we still doing it on big pieces alone?
#pvp
lucid walrus
dark sparrow
we still doing it on big pieces alone?
Idk, do you want the bonus on your tier piece or not
sharp meteor
thinkin about when rm players were worried they'd fall from s+ tier because bad tier bonuses
and yeah that looks reasonable
sharp meteor
same tbh
viral phoenix
Fury being that high seems odd, is it actually decent in pvp now?
viral phoenix
Hmm
raw summit
Dh but with a slow
viral phoenix
No ms tho
viral phoenix
Dont you have to use rampage like 3 times to get the same affect tho
raw summit
40% is aight
raw summit
Rampage is 4 hits
viral phoenix
So you have to be mega sticky
raw summit
4 set + ra
viral phoenix
Doesnt say per hit, says per rampage
raw summit
Ye tooltips are a bit weird sometimes
You should try it if you have 2p or better
It's fun
viral phoenix
I have 4p but havnt done arena in months lol
viral phoenix
Hell yeah, good to hear
spice hornet
https://twitter.com/Xaryu/status/1513918719499546627?t=nyQBs1VTsPlfKGNb7ahjhg&s=...
id say its pretty accurate, afflic/demo could be A tier tho, possibly S.
viral phoenix
I'm usually terrible at arena, can't seem to do any damage
raw summit
Ive found doing dam as fury to be really intuitive after playing it in raid for 9.1
Slap rb and rampage when screen lights up
viral phoenix
I'll see if i can give it another go, i usually play arms in pvp. Tried fury once and got blown up
raw summit
Good luck!
viral phoenix
Thank you, gotta see if anyone in my guild wants to take a chance on me lol
north ether
Any ARMS pvp guides to recommend?
raw summit
#268491842637660160 has some decent framwork
For pvp
However imo watch some warriors Zug it out
For me personally watching any pvp helped so i figured out what the other classes do
wet scarab
yeah fury 4pc makes your sustain damage on par with some of the top specs
there is almost no situation in which you dont have either rampage or RB available
soft zodiac
I'm arms and have all honor gear except a 1/9 conq GS right now, my vault this week has a 4/9 GS and a 4/9 chest, should I go for the upgraded GS weapon or chest?
undone pumice
weapon
soft zodiac
damn the 1800 lost conq hurts my soul š¦
soft zodiac
yes its just base conq GS
the rest of my gear is honor
mostly upgraded but that's the only conq item I have is the GS already
elfin surge
vapid ruin
sharp meteor
My hands hurt.
near delta
My hands hurt.
That means you're playing it right
wet scarab
4pc fury is a recipe for carpal tunnel
wet scarab
I do these often as well but usually after ML and RM matches
to prevent direct violence towards the monitor
undone pumice
ive had carpal for a long time and wish o knew about these exercises sooner lmao
ive been doing them for like a year alrdy and its helped a lot
sharp meteor
good afternoon i love turbo
undone pumice
i love turbo too
near delta
ive been doing them for like a year alrdy and its helped a lot
Yup. I'm a programmer and play a lot of guitar. Gotta keep those wrist and forearms healthy.
mystic barn
get a wrist rest for your keyboard
undone pumice
no
near delta
Yeah that explains the carpal tunnel
full quiver
Just keep wrist and elbow level with forearm on desk and no more issues
near delta
Also limiting tension is important
grand scaffold
gavel good in pvp?
undone pumice
gavel good
warped warren
n
wheat jay
i
sage raptor
undone pumice
g
near delta
near delta
my favorite african country
wet scarab
Do I now rum ra
RA is what completes the absolute zugfest you will enjoy with the 4p
Infinite charge with infinite raging blows
copper hare
I was totally sure there would have been pvp tuning after the last awc cup
copper hare
my classes are in a good spot but man it's frustrating facing holy in 95% of the games and still having to play against the resolve trinket
big yikes
fickle forge
Dw, the game is fixed in 13.0 š š
wheat jay
Dw, the game is fixed in 13.0 š š
13.3.5*
elder wigeon
they'll fix it in shadowlands classic
wet scarab
Man they make aura tuning whenever mage or hunter drops to sixth or seventh spec in raid dps
But current set up or warrior in pve even is an impossibility
north thicket
I think you guys aren't vocal enough, or am I wrong?
If you spend a lot of time on this game - like most of you seem to - then you have the right to ask for a proper balance.
Life as a warrior in strong wizzard/rmp seasons like late in almost every expansion is not enjoyable in any aspect. I don't see how non-stop pillar humping just to have a chance to survive these is enjoyable.
