pvp

[grand scaffold]

good one

[mystic barn]

thought it was born to shit forced to wipe

[grand scaffold]

i thought so too

was funny either way

[nimble jasper]

man what is with druids thinking

they can incap roar through parry

[undone pumice]

it is but ndogo is so backwards

[nimble jasper]

also

onetapping mlx healers

because they try to fade air

[grand scaffold]

eh

[undone pumice]

[open vessel]

How'd that feel into mage lock? We've been running dh fury at the 2-2.1 mmr and we've had pretty good success into them but idk how much that changes once the mlx players get good.

[elfin surge]

The 1 mage lock we qd into we won. I don't think its very good into mage lock or RMP.

[thick jungle]

I have a question, what is better for TSG arms or fury. Personally i am thinking fury pure dmg out put and can do it for a long time since tsg doesn't kill in a go but slowly melts enemy. ANother thing what spec are best in general?

[open vessel]

RIP. Wanted to have an easy time into them, well thanks for answering! The comp feels really fun and really strong though fragile I'm hoping more people will start to pick it up as time goes on.

Also I saw you're streaming again lately gonna watch back your vods later and practice my nuclear dam 😃.

[elfin surge]

[frozen raven]

fastest way to get 4set?

[elfin surge]

raid

[frozen raven]

unlucky

alright

[elder wigeon]

not even fast doing the raid lol

have to get funneled in a group that's on your token for it to be fast

[frozen raven]

i got 2 set on my mage from one raid

xd

[elder wigeon]

very lucky

[frozen raven]

yeah

[sharp meteor]

Raid all difficulties, ideally with buddies who can funnel gear, then craft 2 pieces in slots you didn't get.

or just wait a week and a half then craft everything

[nimble jasper]

@sharp meteor 0 to 4p this week

had to do 2 lfr wings tho for last slot

[sharp meteor]

fun fun

[nimble jasper]

yeah

wing 3 is aight since 3 tier bosses in one

but halondrus wing is 4 bosses 1 tier

[wooden geyser]

which 2 legendarys are best right now for arms pvp?

[undone pumice]

endurint blow

• unity

[jaunty furnace]

Should I play Necro or kyrian with an Enh sham

[undone pumice]

yes

[wooden geyser]

okay 😦 still need a long time to get revered

[undone pumice]

enduring blow takes prio

if ur not kyrian

[wooden geyser]

i am

[undone pumice]

craft enduring anyway if u dont already have em

[raw summit]

Unity Belt + eb

[fast monolith]

Hi guys which is best for 2s atm? Fury or Arms?

Or it doesn't matter?

[undone pumice]

fury

[fast monolith]

Ok thanks, as necro?

[undone pumice]

necro good

kyr ok in 2s

venthyr decent

[fast monolith]

Right I'll go necro then, thanks!

[earnest wharf]

if we get set pieces from LFR, what type of rating is needed to upgrade them or is it non-upgradable?

[full quiver]

No upgrade

[wet scarab]

You’re better off buying conquest pieces in those slots and converting them in the catalyst

They will scale up in pvp and you can upgrade them with honor as you increase in rating

[earnest wharf]

thx, damn no use farming lfr then

[warped warren]

definitely worth getting tier from any source

[grand scaffold]

heres the trick

form a normal raid group

make sure you dont give somebody else lead

and let them tell people what to do

because if you cant pve you cant get kicked as party leader

bis strategy

[earnest wharf]

lol

[grand scaffold]

thats what i did

didnt get tier

but was worth a shot

[near delta]

There's been a destro lock in my last 15 games

It's wild

[gentle depot]

what legend is meta for fury atm. signet?

[raw summit]

Signet and dm

Either works

[near delta]

Make that 19 games

I'm fucking done

[gentle depot]

mage lock everygame :^)

[raw summit]

You tried not queuing

Im p sure spell reflect Lego wont even do shit

Because the good mages would fireblast it off even as frost

[near delta]

It's War Games up in here

[gentle depot]

ive only Qd warr/ret this season. we just fullsend at the healer and if it doesnt die we lose

https://tenor.com/view/kekw-kek-bttv-twitch-emote-gif-15123134

[near delta]

Again

Yeah just cant queue rn I guess

[gentle depot]

if there isnt a frost mage/lock nerf this tuesday imma just wait till the last few weeks of the season to Q

[sharp meteor]

70% of games are frost/lock and destro/destro and this man out here queuing retwarr like a masochist

[gentle depot]

im washed up

i can only play zuggzugg comps

[sharp meteor]

yeah taking this chance to learn fury on lower alt

it's like legit jungle, mlx or maybe a turb mirror

[near delta]

I just queued against flark on destro lmao

[sharp meteor]

mlx is basically just hoping they int buttons offensively on their push

even if u win it was 7 minutes of hugging pillar

[near delta]

I keep getting MLX on like Elysian Domain

With those toothpick pillars

[sharp meteor]

yeah get me out

then they stand at the opening platform

similar thing with maldraxxus

[near delta]

Bruh

[gentle depot]

i keep getting lock/mage on lordaeron ruins

[near delta]

21 lock comps in arow now

[gentle depot]

which is giga scuffed

[near delta]

Lock mage on Blades Arena

Yeah nearly won but then die cause the lock gets 8 stack

And I jumped off but he just chases

[near delta]

Yeah that one suckssss

Nowhere to hide

[mystic barn]

Lol

Post reflex

[near delta]

Might have exaggerated a bit haha

[mystic barn]

Still a lot of warlocks lol

[near delta]

Yeah 3 different q sessions lol

This stupid rdruid last night

Legit just sat in their faces

For 30 seconds until he died

[sharp meteor]

thinkin about two weeks ago when we only queued into like one lock team

[oblique apex]

best lego for fury necro on 2v2 ?

