not by choice
#pvp
near delta
I mean we played ret/warr a bit at the end of last season. He's just about that lyfe. haha
near delta
except we had my buddy krihelion
Lmao
near delta
the miracle worker
I honestly can't remember lol
wispy cedar
i was also on disc priest lol which wasnt good
full quiver
they tried to bait me into playing with them
elfin surge
whats teh counterplay to this
owned
near delta
whats teh counterplay to this
Just dont get stunned duh
full quiver
why didn't you bladestorm spell reflect
undone pumice
whats teh counterplay to this
just line it
near delta
why didn't you bladestorm spell reflect
^
undone pumice
warped warren
not even 41k bolt š“
near delta
not even 41k bolt š“
Didn't even have leaper to just jump out of bolt range
full quiver
Lol
flat isle
whats teh counterplay to this
Leave the arena before they can do it
sharp meteor
whats teh counterplay to this
play alts until hotfix
spice hornet
kekw thats what i was doing sadly
flat isle
kekw thats what i was doing sadly
Is your alt a destro lock?
If not, there is your problem
You play an alt destro and you 1 shot them before they 1 shot you
elder wigeon
there's no way they're nerfing resolve and destro
undone pumice
undone pumice
did u not see the like 5 blood dk team
where they just rolled out in formation with slappy hands
spice hornet
i remember bfa s4 after the corrupt vendor came out everyone thought they were gonna nerf destro for SURE
but they didnt
lol
spice hornet
yeah its the borrowed power stuff
undone pumice
like bfa was the corruption cringe
now its tier sets and the new trink
pretty much only rmp and warrior are good regardless of borrowed power arent they
mystic barn
if borrowed powers were removed dk would be best class
full quiver
how tf would dk be the best class
only reason it's relevant right now is slappy hands lego
raw summit
transformed druids cant be poly'd
proud root
So rdruid is my best bet in 2s against rogue mage I guess?
raw summit
rshamn real now?
elder wigeon
not really in 3's
it just pisses me off to no end how much mage can abuse resolve though, has made rsham not viable
raw summit
no point in 12 sec kick if cant kick
mystic barn
how tf would dk be the best class
because it got shafted by borrowed power for the longest time this expac and most every other class got strong from borrowed power
hello gamer
mystic barn
don't think it would clap as hard
nimble jasper
So rdruid is my best bet in 2s against rogue mage I guess?
hpriest
can death poly
and blind
mystic barn
getting rng'd mortal combod and rng'd warbreakers is what makes it sus
proud root
Wdym ācan deathā?
undone pumice
what makes arms sus is its normal rotation being the burst
mystic barn
Wdym ācan deathā?
priest execute puts a dot on them if it doesnt proc
a lot of priests use it to cover themselves from breakable cc
at least good or smart ones
shadow word death
undone pumice
whats the lowest hit
proud root
Ahhh that interaction. Completely forgot about it
proud root
If mage uses combust, should I always use Frenzied Reg and trink+bloodthirst the rogue, or can I sit it with frenzied?
and is relentless+aegis a good combo against rm for human
undone pumice
i believe trinket iv into pillar can work SOMEtimes
warm pollen
does the protection 1 shot macro still works or was it nerfed?
raw summit
nerfed
warm pollen
T_T
how much was it nerfed? like it doesnt work at all rn ?
i just came back today after 1 week no play tho
sharp meteor
does the protection 1 shot macro still works or was it nerfed?
still works but nerfed so idk probably not worth trying
it already felt super scuffed but i don't generally play prot
sharp meteor
i did enjoy bonking people for literally 60-90k for a week in bgs though
warm pollen
by 50% tho
thats sad
sharp meteor
them gutting prot before destro is fucking fried
i haven't queued into a single prot outside solo shuffle
but like 40% of all gamaes is a destro randomly flinging out 40k bolts
warm pollen
xd
proud root
If it was 60-90k before, then itās gotta be 45-67,5k now though
Could prob do some 2x prot shenanigans
raw summit
If it was 60-90k before, then itās gotta be 45-67,5k now though
30-45 you mean
even if literally press a defensive and live
sharp meteor
Could prob do some 2x prot shenanigans
Can't queue multiple tanks, just like you can't queue multiple healers
near delta
Can't queue multiple tanks, just like you can't queue multiple healers
Turbo disagrees
sharp meteor
I do love my healers
4% arms buff in pvp lets gooooo
Items
Gladiatorās Echoing Resolve now increases the duration of crowd control by 25% (was 20%), now lasts 12 seconds (was 15 seconds), no longer increases the duration of root effects, and no longer causes the target to become immune to root effects.
sharp meteor
near delta
4% arms buff in pvp lets gooooo
LETS FUCKING GOOOO
sharp meteor
Randomly popped up in GD
near delta
Was worried teapot was going delusional
near delta
When was the last time outlaw was the meta rogue spec?
