pvp

[nimble jasper]

sub started doing more damage also when people realized to just run nightstalker deeper stratagem

[full quiver]

You don't have to make meaningful decisions as an hpriest lol

You have so many outs and insta full hp heals and insta cc

[wet scarab]

Exactly

[marsh wharf]

what soulbind fury warriors running atm

[native thunder]

Is Haste build for Kyrian arms decent or should I stick with crit build?

[sharp meteor]

Yeah. Maybe.

[earnest wharf]

going death sentence and giving up battle trance isn't worth it for wizards who kite you all day? Lose a lot of steady heals but they tend to kill me over 2-3 sec windows anyway

was thinking about death sentence and impending talent to keep up a lot of heals but able to stick to them better on goes

[full quiver]

Warbringer double time if ur looking for big wiz dam lol

[elfin surge]

I didnt know affi was a healer now

[wet scarab]

Lmao

[simple rock]

bloodrage is a lock in vs mage/survival tbh

[undone pumice]

kek

[simple rock]

slaughterhouse/extended enrage/bloodrage

[sharp meteor]

Oh, yeah, queued into him the other day and he got like under a second of drain off and it topped him from like 20%

kind of upsetting

[elder wigeon]

aff locks are not viable kill targets

[undone pumice]

nothing is a viable kill target

uninstall wow

play minecraft

[sharp meteor]

It was hpal/havoc/aff, and we weren't living through them cycling bops/sacs/dark plus blur

just couldn't quite peel the damage long enough

[elder wigeon]

hpal havoc aff is actually insane

and uninstall tier

[sharp meteor]

kind of an immense amount of damage

wonder if hpal was the play

[rustic geyser]

bro

someone help

im stuck at 1.2k

i just cant manage to survive

how do ppl do it

[sharp meteor]

it's rough out there

[rustic geyser]

no

its not rough, its impossible

i just fucking die man

[sharp meteor]

more gear and run at people harder

[rustic geyser]

ah

thanks, life changing

[sharp meteor]

also 2s is suffering

[rustic geyser]

im duo with a frost dk

i just suffer

[sharp meteor]

fdk/arms? ya that is a rough go

[earnest wharf]

wouldn't fury/fdk work better? you can at least self heal for longer since they're prolly killing you first as arms.

if you run impending, battle trance prolly still die but not as fast lol

[sharp meteor]

my healer and i were capping our fdk and arms playing that ya i told him to run impending because fdk has a few stuns

really though for a more fun time grab a healer and play 3s

[rustic geyser]

well i thinks that one of the problems

ppl just focus me and i die ......

but isnt impending really bad?

[sharp meteor]

Nope.

Unless maybe you don't have a stun.

[undone pumice]

its so weird

impeding was troll for so long

now its acc good

[rustic geyser]

🥲 🥲 🥲 🥲 🥲 🥲

is arms not a that good spot rn?

[undone pumice]

not in 2s

[rustic geyser]

whats up with the chat up there

aa swear down wtf

[wet scarab]

You’re doing twos as double melee without any offheals?

[undone pumice]

its bottom 3 specs in 2s unironically

[wet scarab]

Rip

[rustic geyser]

🥲 🥲 🥲 🥲 🥲 🥲 🥲

[wet scarab]

Why do you hate yourself

[rustic geyser]

man wtf

my mate said fdk and arms is really op

[wet scarab]

I don’t think I have friends I love enough to go through that with them

[rustic geyser]

but we are stuck at 1.1k from 7 8 hours

game spam

[wet scarab]

It is really good … in 3s

[earnest wharf]

with a fdk, i think you go fury. If ur going double dps as arms for some masochistic reason you prolly need like a Ret or Spriest for some utility/heals

[simple rock]

yeah you only wanna play 2s with a healer if you're newish

can make it work with enh, ret, sp, feral

mainly enh

[rustic geyser]

but......

[wet scarab]

At the very least play with a ret or prot who can heal you while you blow up

[rustic geyser]

but doesnt fury suck at pvp

im confused

[wet scarab]

Fury is probably better than arms at the moment in 2s

[rustic geyser]

i used to hate pvp and love pve so much

now its opposite

some things are quite different

[rustic geyser]

🤔

[undone pumice]

its much better in 2s

[wet scarab]

Fury really shines with tier set

[undone pumice]

and a bit weaker in 3s

[wet scarab]

Last season it was garbage

This season much better place partly because of arms nerfs

[earnest wharf]

if you aren't playing with a healer in 2s, fury is 100% better than Arms, and even with a healer it's still prolly 50% better lol

[wet scarab]

Well it wasn’t garbage arms was just superior in every way

Do yourself a favor though and play with a healer

[undone pumice]

it was just worse than arms

and brought nothing unique/ better

however now its big fuckin dick

[wet scarab]

With 2 and 4 pc it’s just a lot more fun

[rustic geyser]

but i have no friends 🥲

[undone pumice]

lfg

[wet scarab]

Find them in LFG

Spam queue and add the people you gel with

Even an LFG healer will take you to 1400 and 1600

All the people I played with to duelist in 2s and 3s were buddies I met in LFG

You’ll meet lots of stinkers and people who flame you and crash rating

But you’ll make good friends and climb

[rustic geyser]

damnnn

my life is ruined :D

i was so dedicated to arms

[earnest wharf]

if you want to stay arms, you and the dk just need to find a healer and that's a legit 3s team to farm with

it'll be way better than what ur currently doing, and faster caps too

[rustic geyser]

hmmm i see

we were thinking about it but

healers are hard to find

[undone pumice]

it is what it is

[earnest wharf]

arms/fdk even if you don't end up getting glad or watever is a fast, easy comp to play and great for just weekly capping