[raw summit]

DM or signet

Ur choice really

[wet scarab]

Thing is it’s not really possible to just line their go because they can still kill you 20 seconds after dark soul goes down

[near delta]

Just need to track stacks and have something ready

@mystic barn is Phils weakaura working? Some dude shared one with me the other day

[raw summit]

Id also like to know that

[mystic barn]

It doesn’t

[raw summit]

Did you try the Arena one

If yes fml

[mystic barn]

no

I think it just tracks friendly locks

[raw summit]

Essentially i think i goofed the trigger

And you gotta change it from multi target

To Arena

[wet scarab]

All locks are enemy locks

[mystic barn]

My lock is a friendly lock

[raw summit]

All locks are our enemies

[mystic barn]

I say

“Kill the warrior”

He says

“Ok”

[raw summit]

If this doesnt work then ill get it reviewed properly

[wet scarab]

I actually have enough gear now to get 4 pc on my warlock and I feel bad about contemplating taking him into arena

Like it’s a betrayal or something

[near delta]

Damn you're a lock abuser too now?

[mystic barn]

affi abuser

[near delta]

Can't blame you. Need something to prop up your crappy spec.

[wet scarab]

I felt the same way when I switched out of night fae the first time

My alt has been destro forever so actually not fotm

[mystic barn]

cope

[raw summit]

Cope

[wet scarab]

Well tbf he had an absolutely miserable time last season

[near delta]

Uh can't find the actual wa on wago

But I have the import string

[mystic barn]

@sharp meteor only a few more days until the destro shadowcleave abuse begins

[wet scarab]

Reason I don’t think they’ll make a lot of balancing changes is the meta classes in pve right now had somewhat crappy seasons so far

[crystal harbor]

rogues :(((((((((((

[wet scarab]

Blood Dk surv hunter and destro lock primarily

[mystic barn]

surprised I’ve seen 0 bdk in queue

[wet scarab]

Rogues and mages exist outside space and time

[raw summit]

Alter time the nerfs

EZ

[mystic barn]

I for one accept our mlx overlords

Easy games

[wet scarab]

Bdk strength and abuse comes from having 100% parry throughout a mythic dungeon with large chain pulls

Not really a PvP scenario

[raw summit]

It's a uptime thing yea

[mystic barn]

nah you don’t know the strengths it has in arena

[raw summit]

If you let them hit 75 heart strikes

[mystic barn]

just you wait

[raw summit]

Gl

[mystic barn]

Won’t be surprised if it out sustains unholy in dmg

[raw summit]

Probably not

[wet scarab]

It does in mythics

Or you mean PvP

[mystic barn]

pvp

[wet scarab]

Ah yeah the conditions for abuse don’t really exist in that way in arena

[near delta]

@mystic barn Try this out https://wago.io/ejtf2iD2H

Not sure why that was a reply to that comment lol

[mystic barn]

Will do tonight or tmrw

Another gym day

[wet scarab]

We good?

[raw summit]

And ill try figure out how that works

And mine doesnt

[wet scarab]

[raw summit]

We good?

[near delta]

We don't take too kindly to destro apologists here son

[wet scarab]

We good

[raw summit]

We good 🤝

[wet scarab]

I’m an afk when mlx enthusiast

[near delta]

My man

[wet scarab]

You know what’s sad is that last season I got to try all these wonky comps because things were quite a lot more balanced and it was fun af to explore them and now it’s just like smashing your head against the wall

Tried so many warrior caster comps all sorts of different healers played with a rogue or hunter or demo lock or whatever people wanted to try out in the late season

[near delta]

I just hate dying to random shit

I tried WLS but it didn't feel great

[mystic barn]

You got to try a lot of wonky comps last ssn bc warrior was so strong it fit in every comp

[near delta]

WPS was super fun

[wet scarab]

I don’t think it was just that warrior was so strong the length of the season allowed for a lot more exploration

Remember NF demon hunters

[mystic barn]

Nah it’s literally because warrior was so strong

[sharp meteor]

for some reason nobdy played wizards last season

[near delta]

Yeah arms was like Frank's Red Hot

Just put that shit in everything

[mystic barn]

arms went on everything

Lol

[sharp meteor]

sometimes saw sp/mooner godcomp or w/e but like idk

[wet scarab]

There were a lot of different points in the season where meta comps changed, WW was meta at some point, DH Kyrian Druid, spriest, etc

[sharp meteor]

the amount of first time s2 retwarr glads inting games at 1700-1900 pretty funn tho

[mystic barn]

ww arms, dh arms, feral arms, spriest arms

Right there

[wet scarab]

Affliction was pretty great late season too after a crappy season and a half for warlocks

[near delta]

I hate playing ret/warr so glad it's not meta anymore

Just feels bad for some reason

[mystic barn]

Affi wasn’t even great

[wet scarab]