Just my 2 cents, not a pvp pro-gamer in any case. I watched some AWC these days and it felt a bit wrong.
last prairie
fury is finally viable what is there to complain
full quiver
Is it viable or is arms just worse lol
last prairie
tier set strong but also arms is weaker than before ye
sharp meteor
Is it viable or is arms just worse lol
they're
different
which is better will probably depend on what's being played more because they do better into different things
wet scarab
Except warr is good in raid
It is not
At least in comparison to the majority of other classes assuming 4pc, not some gear disparity
Arms is in the last five spot, fury is better, and neither of them are within striking distance of the top 10 specs overall currently
wheat jay
And yet they are still taken
They still have a place in raid
Their dps is still in a decent spot
And they were also taken to rwf
Iirc even more than one
wet scarab
Everything has a place in the raid, every class has some utility and is useful on certain fights more than others
wet scarab
RWF is not really what you should be comparing here, and was very much a factor of which players got 4 pc
Every class is decent in raid, warrior is extremely underpowered and falls far behind of almost every spec in the game currently assuming equal gear
wheat jay
Except fhey almost all had 4pc
They had enough people with 4pc to have some people step in for one or two bosses then back to bench
sharp meteor
Agreed buff warrior
wet scarab
Iām not sure what youāre arguing exactly, go look at overall parses on pretty much every fight on mythic and heroic and you can see warriors doing orange and pink parses only to get 8-10th spot far behind frost and demo locks doing purple parses
Warrior is simply underpowered in all content at the moment
Is it playable? Of course
Is it fun? Of course
Is it balanced? No
And the fact that it was S tier first two seasons isnāt reason for it to not be balanced
wheat jay
Fury decent on halondrus
wet scarab
-_-
wheat jay
Both warriors good on anduin
Fury 3rd on jailer
Arms good on dreads
Both bad on rygelon
Not too great on lihuvim
Middle of the pack fury on skolex
wet scarab
My man, every class is good, Iām not arguing that either spec is a shit spec overall. Iām saying warrior does less damage than the majority of classes and specs in pve atm
That isnāt a controversial point
wheat jay
95th percentile mythic btw
wheat jay
My man, every class is good, Iām not arguing that either spec is a shit spec ove...
And that's not true
Cuz it depends on bosses too
Unless you want to argue pure st patchwerk, which is worthless
wet scarab
plush cradle
Fury isn't that bad
could use some love sure, but at least it doesn't completely suck in any area
wheat jay
I literally told you how specs are on certain bosses and you send me overall from whole raid
You're a joke lmao
plush cradle
arms on the other hand is in a sad state
wheat jay
arms on the other hand is in a sad state
Dreads tho 
plush cradle
even on dreads it's not that great i think
perfect fight for arms, still only above average
plush cradle
one good fight 
last prairie
upper quartile on a fight with perfect design for it
wheat jay
Better than nothing 
thick reef
warrior is a great prog tool so ofc it was in rwf and fury is quite good on the important bosses
bit shit on early bosses tho so lots of complaints
wet scarab
You're a joke lmao
Do you know how to not be an asshole?
As I said earlier every spec will have fights in which it shines, the point is in the big picture warrior isnāt in a great place all things equal, particularly arms, which is basically inting in mythics now if you play it there
Every spec meta and non meta can do almost all the content relatively well, this doesnāt mean that in comparison to other specs or classes they donāt have to work harder for less overall effectiveness
undone pumice
fuck off pvers
wheat jay
Do you know how to not be an asshole?
No
spice hornet
im trying to understand the design of survival, why is it a melee class that essentially has no downside of being melee?
near delta
im trying to understand the design of survival, why is it a melee class that es...
They ummm can't raptor strike except with that cd so thats something
sharp meteor
im trying to understand the design of survival, why is it a melee class that es...
They had a cool idea for a fun spec where you throw/bomb shit.
I think that they'll tweak the 4pc, and/or flayed, and/or pouch
spice hornet
just fight maldiva
doing literal 23k dps
in 3v3
??/
how are you suppsoed to out heal that?
sharp meteor
idk we usually just shear/ground/peaceweaver his shit and kill his partner
compact pelican
worthy fern
Had a destro lock do 80k dps in a bg earlier with bane of havoc and 4p
undone pumice
l2p
spice hornet
yeah destro is insanely broken rn :/
jaunty furnace
Actually insane how much damage hunters do compared to warriors
undone pumice
actually insane how shit this game feels to play
jaunty furnace
Agreed
I know rank 1s and multi glads
That straight up quit this season with how bad it is
sharp meteor
hm i think it's fun but maybe some ml nerfs
undone pumice
maybe some every class nerfs
sharp meteor
lose 9% health and 4% defensive vers for 4pc hm not diggin that into rm
maybe it's tier in general then sephuz conq into rm
warm pollen
the tier piece i craft, the power on it changes if i change spec?
indigo barn
PvP changes are posted a week before hand on wed/Thurs yeah?
sharp meteor
god i wish we got pvp changes lmao
indigo barn
Don't worry @sharp meteor , we will get our singular token PvP hotfixes and all will be well again 
undone pumice
(it is going to be more aegis nerfs)
indigo barn
Increases damage taken from spells
sharp meteor
"Fixed an issue that caused Chaos Bolt to sometimes not kill its target".