sharp meteor
it's quite possibly the best rogue spec right now
potentially the best spec in the game
near delta
Yeah that's what I'm figuring
Especially with the assa nerf
Not sure the echoing resolve nerf really fixes anything but good on them for adjusting it
Really just kinda fucks wws ability to remove it lol
sharp meteor
all three rogue specs super excellent it's just outlaw has a ton of potential
sharp meteor
that is a bit of a questionable change hmm
near delta
Also the cc increase from 25% to 20%
glass orchid
Fml
near delta
While it only lasts 12 secs
glass orchid
Why did they buff arms
near delta
But that's a long ass time
glass orchid
I was hoping the fury meta stayed longer
Now my teams gonna ask me to go back arms
Also resolve now megacounters warriors
Cus canāt stormbolt then charge the debuff off
sharp meteor
Why did they buff arms
Because it's super dogshit in pve.
elder wigeon
I don't think this arms is going to be the choice even after the buffs
just makes them a more viable/better choice for turbo
near delta
Aff buff seems way more toxic imo
near delta
But outlaw is the most annoying rogue spec atm
Yeah but it's damage is aight
Aff's damage is like 2x everyone else rn so 4% more is nuts
arctic igloo
True
fickle forge
Eyo guys arms or fury for PvP after the arms buff?!?!
elder wigeon
fury
fickle forge
And where to craft unity?
elder wigeon
craft unity in league of legends bro that's where we droppin
fickle forge
Gotcha fam
elder wigeon
tryndamere mains wya
fickle forge
Do I go bot lane with Unity?
elder wigeon
top lane only šŖ botlane cringe
sage raptor
Outlaw buff LOOOOOL
Tbf they're pretty dooky in pve
fickle forge
Tbf they're pretty dooky in pve
If only there was a way...
sage raptor
I wouldn't say broken but they are pretty good.
copper hare
outlaw is the best 2s spec after survival and probably the best rmp spec aswell now
to not let this change apply for ww and bm (which is the right way), but to buff outlaw and affli in pvp
just shows how they don't even care anymore
copper hare
instead of tuning and adjusting an ongoing season which probably last for another 8 months
they only work on new expansion
for sure, 10.0 will fix it, then the same shit will happen again
near delta
At least warbringer will actually root them now
obsidian creek
ah yes it was such a great plan to buff outlaw in pvp too
now we have absolutely no shot of killing it
near delta
And where to craft unity?
Craft it on every piece 
fickle forge
now we have absolutely no shot of killing it
Have you tried defaulting to killing their healer and then watch outlaw use their defensives out of boredom?
copper hare
now we have absolutely no shot of killing it
let's be honest, was there a chance before?
maybe if they dced
or joined the arena naked
elder wigeon
Have you tried defaulting to killing their healer and then watch outlaw use thei...
just like every dh
elder wigeon
blur offensively because why not, I'm not gonna get hit anyways
fickle forge
blur offensively because why not, I'm not gonna get hit anyways
That's okay, every DH up till 4k rating will use Blur as soon as you proc EB on them
elder wigeon
imagine playing arms
mystic barn
Seeing people pop dcds for reck procs must be nice
fickle forge
imagine playing arms
So sry
That's okay, every DH up till 4k rating will use Blur as soon as you proc Reck on them
mystic barn
love it when outlaw pops dn in response to ph
fickle forge
WHAT'S DN QCP?????
mystic barn
one of their talents on row 35
near delta
I love eating DHs alive after they blur that reck proc
wet scarab
Iām not sure why Iām reading the resolve trinket change as a positive thing. Did I misunderstand it? It basically reads to me as meaning that it wonāt be procced by things like the shockwave from warbringer and you can still use it to cc them and run away from them with root effects during the proc
How do you guys think this is a buff?
sharp meteor
Iām not sure why Iām reading the resolve trinket change as a positive thing. Did...
charge target gets rooted for longer
with warbringer
sharp meteor
How do you guys think this is a buff?
because i can't charge the immunity off
near delta
Almost 4 second root so not bad
sharp meteor
kind of goes both ways but eh
wet scarab
But it says wonāt extend root effects which means that the trinket effect wonāt get procced by the charge
So you can charge and interrupt
sharp meteor
i also can't bolt into charge then kick tedious tedious
idk the destro tier needs a tweak
then maybe frost magus damooge
wet scarab
Yes which is good itās dumb that a trinket with no icd gets procced by a charge
Now you can actually decide when to proc it
Whatās worth etc
Not charge and immediately have your face melted with no recourse
Also stun and interrupt actually gives you a fighting chance to escape from the hell they are about to unleash and will eat a significant chunk of cds like dark soul if you time it right
sharp meteor
wet scarab
Still needs a giga nerf for destro but Iāll take what I can get
wispy cedar
@full quiver
elder wigeon
with how they nerfed resolve, I'm not confident they're gonna touch destro in any meaningful amount
arguably it's a normalization of how melee deal with resolve, some specs being able to abuse it, some can't deal with it at all
full quiver
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@wispy cedar
obsidian loom
which trinket do i take from the world pvp quest
lucid walrus
aegis prob
near delta
can i reroll arms now?
