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slappy is dodgeable?
I'll run you another test today QCP
Nah donโt bother
I thought slappy is not parriable
Prefered class you'd want?
My mans, I've been occupied 
so edgy, jesus xD relax
nmp
You get this
It's a trap
wtf
holyPogness
nah fuck it i'll wait
cba risking it in case it fucks up my settings and such

yea wargame helper works, ive tried it myself (was a few months ago tho)
Straight up
@undone pumice yeah, but you need at least 4 people total 
big eitherway
wdym d00d
its been in the game for ages
this is from Dec 2010
also works w/ BGs btw
they just kept messing w/ the /slash commands for it for some reason
wargames are from cata, yes
xd
idk i dont play pvp i just level random characters to 30 and delete them

i remember meeting people like that and it's like why brother
they just level chars then collect shit because group content scary
nah like
i just
suffer in pvp
cause i cant beat my head aginst a brick wall and win for once in my life
teapot you should coach lassan
no i hate tea
angry duck
i prefer orange juice
coach phil and he coaches me
although i should prolly just record and put into review channel

all i do is yell "you have X"
you have rally or wot
my coms are just boltboltbolt venenvenvenve
Been playing WMPriest. It's soooo fun.
depends on class
@sand shadow @mystic barn Stabbed Artji into Blur 200 times, I come out with 58.3% dodge chance
ah yes 20
can u just not post about stats again ty
What about hunter / Druid or hunter / priest
what hunter
So take it as you want, but it's a lot closer to 50% dodge than it is to 80% dodge
surely
and this is why a sample size of 200 hits is garbage
just don't acknowledge him
It's what you can get
Unless you wanna sit and spend a couple hours on it yourself to reach a proper sample size
yes
Why do people from LFG always leave after 1 loss lol
because easier to reroll partners than invest in one
also if i join a group with somebody half my exp on an alt and they write me a dissertation after they int the game im just leaving and not reading it
yer
@wheat jay
NA?
i already tested it
eu
it's 80%
Sure
what test?
dh blur dodge %
You got data Teapot?
wym data over a ton of 1v1s and arena matches blur effectively makes u immune to melee goes outside of stuns
Ah okay
we tested because as turb we'd swap dh with blur and do nothing
we're both like hm this seems higher than 50
since then we just treat blur like evasion
and hit mooner/fury or w/e when blur is up
all pvp combat is treated as arena tho
But that's literally not confirmation that it's bugged?
karg do u play with a dh or something
perhaps he does
no heโs just dumb
Haven't talked about it in forever bit iirc the consensus in dh disc was arena
it's bugged and idc what it means for balance but it's bugged so here we are
i mean dh players didn't notice until months later despite playing that one class
even more fried than the bm hunters who don't know conc shot is refreshed by cobra
Not true
It was mentioned really early on by lemi
A couple people knew and wouldn't tell anyone lol
yeah lemi and i both mentoined it and people thought it was a meme or something
like haha 100% dodge right haha
but like actually
feelycraft
It's literally the biggest feelycraft moment rn
yea kinda how warrior is f tier
its actually scientifically proven that dh has 100% dodge
I feel for Troma man
i like dh as a target now so much when blur is burned somewhere
fury cranks so hard that they do just randomly die
fury is what rmp players think warrior damage was
"ur entire rotation at all times is like combust"
kill a mage from 60% with a rampage into crushing blows
I played with some rando rsham yesterday we played one game and got eviscerated by Mud and he left haha . Unfortch
best quote
They just disappear if you banner/reck without blur up
oh yeah i mean if they don't have blur when u have every button up they do disappear but so does anything else
cds last a long time so if u can dodge incap/stun with bladestorm then they'll just die
Ah yeah true
I finally ran into a kittle cleave in the wild
It was bean on feral carrying this 1350 arms lol
Did they win?
No we destroyed the warrior
Ran into them a couple times same result bean did cray damage as feral ofc
all the 3k s2 kitty players floating around 2100-2200 now ๐ ๐
might still be decent as necro kitter but like you'll actually have to kind of play the game
Bean is back on retai??
But then again, if you play necro kitty, why not just play with another melee that has equal utility and more dmg?
Hey guys, was hoping for alittle help if possible. just picking my warr backup since 9.1. kyrian arms. I've been going through old posts trying to figure this out. Just caught up on storyline and am ready to craft both leggos. what is the best slot? I see people are going for slots that create sockets but it seems thats also partly to keep tier slots open for drops/vault? Im gonig to create my 4set through the catalyst so im not really worried about that. That being said would socket slots still be best or slots that will have higher stats? Im going enduring blow/unity to start and cant come to a decision of what slot to craft them in
Go enduring Belt and unity whereever is cheap and not tier
thanks for the response, appreciate it!
Used to watch beans when I first started arena to learn feral
Glad wins check
3/50