I wonder if they're going to do anything with resolve or if we're just playing into meme wizard triangles for 5 months.
runic galleon
you guys liking fury or arms
elder wigeon
fury is really tilting honestly but the damage is fun
spice hornet
nerf mlx, nerf assassination, nerf surv dmg
sharp meteor
A couple tweaks and the season might be super fun.
elder wigeon
it could be yeah, the game is making me go grey in my 20's though
tired portal
should we convert chest or hands to tier peices?
tired portal
yeh thats what i was thinking
sharp meteor
it could be yeah, the game is making me go grey in my 20's though
aff/fury/mw, huh.
sharp meteor
probably just alt games
also i swear to god that spear of bastion used to put a spear on the ground
am i insane
elder wigeon
you play that? <@175350342349881344>
nope have not
lucid walrus
you guys liking fury or arms
no
plain wing
wow my fucking vault had a shitty ass ring and the fucking pvp cc trinket
THIS GAME IS SOOOOOO GOOOOOOD
like wut.
the actual fuck
catching up is impossible
plain wing
just so far behind on gear and impossible to fucking catch up
actually makes in hard to actually give a shit
when im this far behind
and at such a disadvantage
its hard to take seriuosly when im so fucking outgeared in matches
absolute fucking joke
lucid walrus
i was waiting for this time of night
plain wing
honestly just makes u not even wanna plya.
dogshit systems
hainv 5 less ilvl and 20k less hp etc
fucking cant do shit in matches
good game.
this game is such dogshit. all of the current devs should literally acquire peanut allergies and eat 3 jars of peanut butter each
lucid walrus
get in line w/ everyone else whoās afk until 3 weeks from now
spice hornet
dont you play everyday
plain wing
fucking cringe
spice hornet
how are you behind
plain wing
nah i was banned for 2 weeks
spice hornet
LMFAO
plain wing
and on vacation last 5 days
spice hornet
what were you banned for
plain wing
idk, the chat log i was linked for the ban
had me calling hunters retarded
in a bg
But yea, just hard to get into the game/ wanna play more
when youre just this far behind
and get rekt in evlery match cuz your hp is 20k llower than the other teams, among other things.
Like actually wanted to play this patch, but less so every day tbh
near delta
just so far behind on gear and impossible to fucking catch up
Literally has 2 tier pieces from barely any vaults and creation catalysts is now out AND they've increased the conquest increase by 1k
spice hornet
do rmp players
just make 4 of the same class alt
and q rmp 24/7
like damn aeghis go outside
near delta
Def don't know any people with 4 alts of the same class round here
elder wigeon
i have 3 warriors to play with whoever and badluck protect in the early season
but this season is a different beast, 3 warriors isn't enough to protect against getting 0 tier set in 6 weeks
spice hornet
that a very good idea
nimble jasper
@plain wing 266 in pvp is literally fine for 1600 matches
idk what you're complaining about
raw summit
spice hornet
hahahahh
pale minnow
Yo dudes, nowdays i'm getting bunch of classes running out of spear with nf ability and random mage blinks like wtf is this bs? Did they changed something? I know all abilites wich can run out of spear but blink and nf ability since when was that a possibility?
mystic barn
itās been possible from the start iirc
Basically you blink or nightfae immediately as you are about to get tethered back in
Something like that
The timing is super slim
pale minnow
Man how they didn't fixed this shit for so long?
spice hornet
its lways been there
pale minnow
But got time to fix chaos bolts killing you hollyfuck these devs
spice hornet
andthey will never fix it
pale minnow
andthey will never fix it
Cringe, this just means how worthless they are in their own job
mystic barn
Itās like when they broke slappy hands since they wanted to fix it from pulling rogues out of stealth, so now when you get cced during slappy it never grips
And itās been that way pretty much expansion long
nimble jasper
spear tether has an icd
raw summit
And the spell is ur top damage
mystic barn
yea the window is really tight though
pale minnow
Man when a class's top dmg is melle and dots you know that shit is braindead
Assa rogues š©
nimble jasper
thats most melee
nowadays
they wanted to āincrease the importance of white hitsā in bfa
raw summit
Hey you welcome back to classic
nimble jasper
sub would prob be in a similar situation
pale minnow
My man if we play with this logic me as fury should slap top dmg in melle all day all night, yet my melle dmg is like 5th
nimble jasper
50% attack speed buff
mystic barn
if most sub players werent dumb as shit
isnāt the bis rogue off hand still the sanctum dagger tho
nimble jasper
will do that
raw summit
My man if we play with this logic me as fury should slap top dmg in melle all da...
In pve it's higher and actually above bloodthirst usually
nimble jasper
for raid yes
idk pvper rogues are dumb
slow offhand is a huge dmg loss for sub
yet they still play it
near delta
so you trigger the pull
I've been wanting to test charging or intervening into a @cursor leap macro. lol
tired portal
https://twitter.com/Xaryu/status/1513918719499546627?t=nyQBs1VTsPlfKGNb7ahjhg&s=...
every day i wake up hoping for a reversion of the dstance nerf
spice hornet
lmao\
raw summit
Would this work with leap or vene
spice hornet
yyeah i htink but its so hard to time
and if you waste one of those
its badd
meanwhile it doesnt matter if fire mage fails his double shimmer NF blink
because hes immortal
raw summit
I hate shimmer I hate shimmer I hate shimmer I hate shimmer
mystic barn
I hate shimmer I hate shimmer I hate shimmer I hate shimmer
I hate mages blinking while in a stun
raw summit
I hate mages blinking while in a stun
Played fdk in 2s and almost had a bruin Moment with mage blinking away from me and spellstealing freedom
spice hornet
kekw
raw summit
Ye i respec'd uh 2 games after
mystic barn
tbf I havenāt tried 4pc frost in 2s or even 3s much
spice hornet
partywafflez?