Yeah I hated melee cleaves

[mystic barn]

Deathbolt was just dumb

[sharp meteor]

deathbolt was trolling wym

[mystic barn]

lol

Seeing someone get blasted was interesting

[sharp meteor]

aff presses soul rot healer presses dispel

[mystic barn]

it was whatever if ur healer knew had to dispel soul rot

[sharp meteor]

aff does no damage because not playing triple ua

or just dies because no armor

[mystic barn]

all u gotta do is kill one person

[sharp meteor]

only time db worked was with cheese shit like vesper and even then

yeah but u don't kill anybody with db

once they know ur palying it

because u don't have triple ua

db was throwing the game idk why they nerfed meme talent

[mystic barn]

if deathbolt was the same rn

it would be really fun

[sharp meteor]

imo aff overtakes destro when people learn how to gear it and destro tier gets nerfed

[mystic barn]

Guarantee we would gun warrior first go every go

Yea affi is solid af rn

[near delta]

At this point, I don't think it gets nerfed

[warped warren]

buff arms

[sharp meteor]

idk if it's possible that destro tier doesn't get nerfed

similar thing with assa tier

or maybe they did abandon sl to work on dragonlands idk

[mystic barn]

I’ll give it about 2 months

[sharp meteor]

them neglecting current expansion to try to make hype next patch/expansion is why subs in shambles

[mystic barn]

How many months left in this season

4?

[near delta]

We saw AWC teams get shredded by MLX and Blizz was like 😴

[wet scarab]

Blizz with current balancing

Lol funny thing though is the lock pvp discord is all complaining about rmp

[near delta]

Lol

[mystic barn]

Everyone hates rmp even rmp

[wet scarab]

Like how can you complain about us when rmp is this busted

[sharp meteor]

because most rmps don't have hands

[near delta]

RMP vs RMP matchups

[sharp meteor]

most people haven't queued into rmp that actually crosses

[near delta]

Those games feel impossible

[sharp meteor]

like u cycle stuff and it's kind of okay if noobdy overlaps but they can just live for so long

and if u overlap once or undercommit u die

sham trinket grounds bust + wall then dies to a 23k evisc

[near delta]

Or they just damp you

[sharp meteor]

or priest trinket fades opener and dies from 90% in 0.4 seconds like oh

[nimble jasper]

"if he trinkets late just late bust and kill through"

[sharp meteor]

my sham is like prewall prewall 90% if i die the game is bad

and dies in a dr'd stun

idkkkk damage is just so high sometimes

[nimble jasper]

thinking rmp cares

about 30% dr

[sharp meteor]

had game vs retwarr where we killed warr in under a second through enraged regen

[nimble jasper]

first issue

[sharp meteor]

then they killed me in a second through parry in a dr'd bolt

it's like we have half the hp we should have

[nimble jasper]

well yeah

playing without hpriest also

no lay on hands

[near delta]

In 2s lately I've been noticing r/ms will just not combust in the opener

And you nearly die to just the sub damage

Then they combust

[nimble jasper]

depends really

bust opener is fine psure since you usually have another in less time than trinket will be back

[quasi minnow]

What trinket combo is the best for fury and arms?

[raw summit]

medallion + whatever u need in matchup

aegis into casters n dk etc

[sharp meteor]

depends on comp matchup leggos playstyle etc idk it's the same as always

diff trinkets better at different things

[mystic barn]

@sharp meteor have you fought d's mlx team yet

[sharp meteor]

whomst

[mystic barn]

deez nuts

[quasi minnow]

I found out I cant equip Comsic Gladiators fastidious resolve and Cosmic aspirants medallion at the same time

[lucid walrus]

correct

[sharp meteor]

fastidious seems meme

[lucid walrus]

both pertain to cc

[sharp meteor]

and yeah they're both cc trinkets

medallion adapt relent fastidious and echoing resolve all shared

[quasi minnow]

so the trinkets from the ZM quests cant be used with medallion?

[sharp meteor]

just the ones i mentioned

it even says in their tooltip

[quasi minnow]

It just me that cant read

[spice hornet]

Yeah it’s awful

Still forces a trinket

Sub dam is lowkey too high

[near delta]

And a defensive or you die cause sub burst is nutty

Then boom nothing for the bust.

[spice hornet]

Then you look them up abs they’re 2400 in 2s hardstuck 1900 in 3s and you just get depression

[near delta]

Lmao yeah

I've seen rogues who are like 2600 in 2s and 1800 in 3s like what

[wheat jay]

cuz rogues have 2 busted specs in 2s

and play with another busted spec, holy priest

[near delta]

They have 3 busted specs really shout out to double kidney and 45 second cd evasion

[wheat jay]

ah ye

outlaw is strong now too

xd

so there you have it haha

[quasi minnow]

Is Insignia or Badge better as a trinket?

[undone pumice]

passive

[quasi minnow]

alrighty ty

[wheat moon]

does ignore pain spend rage as fury? i can see it does spend 60 outside the arena. But when I join it doesnt show it on the tooltip

[raw summit]

it costs 60 in arena too

[wheat moon]

i see

are we pressing that? 🤔

[raw summit]

if we are dying

not nearly as much as arms does

[wheat moon]

that's what i thought

thank you

[lucid walrus]

resources aren't used for anything before the gates open

it's 60 though yeah

[sharp meteor]

maybe if ur like actually dead

[wheat moon]

yeah i was like maybe should i spam this? i have 0 rage and its working

[sharp meteor]

but u lose a lot of pressure when u press it

[wheat moon]

[sharp meteor]

it's just so expensive as fury

[wheat moon]

yes

[frozen raven]

should i run medallion/aegis as fury in tsg?