Ima need about tree fiddy
What are the best 2's/3's comps for fury?
3s with uh is good
2s is a bit sketch since that's hunter bracket but hpal or hpriest works
Hunter bracket?
Essentially you cannot beat a good survival hunter with a holy priest
Darn ๐ฆ
There is absolutely nothing you can do if they play it correctly
Which they usually dont
So Banner and run over em

Uh kinda doesnt have dam outside of limb
And frost in 2s is miserable
So fury all the way
Imo
4p fury with ra jush pve's people
And the fact you can use regen in stuns makes it a bit more forgiving/IV also helps
Yeah.. both my toons have 4pc
But dk is way more geared
I wanna get both of them to 1.8k at the least for the set
The elite sets look really good
I swear the dk is the only good one
you also cannot kill hunters as unholy
All other elite Sets are lfr tint with shiny
@mystic barn this true, Yeah?
and by the time its done I have no damage
ya ofc u cant kill hunters as unholy
war has shattering throw
They could feign every apoc
its practically impossible even when theyre bad
yep
Cant shatter turtle
they feign everything you put onto them

no
got a friend whoโs 2.3 as unholy and yeah
he said hunter healer is unwinnable
wtf
unless they throw
You can shatter bop but not turtle?
Ye im not doubting just wanted almighty corpser opinion
Yea
healer is only target if ur against hunter and they are all hpriests
only win if they blatantly throw
is it worth shattering fleshcraft shield?
Depends on the class
As fury generally just going through felt better
30/40k is nothing
Fury is Spam crushing blow for the most time
Venthyr is fine yea
Better than NF and kyr imo
kk
How come I struggle to kill locks as my dk but I tear through them as fury?
Is it just cause of spell reflecting chaos bolts?
Dk damage in pvp is weird
no army 
The 1 Minute build with badge blight and empower is kinda cool
warlock can get shredded by dk easily
Slappy hand top dam 
Meaningful choice 
up until you dont have a grip for drain life spam
You have the meaningful choice to be good or bad
Im bad at dk so i have slappers carry me

Slap badge press all shit hailmary
Vs calculated crushing blow Spam as fury 
badge for unholy sadge
I felt like it was aight
I started playing pvp as frost dk s1, and I had no idea wtf I was doing lol
But been forced aegis a lot
Fdk in 2s makes me wanna commit rope
Doesnt do dam
(also skill issue)
just spam chains of skill until deep damp and spam 20k oblits = profit
simply play twd in 2s or play with nf hpal
end the game in 20s
or die before deep damp
Oh btw qcp
I got on my DK and did the charge deadzone thing into warrior
Very very nice 
yea its great until you do it vs fury warrior where its useless
crushing skill or whatever
The people i face on dk arent skilled enough to have 4p
So it works
Must be incredibly frustrating for them and that makes me happy
i thought this week was week 4 of the 4pc food stamps
Next reset is
ahh ok
Then everyone dumb enough to step a foot into zm will have it
Except me cuz no flux on alt
can't wait for tuesday when 80% of the ladder is destro/hpriest/x instead of only 60%
Noob question: How do you guys use ignore pain? Whenever you can or nah?
as fury i don't unless i am in actual shambles and rampage isn't going to help counter pressure
as arms basically off cd unless trading very favorably (bursting)
kk
I did some solo shuffles and skirms and went "Huh.. Im either already dead or dont need to use it"
ignore pain as fury is only when you're down tremendously, ignore pain is just rotation as arms because if you don't, you're just dead on the floor
Makes sense. What are some classes/specs I can easily kill as fury vs ones that just hard counter me
, as fury
Fury tears through Rdruids?!
Ye

