pvp

[raw summit]

Pets kinda slow

Ye stand on one grip other and go seems doable

But i like uh more

Since i burnt out on frost in pve

[sharp meteor]

unh also feels nice into wizards and there's a lot of those

oh and rogue/mage ofc

i imagine it just feels bad into joongle and some melee cleaves?

[earnest wharf]

turbo just reverse swept jungle on AWC 🙂

[mystic barn]

yea you need to macro pet dt leap and pet stun

[wet scarab]

how does anyone enjoy the cheese feral convoke playstyle

[wheat jay]

same can be said about many things

[jaunty pelican]

Hey guys, for necro fury if we have access to 4pc tier, do we use it in pvp? Or just 2 pc? Or is it just straight haste vers gear

I really haven't done any pvp yet this season, been too caught up with pve

[raw summit]

How do i get the leap to stop having the autocast glow thing cuz rn it just insta fires

[mystic barn]

right click it

[raw summit]

Requires a macro im guessing?

[mystic barn]

same with stun

no you just right click it on pet bar lol

[raw summit]

Oh

Lmao

That's great

[mystic barn]

Gnaw
#showtooltip
/cast Gnaw

Leap
#showtooltip Leap
/cast Leap

Focus Leap
#showtooltip Leap
/cast [@focus] Leap

[raw summit]

You also un-autocast gnaw?

So it's more on demand burst?

[mystic barn]

bite?

gnaw or claw?

[raw summit]

Gnaw

[mystic barn]

yea so you have an on demand 2 sec stun

so you dont ruin dr's

[raw summit]

Ye i noticed that a lot when facing them

Lotta weird stuns

Thanks man

[simple rock]

yo is disarming unholy ever worth it?

[mystic barn]

np

uhh

when you dont want them to deathstrike really

or if they run unholy assault

[raw summit]

Stops deathstrike

[mystic barn]

unholy assault is a 20% haste steroid

[raw summit]

Also stops wound popping

So u can let healer breathe

[mystic barn]

ya cant apoc or scourge strike while disarmed

ive never not been disarmed while a warrior is already 6 stacked tho lol

[raw summit]

Through the necrotic wounds

[simple rock]

ah ok. so usually better to hold for the warr if you're fighting tsg

doesn't sound like massive value to disarm unholy like frost

[mystic barn]

yea you would prolly wanna do that, but still disarm frost now bc glacial cleave

opening gate with 30k cleave is silly

[fickle forge]

Usually use Disarm offensively against UDK

[near delta]

Definitely use the 4pc. It's massive damage.

[graceful quarry]

if you are not using tier set when you have it you are sabotaging yourself

[elder wigeon]

that's true

very true

normal tier set >>>>> 285 pvp gear

tier sets are just so overwhelmingly broken for every class

[obsidian creek]

it be pumping

necro fury so nice

[elder wigeon]

20k dps is all fun and games until you still almost lose doing 20k dps

[undone pumice]

20k dps shouldnt be a thing just because haha i got better rng

[wheat jay]

Shouldnt be a thing at all, whether you got lucky or not 😂

Its dogshit

No matter what class does it

[undone pumice]

i mean

if u did 20k dps in some expansions u werent even autoing were u

[wheat jay]

?

Not sure I get what you mean

[undone pumice]

some expansions had bigger numbers

so it should be a tging i prefer having huge numbers

[wheat jay]

Ahh

Ye haha

But in current numbers it shouldnt be a thing

[undone pumice]

yeah i agree

it should be a pve thing

a m+ thing tbh

[wheat jay]

Ye

[elder wigeon]

i mean you can do like 100k dps in m+

depending on your class

[wheat jay]

You also pull 20+ mobs

[elder wigeon]

it is what it is

[wheat jay]

It really is haha

[undone pumice]

i did like

50k dps in a m+ because we pulled half the dungeon

for a solid bit

[near delta]

Except fire mages lol. None of them are using even 2pc in awc.

[elder wigeon]

imagine being so broken tier set is worse

[near delta]

When you put it that way, game sounds toxic.

[elder wigeon]

fire mages aren't that good outside RMP

but in RMP, fire mage is beyond broken

same with sub rogue

although thug is really good rn

[near delta]

Is it so much fire mages aren't good on other comps or that there are just better alternatives comps for the other specs they usually run with?

Like locks are gonna run with frost now

And well every other caster

[elder wigeon]

No, fire mages just aren't that strong outside of a comp that has insane lockdown

fire mages have two awc viable comps atm and that's WW/war fire mage and RMP

fire mage can't really be nerfed more because it just means it's only viable with rmp and that's it

I'd like to see fire mage be reworked

same with frost mage

the root of almost all problems in shadowlands is a design issue

[worthy fern]

I bet feral fire mage would be pretty decent atm

Wirh convoke

[elder wigeon]

nah

[worthy fern]

Prob just worse rmp but you could make it work

[elder wigeon]

people have been trying to make it work

it just doesn't

[worthy fern]

You’ve seen it?