[sharp meteor]

aegis pretty decent into magic dam ya

can also run badge for more potent opener and goes in general

[meager gate]

is upgrading ccbreak trinket worth it for the main stat? or is it way low on the priority list of pvp gear upgrades

[sharp meteor]

all conq gear is worth upgrading

honor gear ur trying to coast by with as few upgrades as possible but rly just upgrade it, comp stomp is a thing now just fk for honor gainz

[meager gate]

true true its like, 480 honor per comp stomp? so yeah ez honor

[near delta]

Just line it they said

The game immediately preceding this one

[sharp meteor]

ah three bolts in a second for 100k dam it's just like bfa

[near delta]

Also

The infernal stunned him from the first bolt

So he was spamming his bubble

But couldn't get a global

Def a skill issue

[nimble jasper]

3s this seas

lmao

[near delta]

I'm gonna go play league or some shit. Anything is better than this. Lmao

[nimble jasper]

rmp prob fine since you can afk between drs

but mlx otherwise sounds so cringe

[near delta]

Honestly I don't even have that much of a problem with rmps which is cray

[nimble jasper]

cuz good rmps

are all higher rating

[near delta]

Yup

The ones at 2k ish are dumb af

[nimble jasper]

the 500 games at 2k rmps

[near delta]

Exactly lol

[nimble jasper]

mostly cuz mages at that rating

cant free sheep

[near delta]

Is Turbo the best warr comp into MLX?

TSG seems to be aight but can just get cooked

[sharp meteor]

Arms turb feels somewhere between bad and okay, although I'm pretty sure we're not playing into it very well.

Fleshcraft + Shimmer = escape from spear

Gate = escape from spear

Peacewaver = escape from spear

[nimble jasper]

i think hots vices turbo said

rdruid hpal turb is dece rn

[sharp meteor]

Fury feels better into wizards but I haven't played it enough

[near delta]

Yeah fury feels way better into all the wizards

[sharp meteor]

Been playing mostly hpriest turb and it feels nice

[near delta]

Get trained into the ground by cleaves tho

[sharp meteor]

I prefer rdruid but my healer doesn't like drood so

[nimble jasper]

idk whats special

about hpal turb

[sharp meteor]

so the necro setup where u basically have aoe lay on haands

then there's the offensive bops into other cleaves especially mirrors

also feels nice into rm

[nimble jasper]

oh yeah

healer has 4p for weeks

its p nice

hpal 4set that is

[sharp meteor]

hmm my pal only has 2pc

[nimble jasper]

well he raids so

its a given

to have 4p in the first 3 weeks

[finite fox]

I hit 1900 first time fury but im struggling against frost mage lock any videos or recommendations so I can push to glad

Running tsg

[elder wigeon]

save reflect for one of the double bolt casts, play bloodrage, don't face tank CD's, run a lot

[mystic barn]

thats doom

[spice hornet]

my comp stomp team

hmmmm

[sharp meteor]

I think what bugs me the most about rogue is how all their buttons except feint are off global.

[spice hornet]

yeah cant ever clap them

[sharp meteor]

Like, a ret can mess up and get caught in a global then 1-banged before he can bop/bubble/parry, right, and that's cool

Rogue is like whoops I fucked up evasion/cloak/vanish/step

1-tapped a Rogue the other day and probably only because he wasn't expecting a 20k charge crit

[shut tangle]

yo let me ask question

when im 4 set, do i just go fury

bc it seems like they are impossible to kill

and im playing his cds perfect with cc and disarms and i just cant win

please at me

[warped warren]

yea

might aswell

just press W and raging blow

[nimble jasper]

I really dislike seeing this

"I played it perfect and still lost"

because most of the time this is false

[warped warren]

ok

[nimble jasper]

feels like im reading a bruin post

[warped warren]

post cr

[nimble jasper]

post redacted

fury feels kinda stronk in 2s

not wrong though

[shut tangle]

thats what i was playing

and my 3s cr is 2,442. just resubbed a few weeks ago after a year

[nimble jasper]

also depends really what your healers are doing during all of this

[shut tangle]

yeah i mean my stats are everything are as good as i can get them except my vers is a little low

[nimble jasper]

2.4 3s

[warped warren]

i love getting freedom when im able to connect

[nimble jasper]

not bad if you just got back

[shut tangle]

yeah i hadent played in 10 years before this xpac

i def am just not sure what im doing wrong bc of the new tier set bonuses

and i dont know enough about all the classes anymore with these bonuses

[nimble jasper]

how'd you get to 2442 barely knowing classes lol

in 3s

arms bonus just kinda free damage

[shut tangle]

bc i played a lot to learn lol

im also not 4 set

[nimble jasper]

why not just finish wins for glad instead of doing 2s rn

[shut tangle]

i mean i was mainly fucking around

[nimble jasper]

what your healer is doing plays a big factor tbh

[shut tangle]

but i noticed the fury warriors we were fighting i legit couldnt kill

[nimble jasper]

does he just die in damp

[shut tangle]

i couldnt tell you tbh

also, should i be running rend

into heavy damp?