[undone pumice]

or bully the dk into rolling a hpriest

[earnest wharf]

i mean with a healer that is lol

[undone pumice]

frost tsg is good yeah

[rustic geyser]

is arms like insanely bad [ without a healer ] in 2s or fury is just better

[undone pumice]

unholy tsg is rlly good now

[earnest wharf]

any healer + dk/war is an easy cap combo

[undone pumice]

unholy SLAPS with tier

[earnest wharf]

arms is one of the worst specs in 2s with no healer imo

[undone pumice]

arms is pretty bad in 2s even with a healer

[rustic geyser]

i never knew pvp was so addicting and i dedicated so much time into guides for arms just cause he told me fdk arms is op

[rustic geyser]

is it

[undone pumice]

its just not got the bullshit of other classes and is p squish rn

[rustic geyser]

why did i hear so much about it being good, damn

[jaunty furnace]

Imagine thinking fury is the worst spec in the game in 2v2

[undone pumice]

i nobody said that

[rustic geyser]

noone said that here

[undone pumice]

nobody will say that

[jaunty furnace]

This LFG healer I just had was raging

[rustic geyser]

aaaa

ok ok

context

[undone pumice]

he shouldnt say that

and he wont

i will be bombing his house for slander

[rustic geyser]

cant believe im switching to fury

hope u guys are right

[nimble jasper]

@sharp meteor why do rando rdruids

always feed so hard

swear they try to do too much

do at wrong times

and die/fuck up drs because of it

[rustic geyser]

what ratings are yall guys

[sharp meteor]

they watching the epic r1 druids

[rustic geyser]

ignored🥲

[sharp meteor]

2100, 2100 and 2500 on mine

[rustic geyser]

u play fury innit ?

orrrr

[nimble jasper]

@sharp meteor it was 1800 alt games so ig I shouldn’t have expected much but shit

people find ways to throw free wins

The worst is always tauren players who dr warstomp to panic get a dps off them

[sharp meteor]

just arms

[jaunty furnace]

Why do I always lose more points than I gain… win 9 points loose 15-20 and both teams around the same MMR

[nimble jasper]

your mmr is lower than cr

[jaunty furnace]

I see

[nimble jasper]

Which usually means you’re playing with someone alot lower cr

and not winning

[rustic geyser]

ok what?

[nimble jasper]

arms toolkit useful for 3s

[rustic geyser]

im very confused

[nimble jasper]

Not much to be confused by

fury is definitely not full int now cuz of tier but still worse than arms in a 3s setting likely.

[rustic geyser]

but icyveins..

[nimble jasper]

What they said is generally correct?

[sharp meteor]

are we being memed

by somebody posting screengrabs of fucking icy veins

[rustic geyser]

na

im just looking into guides

and wowheads kinda says opposite of icy

WHAT IS THIS

[nimble jasper]

No idea never read a pvp written on either

read pve rotation know how game works

profit

[simple rock]

don't trust wowhead or icy veins pvp guides unless it's specifically written by an experienced pvper

[rustic geyser]

hmm u think so ?

yea this threw me of the guide

[nimble jasper]

thats from the pve part

psure

pvp’s more learning situational info

[jaunty furnace]

Insane that priests in 2s can fly up nonstop

every min

[nimble jasper]

its a min cd

[jaunty furnace]

Yeah it’s dumb

[simple rock]

fade, fly, holy ward

[nimble jasper]

not really you can hit their partner

[jaunty furnace]

vs priest hunter and can’t kill priest

[nimble jasper]

you only kill priest in a stun

if hes not a bot

so

irrelevant

[rustic geyser]

na its pvp

[nimble jasper]

fade is kind of a joke

most hpriest players are fotm monkeys and use it at the wrong time

same with hunters and feign

[simple rock]

I mean most players are not gonna use it perfectly a lot of the time but that doesn't mean it's not an insane cd

vs warr the only time fading is really bad is when spear is coming off cd

[nimble jasper]

not wrong tbh

some players are stupid predictable

[rustic geyser]

anything i should consider into playing fury in 2s?

[undone pumice]

kill

[rustic geyser]

ah....

[simple rock]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fQ0_sNl4t1NIKvEQegpx7r5WH9w8Lnq9/edit

that guide is pretty comprehensive for fury

[sage raptor]

Do I have to be logged in to submit a ticket?

[sage raptor]

Nvm

[rustic geyser]

anyone recommend me a kyr soulbind ? im using palagos rn

[elder wigeon]

mikanikos is usually preferable

[sharp meteor]

Mika every game, take the auto stun.

There are situations where the others may be preferable but just play mika right now.

That stun can and will save you.

[cursive latch]

If I use creation catalyst on a current 262 ilevel base piece (1600 rating), will I be able to upgrade it when my rating increases or the tier piece is locked in at 262 ilevel?

[lucid walrus]

you'll be able to

the item keeps pretty much all its properties iirc

[cursive latch]

Ah ok thanks

[fair canyon]

What is the addon that shows logs previous arena games you've played? matchup/rating etc

[spice burrow]

reflex

[fair canyon]

thxn

[pale talon]

arms or fury in 2s?

[grand scaffold]

i would say arms but fury is good imo

[undone pumice]

fury is good

ndogo rise up

(this time without a 3k healer

[thick reef]

Beat every survival huntards today

Feels amazing

In 2s

[steep inlet]

The one time you could defend properly fury at least

You miss it

Fury > arms in 2s

Atm

[grand scaffold]

i just read on wowhead

that fury isnt good in 2's because of dampening

mb

:/

[sage raptor]

Guides are omegalul outside of what stats to use. Feelycraft is bis in pvp.

[steep inlet]

guides are good, it's made by AWC Players (on wowhead)

but sometimes

they are not updated

[sage raptor]

"Sometimes" he says

[pale talon]

resolve or aegis usefulness in 2s?