I haven’t seen it played since like s1

[elder wigeon]

I've played into so many multi r1's trying to make it work this whole expansion even now

they just can't

[worthy fern]

Ok then

I’ll take your word for it

[elder wigeon]

it's cheesy that's the best way to put it

[worthy fern]

Sounds decent on paper though

[elder wigeon]

no different than WW ele hpal, that zilea gum and dew play

giga hyper cheese because of vesper

if your whole team is dedicated to killing the vesper totem asap and controlling the ele, you can't lose but if you fuck up once, game over, you will die to 120k+ dmg in 1 second

[sharp meteor]

uh it's okay but you do evenytually hit a wall with it i feel

maybe it'd be good with hpriest

[elder wigeon]

against them I was 100% health, I lept to kill the vesper totem and as I mortal striked it I got hit for 120K dmg when i landed

[sharp meteor]

u queue into the dew?

or robot

hate vesper

so much

[elder wigeon]

it was dew

I just can't believe vesper hasn't been touched this whole expansion

[sharp meteor]

cos nobody plays

zz

[elder wigeon]

good teams will kill it insta

[sharp meteor]

it'll be stormkeeper then fling vesper during

[elder wigeon]

but if you're a melee cleave with limited mobility you just get fucked on

[sharp meteor]

kill skyfury

it's possible but like

just pls nerf by like 60%

cringe cheese

that shouldn't exist

[elder wigeon]

lmao killing skyfury reduces the 1 shot from 120k dmg to 80k or whatever

[sharp meteor]

we just stop stormkeep usually

[elder wigeon]

you can ground the damage when they move the vesper

and it shuts it down completely

nothing to radiate if the damage doesn't go off

[compact heron]

Hey guys been a while, is fury still kinda a meme right now in pvp?

[sharp meteor]

fury good

[elder wigeon]

fury is very good, i think arms is better though

better for your mental health anyways

fury depresses the fuck out of me

I feel like I have zero agency as fury

Like, dh has more utility than fury

only thing fury has over dh is 40% ms, which I think is weird because dh does more than enough damage to equate to the same pressure with their 25% mortal strike

[wheat jay]

Just wait till you get 4set and get 200% more uptime on reck

[elder wigeon]

that's fair I guess

I only have 2 set, dh doubles my damage somehow

[wheat jay]

Cuz dh with 2set is big

Warr is not

4set tho

[sharp meteor]

fury seems like it does more single-target

[elder wigeon]

I'd rather have stronger AOE

which fury does, but makes it hard to maintain 40% ms

harder I should say

as arms I feel like I'm more free to kill totems, spam hamstring, swap targets

[wheat jay]

Id think its easier on fury

Since everything is free except rampage

[elder wigeon]

you lose battle trance and frenzy stacks

[wheat jay]

Oh right

[worthy fern]

Fury if you do anything you lose slaughter

Which is had

Bad

[wheat jay]

Wait, you lose them if you rampage diff target

[near delta]

I feel completely helpless into rmp as fury. While I'm (mostly) in control on arms

[elder wigeon]

it takes a while to build slaughter up

[wheat jay]

So you only lose battle trance

Unless you bloodthirst

[worthy fern]

8 stacks > all pretty much

[wheat jay]

Just destroy totems with bloodthirst, if its a bigger thing then lose battle trance I guwss

[worthy fern]

I enjoy arms war more but I have no tier

[wheat jay]

You still build rage killing them with those

So you shouldnt rly lose Slaughter unless you're kited

[worthy fern]

It’s really easy to lose slaughter

If you have to kill tide or psyfiend

Intervene someone

anything really

[elder wigeon]

yeah you have like 2-3 seconds at BEST with 100% uptime to reapply it after getting 80 rage

[wheat jay]

Well, its a 40% ms

Its quite strong

[worthy fern]

I haven’t played fury in a while but games felt best when I could just tunnel someone and try and keep as much uptime on slaughter as possible

Healers can’t deal with constant 40 percent

[wheat jay]

Makes sense for it to have a tight window to reapply

[fierce kite]

which is the best pvp soulbind for kyrian arms?

[elder wigeon]

Mikanikos usually

[fierce kite]

thank you

[elder wigeon]

that's what makes it aids

i'd love if it lasted 10 seconds and only needed 1 stack

but be 30%

[mystic barn]

perma mortal strike uptime feels a bit weird ngl

atleast if its a flat amount

[wheat jay]

Almost everyone Has some ms too

Its now more normal to be debuffed with ms than not xD

[elder wigeon]

why do you not feel it's weird for arms warrior?

[undone pumice]

pretty cringe

warrior doesnt have that much unique stuff anymore does it

[elder wigeon]

No

[undone pumice]

only intervene and reflect?

[elder wigeon]

locks have a better reflect

[undone pumice]

war banner too right

[elder wigeon]

paladins have ultimate sacrifice

[undone pumice]

warrior got powercrept

[elder wigeon]

war banner pretty much

[undone pumice]

[elder wigeon]

every class has a 25% ms these days

[undone pumice]

ok but who has more than that

only warr?

[elder wigeon]

but when it comes to fury having a regular ms WHOA SETTLE DOWN THERE

class identity!!!!

[undone pumice]

i mean thats fury's class identity

the dps warr without ms

[elder wigeon]

fury needs to do more than 25% more damage than arms to have the same pressure

[undone pumice]

however

[elder wigeon]

which it doesn't

[undone pumice]

it's class idnetity is also to be a drain tank

which it isnt

[worthy fern]

Sharpen isn’t even the best sharpen anymore

Since shiv exists

[elder wigeon]

lmao

i mean sharpen is 20% stronger than shiv relatively speaking, but shiv lasts 50% longer and increases their damage by 40% with 2p and their nature damage by like 30% or some shit?