[nimble jasper]

depends who you're on

training priests prob wouldnt

[shut tangle]

hm.

im not sure tbh

[nimble jasper]

I mean this is kinda important lol

hitting non plate rend isnt as good

[shut tangle]

i havent taken rend

im just getting mixed reviews on whether i should be going fury or not

so i was just curious

[nimble jasper]

its prob better in 2s

if you're just w keying someone till they die

[shut tangle]

is tsg still the best comp for warrior rn?

[nimble jasper]

turbo

[shut tangle]

bc of chain harvest?

[nimble jasper]

i mean enh in general but yeah fat heals from chain

[shut tangle]

hmm with what heals

hpr right?

[sharp meteor]

hpriest hpal and rdruid are all nice

[nimble jasper]

I havent heard much of hpriest turbo

mostly seen rdruid/hpal turb?

[sharp meteor]

i feel like we've domed most turbo mirrors

hpal super fun with all the cds though

oh and we tried mw a bunch but it just doesn't feel great relative to either holy

[nimble jasper]

only mw turbo i saw was uh

green/joru/rick

[shut tangle]

who is a good warrior to watch now

and you guys are going spear right?

ik some people are going necro?

[sharp meteor]

yeah spear for turbo imo at least as general pick on either spec

i keep griefing my sham with necro fury on alt warr

[sharp meteor]

we queued into a few of them and it's just like

mw too susceptible to being walked or ran at

we push in and get shears on mw and they're doneski

then mw can't handle being ran at by jungle or certain cleaves

[nimble jasper]

that teams just been together forever

[shut tangle]

yo are you mitchflurry on youtube? @nimble jasper

[nimble jasper]

no

[shut tangle]

lol okay good

cuz homie has the baldy

[nimble jasper]

@elfin surge streams

idk if 3s

actually idk if he queues higher 2s even

or just ding low mmr kids in viewer games

[sharp meteor]

smexxin magnus mud idk if vice streams uhh mes

[nimble jasper]

psure vices doesnt

hes in another cord heh

[shut tangle]

yeah maybe i ujust need to watch someone for a while

cuz it just feels so bad sometimes

any recs?

[shy aurora]

They just have u someone to watch

[sharp meteor]

am i losing my mind

[shut tangle]

i looked them up and i didnt find anything thats why i asked... idk if i typed it wrong on twitch

[shy aurora]

Mudcx

[shut tangle]

ty

[shy aurora]

Smexxin

Trillebårtom

Exzistancetw

Whaazz

Magnusz

JoeFernandes123

[shut tangle]

all of them are playing fury

[shy aurora]

DjRio

[shut tangle]

do you know of which one plays arms

[shy aurora]

DjRio is arms

[shut tangle]

okay cool thank you

[shy aurora]

CERVA(mains DK tho)

Barndoorr

Truckbenny

[shut tangle]

ty bro

[shut tangle]

yo do you guys know what addon his plates are in the video

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1457297468

2:35:40

at me please if you do know

[shy aurora]

Ask him . He usually replies

[elfin surge]

[mild thunder]

is outlaw/healer actually beatable as a fury warrior?

[undone pumice]

simply play around 1m evasion cd

and hit harder

[elfin surge]

LOL NOPE

[undone pumice]

dont take dmg

[mild thunder]

70k vesper totem

POG

[warped warren]

just kill it

[undone pumice]

tru

[grand scaffold]

thats true but they are easy to miss

[warped warren]

have you tried opening your eyes?

[knotty tangle]

Try 40 sec

[knotty tangle]

Should stop watching what buttons you press, heh

[thick reef]

is it an incel trait to spam random BGs as a 4-set venthyr fury?

[undone pumice]

yes

[knotty ice]

hey guys im a little new, is there a big power difference between kyrian and necrolord fury in 2v2? im playing kyrian atm

[elfin surge]

2s meta is very anti kyrian atm

[open glacier]

yeah, priest can escape from spear with greater fade

so... that's 70% of matches because u barely see other healers 😄

[elfin surge]

Also hunter

and literally every spec in the game can bug it

😐

[rugged hare]

What about venthyr as furry then? On par with kyr?

[open glacier]

I'd say its outdated

it does not scale so well

[mystic barn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/967902395067687002.webp?size=128&quality=lossless

[elfin surge]

[warped warren]

[green lintel]

is there any way a necro fury warr can beat an assa rogue

[shy aurora]

Dble time vs hunters right? Run then them down

[nimble jasper]

kill him in stormbolt

but generally shouldnt win

[green lintel]

i think blizzard is very good at balancing 🙂

[nimble jasper]

stop doing 2s then

[elfin surge]

lol no

[green lintel]

prob should lol

but it is easier to pug

than 3s

[nimble jasper]

pugging 2s sounds like a headbasher

in itself

[jaunty furnace]

Representing fury

[elfin surge]

its fun

i actually enjoy qing with random healers from lfg

[nimble jasper]

maybe i expect too much then

when i see some major feed i get annoyed

[sharp meteor]

realistically might not be

but don't hit into evasion especially as fury

it refunds the cdr super fast

[near delta]

Wait hitting into evasion makes it come back up faster?

