
oh, okay, sorry 🙂
craggy socket
Whats ER? lol
hushed iris
Enraged rengeneation
wary harbor
enraged regen
sand shadow
Enraged Regeneration
craggy socket
ah
sand shadow
I mean, kind of, but vs many comps, it's superior to parry?
it gives you the same DR plus healing
on the same CD
hushed iris
Tbh i got a lot of double mortal strike procs (from conduit) into storm bolt execute finishes on arms yesterday maybe that’s why I like it more
sand shadow
what does DbtS give you vs an MLX for example? Just DR. As Fury, you have the extra benefit of healing, etc
sharp meteor
man destro is so cracked it's like every havoc coil they can fling off three bolts in just over two seconds for like 80k damage
like why would u pick aff over that degree of kill pressure
craggy socket
destro gonna get nerfed soon
sharp meteor
i setup my warlock recently and this is so weird man like
sand shadow
@sharp meteor 2sec? excuse me sir?
sharp meteor
<@129440991294783488> 2sec? excuse me sir?
i mean for three bolts
you've got initial cast, fast cast, then instant
craggy socket
I guess everyone just rerolling warlock lol
sharp meteor
i mean why not it's truly free rating
craggy socket
Watch them get nerfed when everyone gets legos and 4 pc
sand shadow
i mean for three bolts
sand shadow
in case you don't do math, that's 86.4K in 0.5s
hushed iris
No spell reflect? Rip
sand shadow
No spell reflect? Rip
sure
sharp meteor
hmm kyrian empower haven't seen that in a hot minute
hushed iris
That’s a team problem then
sharp meteor
i mean having to deal with that at all shouldn't be a thing
and realistically most stuff can't if the lock team has hands
like in a vacuum it's easy as a team to play around anything but it's never that simple
sand shadow
people don't seem to really understand what death logs like these truly mean
sharp meteor
especially when an off dr or dr'd shadowfury can be enough of a wrench to throw things off
sand shadow
specifically the gameplay implications
required to "avoid/live" these scenarios
and what they mean in the overall course of a 3v3 game
sharp meteor
it's too tight to have to play into on a boomer game like wow
sand shadow
we're just repeating history, really
back in BFA, it was run like rats on infernal
now it's run like rats on Ruin
despite having the ability to actually interrupt in BFA
which we now don't really have w/ the trinket
sharp meteor
we've just kind of been cycling stuff in response to their ruin stacked goes and it kind of works but really like pls nerf destro tier this is sot stressful to play vs
sand shadow
not to mention that one wrong call, one hiccup, and it could be over