[worthy fern]

Yea

[undone pumice]

lmao

[worthy fern]

Conduit and tier tho so it’s not forever

[undone pumice]

why cant warr have anything

[worthy fern]

Just the whole expansion and this season for the tier

[elder wigeon]

i mean sharpen rarely does anything anymore

[worthy fern]

Yea

[elder wigeon]

rdruids, hpriest and hpally can top someone from 10% through sharpen

[worthy fern]

Healers top someone regardless

[wet scarab]

Sharpen is quite useless outside of BGs and deep dampening at this point and no games take that long

[undone pumice]

nerf healers

nerf dds

[elder wigeon]

damage and healing needs nerfed

[undone pumice]

for good measure also nerf warr survivability again

remove ip

[worthy fern]

It’s not useless but in a world where everyone has a ms effect it feels less special

[elder wigeon]

warrior is just straight up annoying to play rn

[wet scarab]

The reason healing feels completely op to most of us is most us don’t have the one shot setups. Healing done doesn’t matter when you send a 90k demon bolt

But serenity does matter when you’re in warrior execute range

[elder wigeon]

it amazes me blizzard hasn't fixed spell reflect yet, how everything pings it off

they literally don't give a fuck

[worthy fern]

Sharpen feels even worse ina hpriest meta too

[undone pumice]

i saw a vlip where a guy sent a bolt on another lock
the bolt is midair
the other lock gateways, he sends another bolt and just kills him in 1 frame

xd

[wet scarab]

That may be the only example of being outplayed by demon bolt

[undone pumice]

u outplay urself at that point

[worthy fern]

Games just miserable atm to me

[elder wigeon]

warrior spell reflect got fixed in 5.3 and they broke it again at some point

[worthy fern]

Take classes that were already hard to play against and give them 20-30 percent power increases based on rng and its jsut ass

[undone pumice]

resune just

swap to an mop priv server lmao

[elder wigeon]

no, there's no competition there, no titles to be had, nothing matters there

[simple rock]

idk man private server players are some of the sweatiest wow players in existence

people play the same xpac for 10years

[undone pumice]

then dont play a pvp minigame and go play a game with pvp centric balancing

[elder wigeon]

[worthy fern]

What kind of bs answer is that

[wet scarab]

As we Arabs say, private servers are like farting on marble

[undone pumice]

what

fart on marble

[wet scarab]

It doesn’t leave a mark

[undone pumice]

[worthy fern]

Arenas are fun just in a shit state atm

[undone pumice]

game isnt balanced around it

why bother

uninstall wow go play minecraft

[worthy fern]

It quite literally is balanced

Well

They try

[undone pumice]

not well enough

[elder wigeon]

they literally fixed reflect in 5.3 they just haven't cared about their game in so long

reflect gets pinged off by a light mist

[undone pumice]

reflect gets pinged off by a windy beach

[wet scarab]

It needs to not reflect instant casts or dots

[elder wigeon]

eh it just needs to not get pinged off by shit that does 20 damage

or blazing barrier or lightning shield

shit like that

[wet scarab]

Ooh what if it stores damage over time and reflects it at once

So like 4 seconds of absorbing all spell damage

Then send it back in one go

Lol reflect the whole duration of death bolt

[elder wigeon]

just make it actually usable

reflect is so dogshit right now

I think it should reduce magic damage by 30% again

so if I'm full rotted i can run behind a pillar and reflect for a wall

[sharp meteor]

1-2s duration reflect would be neato

also most ghetto thing i did last season was misshapen into retwarr to reduce rets magic dam

[near delta]

Lol

[uncut mulch]

just to clarify, am i lagging or is it actually possible to spend a global on execute and have it do FUCKING NOTHING because they get healed over 20%

[sharp meteor]

i haven't had it not go through

if anyhting i have had it go through turtle etc

get owned hunter nerds

[near delta]

I randomly reflected a chastise stun in an rmp opener the other day. Game quickly spiraled from there.

[sharp meteor]

surv players don't shower

[uncut mulch]

i've had multiple instances where i press it, get the animation, use the global, but i spend 0 rage and do 0 damage

[wheat jay]

Had point blank demonbolt hit me through turtle 1.5s after I activated it

Checked deathlog

Shit's wack

[wheat jay]

Excuse me, just took a shower

[undone pumice]

demonbolt sloe

[wheat jay]

Point blank tho

Its instant dmg

Had executes go through it too, dunno what triggers it

[undone pumice]

spaghetti code that also glitches and lets rmp lose

[wheat jay]

Nah nah, that's a rare moment when rmp forgets to do /pull 3 before a go

[undone pumice]

rare moment where i dont /afk when the gates open and 66% of the enemy team is stealth

[wet scarab]

How fast does a demon bolt go? No chance it left the lock’s asshole before you pressed turtle?

I have killed hunters through turtle before I think they just clicked it a split second after the melee swing went through

Loser hunters not respecting recklessness

[mystic barn]

It goes fast but the closer you are to someone the lower time you have to press turtle

so he probably got shotgunned

[wet scarab]

I take a lot of satisfaction from killing people who wait until the last second to press defensive cooldowns

Like the warrior who waits until 30% to parry and gets disarmed

[elder wigeon]

is arms the only spec/class in the game that can't press a defensive cd while disarmed/silenced?

[undone pumice]

can we not press rally?

[elder wigeon]

we can rally, but that's funny you think 20% health is gonna keep you from dying to cds

[undone pumice]

more like 46% with the talent and conduit

still not enough anyway

[wheat jay]

Can't press mine with pet in cc

But ye i think arms is the only one

[elder wigeon]

turtle?

[wheat jay]

I meant sacrifice

Fury loses a bit of value when disarmed too

[elder wigeon]

not as much as arms

[wheat jay]

Ye

[wet scarab]

Fury can impending victory even while disarmed

Which is funny

[elder wigeon]

so can arms

[wet scarab]

Yeah but are people taking it now instead of bolt?

[undone pumice]

do ppl take impending even as arms?

worth?

[elder wigeon]

sometimes

warrior is a fuckin joke defensively rn especially against jungle

[wheat jay]

Against anything really 😂

[near delta]

It's insane I'll sit right on top of my healer and they still get every trap off

[undone pumice]

this is what it feels like to play warrior right now

[elder wigeon]

back in the day trap was actually hard to land

[nimble jasper]

chanimal malded so hard

after having to try so hard

[elder wigeon]

would require a stun or incap every single time, you couldn't trap off nothing, ever

[nimble jasper]

vs a bm hunter

[near delta]

Oh is he back on retail now that destro is good?