[undone pumice]

aegis vs casters

[pale talon]

AYE

[rustic geyser]

mika ? whos mika

[undone pumice]

mikaki kiakkanos

[scarlet barn]

Kek

[rustic geyser]

what auto stun

what?

am i blind

[scarlet barn]

Soulbind

Mika

Blue jewel like

Right side

Cant remember the name

You either take exrra potency, hammer or that autostun

[rustic geyser]

?

[scarlet barn]

Yup

[scarlet barn]

Nah he will wait till inflation again

[undone pumice]

stop bullying him he just joined

[rustic geyser]

is this a fine setup ?

[undone pumice]

ye

[grand scaffold]

breh im dropping warrior till next expansion the class is boring to me

im playing destro lock now

[undone pumice]

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo$

have fun with ur gym maxes withering away

[wheat jay]

didn't you roll mage like one day ago?

[grand scaffold]

i got multiple toons now

[undone pumice]

ndogo becomes fotm andy

[grand scaffold]

mage is somewhat geared

[undone pumice]

the worst way to go

[grand scaffold]

lock is geared

dh is geared

rogue is geared

boomy is next

[steep inlet]

😂

[undone pumice]

actual fotm cumbag

[grand scaffold]

🤣

[undone pumice]

how about you go gear some bitches

[scarlet barn]

Who is toxic now

[undone pumice]

ndogo

[mystic barn]

ndogo these nuts

[grand scaffold]

lmao ndogo means small in swahili

hope you know that

[scarlet barn]

Fits well

[grand scaffold]

🤣

[mystic barn]

thematically correct

[undone pumice]

ndgo smallnutted scum

[grand scaffold]

looooooool

[raw summit]

small refers to the confidence in his class

so he perma rerolls

[grand scaffold]

🤣

[wheat jay]

lol

[undone pumice]

small refers to his gym maxes

[mystic barn]

small refers to his cr

[raw summit]

nah but fr

i think sticking to 1 class for starters is prolly better

[grand scaffold]

whats your cr

[mystic barn]

look me up yourself

Balboa-sargeras

[wispy cedar]

lol you're only 1700

i bet ndogo is higher than that

[scarlet barn]

[grand scaffold]

you ding dong thats my toon

i was 1950 this season

[mystic barn]

oh

[grand scaffold]

lmao

[wheat jay]

1950 isn't rly high

[grand scaffold]

it isnt high

i didnt say it aws

was*

im just waiting for people i know to play wow

lfg is rough atm

[raw summit]

oh like ur rdu "friend"

ye thats fair

[grand scaffold]

i mean

he is my friend

and

i enjoy playing with him

[hushed plank]

I have a question So the creation catalyst is opening up on Tuesday which you can turn 1 piece into tier someone mentioned in another discord that catalyst actually increases in the amount you can turn pieces into tier so the following week it would be 2 pieces then 3 is this true or are they trolling ??

[mystic barn]

I think the wait just gets reduced between each piece

like 7 days then 6 days

[hushed plank]

Oh I see

[jaunty furnace]

Why is 90% of the 2s bracket priest hunter…

[scarlet barn]

I also enjoy playing with people that boost me at the end of season

[grand scaffold]

are you people ever gonna stop this shit about me being boosted

like for crying out load

loud*

dont you get bored

[full quiver]

Aren't u happy

Since fury is viable now

[wheat jay]

No.

[grand scaffold]

haha

that shows a lot

[raw summit]

its good content

[mystic barn]

if wow was more enjoyable at the current moment this wouldn’t be happening

[grand scaffold]

facts

[jaunty furnace]

the game is in such a bad state that people find it more enjoyable to ramble on forums and discord than actually playing xD

[scarlet barn]

I mean you created this situation

Whole skyhold knows

We just enjoying the ride

[jaunty furnace]

who created what lol

[scarlet barn]

Not talking to you

[jaunty furnace]

[jaunty pelican]

Hey guys, how's enh + fury in 3v3? And which healers would be the best bet to pair with us? Friend is coming back and we are thinking of playing this comp

[undone pumice]

turbo good

hpriest is best healer

ingame

so is good

[grand scaffold]

turbo is very good

seems to be quite tanky atm

[jaunty pelican]

And if we can't get a priest, I'm guessing hpal is the next go to?

[undone pumice]

as long as its not disc priest

its good

[jaunty pelican]

I've heard bad things about rsham rn too

[undone pumice]

i mean its bad to have an rsham

because then u have 2 shamans

[jaunty pelican]

Very true

[undone pumice]

but rsham itself isnt bad

[mystic barn]

it’s pretty bad

[undone pumice]

isnt too bad

overall

[grand scaffold]

i mean

supatease says its worst healer rn

[mystic barn]

it’s extremely terrible compared to the meta healers

[wheat jay]

Objectively its bad

[undone pumice]

if ur off meta

it doesnt matter anymore

[mystic barn]

Bringing rsham is off meta

Turbo is meta

Hello?

[undone pumice]

u dont want 2 shamans in turbo anyway

[jaunty pelican]

Playing turbo, what comps should I expect to give us the most trouble, like who counters it?

[undone pumice]

rmp

as always

[jaunty pelican]

How's it fair against jungle?

[wheat jay]

By design should be decent I believe

[sharp meteor]

I'm still not sure how to feel about jungle because their quality varies so widely.

[jaunty pelican]

A good jungle is almost as brutal as a good rmp

[wet scarab]

Rsham isn’t bad intrinsically it’s just their tier bonus is geared for raid and mythic healing

[mystic barn]

Yea but they can’t peel as well if you run down healer as rmp can

[sharp meteor]

Jungle felt pretty good with rdruid but healer swapped to both holys and it has felt okayish.

[mystic barn]

Their healing is also super low right now tho lol

[sharp meteor]

Feral is pretty good about peeling.