Ye they really struggle into us now
Since we get uptime very likely
With root break honor talent charge leap and RA
No tranq they just die ya
Badge or insig as fury venthyr?
Im defaulting insigia now
they're both fine
But idk for sure
depends on win condition and your loadout
insig feels good for the haste
badge reliable big go
badge is some pretty square burst
33 with i mean
battlemaster, insignia, badge, aegis all seem dece
i usually just swap between all but badge
No maledict
/s
Does fury full send on verse or nah?
Ye
Pvp gear with Versa is a must since 4p kinda tanks vers
Less important than last season but u probably still want 30+
kk
Doing stuff with 8% verse was very squishy lol
30% haste good to get to before dumping the rest into mastery?
you want 30% vers
what is RA?
Reckless abandon
ooooh
Ridiculous that double warlock is a good comp lol
class stacking with the same role shouldn't ever be healthy man it's absurd
it's not just double warlock, there's a lot of class stacking going on right now and it working well, I've seen double ret at 2500, double rogue, double DH works really well rn, double mage
even during warrior's reign of terror in season 1, double warrior wasn't viable lmao
warrior doesn't double up well
you both just take too much damage
shit like fury/fury might be okay into certain stuff i guess
two 180% warriors running at you doing 10-15k dps for 20-25 seconds kind of spooky
Anger management and just alternate reck goes constantly
Not enough CC
ya lack of reach not ideal
Sounds like TSG, except you don't have the benefits of TSG ๐
Is fury vs bm in 2s very one sided?
at low rating? I'd say warrior has a huge advantage vs hunters, but at high rating, like 2400+ you shouldn't have much of a chance
I don't do 2's much but the few times I have around 2200/2300, i just crushed them, wasn't close
them making it impossible to catch them and if you do, minimize your ability to deal damage and properly rotate defensives
Feel like goikg double charge and leaper helps a ton vs good kiters though
I just run bloodrage warbringer slaugherhouse doubletime and short leap with reckless abandon and all of the sudden i can't be kited
Insane
Warrior matchup is generally about what the enemy allows you to do, rather than what you enable yourself to do
Ppl just kind of knock warrior around however they see fit at high 2s
At least RA has made that a lot more bearable
Yeah, understandable. Thanks guys
Fury > Arms for pvp now? Been away a while
that too, arms sucks in 2's
Alright, hard to go from arms to fury IF ive never played fury before?
Ouff
Maybe its time to give my survival Hunter some love
stat prio is vers (30%) > Haste > mastery > crit
Surv is the same @wooden canyon
on any class all you want is above 30%, it's just not valuable enough past the 15% damage reduction, as a stat it's terrible for damage
which is easy to do even with 4 set
at least survival is the meta in 2's
hunters have been one of the premier 2s classes all expansion no?
yes, although arms could contend with it fairly well, it was still in their favor
This is probably a stupid question but how is fury right now I just read somewhere about how broken it is somebody was crying about it on a forum is that actually true And is now the time to come back to PVP
"broken"
thata tge obly thing i could think ppl see broken about it?
fury has an easier time generating uptime i guess?
u cant run from a fury it does the same quintuple dash bullshit as dh
Yeah I haven't touched PVP much since Early BFA. But it would be nice to get some of those saddles.
Fury is dec in 2s, usually better on lower ratings where people still learn the game and gets worse the higher you get
kind of a noob smasher class
better of goin fury for the most parts
thata how it should be
So basically you're saying it's in a decent place. And it sounds like that was a noob on the forums make sense make sense should be just fine for what I need it for
2 bursts > 1 dedensive
No clue who that guy on the forum is, but thats how Fury is played rn in 2s. In 3s its kinda different. There are many combs where Fury performs really really well aka Turbo, TSG or paired with Warlock/Mage
classic warr comps ig?
turbo has been around since literally when they introduced arena
ye but Turbo performance is always wonky since enhancers are rarely good
Yeah it was a Facebook form post thing. Griping about how Teir has broken some classes beyond repair
In 2s
mop had many good things compared to SL
assa tier got nerfed so major offender gone
all other expansions are filler untik next mop
but arguably fury tier broken as shit in pvp too
destro lock also a huge offender
hey so i put a chaos bokt ij your chaos bokt so you could caat more chaos bolt
fury is horrible in 2s
similar to arms puttinf an execute in your execute so you ciuld execute again
at your mmr maybe
wtf u werent supposes to tell him
๐คฃ
the difference is that execute is influenced by gcd while warlock with dark souls pumps 3 Chaos bolts in 1.2secs each for 30k
dont care + ur wack
fury is good at low rating and horrible at high
fury exe doesnt even do damage
yea i meant arms exe
.
Ya true
almost like everything except rmp is fotm
rmp is fotm+
the next level of fotm
rmp is fotg
except thats its flavour of the expansion
flavor of the game