[nimble jasper]

psure I’ve seen jellybeans land traps off legit nothing

nah he malded off

after an hour of 2s

[near delta]

Lmao

[elder wigeon]

lmao 2's

[nimble jasper]

its actually insane how bad you can be at hunter

and win off dmg

[elder wigeon]

destro needs echoing resolve and 4 set to be tolerable and even then it's a mald fest but you 1 shot people all the time

but even then hunter sac hard counters destro damage

[nimble jasper]

yoy can still demonbolt twoshot people

post nerf

[wet scarab]

Sad how a trinket and borrowed power is what makes a class

[nimble jasper]

warlock always becomes insane with borrowed power

and tier

[copper hare]

pet sac doesnt even work vs Chaos bolt

[nimble jasper]

happens every expac

[elder wigeon]

almost every class needs borrowed power to even function after wod/legion

[elder wigeon]

why not?

[nimble jasper]

craven needs to be removed though

[copper hare]

Ask warcraft devs

[nimble jasper]

prob cuz bolt crits by default

[mystic barn]

cant ibf when silenced

[undone pumice]

what fuckinf expac didnt have borrowed power??

[elder wigeon]

but nothing can crit into sac, wtf is that about

[wheat jay]

Can't sac chaos bolt tho

[elder wigeon]

lmao

[mystic barn]

cant sac pillar of frost oblits

[nimble jasper]

tier is basically borrowed power

too

[mystic barn]

since they will always be crits

[wheat jay]

It still crits

So sac is useless

[copper hare]

if you think hunt counters destru lock, you're on some good shit

[mystic barn]

it still give you damage reduction

its not useless

lmfao

[wheat jay]

It doesn't

[elder wigeon]

unstoppable force vs immovable object, i guess the force wins

[wheat jay]

Sac is not wall

[copper hare]

What kind of dmg Reduction lol

[elder wigeon]

20%

[wheat jay]

Its only crit def

[mystic barn]

20%

[elder wigeon]

better than d-stance

[undone pumice]

[wheat jay]

Read ability again xD

[mystic barn]

20% of all damage taken by that target is also taken by the pet. Lasts 12 sec.

[near delta]

TBC?

[undone pumice]

tbc had tiersets

?

[nimble jasper]

remember when hunter pet actually died

[nimble jasper]

now unless hunter is afk

one mend pet

[wheat jay]

Also

[nimble jasper]

xd

[wheat jay]

Is a keyword there

[near delta]

Ohhh yeah true haha

[mystic barn]

seems to me its a 20% wall

[wheat jay]

Its not

[elder wigeon]

how?

[nimble jasper]

oh also

[wheat jay]

Its 100% on Hunter, and 20% of that is duplicated to the pet

[mystic barn]

ah

that is also

[nimble jasper]

why does lock have an instant pet rez

[mystic barn]

ok

that makes sense then

[nimble jasper]

[wheat jay]

I wish it was 20% wall lmao

[elder wigeon]

feels like it

[wheat jay]

Its not

[mystic barn]

feels like a wall

tbh

[wheat jay]

Its only crit immunity

[elder wigeon]

nothing dies through sac when I pop every cd

[wheat jay]

You can't crit, so kinda makes sense

That's why it cucks mages

And monks

[undone pumice]

and everyone

[elder wigeon]

why does it work against mages but not locks and dks

[wheat jay]

And is useless against destro

[undone pumice]

[mystic barn]

because dk pillar is auto crit

and always crit

[wheat jay]

Cuz chaos bolt is guaranteed crit

Its always crit

[elder wigeon]

combustion is auto crit always crit

???

[undone pumice]

no

[nimble jasper]

i love hunters who petsac air

[wheat jay]

And combust is +100% crit kinda

[undone pumice]

it just sets ur crit chance to 100%

but

fireblast or whatever its called the instant

[wet scarab]

This sounds dumb

[undone pumice]

can still crit

[wheat jay]

Guaranteed hardcoded crit vs bonus crit chance

[elder wigeon]

fuckin retarded lmao

[wheat jay]

Well

[undone pumice]

yeah this is big brain time

[wheat jay]

Spaghetti code

Nothing is consistent

[elder wigeon]

guaranteed hardcoded crit vs immune to crit which wins? guess crit wins

[mystic barn]

i should elaborate though, killing machine oblits go through sac, its just that everyone always runs obliteration during pillar whole expac for pvp lul

[wet scarab]

The ability is technically a wall though outside of that since preventing crits is a damage reduction

[undone pumice]

unless 0% crit chance

[wheat jay]

Unless something is not based around crits

[elder wigeon]

you can't have less than 5% crit

[wheat jay]

Like full haste warr, doesn't rly crit much

[elder wigeon]

I'm full haste with 15% crit

[undone pumice]

yeah

[wet scarab]

Still has like 12-15% crit chance

[wheat jay]

Ye, I have like 20%

[elder wigeon]

roar of sactifice cucks fury warriors the hardest

[wheat jay]

Fury, ww, demo, Elemental, fire

[elder wigeon]

it's an annoying cd

[wheat jay]

Well

Not a % wall

[elder wigeon]

make it a 20% wall and everyone will be happy

[wheat jay]

Just crit immunity, sometimes it can do absolutely nothing

Since some classes dont rly play around crits

[copper hare]

https://clips.twitch.tv/ColdLuckyTrayBabyRage-3b8Ty7-Ga3xz-ew5

That feral had pet sac up btw

:)))

[elder wigeon]

I'd play more crit if low haste didn't feel so shit

[wet scarab]