[mystic barn]

Yea it is but hunter isn’t

Rogue and mage peel a ton better

[sharp meteor]

Surv is fine, and it's reasonably popular with infinite cleave damage.

[wet scarab]

Remember when arms rsham was meta ;_;

[fickle forge]

Can't relate, out here playing a good game 😎 👍

[jaunty furnace]

[near delta]

This is spec representation above 2100 NA. Looks meta to me

[undone pumice]

3s?

[near delta]

Wayy too few bms so maybe arenamate is messing up lol

Yeah

[sharp meteor]

idk why rsham that high the spec feels awful rn

[undone pumice]

its messed up

[wet scarab]

Purge

[undone pumice]

too few hunters

[gloomy beacon]

Yea looks off

[near delta]

Yeah haha I was looking wait where they at

[wet scarab]

Chain heal spam isn’t that bad in 3s

[gloomy beacon]

Hpriest representation seems low also

[near delta]

Ah it's because they're so diversified now

Between bm/survival/mm

That one spec doesn't really rise to the top

[undone pumice]

ah

[gloomy beacon]

Makes sense

[warm quiver]

Yea literally about to bench my r sham. It feels so bad atm.

[undone pumice]

warrior 10% above 2100

wtf

priest 15% and paladjnn 12% tho

[near delta]

This is all dps specs.

[undone pumice]

warrior op man!

3 button spec can do everything!

[near delta]

I mean mud is like 1/2 of those warriors tbh

[undone pumice]

true

[near delta]

Above 2400

[undone pumice]

its safe to say

theres like 20 warrior players

and they all just have a few toons above 2400

[near delta]

Or maybe people doomsay a bit too hard and were still generally pretty good even though a lot of matchups feel shitty.

[mystic barn]

i think yall doomsay lol

[near delta]

Nerf DK they're OP

[mystic barn]

slappy hands slap

casters def need a look at rn definitely

[undone pumice]

doomsaying is fun

[sharp meteor]

unironically a quarter of those dks are the same guy

[undone pumice]

unironically the same for warr

petkick and mud

[past jolt]

A lot of specs are very good right now

Hard to find one that is completely trash

[undone pumice]

arcane

[past jolt]

I’d wager they’re going to nerf a few things for PvP before winding down for next xpac: WW tier set bonus(we haven’t even seen the full extent of it because many monks still don’t have it), probably some kind of death borne nerf for frost whether it be the conduit that makes it double as long or something else, destro 4 set ( currently not a problem bc very few locks have it) probably something like blasphemy infernals deal 50% dmg in PvP

Enhance is probably going to be nerfed in pve which will trickle into PvP

Holy priest too

In PvP

[sharp meteor]

idk how they nerf frost lol deathborne duration wouldn't rly do anything because it's mostly veins+deathborne that's scary

[past jolt]

Can’t think of more

[sharp meteor]

assa tier

hpriest tier

sepsis conduit

abom limb dam

flayed shot + kill shot procs

survival tier

[past jolt]

Yeah the thing is awc and ladder aren’t currently aligned since rogues are still playing sub probably waiting on tier

But good point

Sv 4 set might be nerfed in general so two birds with 1 stone

[mystic barn]

simply revert or tune down destro chaos bolt pvp dmg increase + remove stun spam from blasphemys

[past jolt]

I think dks being nerfed would be more for ladder than tourney play, so it might take longer. They seem to only react quickly to ridiculous displays of op stuff on broadcast

[wet scarab]

I mean if they were they would have nerfed RMP and frost mage warlock by now

[past jolt]

RMps aren’t winning the na cups

[sharp meteor]

they want rmp to be the best comp

which would be fine but pls make it squishier

[past jolt]

It’s also not been long enough quick for Blizz Is like 2 months

[mystic barn]

remember how it took a full patch to nerf deathbolt

rot class absolutely one shotting people made sense for a whole patch

[sharp meteor]

deathbolt didn't need nerfs lmao

that was a weird change

[mystic barn]

why should a rot class be instagibbing people though

its weird class design

[sharp meteor]

idk because aff kind of sucked

[mystic barn]

so buff affy and not give it a 1 shot?

[sharp meteor]

clips from the depths of people not dispelling and dying were super funni tho

because healers have ptsd and don't know when to dispel vs aff

[mystic barn]

just dispell the soul rot, that was it with the counterplay

[past jolt]

@mystic barn DoTs have gotten progressively weaker as time has gone on in this game. so i think the devs wanted to give them as much single target damage as possible in pvp talents

[sharp meteor]

i mean bolt still almost kills you

but the dumb oblivious unga bungas can just play reactively now

[mystic barn]

im well aware i play a class with dots

[sharp meteor]

just an oddball thing to change like of all the stuff in the game

[past jolt]

I see alot of them running rapid contagion, which is a nice alternative

[mystic barn]

yea they just dropped triple ua last patch

for deathbolt

[past jolt]

that's good

soul rot nice too

[sharp meteor]

they didn't

they generally ran ua

deathbolt was inting

[mystic barn]

deathbolt was inting but thats what all the affis ran right

[sharp meteor]

i don't remember seeing a single aff play deathbolt

unless maybe it was their 5th loss vs us and they were desperate

[mystic barn]

im just saying its super weird class design that deathbolt was insta nuke on a rot class vs something on destro the burst class

[past jolt]

hmm

ok

[mystic barn]

but now destro locks in a super nice spot as the burst class

[past jolt]

there's no place in pvp for "rot" classes or playstyle. hence why the only way you're seeing a high rated affliction lock is when tehy run inevitable demise+drain life legendary+night fae

and tons of haste

[mystic barn]

yea they dont run deathbolt now after the nerf lmao

they do a ton of dmg stacking their stuff up and getting stacks for drain life with lego

[past jolt]

no im saying, the "burst" spec isn't really fair. All dps specs need burst to kill in modern arena

self healing, rando absorbs from borruwed power up the ass makes any non burst spec just unable to kill anything