[green lintel]

bruh i been hitting that shit like a madman

[near delta]

I need to gear up an outlaw so I can figure out wtf it does

[sharp meteor]

oh yeah dw 99% of people hit into it LMAO

this is partially why bm gets shit on by outlaw so hard; 2 fast attacking pets (barbed shot) refundt he cd almost instantly if u have true beaaring

but yeah i think each rampage use is like 15 seconds off the cd LMAO

DONT HIT INTO OUTLAW EVASION!!

[near delta]

Wtf lmao

Does sub and assa get that too?

[worthy fern]

If they put the conduit in

But it’s not as impactful because outlaw is alreadt getting big cd reduction from restless blades?

I think is the name

[sharp meteor]

wym is it not impactful

i have seen like 5 evasions in 1.5-2 minute games because people hit into it

[nimble jasper]

yes

[sharp meteor]

between dismantle kidney evasion cdr u can't die into physical if they hit into it at all

[nimble jasper]

but only outlaw gets cdr from spending cps

[sharp meteor]

oh and short feint

[nimble jasper]

on evasion

[ancient sonnet]

Outlaw gets evasion back a lot faster. There are better conduits for the other specs

[sharp meteor]

yeah just no true bearing

[nimble jasper]

by better conduits

he just means step range

and reduced energy chost cheap for sub

[sharp meteor]

yeah i think he fried idk

[near delta]

Yeah I've realized just don't hit outlaw

[ancient sonnet]

right which are better for those specs

[nimble jasper]

altho you dont need either

for assa

maybe step range

idk

[near delta]

I can win most outlaw/healer matchups with great effort but rdruid is legit impossible if they're smart

[nimble jasper]

outlaw mw

good luck

[near delta]

That depends on the map

[sharp meteor]

yeah brother 2 extra yards on step or 15-30 off cloak and similar or longer off evasion

[near delta]

Like dal sewers you can make it work if you get on his port

Also you can crushing blow into his rop lol

[sharp meteor]

although if nobody hits into it then it loses value

but everybody does

[nimble jasper]

actually step range is like

10 yds

but yeah

[sharp meteor]

because nobody knows it exists

[nimble jasper]

35 yd range step

27s cd

bigger for sub cuz two charges

[sharp meteor]

idk if it's tilt i see r1 warrs hit into it

[nimble jasper]

cdr trait is so good into bm

no one takes their pets off

during it

[sharp meteor]

generally it's just like

off

issue in 2s is that u often can't simply swap

because mw/rdruid in africa

[nimble jasper]

unironically send evasion aggro off cd

vs bm

[full quiver]

Lmao

[nimble jasper]

does ramp count each hit inidvidually

[full quiver]

@worthy fern the evasion conduit is why outlaw is part of why outlaw is so good in 2s rnow

Just fucks hunters

[ancient sonnet]

and the popularity of hunters in 2s

[worthy fern]

@sharp meteor I was saying the conduit isn’t impactful for other rogue specs

@full quiver don’t @ me or ever speak my name again

[full quiver]

@worthy fern weak lil rogue bitch

[nimble jasper]

honestly tho idk how true this is

it doesnt seem to apply to rapid fire

[undone pumice]

yes

its why it can proc reck defenas 4x and applies slaughterhouse stacks 4x

[mortal elm]

fastest way to fill pvp vault?

[elfin surge]

dn

[mortal elm]

Dn what

[elfin surge]

rbgs tho

[mortal elm]

okay thans

usually i have never won a rbg

but will try

[full quiver]

lol

[lucid walrus]

rat cr anything will work fine

games don’t last longer than 2min usually

[sharp meteor]

gutter mmr yolo rbgs

[lucid walrus]

rbgs fast as fuck tho

[sharp meteor]

especially this week it's like 2k for daily win

[nimble jasper]

gutter mmr is memes

1v3ing kids

like its a random bg

[raw summit]

good call

then ill do that to finish

and play more tbc pepeganess

[near delta]

Yolos are something

I remember playing this one like early s2 and this guy kept calling us idiotic incels and all this stuff

I checked and the lead who was toxic af was a DH in all blues who did zero damage the whole game 💩

[undone pumice]

phil stop tbcing

without me ofc

[raw summit]

im level 15 dude

did an rfc and got a giga fat shield

[nimble jasper]

yolo rbgs

asking for specific comp

“yolo” btw

[raw summit]

yolo but we need bear tank

and x3 hp

or I wont q at 0 mmr

[nimble jasper]

i got declined by this 400 games at 1300 rbg rogue

playing adapt as non orc

needless to say i killed him 4x

in an arathi

[undone pumice]

w h a t

how much cocaine do u smoke

for that to happen

[raw summit]

6

[undone pumice]

(playing adapt)

(maining rbgs)

[nimble jasper]

yeah he was going for mines too i killed him 4x

went orc sephuz as rog to giga troll him

[undone pumice]

lmao

phil

my sham is like lvl 5

[raw summit]

lassan if u get ur ass higher i can protwarrior shadowfang keep or some shit

[undone pumice]

u think we do 2s or 3s?