raw summit
And then got sad that only slappy did dam
mystic barn
yea atleast with unholy you only get countered by dh bm hunter sv hunter hpriest and sometimes warrior
and assass rogue
raw summit
Me thinking Details was bugged that it didnt Show crypt fever when in reality it didnt do dam
mystic barn
It probably got dispelled
Crypt always does dam, just does more dam if someone heals into it
big
mystic barn
Itās mainly about popping wounds and necrotic uptime
Crypt fever dam isnāt the highlight
raw summit
The ā35 sec apoc is p cool with aotd tbf
mystic barn
itās 26 sec, but in reality more like 15sec lol
raw summit
Btw should i be pressing virulent plague
mystic barn
yes always keep it up on multiple people for rotting mana bar
raw summit
mystic barn
Me thinking Details was bugged that it didnt Show crypt fever when in reality it...
Oh did u apoc a spell reflect
Probably crypt fevered urself
raw summit
I didnt face any warriors
Ill dig up some Details of a game or two once im home
4p on wari 2p on dk today
mystic barn
Ayy nice
Iām going up about 10 ilvl today swapping out parts and blizzard being gracious enough to give me 1100 conq
raw summit
Warriors isnt guaranteed but it's 7 slots so i have to get it
Ye the conq cap getting bigger is great
I despise wearing s2 items
mystic barn
Iāve had 3 trinket vaults this patch so far
raw summit
My first vault was so unlucky i got proc trinket
indigo barn
Any tips with fighting double ranged on mugambala as ret/Warr in 3's?
raw summit
Then i had to take 278 vers haste pve ring
lucid walrus
Any tips with fighting double ranged on mugambala as ret/Warr in 3's?
never play top if you can help it
simple rock
forgive me father for I have sinned
raw summit
Trust payed off
simple rock
we're still playing
we've tried double necro, 1 kyrian 1 necro, and double kyrian
so far double kyrian seems amazing
sharp meteor
conq banner mastery and speed stacking really is the funniest thing
spice hornet
if signet procs bladestorm when ur disarmed does it remove the disarm
i keep trying to test it but it always procs avatar whenever im disarm
@sharp meteor i got like 200 something speed with double necro banner 3s
mystic barn
so far double kyrian seems amazing
If you both overlap the spears in a specific way, people can get stuck ping ponging between them
I wouldāve thought double necro would be bis zug tho since banner can stack
sharp meteor
if they don't have an answer for spear then doing the double monk thing where you yo-yo them back and forth so they can't cast etc might be super good
but double conq might also be great
simple rock
yeah we've been doing the ven diagram spear
it's really funny into mage
double necro sucks into casters you just don't have enough uptime and then you lose
near delta
So question: Currently in robodrome. Beat a DH/Hpal team. Got a crosskill on their DH and they killed my priest.
HPal is currently just mounting around a pillar
And I cant catch him not running bolt lol
spice hornet
u dead
near delta
I guess just wait 12 more minutes?
Ohhh you know what I think they killed my priest first
So they just insta win
Not sure
So shitty lol
vapid ruin
finally after 3 seasons of shadowlands,i got my first 2h in the vault
near delta
LMAO killed him
Just needed to jump fear and charge him aruond the pillar with reckless abandon
raw summit
Excellent new duck @sharp meteor
spice hornet
LMAO he let you
sharp meteor
It's how I feel after lord Mud caved my skull in.
near delta
Yeah sounds like he doesnt care about 2s cr and was just trolling
Umm
What is sickle of the lion?
raw summit
It's how I feel after lord Mud caved my skull in.
Ill swap to it if i dont get 4p
sharp meteor
What is sickle of the lion?
Feral 4pc, Berserk applies big dot to everybody nearby.
sharp meteor
Think of it kind of like an aoe Feral Frenzy which is basically a dot version of Warbreaker if that makes sense.
You've got to trade something or you'll melt.
near delta
It's basically like assas one shot if they do it right
sharp meteor
Berserk on long CD
and normally doesn't really do anything
but now it's a big dot so
sharp meteor
It's basically like assas one shot if they do it right
Not quite that potent but you already need to be paying attentiont o feral frenzy + swarm + feral frenzy
for the big dot that'll do like your whole health bar
can kyrian potion all that + flayed shot off but only once per game
near delta
Yeah I think my healer just underreacted
simple rock
the amount of salty whispers you get playing double warr is insane
laughing my ass off rn
raw summit
Fury arm or double fury
simple rock
double fury mainly
we tried arms for a few games but it didn't feel too great
but it was into double wiz so maybe better vs melee cleaves
manic tree
but what about the meme potential of double prot to fish for those juicy critting shieldslams?
mystic barn
need 4pc for that
raw summit
undone pumice
once u get ur 4pc we play prot fury for funny memes
manic tree
it feels so good šš»
tiny dagger
i want to make a second signet/unity set for pvp with haste vers. i have 5/5 teir so i can swap my 4 set around from my raid setup. besides signet ring where are ya'll putting unity at ?