[raw summit]

Doesnt sp dot tick less than holy priest one now

[past jolt]

idk lol maybe

[raw summit]

At least sw:pain does hit harder for the healers

[past jolt]

wizk said to pikaboo when he tried to runt ricks of the trade that it was not good, sps aren't dps they are 2nd healers with dots

was funny to hear but sad to see

[sharp meteor]

sp players in ruins when they aren't top damage with best defensives as well as utility

tied for best sl caster and it's "why can't i do as much damage as aff"

[past jolt]

i used to love to play feral druid and triple bleed in legion but that playstyle would never work in slands. Which is why you can only get anywhere as a feral druid with the 50% inc dot dmg if they're only on 1 target legendary & necrolord

[raw summit]

Sp seems tanky asf

Well good ones

My cr level of sp implodes

[mystic barn]

sp damage right now seems abysmal

[sharp meteor]

haven't seen wps in a while hm

[mystic barn]

think i watched a vid where an spriest main was saying "might as well play night fae with a rogue with twin PI, to buff the rogue"

[past jolt]

it is pretty bad, you have some decent burst tho which makes you viable when you pair it with all that utility

[sharp meteor]

hmm it doesn't feel that way

[past jolt]

@mystic barn that's what they do haha

they pi rogue

with the leggo

[sharp meteor]

probably the best setup until assa gets its legs blown off ya

[mystic barn]

ye lol

[sharp meteor]

just be cc bot for rogue

[mystic barn]

just rogue things

[sharp meteor]

which is fine

[raw summit]

Anboni?

[mystic barn]

idk the name

[past jolt]

on awc when i looked athe companion they were all doing that

[raw summit]

He's great love the boner

[sharp meteor]

that was probably stahp

[undone pumice]

why dont we

go back to mop

[raw summit]

Ye Boni is more content creator than actual pvper

[mystic barn]

ya was stahp

[past jolt]

Warrior has 2 of the strongest dps specs for pvp right now so most peeps prob don't mind slands

[mystic barn]

the "shadowpriest depression rant"

lol

[past jolt]

in here

i miss warrior mop too tho

[undone pumice]

mop feels good

man

[past jolt]

they should bring elements back for sure

[undone pumice]

gib stances back

rn

[past jolt]

I think fury will be the most oppressive ladder spec in the next few weeks

[sharp meteor]

Idk about that

[warped warren]

xd

[sharp meteor]

RA fury with tier will mog a lot of people though

[past jolt]

nobody has the tier yet

only a few

have the 4 set

[sharp meteor]

like necro RA will just tear through clothies and hunters who don't understand them

[jaunty furnace]

So for the people with 4pc tier sets are you guys doing the one shot prot build? xD

[past jolt]

no

tanks in pvp nooo

nono

[jaunty furnace]

rextroy video of him getting 2k as prot in arena

70k+ shield slams

[past jolt]

tanks in pvp is never a good idea. whenever it's good, it is the most complained about thing

for arena at least

how many globals can you fit into the 3 second reck window the 4 set gives im wondering if the buff has any grace period

to allow u to fit in a second ability since you can't reac to the buff if you're pressing another ability

so i'm assuming you will get it while being on global

[earnest wharf]

ooh tsg just clapped MLX on AWC in under 2 min

[hushed plank]

I got hit with a 70k shield slam the other day . Def sucks

[near delta]

Yeah Keat, Clapper, and Caprise pulled it off

I feel like arms gets an aura buff sometime soonsish.

For pve

[raw summit]

They need like 12%

[uncut mulch]

https://gyazo.com/92fc1d81083f3d1a3c5f322e5e0c003a

[earnest wharf]

good series, close games TSG vs MLX

[raw summit]

Zhan'Cheng apparently chinese for paladin warrior

melee cleave: the team

[sharp meteor]

every other solo shuffle has a prot with 4pc

cringe

[raw summit]

Rextroy better get that nerfed

[uncut mulch]

nope

let me have fun for a bit first

[raw summit]

(the joke here is blizzard ever nerfing anything)

[undone pumice]

[sharp meteor]

wym they nuke a decent bit of cheese

i don't imagine this'll last much past the next few weeks

so a few 1300 players get 1700 and that's about it

[uncut mulch]

no this'll probably get nerfed

we're warriors not warlocks or priests

[undone pumice]

[uncut mulch]

i mean you can literally kill people in one global

probably not ok

[undone pumice]

i mean

thats just a feature?

occasionally you just get dinged through defensives

[uncut mulch]

yeah it's toxic as fuck to play though too

my SS has like 55% crit chance and if it misses i can't ever kill

[rustic geyser]

yooooo

is necro better than kyr for fury ?

im duoing a fdk as well

[grand scaffold]

depends on the comp

with ret warr

necro

with tsg

necro

with most other comps i would say kyrian

[rustic geyser]

im with a frost dk

[grand scaffold]

then maybe necro

but kyrian good too

[rustic geyser]

u sure ?

i kinda dont know

[frank knoll]

Autism level: 9000

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/tzwusa/maldiva_driving_uber_just_randomly_rants_about/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[grand scaffold]

i would go kyrian

just for flexibility of comps

if your friend isnt online

can play with someone else

but

necro is good

VERY good

especially in tsg and ret warrior

[elder wigeon]

Kyrian is commonly played in those comps as well

especially with how popular wizards are

[grand scaffold]

^

[near delta]

Wait you mean you're doing 2s with a frost dk?

[rustic geyser]

but

why does it say 400 mastery

[near delta]

What rating are you?

[rustic geyser]

which should equal around 60% mastery

AROUND

but i have 34 only

with the buff

[wheat jay]

Dr

[rustic geyser]

dr ?

[scarlet barn]

Diminishing returns

[rustic geyser]

ahhh

so how tf is it good ?