Is the frost mage PvP talent a crit immunity or crit chance reduction

Because it’s pretty tilting

[nimble jasper]

idk whos more scummy in that

the team playing mlx

or bm jungle

both giga brainlet comps tbh

[elder wigeon]

MLX is scummier

[wheat jay]

Seeing how feral got oneshot

Id say mlx

[elder wigeon]

that's now how I'd rationalize it but ok

[nimble jasper]

mlx is best comp atm

[elder wigeon]

ferals can't die unless you 1 shot them tbh

[wet scarab]

Just want one season where mage isn’t s tier

[elder wigeon]

even after the extensive nerfs

[wheat jay]

Id argue

[elder wigeon]

it can happen, just like warrior isn't S tier

[wheat jay]

Feral isn't so tanky now

[elder wigeon]

it's unkillable for the most part

[copper hare]

It's not

[wheat jay]

Frenzied doing 0 healing now

[wet scarab]

Ferals die pretty quickly to fury in reck windows because they can’t kite

[elder wigeon]

lmao

i wish that was true

just sac the feral = can't die

[wheat jay]

Lmao

That's just not true

[copper hare]

Resune what's your character name

[elder wigeon]

bear + bark + sac = can't die through 2x frenzy regen

Enu

[wheat jay]

Frenzy doesn't heal much now

[elder wigeon]

I also wish that was true

[nimble jasper]

anyone else remember when ferals could just

[wet scarab]

Any Druid within range of a fury warrior with reck and/banner up is pretty dead

[wheat jay]

9 casts healing 150k

[nimble jasper]

heal through mindgames

passively

[wheat jay]

That's not much

[mystic barn]

anyone remember druids

[elder wigeon]

try not playing jungle, and play a regular warrior comp and then see it from warrior perspective

[mystic barn]

having 90k fleshcrafts

[wheat jay]

Me?

[elder wigeon]

Yes

[mystic barn]

artji doesnt play jungle

[wheat jay]

Ah yes let me just count how many jungle games I played

[elder wigeon]

hunter not playing with a feral?

[wheat jay]

Counting

[elder wigeon]

wtf u doing

[wheat jay]

0

[nimble jasper]

rmp and jungle are both too tanky

[wheat jay]

I played kfc

[nimble jasper]

for how their comps should be

[elder wigeon]

good ferals can't die

[wheat jay]

Now they can

Last season they couldnt

[nimble jasper]

also most feral players either furries or psuedo intellectuals saying spec is higher iq than rogue

[copper hare]

Yes, will change when they nerf holy by that much that disc will be the move again... next expansion hehe

[elder wigeon]

I've played into too many r1 ferals that run forever and literally cannot die

[wheat jay]

This season?

[elder wigeon]

yes lmao

[wheat jay]

Hmmm

[mystic barn]

i liked when rmp didnt have chastise

[elder wigeon]

hunters die way easier than feral

[wheat jay]

Do more dmg i guess

[elder wigeon]

LOL

[wet scarab]

I don’t know if anything really dies to arms anymore but fury sustain kills all druids especially with RA

[wheat jay]

[nimble jasper]

then the hunter chain procs 4p

and you get spam bombed

[elder wigeon]

if I had 4 set sure I could probably slaughter ferals

but I'm a 2 set gamer and RA isn't that sick without 4p

[wheat jay]

Ye i love those 10k crits ❤️

[elder wigeon]

RA is super cool because you can spam 25K crushing blows on mages and they don't die

[wet scarab]

Yeah 4 set pretty much neutralized the hunter rdruid meta for me in 2s

[nimble jasper]

also I’ve seen a stupid number of 4 set furies

below 1.8 when queuing alt cap

[wheat jay]

Every fury has 4set

[elder wigeon]

I don't

[nimble jasper]

wtf are they doing so low

[wheat jay]

You're not furious enough Resune

[elder wigeon]

I'm not lucky enough

[wheat jay]

That too

[wet scarab]

That’s selection bias, a lot of warriors who have 4 pc choose fury because it’s easier

[elder wigeon]

12 raid clears, 3 pieces of tier to my name

[nimble jasper]

havent seen too many 4p rogues however

[copper hare]

2.1 felt weird this time with me and healer having no set into 4p furys/assa/destru

[elder wigeon]

I'm done with the raid

[copper hare]

I wanted to kms

[elder wigeon]

not doing it anymore, too much work for nothing

[wet scarab]

I tried playing arms with the 4pc and it just wasn’t fun, it’s like investing in bonds

[nimble jasper]

2.1 felt fine idk

just hunter every 2 games

ucking cringe

[wet scarab]

And hard to maintain the buff with the amount of kiting that happens

[copper hare]

hunter priest is free points though

hunter druid meanwhile..

[nimble jasper]

nah hunter druid

cuz rdruid players

[elder wigeon]

it's pretty fast to get 4 stacks of pile on though

[wet scarab]

Hunter Druid with fury 4 pc and bloodrage is pretty easy actually

[nimble jasper]

actual monkeys

[copper hare]

ah with 4pc ty

Can talk in 2 weeks again

[elder wigeon]

necrolord arms with 4 piece should be able to do nuclear damage with badge

[nimble jasper]

friendo killed some rdruid in opener on rogue

cuz man decides to sit vendetta sepsis

[elder wigeon]

will let you know in 4 weeks when I get 4 set zzzzz

[wet scarab]

In raid situations with almost full uptime on bosses the buff has 90% uptime, I don’t know how you can maintain that amount of tactician procs and CS on classes that can actually kite you

It’s fine against melee cleaves

[nimble jasper]

sit a full kidney vendetta sepsis

[dusty saddle]

jesus lol

[elder wigeon]

hit pets for uptime

[nimble jasper]

tranq after kidney ends

die through tranq

[elder wigeon]

uptime on pileon only matters if you're actually on target

0% uptime on pileon with 0% uptime on target is hardly an issue

[wet scarab]

Well sure but you aren’t getting the 8% str ever usually

It’s always a little less

[elder wigeon]

the 50% increased chance to proc tactician is really nice too, not just the strength

[nimble jasper]

2set wws are funny

watching dhs die to just fof

[elder wigeon]

lmao

[nimble jasper]

no sck proc

[wet scarab]

Sure it is a nice bonus but it’s nothing really compared to fury’s efficiency in using the tier bonus

[near delta]

I was gonna try it out. All that strength sounds nuts.