everyrhing is fote
Rmp is foedfeithotfg
wtf
Flavor of every damn fuckin expansion in the history of this fucking game
fairs
fury guide

Yeah that's what I'm hearing which is fine for me I just happened to have a pretty geared fury Warrior Right now and I figure I could use it to get some saddles. Not really interested in trying to roll some sort of broken class.
Warrior
โข Fury
- Slaughterhouse completely removed.
- Damage from all abilities nerfed by 6% in pvp combat.
Developperโs notes: Weโve noticed how simple it was for fury warriors to consistently maintain high amounts of pressure in pvp scenarios with little to no drawbacks, so instead weโre removing Slaughterhouse and tuning their damage so that we may implement a healthier tuning change in the near future.
Wtf
wot
Nah is a troll i found on reddit

Outlaw buffs were not needed in pvp at all
haha drain life go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

then it goes brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
then i go orc deatg sound
Just the best sound from world of warcraft
Ok so more practise
Do you boys rock the Haste or Crit on use trinket more often? Torn
i'd say either the on use honor haste trinket or the inisignia
it takes experience to do it, I had the same issue on my BM, I did terribly into warriors that I know I counter because I just played shit and did not spread out my mobility and panic-pressed
still got 2.4k on it weeks ago tho 
its just such a powerful spec even if you suck at it, its insane
This season? So you are like a top 100 player?
I am for sure not a top100 player on it rofl
oh, I might be top100 on the ladder if you sort by BM yea
Weeks ago 2.4 was top 50 though 
yeah but my friend rerolled hpriest for the first time too for that push
so we literally played the strongest possible shit
we won literal tournament players on their mains, not because we're better, but because the hpriest/bm is just stupid strong
and I just checked, by weeks ago I apparently meant two weeks ago, idk why it felt longer (haven't logged the char since)
so not THAT impressive, but still
BM is stupid strong, hpriest is stupid strong in 2v2
oh nvm, it was 10th of April
I can tell you that it took 10% of the effort I had to put into getting Elite on my warriors in 2s, that's for sure
despite warrior being my main
but to go back to the original topic, I too struggled vs warriors on my BM myself, esp on smaller maps, and upon review
it was because I would constantly feel under incredible pressure and do stupid shit like FD + Disengage or Disengage + Freedom or FD + Freedom etc
Isnt the conduit that cdr's disengage when you use traps bugged?
each of these you need to spread out and use by itself only, until you're reslowed
@raw summit i had it on, but I never actually tried to keep track ๐
I saw Bicmex was using it, so it ought to work
Yesterday actually
have you guys watched his in-depth guides tho?
actual gold
he shares so much information
They are really good, yeav
im assuming that can help even for warror
watching him play hunter is joy
right?
I mean sure
Yeah
know thy enemy or some shit like that, right
ye
if I still played hunter, I'd defo steal the vanish macro for example
it insta executes FD + pet FD + camo
essentially a vanish
he did it in the AWC vs Whaazz's team iirc ๐
fd?
ah
kind of yea
a bad version of vanish
kinda Pog vs stuff like RM
if they CC your healer and leave a gap on you, you can just "vanish"
kinda tox 
I mean
I dislike hunters, but I dislike RM more
anything that bothers RM is fine in my books 
essentially, yes, tho keep in mind you can be aoe'd out, no vanish/conduit protection
on my warr, I just WW them out most of the time
altho if they have a disengage and time it properly
they get their vanish
stealth conduit should be deleted
delet ๐ก
I still can't believe stealth is 2s cd
please get bicmex to play warrior so all the bugs are fixed
fury warrior is swiss cheese with bugs
I lost a game last night, 3 CBs in a row wouldn't charge me, would've landed a kill for sure I think ๐
death sentence still bugged, intervene dc, slaughterhouse bugs out often in bgs
@elder wigeon would be fun to watch
warrior is just a bug fest right now
war banner still takes ages to activate
war banner is still fucked where it takes about 500ms to activate
I still get coiled w/ reflect on
yup
tho that last one has to do w/ servers I think
yeah it's spell batching
mhm
cloud servers are laggy
also, imo, a bolt in flight on a priest that is about to land MC on you
yup that's also fucked up
shouldn't disappear into the nether
and instead land on the priest
and knock the MC...
yeah it bugs out lol
I hate that shit so much
we love how buggy and frustrating warrior is
bolt used to be faster iirc
the pets suddenly move at 10000mph
all classes/specs have bugs
someone recently made a comment on that on Twitter actually
how it feels like the amount of bugs has increased lately
as if QoL at Blizz is slacking
for example, playing BM was so frustrating
the 2nd pet would bug the fuck out every 2nd arena, literally
where if you forgot to dismiss and resummon, you'd be fucked
oh yeah watching some mop storm bolt shit and that shit was like a laser beam lmao
can't dismiss once the gates open for some reason
stormbolt is slow as shit now
well it is a bolt OF STORM
it makes sense for it to be lightning fast!
for RP reasons!
class fantasy stonks ๐
@sand shadow you can swap pets though
@knotty tangle oh another thing about my epic Elite on BM
I didn't know I can play different pets into some comps like RM
or hpriests who shackle me undead raptors
I knew diff pets exist, I just never remembered
still got Elite tho
heroic leap also was much faster before it got redesigned
buff war??
thats why you can no longer easily leap on tiger's peak
or mugambala
or even BEA sometimes
don't buff warrior just fix the bugs lmao
you have to be actually careful
sure, buff warrior by fixing the bugs
I'm not sure how buggy every other class is, but I take it that it's not this messy
I know shaman totems are hella buggy near walls
sometimes my totems on my sham
just decide to spawn on the wrong side of wall
and i dont get the buff