[near delta]

It's like a 20% ish damage increase (can't remember exact number at all)

[rustic geyser]

hmmm

idk how thas good

[lucid walrus]

the conduit is big value

20% at max

[near delta]

Yeah

Plus fleshcraft gives you mastery

And everyone and his brother has a way out of spear

[rustic geyser]

lmao

u think so ?

[nimble jasper]

why would anyone do warrior double dps 2s

except with a feral

actual self harm

[near delta]

Yeah

What rating in 2s are you guys at

[sharp meteor]

turb 2s was fun

[near delta]

Cause if it's anywhere near 1800 that's insane

Also

If you are gonna do double dps 2s

Fleshcraft is really nice

For the healing and being a bit tankier

[nimble jasper]

2.1 on main

tried playing my 66k hp alt around 1.9 was rough last night

4 set andy dhs statchecking me

in famous words of bruin “my winratttttttte”

[wheat jay]

Famous last words

[near delta]

Somehow I haven't run into a 4 pc dk yet

It seems overtuned

[nimble jasper]

I did

my asshole hurt

real bad

knew I was in for some deep shit when 82k hp dk

[near delta]

They just kinda stay in demon form

Like wtf

[frank knoll]

Atleast you don’t have to worry about 4 set BM hunters because their set is useless

[nimble jasper]

Any good hunter just plays sv

Sub still cranks even though their 4p isn't used.

[placid rune]

Is arms easier to play to learn the basics of pvp or is fury better because its what more people want to group with?

[finite fox]

as a prot enthusiast i support this

[wheat jay]

Disgusting

And its even more disgusting that shit like this actually went through

[nimble jasper]

double resolve mage lock

exists

[elder wigeon]

destro lock tier set went through

[wet scarab]

Assa 4pc exists

All these things that exist and you can’t do anything to mitigate

At least prot warrior doesn’t have a self heal

Gonna run necro prot 4 pc with first sigil to reset fleshcraft and get 1200 vers

[wheat jay]

Ugh

[deft mirage]

I'd say fury is easier as it has less tools to help the team so you're going to be more focused on yourself. Arms has a lot of utility that can be used to stop enemies setups and such, that might require more gamesense prob

[robust vapor]

did they nerf Shield Slam One Shot?

as a tank

[mystic barn]

frost 4pc feels overtuned, 4pc unholy is kinda gimmicky but if it randomly procs bc no dispell or ur actually in exec range after 5 sec you crank

[wicked bison]

should just disable all 4pc in pvp they all sound broke

[near delta]

DH I meant lol

Not DK

But also yes

[near delta]

So close to getting 2.1 in 2s and it's literally nonstop rogues lol

I had 10 straight sub/assa + healer games

[sharp meteor]

assa into warrior feels nice, they just die

seven second kidney shots hmm

[scarlet barn]

Just dont die

[sharp meteor]

i generally don't they kill my shaman instead

[near delta]

Lol I ran into borngood on his main and beat him and his assa

Then ran into them again and he just aids the crap out of me on mugambala

I've been going for baiting evasion then ra reck and it works pretty well

[near delta]

Don't rsham just kinda insta die into that?

[thick reef]

How is prot for rbgs? Or stick to fury/arms?

[uncut mulch]

prot is currently so ridiculously overpowered that there's probably an emergency nerf coming

(if you have 4set)

[thick reef]

😭

[undone pumice]

4pc prot 1 shots ppl

uhh

arms is probably better in rbgs after nerfs

for target calling and shit

cuz of sharpen

[elder wigeon]

I can't see a scenario where an assassination rogue isn't better than arms for killing specific targets with a big ms

[undone pumice]

yeah

but he eants to play warr does he not?

thats like

[elder wigeon]

4p assassination rogues just vendetta shiv sepsis and they die no matter what

[undone pumice]

bad advertising dude

imagine ppl come to ur store and u tell them oh the guy across the street does it better

[elder wigeon]

nah nobody should be rerolling to warrior rn I'm considering rerolling myself, and I only play warrior

[undone pumice]

warrior is d tier unplayable right guys

[elder wigeon]

No it's B tier but this meta is so garbage and intolerable

[undone pumice]

why is it the highest class above 2100 tho

highest represented

[elder wigeon]

arms only really has a few viable comps that I've seen so far and they're tsg, turbo and ret war

warrior is the most played class

warrior isn't more represented in relation to how much it's played, warrior is as balanced as can be right now in terms of the meta

[undone pumice]

ok but

why dont ppl play th ebroken shit then

[elder wigeon]

they do, why do you think there's a massive uptick in frost mage, demo and destro lock

and holy priest

[undone pumice]

they do but also they dont

[elder wigeon]

lol

[undone pumice]

the wow meta is in the most yesnt state its ever been

well yes but actually no hut actually maybe

[elder wigeon]

it's the most unfun meta I've been in

[undone pumice]

its the only meta ive played mor ethan 200 games in

[uncut mulch]

my only pvp experience is this is the last 6 hours playing prot warrior cheese

[elder wigeon]

I struggle to want to log in and play this season

[uncut mulch]

and yeah idk how anyone actually plays this as a real class that isn't broken

holy priest 2 immunes, resto druid has an immune, warlock is ????????????

[undone pumice]

i dont think a lot of classes are having as little fun as warriors rn

when the meta is literally frost mages

[elder wigeon]

gearing is as unfair and broken as it's ever been, the class balance is all over the place depending on gear, and the resolve and resonator trinkets are ruining the game

[undone pumice]

sounds like wow pvp to me

every expansion

the same variation of

[elder wigeon]

tier sets have never been so important

[undone pumice]

shit gearing
weird trinkets
random ass buffs/nerfs

like blizzard doesnt learn

[elder wigeon]

this is the most unfair gearing, it's not about it being only shit

[undone pumice]

neither do tgey care

[elder wigeon]

I have two set on only 1 of my warriors and it's normal tier set

[uncut mulch]

what is that resolve trinket

[elder wigeon]

echoing resolve

[uncut mulch]

is that why sometimes warlocks are just cc immune for 20 years

[elder wigeon]

yes

[undone pumice]

yes

[uncut mulch]

ok yeah lets get rid of that blizz

thanks

[elder wigeon]

they won't

[undone pumice]

why did they feel the need to add these trinkets?