[wet scarab]

Can you switch specs in arena btw? As in fury to arms in certain matchups

Or can you only change talent

[mystic barn]

talents

[nimble jasper]

spec only

else every rogue just goes outlaw into hunters

[wet scarab]

Sadge

I want to spec prot exclusively into WW

I feel like I always somehow manage to fuck up my CD trades against them

[copper hare]

wouldn't be surprised to see prot getting nerfed into the ground after rextroys new video

already seen a few prots yesterday trying some oneshots in arena

[elder wigeon]

good, oneshots need to not exist

[undone pumice]

warlock and rogues can stay ingame tho

rogues do the same shit tbey always have its just

so incredibly fucking annoying

specially sin rogues tho

fuck em

[sharp meteor]

I think Assa tier and/or sepsis conduit will get nerfed, along with the double bolt + infernal stun bonus.

Vesper needs to go.

[nimble jasper]

assa 4p

needs a nerf

[wet scarab]

alter time needs a nerf

so does the CR loss from RMP

[simple rock]

triple 20k fof

no images

[undone pumice]

trolled

[indigo barn]

Just disarm the FoF ez

[simple rock]

I guess it was serenity weapons of order but they never even ccd

caught me with my pants down

[spice hornet]

doees anyone feel like they kinda overnerfed aegis

it like legit does nothing into mage/lock

[mystic barn]

aegis nerf was fine it’s just both are wildly overtuned right now

just have to wait for their nerfs

[sharp meteor]

just gotta hard run on deathborne

and hope lock doesn't have tier :>>

[spice hornet]

lol yup

was hard lining but got stuck for a lil and popped it but it felt like it didnt do anythign

[sharp meteor]

i imagine tsg is fine/good into it

turbo feels kind of mixed

retwarr is go next

[spice hornet]

ye i playretwarr

wish i knew a dk or enh

[sharp meteor]

shambles

ya i only know enh although he has ret friend who has poked me a few times

i like how flexible enh feels into the wizards, plus offhealing in general gives us options

[grand scaffold]

gear your dk

probably best idea

warriors are way more common than a dk is

[raw summit]

Learning new classes takes a while

[grand scaffold]

thats true

but dk is very easy to learn

cc is small

just keep ice chains up

and use grip

[raw summit]

Uh has a lot of Buttons

[grand scaffold]

really?

i found it less than arms

it was like dh lvl buttons

[raw summit]

silence asphy assault blight fat thingy and spellsteal is 6 optional Buttons

Already

[grand scaffold]

yeah

but how many buttons are baseline

its not many

surv hunter is what has a lot of buttons

[spice hornet]

surv and spriest soo many buttons

[grand scaffold]

^

also monk

[raw summit]

Coil fester sourge ourbreak dnd lichborne ams amz ibf apoc dt army deaths advance chains control undead death pact

[grand scaffold]

monk has like 3 buttons that you are supposed to use but dont fit into the rotation

[sharp meteor]

ww is a broken mess

shadow is msotly just had in the supporty aspect

[grand scaffold]

thats like 18 buttons

[sharp meteor]

surv took like 7 buttons from bm

[raw summit]

It's a lot more than fury

[sharp meteor]

unh seems like mostly pet autism

[raw summit]

That aswell

[sharp meteor]

yeah fury kind of barebones lmao

[raw summit]

Pet leap pet stun

[sharp meteor]

like actual games ideally (I think) are your dk pressing chains on shit

[raw summit]

Dare i say petkick

[sharp meteor]

and you just unga bunga raging blow and rampage

sometimes vene

[grand scaffold]

fury has the same buttons as unholy dk

ill log over just now and check

[raw summit]

You press 4 Buttons

[grand scaffold]

im quite sure its a similar amount

[sharp meteor]

u don't us emost of them lmao

nope lmao

my pet as unh has similar binds to fury

[raw summit]

RA rb ramp and charge

[sharp meteor]

although fury is weird to play

[grand scaffold]

BT

[raw summit]

If u have to bt ur bad

[grand scaffold]

spamming whirlwind is bad

[grand scaffold]

like how

you use rampage

raging blow charges

[raw summit]

Get more procs man

[sharp meteor]

rampage raging blow owo

[grand scaffold]

when you run out then what

[sharp meteor]

don't run out owo

[raw summit]

That's ur issue

[grand scaffold]

lmao

[raw summit]

Dont run out

[sharp meteor]

just get 2pc owo

[raw summit]

True

2p so bedge

[grand scaffold]

i dont have the set bonus

[sharp meteor]

i wanna try fury more but arms feels so nice in turb

into enemy cleaves

[raw summit]

There's ur issue

[grand scaffold]

ill try arms in turbo cleave

sounds fun

[sharp meteor]

lmao be luckier

also tuesday = 1 piece

[grand scaffold]

yeah

hopefully another 1 from vault

[sharp meteor]

so vault + catalyst hopefully 2

yayaya

🙏

[raw summit]

I have a raid lockout for last 2 tier bosses

I gotta yoink one and then im 4p next reset

[grand scaffold]

i wish i could raid

[raw summit]

Fury ezpz in raid

[grand scaffold]

yeah i know that

my guild just doesnt raid -_-

[raw summit]

Since u already do pve in arenas

Pug it??