Arms is legit really good even without buff
Fury is just sexier rn
near delta
Prob kyr but necro is still dece I think?
elder wigeon
arms is meh outside of turbo
amber heron
i mean isnt every meele meh outside turbo XD
DK warrior
warrior enh
ret war died out for some reason
dk war took its plave
place
elder wigeon
warrior is the target of choice against 90% of comps right now, which is why turbo is warrior's comp of choice
warrior struggles without a lot of support
amber heron
i mean with parry i feel like ur beefy
near delta
Into melee but it's worthless vs casters
elder wigeon
parry is a really bad cd vs wizards
elder wigeon
fury is better into wizards for sure
arms doesn't have the chops it needs to 1 shot the wizards that you need since you have less mobility than fury
amber heron
do u ever run that mass spell reflect leggo?
elder wigeon
no it's trash
amber heron
i feel ike its so good into some of them
it fucks with a lot of their bolts sometimes
elder wigeon
I don't think so, nobody I know runs it either
amber heron
i dont run it but ive been the healer on the other side of it
i just logged onto my warrior
since 9.2
since i heard arms got the buff
elder wigeon
too many things rip it off and with tier set, you lose such a significant portion of your damage running mirror
amber heron
im in rival 2 gear of last season
elder wigeon
4% is not going to make or break anything
elder wigeon
I haven't been enjoying arms
elder wigeon
it's good because of enduring blow
if you don't have enduring blow, it's bad
which is why nobody will ever run mirror
as fury you could get away with running mirror
but everyone still opts for deathmaker or signet
amber heron
in 2s i think u cuold have some fun with venthyr
near delta
in 2s i think u cuold have some fun with venthyr
They nerfed death sentence so it isn't as crazy as it used to be
amber heron
yea i looked up the top warriors rn in 2v2
they r all kyrian
couple necro
makes no sense tho bc hunters just feign death
and get out of spear
wonder how they win that matchup
sharp meteor
rdruid double time warbringer then force feign with dam or something
ask self why you're queuing 2s etc
near delta
ask self why you're queuing 2s etc
Truth
I need to make a rule to just stop queueing if I get MLX two times in a rule
thick reef
do u guys macro reck into banner and bladestorm?
sharp meteor
Nope?
elder wigeon
there's no point in doing that, and you can't if you're running signet
all i do is macro in badge with cd's like warbreaker or reck or bladestorm etc
same with bloodfury, i macro that in with banner because they line up perfectly
sharp meteor
Yep, I've got bloodfury in conq banner.
thick reef
ok ty
sharp meteor
Also generally if you're binding stuff together make sure you also have it bound by itself.
a DH I know got cheaped on their trinket+dark/blur/nether a few times so I suggested having a trinket+defensive bind for when you want to be sure to get it off, BUT obviously you need them bound by themselves because you don't always wanna use medallion when you blur
nimble jasper
a DH I know got cheaped on their trinket+dark/blur/nether a few times so I sugge...
this is such an sl thing i swear
well that and rmx being capable of killing someone in a half cheap
sharp meteor
Yeah. It's, like, you'll get cheaped, they'll let it hang for a second, then bust, and the rogue is sitting on their next global to cheap your trinket, and if they do you die.
so it has to be super clean, and when it's super clean they can also swap go onto somebody else, which is really fucking annoying.
like if you use as/before they've really sent then they actually just turn and kill somebody else if you aren't able to cover them with your trinket
nimble jasper
i swear
so many rogues esp at lower mmr
gap their stuns
significantly higher chance as orc too
near delta
When you see a destro lock that's 2900 XP but only hit elite S4 BFA š¤
sage raptor
It's just that easy
dense cedar
Hey guys what do you think about Fury for 2s , is it viable or arms is still the way to go ?
simple rock
undone pumice
hey guise what slot unity
dense cedar
If you mean the legendary you get at the end of zereth mortis its a belt
raw summit
A) he's trolling b) you can craft it in different slots
bold grove
hey guise what slot unity
If you are Fury.
According to Murlok.io, the highest rated Fury Warriors put Unity on Neck, followed by Deathmaker on Cloak or Tormented Kings on Ring.
raw summit
He's trolling 
pure turtle
Do people run Deathmaker over signet in pvp?
steep inlet
50/50
bold grove
Do people run Deathmaker over signet in pvp?