[nimble jasper]

idk i kind of laugh

when i see non orc rogues

[undone pumice]

in wotlk

[nimble jasper]

in rbg

[undone pumice]

when i see rogues

i laugh

[nimble jasper]

at low mmr its free kills

[raw summit]

nelf or rogue or troll(ing)

[undone pumice]

yea

i pugged some stuff today and i fought this really shitty rm that still almost killed me cause of double resonators

and the mage just

didnt press iceblock

and rogue /afked instead of ccing me during podtender

i legit said outloud report the rogue

[nimble jasper]

I mean

[undone pumice]

low mmr rogue mages are so funny

[nimble jasper]

last season i was doing monk 2s and this rm legit won but then

the rogue comes out of stealth for no reas

[undone pumice]

yea

[nimble jasper]

and lets me incap sweep him

[undone pumice]

theyjust do

[nimble jasper]

when he has no trink

[undone pumice]

cocainr random decisions

like ???

[nimble jasper]

it was like

2.3 mmr

too

[undone pumice]

wtf

[nimble jasper]

yeah…

i didnt have trink for 20

they won in 1 go

but

🐒

[undone pumice]

rms

have sloth like reflexes

[nimble jasper]

I’ve played the shit and knew

they won

but they decided to throw

idk

[undone pumice]

and inflate their rating by abusing countdowns

/pull 10

op

[nimble jasper]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

like idk

actual like r1 rms will just

restun your trink

and kill through

[undone pumice]

xd

outplayed xddd

[nimble jasper]

also the good ones

pre cc kill target

so you cant just wall the go

[undone pumice]

u can wall inside cc tho

[nimble jasper]

depends on class

[undone pumice]

fury can

[nimble jasper]

but sap healer wait 2 secs to stun kill target

[undone pumice]

which means i can

[nimble jasper]

is such an 1800 play

[undone pumice]

tbh

30%dr

isnt enough

[raw summit]

never is

[undone pumice]

to survive either of them just alone

[nimble jasper]

hardest part to playing rm

is finding a competent mage tbh

[undone pumice]

true

[nimble jasper]

because i swear lfg is all 1600 and below mages

who cant free sheep

and live for ages on their own

SL mage its so easy to land sheeps without prior cc but most you'll find in lfg can't do it

[undone pumice]

shimmer sheep

broken

[nimble jasper]

db sheep is hard

[undone pumice]

[nimble jasper]

"i got kicked"

[undone pumice]

how

[nimble jasper]

well what if we had 3 schools

o wait

[undone pumice]

like

mages havent lost anything

theyve only gained

fire mages

not frost mages

deep freeze is kill

theyre still kiting kings

have big burst

and commit hatecrimes vs non gnome melees as frost

[nimble jasper]

honestly its funny watching lower rated mages complain about grounding totem

then you got people like zeepeye complaining why are mages allowed to mouseover fireblast his grounding mid poly

skill diff ig

[wet scarab]

just take satisfaction in the knowledge that even warlocks spend their days griping about RMP

just let them fight it out at the top of the ladder alongside the top warriors and their alts xD

[nimble jasper]

idk how locks can complain

about too much cc

literal

????

[spice hornet]

Remove alter time from fire

[raw summit]

Poly CD 18 seconds

Like the hpal inca0

[undone pumice]

i dont think the key to fixing rmp is nerfing mage

its nerfing holy and rogue

[raw summit]

Fuck mages too tho

[cyan sluice]

Mage needs it most of all

[grand scaffold]

dont nerf rogue

[raw summit]

Cringer

[near delta]

Blood rage is the best thing that ever happened to me

Won so many games cause a druid, hunter, or mage thought I was safely rooted away

[undone pumice]

yea

and non fury

[grand scaffold]

rogue is kinda in a good spot

aside from assa rogue

that 1 shot build is too much

[undone pumice]

nerf rogue

[grand scaffold]

not sub

its too fun to play

[undone pumice]

buff arms then

[grand scaffold]

im happy arms isnt good anymore

about itme

time*

[undone pumice]

when blizzard changes a 2 to 1 and the other 2 should be a 1 too but its not so the 2 is a 2 but its supposed to be a 1 because it was a 1 when the other 1 was a 2 but its not a 2 but then the 2 is a 1

how arms became bad spec

[grand scaffold]

what

[undone pumice]

ok in

normal speak

blizzard killedarms by chaning a 2 to a 1

[grand scaffold]

yeah d stance was why arms was good

and its nerfed by half in pvp

[undone pumice]

no it was 20/10 in bfa

which was dumb

but needed

[grand scaffold]

so in bfa

20/10

shadowlands

20/20

s3

10/20

[undone pumice]

then 10/20

[grand scaffold]

ouch

[undone pumice]

yeh

it should be 10/10

[grand scaffold]

i think 20/20 was fine

[undone pumice]

it should be equal

just

like

that

[grand scaffold]

dmg done and dealt need to be nerfed by equal amounts

[undone pumice]

it doesnt matter

if its 10/10 or 20/20

or 100/100

acc that would b e stupid

[grand scaffold]

rogue has feint which is 30% less dmg

15 sec cooldown

thats op right there

[undone pumice]

yep

rogue op

who coulda known

rogue having the good part of enraged regen on a 15 sec cd?

balanced

[grand scaffold]

i mean

it costs a chunk of energy

[undone pumice]

ok?

[grand scaffold]

causes you to lose a bit of dmg

but yeah

it is op

[undone pumice]

being alive = more damage

[grand scaffold]

thats true to

too*

[nimble jasper]

its negligible

[near delta]

[grand scaffold]

[still glade]

fury i should go for vers-hast-mastery? for pvp?