[grand scaffold]

you can get a heroic raid in lfg?

[raw summit]

Ye

But nhc is enough

I pugged jailer no issue normal :)

[grand scaffold]

whats nhc

[near delta]

I was trying to learn surv. Holy crap it's soooo many buttons.

[grand scaffold]

yeah

its over 30

actually its over 34

i cant fit them on my bars

[near delta]

I literally have to drop a bar when I play DH lol

[grand scaffold]

yeah dh bars look funny without having enough buttons

i started dragging every pvp talent and useless button on my bars regardless how useless the button was

[raw summit]

Not heroic aka normal

[grand scaffold]

ah ok

i wish alliance had mercenary

they so bad at bg's

just loss after loss

[raw summit]

Oh right ur ally

Gl with pug raids

[grand scaffold]

lol

[raw summit]

Not even kidding alliance is so much worse

It's abysmal

[grand scaffold]

i know

alliance is bad at anything with a large group of people

aside from rbg's

anybody know if sp is strong or weak?

im seeing way less of them since last patch

[indigo barn]

Not weak just boring

You are just there for fae spirits and to be the target dummy

[grand scaffold]

sp runs night fae now?

[spice hornet]

thought they nerfed this ability?

[warped warren]

surely

[undone pumice]

just stop their ramp

[warped warren]

yeah

lmao

[undone pumice]

[warped warren]

just stop their every cast by pressing 2 ccs every time

[undone pumice]

just play rmp

and u will be able to

[raw summit]

@undone pumice u free todas

[nimble jasper]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/tzwusa/maldiva_driving_uber_just_randomly_rants_about/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[raw summit]

Mid day tsg?

[nimble jasper]

warlock players

btw

[warped warren]

sorry i dont play cringe compd

[undone pumice]

uhhh midday as in

[warped warren]

ps im a destro main

[undone pumice]

12?

[raw summit]

Ye

[undone pumice]

no

[raw summit]

12/13 whatever

Or later

[undone pumice]

im in kiddie jail (school)

[raw summit]

Free entire day

Tmr too

Lmk once out

[fickle forge]

God that was painful to watch

Both clips

[elder wigeon]

I refuse to watch cringe clips because my 2nd hand embarrassment is too strong

[jagged zephyr]

hi is there an updated 9.2 guide? can only see 9.1 in pins

[knotty atlas]

They are 9.2 , the text was just wrong. 🙂

Updated it.

[jagged zephyr]

ah awesome

is it prefered going haste > crit for both specs atm?

[undone pumice]

mwahi

[jagged zephyr]

reading it now for arms it says crit for elysian might, and haste for enduring blow, but doesnt say anything about when running both

[undone pumice]

u can go both

but haste is preferred by fury

[jagged zephyr]

so people go haste so you can swap to fury easier?

[undone pumice]

you can

you can also go split

[jagged zephyr]

ive been taking all the crit pieces

maybe ive fucked up

[knotty atlas]

Mwahi.

[undone pumice]

when do we get

unity pin for pvp

[knotty atlas]

When ever someone provides the adequate information and asks it to be pinned.

[wheat jay]

We used to have two people doing it

[raw summit]

Hey guise where unity

[plush cradle]

[wheat jay]

what are you doing here?

O_O

[plush cradle]

Sorry i got lost

[wheat jay]

#fury here you go, safe travels ❤️

[plush cradle]

Not seen you since nathria tho wtf

[wheat jay]

lmao

[plush cradle]

Is this where you lurk now

[wheat jay]

im a pvp guy now

[flat salmon]

I'm trying to start pvp and i'm having trouble to pick a soulbind for arms kyr which one is better between pelagos and the bird ?

[wheat jay]

got me glad

and swapped mains to survival

[plush cradle]

😳

Nice

[wheat jay]

chucking bombs, making warriors rage

still doing some pve tho

[raw summit]

Bird

[wheat jay]

its a peaceful life

[raw summit]

Although imo necro is a better pick for 2s if thats where ur starting

[flat salmon]

Ok thx

[graceful quarry]

yeah

[knotty atlas]

Yeah.

[fickle forge]

Nice job, getting fury bois out 😎 👍

[wheat jay]

lmao

[undone pumice]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/581284839102218240/827360355097378886/image0.gif

me when hey guise what slot unity

[dark sparrow]

anyone know if there is an ilvl "standard" for what people want to get invited to Normal raid? gonna try bang out some pve for that tier

[vapid ruin]

250

[flat salmon]

what do you guys think of fae and venth as arm ?

[vapid ruin]

not great but venthyr is good for fury

[scarlet barn]

Artji is hunter though

[plush cradle]

[scarlet barn]

Despicable

[wheat jay]

Oi i ain't bm or mm

I play semi-respectable survival, okay?

[scarlet barn]

You play hunter

That enough of not respecting

[raw summit]

Fae is iffy imo

Rando oneshot or zero dam

Nothing inbetween

[mystic barn]

Mm is more respectable than survival lol

[raw summit]

I pref facing mm but being able to pull off surv is a sign of mastery over the game

[warped warren]

more like

sv fucked up

[warped warren]

no

[warped warren]

wrong order tho

[wheat jay]

meh

whatever

;D

[raw summit]

In the end fuck hunter

[fickle forge]

Why is Scooberz on your account?

[mystic barn]

mm rarely runs craven so it’s more enjoyable to fight

tbh

[fickle forge]

Now that's some super DK

[wheat jay]

is there anything enjoyable for dk to fight?

is playing dk even enjoyable?