Deathmaker is mostly used in 2v2. Signet for 3v3.
undone pumice
hey guise what slot unity
warped warren
trinket 1
undone pumice
why not weapon 2?
warped warren
bcs you play arms?
undone pumice
no im prot
dark sparrow
Hey guise I just crafted last tier pieces on wrist & feet but I donāt have the set bonus? Is it broken or smth
raw summit
the bonus is on chest hands legs helm shoulders only
it says that in the catalyst too
dark sparrow
And if I craft it on dn does that give me set bonus
raw summit
no
river walrus
Guys, should i be running double charge against druids and hunteers? i`vee found myself losing a lot of matches to MM and Survival hunters as wwell as jungle comps, they kite me to the oblivion
undone pumice
yea is good
proud root
30-45 you mean
A 100% increase would imply that it started off between 30-45k, so if you remove 50% of the damage buff, then you end up at 150% damage compared to 200% - so a 25% dmg decrease to the shield slam.
undone pumice
chad caluclator
proud root
what are the best pvp talents for fury? I'm using Enduring Rage, Battle Trance and Slaughterhouse. Should I swap Battle Trance for Warbringer because of the interaction with Crushing Blow or is it insignificant?
jolly laurel
wait.. does crushing blow work with warbringer? š
undone pumice
wtf is warbringer
crystal harbor
Do you boys prefer NL or Kyr for Fury? 2's
raw summit
nl
thick reef
parry is a really bad cd vs wizards
parry is so bad against wizards yea its insane 30% seems to do nothing almost
steep oyster
what are the best pvp talents for fury? I'm using Enduring Rage, Battle Trance a...
does that actually work
the small charge from CB procs the honor talent?
proud root
Oh I didn't mean that WB interacts with Crushing Blow, I meant that Battle Trance doesn't get triggered, because Crushing Blow isn't Raging Blow
steep oyster
Oh I didn't mean that WB interacts with Crushing Blow, I meant that Battle Tranc...
oh i always thought it triggers as its bascially upgraded raging blow, is this confirmed for how it works? š®
undone pumice
Oh I didn't mean that WB interacts with Crushing Blow, I meant that Battle Tranc...
no i mean WTF IS WARBRINGER
nimble jasper
charge talent?
undone pumice
root?
raw summit
charge talent
obsidian loom
are shards obsolete now?
raw summit
Yes
obsidian loom
just vendor them, yea?
obsidian loom
oh shit
raw summit
So rather keep than refarm
sly furnace
So 4% buff on aff locks? š
thick reef
Everyoneās fury in arena
yea arms is weird rn i think its only better in 3s but i9n 2s it sucks
proud root
How do you find people for 3s? I want to try it, but no one applies for 30 minutes
And most big communities write stuff like ādonāt even bother if youāre not at least 3k xp in all seasons since TBCā
proud root
How
raw summit
I play 3s with @undone pumice that nerd
Why? Because he called me stupid and we figured out we are same skill floor
fickle forge
No lol @fierce elm
fierce elm
the fuck
fickle forge
Check yourself you lazy ape
fickle forge
Stop stealing my gifs?
fierce elm
no u
proud root
Is there an arena discord
Where I can find friends for 3v3
Worldofpvpās discord link doesnāt work
raw summit
kinda wanna get sham to 60 too
We get ur shaman 60
And we Q with my DK ur shamn and healers pala
And have suffering fun
shut tangle
Should i just be playing fury with 4 set?
im unaware of how to play into fury comps and into double caster with warlock
bc of the new trinket
near delta
is the dmg actually high enough to be worth esp if
That thang crits for 15/20k sometimes
sharp meteor
Should i just be playing fury with 4 set?
can't go wrong with that
sharp meteor
im unaware of how to play into fury comps and into double caster with warlock
arms seems better vs cleaves/rm and fury better into like jungle and wizards
i need to hammer out a ton more games tho
shut tangle
i feel like its just really good at living
and its dam is crazy with 4 set
but i never played in pvp before
elder wigeon
fury has mediocre survivability
relies on a lot of support still, but has more durability than arms for sure
raw summit
IV owns
elder wigeon
you have to play stormbolt with turbo tho
mystic barn
no u dont
elder wigeon
wtf yea?
tough compass
wtb old second wind on top of reverted def stance
sharp meteor
it wouldn't be op now lmao
lost 80% of my health in under a sec the other day with a pre-aegis in dstance mmmm
nimble jasper
now it wont yeah
sharp meteor
i rly think they need to buff stam then nerf ds and pact to compensate or something
dmg is just so high for our tiny health pools
sharp meteor
like games are the least chill they've ever been
sharp meteor
too stressful lol
elder wigeon
I want wrath second wind in place of d-stance
sharp meteor
i want for stuff to not die in the literal blink of an eye
elder wigeon
yeah a 25% nerf to damage and 30% nerf to all healing would be nice
across the board
sharp meteor
like i really thought they'd use new trinket bonus to buff hp
games are so violently lethal rn
sharpen fury warr t 80% he presses enraged and we just 1-bang him with no cc on healer
wet scarab
All the healers I know have quit except for one
sharp meteor
All three of mine are still playing but they're a bit more stressed than usual.