[elder wigeon]

because they can't redesign locks and mages mid expansion

[undone pumice]

what

[elder wigeon]

and they felt like making them the best they've ever been

[undone pumice]

they werent really struggling tho were they

fire was

[elder wigeon]

yes and no

[undone pumice]

in rmo

and demo was p good right

[elder wigeon]

you're a masochist for playing those classes even now, they're so poorly designed you cannot be sane and play them at the same time

[undone pumice]

well yes

[elder wigeon]

blizzard has just irreparably destroyed all class design since wod

[undone pumice]

by removing stances

ive been playing an mop private server recently unironically

[elder wigeon]

class design just needs reverted to 5.4.8 and all of the sudden the game would not be miserable for people to play

[undone pumice]

and stances are fucking cool

the server is on 5.4.4 tho

[elder wigeon]

5.4.8 was just the last mop patch, not sure what the difference there is

[undone pumice]

i think just minor tuning and hotfixes

anyway u shoukd try the server its p blizzlike and decent pop and pvp focus

[elder wigeon]

warrior was a god in season 12, much like season 1 of shadowlands, but gutted in season 13, season 14 warriors were okay, and in season 15 they were good and very fun, big quality of life changes

[undone pumice]

warrior life cycle

god > gutted > mediocre

i mean warr shoukd get a pve buff soon

seeing as its a shit tier raid class

hopefilly itll afect pvp

[uncut mulch]

uh that's a lot of copium

warrior is fine in pve

[undone pumice]

every class below warr in raid has a better spec to use

[uncut mulch]

fury is one of the best specs in the game sir

https://gyazo.com/cfe1bfabff953c4482f5817c3fb39962

actually

if arcane can do this

while entirely uninterruptible

fuck it

prot is balanced as fuck

[sharp meteor]

they do

holy is like a third of the ladder

[undone pumice]

i forgor

i just assume every game has a holy this point

[near delta]

Yeah the big context for the warrior numbers is theres a billion warriors

[sharp meteor]

it is funny how much more durable assa can feel than arms

alternate vial/feint then cycle through evasion cloak vanish all while stunning somebody for 7 seconds off dr

[undone pumice]

rofue is rhe only class that can wait out its own dr right

[near delta]

Sub and assa never should have gotten disarm imo

[undone pumice]

only rogues should have stealth imo

[sharp meteor]

ferals in shambles

[undone pumice]

when i think stealth i dont think mage or hunter or feral

ok maybe feral

just mby

but not mage or hunter like

????

[uncut mulch]

the fact that i'm playing a spec that can literally kill people in one global

and still being shocked at some of the shit classes can do

either says a lot of about me, or a lot about the game

[undone pumice]

both

[uncut mulch]

[green sleet]

has anyone experienced a prot warriors burst yet?

[uncut mulch]

yeah i've also experienced a bunch of mad nerds whisper me after i do it to them

[green sleet]

aha

its pretty stupid

[undone pumice]

qed into a prot

died in 3 seconds in a bolt through dbts

[uncut mulch]

i'm not even running bolt

extra rage from double time to get your next 4pc is too juicy

https://gyazo.com/c9d47833684918548b2f71afb3430efa

cmon blizz just let me have this

rogues dying after they do 1.7k damage is what your community wants

[lucid walrus]

you can't even disarm them properly right?

it just takes the weapon not the shield

[uncut mulch]

nah disarm works

[lucid walrus]

ah

badass

[undone pumice]

theoretically

hypothetically

and rhetorically

whats stopling u from just equipping another weapon while disarmed

and theoretically

saps icon is a steel club that u bonk someone on the head with

so wouldnt u just

die

[wet scarab]

I need to try out this prot business tomorrow

What’s the rotation like

I have 4pc

[earnest wharf]

is MM still decent in arena or is it all survival now? My son is playing hunter and I wanna try some casual games with my war and some random healer

[grand scaffold]

MM hunter is excellent with the right comps but survival is far stronger in most situations

[earnest wharf]

hunter/war/healer, survival is better?

[grand scaffold]

Yes

but

MM hunter is still playable

[earnest wharf]

cool thx gonna test it out

[grand scaffold]

😄

[grand scaffold]

meh

[spice hornet]

destro can just q with another wizzy and have a much better time

rmp is tough to beat as warr/destro

[near delta]

Kyrian

Why did you have to do me like that lol

[spice hornet]

HAHhahah

GG man 🙂

[near delta]

Was my last game for 2.1 lmao

[spice hornet]

aww im sorry

[near delta]

GG 🙂

Np hpal had a work call and kinda threw lol

[spice hornet]

wouldve let u have it

[near delta]

No way Imma earn it

I was farming trill on his alt rogue earlier thing was hard fought for

Got it! 😄

[spice hornet]

nicee man 🙂 congrats

[near delta]

It was a BM/HPriest on Tol'Viron. Only right lol

[spice hornet]

thats how it usually goes, last win always pout you against the hunter menace

[torn anvil]

hey, i'm new to war and i watch some pvp guides for war, and i see alot warriors use die by the sword and intervene on enemy kill target, why do they do that, why they pop die by the sword ?