raw summit
once u get ur 4pc we play prot fury for funny memes
I refuse to play with or as prot
undone pumice
too bad
raw summit
Yes u bad
tiny dagger
ok ill go legs i guess since bigger str budget and tier chest is already haste vers compard to legs being crit haste
raw summit
Ill get 4p now and then maybe level my ret
tiny dagger
are yall running gavel in arena ? wondering if its worth losing stats for the proc
undone pumice
gavel is good
once u get tge pro
u can swap to ur regular 2h
but u need to swap to 1h+shield first
u lose 2 gcds in total
still mauve
If i have 4k cosmic flux, can I upgrade 2 pieces to tier pieces then?
azure willow
uhh guys i changed my legs pvp gear into tier set and now it dosnt have versality , is it normal ?
azure willow
uhhhhh ok , i guess its still worh it
upper citrus
any general tips vs unholy DK? i know thats kind of vague but at this point i feel like anything will help they just walk on me
raw summit
slappy hands is what kills u
dark sparrow
Yea gtfo on slappy hands and run pillar, plow him when itās done
earnest epoch
any prot warrior guide
low sparrow
Any one play fury in twos wondering what the game plan is I see a lot just train the heals
raw summit
u go on whats easier to kill/connect to
devout sigil
as a fresh 60, how do i most effectively gear for pvp? what sort of ilvl do i need to not get SMASHED in arena starting out
devout sigil
so grind honor gear and then when i can afford conquest get that?
devout sigil
ok thanks very much
spiral marsh
4set today??? vault pls daddy
vital pagoda
Most effective htalents into double feral / generally convoke feral as fury and starts?
Been running HP badge and 15% increased rally to counter their "norupt" convoke goes.
Also mm hunt feral seems to be nightmare when I feel I need to drop both enduring and betatrance for disarm and rootbreak.
Any good starts against them ? I feel like when we face them with my rogue buddy i almost get 100-0 in couple globals even tough I'm +80k unbuffed and 37vers
wet scarab
lmao betatrance
vital pagoda
In +1.9k-2k bracket
vital pagoda
lmao betatrance
wet scarab
is convoke that scary? I feel like the health pools this season generally allows you to outheal it
and you can enraged regen in stun
vital pagoda
Also don't even have 2 set yet sadge
vital pagoda
is convoke that scary? I feel like the health pools this season generally allows...
I wall into trinket rally + badge and still almost everytime die to it if I don't burn fear and leap too.
Mm hunt feral and double feral is just bullshit with a bad smell
wet scarab
why do you burn fear if they're immune to cc
vital pagoda
Can't wait until borrowed powers are gone
vital pagoda
why do you burn fear if they're immune to cc
Both use kicks and i fear and or leap to range it
I mean
Don't work tough with mm
Need to arm his go too while getting convoked every min
wet scarab
I don't really know how you beat double druid without 4pc and RA tbh
vital pagoda
š
wet scarab
or druid hunter
ever since I got 4pc I think I've won most hunter druid games by killing them in a recklessness window but before that they were gatekeeping me
you do need bloodrage though if you want to be able to catch them outside convoke windows
full quiver
I wall into trinket rally + badge and still almost everytime die to it if I don'...
if it's feral you can just parry lol
oh my bad i missed the fury party
earnest zodiac
has anyone done any testing with single minded fury?
was wondering if there is any benefit just speculating
grand scaffold
just the 1h having haste
no other advantage
dmg is lower
stats are lower
health is lower
actually
5% speed
but thats meh tbh
earnest zodiac
yeah you can get that off versatile ring
i am wondering if it has a niche use case, but who knows
im just an arms warrior pepega playing TSG
grand scaffold
just play the spec you enjoy they as good as each other at this point
fury has higher pressure
arms is slightly tankier
arms burst is like 4x higher tho
probably fits better into tsg
earnest zodiac
yeah we also prefer the control arms offer cause we are playing with an hpal
so having war banner, disarm, and a few other tricks feels good as necro arms
only 2050cr atm so i wont really fuss
earnest zodiac
its fucking hard dude
grand scaffold
yeah
earnest zodiac
we were 2250 mmr, 2kcr and like were playing almost exclusively r1 alts or current meta threats
it was fuckin SWEATY
even my 1800 alt the games are like yo why are you so sweaty
open glacier
arms burst is like 4x higher tho
arms burst higher? than 4pc fury RA?
earnest zodiac
arms burst higher? than 4pc fury RA?
yes
open glacier
I mean I only played with 4pc as fury this season, not pushing yet but its fucking nuts I asure you
low sparrow
I mean I only played with 4pc as fury this season, not pushing yet but its fuck...