mystic barn
Why
mystic barn
With deathstrike
sharp meteor
games are kind of spooky
mystic barn
Every time destro pulls the trigger I gain a serenity charge
elder wigeon
50k death strike no problem
mystic barn
until I donāt
lucid walrus
mop second wind was way too overpowered
wrath SW would be interesting to see returned imo
not married to the idea though
indigo barn
Just disable set bonus's and kidney in pvp
elder wigeon
lmao
warped warren
fucking rogues
elder wigeon
two steps, two dances, cdr on dance, 16 different DR addons, db on 20 second cd, resonators
triple instant cover every 20 seconds
wet scarab
Just need to git gud tbh
indigo barn
Real talk, make sap needing to be up your buthole to be in range
fickle forge
kidney itself is fine
I, too, think 7 sec stun that you can sap off is fine
fickle forge
Imagine being a ret and thinking "ah okay, my stun lasts longer than most stuns, at the cost of it being dispelable", and then you see 7 sec Kidney is shorter CD
lucid walrus
"but you can DR yourself if you're not careful dude it's balanced ok"
mystic barn
Imagine being a ret and thinking "ah okay, my stun lasts longer than most stuns,...
bop noob
near delta
pre-bannered the blind, didn't work, get owned
"Fucking idiot pre-bannered, parried, and aegised. Kill through"
indigo barn
"Idiot walked through the starting gates and didn't FF"
wet scarab
Come to think of it I havenāt met a rogue main who isnāt a complete jackass
elder wigeon
I met one BR rogue that complimented me
sharp meteor
rogue players are super angsty, especially the ones that can't manage glad
thick reef
Hey guys is 19% vers low for pvp?
I'm around 1550 now in 2s and starting to lose more games, and I can't tell if it is because I am complete turd or my gear is bad
elder wigeon
yes I would recommend 30% vers
sharp meteor
idk if you really build into vers
you should get it passively from gear though
as it's all vers-weighted and you only have so many options
at 1550 it's all ilev; 5% defensive vers doesn't mean anything
you could slam your way up to 1800-2100 with 0% vers if it's high ilev
sharp meteor
that's pretty decent
thick reef
I'm guessing it's best to save conquest for a weap?
sharp meteor
yer
steel rune
Fury if you havenāt hit puberty yet arms if you are an absolute chad
sharp meteor
how do you decide to be fury or arms for pvp
just go haste heavy and try both
polar jetty
necro or kyrian?
sharp meteor
any combination could work
polar jetty
and would gavel of the first arbiter by any good for pvp?
sharp meteor
i have normal one and it feels underwhelming relative to duelist wep
polar jetty
kk
sharp meteor
maybe heroic and then definitely mythic would be solid imo
i don't raid though so i just pretend they don't exist
stark eagle
Venthyr Arms, Just wondering what performs better overall out of Exploiter and Enduring blow at the moment?
sharp meteor
I'd definitely go with enduring but exploiter might be cool for something like arms/mage where you're always setting up to blow somebody up in a bolt
exploiter just kind of weaksauce imo
whereas enduring scales off tier and mortal combo rank quite nicely
stark eagle
Have a low ilvl exploiter left over from, but totally cool to swap out to an Enduring blow instead.
stark eagle
whereas enduring scales off tier and mortal combo rank quite nicely
Ah trrue, good point
elder wigeon
there's zero chance exploiter is better than enduring blow
enduring blow synergizes with tier set heavily and double legendary
sharp meteor
yeah felt okay in s1 to setup burst
honestly idk if there's some hidden potential in venth but it just seems bad to me and the death sentence nerf was like the nail in the coffin
elder wigeon
condemn just does no damage, is the problem
sharp meteor
yeah it does literally nothing
elder wigeon
if they buffed condemn by 10% it could be a competitive option
sharp meteor
it's like less damage, can be cloaked/am's and no conq/spear like wtf
it isn't even played in pve
like hello
sharp meteor
i am surprised it hasn't been juiced to be like the greedy single-target pick
elder wigeon
condemn is just undertuned
stark eagle
Little out of the loop atm myself, so Condemn isnt even worth using in Mythics is it now? might slide over to Kyrian then
sharp meteor
necro is team player, kyrian is versatility in both offensive/defensive lockdown, night gae is pve shit and venth is greedy pve dps
sharp meteor
sike condemn is just dead
sharp meteor
i like spear and conq more
elder wigeon
venthyr double lego is the strongest double lego synergy warrior has
sharp meteor
but it was fine i guess
elder wigeon
and works well with tier set
thick reef
yea
elder wigeon
problem is, condemn just sucks for damage
stark eagle
Condemn was super fun s1
thick reef
thats good to hear i wish i played it in s1
stark eagle
felt chunky with Exploiter at the time
thick reef
big mortal strikes?
sharp meteor
i hadn't met my shaman then though so heck
thick reef
i rly wish i played war when it had al of those things
yea
over the seasons
they just made war worse defensive
like u said increasing rally cd, intervene reduction and now d stance
stark eagle
Thanks for the help everyone, Will get to upgrading the Enduring blow
mystic barn
condemn turned warrior from a 3 button spec to a 1 button spec
thick reef
wait so
u saying in s1 all u hit was condemn?