because its oob
no
its actually not terrible, I tested it
yeah but
problem is you're so GCD blocked
the other ones are better
not nearly as good as frenzy
in reality
yes
massacre god
massacre is good vs certain classes like dudu
frenzy looks awdful
dudu ?
Frenzy if you're stacked on haste like most Fury warrs is like 0.05s GCD reduction during Enrage and is gone if you swap
something weak like that
no
it is fine
you will spam rb a LOT
yea
you just don't get to press it optimally at all
your rotation is simply RB RB RB - RAMPGE - RB RB RB etc
yea exactly
so im removing it
but for frenzy or mass
frenzy
I go w/ frenzy myself
prob
any GCD reduction, even if small
massacre is situational
is just so good for fury
now i have a free button space on my hotbar........
frenzy also just more crackcocain fun
nothing beats the rush of spam CBing during RA and getting endless resets
endless charges
and stupid amounts of dmg
yessir
i love pressing E
e is for ww
e is for rb

2 is for ww
rb is 3
3 is hamstring
s is hamstring
s is goblin glider
charge on 1
charge on 1 for sure
1 is for banner
charge on R
BRO
1 is FOR sure
for REEEEEEEEEEE
reserverd for CHARGE
what are yall talking
must not have played warrior in Vanilla
dont tell me ur like pikapala who has kick on spacebar
^ HAHa
spacebar is for bloodthirst
and jumps with F
the hold bind on kick
or some shit right
f for execute
F is for Fear
t yea
shift 4 for fear
idk why you're not getting it @undone pumice
s-V fear
same
Shit-4 is for trinket, my god
alt 2 is for trinket
shift r is trinket
alt-2!??!?
shift r is regen
alt 2 is ork racial
shift mwheeldown is ork racial
w bind for a damage button
oh nonono
interdasting
shift 234 for bolt 
s-123 for targeting
thats not a bad idea
I mean, at least I haven't heard shit like WHaazz's Shift + U for cloak
so thats good
ikr?
U is absurd
dude some peoples binds
i have alt k for gungaginga macro
and i thought my b for horse on pala was scuffed
furthest east one i have is i think T?
demon macro
demon time macro
oh nvm, its J
mines zhv
J for AoE taunt KEKW
using numpad for UI was a life changing experience
alt f5 for aoe taunt
idk
f-5 AND alt mod?
i dont drink
actually demonic
lol what a loser
f1 etc i dont even have bound
w
im not allowed bro
L
truly
by an Amber Heard character in your life
or an actual medical reason
by me being not of legal drinking age
ooooh
thought u were euro
you're under 18?!?
i am euro
wtf
yea
dude must be living in one of them civilized countries
I started drinking at like 15
wild. not of drinking age in the states anyhow
wehats it called agaiun
most
that alc cider
alps?
Alps?
lmao nvm
nono
absinthe?
they have alcoholic apple juice
idk drinks then

bad
I am a bad boy, yes
and its called suure Moscht or some shit
REALLY fucking weird
any cider
i'm 20 and i've never drank or done a single drug in my life ๐