Necro?
open glacier
y
earnest zodiac
i agree, i have played both. but arms spikes way higher. The 50% chance off tactician giving a flat 8% strength is fucking nuts
open glacier
20k crits (12+8k) on plate with crushing blow (improved raging blow with RA)
and spamming it
earnest zodiac
yeah but like, i just get a normal hit 16 ms and proc it for a double swing lol
i have literally 100-0'd people in a single global
i think i have a clip of me hitting maldiva with a 41k execute and him losing his shit.
open glacier
and every crushing blow charges
its nuts
I have to try arms that for sure
is HC jailer wep good in arenas?
earnest zodiac
yeah i get that, but fury feels really fuckin bad if you cant conncet
its pretty good
but if you have two conq weaps i cant personally justify it
open glacier
no conq weapon yet, 2x272 PVE weps
earnest zodiac
yeah i mean thats passable
im just saying, overall arms has a far higher burst window and control. fury is just wayyyyy better pressure
open glacier
Idk, I see fury better in 2s this season
earnest zodiac
thats 2s, im talking 3s haha
earnest zodiac
yeah, helps to have that vital piece of info lol
open glacier
š¤£
earnest zodiac
open glacier
I mean sure, in 3s with CC banner, defstance, parry and SS arms is better or at least looks better for sure
earnest zodiac
i think those points translate as well to 2s, but what im referring to is burst / spike damage
open glacier
but fury self healing and preassure in 2s looks nice at the moment, only stomped low rating ppl but well, it works
earnest zodiac
arms feels okay for me at the moment playing tsg
full quiver
i think tsg helps against a lot of the things arms struggles with so that makes sense
earnest zodiac
absolutely agree, my DK is frost and covers a lot of my blind spots, so i can focus on playing control
my job is to basically banner and then watch him more shit down
full quiver
i really want to try unh fury tsg lol
earnest zodiac
i played that up to 2k
its fuccking gnarly
people just get SMUSHED in a go
but if you get kited
it feels pretty fucking awful
full quiver
have u tried double time w/ warbringer into casters
full quiver
i feel like a wrecking ball vs lock/mage lol
earnest zodiac
okay that may be a massive uptime tick
im also like 5050 on when to take impending
full quiver
i play signet so root clear w/ BS makaes up for no blood rage
earnest zodiac
but my healer prefers me arms so guess im in arms jail
full quiver
i play impending into cleaves / jg
full quiver
yeah i got it from Mud and it slaps lol
earnest zodiac
cause normally i take rage vs frost mages cause i wanna die
full quiver
guy ports away during cds hit him with a 13-19k charge
takes gate, hit him with another lol
earnest zodiac
Its kinda brtilliant
full quiver
sb feels like shit with that trinket casters run and then you usually have to LoS cds anyways so IV not super helpful
earnest zodiac
yeah i almost dont wanna take it
where im at atm its all ml and rm š¦
@full quiver what you quein lately?
full quiver
dh/fury 1x a week for vault, about to start actually playing again now that we're 2 weeks out from full tier for most people
took a break to play elden ring
earnest zodiac
got it
jaunty furnace
Everyone enjoying the increased conquest cap? Now we can actually buy items xD
sharp meteor
ya good change, hope they keep it like this
feels super nice to be able to afford more than a single small piece weekly
sharp meteor
boy does spending rage on ip feel bad as fury
shadow pollen
What pieces are optimal to have set on?
Guessing shoulder, head, legs and gloves
for arms
earnest zodiac
where is this data from
tired portal
where is this data from
i think its xunamate
wet scarab
balance? their tier set isn't that great
weird
it's nice in an arms tier bonus kind of way
but not completely op like warlocks
fickle forge
?
sharp meteor
Delet wizards
vital pagoda
Idk, I see fury better in 2s this season
I hit +2k as fury rogue w/o tier alrdy and we'll mud also confirmed while back fury>arms in 2s in 3s arms is superior but just bc of utility.
fickle forge
Melee are so mad because casters are finally viable in this game itās pathetic. Warlock and mage havenāt been viable all expansion now they have this trinket and everyone wants to cry
vital pagoda
Melee are so mad because casters are finally viable in this game itās pathetic. ...
Tbf If y loose to lock and didn't stop gate it's just git gud issue
vital pagoda
Xd
Well when u put it like that
But tbf war + heal should never lose to lock+heal
On paper at least given there's no gear advantage
If we talk about 3s I'ma shut up
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wet scarab
ah makes sense for RBGs
undone pumice
Melee are so mad because casters are finally viable in this game itās pathetic. Warlock and mage havenāt been viable all expansion now they have this trinket and everyone wants to cry
burnt heart
Mage been viable all expac tho
jaunty furnace
Mage has been meta since the start of the game
undone pumice
wet scarab
affliction last season 
sharp meteor
Aff seemed okay or fine.
vital pagoda
So RA > AM as fury when we get 4set ? At least for 2s
Since fights are so burst/opener intense anyway.
At least for double DPS, with healer and playing the "long game" AM still prob better right?
earnest zodiac
So RA > AM as fury when we get 4set ? At least for 2s
RA is good because of how often youre proccing
elfin surge
my name is dees
shut tangle
hey guys just a quick question about stat weights. So my stat weights are 23 crit, 19 haste, 9 mast, 26 vers
Should i be dropping my haste more?
steep inlet
No
sharp meteor
More vers mebbe
spice hornet
how are they ok with survival dmg rn
ancient sonnet
All dmg right now is insane
spice hornet
everyones dmg is high but some are just over the top top
ancient sonnet
Saw Cdew put out a vid of Destro and a fMage breaking through AMZ...
sharp meteor
Saw Cdew put out a vid of Destro and a fMage breaking through AMZ...