or u saying condemn was a extra button and now warr is 1 button
elder wigeon
qcp doesn't play warrior ignore him
thick reef
ah ok
elder wigeon
he plays dk :)
thick reef
BRUH dk
thick reef
LMAO
mystic barn
s1 condemn nerds infinite charges
elder wigeon
so was I š
mystic barn
no
sharp meteor
shut UP dk player
elder wigeon
yea i mean s1 condemn warrior was dumb but venthyr not being viable in pve or pvp is sucky
mystic barn
true
sharp meteor
yeah just neglect on blizzards part
mystic barn
BUT I AM CORRECT
sharp meteor
that condemn has zero purpose
stark eagle
^
thick reef
40k execute aa
sharp meteor
cool 2h animation
stark eagle
hope at the very least next expac Condem is an Execute glyph
elder wigeon
a few do with ret warrior or turbo
thick reef
yea
sharp meteor
but no one play arms anymore
spec blows outside kind of arena
elder wigeon
I wouldn't play it with anything else though
sharp meteor
and even in arena u have fury
thick reef
yea
sharp meteor
like bro arms has sucked in raid all expansion LMAO
elder wigeon
arms is on par with fury in turbo
mystic barn
the only benefit from condemn was audio mixing it to hear all the layers and bass that was put into it
thick reef
arms is on par with fury in turbo
oh ok my b mud said it was best but yea i see what u mean fury is prob just as good cuz of heal
mystic barn
wasnāt arms killer in sod
thick reef
yea condemn sounded amzaing
sharp meteor
arms is on par with fury in turbo
eh i feel like they're both good into diff things
elder wigeon
idk I see magnus and smexxin doing very well as fury turbo
sharp meteor
like arms like cleaves/rmp and fury likes wizards or joongle
thick reef
yeah true
elder wigeon
at the high end of the ladder it's RMP, jungle and wizards
thick reef
yea
elder wigeon
only other cleave you see is tsg and that's just mud
sharp meteor
there's uh one chinese team
thick reef
yea
sharp meteor
but yeah just mud otherwise i think
thick reef
true
sharp meteor
the animation is cool but it fkn sucks
mystic barn
we love condemn
thick reef
we love mud too he made nerco war look so good i think he was the one to expose how good the 1 shots were
now kinda sucks cuz nerco arms is meh
but still feell ike can be maybe ok in some comps
thick reef
yea but kyrian is better for arms everyone is saying
mystic barn
arms survivability is whatās questionable
thick reef
oh yeah
lucid walrus
mystic barn
ya ok and 90% of classes can just walk away from spear
thick reef
true
i still like it just that idk why ppl say nerco arms sucks i tyhin kits cuz of double lego
with glory and stuff
elder wigeon
arms cranks less than fury for sure
thick reef
yea
btw isnt there another turbo cleave at the top of the ladder with laros or no i thought there was
worthy fern
@mystic barn I messed with condemn a bit in rbgs today
Feels really nice into other plate as usual
20k non crit mortal with executioners
mortal wyvern
I hated fury until 9.2 lol
mild thunder
ok so is there an actual plan for fury/rdruid against outlaw/rdruiid
full quiver
MMR NEEDS TO GO OR CHANGE
Yup, gotta keep posting it. No reason for me to run into 1600 rated players when Iām 1400 and my MMR is saying Iām 1600 or high 1500s after losing 10 games straight to nothing but ranged immortal players. Itās nice to see some sort of activity from bliz posting in this forum but itās still broke and not fun.
lucid walrus
MMR NEEDS TO GO OR CHANGE
Yup, gotta keep posting it. No reason for me to run into 1600 rated players when Iām 1400 and my MMR is saying Iām 1600 or high 1500s after losing 10 games straight to nothing but ranged immortal players. Itās nice to see some sort of activity from bliz posting in this forum but itās still broke and not fun.
lucid walrus
ok so is there an actual plan for fury/rdruid against outlaw/rdruiid
pray u can gib or oom the druid
near delta
MMR NEEDS TO GO OR CHANGE
Yup, gotta keep posting it. No reason for me to run in...