theres alc ones
yea
@elfin surge thats perfectly okay ๐
wow is my drug
least virtuous warrior player
not cow shit u pepega
I am much older tho, and trust me, reasons for a drink do tend to crop up as you age 
bad day? drink
good day? drink

nuthin
shift x is pve spear reck macro
wtf weirdo
shift x is intervene healer
shift c intervene dps
alt shift x is charge arena1
alt shift c charge arena2
alt shift g charge arena3
int is shift e and control e for me
shift e for interrupt
so comfy tho
how do u shittalk people properly bro w tf
minus
tilde
Double dh felt really strong end of last season
its incredibly comfortable imo
i bind tilde to whipser phil hes a monkey
and it feels comfortable doing it, no?
no
wtv you're a kid
my fingers dont reach all the way to my enter button
mhm ye i see the appeal i just dont know what id put there
yet
arena 3 charge
Best way to counter UH DK bursting me down into oblivion on 2's? ๐ฆ
aegis
BM + Impending + wall
remember slappy does a shit ton of dam
and your healer needs to do stuff too still
what also helps
at this point, I no longer play Aegis myself
BM too stronk w/ the Aegis nerf
i already wanna kms
chained between charge and melee range
BM is pretty nice
BM is ~7k less hp than the Aegis absorb at max ilvl
i dont have bm of this season yet
and increases your healing
aegis feels good into resonator but youโre likely locked down when itโs thrown anyway
not to mention actually saves you if you got stunlocked and leave the CC at low hp
crit weapon out of vault last wk was nice. still no helm
I got one from vault
im missing neck and wep and bis ring + trinket
tier helm is statted well right? thought it was damn near optimal
then im done
its bis
im like 89k hp now as Fury 
haste vers
perfect
im 80k cuz im shit 
same
could be higher if I go for the pvp ring over the ZM crafted one
nah i have more hp than u i swear
8% speed off that ring feels too good
yea but double haste versa ring + movespeed is OP OP
yep
thats why I aint changing it
but you'd get a bit more stam if you did is what I meant
just priest buff :)
must feel even better on fury with a more reliable root break via bloodrage
so 44 I guess
u still play arms?
wtf
800-880hp ainโt much
i donโt have 4p
i will tomorrow obv
im down to 116% movement now 
sitting i think 122
gief sockeeets
do u run full speed gems
I go 128% w/ full sockets iirc
welfare 4p to all the hunters out there 
could be 128 with kleia if it wasnโt capped
i donโt
115%
I run 3 speed gems + cloak to get it yeah
i think i just use the 5%er and doublet
wots the flat speed gem
bfa gem iirc
something something straddling agate
sage agate?
I have 3 :<
the 3% one is also straddling something
and so is the 13 Speed per SL gem
so you just AH for "straddling" and they're all 3 there
phil
set favourite 
NOOOOOB
lmao
Uff
fk do I do w/ marks dude