I mean, yeah. Cleaving bolts with all cds will punch through that in no time.
sharp meteor
how are they ok with survival dmg rn
Tier and/or pouch nerfs eventually here, maybe.
mystic barn
Saw Cdew put out a vid of Destro and a fMage breaking through AMZ...
my record on my amz breaking was 2 seconds so far
near delta
my record on my amz breaking was 2 seconds so far
Big dome should be buffed with wizards so strong rn
near delta
I'm just talking about the pve nerf they did last season
mystic barn
80% dome just shatters far faster than 20% dome since it takes 4x the dmg
sharp meteor
also wishing they'd add a reward for 2.7k or something
mystic barn
dome also scales with dk hp
sharp meteor
I'm just talking about the pve nerf they did last season
80% reduced dam with no cap was fucking insane
near delta
Yeah I agree lol
sharp meteor
even if it was bugged or w/e to only work on dk i don't remember what happened with it
mystic barn
yea the 80% only worked on the dk like s1 or whatever
if it had infinite hp cap again it would be super sick in this meta but super busted lol
near delta
Dk into dk both running it on each other's goes was so dumb
near delta
I mean when it was really effective yeah
raw summit
if it had infinite hp cap again it would be super sick in this meta but super bu...
you saw that mes clip where dome breaks in 3 seconds?
mystic barn
nahh i dont really watch wow stuff
but i wouldnt be surprised
mlx cleave shatters mine extremely fast
or it doesnt bc everyone flees from my dome on my team, even saw that in awc lol
mystic barn
mud x5
jaunty furnace
Fury turbo!
raw summit
id wanna try fury w mage
jaunty furnace
frost mage is insane
sharp meteor
i was for a lil and got knocked down by turbos
were u the fury/ww
sharp meteor
turbo seems nuts
it's super fun
spice hornet
oh yah im playing that now
mystic barn
it's super fun
being on the receiving end of 2 chain harvests a min is kinda sus
spice hornet
it is. it is super fun comp
sharp meteor
enh has a lot of setups they can run now
mystic barn
im chillin oh im dead im chillin oh i actually died
sharp meteor
between like the lava lash hot hand thing, wolfbones, there's the 4pc, spirit wolves, ascend+doom, fast harvest
my shaman sounds so happy
mystic barn
1700 rep until i dont need to walk into zm anymore
ancient sonnet
Fury Fmage works?
raw summit
between like the lava lash hot hand thing, wolfbones, there's the 4pc, spirit wo...
enha is in a great spot rn
just hope the pve andies dont get it nerfed
sharp meteor
i feel like there's no chance enh doesn't get some nerfs, probably to pve (which carry over into pvp) then a nerf to chain harvest and/or their big op conduit
maelstrom one
sharp meteor
Fury Fmage works?
Fury/Fire? Sure.
ancient sonnet
Got a mage bud who will only play frost.. good times
sharp meteor
That can work, but I think a lot of games are just going to be him under too much pressure to get any damage out.
A kind of weird one that should be more popular is mm/frost or mm/destro, imo
near delta
id wanna try fury w mage
Ive been wanting to try this but every fire mage is either going for caster cleave or rmp lol
wet scarab
lol at this graph
the moment when all the fire mages who can't play RMP switched to MLX
graph cut off at the bottom but it starts march 6 and then every week on the x-axis
elder wigeon
wow one spec looks to be overperforming by a lot
wet scarab
yeah those hpals are crazy op now!
elder wigeon
hpally is really really good
wet scarab
it is, they are the original resolve trinket
elder wigeon
lol what?
wet scarab
joking just bop and dps
I was playing with a guild mate who wanted to try necro hpal and he was critting ridiculous vanquisher's hammers
while being tanky af
I think I'm going to switch back to arms though, the stupid gameplay of fury is lowering my IQ and it's not worth it just to shit on hunters and druids
sharp meteor
had a match vs splay and i see the lock doing like 25k in opener
and felt anxious until i saw my pala doing similar hps
it's like oh we healthy neat
hpriest deletion when
sharp meteor
nah it is actually so excellent
nimble jasper
my friend has had
sharp meteor
will be mega solid whenever hpriest gets around round of nerfs
elder wigeon
hpally isn't as good as hpriest but they're close
sharp meteor
my hpriest is 285 and 4pc so it's kind of warping my perception of games right now
nimble jasper
i saw a 4 set fury with like 80k hp
at 1.9
on my alt
was carrying some egirl priest
elder wigeon
man he'd be 1300 without 4 set
sharp meteor
hm my 2pc warr and 1pc warr are similar mmr but haven't played them both very much
elder wigeon
fury?