Where did this pasta come from? Lmao
lucid walrus
forums prolly
near delta
I cant believe people actually use the blizz forums. Thing looks like a cesspool.
sharp meteor
ya ok and 90% of classes can just walk away from spear
I don't mind all the breaks, but I wish they'd fix the blink/charge bug.
mystic barn
yea its dumb how quite a few abilities have been overlooked all of shadowlands with their interactions
in regards to bugs
sharp meteor
yo yo blur still 80% dodge kms
or they could make the chain physical in dragonlands, but down to 4 seconds
mystic barn
kargish says the bug isnt real
i offered him a wow token to prove and hasnt got me the footage in 2 weeks
im waiting very passive aggresively patiently
sharp meteor
some worgen even posted logs on the forums of the dodge being 80% in pvp
the official value off blizzards ingame data is 80% in pvp
idk it's not 93% but ddef 80
mystic barn
got a link?
sharp meteor
lol no it was weeks ago
mystic barn
omg
sharp meteor
i couldn't find anything suggesting that it wasn't 80%
except bad dh players who look at the tooltip ioutside pvp
but whatever
mystic barn
inb4 karg was testing it with overpower
sharp meteor
lmao
mystic barn
from my own personal experience i cannot hit a dh at all with all my little hits
sharp meteor
idk if dh unironically needs it forblaance purposes but it is a bug
so the other thing is that it is omnidirectional unlike most dodges
so mortal strike from behind = 20% chance to hit
kind of like step kidney = 20% chance to hit
mystic barn
yea going behind them doesnt matter
mystic barn
i even have a clip of me doing a slappy on a blur dh and their health didnt go below 95%
@sharp meteor also yea it was 80%
but dh base dodge is like 13-15%
where people pull the 93 from
sharp meteor
yeah but that dodge isn't gonna work for abilities
15% chance to passively dodge shit like kidney etc
sharp meteor
i thought like all player stuff ignores it maybe not
but rng dodges and abilitiy misses broke heads so think they did away with it entirely
EXCEPT for like specific abilities passives etc such as blur evasion
lucid walrus
blur bugfix when
sharp meteor
after destro hotfix ty
mystic barn
whats wrong with destro
dry thunder
If you hit glad this season do you get the other glad mounts for this expac?
mystic barn
how can I sit at 2150 in 3s and only see r1 mlx teams
raw summit
how can I sit at 1600 rating in 2s and meet Jazgzgz who's 2000 rating
He playes with 0 cr viewers
Or relatively low
raw summit
how can I sit at 2150 in 3s and only see r1 mlx teams
Dk mmr too good 
proud root
I think the druid was like 1800 rating tho?
raw summit
Did that happen just now?
proud root
yeah
raw summit
Cuz if you Q when noone else does itll missmatch more
Since smaller pool of teams to put you against
Like ffs is not even 10 am eu yet
proud root
went against 2x assa rogue hpriest and then into jazgzgz
kinda wanna slam my face into the monitor ngl
mystic barn
only gets worse the higher mmr you get
raw summit
I love mlx i love mlx I love mlx i love mlx I love mlx i love mlx I love mlx i love mlx
warped warren
where people pull the 93 from
its actually 98%
tough compass
Just bait DH Blurr with 4 set proccs and bang him afterwards with the real juice
works everytime
fickle forge
but dh base dodge is like 13-15%
This isn't a thing btw
mystic barn
yea once you actually do what you said you would i'll listen to you
fickle forge
yea once you actually do what you said you would i'll listen to you
Fine
But have you ever had your attacks dodged ourside of Blur?
mystic barn
im not paying you a wow token though its already 2 weeks late
fickle forge
Don't need it š š
warped warren
But have you ever had your attacks dodged ourside of Blur?
i hate when i get parried on my disarms when they bladestorm
fickle forge
sand shadow
are people saying DHs have baseline passive Dodge or wut
fickle forge
QCP is just coping because he can't land any attacks on DH during Blur
mystic barn
we were talking about blur bug
fickle forge
mystic barn
you say cope harder but youve been whining about arms for 2 months
about how its an f tier class
make up ur mind
fickle forge
Eyo that ain't true
sand shadow
Blur is insanely high dodge chance and omnidirectional, ofc you don't get much through
fickle forge
If there are millions of arms warriors on the ladder I am one of them. If the ladder has ten arms warriors I am one of them. If there is only one arms warrior then that is me. If there are no arms warriors, that means I am no more on the Earth. If the world is against arms warrior, I am against the world. i love #arms till my last breath..
sand shadow
Blur is also bugged innit, it's supposed to be 50% dodge but is like, much higher, no?
mystic barn
thats what kargish says i cope about
he states blur isnt bugged
i requested him to prove it to me for a wow token for his time and says he would
then doesnt do it for 2 weeks
sand shadow
I haven't personally tested it, but it does "feel" higher than 50%. Then again gut "feels" are not facts
mystic barn
with reminders
so its kind of sus at this point
i bet he was a nerd that tested
slam overpower slam overpower slam overpower
fickle forge
Blur is also bugged innit, it's supposed to be 50% dodge but is like, much highe...