[grand scaffold]

against warlock mage

very enjoyable

i hit near 2k on it with lfg last season just pugging 2's

i had 247 ilvl

dk is very fun to play

[undone pumice]

with ur 3k friend's alt?

[past jolt]

Dk doesn’t need to play necrotic strike anymore so I can imagine it’s very fun with ranged scourge strike

30 yd range with the talent on scourge strike and you still have necrotic wound with the talent

[elfin surge]

Any fury gamers?

[dense dagger]

fury pretty strong

swapped from arms

[grand scaffold]

nah

legit just lfg

random hpals and rshams and rdru

[warped warren]

stop, im dying of cringe

[elfin surge]

shut up moron

[warped warren]

shut up furry cringer

[elfin surge]

i will destroy you

[warped warren]

play arms or get lost

[elfin surge]

I'm the fury godfather

[warped warren]

fury gayfather

bitch

[grand scaffold]

fury ftw

[jaunty furnace]

fury is dominating the arena

Times change

[warped warren]

surely

[undone pumice]

prot is whats actually domming

haha shield slam go BONK

[elfin surge]

I'm happy both warrior specs are viable.

[wet scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/worldofwar-timeschange-change-garrosh-gif-13230689

[raw summit]

why the fuck do i have to face dh's with 74k hp

[steep inlet]

It’s nothing

[wheat jay]

74k is nothing lol

[steep inlet]

it’s mid stuffed atm

[wheat jay]

i've seen 0 demon hunters below 78k recently

id say its low end rn

[fickle forge]

Go home redbull lover

[quasi rock]

faced a 90k hp ret yesterday, my ass still remembers

[near delta]

I have 77k on fury with mostly last seasons duelist gear on

[raw summit]

i have 74 cuz i suck

[mystic barn]

I faced a dk with 90k hp

lel

[near delta]

Lol

[undone pumice]

whats the highest you guys have gotten in hp number

i had a duelist geared lock pop badge, rally + priest buff to 145khp

• feast of ribs

[sharp meteor]

i haven't the faintest idea actually

[fickle forge]

215k hp

88k base with demon armor + priest stam + 12 stacks of Niya + 20k badge and 51% from my rally

[dark sparrow]

Alright time to spend an hour trying to get into normal pug for some tier on alt

[scarlet barn]

[steep inlet]

[cursive jewel]

What's the best crafting slot for our unity as kyrian arms warr? 🙂

[undone pumice]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/581284839102218240/827360355097378886/image0.gif

[sharp meteor]

idk probably like boots or wrist maybe ring

[fickle forge]

Ring is good to double stack secondaries

[scarlet barn]

Exposed

[cursive jewel]

ty 😄

[sharp meteor]

incomprehensibly cringe

unreal how many locks coming out of the woodwork rn

[scarlet barn]

We call them fotm suckers

[raw summit]

faced dh hpriest

2 flies and res lego

imagine being that insecure

[fickle forge]

Double speared priest+DH not long ago

Both flew up in the air

😎 👍

[earnest epoch]

fury or ARms in pvp ?

[grand scaffold]

haha

[scarlet barn]

You dont get it

We are ones laughing

[grand scaffold]

i know

im laughing at myself

im excited for tomorrow

vault

[earnest epoch]

what stats i focus on with fury in pvp

[sharp meteor]

they both good

[sharp meteor]

haste, but ver also great and mastery is good

or maybe it's like vers haste mastery

but yeah crit bad otherwise u good

[earnest epoch]

which are better for 2's im still waiting to craft my legendary

[grand scaffold]

haste vers > mastery > crit

[grand scaffold]

craft deathmaker btw

on cape

[earnest epoch]

isn't signet better

or deathmaker

[scarlet barn]

Deathmaker when you have 4 set

Otherwise i would run signet till then

Also againt root compa signet isnbetter

Deathmaker neeeds uptime

And 4set feeds it more to give you feedback loop

[earnest epoch]

im gussing u get the set from weekly chest ?

for pvp

[vapid ruin]

ye

and you can craft a tier piece every week starting from next reset

using pvp items too

[rugged swan]

guys i desperately beg anyone to share me waek aura which tells me if holy priest comes back after death and also if possible waek aura for healing totems against resto sham

[mystic barn]

https://wago.io/p8bt2f1uj

[cunning igloo]

Anyone know if that prot warrior 1shot build still works?

[raw summit]

why woudlnt it

[lucid walrus]

just looking for one pertaining to healing tide is all you should need

also no hotfixes dropped so yes it works

[rugged swan]

thanks

[cunning igloo]

Idk blizzard can't let warriors have anything

[rugged swan]

2 days ago i was raped by rextroy, so yes it works

[lucid walrus]

we may see one tonight. never know

[cunning igloo]

thinking about running 2s with my ret pally friend. HoJ into wombo combo

[mystic barn]

Warrior can’t have anything is kinda a stretch

[raw summit]

we had s1

[mystic barn]

s2

[raw summit]

also s2

ye

[cunning igloo]

I still mourn the fury pvp talent we lost going into shadowlands

[lucid walrus]

guillotine?

[cunning igloo]

no, it was a bloodthirst upgrade that removed like all snares and roots and gave you like 30% speed

[lucid walrus]

ah

[rugged swan]

so anyone have that weak aura which shows healing totem is up so i need to kill it?

[cunning igloo]

It was so cracked

[mystic barn]

You could just get mes wa pack

[raw summit]

^

opop

[rugged swan]

found it, will check it out, thanks bro

[raw summit]

imo make the text smaller

its a lot at first

[mystic barn]

I use the og version still

[raw summit]

i reduced text size so i can actually see if shit overlaps