sharp meteor
nah just kyrian arms and maybe a handful of necro games
nimble jasper
we only lost the game
elder wigeon
2p for arms isn't a big deal
sharp meteor
i don't like change
elder wigeon
2p for fury is a big deal
nimble jasper
cuz my pallyās targeting bugged
elder wigeon
4p for fury is insane
nimble jasper
and his heal wasnt casting
sharp meteor
also played into a fury warr last night who pressed ip 3 times in almost 10 minutes
i was torn as to whether or not you just full send dam to hopefully out pressure
because ip rly cuts into rampages
elder wigeon
it's not that bad
sharp meteor
it's like 30k dps to my face for 30 seconds
elder wigeon
need good raid cooldowns like dark or amz or dome
sharp meteor
limb does so much damage with pi aaaaa
elder wigeon
I run aegis into every dk
if it's a frost dk, i disarm the dk over the warrior
dk is so disgusting
sharp meteor
maybe it's like disarm the conq/reck into bolt then defensive spear hmm
yeah disarm on pillar is pretty big
elder wigeon
i mean you're gonna get spam oblitted for 20k's
while they outheal your damage
but it doesn't really matter they can trinket your disarm with zero consequence because they save ibf for any stun in the opener
you can trinket fear leap if you want and throw reflect up, but keep in mind reflect doesn't work on abom limb
sharp meteor
yeah the immunity things on their big go kind of super scary
elder wigeon
i love immunities so much
sharp meteor
doesn't it reduce the dam if nothing knocks it off?
sharp meteor
felt ghetto as shit playing it into tsg and retwarr last season because uptime was actually decent with mirror
but yeah too much shit can knock it off
howling blast boom gone
sharp meteor
yeah agreed
too unreliable
i have played enduring every game and just crafted sephuz + high ilev conq piece set for rm
except for last night where first few games i didn't have a leggo and thought i was super unlucky getting zero enduring procs hmm
elder wigeon
with tier set interaction with enduring blow, you lose way too much damage anyways
yeah sephuz is nice into rmp
sharp meteor
mirror just seems so low value
and so unreliable
hey i reflect games sike mage fire blasted it off while in a cast
i get poly sike fire blast
elder wigeon
well just about everything in this game rips it off
the skill required to use spell reflect is too high for the value you get out of it right now, at least at higher ratings
sharp meteor
yeah not worth, especially with how good enduring is
its like hey buddy wanna pretend u can reflect stuff or passively do like 10%+ more dam
plus just rng creating kill windows is great
flat isle
sharp meteor
Only thing where mobility can feel questionable is like jungle if the hunter is super clean.
well, like, the whole team.
full quiver
mirror just seems so low value
i feel like mirror should last 2 seconds and reflect anything in that time frame
maybe that'd be too strong though lol
wet scarab
I think a smart way to do it that wouldn't be op is it reflects only casted spells, not instant casts
undone pumice
i mean
spell reflect was like a way to counter dhs flying move in bfa
u just reflected bombs til ur sr ran out and then los
wet scarab
well it would actually be effective against mages and priests that just fire blast or SWP you to remove it
wet scarab
they'd have to actually either stop casting and wait or waste time casting a fireball or w/e
so it would actually work as a defensive cooldown
undone pumice
Melee are so mad because casters are finally viable in this game itās pathetic. Warlock and mage havenāt been viable all expansion now they have this trinket and everyone wants to cry
wet scarab
heh
gritty salmon
God I love fury now
nimble jasper
@sharp meteor thoughts on running into 81k hp people at 16 hundo
@plain wing claims its common
plain wing
did i say 81k?
im confused.
I said i was running into people between 75-80k quite frequently on my 8 game losing streak, where their dps would just tunnel my healer and own em.
granted some of them had priests.
undone pumice
it is uncomfortably comon
nimble jasper
yes
nimble jasper
I mean I never said there couldnt be any
but anyone with that much gear usually sucks so
free win
plain wing
bruh, you literally move the goalposts to your arguments more than anyone ive ever met.
Holy shit.
plain wing
I literally will say something
nimble jasper
cant just accept you play bad
plain wing
then you will say thats not possible, and then will lose that argument
nimble jasper
post the games from this season
plain wing
and then will move to, "NO IF THEY HAVE THAT ILVL THEYRE SHIT"
nimble jasper
that was the whole point
plain wing
like keep fucking scapegoating m8
sharp meteor
Bruin due for another meltie
plain wing
Mich
nimble jasper
def wasnt cuz couldnt handle a reality check
sharp meteor
You can't quit PVP before you collect the latest welfare dragon.
spice hornet
bruin q some 2v2 as arms double dps
nimble jasper
how often would you run into
plain wing
id rather play in traffic @spice hornet lol
plain wing
I ran into plenty around 75k
nimble jasper
75 is 80?
plain wing
when i was doing the 1800 games with my healer buddy who was 1900 at the time
I literally said 75-80k in the other channel
can u fucking read bud?
nimble jasper
ok and
plain wing
holy fuck
sharp meteor
<@129440991294783488> have you been able to log back in
No, sir.
plain wing
youre impossible
nimble jasper
266 pvp yoy have almost 70k hp
nimble jasper
its not an unwinnable game
sharp meteor
I can't even get to realm select.
plain wing
I never said "cant"
spice hornet
same
sharp meteor
Bruin shut up idk what you're talking about but you're probably wrong lmao
plain wing
I said it wasn't fun goin up against teams that were outgearing me
nimble jasper
cant climb
sharp meteor
Have a beer and go next