I once stabbed @wheat jay a couple hundred times and would mostly get it to roughly 50% dodged attacks
mystic barn
hundreds of times btw
fickle forge
If anything it was nerfed coming into SL š
mystic barn
it was nerfed coming into sl
nimble jasper
supposedly its bugged
sand shadow
wasn't it buffed at some point during SL?
mystic barn
yes
nimble jasper
but i also killed a dh through blur on monk the other day
fickle forge
Doesn't seem like it
sand shadow
I do get some attacks through Blur for sure, so it's for sure not 100%
mystic barn
nobody said it was 100%
fickle forge
It's definitely not 90% either or w/e people say it is
wheat jay
maybe more
nimble jasper
which even evasion doesnt
fickle forge
@wheat jay Come on and we do it again for this DK main's sanity?
mystic barn
you guys also didnt have any data to display
mystic barn
lol just drop it at this point karg
if you havent done it in 2 weeks
ur not gonna get it done in 4
mystic barn
im na
sand shadow
sand shadow
I mean, it won't be the first time where an ability did not receive direct tuning/changes and is somehow affected, so it makes sense to test
Although now that I think about it, I have no concrete examples to give out
sand shadow
yo I just tested, that shit does seem to be bugged @fickle forge
fickle forge
Do we have data? š
sand shadow
one moment, compiling
but this does imply that DejaCharacterStats is 100% correct
which might be wrong
sand shadow
oh
it's still odd that this extra %age only activated when I attacked the PvP dummy
With WM on and not attacking it, Dodge is as expected when Blur is on
Weirdge
I mean, Deja might certainly be off, since the passive Dodge portion for sure doesn't work in actual rated PvP combat
and it does still count it when attacking the dummy
fickle forge
You still have passive dodge in PvE
sand shadow
which would imply that DHs have passive dodge, which they do not
fickle forge
It just doesn't apply in PvP
raw summit
sand shadow
yeah I saw, that's why I went to the dummy
from here
someone posted this one which is why I went to the dummy
fickle forge
Lemme see if I can dig up the stuff I did with Artji
sand shadow
but this still relies on Deja being correct so
fickle forge
It's forever ago though
sand shadow
and @fickle forge I remember now what I thought was a buff
wasn't Blur bugged to give them LOWER dodge than expected?
and they fixed it?
sand shadow
no I mean in early SL, Blur wouldn't dodge
sand shadow
I might be misremembering...
fickle forge
wasn't Blur bugged to give them LOWER dodge than expected?
Ah yeah that could be it
I remember something similar
Wish there was an archive for PvP changes
mystic barn
why dont you start one then
sand shadow
I am so fucking sure it was like that, no clue why I would remember something so arbitrary if it wasn't real
but im old so
@mystic barn I did something like that a few weeks back, its kinda depressing, wanna see? š
mystic barn
how depressing is it
mystic barn
LMAO
sharp meteor
good morning i hate destro
sand shadow
@sharp meteor gm, same
mystic barn
love destro
sand shadow
@fickle forge found it
were your tests before or after 25 May if you can find out?
fickle forge
God damn you had to dig deep for that one
They were after
We talked about it this Jan
sand shadow
then idk
perhaps the only true way is to test in a Wargame idk rofl
to satisfy all lingering doubt
sharp meteor
doubt about what
sand shadow
Whether Blur granting more dodge is an urban legend at this point
or actual, provable fact š
sharp meteor
oh i forgot dh players don't have advanced options enabled
maybe they get hit by overpower and think it's still 50%
mystic barn
karg def smoothbrain enough to use only overpower in his tests
sand shadow
point is, @fickle forge apparently tested it "real world" and found its 50%ish, as expected
sand shadow
I mean, a couple hundred hits ought to be sufficient, no?
mystic barn
no
sharp meteor
it's like i go to pvp dummy or pvp instance press blur and dodge goes from 15 to 95%
sharp meteor
and in pvp nothing really hits me outside of stuns so like
mystic barn
thats not a big delta
sharp meteor
idk seems like biased 2k dh player to say that it's still 50
sand shadow
@sharp meteor yeah but the 15% baseline Deja reports
is also untrue in rated PvP
you don't have passive dodge as a DH
undone pumice
agi gives dodge?
mystic barn
i remember logging my jewelry enchant fails in bdo and had a 70% chance success with 300 tries, and they failed over 150 of them
sand shadow
it doesn't work in pvp tho?
undone pumice
lol xd
sharp meteor
you don't have passive dodge as a DH
ya ik
sand shadow
DH's never dodge my stuff outside of blur
sharp meteor
so 80% dodge
undone pumice
saw some guy with agi enchants as warr
and i asked him why
he says its for dodge in arena
sand shadow
that also doesn't work xD
undone pumice
yea
undone pumice
was funny
undone pumice
me :D
fickle forge
Gotta go with the estimates
mystic barn
nobody said 10k
sand shadow
I mean, if you do over 100 hits in blur, and it's close to 50%, i feel like that's enough
sand shadow
if it were 80% instead for example, the number would be prolly closer to like 65%
mystic barn
nah if you worked with data you would know a 100 sample size is extremely small
but you do you
sand shadow
I could be wrong
but wouldn't a "couple hundred" as Kargish put it
be indicative if further testing is required?
mystic barn
karg could have also recorded the data