[grand scaffold]

❌

[undone pumice]

yea

[grand scaffold]

vers > haste > mastery

[still glade]

thanks! never played warrior before, i'm giving it a try now, gearing still

[grand scaffold]

nice

[nimble jasper]

https://clips.twitch.tv/BlueAuspiciousWalletCharlietheUnicorn-wA6xnuCTUBV6_gj0

[ancient sonnet]

seems fine

[green lintel]

Can you as a fury warrior get glad in 2s, or is it just entirely impossible?

[ancient sonnet]

Glad is only obtainable in 3s

[green lintel]

yikes... so hard to find people for 3s nowadays...

[ancient sonnet]

Yea LFG can be a rough time

[plain wing]

Are u all watching mitches stream hahaha

With this arcanosphere cheese??

Hes literally gettinf double one shots in 2300 hahah

He just did 1.3 mill damage with one arcanosphere in a bg and one shot like 6 people lined up ( granted there was a lot of cheese conditions)

Dude found the biggest one shot to ever exist

[scarlet barn]

Yea

Does it make you mad?

[plain wing]

No its hilarious

Just dinged 10 people in a straight line

Hahah

[near delta]

What happened to all the arcane mages

I remember seeing a decent number last season

[plain wing]

SL pvp was perfectly summed up in these clips haha

[nimble jasper]

glad in 2s got removed after tbc

cuz its a cesspit to balance

[green lintel]

ohh so you can actually only get glad in 3s

[nimble jasper]

used to be able to in 5s as well

[mystic barn]

highest rank you can get in 2s is elite

[nimble jasper]

does anyone wear that tho

besides late season dh and hunter players

who think they’re good for some reason

[lusty river]

Fury or arms 3’s

[ancient sonnet]

Either

[lusty river]

What if trolling with 2 warriors and a h pal

[ancient sonnet]

then it really doesn't matter

[undone pumice]

prot

[near delta]

Man Cleave

[nimble jasper]

double war sounds so troll

ngl

[undone pumice]

it is

me and phil confirm this

(tbh we just suck)

[nimble jasper]

i wonder how memey

double outlaw would be tho

[undone pumice]

itd work

cuz rogue

[near delta]

2 peeps literally can't die to other melee lol

[undone pumice]

and have no problems with ranged

cuz rogue

[near delta]

One kidneys the two off targets the other double kidneys the kill target

[nimble jasper]

outlaw actually slightly worse into wizards

than the other two

[undone pumice]

slightly

[nimble jasper]

not having step is uhh…

[near delta]

Oh right lol

[nimble jasper]

sometimes people forget how stronk step being off global is

[near delta]

Are there any other class stack comps that are actually good other than like double lock?

"Good"

[ancient sonnet]

When classes are good stacked with each other it's almost always because they're overtuned. Double mage seems to work to a degree

[nimble jasper]

only downside to double mage is your healer has to be pretty on point

with landing stuns

[undone pumice]

u can live forever

why bother

just liveuntil their dad beata them foe being up at 5 am

[nimble jasper]

still need to kill someone

eventually

xd

[undone pumice]

no no

they will dc

[nimble jasper]

prob still get mowed by hunters

[undone pumice]

does warrior counter literally any class

[nimble jasper]

lock

or used to

[undone pumice]

used

to

[nimble jasper]

well lock is overtuned rn

[undone pumice]

i mean did we ever tbh

[nimble jasper]

so hard to say “counter”

yes

[undone pumice]

outside of lock

rogues shit on us always

[nimble jasper]

uhh

[undone pumice]

because rogues shit on everyone

[nimble jasper]

🤔

not always

[undone pumice]

are u seriously

[nimble jasper]

s1 was pretty in favor of the warrior

[undone pumice]

implying there was a better 1v1 spec tgan rogue

EVER

[nimble jasper]

esp with venthyr sephuz

ferals

?

[undone pumice]

feral is just rogue

2

[nimble jasper]

not wrong

[undone pumice]

they both stealth

long stuns

[nimble jasper]

you gonna get hard fucked by ferals 1v1

[undone pumice]

fast

[nimble jasper]

cuz of the bleeds

[undone pumice]

combo points and energu

dots (assa)

and are hypermobile

[nimble jasper]

i mean 🤷‍♂️

it did fuck rogue teams

esp s1

with venthyr sephuz orc

[undone pumice]

thats just silly goofy

venthur

[near delta]

Bruh lol

[ancient sonnet]

warriors were best dps for 2/3 of shadowlands

[undone pumice]

i am conrident

[nimble jasper]

yeah mage/warrior came out of beta s tier

[undone pumice]

every class

[nimble jasper]

but mage is still s tier

[undone pumice]

in this fame

even most healers

can 1v1 an arms warrior

[nimble jasper]

someone explained it pretty well

if mage is ever bad

that means the game is fundamentally fucked

because it means cc doesnt matter

only way for mage to be bad

[ancient sonnet]

Yea warriors have never excelled in 1v1...

[nimble jasper]

arms has generally been terrible at 1v1 besides mop second wind

aka make a montage

of 1vX

1400 players

in bgs

with edgy music

[undone pumice]

it sucks because

i started playing this game cause of pilav videos

where hed just 1v1 random people and scream at them in bgs or whatever