[open glacier]

@torn anvil you parry their strikes with intervene

lets say a ret pop wings, it has 2min cd

our DBTS has 1.20 or so, you trade it

and if they focus your partner you intervene them so you can parry some hits, like 20-30k templar veredict

or rogue's kidney/evis

[torn anvil]

ok so i can parry only 1 hit after intervene

[open glacier]

no

[torn anvil]

and i dont soak it

[open glacier]

all hits during intervene

and it last 3 seconds in pvp

[torn anvil]

ooooooo

tnx 😄

i didnt know that

❤️

[cosmic dune]

hey guys i see a mixture of siege vs tormented kings leggo for fury spec. Which should i craft for first timer with fury?

[fickle forge]

You mean Deathmaker?

Would say go for DM

[warped warren]

go DN yea

[grand scaffold]

is fury sp still a viable 3's comp

or not anymore

[steep inlet]

Never been

Arms SP was

[grand scaffold]

what makes arms sp better than fury sp

[steep inlet]

the arms peel for sp ?

It’s massive utility

And the fact arms isn’t focused

So dstance nerf doesnt affect him

[grand scaffold]

so what comps are good for fury right now?

[undone pumice]

how does arms have more utility than fury

just banner?

[grand scaffold]

pretty sure

tbh i dont get the argument for the most part

[grand scaffold]

does anybody have any ideas?

[raw summit]

Banner duel better intervene

[grand scaffold]

but

intervene is the exact same

[steep inlet]

just try to think a little

You pair it with what sometimes

[grand scaffold]

well yeah can parry disarm

[steep inlet]

There is also sharpen on demand etc

[grand scaffold]

yeah but with frenzy you can stack 40% less healing for a really long time

[steep inlet]

on demand

and better

[raw summit]

Arms is more point blank

Also gets to use ip

A lot more

Imo arms remains the better peeler, fury has to be peeled for

[undone pumice]

arms is the better 3s spec

simply accept it

[steep inlet]

no Fury > Arms in certain comps

[undone pumice]

arms versatile

[warped warren]

banner, duel and parry

[wet scarab]

It’s not that arms has better tools for peeling it’s that they are shittier trades for fury. Bolt or self heal that makes you so survivable yourself. Disarm instead of one of the 3 best pvp talents and root break etc

You can have most of the tools arms has but it’s at a bigger cost and it isn’t really in line with the sustain playstyle

[steep inlet]

Yep

[wheat jay]

but you can't frappe mortalle as fury

[grand scaffold]

in turbo cleave is arms or fury better

[vapid ruin]

Prot

[grand scaffold]

what about between fury or arms

[fierce kite]

crit vers best stats for the arms pvp legos?

[raw summit]

Haste vs crit debate

As old as time

[fierce kite]

ah fair, new to this. What would you say is good thresholds of haste and crit to get to?

[raw summit]

There isnt really breakpoints i personally favour haste

[fierce kite]

okay thank you

[warped warren]

haste

[wet scarab]

Haste is life

Means I play the game more

[fickle forge]

Generally, fury's main strength is that it has way more sustain than arms

And man is it single minded

[graceful quarry]

generally fury's main strength is that it can carry another weapon

[warped warren]

generally furys strength is that its furious

[graceful quarry]

and fast

[fickle forge]

And has 9 personalities

[scarlet crown]

currently running kyrian for arena's, thinking bout necro. Suggestions?

[vapid ruin]

try it out,its good

[scarlet crown]

im trying to look any conduit tree i can copy :p

[vapid ruin]

are you fury or arms ?

[scarlet crown]

arms

[vapid ruin]

take the 1st soulbind with the 1st potency and then choose the conduits you want

pins have the most important conduits to use

[warped warren]

?

[scarlet crown]

will try, thaaaanks

[pale talon]

best lego with unity as fury?

in 2s

[grand scaffold]

deathmaker

but signet good too

from what i can tell its personal preference

signet is burst

deathmaker is consistant dmg

[fierce kite]

Is mikanikos the best soulbind?

[uncut mulch]

are frost mages just immune to fear during their retarded skeleton thing

[near delta]

Wait does it actually make them undead?

[uncut mulch]

i don't know

i cast shout on him and nothing happened

[near delta]

Are you sure it isnt the trinket proccing?

[undone pumice]

is trinket

prob

[uncut mulch]

god i hate this season

[undone pumice]

who doesnt

[warm quiver]

They can be CC just not stunned if the ice form during it too

[near delta]

Yeah it doesn't actually turn you undead like lichborne

That would be gross/hilarious against rets and priests.

Shackle undead, turn evil, wake of ashes

[undone pumice]

lmao

[fickle forge]

No

You just didn't watch resolve, most likely

[warped warren]

whould be the case, fucking mages

[uncut mulch]

fuck literally every caster

[near delta]

Even arcane mages?

[uncut mulch]

my teammate got barraged for 69k (nice) so yeah

[near delta]

Lmao fair

[sharp meteor]

dang u bumped into one of the three arcane mages on ladder

even dumbing plays frost or fire now

[wet scarab]

I ran into arcane spriest in 2s

Wasn’t pleasant

Whichever one you go the other will freecast nuke you

[tawny musk]

Feels good to get Duelist against rogues, hunters and locks😍

[sharp meteor]

Arcane is bait, similar to aff/sp

just beat the shit out of the priest

[wet scarab]

Yeah that’s what I did, ate a few really unpleasant arcane barrages though

[raw summit]

Unholy or frost tsg

[sharp meteor]

unholy tbh

[raw summit]

Aight bet cuz i found out i have a DK at 60 with passable pvp gear

So im dabbling a bit with it so maybe i tsg with @undone pumice and a friend of ours

[sharp meteor]

like the pet autism is hard but u don't have to worry about that

getting value off goes as fdk seems a little on the forgiving side for lot of newbie dks what with the grip sleet etc

[raw summit]

I have pet attack pet follow and pet move to bound

Probably gonna have to do something to pet stun rest seems fine